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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-07-12

---Logopened Fri Jul 12 00:00:05 2013
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00:08<cjac>intel cpu with vga driver?
00:08<cjac>I don't think anybody can help you with your vga driver for your cpu
00:09<cjac>maybe we should consult dmidecode to find out what platform you're using
00:09<SamB>cjac: hey, the CPU on the NES has audio
00:09<cjac>well, that's more of a SoC than a CPU, isn't it?
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00:13<SamB>well in the NES the PPU is on a different chip, and the RAM is in yet other chips ... the N2600 could well be an SoC though
00:13<SamB>!n2600
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00:43<ethoms>Debian lover here, new to IRC, is anybody out there?
00:43<Apollo>if you have a question, just ask
00:43<Apollo>if you want to chat, #debian-offtopic
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00:44<ethoms>thanks, just wanted to know how this IRC thingy works, I couldn't see any posts
00:45<ethoms>please elaborate, what is #debian-offtopic for? more informal chat?
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00:46<apm1>ethan, type this "/join #debian-offtopic" without the quotes
00:46<apm1>and press enter
00:46<apm1>ethoms^
00:46<apm1>wrong nick :(
00:46<ethoms>i did it already through gui, but thanks, i'll use command in future
00:47<apm1>ethoms, yeah its the general chatter channel
00:49<ethoms>Great, I wanted to know why nobody responded in another channel #mezzanine, it's a django CMS. I guess it's quiet at the moment.
00:49<apm1>ethoms, talk in offtopic
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00:55<SamB>ethoms: gui is fine too
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02:50<olasd>I'm wondering if there are gcc-4.8 backports for wheezy somewhere? I don' t mind doing it, but if I don't have to I'd rather use the existing packages...
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02:51<olasd>althoug I guess I'll end up in dependency hell
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02:52<jm_>judd checkbackport gcc-4.8 --torelease=wheezy
02:52<judd>Backporting package gcc-4.8 in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libc6-dev-x32 [amd64 i386], libx32gcc1 [amd64 i386], binutils (>= 2.23.52) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.23.52), libcloog-isl-dev (>= 0.18), libmpc-dev (>= 1.0).
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03:25<blackwind>pear os screen and other ubuntu version from 12.04 screen is flickering anyone know why?
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03:26<jm_>!ubuntuic blackwind
03:26<jm_>!ubuntuirc blackwind
03:27<blackwind>?
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03:43<ethoms>blackwind: I think jm_ meant you should join the ubuntu irc chatroom, this #debian, not quite the same thing
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03:43<jm_>ethoms: I asked dpkg to send him a private message afterwards
03:44<jm_>(via /msg)
03:44<ethoms>ok, sorry, I'm new to IRC
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03:44<listen1213>hi
03:45<tahar>hi
03:45<ethoms>hello listen1213
03:45<listen1213>hello
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03:45<listen1213>i want to ask a question
03:45<ethoms>go for it
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03:45<listen1213>do you know the intel CPU N2600
03:46<jm_>atom?
03:46<listen1213>does Debian7.1.0 support the vga driver for it ?
03:46<listen1213>yes
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03:46<ethoms>not particularly
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03:47<listen1213>o,why?
03:47<ethoms>I have a gma 500 in netbook that debian 7.1 kernel doesn't support very well
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03:48<ethoms>but liquorix does, it needs kernell 3.4 and up I think
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03:48<ethoms>"not particularly" as in I don't know the n2600
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03:50<jm_>you can get the driver here apparently https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=21938
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03:50<listen1213>you mean i can build the kernel 3.4 or up in the debian7.1.0?
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03:51<ethoms>@linsten1213 : I'm not sure yet but I think you might finds that the graphics on that is not great on linux
03:51<jm_>yeah 3.4 will work fine, I am using 3.9 with it
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03:52<snogglethorpe>but isn't vga support super generic? I mean, only present precisely because it's a constant thing you can depend on (and for that reason, never chnages)?
03:52<ixi>pretty sure it is
03:52<ethoms>I have a Acer netbook which I can't get decent video rendering or opengl
03:52<listen1213>thank you jm_ ,i will have a look for the site you provide!
03:53<ethoms>if it's like mine, it will probably never work well, but the drver alan Cox developed allows you to use it to some extent
03:54<ethoms>I use my said netbook for browsing in bed, it's fine, but I can't watch films on it, it's that bad
03:54<listen1213>another problem
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03:54<listen1213>ethoms ,why you can't watch film ?
03:54<ethoms>brb, i need to check my netbook model / cpu
03:55<snogglethorpe>it seems like decent video suppport would require something mroe sophisticaed than vga...
03:55<listen1213>watch film on browsing ?
03:55<ethoms>because driver support not good for that graphics chipset, no video acceleration
03:55<snogglethorpe>vga's basically only bitmappp
03:56<listen1213>if you watch movie on net ,make should you install the flashplugin
03:57<Calinou>smart movies use HTML 5
03:57<listen1213>flashplugin-nofree
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03:58<listen1213>how to share file with windows when i using debian7.1.0 in the VM?
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03:59<ethoms>@listen1213: OK, my cpu is intel z520, so what i said may not apply
04:00<ethoms>but according to Arch wiki it uses the PowerVR graphics, not Intel own, which isn't supported by the intel driver
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04:02<ethoms>actually flash is not too bad on it
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04:04<ethoms>@listen1213: do you already own this netbook/n2600 device?
04:05<ethoms>or are you looking to but it
04:05<ethoms>^buy
04:06<ethoms>VirtualBox supports file sharing between the host and guest
04:06<listen1213>our company develop the N2600/2800, IVY chipset Tablet, some custom want it to install the debian7.1.0
04:06<snogglethorpe>hmm... "PowerVR graphics have long been notorious on Linux due to there being no open-source GPU driver"
04:06<listen1213>i am using VM now
04:06<ethoms>you map network drive (drive letter) on windows guest
04:06<Calinou>>intel employee >asks for driver
04:07<ethoms>VM? that's not a brand it's product type
04:07<ethoms>do you mean VMWare
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04:09<ethoms>well, your company better beg Intel or PowerVR to make abetter driver, because it sucks, Alan Cox was kind enough to develop a usable one because intel wouldn't play ball
04:10<musca>!gma500
04:10<dpkg>Poulsbo is the codename of Intel's first System Controller Hub, found in several <netbooks>. Its GMA 500 graphics core is not supported by the intel Xorg driver (ITP xserver-xorg-video-psb, bug #533450). A 2D <KMS> framebuffer driver (gma500_gfx, formerly psb_gfx) was introduced at Linux 2.6.39. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Controller_Hub#GMA_500_Linux_support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#PowerVR_based_chips_on_Linux
04:10<musca>The Atom N2600 integrates the GMA3600 which is also PVR based.
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04:11<ethoms>dpkg: that's the one, i have it. With I never bought the netbook
04:11<dpkg>ethoms: I don't know, could you explain it?
04:11<ethoms>^wish
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04:12<musca>ethoms: don't explain, it's a robot you are talking to.
04:12<ethoms>explain what?
04:12<stderr>"it"
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04:13<ethoms>robot? I'm new to IRC, whats a robot in IRC?
04:13<stderr>Not a real person.
04:13<musca>a program that inserts textblocks on command.
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04:13<ethoms>i get that, but is it for spam, or just to piss people off
04:13<stderr>Neither.
04:14<ethoms>aha, it's a feature
04:14<jm_>it's for *helping* people in this case
04:14<stderr>!feature
04:14<dpkg>A feature is something that a piece of hardware or software is designed to do. Many things that appear to be bugs are actually features. Often, a hardware or software developer will have to make a tradeoff in functionality that causes some undesirable effects. If they are aware of this and accept it, it is not a bug, but a feature.
04:14<jm_>listen1213: which vm?
04:14<ethoms>Oh man, I feel stupid now, LOL, that's a wikd feature though
04:14<stderr>ethoms: For stuff like that ^
04:15<ethoms>so it scans for questions
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04:15<ethoms>whats a m***erf**k*r?
04:16<ethoms>just testing LOL
04:16<ethoms>sorry to be rude
04:18<jm_>you need to address it
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04:19<ethoms>listen1213: what Virtual Machine product are you using? you do realise that it will not test the hardware capabilities at all? the VM emulates it own hardware.
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04:20<listen1213>just using it to comping the kernel
04:20<listen1213>ok,i did't know that ,may be i can using virtual box have a try
04:22<ethoms>VirtualBox will not let you know if the hardware is supported, you have to install debian on the bare metal, e.g. direct to the HDD.
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04:25<jm_>virtualbox has "share folder" feature
04:27<listen1213>OK,i have the test machine beside my working computer.
04:27<ethoms>But unless I'm mistaken, you need kernel 3.4 or above to get the gma500 kernel module
04:28<listen1213>i have install the debian on the machine SDD two.
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04:28<ethoms>Anyway, I'm pretty sure its supported but not 3D (opengl) and no videoacceleration. So it kinda sucks, lots of things slow it down.
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04:29<listen1213>jm_ ,i have donw load the cdv driver from the site you provide,but i don't know how to install it ?
04:30<ethoms>could be wrong , but I think that driver is outdated
04:30<listen1213>i have not used the virtual box before, maybe i can try it .
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04:30<listen1213>better than none!~
04:30<ethoms>try this instead, i think its more up to date: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GMA3600
04:31<listen1213>ok
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04:33<ethoms>you'd be better installing a liquroix kernel, you need kernel 3.5 or higher. Trust me, I spent a lot of time on my z520 based netbook with similar video chip
04:33<jm_>listen1213: it comes with README/INSTALL file, but it's not trivial
04:34<ethoms>jm_: do you know if it works well, I thought it was out of date, look at the arch wiki url i posted
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04:35<ethoms>quote "This means, unleass you run a really outdated system this driver is useless for Arch-Linux"
04:35<jm_>ethoms: I have no idea, that's where I found the URL too
04:35<ethoms>it's out of date
04:36<ethoms>needs old kernel, old xorg, old mesa
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04:36<ethoms>trust me, just use a recent kernel >3.5
04:37<ethoms>and you have to use a fix for the video suspend/resume to work
04:37<ethoms>let me ftry find what i did
04:38<ethoms>it's to do with power management and the keyword is "quirk"
04:39<SynrG>um, ... why are we talking about gma500 wrt the n2600 CPU?
04:40<ethoms>found it!
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04:41<ethoms>make a file called "/etc/pm/config.d/n2600-suspend-fix" and inside needs to be: ADD_PARAMETERS='--quirk-none'
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04:43<ethoms>because it's also made by PowerVR, that's why I said I'm not sure, but the driver may be compatible
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04:43<SynrG>ah
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04:45<ethoms>hmm, according to arch wiki, the gma500_gfx driver I use is for PowerVR SGX 535 but the n2600 is using PowerVR SGX 545
04:45<ethoms>which is likely even less supported
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04:48<ethoms>SynrG: I think your right, I' may be off-track, they are different graphics controllers, different linux support available
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04:49<SynrG>,bug 708479
04:49<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/708479 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64: Intel graphics produces black screen after grub2 menu»; severity: important; opened: 2013-05-16; last modified: 2013-05-16.
04:49<SynrG>this one looks relevant. lists a workaround for 'black screen' a Cedarview user discovered.
04:50<ethoms>But my blank screen on resume fix may be relevant
04:50<roy_>Has anybody installed kernel 3.10.0 on Debian Wheezy? Compiled from source.
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04:50<roy_>I had some lockups with it
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04:52<SynrG>anyway, the implication is that with the wheezy kernel (i.e. doesn't need to be newer, as you suggested) this user was able to make it work (with the workaround applied)
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04:54<listen1213>ethoms ,thank you
04:55<listen1213>may be i should using the new kernel to comping and install it to the debian 7.1.0
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04:55<listen1213>i also met the s3 return with the black screen issue
04:56<SynrG>why not just follow the advice of the bug# i pasted above?
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04:56<listen1213>wait ...
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04:58<listen1213>dear SynrG ,how to deal with it ?
04:58<listen1213>708479?
04:58<roy_>Anybody have experience with kernel 3.10.0 and KVM on Debian Wheezy?
04:58<SynrG>listen1213: that's the one, yes. did you read it?
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04:58<ixi>roy_ wheezy has 3.10 kernel ?
04:58<ixi>o_O
04:59<SynrG>obviously not. he said he compiled it from source
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05:00<roy_>no 3.2.something
05:01<roy_>I compiled from source
05:01<roy_>But I had some crashes with it
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05:01<listen1213>Reading it...
05:02<SynrG>roy_: what problem are you trying to solve by using a 3.10 kernel?
05:03<roy_>I thought I had read somewhere that KVM got some important updates somewhere between 3.2 and 3.10; thus I wanted to try that
05:03<roy_>but I can't find that article anymore
05:03<roy_>and I had some annoying messages in the log with a new server
05:04<roy_>about package power limit'
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05:04<listen1213>Hi,SynrG,the 708479 i have read it, it is open state now. how to deal with it
05:04<listen1213>?
05:04<ethoms>listen1213: did you get it the intel driver to work?
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05:05<listen1213>no ,i don't know how to install it?
05:05<SynrG>listen1213: the bug reporter writes: "Adding "video=LVDS-1:d" to
05:05<SynrG>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=, seems to resolve the issue"
05:06<SynrG>you would need to run 'update-grub' after that
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05:07<musca>roy_: i'd say you better ask in #debian-kernel , but you need to provide much more than "I had my locks up"
05:07<musca>lockups
05:07<roy_>musca I know i have to provide more, but wouldn' want to spam this window ;-)
05:08<roy_>wouldn' = wouldn't
05:08<SynrG>roy_: and in any case, i would use a debian kernel on a production server if i were you.
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05:08<roy_>SynrG: why not? are those kernels bad?
05:08<roy_>I thought they patched it up quite good
05:09<roy_>and you have apt support
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05:09<ethoms>SynrG: interesting, that bu report you posted seem to mention gma 500, is it for the SGX 545 or the 535. I wonder if they use the same driver?
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05:10<SynrG>roy_: you are certainly free to use whatever you want. but since you're asking for support, and you're not using a debian kernel, i thought i'd mention it.
05:10<SynrG>roy_: with a debian kernel you can file a bug on it with debian, and ask #debian-kernel for support, etc.
05:10<SynrG>otherwise, see upstream
05:11<listen1213>SyncG: I can't find the resolution you said!
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05:11<ethoms>roy_: have you tried liquorix kernel, I find them great. But i try to stick to debiabn stable kernel if i can.
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05:12<SamanthaD_>Is there a reason why the block devices in /dev/mapper are world writable?! (and readable)
05:13<roy_>SynrG: I thought you said that I should NOT use a Debian kernel.
05:13<roy_>I rather stick to a debian kernel as well.
05:13<SynrG>roy_: do you see the word "not" above? :)
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05:14<roy_>no, but I misread it
05:14<roy_>that's why I explained myself
05:14<roy_>sorry
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05:14<listen1213> SynrG:I find the place you said ,i will have a try!~
05:15<SamanthaD_>Oh god... they're only simlinks >.<
05:15<peter1139>SamanthaD_, they're symlinks
05:15<peter1139>oh
05:15<SamanthaD_>Sorry for the bother y'all
05:15<peter1139>:)
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05:15<SynrG>roy_: anyway, that's why i asked if you had a specific issue ... so long as a stable kernel upstream has a patch for whatever you want, if you're using a debian kernel, you could see if that patch could be applied to whatever debian kernel is current. now, with the much newer stuff you *may* need to wait until there is a backport made for wheezy, but ...
05:15<SamanthaD_>peter1139: I ls -l'd the directory and literally whimpered, followed by a panic.
05:15<SynrG>roy_: so far you've been a bit vague on the details :)
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05:16<ethoms>roy_: sorry if i missed it, but what is not working with the debian kernel in repository? What's the reason to use a newer kernel?
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05:17<SynrG>ethoms: he mumbled about "important updates to kvm" and "some annoying messages in the log" and i haven't gotten any more out of him :)
05:18<ethoms>OK, I don't know anything about KVM
05:18<Stonecold2k>I have a short question. We use here kfreebsd with zfs. And we have the problem that the kernel get "kmem_map too small" when we copy a lot of files. I have read that this is a problem. Can anybody tell me how to solve this problem or where i can set the vms.mem_size under kfreebsd?
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05:19<roy_>SynrG ethoms: Like I said, I had some irritating log messages (a lot) about package power limits which are fixed in a later kernel, and I've read somewhere that somewhere between kernel 3.2 and 3.10 KVM got performances and other updates
05:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 580] by debhelper
05:20<ethoms>Stonecold2k: on FreebSD, that would be in /boot/loader.conf or /etc/sysctl.conf
05:20<SynrG>roy_: let's assume for the moment that you can afford to wait for the kvm updates and your real problem is those annoying log messages ...
05:20<roy_>I have now running a self compiled kernel 3.2.48 without those power messages
05:20<listen1213>SynrG: still can not work
05:20<SynrG>roy_: if you can find a patch accepted in an upstream kernel you could file a bug on the wheezy kernel
05:20<roy_>that runs fine
05:20<SynrG>listen1213: you ran 'update-grub' after editing /etc/default/grub to add that parameter?
05:21<roy_>SynrG: yes I know, I have found that, but I don't know the exact cause and solution. Thus a bug report would be very general I think
05:21<listen1213>not using the update-grub yet
05:21<roy_>and further I was just trying to compile kernel 3.10
05:21<SynrG>roy_: so do a bit more research? search git commit msgs upstream, etc.
05:21<listen1213>i will try it now
05:22<roy_>and maybe somebody here already had some experience
05:22<roy_>it is all part of the research ;)
05:22<roy_>I'm not expecting a solution of all my problems here and now ;-)
05:23<Stonecold2k>ethoms: Right but i can't find both files under kfreebsd.
05:23<ethoms>Stonecold2k: I run FreeBSD, I had a lot of problems with ZFS until i discovered the setting vfs.zfs.arc_max . It is not stated enough how important it is. Give it only the amount of RAM you can spare.
05:23<SynrG>well, dropping in here and asking if "anyone" has used 3.10 is hardly research ... it's a bit ... random
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05:23<listen1213>how can i using the update-grub ?
05:24<SynrG>as root, type:
05:24<SynrG>update-grub
05:24<listen1213>just type the 'update-grub'to the shell
05:24<roy_>SynrG: It's the start of a conversation?!
05:24<listen1213>OK
05:25<ethoms>Stonecold2k: for example; if you have 8GB, maybe set it to 4GB. I had to calculate my sysv semaphore alocation and take it into account. If you don't the server will run out of RAM and lock up.
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05:25<roy_>I hoped to find somebody which had experience with KVM and a new kernel on Debian Wheezy
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05:25<SynrG>roy_: well, we've had the conversation. i think you need to look at git commit messages upstream to find your specific issue to fix the annoying log messages ... you should be able to think up some unique enough search terms to find it ... then file a bug on the wheezy kernel to patch it. when you take a stable system and change to a whole new, not-yet-backported kernel, you are allll on your own for fixing problems ...
05:25<SynrG>roy_: which is why i wouldn't do that on a production server.
05:25<listen1213>still not working ,should i restart my machine?
05:26<roy_>The server is not yet in production. Just testing things. And about the power package limit I already found a lot of info.
05:26<peter1139>https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=29e9bf1841e4f9df13b4992a716fece7087dd237
05:26<SynrG>on the other hand, if it's not a critical problem, i have my doubts if you could get that into a point release :/
05:26<musca>listen1213: what error message do you get?
05:26<roy_>But the crash with KVM, I couldn't find anything abou
05:26<roy_>t
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05:27<SynrG>crash? i thought it was just performance improvements.
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05:27<SynrG>first time i've heard you mention a crash with kvm
05:27<listen1213>after doing the update-grub ,i can 't going the the system now
05:28<roy_>peter1139: that's one of the messages about it
05:28<roy_>not yet backported to stable
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05:28<listen1213>after the grub UI,just can see the black screen
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05:28<roy_>Newer KVM has some improvements I just wanted to try out
05:28<roy_>but with the new kernel it crashed when running KVM
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05:29<SynrG>listen1213: at the grub prompt, you can edit the parameters to undo the change you made. that will only be temporary for the next boot.
05:29<SynrG>listen1213: once you've booted, edit /etc/default/grub again, and update-grub again, to undo what you did.
05:29<SynrG>that will permanently undo the change
05:30<roy_>And sometimes I get a message about a unhandled wrmsr
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05:31<musca>those messages mostly are just warnings, WRMSR—Write to Model Specific Register
05:31<roy_>Therefore I asked if anybody had experience with the combination
05:31<luca_>Shaun... i am afraid we are not going to get less error on the log... :(
05:31<SynrG>roy_: you might see if that log message patch applies to 3.2 and just try building a patched 3.2 ...
05:31<roy_>musca: The kernel locked up afterwards
05:32<SynrG>roy_: and just wait on the kvm thing, since it seems that is not yet 100% ready ... (also look for any bugs filed upstream in the kernel bug tracker about that)
05:32<roy_>SynrG: I compiled 3.2.48 from source. That fixed it already, and that runs as well without problems
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05:35<roy_>peter1139: Is this patch accepted in the kernel? How can you see that?
05:36<SynrG>listen1213: it appears that this workaround is just to ensure an external monitor is selected (by disabling the default LVDS1 output) ...
05:37<SynrG>listen1213: read the full article that the bug# links to: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/13667
05:37<SynrG>listen1213: if that's not your specific problem, it's not going to help.
05:38<SynrG>listen1213: your system is a tablet, you say? so in that case, LVDS1 would be the primary display, and of course if you disable it, it's just going to give you a black screen. :/
05:39<SynrG>listen1213: what specific problem do you have with debian 7.1 on this hardware? i think i've lost track.
05:40<SynrG>anyway, please excuse me. i have to get to work. later
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05:40<listen1213>just go back from the black screen
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05:40<peter1139>why... is evolution complaining about GLX? :S
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05:41<peter1139>trying to run it remotely over ssh -X. *sigh*
05:41<SynrG>peter1139: ah, fun.
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05:42<peter1139>back when X did more stuff, it was simpler :S
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05:42<peter1139>now it seems all the toolkits just blast pixels around :(
05:43<peter1139>i guess it wasn't as good for wobbly windows :p
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05:52<ethoms>listen1213: I strongly suggest to try a newer kernel. 1.) if broken, re-install debian 7.1, 2) Download smxi, run it as root, and follow question. 3) install liqurix kernel, try latest, then try 3.7.x. They may just work.
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05:53<ixi>3.9 kernel is in unstable
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05:53<ixi>just saying ...
05:54<ethoms>listen1213: for me, I gave up trying to fix on kernel 3.2, liquorix kernel 3.7.10 worked without any other tweaks.
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05:59<musca>ethoms: that was bad advice. Kernel 3.7.10 is EOL and gets no security updates
05:59<musca>using smxi renders any other support option useless.
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06:03<cibegtd>hi
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06:04<cibegtd>i'm wondering to change from gnome to awesome. how is brightness adjustment in awesome?
06:04<listen1213>hi ethoms,
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06:04<cibegtd>does anybody have experience with awesome and laptop brightness?
06:05<listen1213>the OnscreenKeyboard ,do you familiar with it ?
06:06<listen1213><cibegtd> what do you want to do with laptop brightness?
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06:07<ixi>cibegtd I think the way you adjust backlight level ("laptop brightness") is through sysctl
06:07<cibegtd>i don't know the brightness keys work fine in awesome
06:07<ixi>and has nothing to do with window manager, at all.
06:08<cibegtd>ixi: all right, thanks, i'll looking for more info about sysctl
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06:09<ethoms>musca: yes, but he is just trying to get it to work ata ll at the moment. I'm not saying he should stay on it. It's a netbook anyway, not a server.
06:09<ixi>cibegtd look in directory /sys/class/backlight/
06:09<ixi>all the backlight-relevant stuff is there
06:09<ethoms>to work at all^
06:09<listen1213>your machine is tablet ,notebook?
06:09<cibegtd>ixi: thank you!
06:09<ethoms>mine is notebook, but with z520 using the gma500 kernel module (driver)
06:10<cibegtd>listen1213: i've got an acer ultarbook
06:10<cibegtd>listen1213: * ultrabook
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06:12<ethoms>listen1213: i meant netbook
06:13<listen1213>i just know that backlight is controlled by EC/BIOS on hardware,the OS i am not familiar !
06:13<ethoms>I don't use on-screen keyboard, don't have touchscreen
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06:14<listen1213>our tablet can support touch on the Debian now after i modify the kernel
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06:14<ethoms>knowing linux, there is probably a command to control backlight LOL
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06:16<jm_>i thought sometimes those keys are not handled by linux at all
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06:16<ethoms>listen1213: so have you got it working? I thought you couldn't boot into X, now you say it supports touch.
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06:18<listen1213>but the i want to use the screen keyboard,how ever the system Screen Keyboard can not be activated when you are logining on,so i can't enter the passwd.the same thing happened when i need to enter the passwd of the wifi.
06:20<SynrG>hm. ok. we never got a problem statement before.
06:20<ethoms>Yep, most linux distros not designed for tablets. The latest Plasma Active by KDE devs would be the best way to go. Or perhaps Ubuntu Touch.
06:20<SynrG>but how is that related to the display driver, then?
06:20<SynrG>i'm confused.
06:20<listen1213>i can boot into x window,i can touch the UI and click the app in the OS
06:20<ethoms>so am, very confused!
06:21<ethoms>are we still talking debian 7.1
06:21<listen1213>o ,anther problem.
06:21<listen1213>GynrG
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06:21<listen1213>yes
06:21<listen1213>Debian 7.1
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06:21<ethoms>I didn't see you mention you got the display to work, let alone how
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06:22<ethoms>how did you getit to boot to X?
06:22<ethoms>get it^
06:23<listen1213>it's time for supper!
06:23<listen1213>chatting latter!~
06:23<SynrG>well, i guess we're left in suspense, then.
06:23<ixi>haha
06:24<listen1213>hehe!~
06:24<SynrG>ethoms: #708479 implies the driver works fine in the wheezy kernel. it's just that this one guy (with an ITX board) had black screen due to the chipset defaulting to LVDS1 even when the device didn't have one. his workaround was simply to disable LVDS1
06:24<SynrG>in the case of the tablet, we don't have that problem.
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06:25<SynrG>ethoms: *you* proposed he'd have problems with it when he started his inquiry, due to your prior experience with the similar gma500 ... i never got a problem statement from him, though.
06:26<SynrG>all he asked is if debian 7.1 supports it. period.
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06:28<SynrG>oh, and later:
06:28<SynrG>05:55 < listen1213> i also met the s3 return with the black screen issue
06:28<SynrG>i.e. black screen after return from sleep
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06:48<PedroLucas>I never used IRC before, how I see the people online on a channel?
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06:48<daemonkeeper>All 572 of them?
06:48<PedroLucas>bah, ok, i now have dimensions of the thing
06:49<PedroLucas>so... i need help ._.
06:49<daemonkeeper>!help
06:49*daemonkeeper kick dpkg
06:50<PedroLucas>!help
06:50<themill>just ask
06:51<PedroLucas>I just had installed whezzy, 7.1, without interface, them i put gnome
06:51<PedroLucas>wheezy*
06:51<daemonkeeper>What's the factoid I'm looking for themill?
06:51<PedroLucas>them i downloaded the official firefox, cause i dont like so much the iceweasel
06:52<mgv>daemonkeeper: ask
06:52<PedroLucas>but when i ./firefox, on the directory with firefox binary, it says No such file or directory
06:52<melmothX>PedroLucas: you picked the wrong arch
06:52<PedroLucas>yeah, i know
06:52<daemonkeeper>mgv: Ah. Yes.
06:52<PedroLucas>but and the "multiarch"
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06:53<melmothX>you're don't have the needed libs installed
06:53<blast007>PedroLucas: why don't you like iceweasel? it's basically just firefox with a different name and logo.
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06:53<PedroLucas>i already read that on a forum, the thread terminated with a discussion firefox vs iceweasel ._.
06:53<PedroLucas>and no answers
06:54<melmothX>PedroLucas: it's just a matter of branding
06:54<PedroLucas>but... sure is the libs?
06:54<melmothX>do you have, e.g. libc6:i386 installed?
06:54<PedroLucas>i will try
06:54<jm_>if you want a newer iceweasel you can get it from http://mozilla.debian.net/
06:54<melmothX>and please go with iceweasel, you will save a lot of headscratching for no reason at all
06:55<melmothX>!multiarch
06:55<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
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06:56<peter1139>so why would evolution be needing GLX anyway? :S
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06:57<PedroLucas>bah, thanks anyway.
06:57<peter1139>hmm, clutter or something
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06:58<PedroLucas>and... if iceweasel open, is because all the libs are here, and working. firefox = iceweasel. so, why firefox does't open with this ridiculous output (No such file or directory), and iceweasel open ok?
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06:59<PedroLucas>And sorry by my bad english, I am danish but lives since my 2 year old in São Paulo, Brazil
07:00<blast007>because iceweasel automatically has its dependencies installed by the package manager. firefox isn't a debian package, so no dependency tracking.
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07:02<PedroLucas>but teoritecally, the libs of firefox and iceweasel as the same. Iceweasel came whit Gnome, and if Iceweasel is working, all the dependencies was here... and... WOW, FORGET, all the amd64 dependencies, the firefox downloaded from mozilla.org is i386 ._.
07:03<blast007>just use iceweasel
07:03<mongrol>iceweasel is better
07:04<PedroLucas>but... but...
07:04<PedroLucas>*searching arguments*
07:04<mongrol>and the world keeps turning
07:04<mongrol>and we all keep getting older
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07:04<listen1213>SynrG:on line ?
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07:05<PedroLucas>anyway... the "No such file or directory" error when the binary doesnt have the libs (I tried with SeaMonkey too, said the same), is a bug, right?
07:05<cibegtd>ls
07:05<cibegtd>ls
07:06<cibegtd>sorry
07:06<stderr>PedroLucas: The mozilla people don't want Debian to call it firefox if Debian patches security bugs in the code. Therefore Debian has to call it something else, hence iceweasel. It's the same thing + security fixes. You want iceweasel, not firefox.
07:06<jm_>PedroLucas: depends, if you mean bug in the administrator of the machine, then yes, otherwise not
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07:07<mongrol>thats not quite right
07:07<mongrol>its to do with the trademarks around the firefox logo and title
07:07<PedroLucas>yeah, i know ._.
07:07<themill>mongrol: and the reason for the trademark dispute was code patching
07:07<mgv>mongrol: trademarks and patching, not just trademarks
07:07<mongrol>therefore, iceweasel is better since it is more free
07:07<PedroLucas>anyway, they win, i will put flash and java on iceweasel and kept with it
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07:11<PedroLucas>but about the "No such file or directory" error, probably is a bug of the system, look: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/150956_216453811839516_494062564_n.jpg
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07:12<daemonkeeper>Rather wrong arch.
07:12<stderr>World writable? Oh, dear...
07:12<mgv>it's not a bug
07:12<mgv>it's the lack of libraries
07:12<mgv>PedroLucas: ^
07:12<PedroLucas>yeah, i know, but, the message should be another
07:12<PedroLucas>and the message was send by bash
07:12<PedroLucas>or no?
07:13<jm_>no
07:13<Apollo>no
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07:13<PedroLucas>let me think... i call firefox, firefox call a librarie, bash said not found for the library, firefox return the error of the bash
07:13<PedroLucas>is it?
07:13<PedroLucas>so, is a bug of firefox?
07:14<stderr>I wouldn't be surprised if "./firefox" is a bash-script...
07:14<mgv>no
07:14<PedroLucas>if is that, ok, i get it
07:14<stderr>file firefox
07:14<stderr>But anyway... Use iceweasel and forget about it.
07:15<PedroLucas>firefox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0x6341df16e612bca0dd420cfb7ff9df54bfdb4987, stripped
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07:15<mgv>as expected, a 32-bit executable
07:15<PedroLucas>yeah, i know, mozilla dont release amd64 binarys
07:15<mgv>so, use iceweasel which does :)
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07:16<PedroLucas>ok, i will use it, i am only trying to understand this message that says nothing ._.
07:16<mgv>PedroLucas: I think it says that the 32-bit loader is not found
07:16<babilen>PedroLucas: fwiw, I would recommend to use Iceweasel -- You can get the newest releases, esr, alpha and aurora versions at http://mozilla.debian.net -- That way *you* don't have to deal with these pesky problems and get a well integrated browser on Debian.
07:17<babilen>PedroLucas: It is trying to load a library that you haven't installed (for the right architecture)
07:17<PedroLucas>anyway
07:18<PedroLucas>i have another problem here: the autocomplete with tab, isnide apt-get commands, is not working ._.
07:18<PedroLucas>on the tty it work
07:18<babilen>PedroLucas: As it cannot find that library it gives you "No such file or ..." -- A look at "ldd /path/to/firefox" would corrobarate this
07:18<PedroLucas>but on the terminal, not
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07:19<PedroLucas>ah, ok
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07:20<babilen>PedroLucas: Configure your shell in such a way that bash_completion is enabled. I would assume that it boils down to some problem related to login vs non-login shell and the way in which you enabled bash_completion. As it works in a login shell you probably have enabled in ~/.*profile but not in ~/.*bashrc
07:21<PedroLucas>I will check this files, thanks
07:21<babilen>PedroLucas: It is customary to use a ~/.bash_profile such as http://paste.debian.net/15698/ and then configure everything in ~/.bashrc -- I, naturally, assume that you are using Bash and not some other shell.
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07:22<babilen>PedroLucas: In particular you want something like: https://paste.debian.net/15699/ in your ~/.bashrc -- You should be able to "enable" bash completion in your current terminals by running ". /etc/bash_completion" -- if that works you simply have to make sure that this is executed by default for non-login (i.e. interactive) shells.
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07:23<babilen>PedroLucas: I'd recommend to read bash(1) and specifically the section labelled "INVOCATION"
07:24<greenit>hi, i have installed iptables, accidentally restricted the whole input, rescued the system (chrooted and purged iptables) and now it is running.... however, when i reinstall iptables, are the policies re-applied or are they reset?
07:25<greenit>it's a virtual server in the web, that's why i had to chroot
07:25<PedroLucas>babilen:Thanks
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07:29<babilen>greenit: iptables does not save/load/restore/ .. any rules by default. It is entirely up to the system administrator to implement a mechanism for loading rulesets. A common approach to this is to tie in the loading of particular rulesets to the activation/deactivation of specific interfaces. This approach is detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/iptables
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07:30<babilen>greenit: The way this works is that you use some way to configure your firewall (it really doesn't matter if you do this manually or if you write a script or ...) and then save the entire ruleset to a file. You would then only load that ruleset (as an atomic action) and you wouldn't run a script with iptables commands or something like this everytime you activate the firewall.
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07:31<babilen>greenit: I would also recommend to take a look at http://inai.de/links/iptables/ and read the article called something along the lines of "towards the perfect ruleset" -- What do you require your firewall for?
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07:34<greenit>babilen, thx for the info :) i have an openvpn-server and wanted to prevent one subnet (7.7.7.0) to connect to anyone on the other subnet (7.7.6.0)
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07:37<babilen>greenit: fair enough - I guess the wiki article covers the Debian side of things and I would refer you to ##networking or #netfilter on irc.freenode.net for further discussions about the implementation of that policy.
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07:58<PedroLucas>back, i trid put the content of that paste on a .bashrc on ~/. it works, i now have autocomplete inside apt-get :D
07:58<PedroLucas>thanks, babilen
07:58<PedroLucas>\o
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07:59<jm_>i thought it's enabled by default and quick test shows it is
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08:04<PedroLucas>on squeeze it was, now i upgraded to wheezy and i only had autocomplete inside apt-get in the tty, in the "Terminal" is does't
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08:04<PedroLucas>anyway, its working now
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08:05<jm_>probably the bashrc/profile thing then
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08:21<peter1139>argh, can't run this via vnc4server either :(
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08:33<EmleyMoor>What's the best way to tell before buying if a Wireless card is compatible with Debian? (and can act as an access point)
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08:33<jm_>check the wiki.debian.org/WiFi page?
08:34<jm_>but it's often hard to translate product name into driver/chipset info it uses
08:35<EmleyMoor>Ah, there you find the actual nub of my question...
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08:36<abrotman>EmleyMoor: google the product ID best you can ..
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08:40<ayaka>I want to share a canon printer which uses foo2capt driver via samba, but I got https://paste.debian.net/15715/ , when I use a windows to print
08:41<ayaka>here is my config of smb http://paste.debian.net/15716/
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08:42<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Found one that uses the wl driver but no idea how to tell if it can be "master" - and can it work on both bands at once?
08:42<abrotman>that i can't answer for you
08:43<EmleyMoor>Other one I looked at had a Ralink chipset but not one listed on the wiki
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08:59<Theor>Hi. I renamed my LVMs to more explicit names, edited my fstab to reflect the changes, ran update-grub, and yet my system won't boot anymore.
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09:00<Theor>Grub goes to rescue mode, from where I can set prefix and root=, which loads stage 2 properly. the grub.conf is OK, it will start once it's there
09:00<Theor>so the problem seems to be in stage 1 which keeps looking for the old LVM. any idea what's wrong?
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09:17<musca>hi Theor
09:17<musca>!fixmbr
09:17<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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09:19<Theor>thanks muska
09:19<Theor>i already know how to recover grub and to use the rescue mode. once i set the proper prefix and root, it finds the stage 2 and boots successfully
09:19<musca>Theor: i see no hint for separate boot partition, be careful
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09:20<musca>ok
09:20<Theor>what puzzles me is that I did both a reinstall and a update-grub, and stage1 apparently still look for the old LVM ("no disk found. rescue mode")
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09:21<Theor>note : fstab set up accordingly. still a little issue with my swap as i didn't recompile the initrd. not the problem though, because it happens at stage1, before it reads the initrd (AFAIK)
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09:50<david_>Hey. Does anyone know a cheap Arduino SBC with wifi?
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10:48<zumbi>david_: that runs debian, no
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10:48<zumbi>david_: otoh, dreamplug is nice option
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12:04<wwu>simple pool, for productivity (coding mainly) what window manager do you use ?
12:05<wwu>poll
12:05<wwu>:)
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12:14<R>ist wer da ?? hier eine neuher
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12:14<R>my english big desaster i serch a german speack...
12:15<doubledutch>!de
12:15<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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12:16<wwu>!de
12:16<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
12:16<wwu>!fr
12:16<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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12:17<wwu>nice :)
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12:17<babilen>wwu: Please /msg the bot -- "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" ← will tell the bot to tell you about itself. :)
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12:21<wwu>he is funny
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12:26<petn-randall>wwu: I think you mean 'it'.
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12:27<babilen>petn-randall: I am no it!
12:27<babilen></haha>
12:27*petn-randall o.O babilen
12:27*petn-randall ^.o babilen
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13:02<anddam>hi, out of curiosity why is http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ngspice only in amd64 and not in i386?
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13:03<anddam>where would I search for such an info?
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13:03<anddam>oh, the irony #558106 ngspice: architectures other than i386 not supported
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13:04<retrospectacus>,v ngspice --arch i386
13:04<judd>Package: ngspice on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 20-1
13:04<retrospectacus>,v ngspice --arch amd64
13:04<judd>Package: ngspice on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 24-1; sid/non-free: 24-1; wheezy/non-free: 24-1
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13:05<retrospectacus>I guess they switched
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13:07<anddam>they who?
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13:07<anddam>Science Team or upstream?
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13:13<retrospectacus>anddam: the science team, I guess. Their site seems to indicate it will compile on both archs. You can add your voice to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653103
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13:14<anddam>retrospectacus: seems so, I doubt it wouldn't build on i386 and ubuntu packages list has it for both amd64 and i386
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13:16<themill>anddam: The maintainer needs to either request that it be built for extra architectures or built it himself at the same time
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13:18<barsa>olaaaaa
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13:19<ev>after many years later
13:19<ev>hi again dudes.
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13:20<anddam>let's see if I can compile it from source, I'm not very familiar with apt and sources build
13:20<alt0na>:)
13:20<anddam>build-dep and then -b source should do the job, right?
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13:28<Obermacker>suche fachbuch zu sambaserver vür anfänger
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13:28<retrospectacus>!de
13:28<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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13:40<Yoel>Hy all
13:40<Yoel>okay
13:40<Yoel>my problem
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13:41<Yoel>I've installed an vncserver on my Debian Wheezy (is an server). The problem is when I run a vncclient and connect to the server: the screen is grey
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13:41<Obermacker>speake here a one german ?? i not goud english...
13:41<ompaul>!de
13:41<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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13:42<Obermacker>my first test here xchat i new here
13:42<ompaul>Obermacker: see what dpkg said
13:42<Obermacker>ok goob by
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13:43<ThomasBreining>Hi Yoel, I'm no expert but I guess the first thing would be to look into vncserver log file. Since you are running a server version of debian you might not have the xserver installed do you ?
13:45<Yoel>well, I connect to the server by SSH (the vncserver is not SSH tunneled). Then I log on as a root user and i run "vncserver" command, the terminal return that VNC is running. Finally I connect the server by the windows vncclient.
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13:45<ompaul>Yoel: what desktop environment is installed on the server?
13:45<Yoel>The most extrange thing is that this problem become suddenly yesterday. Two days ago everything worked fine
13:46<Yoel>gnome
13:46<ompaul>Yoel: not suddenly, the question is what changed.
13:46<Yoel>"apt-get install gnome"
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13:46<retrospectacus>Yoel: do not run vncserver as root. We told you that last week.
13:46<ompaul>Yoel: stuff does not "just happen" so did you upgrade either machine?
13:47<Yoel>I know restrospectus, but is just to run Insync when i startup
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13:47<retrospectacus>Yoel: yes, I remember. Insync shouldn't be run as root either.
13:49<Yoel>okay, any Idea how to run Insync at startuo? Because it needs a serverX running. The best way I could find was run de vnc desktop and Insync starts automaticly with it
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13:49<retrospectacus>Yoel: install gnome, set it to start and automatically log in your user. Set the user's session manager to start insync automatically.
13:50<retrospectacus>Yoel: ignore the fact that the machine has no monitor, if that is the case.
13:50<Yoel>If I run vncserver as a normal user, the client workd better, but just shown a terminal with black screen
13:50<Yoel>i know it can start a user sesion without a monitor
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13:51<retrospectacus>Yoel: the behaviour of vnc depends a lot on which vnc server you are using
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13:51<xXxSephirothxXx>>=)
13:51<xXxSephirothxXx>>:-D
13:51<retrospectacus>Yoel: you probably want x11vnc and have it started by the user's session autostart.
13:52<Yoel>yes
13:52<Yoel>you defined what i want perfect
13:52<Yoel>how can I do that via SSH¿
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13:52<flxmmr>http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/VNC/vnc-over-ssh.html
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13:53<Yoel>no
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13:53<Yoel>no to run it over ssh, how to set it ip via commnands
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13:55<retrospectacus>Yoel: use ssh -X to run the session auto-login and program-autostart managers
13:55<retrospectacus>Yoel: if you're on windows locally it'd be easier to just plug in a monitor and do it
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13:56<Yoel>well, I can do it, but the server machina haven't good VGA output
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13:57<retrospectacus>Yoel: you can use putty and "mingw" (I think is the name?) to utilize SSH X-forwarding
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13:58<blast007>retrospectacus: do you mean Xming?
13:58<retrospectacus>maybe
13:58<Yoel>retropectacus, I'm connected to the server via ssh now
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13:58<retrospectacus>Yoel: from a linux machine?
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13:59<Yoel>no
13:59<Yoel>windows 7 with "cygwin terminal"
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14:00<retrospectacus>well presumably there is a way to enable gnome-auto-login and user-autostart-apps thru ssh only, but it's much easier with the GUI windows. You need ssh -X (Linux) or Xming? (windows)
14:01<Yoel>well, cygwin is a linux terminal running over windows where I installed the openssh-client
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14:02<Yoel>I will install Xming
14:02<retrospectacus>I know... it doesn't let you run programs on the Debian and appear on the screen in front of you
14:02<Yoel>yes
14:02<Yoel>and debian installed on the server machine
14:02<retrospectacus>which simple "ssh -X server" does on linux
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14:04<retrospectacus>Yoel: I have absolutely no idea how to get cygwin to do display forwarding from ssh to xming (or if it is even possible)
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14:04<retrospectacus>I've only done it in putty
14:05<Yoel>and i don't know what you mean. I just say i'm conected to the server via ssh and i have a terminal with root loged in
14:05<retrospectacus>it won't work as root.
14:06<Yoel>oh god, wait i will look for putty
14:06<SamB>retrospectacus: I imagine you just use ssh -X
14:06<SamB>once you have a server listening on :0
14:06<retrospectacus>do you have to tell cygwin that xming is running?
14:06<flxmmr>yoel: he means you can start desktop apps, which appear on your windows desktop like standard windows apps → simple sample: try "xclock"
14:06<SamB>okay maybe you need DISPLAY=:0
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14:07<SamB>or maybe you need to use some TCP/IP syntax for it
14:07<SamB>It occurs to me that I've never actually tried it ...
14:07<SamB>wait, I did actually used to use ssh -X in cygwin
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14:08<SamB>I think I did it from an xterm ...
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14:08<Yoel>"Can't open display"
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14:09<Yoel>well
14:09<Yoel>I'm using putty
14:09<Yoel>and connected to the server
14:09<Yoel>as a normal user
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14:09<SamB>did you start the X server? did you ask PuTTY to enable X11 forwarding?
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14:10<retrospectacus>Yoel: yes, you need to * run the xming server on windows * enable display forwarding in putty before connecting * connect to the debian NOT AS ROOT
14:11<SamB>Connection > SSH > X11
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14:12<SamB>looks like all you need to do is check the "Enable X11 forwarding" box
14:12<retrospectacus>SamB: do you run gnome?
14:12<SamB>retrospectacus: no, mostly Emacs and gitk
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14:13<retrospectacus>dang. we need someone who does to find out the commands to start the auto-login and auto-start configurators
14:13<SamB>also the odd terminal
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14:17<greenit>hi, i have a problem: my notebook does not recognize any cd/dvd i insert... can you help me?
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14:18<mindingulove>hey
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14:19<SamB>(wayland BETTER NOT interfere with my ability to run Emacs remotely)
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14:20<flxmmr>greenit: open a root terminal with tailf /var/log/messages and see if it shows something if you insert your cd
14:20<greenit>flxmmr, ok
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14:32<tata>I am totaly new in linux and Debian, one help, I install Debian 7 lxde, and now I cant watch you tube video, something is missing, how to fix that?
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14:33<retrospectacus>tata: you need to enable "contrib" then install "flashplugin-nonfree"
14:34<tata>ok, how to enable CONTRIB
14:34<retrospectacus>tata: as root, edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:36<retrospectacus>tata: you will see a line like "deb http://some.url.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main"
14:36<retrospectacus>tata: if it says contrib on that line already you don't need to do anything
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14:37<retrospectacus>tata: if not, add the word contrib to the line: "deb http://some.url.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib"
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14:37<tata>hmmm I am a root but, terminal say permission denied
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14:39<retrospectacus>tata: do you use sudo or su
14:39<tata>no :)
14:39<retrospectacus>tata: well, those are how to be root.
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14:41<tata>did you text me full command
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14:42<retrospectacus>tata: I can, but I need to know if you use su, or sudo.
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14:43<tata>I try sudo and nothing, but when I open terminal root I write root password
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14:44<tata>root@dhcppc1:/home/tata#
14:44<tata>this is on my terminal
14:44<retrospectacus>tata: ok then, run nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:45<retrospectacus>tata: that will run the "nano" editor, editing the file.
14:45<tata>ok now I get more listing
14:46<retrospectacus>tata: I think before you just ran "/etc/apt/sources.list" which would indeed give "permission denied" since that is not a runnable file.
14:46<retrospectacus>tata: so, find the line I described and ensure it says "contrib" on it.
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14:46<tata>ok please, wait I so confused
14:47<retrospectacus>take your time
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14:50<tata>I dont have : some.url.org
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14:50<retrospectacus>tata: "some url" means any url. There are lots of options, I don't know what you have.
14:50<tata>oooo, ok wait
14:51<retrospectacus>you don't need to touch that part, just check if "contrib" is there.
14:51<tata>yes I get it
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14:52<retrospectacus>tata: when you're done hit Ctrl-X to exit nano
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14:52<retrospectacus>tata: if you made any change it will ask if you want to save, press y then enter to confirm the file name
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14:53<tata>sorry I cant add text in terminal???
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14:53<retrospectacus>tata: what?
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14:54<tata>how to add word to line?
14:54<retrospectacus>just use the arrows and type the word
14:54<tata>ok
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14:56<tata>is it ok Save modified buffer (ANSWERING "No" WILL DESTROY CHANGES) ?
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14:56<retrospectacus>tata: yes, press Y as I mentioned above
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14:58<tata>presed y and File Name to Write: /etc/apt/sources.list
14:58<retrospectacus>enter to confirm the file name
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14:59<tata>ok i entered
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14:59<retrospectacus>tata: nice work! now you can edit a file as root on Debian.
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15:00<retrospectacus>tata: next you will run "apt-get update" as root.
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15:00<retrospectacus>this will fetch the list of "contrib" packages from your "apt sources"
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15:00<tata>I understant to insstal flash player now, but how to check is it ok about contrib
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15:03<retrospectacus>tata: I don't understand the question. Did you read what I said?
15:05<tata>sorry, ok, I write to terminal apt get update but answer is enable
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15:05<tata>unable
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15:06<retrospectacus>tata: http://paste.debian.net/ - go here and copy/paste the whole thing, click send and tell me the url
15:06<tata>ok
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15:08<samu>hello
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15:08<tata>http://paste.debian.net/15787/
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15:10<retrospectacus>tata: it indicates you have something else running - perhaps synaptic or aptitude in another window? Close them.
15:10<retrospectacus>tata: then try "apt-get update" again
15:10<tata>yes synaptic
15:10<tata>close now
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15:11<tata>I get Done
15:11<samu>ps -e | grep -e apt -e adept | grep -v grep
15:11<retrospectacus>tata: great, next you should run "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
15:12<samu>Killing an apt or aptitude process is harmless unless it is actually in the middle of package installation
15:12<tata>from terminal or synaptic ( for me it is easy way)
15:12<retrospectacus>samu: do you have a debian question?
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15:13<retrospectacus>tata: synaptic is a pretty shitty question but you could find the flashplugin-nonfree there and install it.
15:13<retrospectacus>pretty shitty program*
15:13<tata>ok thanks
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15:15<flxmmr>why do you think synaptic is bad?
15:15<flxmmr>for me it works better with apt-pinning than aptitude :/
15:15<samu>:)
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15:18<retrospectacus>flxmmr: it's been abandoned upstream - nuff said. -> #debian-offtopic if you want to discuss
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15:24<retrospectacus>tata: see https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer for how to keep adobe flash plugin up to date.
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15:29<retrospectacus>tata: you may also need to do the ~/.asoundrc thing, to make sound in flash play properly
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15:36<tata>ok
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15:44<tata>:) terminal need cd debian to put in cdrom
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15:49<flxmmr>tata, best remove the installation cd from installation media
15:50<flxmmr>synaptic
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15:50<tata>oooo, it is to late
15:50<flxmmr>if you still have itits no problem...
15:51<flxmmr>anyways for flash on linux i'd just install googlechrome...
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15:51<SamB>it's not particularly difficult to remove the apt-cdrom entry from sources.list
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15:51<flxmmr>since adobe flash won't get any updates.
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15:51<flxmmr>no, but maybe he was confused
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15:52<SamB>I mean, if he does lose the CD or something
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16:46<Ahmed>"This host has been detected as an open proxy. This means that the machine allows others to use the machine in question to 'relay' or 'bounce' their traffic.
16:46<Ahmed>How do I fix this?
16:46<retrospectacus>Ahmed: fix your mail server to not relay mail
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16:47<retrospectacus>Ahmed: what is your MTA?
16:47<SamB>you sure it's not about HTTP proxying?
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16:47<SamB>or SOCKS or something
16:47<Ahmed>no idea, I didn't mess with anything
16:47<Ahmed>rizon banned me and that seems to be the reason why
16:47<Ahmed>http://www.ahbl.org/lktool?lookup=41.254.1.78
16:48<retrospectacus>I'm not, but http proxying is relatively harmless afaik. "Open relay" usually means email, which allows SPAM
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16:49<SamB>retrospectacus: do you know what happens when you visit a https:// URL using a proxy?
16:49<retrospectacus>there doesn't seem to be any mail server there though
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16:51<Ahmed>So, how do I disallow others to use my machine to relay or bounce their traffic?
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16:51<peter1139>Ahmed, are you on a dynamic IP?
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16:51<retrospectacus>Ahmed: what is the intended purpose of that machine? And what version of Debian is it running?
16:52<Ahmed>My ip only changes when I change my "internet billing account"
16:52<Ahmed>and it's a personal computer
16:52<Ahmed>used for browsing web pages
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16:53<peter1139>Well, assuming it's Debian, then it won't be proxying/relaying things by default unless you set it up to do so.
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16:53<Ahmed>I'm using Jessie
16:53<Ahmed>but hadn't fully upgraded all my packages
16:54<Ahmed>because I have a bandwidth limit
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16:54<Ahmed>waiting this month to end to do so
16:54<Ahmed>but either way, yes, I'm using Debian and don't understand any of this
16:54<retrospectacus>SamB: what?
16:54<Ahmed>so I don't think I've changed anything
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16:55<SamB>retrospectacus: I think its called a CONNECT request
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16:55<retrospectacus>Ahmed: what are you trying to do, that causes this ahbl to pop up?
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16:56<SamB>and depending on how things are configured this can be used to open a connection to an arbitrary host and port
16:56<Ahmed>retrospectacus: I try to connect to rizon
16:57<Ahmed>Rizon blacklisted my ip for being a proxy
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16:58<retrospectacus>SamB: so? I can use "telnet" to open a connection to an arbitrary host and port, using a proxy or not
16:58<retrospectacus>Ahmed: what is "rizon"
16:58<Ahmed>It's an irc network, similar to freenode
16:58<SamB>retrospectacus: yes but letting random strangers do this through your HTTP proxy is considered very very bad form
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17:01<retrospectacus>like running a tor exit node
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17:02<Ahmed>Retrospectacus: Isn't there a way I can change this?
17:02<retrospectacus>Ahmed: well I don't see anything at your IP but if you do have any proxy service running, turn it off and click "request delisting"
17:03<SamB>retrospectacus: well tor exit nodes are supposed to have policies that disallow things like SMTP connections
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17:04<SamB>(the port for SSL-based SMTP is probably allowed though)
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17:06<Ahmed>Retrospectacus: My processes monitor doesn't show anything, if that's where I'm supposed to look
17:06<retrospectacus>try "netstat -plant"
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17:11<kiree>How do i display whats flashing on the monitor when starting up? (dmesg isnt showing everything)
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17:13<retrospectacus>!tell kiree about bootlogd
17:14<kiree>ty!
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17:22<Ahmed>http://paste.debian.net/15805/
17:22<Ahmed>here goes
17:22<Ahmed>sorry
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17:24<retrospectacus>that looks fine except it seems you have a router between your PC and the Internet
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17:25<retrospectacus>which means the router is what you should be investigating for "open relay" function (on the router or port forwarded)
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17:30<kiree>How do i make openvpn startup before transmission-daemon during boot?
17:31<retrospectacus>kiree: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts
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17:31<kiree>thx again!
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17:42<kiree>in my transmission-daemon init.d script i have "# Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $openvpn $all
17:42<kiree>" but it still wants to start before openvpn?? I have tried with or without the $openvpn name but with no success
17:42-!-simian [~open@host86-175-78-81.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #debian
17:43<kiree>i even added a sleep timer, but still transmission wants to start before openvpn
17:43<kiree>what am i missing?
17:46<retrospectacus>what's openvpn's Required-Start?
17:46<retrospectacus>and it should be "openvpn" not "$openvpn" iirc
17:47<kiree>this is openvpns: "# Required-Start: $network $remote_fs $syslog
17:47<kiree>"
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17:49<kiree>hmm maybe "X-Start-Before" can help me.. lets see!
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17:49<retrospectacus>just put "openvpn" in Required-Start: - no $ ; that is for umm pseudo services or so
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17:52<kiree>aah ok
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17:56<kiree>nah that didnt do it either
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17:59<retrospectacus>oh you have to run "insserv" to actually update the boot order.
17:59<kiree>oooh
17:59<retrospectacus>forgot to mention that important step
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18:01<kiree>retrospectacus: your sir are the man! many thanks!!
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18:01<retrospectacus>no problem
18:01<kiree>last time i tried to do this i think i messed around with number priorities via some app i cant remember - this was much easier!
18:01<kiree>thx again
18:02<retrospectacus>it used to be "update-rc.d"
18:02<kiree>yea that might have been it
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18:03<kiree>im off to bed, good night!
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18:09*jemadux is away: I'm busy
18:10<retrospectacus>!tell jemadux about away
18:10<jemadux>sorry
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18:12<anubhav>hey guys - am new to Linux lite and need to know how to create a new user (guest) in linux lite
18:12<retrospectacus>!linux lite
18:12<dpkg>Linux Lite is a distribution based on <ubuntu> and Debian. It is not supported in #debian -- please ask questions on their IRC channel, #linuxdistrocommunity on irc.freenode.net, or forums at http://www.linuxdistrocommunity.com/forums/ . Ask me about <based on debian>.
18:13<anubhav>ohh .. thanks a lot
18:15<Katy>anubhav: you may want to search the web for adduser before
18:15<anubhav>yuppss found it
18:15<anubhav> sudo useradd -d /home/testuser -m testuser
18:15<anubhav> sudo passwd testuser
18:15<anubhav>ubuntu was the clue
18:16<retrospectacus>it is a simple question but we only support debian
18:17<retrospectacus>and adduser is preferred to useradd
18:17<anubhav>ya got that .. am slowly learning my way out on linux .. nyways thanks guys -- gtg bbye
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18:26<EdiJordan>retrospectacus, try: sudo adduser testuser
18:27<retrospectacus>he left
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18:28<retrospectacus>and if you really want me to try it, ok... sudo: command not found ;)
18:29<EdiJordan>Hum...
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18:29<EdiJordan>Try: adduser testuser
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18:30<retrospectacus>EdiJordan: no, thanks.
18:30<stderr>EdiJordan: Psssttt... You're "helping" the wrong person.
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18:31<retrospectacus>EdiJordan: yes, the person I was helping has left.
18:31<EdiJordan>Then log in as root and type the command: su -
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18:32<EdiJordan>Ok! :)
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18:35<rudi_s>EdiJordan: If you're root there's no need to run su - ...
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19:12<nfisher>would a usb-stick hold a decent time as hdd? any experiences? jsut installed wheezy on USB since my hdd0 broke
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19:13<user01>how do i disable speech dispatcher message everytime i log into gnome?
19:14<user01>i think the voice says it is leaking
19:14<user01>but there is this loud voice that comes on and starts telling me to look in /var/log something something
19:15<nfisher>btw, is youtube actually blocking the open-source player delivered with wheezy?
19:15<blast007>nfisher: flash media generally has more limited write cycles than a typical spinning hard drive
19:15<nfisher>i'm getting "The Adobe Flash Player is required.."
19:16<nfisher>blast007, thats what ive heard; wwanted to know if anyone had any experience on how long that would make a stable system
19:17<nfisher>(since it does quite well as a matter of fact :)
19:18<blast007>impossible to predict. if it's just a flash drive, it may lack some of the more advanced write leveling that an SSD would have. and unlike SSDs, they're probably not thourghly tested for such situations.
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19:19<blast007>so, keep backups of your data, as always ;)
19:19<nfisher>blast007, hmm..
19:20<user01>user01, im just going to remove gnome orca and speech dispatcher
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19:42<nfisher>whats that program (GUI) to install .deb-packages again?
19:42<nfisher>wanted to install google-earth but dpkg wouldnt do due to unresolöved dependencies
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19:46<retrospectacus>!googleearth
19:46<dpkg>Google Earth is a proprietary geographic information program, which cannot be distributed by any third party. To build a Debian package of Google Earth: ask me about <contrib>, install the googleearth-package package and read /usr/share/doc/googleearth-package/README.Debian. http://earth.google.com/
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19:58<retrospectacus>nfisher: I'm not sure how you think a gui program would help.
19:58<retrospectacus>!tell nfisher about bat
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20:09<abcdefg>hi
20:10<abcdefg>just installed debian for first time
20:10<abcdefg>using kde, cant get sound working
20:10<abcdefg>can anyone help?
20:11<nfisher>retrospectacus, well, synaptic installs stellarium and its dependencies for example; apt-get install gives me err and wouldnt install dependencies"Depends: libqt4-network (>= 4:4.6.1) but it is not going to be installed"
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20:12<Out`Of`Control>abcdefg: try tweak alsa
20:12<abcdefg>??
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20:14<Out`Of`Control>abcdefg: type in terminal alsamixer
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20:23<valroadie>Does anyone have a great guide for a very first time user of debian? I am somewhat ok on the terminal as I use kubuntu everyday but I want to try debian! Hah I have installed it but have no idea where to start as it has no GUI so...I have tried to read the debian FAQ (old and new) but have gotten nowhere...the format for me is too, hard I guess lol So anyone have an easier faq?! Thank you!
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20:24<abcdefg>no luck with sound card]
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20:25<abcdefg>plz querry me anyone willing to help resolve this issue
20:25<abcdefg>brb 30mins
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20:26<stderr>valroadie: Did you install an X-server? What graphic card do you have? Any error messages in the console or in any of the logs?
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20:28<Guest3084>hey pardon my noob. im stuck in an unusable xmonad session. any way to force log out?
20:28<valroadie>stderr, no, no xserver, just downloaded from the debian site and burned it to a cd. Not sure about the graphics card, it is onbard as I have a laptop (macbook 2,1) and I haven't noticed any error messages what so ever, I just want to know what to do after it boots up and give me a login into a terminal interface ;)
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20:28<Maulkin>Guest3084: Try ctrl + alt + backspace
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20:29<Guest3084>no go
20:29<Guest3084>thanks though
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20:30<Maulkin>Guest3084: Try ctrl + alt + f1, then log in, then /etc/init.d/xmonad restart
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20:30<Maulkin>Or similar
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20:30<Out`Of`Control>valroadie: try http://www.debian.org/CD/live/
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20:30<Guest3084>thanks so much, logged me out
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20:32<valroadie>Out`Of`Control, Thank you! From what I read it comes with a GUI install option? If so that is what I am looking for!
20:32<Out`Of`Control>valroadie: yes. there is faq on that page
20:33<valroadie>Out`Of`Control and stderr thanks so much!
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20:38<Out`Of`Control>valroadie: yw
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20:43<Guest3084>maulkin, thanks again
20:43<Guest3084>have a great weekend
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21:23<scientes>oh cool i got a CVE
21:23<scientes>how do i take credit for it
21:24<Apollo>you report it to the developer
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21:28<scientes>no, it was just assigned a number
21:28<scientes>i already reported it and it was fixed
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21:37<ray>account list
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21:48<listen1213>morning ~~~~
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22:03<listen1213>ethoms, morning!~
22:05<listen1213>all busy?
22:07<listen1213>?
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22:10<bo0t6>Hello
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22:13<listen1213>hello
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22:53<james41382>Does anyone know of a good way to prevent the screen lock from taking effect while watching videos?
22:56<tiger>debian ?
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22:57<tiger>james41382, maybe you can try "System settings"->"brightness and lock"
22:57<sney>james41382: it's generally not supposed to kick in when something is fullscreen. I think mplayer has the ability to override it, perhaps. you'd have to look in the options.
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22:59<james41382>Okay this is in regard to a flash video in full screen as a plugin with iceweasel, but it is on an external monitor using an HDMI cable.
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23:00<SamB>ah, well, you can't fix flash
23:02<james41382>What do you mean by that? I have been searching the web for a solution, but have been unsuccessful. It seems that people have had success with caffeine and Ubuntu, but caffeine is not in the repos. I think it's specific to Ubuntu.
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23:03<listen1213>Anybody meet the HDMI have vedio but without voice issue?
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23:04<james41382>listen1213: there are some settings in the gtk sound application.
23:04<james41382>listen1213: Search -> Sound
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23:38<listen1213>james41382: tks~!
23:38<listen1213>get the voice now!~
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