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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-07-16

---Logopened Tue Jul 16 00:00:03 2013
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00:48<nikolai>hello, is there anyone fluent in "Why HDMI output seems not to exist?". Further info to who answers me, thanks.
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00:51<jm_>exist where?
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00:52<nikolai>hmm, the problem is, jm_, that when I plug the hdmi cable into the tv, I can see images while BIOS loads, but not when debian is running
00:52<nikolai>I thought I had to choose the second output, hdmi, from somewhere? jm_
00:55<jm_>nikolai: which card/driver?
00:55<nikolai>geforce 9300 se
00:55<jm_>are you using nvidia driver?
00:55<nikolai>how can I see that? lsmod, lspci, something else?
00:55<nikolai>oh
00:55<jm_>!which video driver
00:55<dpkg>To show the video driver used by your X server «egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log». Also ask me about <fglrx>, <nvidia>, <which driver>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
00:55<nikolai>I've just installed a fresh 7.1 debian
00:56<nikolai>so, no driver changes from what debian installed
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00:56<nikolai>problem is: I'm in a hurry and cannot turn that pc on right now
00:57<nikolai>or
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00:57<jm_>try installing nvidia driver then -- http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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00:58<nikolai>gained some extra minutes
00:58<nikolai>oh, thanks jm_
00:58<nikolai>will try!
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00:59<jeffrey>i have ubuntu server 12.4 how do i ad a web site to it
00:59<jm_>then look in X logfile for further clues (you can also upload it to some paste site and ask for help here)
00:59<jm_>!ubuntuirc jeffrey
00:59<dpkg>jeffrey: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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01:00<nikolai>jm_,
01:00<nikolai>oops, jm_, thanks
01:00<jm_>nikolai: no problem
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01:00<jeffrey>thank you for your help
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01:09<nikolai>I'm trying IRC via Pidgin though :) what do you guys think?
01:09<nikolai>insane or good idea?
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01:11<jm_>it's up to you what you use, as long as client doesn't do insane things
01:12<nikolai>ok, just wanted to know if someone knew of some stupid things between pidgin and irc
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02:45<Xylon>hi, what is x-www-browser and why is it using 10% CPU?
02:46<SamB>I think it's a symlink to a graphical browser
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02:46<Xylon>Yeah I guess it's iceweasel
02:47<Xylon>but what's up with all that CPU?
02:47<Xylon>I'll close some tabs
02:48<Xylon>and see which one
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02:49<Xylon>OK I've closed all tabs except google.co.uk and it's still using 10% CPU
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02:52<Xylon>and 274MB of memory
02:52<Xylon>wtf man
02:53<Xylon>my fan in costantly turning on and off because of iceweasel
02:53<Xylon>lol it's memory usage just jumped up to 283 and I havent even used it
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02:55<Xylon>OK I closed and re-opened and now it's only using 2% CPU
02:56<Xylon>still too much for a program that's not doing anything
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03:02<Xylon>and now I re-opened all my tabs and it's using only 1% CPU o_O
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03:09<Stummi>Xylon, your fan is turning on with 10% load?
03:10<Stummi>cooling problems?
03:11<Stummi>and there are a lot of alternative browsers if iceweasel needs to much resources for you
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03:38<daswort>hi i installed lightdm (netinstall) and it looks weird. I tried to make it look like this http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/l/lightdm/9743_large.png by installing lightdm-gtk-greeter, but that does not work.
03:40<Stummi>please specify "weird"
03:40<PaulePanter>daswort: No idea. Maybe upload an image, so people know what weird means.
03:40<daswort>oh, in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf the theme is adwaita. Looks like thats the problem. Anybody knows how the theme in the screenshot is called.
03:40<jm_>looks to be default so comment it out
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03:41<jm_>actually looking at screenshots page, 9743 looks to be default, and 9744 for GTK (but they look the same to me)
03:43<daswort>i guess i can't restart / reload lightdm without killing my session?
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03:46<daswort>lightdm --test-mode : command not found?
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03:47<babilen_>daswort: That's essentially how it should look like, yes. The adwaita GTK theme looks quite similar (can't really compare without seeing them next to each other). Are you sure that you have that theme installed?
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03:54<renolse>When doing a df -bind mounts are also listed i wheezy. And even with the mount command, it is impossible to tell that they are -bind mounts.
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03:54<renolse>Is this the way it is supposed to be? Was defenately not like that in squueze.
03:55<weasel>it's a result of doing away with /etc/mtab. It's a shame.
03:55<renolse>A big step backwards imo.
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03:55<renolse>There is no way of telling which mounts are -binds.
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03:56<renolse>The real issue is that with the df command theose -bind mounts shows up as real devices.
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03:57<renolse>If you have a device sdb3 that you -bind mount in 4 locations, then /dev/sdb3 will show
03:58<renolse>up 4 times in df showing the same amount of space free and all.
03:59<renolse>So for example the --total switch for df is totally useless now. Since it will count the same space 4 times.
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04:00<renolse>What will happen if I change the symlink back to a real mtab file?
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04:30<renolse>Ok. If I edit the file /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh remove the mtab symlink and create a real file instead and reboot the system,
04:30<renolse>it looks like I get the good old behaviour back.
04:30<renolse>df doesn't show -bind mounts, and the mount command lists them as binds.
04:31<renolse>Not sure if it will have any other implications though.
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04:42<peter1139>apparently empathy(-chat) segfaults a lot with lots of messages :S
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04:45<ethoms>anybody know if twitter blog is working in 2.4.1? Or am I doing something wrong.
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04:45<ethoms>sorry, twitter feed plugin
04:47<ethoms>oops, wrong channel
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04:54<jack>hehe
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06:59<Trampel>Hi, I have a fresh 7.1 install and tried netsurf-fb but mouse access isn't allowed because /dev/input/mice is u+rw root:root , is it a bug?
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07:01<Trampel>How do I permanently (over reboot) change the access rights and group in /dev/input/mice
07:02<babilen>Trampel: I'm sure you already read the two bugs at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=netsurf-fb ?
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07:03<babilen>Trampel: fwiw, I have never used that tool nor does it really appeal to me (I can use X just fine on my box)
07:03<Trampel>babilen: No, I am sorry, thx
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07:39<lech>hello everybody
07:39<lech>i have problem with samba in my distro (wheezy)
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07:40<lech>i cannot access to windows computers in my LAN
07:40<lech>but they can
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07:41<zekro>Hello.
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07:47<Mapos>Hello, can anyone recommend me any linux os ? :D I am using crunchbang but i am not really satisfied with it..
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07:48<Mapos>And I cannot find any good, bcs there is freaking lot of linux os´s
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07:53<daswort>hi, i use testig and icedove in the repo only provides esr10. Where can i get a recent version? mozilla.debian.net does not help in this case. Do i have to add unstable to my sources list?
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08:04<mshuler>dpkg: tell daswort about mozilla.debian.net
08:05<musca>mshuler: did you try it?
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08:06<mshuler>oh, is there nothing newer on mozilla.debian.net, musca?
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08:07<mshuler>sorry, I missed that - need more coffee
08:07<Stummi>mozilla.debia.net doesn't even provide an "testing" option for the version
08:08<abrotman>so he can wait for it to filter down
08:08<daswort>apt-get install -t experimental icedove says esr10 is the most recent version, and yes i added "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian experimental main" to the sources list
08:08<mshuler>right
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08:08<pmart>i'm recovering data from a failing hard drive. after trying to read too many bad sectors hard drive becomes "corrupt" (i can't even read from places which I know are good, e.g. mbr). each time i have to shutdown pc and power it off, then restart. it is annoying as I'm operating from live cd and everytime i need to setup my environment. is there a command i could sent to hard drive to make it restart by itself?
08:09<daswort>Stummi~ You have to choose unstable. Unstable and testing are very much the same, but "on different timelines".
08:09<abrotman>please don
08:09<abrotman>don't
08:09<abrotman>just wait for it to filter down
08:09<daswort>but enigmail does not work!
08:10<abrotman>why?
08:11<daswort>because thunder… icedove says it
08:12<abrotman>yes .. tahnks .. what's the error
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08:13<daswort>incompatible
08:13<daswort>and will be activated when compatible
08:13<abrotman>so change the rdf file that says what it's compatible with ?
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08:24<ayaka>I have a problem with use sambe in dolphin, before I install samba(server), it works fine, but after installed, I can't open remote machine and doesn't ask me for authention
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08:24<ayaka>https://paste.debian.net/16281/
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08:30<mshuler>daswort: prehaps you've not updated? I'm not getting the same result: http://paste.debian.net/16348/
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08:32<Voadita>hola
08:32<Voadita>esta red no es la de hispano verdad?
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08:33<daswort>mshuler~ https://dpaste.de/75vEv/
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08:36<mshuler>dove.. yes, sorry, drinking second cup of coffee now.. wait until 17.0.7-1 hits testing in a few days - looks like it's still to be built on a few architectures
08:36<jm_>pmart: is it SATA?
08:36<mshuler>(few days could be longer, if there are build failures
08:37<mshuler>daswort: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/icedove.html
08:37<mshuler>the "Check why" link has details
08:38<daswort>looked at dpts a few minutes ago. So it's "only" 4 days over "shedule"?
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08:40<mshuler>daswort: as abrotman mentioned, it's not advised to use unstable unless you are real clear on what you are doing - if you need help with that (and testing for that matter), please join #debian-next
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08:40<abrotman>he can ask here ...
08:40<daswort>okay, thanks a lot. :)
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08:41<abrotman>daswort: if you reall yneeds icedove, just try grabbing the packages directly and installing them ..
08:41<mshuler>I guess I thought that was a little beyond the scope of #debian
08:41<pmart>jm_: yes it's sata
08:41*mshuler is still learning, too :)
08:42<abrotman>mshuler: #debian-next just specializes in testing/unstable .. doesn't mean he can't ask here
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08:42<mshuler>excellent - thanks for that
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08:43<abrotman>mshuler: that'd be like sending everyone that uses amd64 to #debian-amd64 because it exists .. or #debian-eeepc because that exists ..
08:43<mshuler>well, it's in the topic, and I've seen others direct the same sorts of longer conversations and getting into preferences, etc to #debian-next
08:44<mshuler>just trying to help :)
08:44<abrotman>specializes ..
08:44<mshuler>right
08:44<abrotman>what he's trying to do mangle isn't that complicated
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08:47<daswort>hmmpf ubuntu patches many applets, for a good reason. Debian loses a bit of usability here, sad. :(
08:47<abrotman>ahem ...
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08:49<daswort>sounds a bit of context… well on debian you have to right or left click on applets like radiotray or nm-applet, depending on what context the button is. That's annoying because i don't remember that all the time.
08:49<daswort>Well i think thats not a problem i can solve.
08:49<abrotman>different versions of software
08:51<daswort>i see (it in the changelog)
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08:54<babilen>daswort: Seriously: If you are running testing and you want a package from unstable you can either wait for it transition or pull it manually. At this point in the release cycle pulling packages into testing is a fairly common thing you would do and you can configure a <testing unstable mix> as detailed in "/msg dpkg tum"
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08:57<tongye>ha?
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09:01<daswort>i did what dpkg said. just for better understanding: apt now knows that my default is testing, but also knows of the packages in unstable. so until i explicitly tell apt to pull something from unstable it just uses the testing repo, right?
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09:05<babilen>daswort: yes, you can confirm that by running "apt-cache policy" -- read apt_preferences(5) to understand the output and the meaning of these priorities.
09:05<daswort>Thanks
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09:18<jeje>hi
09:18<jeje>i need help for ssh key,
09:19<Maulkin>What sort of help?
09:19<jeje>its ok for root user ( no need passord), but not ok with User1 or User2 for example
09:20<Stummi>hm? Please explain
09:20<jeje>for my supervion "centreon" i create user centreon
09:21<jeje>the HOME of user centreon is : /var/lib/centreon and .ssh is /var/lib/centreon/.ssh
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09:21<Stummi>and in this .ssh-folder is the public key under authorized_keys?
09:21<jeje>on my server-one i create the same user "centreon" i generate the ssh-keygen an send the ssh key on server-two
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09:22<jeje>my conf of sshd its ok but the user root is ok ?
09:22<Stummi>no, you should avoid using the root user if not needed
09:23<jeje>ok , but my chmod for authorized_key is : 600 and .ssh folder 700 with chown centreon:centreon
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09:24<alena>привет?
09:25<Stummi>!ru
09:25<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
09:25<alena>okay
09:25<Stummi>jeje, what does the log says when you try to login?
09:25<jeje>i test to log in debug mod and i send you the result
09:26<alena>what is this chat for?
09:26<alena>does anyone know how to fix problems with skype on ubuntu?
09:27<ixi>!ubuntu
09:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
09:27<jeje>debug : key_type from name : unknown key type '---begin'
09:27<jeje>debug3 : key_read : missing whitespace
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09:30<alena>any calm clever person here who can explain hard things in easy way?talk to me
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09:39<effedetto>karaoke
09:40<apm1>jazz
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10:03<drali_>Hi, I have debian jessie and win7 on my computer. Somehow restarting from win7 to linux causes linux system clock to be 2 hours too early. Do you have any idea how to fix this?
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10:12<Blizzbob>/help
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10:28<Stummi>drali_, IIRC (maybe i am wrong), Windows sets the HW-Clock to your local time while linux sets it to UTC
10:28<Stummi>drali_, maybe you will find a way on windows to configure this behavior
10:29<Stummi>if not, i don't think there is much you could do
10:29<drali_>stummi: Thanks, I will try later, I don't use win very often anyway
10:29<Stummi>except of triggereing something like ntp every time windows or linux boots
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10:40<cristiancv100>hola
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10:41<cristiancv100>hello, somebody speaks spanish?
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10:41<daemonkeeper>!es
10:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:42<cristiancv100>thanks
10:42<dfree_>!cn
10:42<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
10:42<cristiancv100>#debian-es
10:42<daemonkeeper>con "/join #debian-es"
10:43<cristiancv100>ok, i was wrong xD
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10:44<cristiancv100>there is nobody in the other room
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10:44<cristiancv100>please help me!
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10:45<Chair>When apt installs a package with dependencies, does it run the preinst script (during unpack) *before* the dependencies are installed ?
10:45<Stummi>cristiancv100, you can also ask your question here in english
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10:45<cristiancv100>i'm testing postfix 2.9.6 + dovecot 2.1.7, someone can you help me!
10:45<daemonkeeper>Chair: Yes.
10:46<Stummi>not before we know the problem
10:46<Chair>daemonkeeper: thank you.
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10:46<cristiancv100>thanks!
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10:47<Chair>My package tries to stop a service before it is installed. It depends on the package that contains the service. Any tips how I can stop the service during the package installation but before it is installed ?
10:47<cristiancv100>i have a problem in master.cf file, this is the problem
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10:47<cristiancv100>Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostconf: fatal: file /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 12: bad field count
10:47<cristiancv100>postconf: fatal: file /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 12: bad field count
10:48<Stummi>please upload your master.cf at paste.debian.net
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10:49<cristiancv100>excuse me!, i need to signme in these site?
10:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 598] by debhelper
10:50<Stummi>cristiancv100, no
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10:50<Stummi>copy the content of master.cf and paste into the text field on http://paste.debian.net, klick send and give us the link
10:54<cristiancv100>thank you! already paste my master.cf file in the link you explainme
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10:55<cristiancv100>please help me!, i tried to find the fix to this error and i cannot fixed
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10:57<peter1139>well you need to give the link that paste.debian.net gives you
10:57<Stummi>its http://paste.debian.net/16379
10:57<Stummi>i am not sure about the master.cf syntax, but you need to put some spaces before the option-lines
10:57<peter1139>magic
10:58<peter1139>yes
10:58<cristiancv100>excuse me, in what line i can find it?
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11:00<peter1139>12 & 13
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11:01<mario>ciao
11:01<cristiancv100>ok, im fix that lines, with two blank spaces before -o smtpd_ .............
11:01<mario>ciao sono nuovo come funzia?
11:01<babilen>dpkg: it
11:01<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:03<cristiancv100>thanks a lot guys, i can start the postfix service
11:03<cristiancv100>im going to test the mail server
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11:05<cristiancv100>ill be back later, if i need some help, thanks a lot
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12:25<will>hi
12:25<effedetto>Hello at all
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12:26<babilen>o/
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12:30<yermandu>im getting a HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for :|
12:31<retrospectacus>!errors
12:31<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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12:33<Walex>yermandu: anyhow very likely a bad disk, and yes too little context
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12:37<yermandu>Walex, its a exernal disk usb, in lsusb its show vendors and usbid, but hdparm doest recognized, too is not possible make new partition tables, maybe disk go to space
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12:40<Walex>yermandu: or perhaps the USB interface is defective or not supplying enough power.
12:40<Walex>yermandu: there are MANY cases where USB interfaces don't supply enough power even if they should.
12:40<Walex>yermandu: there are also many buggy USB storage chips.
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13:35<infrid>hi
13:36<retrospectacus>infrid: hello
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13:47<Blizzbob>hi ??
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13:47<sney>hi
13:47<musca> hello Blizzbob
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13:49<Blizzbob>i am new ... i thought more people would talk
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13:49<sney>!chat
13:49<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
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13:50<musca>just ask. better questions get better answers.
13:50<prokofiev>!upgrade
13:50<dpkg>upgrade is, like, what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze> <squeeze->wheezy>.
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13:56<trico>i thought apt-get was the recommeded way to go now
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13:58<babilen>Blizzbob: We have another channel on irc.freenode.net that you might want to join too
13:59<dan>Hi! I am trying to install the netflix desktop package. But I get the no pub key error
13:59<dan>Anyone with any idea?
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14:01<retrospectacus>dan: hard to tell without the *actual* message, but it's probably just a warning you can ignore.
14:02<sney>likely a signed third party package with no trust chain. depending on where it came from, it might be safe to install
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14:03<sergio72>!list
14:03<dpkg>sergio72: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
14:03<retrospectacus>dan: what version of debian are you using?
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14:06<Blizzbob>is it possible to install pidgin on debian 7.0 on a graphical way and not in terminal ?
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14:07<scientes>Blizzbob, synaptic
14:07<scientes>software-center is sid is crashing for me
14:07<dan>version 7.1
14:08<sergio72>worldz
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14:09<Blizzbob>thx
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14:11<dan>I ignored the warning but cannot install the packages, it whines about broken packages but I cannot repair the broken packages through the synaptic menu either. It is a fresh debian wheezy install so shouldnt have hade any time to mess it up...
14:11<dan>error translation "could not correct the error, you have retained broken packages"
14:12<dan>followed by couldl not fix dependenies by pkg ProblemResolver
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14:13<leo>hello everybody
14:13<leo>i
14:13<dan>hello leo
14:14<leo>i'm testing chat irc :D
14:14<sney>!test
14:14<dpkg>Test failed.
14:14<sney>aw.
14:14<sney>!chat
14:14<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
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14:16<dan>what does it mean by could not correct the problem, you have held back the broken package?
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14:17<retrospectacus>!tell dan about why not use a ppa
14:17<retrospectacus>!tell dan about bat
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14:18<retrospectacus>!tell dan about localized errors
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14:29<stein>Hi.
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14:34<Blizzbob>is there a good version of pidgin for debian 7.0
14:35<retrospectacus>Blizzbob: there is 2.10.6-3
14:35<retrospectacus>Blizzbob: I think it's good
14:36<sney>we make no claims as to relative lustre, though
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14:46<stein>fuck you all.
14:47<sney>pardon
14:47<stein>fuck your pardon.
14:47<infrid>me too!!
14:48<infrid>please
14:48<stein>windows 4 life
14:48<stein>xoxo
14:48<infrid>:D
14:48<stein>:D
14:48<stein>lol just kidding.
14:48<stein>suck mah precious cock, sney.
14:48<stein>suck it suck it suck it
14:48<babilen>*sigh* really?
14:48<sney>if either of you has a debian question, go ahead and ask it. otherwise, you're probably going to be removed shortly
14:49-!-[_aeris_] is now known as _aeris_
14:49<babilen>stein: Seriously, stop making a fool out of yourself, grow up and find something real to care about.
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14:49<stein>sney; gstreamer-ffmpeg is needed to display .avi movies in webcamstudio?
14:49<stein>babilen; does god exist?
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14:49<stein>can anybody help me with gstreamer-ffmpeg?
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14:50<retrospectacus>stein: is your name by any chance Jonathan Lopez?
14:50<stein>sney, grow up and learn some shit about media on linux.
14:50<stein>like, v4l2loopback...etc
14:50<stein>retro; idk
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14:50<stein>my name is rhys
14:50<stein>why
14:50<sney>this kind of abuse/desparate pleas for help does seem familiar
14:50<SynrG>apt-cache show stein
14:50<SynrG>hmm. doesn't seem to be a part of debian
14:50<sney>N: Unable to locate package stein
14:50<stein>lol
14:51<stein>why doesn't debian store gsteamer-repos?
14:51<stein>most people are leaving linux due to lack of gstreamer.
14:51<stein>I strongly urge the developers to grow up, and put gstreamer into their fuckin' repos.
14:51<stein>otherwise, we, the #ubuntuarmy shall cause chaos.
14:51<stein>ok sorry
14:51<sney>aptitude search gstreamer |wc -l
14:51<sney>129
14:51*sney shrug
14:52<stein>i use ubuntu
14:52<babilen>stein: Please take it to another channel - this is not it.
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14:52<stein>"this is not it"
14:52<stein>lol
14:52<stein>dude
14:52<stein>do you know english
14:53-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by rnowak
14:53-!-stein was kicked from #debian by babilen [you should know better]
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14:53<peter1139>uh what
14:54<babilen>lets move on
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15:02<MichaelP>Running debian wheezy.. Anyone know why ati catalyst cause hdmi audio to make the screen flash ?
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15:03<sney>hdmi *audio* makes the screen flash?
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15:04<MichaelP>sney: it's something with the ati catalyst driver when useing hdmi
15:05<sney>how do you know that's the problem?
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15:07<MichaelP>did it in windows 7 as well.. But if i used HP's windows 7 driver. that was 3 years old.. Then doing a custum upgrade to the lastest. leaving the old hdmi driver it stoped doing it.. That's how i know it's the problem
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15:08<MichaelP>But i don't know what all controls the hdmi audio in linux
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15:09<MichaelP>If i switch off hdmi audio.. pluging into from headphone jack on pc.. just useing hdmi for video then no screen flash
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15:11<MichaelP>I run laptop thru hdmi on TV then into 5.1 stereo !!
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15:13<debian>http://deb.li/IRCFAQ
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15:35<Chav>Can someone recommend a high-efficiency, low-footprint, beginner-friendly caching DNS for a small home LAN? So far I have DNSmasq and pdnsd on the list.
15:36<TobiX>Chav: unbound?
15:36<sney>dnsmasq is what I've used
15:36<sney>it's pretty straightforward
15:38<Chav>is there any one that is clearly better than the others in the ways I've described, or all much of a muchness?
15:39<TobiX>Well, DNSmasq is a complete solution for most things you need in a home LAN: DNS, DHCP, TFTP...
15:39<TobiX>It doesn't cache to disk though...
15:40<Chav>TobiX: just to RAM?
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15:40<TobiX>Chav: Yes. I used dnsmasq and pdnsd in combination for a while...
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15:41<Chav>TobiX: if all I needed was pure caching DNS, is pdnsd a smaller less complex option?
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15:43<TobiX>Chav: Don't know, I found pdnsd pretty complex, but working well with the default configuration
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15:46<Chav>TobiX, sney: ok, thanks for the info. If DNSmasq is simpler, I'll try that first.
15:47<TobiX>Chav: pdnsd has the quite unique feature to inject "fake" records into the cache on-the-fly...
15:48<less>cute
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15:49<Chav>TobiX: I think my use of Privoxy covers that functionality (in practise if not in implementation), IIUC.
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15:50<Chav>the FAQ for DNSmasq claims, "Dnsmasq can be configured to send queries for certain domains to upstream servers handling only those domains. This makes integration with private DNS systems easy."
15:51<Chav>That means I could have lookups for some sites use a completely different set of DNS servers to the rest of my lookups?
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15:54<Chav>Did I get that wrong?
15:54<peter1139>hmm, why would /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules not exist?
15:55<TobiX>Chav: That is correct.
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15:55<Chav>TobiX: Thanks :) Ok, I have a good use for that, so I think I'll use DNSmasq. Thanks.
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15:58<TobiX>peter1139: Missing or deactivated /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules?
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15:58<Blizzbob>if i wanna run debian as a virtual machine, what host system would be the best ?
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15:58<peter1139>it's there
15:58<retrospectacus>Blizzbob: debian wheezy
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15:59<peter1139>oh i see
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15:59<peter1139>it's a virtual machine. that script explicitly ignores virtual interfaces. that's... odd.
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16:00<Blizzbob>do you guys 'record' the chat while you are afk or offline ??
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16:01<retrospectacus>Blizzbob: I run irssi in screen so I'm here 24/7 and can PgUp to see what I missed.
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16:01<retrospectacus>Blizzbob: any client can log the chat if they want
16:02<gruetzkopf>hmm, suppose i have a joystick thats actually a touchpad and give absolute coords for x and y
16:02<Blizzbob>retrospectacus: thx ;-)
16:02<gruetzkopf>how'd i get that to play mouse
16:03<TobiX>peter1139: Maybe your hardware is blacklisted in the generator?
16:04<TobiX>peter1139: Ah. I see. That's intentional
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16:04<peter1139>TobiX, yes it is, it's a virtio interface. i don't really understand why it's blacklisted because it caused me problems that it wasn't persistent!
16:04<peter1139>minor mind you :)
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16:05<TobiX>peter1139: VMs are supposed to have stable interfaces, because they are configured and not hotplugged...
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16:06<peter1139>well you can add and remove them quite easily. far more easily than on a real server, i'd say...
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16:12<peter1139>TobiX, thanks for pointing out the script though, i fixed it ;)
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16:50<ltuna>Why might bash tell me "No such file or directory" for a path that I know exists?
16:51<trico>whats the command?
16:51<retrospectacus>lots of reasons
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16:51<ltuna>Its not for a command, it is the path of an executable
16:52<trico>you might not have permission
16:52<SamB>ltuna: sometimes it does that with missing interpreters
16:52<ltuna>I tried root, didn't work
16:52<SamB>what kind of file is it?
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16:52<retrospectacus>32-bit program on a 64-bit system will do that
16:52<trico>how do you determine your executable exists?
16:53<retrospectacus>or was it the other way around
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16:53<musca>SamB: you think of an invalid shebang?
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16:53<ltuna>well using file
16:53<SamB>musca: or like retrospectacus says, an executable for an arch where you are missing the dynamic loader
16:54<ltuna>I know that it is an ELF 32 bit executable
16:54<ltuna>for GNU/Linux 2.2.5
16:54<retrospectacus>ltuna: and "dpkg --print-architecture"?
16:54<ltuna>pretty sure its 64
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16:55<ltuna>it is
16:55<retrospectacus>there you go
16:55<SamB>try installing libc6:i386, then
16:55<SamB>assuming intel
16:55<ltuna>hmm
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16:55<ltuna>so it doesn't give me an error for that other than thinking the file doesnt exist?
16:55<ltuna>thats curious
16:56<retrospectacus>the loader doesn't exist, like SamB said
16:57<retrospectacus>best solution is to locate a amd64 package
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16:57<retrospectacus>you can try enabling multiarch and install libc6:i386 which might help
16:57<ompaul>,multiarch
16:57<SamB>ltuna: the kernel is returning ENOENT from the exec* call
16:57<ompaul>it doesn't have full coverave
16:57<ompaul>coverage
16:58<SamB>in the execve(2) manpage, it says:
16:58<SamB> ENOENT The file filename or a script or ELF interpreter does not exist, or a shared
16:58<SamB> library needed for file or interpreter cannot be found.
16:59<ltuna>Awesome, thanks SamB!
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16:59<SamB>and our bash doesn't diagnose the ELF interpreter case particularly well
16:59<ltuna>and retrospectacus. i'll get to figuring out multiarch
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17:00<SamB>I think exec doesn't actually return in the "missing shared library" case, though
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17:00<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell ltuna about multiarch
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17:03<ltuna>well hey, it got a lot farther into the script
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17:05<retrospectacus>ltuna: you really need to make pastebins if you want our help. We only have so much telepathy. http://paste.debian.net
17:05<ltuna>haha no no i wasnt asking for help there, i was saying i got past that problem
17:06<ltuna>the current one is unrelated
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17:06<ltuna>some java stuff
17:06<retrospectacus>for next time
17:06<ltuna>alright, ill remember! thanks
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17:06<phillipsjk>dpkg says " xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes)", but I can't find that in /usr/share/doc
17:06<dpkg>phillipsjk: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
17:07<phillipsjk>hush dpkg :)
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17:07<retrospectacus>phillipsjk: dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -> /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/README.Debian
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17:08<phillipsjk>hmm my computer agrees...
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17:14<nickelroy>join irc.perl.org
17:14<nickelroy>\join irc.perl.org
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17:15<phillipsjk>hmm http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting/ says I am supposed to install the bleeding-edge for trouble-shooting.
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17:16<Gerowen>I have a folder full of JPG images, 137 of them to be accurate, and for some reason when I recovered them, none of them have a file extension, what would be the easiest way to add the same file extension to all the files in the folder without doing them by hand one at a time?
17:17<trico>for i in `ls`; do mv $i $i.jpg; done
17:17<retrospectacus>Gerowen: for i in * ;do mv "$i" "$i.jpg" ; done
17:18<Gerowen>retrospectacus: Thanks!
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17:22<retrospectacus>Gerowen: or, rename 's/$/.jpg/' *
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18:28<ltuna>So I need to run a program that uses one of my serial ports and is for 32 bit, but my OS is 64. Could I use the port through a 32 bit OS in KVM?
18:30<SamB>ltuna: that's not needed
18:30<SamB>!multiarch
18:30<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
18:31<ltuna>I set up multiarch, it runs the executable I had issues with just fine
18:31<@abrotman>i get the feeling it needs 32bit kernel access?
18:31<ltuna>For some reason I am running into the problem again
18:31<ltuna>but elsewhere
18:31<@abrotman>oh yeah, i still have a hat ...
18:31<@abrotman>oh yeah, still no chanserv
18:32<ltuna>is the KVM idea actually a bad idea? would it even work, I have never used KVM
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19:05<Chav>I need some advice regarding redirecting search queries using DNSmasq. I used to use the host file, but since I started using DNSmasq this has stopped, and I;m not sure why.
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19:26<Chav>cam someone help me figure out how to use Polipo, Privoxy and DNSmasq together? Serving a small home LAN. I'm getting unpredictable results.
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20:23<Chav>Ok. Any DNSmasq users about?
20:24<SamB>I don't know much about it, but I can't really see dnsmasq and privoxy stepping on eachothers toes?
20:24<SamB>what is polipo?
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20:25<@abrotman>still no chanserv eh?
20:25<@abrotman>oh, it's back
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20:25<Chav>Polipo is a low-footprint caching proxy.
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20:26<Chav>Actually, I think I've determined that DNSmasq is my issue. I'd appreciate some help.
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20:28<Chav>If I run, "dig purple.com;dig purple.com;dig purple.com" from my Mac using DNSmasq as the DNS server, all the results are ~50ms. Only infrequently do I get a 0 or 1ms result, and on those occasions dig pauses for far longer than when it reports the ~50ms results.
20:29<abrotman>rdns/logging issues?
20:30<Chav>I'm not sure what that means, abrotman
20:32<Chav>I've checked, and I don't think DNSmasq is set up to log anything at all at the moment.
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20:37<abrotman>seriously?
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20:41<Chav>abrotman: if it does any logging, it isn't doing it to the default system folder. Or it hasn't had to log anything yet. Either way, there's no file for it.
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20:50<raylu>i just upgraded gnome-terminal:amd64 3.4.1.1-2 -> 3.8.3-1 and it looks like there's some gnome-terminal-server thing now that doesn't support transparent backgrounds now?
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21:30<raylu>ah, i see there's already an upstream bug about this
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22:36<Ensayia>Good Evening.
22:36<sney>hello
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22:38<Ensayia>I'm a new-ish linux user. I did a minimal wheezy install, then installed the i3 window manager. What is the preferred method of having my WM start after I login? I don't really need a login manger so if there's a way I can have it simply startx after login that would be fantastic.
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22:40<sney>well, there's nodm but that would take logging in out of the equation. you can also put commands in ~/.bash_profile
22:40<Ensayia>I have a .profile in my home directory, should I use that or explicitly create a .bash_profile?
22:41<sney>.profile works too.
22:41<Ensayia>appending the command to the end of the file should be fine, correct?
22:42<sney>you may need to prepend 'exec' but it should be fine on its own
22:42<sney>also, any time you're scripting something it helps to use full paths
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22:43<Ensayia>Ah. I was not familiar with what startx even was.
22:43<Ensayia>I just know that it worked. I will keep that in mind.
22:44<sney>yeah it makes xinit sane
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22:45<Ensayia>Odd. Now i3 won't start. Do I have to explicitly install X as well?
22:45<sney>if startx was working already, then you have X
22:46<Ensayia>working with a clean install this time around, apparently it was not.
22:46<sney>but no, not every window manager requires X to be installed, since they can be used remotely as well over something like a vnc server
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22:48<Ensayia>there, aftger installing the xorg package all is well
22:48<Ensayia>I added startx to my .profile, and it works.
22:48<Ensayia>Well, thanks. Evidently my google-fu was not strong tonight,.
22:48<sney>you may need the xserver-xorg-video-whatever package for your particular gpu as well, depending on what dependencies you got
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22:49<sney>X stuff is usually a pain, it's an obsolete piece of software overdue for a replacement
22:49<Ensayia>I'm running in virtualbox, and have the guest untilities installed. From what I understand that takes care of things for me.
22:49<Ensayia>utilities*
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22:49<ixi>I think xorg pulls in xserver-xorg-video-all by default
22:49<sney>ah, vbox. yeah it should be
22:49<Ensayia>I'm a Windows guy so I run in a VM for now. I'm learning! lol
22:50<sney>VMs are good for learning because you can break them and not worry
22:51<Ensayia>I'm doing a lot less breaking these days. I have been distro hopping, looking for a place to settle in. I've done everything from Ubintu to Crunchbang, to Arch.
22:51<Ensayia>Ubuntu*
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22:54<rjsalts>Is it possible to use an "interface label" for an ipv6 address?
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22:55<rjsalts>e.g. in ipv6 I can do ip addr add 127.0.0.3/32 label lo:foo dev lo
22:55<rjsalts>ipv4 even
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23:16<Ensayia>Do terminal colors affect vim colorschemes?
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