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00:04<DragonDon>Anyoen around to help me troubleshoot video driver issues?
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00:10<dakine>Hello everyone, I just installed wheezy on an HP dm4-2015dx and during the install it said the firmware for my wireless nic wasn't able to install -- I've Googled and checked HP's website for drivers but no-go
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00:16<gsimmons>dakine: Drivers for most wireless LAN devices are included with the Linux kernel, but many require firmware to be installed. What device is within your laptop? "lspci -nn | grep -i net" should help to identify.
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00:17<DragonDon>sigh, my system is getting worse....cant' even open up system settings....quite lost atm.
00:17<dakine>gsimmons, Intel Centrino +N/WiMax 6150
00:18<SamB>what are these "system settings" of which you speak
00:18<SamB>is that some kind of dumbed-down version of /etc ?
00:18<DragonDon>application/system tools/prefernces/system settings
00:18<dakine>gsimmons, http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi thanks
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00:19<DragonDon>tries to start then just ends
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00:21<mesoderm>I am trying to use an HP Laserjet 4+ with Wheezy and am getting error "W2 Invalid Pers" ... I've got HPLIP installed and can't tell why it's not printing ... how do I debug this?
00:21<gsimmons>dakine: Firmware for the iwlwifi driver is packaged for Debian in firmware-iwlwifi. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi has more information.
00:22<mesoderm>hmmm ... just noticed when trying to print from firefox that the "status" field in the print dialog reads "/usr/lib/cups/backend/hp failed
00:23<dakine>gsimmons, you're great, thanks a bunch
00:24<DragonDon>I seem to not have the right driver installed, window movement is 'stuttered'. Tried to install the ATI proprietary driver, no change. I have an AMD/ATI Raedon HD 6570
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00:28<Infiltrator>DragonDon: Tried a different DE/WM?
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00:30<DragonDon>Infiltrator, kinda. I was able to boot to KDE once, not really a big fan of it, gnome has kinda crashed here. I can re-try again if you think that'll make any difference but ultimately, there is a problem that needs to be fixed.
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00:31<Infiltrator>DragonDon: Indeed there is; but trying a different WM (try xfce or one of the other lightweight ones) will tell you where the problem is.
00:31<DragonDon>ok, off to a reboot then and see where it takes me. brbr
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00:31<Infiltrator>DragonDon: No need to reboot...
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00:44<DragonDon>Infiltrator, ok, had to install another DE, TWM was annoying to use and that was my other other option....now running XFCE. I had run this DE before.
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00:47<SamB>yeah, twm is not really a cup of tea
00:48<DragonDon>I was a little worried, never used it before...thought the system had gone blank again...hit the left mouse button and saw a menu pop....
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00:49<DragonDon>ok, so, onto getting the right video driver installed here...my window movement is still 'stuttered' and not smooth
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00:52<DragonDon>ok, so I've browsed the ati wiki but still a little confused.
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00:58<DragonDon>while going through and cleaning up my drivers, I am getting a package that won't remvove, http://paste.debian.net/16986/
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01:02<Infiltrator>DragonDon: If you're having the same issue with both the free and non-free driver and in different WMs/DEs, then I would say that it's the card at fault.
01:03<Infiltrator>DragonDon: Any chance that you have a spare with which you can test?
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01:04<DragonDon>I've been using this card for awhile, the video setup was temperamental previously. No spare card, am tempted to buy another one (even though this card is just over a year old).
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01:05<DragonDon>Infiltrator, as for free-non-free, I think I just don't keep track of which worked best
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01:06<Infiltrator>DragonDon: Then you need to be methodical and systematic about testing it. :)
01:06<Infiltrator>Also, if it's dodgy after only just a year, surely it's still under warranty?
01:07<DragonDon>Infiltrator, yeah....I've noticed that every time I try to find a method for doing so, there never seems to be one. I do my best to track info I find by keeping pages/details stored in Evernote.
01:08<DragonDon>Infiltrator, warranty....that's problematic....I currently live in South Korea, so returning things bought at an 'electronics market' area is difficult...my Korean isn't up to par for that level of conversation :/
01:09<DragonDon>damn, can't even force uninstall this stupid package with "dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r"
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01:10<SamB>DragonDon: it doesn't have a warranty from the manufacturer?
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01:11<DragonDon>SamB, maybe, but for the hassle to try to replace it...easier to just buy a new one and use this one in another machine....besides, I don't think it's a hardware issue, just a driver setup issue.
01:12<DragonDon>right now, I just want to clean up the system and start fresh on a driver
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01:20<DragonDon>ok, need help removing a package that doesn't want to go. Tried to force it a few ways, not budging. Suggestions? http://paste.debian.net/16988/
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01:27<Infiltrator>DragonDon: Don't know if this is a good idea, but try removing the file that would be overwritten?
01:27<DragonDon>Infiltrator, yeah, ti seems to be coming down to that....
01:27<jm_>DragonDon: did you check BTS?
01:28<DragonDon>jm_, BTS?
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01:28<SamB>!bts
01:28<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
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01:30<DragonDon>no entry for 'glx-diversions' (problematic package)
01:31<DragonDon>well, their search is horrible because when I tried to search by the error message, I found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632369
01:31<jm_>it doesn't mean the bug is with that, it could also be from fglrx-driver or nvidia-glx
01:32<DragonDon>jm_, in case you missed my message, see above
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01:35<DragonDon>at this point, I really just want to reinstall everything...sadly, the system has developed some issues with my external USB Drive...can't even back up atm ...
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01:39<DragonDon>well, the external drive seems to eb working again....
01:39<dragonious>Hello Guys and Gals, Im noticing that I cant watch youtube vids in fullscreen without "chatter" and I cant watch in HD 720 or 1080p. Anyone know what I can do to fix it ? Im running a nvidia gtx560hd Vidoe card so you know.
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02:31<Moho>Hello
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02:33<Moho>I have a .sh (bash) script that i coded and i use it on /etc/init.d/ but this script isn't a daemon (not now) should i keep it in /etc/init.d/ or in /usr/bin/ (I use this script very frequently : 20-50/per day)
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02:35<SamB>well, /usr/local/bin is more usual
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02:36<Moho>SamB Okey thank you !!
02:38<slush>Moho: http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_2.3/fhs-2.3.html#USRLOCALLOCALHIERARCHY
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02:52<lenz>Hey guys!
02:52<lenz>I'd like to install debian on a piece of hardware that I have here
02:52<lenz>It's a JayBook 9901 (one of those tiny chinese netbooks)
02:53<lenz>and it has a VIA M8505 processor, which is ARM-based
02:53<lenz>How do I find out which debian image I should download? There's ArmEl and ARMFH....
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04:44<Xylemon>Hello
04:45-!-sascha [~sascha@95-89-225-70-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #debian
04:46<Xylemon>I'm new to Debian and Linux and was wondering if anyone could offer some help?
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04:47<Nemoder>!ask
04:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:48<sascha>Hey guys, I'm using XFCE. Can someone tell me how I can change the theme of the network-manager-applet? It seems to be no GTK application
04:49<sascha>Same for the window that pops up when I have to give root permissions to an application
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04:52<Xylemon>I am running Debian 7.1 with KDE and I can't seem to install updates or certain programs due to the fact it's try to use my Debian installation disc as a repo. I opened Apper and tried to deselect the cdrom in "Software Origins" but it always checks it self back. What can I do to solve this?
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04:53<kampret>mn
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04:54<petn-randall>sascha: It should be a GTK application, check if you accidently have network-manager-kde installed
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04:55<sascha>Xylemon, can you show us the content of /etc/apt/sources.list? you can use this http://paste.debian.net/
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04:56<sascha>petn-randall, nope...could it be a problem with the theme itself? I'm using the clearlooks theme
04:58<sascha>Maybe someone using xfce here can confirm this? The theme someone doesn't apply to that applet
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04:59<Xylemon>Ah ha! It brought up Software Sources and I was able to finally deselect it! Don't know why I couldn't find the application before
04:59<Xylemon>thanks for the help
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05:00<Calinou>isn't it unselected by default anyway
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05:02<sascha>Calinou, actually I had the same problem than Xylon when I was setting up my Debian. I was uncommenting it manually in the sources.list though
05:04<lenz>How do I find out which debian image I should download? There's ArmEl and ARMFH....
05:04<lenz>I'm running a VIA M8505 processor
05:04<lenz>its ARM9
05:05<Calinou>try ARMHF
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07:16<hamed>I just make mpich* from source and I want uninstall it. Any suggestion?
07:16<stdhell>"make uninstall" might work.
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07:27<inspiron>server irc.dal.net
07:27<inspiron>server irc.dal.net
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07:33<Mammutpanzer>Hello great community. I got a table (Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1). I read somewhere (sorry forgot where I read so many pages the last week) that you can install debian on your tablet. Is this true, does anyone have any experience with it?
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07:37<less>I'd Google for "debian Samsung Galaxy", but that's just me. ;-)
07:37<Calinou>Mammutpanzer: nope
07:37<Calinou>keep its supposed-to-run OS on it or expect a lot of problems
07:38<Calinou>also, bad tablet choice 8)
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07:40<Mammutpanzer>1. Calinou no open source OS for tablets? (I read Ubuntu tablet comes out but that is 2014) 2. What tablet do you suggest?
07:40<Calinou>android is open source-ish
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07:40<Calinou>Mammutpanzer: there are better choices iirc, don't know which
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07:56<kaplan_>hi
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07:57<kaplan_>Can someone help me?
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07:58<abrotman>you need to ask an actual question first
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07:59<kaplan_>Ok, I'm sorry. This my question: what should to have my network resources reachable when I set custom DNS?
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08:00<kaplan_>I'm asking that because I can't reach my NAS after setting OpenDNS IPs
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08:01<kaplan_>(it was "what should I have to do", sorry for my poor english)
08:01<jm_>why can't you reach it? even with IP?
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08:01<stdhell>What DNS did you use before? How are you trying to accect the NAS?
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08:02<kaplan_>I used the DNS from my router, I tried to click on "Network", but no response after I set up OpenDNS
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08:02<kaplan_>I can try to ping my NAS within a terminal
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08:03<kaplan_>Ping works
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08:03<stdhell>Your router knew about you NAS (it's name and IP-address). OpenDNS doesn't know about your NAS, so you can't look up the IP-address when you're using OpenDNS.
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08:04<petn-randall>kaplan_: If your local machine uses OpenDNS, it – of course – won't be able to resolve internal DNS names.
08:04<kaplan_>This is what I figured out
08:04<petn-randall>kaplan_: Is the DNS record for your NAS globally resolvable?
08:04<kaplan_>So I can't do anything, I guess
08:04<petn-randall>kaplan_: What is the domain name of your NAS?
08:05<petn-randall>kaplan_: more exactly, what's the FQDN?
08:05<stdhell>If you can, change the DNS settings in your router so it uses OpenDNS, then change your client back to using your router as DNS.
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08:06<stdhell>The router would then resolve "nas.local" (or whatever), but would forward the request for debian.org (or whatever) to OpenDNS.
08:06<kaplan_>stdhell: I got it, but I can't change the DNS setting in my router
08:06<stdhell>Ok... Another solution would be to put nas.local and the IP-address in your /etc/hosts
08:07<kaplan_>stdhell: Ok, where ".local" is my local domain name, right?
08:07<stdhell>But you would have to do that on all your clients. :-/
08:07<stdhell>Yes.
08:07<stdhell>And "nas" is the name of the NAS.
08:07<stdhell>:-)
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08:07<kaplan_>Ok
08:08<kaplan_>petn-randall: I'm trying to answer you
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08:09<kaplan_>petn-randall: Ok, it's "homenet.telecomit.it"
08:09<kaplan_>so If I'm right
08:10<kaplan_>i should put something like "nasname.homenet.telecomit.it", NAS Ip address in /etc/hosts
08:11<stdhell>You can put whatever you want to call your NAS in that file.
08:11<kaplan_>Got it, I'm giving it a try
08:11<kaplan_>Stay tuned
08:11<kaplan_>:)
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08:15<kaplan_>It works!
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08:15<kaplan_>Thank you, guys
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08:15<kaplan_>I'm a sort of noob, lol
08:15<stdhell>No problem.
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08:16<kaplan_>Well, have a nice day or whatever
08:16<kaplan_>See ya!
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08:29<DragonDon>seems I have a broken package that is completely stopping me from installing/removing anything else. glx-diversions. Aptitude shows a 'nvidisa-installer-cleanup(UNSATISIFIED)'. Don't know why that's there at all, got an AMD/ATI card.
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08:32<DragonDon>full error message: http://paste.debian.net/17061/
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08:49<SynrG>DragonDon: that's in contrib. do you have contrib in your sources.list?
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08:51<SynrG>DragonDon: as for why, glx-diversions pre-depends on it
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08:53<SynrG>DragonDon: i.e. since glx-diversions handles *all* graphics drivers providing alternative glx, both amd and nvidia, it needs this pre-depends to deal with stuff that would otherwise break installation of the package.
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08:53<SynrG>(it can't know in advance you don't have nvidia crap leftover on your system)
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08:56<DragonDon>SynrG, thanks, I do have contrib, here is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/17063/
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08:56<SynrG>you're on squeeze. hence, your problem. you don't have it where it matters:
08:56<SynrG>deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
08:57<SynrG>,v nvidia-installer-cleanup
08:57<judd>Package: nvidia-installer-cleanup on i386 -- squeeze-backports/contrib: 20111111+1~bpo60+1; wheezy/contrib: 20120630+3; wheezy-backports/contrib: 20130505+1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 20130505+1; sid/contrib: 20130505+1
08:58<SynrG>DragonDon: it is recommended you upgrade to wheezy ASAP, as before long, squeeze will be EOL
08:58<DragonDon>that's what I've been trying to do....had problems backup because of my external USB drive, now this. I'm concerned about upgrading a 'broken system'
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09:00<DragonDon>will upgrading fix these issues? what is the potential for making things worse?
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09:06<DragonDon>sorry, forgot to tag you SynrG
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09:06<SynrG>DragonDon: didn't you just read? make sure your squeeze-backports has contrib. it does not.
09:07<SynrG>hence, your problem.
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09:07<SynrG>as for 'broken', how do you mean? (other than this issue)
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09:08<DragonDon>my video driver took a dump, my windows move with a 'stutter', this issue obviously...but at least I think I got everything all backed up....tempted to just install fresh.
09:09<SynrG>possibly the glx stuff is broken and you've fallen back to VESA?
09:09<SynrG>you would be able to tell by examining /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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09:09<SynrG>in any case, i see no compelling reason to reinstall
09:09<SynrG>just forge ahead
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09:11<SynrG>if you're on VESA because of glx brokenness, that's ultimately due to your glx alternatives being broken ... then yeah, you're going to have a bunch of crappy video-related issues. and yes, after the upgrade, things should be better for you.
09:11<SynrG>incidentally, depending on your gfx card, you might just want to dump the fglrx crap and use xorg's radeon driver instead.
09:11<DragonDon>ok....forging on ahead....
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09:13<DragonDon>This site shows it working with fglrx http://www.linux-hardware-guide.com/2012-10-26-sapphire-radeon-hd6570
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09:17<SynrG>DragonDon: northern islands works fine with the radeon driver
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09:18<DragonDon>I added the line you suggested, but now getting a duplicate error message, http://paste.debian.net/17065/
09:18<SynrG>DragonDon: i think i just had to use a kernel backport for wheezy and that was about it
09:18<SynrG>i didn't suggest any line
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09:19<SynrG>i quoted the *bad* line from your own paste
09:19<SynrG>and noted you didn't have 'contrib' in it
09:19<SynrG>i didn't think i had to spell out what the *good* line should look like :)
09:19<DragonDon>ah, that was not clear....
09:20<SynrG>compare line 18 of http://paste.debian.net/17063/ with lines 7 and 10
09:20<SynrG>then update it to look like the others (adding contrib, and if you like, non-free)
09:21<SynrG>likewise, look at lines 14 and 15 where you also fail to add contrib & non-free even though you have these elsewhere
09:21<SynrG>in general, if it's a standard debian repo and you add these other archive areas, you want to add them to *all* other lines (take care: third-party repos may not all have these)
09:22<DragonDon>ah, thanks.
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09:22<SynrG>certainly everything down to line 18 (minus the cdrom line, which probably shouldn't even be there anymore) ...
09:22<SynrG>should support it
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09:24<DragonDon>yay, update went just fine now. thanks again
09:24<SynrG>np
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09:25<DragonDon>but still can't run apt-get upgrade.....glx-diversions still blocked....so dist-upgrade then?
09:25<SynrG>sure
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09:25<sml>I'd like to install a 3.10 kernel. do i just add lines to sid repo ?
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09:26<TheMike>I'm trying to understand the advice for packaging webapps given at http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ch-issues.html -- am I reading this correctly that architecture-independent Perl CGI scripts should go in /usr/share/$package?
09:26<DragonDon>SynrG, it's "apt-get dist-upgrade" right?
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09:27<DragonDon>can't even do that, same error, http://paste.debian.net/17067/
09:28<pavi>I have a problem with my wireless driver broadcom 4313
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09:28<pavi>I am unable to install firmware-brcm80211 as mentioned in http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 . Its saying trying to overwrite '/lib/firmware/brcm/bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw', which is also in package linux-firmware
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09:29<DragonDon>pavi, why are you looking at the 8021? Here lists the 4313 specifically, http://wiki.debian.org/wl
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09:30<pavi>DragonDon, it also says 4313 is compatible with it , isnt it correct ?
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09:30<pavi>Or is the wiki page wrong ?
09:30<gsimmons>DragonDon: The BCM4313 is supported by multiple drivers.
09:31<DragonDon>gsimmons, ah....well, I'd just follow the /wl page....seems nice and simple.
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09:31<gsimmons>pavi: Debian has no "linux-firmware" package. Have you installed this from another distribution, such as Ubuntu?
09:32<pavi>gsimmons, I am using Kanotix which is "almost " wheezy .
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09:32<DragonDon>pavi, is there a reason why you don't wish to follow the wiki link I listed? Just curious.
09:33<Apollo>pavi: Kanotix isnt debian
09:33<Apollo>!derivatives
09:33<dpkg>derivatives is probably <Knoppix>, <Ubuntu>, <Libranet>, <Corel>/<Xandros>, <Stormix>, <Progeny>, <Linspire>, <DamnSmallLinux>, <Kurumin>, <Agnula>, <Xebian> and many others, or see http://mako.cc/talks/20050418-customizing_debian/customizing_debian_slides/img1.html, or ask me about <dfd>, <cdd>
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09:33<pavi>DragonDon, yes following it .
09:33<Apollo>!tell pavi about not debian
09:33<pavi>Apollo, sorry , yes I asked in their channel , didnt get support there, so came back to the parent
09:33<Apollo>Well, we can't help you here either
09:34<pavi>Apollo, sure .
09:34<DragonDon>pavi, your best bet is either waiting on their channel or finding a forum
09:35<pavi>DragonDon, yeah sure , will wait for their answer . I will also follow the instructions in debian wiki .
09:35<DragonDon>I'llbe bouncing to some forum shortly to try to get this thing upgraded....
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09:36<sml>is there a small guide (from one of the bots?) on how to run a Sid kernel in Wheezy? Or am I best off asking in #debian-next ?
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09:42<sml>!bpo
09:42<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable and oldstable distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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09:43<DragonDon>SynrG, Aptitude is showing me this: http://i.imgur.com/oVP1jSY.png
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09:52<protoss1976>http://xdcc_X1374241537
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10:15<roy_>!bdo kernel
10:15<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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11:08<boomkin>hey i'm trying to dual boot debian wheezy with win 7, now i have installed win 7 and am now in the process of installing debian from cf card and when it gets to partitioning the hard drive it is not showing the windows 7 partition
11:08<boomkin>any ideas?
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11:09<boomkin>it is just showing the full 1TB as free pace
11:09<boomkin>space
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11:15<peter1139>MBR/GPT mixup?
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11:17<boomkin>yeah
11:18<boomkin>perhap
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11:19<retrospectacus>(will debian-installer resize your windoz partition or do you still need to do that separately first?)
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11:23<boomkin>fuck
11:23<boomkin>does that mean i have to delete GPT partition
11:23<boomkin>convert to MBR
11:23<boomkin>then reinstall windows?
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11:23<boomkin>then start again?
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11:24<retrospectacus>I don't think so. See what you can find in windows re: resizing partition
11:24<boomkin>am not sure how all this new shit works i guess ill have to read up :|
11:24<retrospectacus>I don't believe d-i has a problem with GPT
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11:24<retrospectacus>!gpt
11:24<dpkg>GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/
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11:25<boomkin>hmmm
11:25<boomkin>so i guess the wheezy installer uses fdisk?
11:26<boomkin>thats why its not detecting?
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11:26<retrospectacus>unknown my friend. Maybe someone else here knows!
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11:31<bluewater>boomkin: use gdisk ( apt-get install gdisk)
11:31<retrospectacus>(he doesn't have debian yet)
11:31<boomkin>yeah
11:32<boomkin>i'm in the install stage
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11:32<boomkin>time was
11:32<boomkin>you installed windows
11:32<boomkin>then you installed linux
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11:32<boomkin>and you would configure the partitions through linux
11:32<boomkin>by resizing windows
11:32<boomkin>to fit linux
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11:32<retrospectacus>!enter
11:32<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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11:34<boomkin>but now it is not showing that there is any window installation, just whole disk free
11:34<retrospectacus>boomkin: you should try to resize the drive from within windows with the disk management thing
11:34<boomkin>yeah ok i will have a look thanks
11:35<retrospectacus>boomkin: or get another live CD that has that functionality, like partedmagic
11:35<bluewater>gparted should also have gdisk on its iso.. ( it is wise to use something like the gparted.iso for partitioning then shutdown and boot into the distro of your choice to install,, and NOTE :: if you resize NTFS you must reboot back into MS to allow MS to reread its rubbush (( assume you are dual booting))
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11:36<boomkin>i am downloading another distro to see if it detects it
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11:38<boomkin>dunno
11:38<boomkin>oops
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11:43<Samkov>i run wheezy on and ext4 partition and use an external drive to backing up data (this drive happens to be ntfs partitioned) i notice that any time i download torrents on deluge and set the save location to this drive, the torrents start then drop
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11:44<retrospectacus>Samkov: deluge can't create temp/hidden/whatever files on ntfs - the FS doesn't support it
11:44<Samkov>but if i save it on my itnernal disk or anywhere else (flash drive whatever) they download just fine, the gnome-disk-utility says that my external disk is healthy, im just confused
11:44<Samkov>ahhhhh thats it :/
11:44<retrospectacus>Samkov: just have them download to ext4 then move there
11:45<Samkov>what would an alternative be? i mean i could do fat32 right?
11:45<retrospectacus>fat32 won't work either
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11:47<Samkov>so no alternatives then really?
11:47<SynrG>or else layer a filesystem on top somehow that supports hidden files? theoretical possibility ...
11:48<SynrG>don't know if such a thing exists
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11:58<SynrG>take smb unix extensions, for example. if samba can implement those on an underlying non-unix filesystem in a filesystem-native way ...
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11:59<SynrG>it might be possible to represent those hidden files on your ntfs via cifs. i am not a cifs expert, though. and i know even less about ntfs :)
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13:00<dragonious>hey guys and gals, Is there a special irc to goto to get help with Nvidia questions and Flash?
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13:02<dragonious>I'm also getting a warning on boot about pulseaudio being cinfigured wrong
13:02<dragonious>??
13:03<retrospectacus>!ask
13:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:05<dragonious>Thanx retrospectacus, So to be more to the point I'm getting video chatter in fullscreen mode and I can't watch videos in hd. Im running a Nvidia GTX560HD card on Debian Wheezy.
13:06<musca>dragonious: #nvidia on freenode.net
13:06<dragonious>musca thank you. ;p
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13:07<retrospectacus>dragonious: flash is crap. Do regular videos work? e.g. mplayer -fullscreen foo.avi
13:07<retrospectacus>mplayer -fs foo.avi
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13:09<dragonious>retrospectacus yes reagular videos work on youtube upto 480p
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13:09<dragonious>sorry I just woke and cant type for crap to begin with
13:09<kristianpaul>Hi
13:09<retrospectacus>I didn't ask about youtube
13:09<kristianpaul>How i do query a package license by command line?
13:10<dragonious>retrospectacus My appologies, I haven't tried a non internet video.
13:10<retrospectacus>kristianpaul: read /usr/share/doc/*/copyright ?
13:11<kristianpaul>hmm but there is not a dpkg-* apt-* tool that sumarizes?
13:11<kristianpaul>good idea btw !
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13:12<kristianpaul>but once is debian package license and what about upstream license
13:12<retrospectacus>dragonious: what video driver &version, what flash player &version ?
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13:13<dragonious>retrospectacus my Tutorial videos (non Internet) do seem to play fine fullscreen, so it must be an internet issue. and How do I check to find out my versions?
13:14<dragonious>This is a fresh install of Wheezy only thing I did was add gnome desktop to it
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13:15<dragonious>retrospectacus I may not even have flash installed because I cant watch live streaming video from my news sites either.
13:16<retrospectacus>dragonious: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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13:16<retrospectacus>dragonious: if it can't find it enable contrib in sources.list and apt-get update
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13:19<dragonious>ok says there is no is=nstallation candidate so I will need to enable contrib in sources.list so how would I do that
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13:20<retrospectacus>dragonious: as root, edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
13:20<retrospectacus>dragonious: e.g. sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:20<retrospectacus>dragonious: locate the line which looks like deb <some url> wheezy main
13:21<retrospectacus>dragonious: type " contrib" on the end
13:21<retrospectacus>dragonious: so it looks like deb <some url> wheezy main contrib
13:21<retrospectacus>press Ctrl-X to exit nano, press Y to approve save changes, enter to approve the filename
13:22<retrospectacus>dragonious: then as root run apt-get update
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13:23<dragonious>ok How do I save the file and exit from nano
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13:23<retrospectacus>dragonious: just like I said
13:24<retrospectacus>dragonious: or, by reading the keystroke menu on the bottom (^ means Ctrl)
13:24<retrospectacus>menu/legend
13:24<dragonious>retrospectacus I have edited the line as you said now I need to save it and return to terminal, do I write out or justify?
13:24<dragonious>or just exit will that save it
13:24<retrospectacus>write out then exit, or just exit
13:25<retrospectacus>it will ask if you want to save.
13:25<dragonious>Thank you
13:25<dragonious>apt-get update
13:25<dragonious>lol wrong damned place
13:25<dragonious>ok thats done
13:26<retrospectacus>dragonious: now apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
13:26<retrospectacus>restart your browser and flash should work better
13:27<dragonious>retrospectacus thank you its getting flash now.
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13:28<dragonious>retrospectacus looks like it downloaded it but didnt install it
13:29<retrospectacus>why do you think it didn't
13:29<dragonious>/tmp/flashplugin-nonfree.BsZCrHo7ws/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz' saved [7233858/7233858]
13:29<dragonious>It says saved
13:30<retrospectacus>so? then what
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13:30<dragonious>well in a windows environ I would nav to that file and double click but I so new to Debian Im scared
13:30<retrospectacus>you shouldn't have to do anything
13:31<retrospectacus>just restart the browser
13:31<retrospectacus>you can browse to "about:plugins" to see if it's installed
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13:31<retrospectacus>should say Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 or so
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13:32<retrospectacus>dragonious: in Debian "apt-get install foo" is all you have to do to install foo
13:32<dragonious>Retrospectacus Thank you very much it is working.
13:32<dragonious>What is foo?
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13:33<retrospectacus>foo is a placeholder variable, means <insert whatever you actually want here>
13:33<retrospectacus>!foo
13:33<dpkg>it has been said that foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html and <bar>, also read the Etymology of "Foo" (RFC3092).
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13:34<dragonious>retrospectacus I'm confuse, is it a app?
13:34<dragonious>confused*
13:35<retrospectacus>dragonious: it could be
13:35<retrospectacus>dragonious: replace "foo" with a package name that you want to install
13:36<retrospectacus>dragonious: regarding Flash again - you should read http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
13:37<dragonious>retrospectacus so your saying in general its foo apt-get install to get a specific app or software installed
13:37<stderr>Order is important...
13:38<dragonious>so apt-get foo install?
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13:38<stderr>No... apt-get install foo
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13:38<dragonious>Im reading that link you posted ty. and ty you stderr
13:39*Argure wonders if there is a package named foo
13:39<retrospectacus>dragonious: umm no... say you want to install supertux which is a game. Right now foo = supertux. So you type "apt-get install supertux" and it will install - you will find it in the menu
13:39<Argure>E: Unable to locate package foo
13:39<Argure>:(
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13:39<aristoteles>hi, i think i shutdown during an upgrade and now i seemed to have messed up apache2. can anyone advise?
13:40<aristoteles>apt-get install -f says it has a solution, but i get an error 'subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exits status 1, errors were encountered while processing apache2'.
13:40<retrospectacus>aristoteles: the actual error appears before that
13:40<aristoteles>this seems to me like an error when apache2 is restarted, and its missing a perl lib that hasn't been installed yet.
13:41<dragonious>retrospectacus ty for clarifying that and for all your help.
13:41<aristoteles>can i tell apt-get to not worry about the restart error and finish installing everhthing.
13:41<aristoteles>i can paste the full output somewhere, what's that command debpaste or something?
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13:41<stderr>!paste
13:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
13:41<devil>paste.debian.net
13:41<dragonious>I use pastebin.com
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13:41<retrospectacus>dragonious: use paste.debian.net instead.
13:42<dragonious>Ok will do
13:42<aristoteles>pastebinit was the thing i was trhing to remem. one momenet
13:43<dragonious>Added to my bookmarks
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13:44<aristoteles>damn, pastebinit is giving a python error :(
13:44<aristoteles>looks like the apache server's not the only thing currently in a state of transition
13:44<retrospectacus>aristoteles: no mouse there?
13:45<aristoteles>no i have one, i'm going to use it now.
13:45<dragonious>retrospectacus now my adblocker in iceweasel is blocking my live video I can see the video if I stop it and I can hear it but not see it if I push play
13:46<aristoteles>http://paste.debian.net/17122/
13:46<retrospectacus>dragonious: that sounds like something you can solve yourself
13:46<aristoteles>thanks!
13:46<dragonious>roger that looking into it now
13:47<retrospectacus>aristoteles: a2dismod perl and try again?
13:47<aristoteles>my understanding is that restarting apache fails because the perl-mod lib isn't upgraded yet. it'd be nice to tell apt-get to go ahead and move on to the next package and come back to this afterwards.
13:47<aristoteles>retrospectus, i will try that.
13:47<retrospectacus>or if a2dismod doesn't work manually remove the perl softlinks from mods-enabled
13:48<dragonious>retrospectacus I got it thank you again for all your help.
13:48<aristoteles>retrospectus, smart idea. it almost worked, same error type, but this time from php5
13:48<retrospectacus>dragonious: no problem.
13:48<aristoteles>i'll just do the same for that one.
13:49<retrospectacus>aristoteles: cool. a2enmod later to turn them back on (hopefully)
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13:49<aristoteles>ok, now it's the python module. thanks retro, this should work eventually (even if i disable all the mods)
13:49<retrospectacus>aristoteles: might get one for python too, looks like
13:49<retrospectacus>:)
13:50<aristoteles>[ ok ] !
13:51<aristoteles>thanks again, signing off.
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13:51<dragonious>hey retrospectacus what browser do you recommend for Debian wheezy?
13:51<retrospectacus>dragonious: chromium
13:51<retrospectacus>!chromium
13:51<dpkg>Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Packaged as chromium in Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" and chromium-browser in Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium http://www.chromium.org/Home #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net. For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>.
13:52<dragonious>Thank You
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13:57<dragonious>retrospectacus nice im liking this better already
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14:05<dragonious>retrospectacus you sir are the man (or woman whatever the case may be ;p) Thank you again. and Im sure you will see me here again. Have a great day.
14:05<retrospectacus>:) you too
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14:06<dragonious>One more quik question before I go. What are your thoughts on the chromium apps should I use them ?
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14:07<dragonious>better question do you use them?
14:07<mc68040>dragonious: i use no apps, only adblock plus and ghostery plugin
14:08<retrospectacus>I have used them... not for a while though. I just use the browser to browse. I have no reason to believe you *shouldn't* use the apps though
14:08<dragonious>mc68040 ty Ill look into those and retrospectacus ty again for your opinion.
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14:09<dragonious>Thanks again guys you have a great day .
14:09<mc68040>dragonious: and https://startpage.com as search machine
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14:10<dragonious>mc68040 I already use startpage, great site.
14:10<retrospectacus>dragonious: enjoy debian, and the weekend!
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14:11<dragonious>Lovin Debian! The weekend we will have to see about. Good day all.
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14:17<wilfredv>hi
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14:18<wilfredv>wheeezy!
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14:18<Calinou>jesssie!
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14:20<bremner>how can I tell the wheezy install to ignore wlan0 and carry on with the install? It seems stuck (rather it aborts the install) because it can't authenticate with any network.
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14:21<bremner>err, maybe I'm full of it.
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14:25<Rust3dCor3>Hi
14:25<dragonious>mc68040 I sent you a private message
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14:30<Rust3dCor3>any one have figured out how to speed redeon driver for ati (kms radeon modset = 0 in /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf , xserver-xorg packages reinstalled and i'm using open source driver. i just can't use fglrx. no support. (yes ati xpress 200 m). glxgears show around 180 fps (plain destkop. no effects) but this speed is too slow for me (i only aim for low end games or YT videos). Any one know how to speed it up?
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14:37<SynrG>Rust3dCor3: no, but glxgears is not a benchmark.
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14:37<Rust3dCor3>i know. radeontop is not working on my pc..
14:38<Rust3dCor3>i have no idea.. maybe wrong compiled source
14:38<Rust3dCor3>but anyway thank you for reply
14:38<SynrG>you're having problems with these low-end games, then?
14:38<Rust3dCor3>yes
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14:38<SynrG>you have the firmware installed?
14:38<Rust3dCor3>yes
14:38<SynrG>which chipset?
14:38<Rust3dCor3>how to check it?
14:39<Rust3dCor3>dont remember
14:39<SynrG>lspci -nn |grep -i vga
14:39<Rust3dCor3>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] [1002:5a62]
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14:40<SynrG>do you have the right glx installed for it?
14:40<Rust3dCor3>apparently.. i think yes
14:40<Rust3dCor3>2 os's ago it was fine in such config
14:40<Rust3dCor3>until now
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14:40<Rust3dCor3>anyway. should i have xorg.conf?
14:41<Rust3dCor3>normally i work without it
14:41<SynrG>libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx
14:41<Rust3dCor3>already on hdd
14:41<SynrG>no, you shouldn't need xorg.conf
14:41<Rust3dCor3>yes. they are installed
14:41<Rust3dCor3>ok
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14:42<SynrG>do you have glx-diversions installed? (e.g. if you had previously run fglrx?)
14:42<SynrG>if not, then good
14:42<Rust3dCor3>yes.. just for sake.. purged and removed
14:43<SynrG>ok, then if you had a wrong diversion, that is just now fixed? so try again?
14:43<Rust3dCor3>i was trying like... 30 min ago
14:43<SynrG>but if you had, i would have liked to see where the diversion pointed before removal
14:43<SynrG>ok
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14:44<Rust3dCor3>now in eg. tremulous the fps is like 5 in a crowded server
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14:44<Rust3dCor3>on open driver
14:44<Calinou>Rust3dCor3: are you that guy on the minetest forums? :P
14:44<Calinou>that card is terribly slow anyway
14:44<Calinou>it's not even made for 3D
14:44<Rust3dCor3>couldbe
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14:45<Calinou>you're using a 8 year or so old thingy, that is integrated and low end, with an open source driver
14:45<Rust3dCor3>ya
14:45<Rust3dCor3>but i cant get a new card.. its a laptop
14:45<Calinou>AMD doesn't support that GPU since long time ago
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14:45<Calinou>get a new laptop then
14:45<Calinou>laptop user problems :P
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14:46<mdik>hi. i run my home-dir of an encrypted sd-card and sometimes the filesystem goes read-only
14:46<Calinou>(well, if you were using a desktop, you'd also have to change mobo and CPU, since these were the AGP times)
14:46<mdik>is this to be expected. can it be mitigated and if not, how great is the danger of dataloss
14:46<mdik>?
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14:47<Rust3dCor3>well.. on ubuntu 9.04 evey thing was ok.. glxgears was like.. 900 fps
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14:47<Rust3dCor3>ubuntu 10.04 was like 100 and games worked (also YT)
14:47<Rust3dCor3>2 days ago all my os's went mad
14:47<Rust3dCor3>and nothing works and dunno why
14:49<SynrG>glxgears is not a benchmark. please don't quote glxgears fps at us :)
14:49<mc68040>mdik: there's an option error=remount-ro for mount (usually only set for root filesystem)
14:49<Rust3dCor3>so.. in short.. there is no hope for my driver?
14:49<Rust3dCor3>ok
14:49<SynrG>it really means nothing
14:49<SynrG>but yes, game framerates are meaningful (when they are very low)
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14:50<Calinou>I get 30000FPS at glxgears :P
14:50<mc68040>mdik: you can check the current options with a simple 'mount' call
14:50<mdik>mc68040: so i should disable that? how much damage would that do?
14:50<Calinou>usually about 28000 to 29000
14:50<Calinou>17000 with compositing on
14:50<SynrG>Rust3dCor3: take what Calinou says about proprietary drivers with a grain of salt. he's rabidly pro-proprietary drivers, so ...
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14:50<mc68040>mdik: no - check /var/log/syslog
14:50<Calinou>SynrG: AMD doesn't support his card, and I would support them if they gave good enough performance
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14:50<SynrG>Rust3dCor3: if it worked a few days ago and doesn't now, ask yourself "what changed?"
14:50<mdik>rw,relatime,errors=continue,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered
14:50<SynrG>Calinou: you obviously ignored when he said "it worked before"
14:50<mc68040>mdik: the remount read only should only happen when there's hardware failure of sd-card...
14:51<Calinou>Rust3dCor3: if your PC is too hot, it can throttle
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14:51<Rust3dCor3>my pc is cool
14:51<SynrG>"all my os's went mad"?
14:51<Rust3dCor3>but the problem is after clean install of xubuntu 12.04 evey thing started
14:51<Rust3dCor3>ya
14:51<SynrG>did sound like a possible hardware problem
14:51<Rust3dCor3>but only graphic card problem
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14:52<SynrG>you can burn up a gfx card in an incident of extreme overheating
14:52<Rust3dCor3>every thing is fine (or i dont know)
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14:52<Rust3dCor3>well.. that can be an anwser why redeontop shows only zeros
14:52<SynrG>yes :/
14:53<mdik>mc68040: EXT3-fs (dm-0): error: ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal
14:53<Rust3dCor3>ok.. is there any way to check is my card is fine?
14:53<mdik>this is the message before remounting happened
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14:53<mdik>and several buffer i/o errors before that
14:54<mc68040>mdik: sounds like a serious file system error - you made a backup of all?
14:54<deitrick>anyone use the rss reader blam?
14:54<dragonious>Rust3dCor3 you could plug it into a different machine to see if the problems moves with the video card
14:54<Rust3dCor3>i use
14:54<Rust3dCor3>its a build in card to the main board
14:54<retrospectacus>deitrick: assume everyone does and ask your real question
14:54<mdik>mc68040: it happens all the time. i just fsck and afterwards continue like nothing happened C:
14:54<deitrick>it keeps going back to the default feeds
14:54<Rust3dCor3>ok.. discover shows i have a card
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14:55<Rust3dCor3>what program?
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14:56<dragonious>Rust3dCor3 I cant help you with anything related to debian as know very little about it but you could try to stress test the card, BUT if your having heat issues already I would advise against that.
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14:56<Rust3dCor3>i haven't had so much head issues.. max temp was 90C 2 yeas ago but now the proc is 57 C
14:57<dragonious>Yes but what are your video temps
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14:57<Rust3dCor3>only on full hd
14:57<Rust3dCor3>i can watch on 480
14:57<mc68040>mdik: hmmm... i sometimes have problems with usb disks going to sleep and rsponding to slow then... else i dont have any idea
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14:57<Rust3dCor3>any good app for bencharking GPU?
14:57<Rust3dCor3>stil searching but cant find
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14:58<dragonious>Do you know what you video Temps are?
14:58<Rust3dCor3>no
14:58<dragonious>I would start there
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14:59<dragonious>You have a seperate chip for video that can overheat even though your cpu looks fine in the temp ranges
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15:00<Rust3dCor3>my CPU critical max is 120 according to the manuf. but i heven exeeded 91
15:01<Rust3dCor3>it was using wine + 3d graphics long ago
15:01<dragonious>So to the reason Why I came back. I have a Konica Minolta Bizhub c450 Office printer with a Fiery print controller connected via networking. How would I go about seting that up to work with my debian wheezy install?
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15:02<mc68040>mdik: how long you used the sd-card? you know they only have limited life time for write cycles on cells and ext3 isnt optimized for this
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15:02<dragonious>Rust3dCor3 again your cpu temp and video temps will be different you cant judge video based on cpu temp
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15:04<Rust3dCor3>ok
15:04<Rust3dCor3>im looking for some benchark apps now
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15:04<dragonious>Sorry rust3d I cant help you with that
15:05<Rust3dCor3>np
15:05<mc68040>dragonious: you need to find the 'ppd' file for this printer
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15:05<mc68040>dragonious: then you can install this 'ppd' file in cups
15:06<dragonious>mc68040 I may have it already, would it be in the drivers possibly I have the windows drivers and files if they help at all
15:07<deitrick>the issue I found was an already reported bug that makes the application useless :(
15:07<mc68040>dragonious: then search for *.ppd in windows driver... but maybe they offer download too...
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15:08<dragonious>mc68040 yeah was just thinking that Im gonna check the site one sec
15:08<mc68040>dragonious: and about print controller: you usually can use socket://<ip>:9100 and port
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15:09<mc68040>dragonious: s/and port/as port/
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15:12<dragonious>mc68040 slow down you'll confuse me ;p look at the konica support site now
15:12<dragonious>I am looking at that site now
15:14<dragonious>mc68040 found it , its in my downloads.
15:14<mc68040>dragonious: ok - you already installed cups?
15:14<dragonious>mc68040 to be honest I dont know what cups is.
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15:15<dragonious>mc68040 I do know that I have a application for printers installed
15:15<mc68040>dragonious: the "standard" printer spooler in wheezy
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15:16<dragonious>mc68040 yes it is installed
15:16<dragonious>I looked for it in my synaptics and it shows it as installed
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15:17<mc68040>dragonious: ok - i prefer to install printers in cups directly... by browsing to 'http://localhost:631'
15:18<dragonious>mc68040 ok there
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15:19<mc68040>dragonious: is an webinterface - with administraion you can add printers...
15:19<mdik>mc68040: a year maybe
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15:20<mdik>but it's my home dir, not /tmp or similar heavyduty parts of filesystem
15:21<mc68040>mdik: but the journal is allocated when you created the filesystem and written regulary by kernel...
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15:22<mc68040>dragonious: you found?
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15:23<dragonious>mc68040 yes had to login as root
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15:24<mc68040>dragonious: is ok in this case
15:24<dragonious>mc68040 ok give me one sec to print out a setting sheet from printer with the ips and everything
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15:24<mdik>mc68040: ok. that's good to know. do you know if ext4 handles this better?
15:24<mdik>(or any other FS)
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15:25<mc68040>mdik: to be honest, i dont know - i used ext2 on usb devices until now... without journaling, maybe there's something better now
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15:26<mdik>ok. but thanks a lot for general info!
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15:33<kwok>hi
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15:33<dragonious>mc68040 ok I have the information for the printer in hand
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15:34<mc68040>dragonious: then add the printer in cups :)
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15:39<dragonious>mc68040 ok I have 2 ppd's here KO C450opn and KO C450UX which should I use
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15:41<mc68040>dragonious: i dont know, try one and if dont work try other one
15:41<dragonious>mc68040 yeah thats what I was thinking :)
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15:42*SamB wonders why people are talking to ancient CPUs
15:42<dragonious>mc68040 helps to read the read me with the files the UX file is for linux the other is for Open Office
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15:44<mc68040>dragonious: :) you can print testpage from web interface too...
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15:45<dragonious>mc68040 yes this seams to be all working and that was way easier then it was for me to get it working with win 7
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15:45<mc68040>dragonious: win 7???? yopu mean the game loader? :D
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15:46<dragonious>mc68040 nice it even printed me a pretty penguin ;p
15:46<dragonious>mc68040 I go graphic arts here at home screen printing and the like ;p
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15:47<dragonious>mc68040 Do you think I can get Debian to run my vynil cad cutter as well?
15:47<dragonious>vinyl
15:48<mc68040>dragonious: if you find ppd file.. why not?
15:48<wheez>im now chatting minutes after a net install, interesting :]
15:48<SamB>wonder why you have to wait until after
15:49<wheez>is iceweasel just a few days behind firefox in terms of security updates ?
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15:49<dragonious>mc68040 I wonder how hard that would be to find ???
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15:50<dragonious>If I can get all my gear playing nice with debian I swear this home will be windows free in a mtter of an hour or 2
15:50<mc68040>dragonious: ask producer
15:50<boomkin>heh
15:50<boomkin>nothing wrong with windows
15:51<boomkin>it has its uses
15:51<dragonious>mc68040 that was my next move ;p
15:51<wheez>good for gaming offline
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15:52<boomkin>i'd be gaming right now if my new laptop wasnt knackered :(
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15:52<dragonious>Unity can now be used on linux systems and can develop linux based gaming now, Looking forward to some good gaming with Debian ;p
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15:53<dragonious>not to mention the steam client
15:53<wheez>hah i just use xfce
15:53<mc68040>boomkin: i use my win 7 license from laptop only for loading gw2? :D
15:53<boomkin>when i get a working laptop i will have win 7, debian dual boot
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15:54<boomkin>the screen kept going all messed up randomly and when i plugged in input devices lol
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15:54<boomkin>was mental
15:54<boomkin>even before OS loaded it would screw up
15:55<boomkin>mc68040, http://www.mechanicaltortoise.com/fu.jpg
15:55<boomkin>anyone ever seen that before?
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15:56<wheez>lol no but it looks good
15:56<boomkin>lol
15:56<boomkin>i got that about 100 times today
15:57<boomkin>it foiled a windows and linux install about 40 times
15:57<mc68040>boomkin: yes, i saw - when there was a problem with video ram (or driver)
15:57<boomkin>yeah i think the card is knackered
15:57<boomkin>;_;
15:58<wheez>i've had a pink hue all over my screen, but that was because of a loose connection
15:58<boomkin>it was weird
15:58<boomkin>everything would be ok then i'd hit something on the keyboard and it would happen
15:58<boomkin>i plugged in external input devices to usb
15:58<boomkin>it would happen
15:59<wheez>it's communicating with you through colour
15:59<boomkin>they're here....
15:59<mc68040>boomkin: i saw around sevrel dozen times on windows xp here in my company... was always a problem of mainboard (integrated graphiccs)...
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15:59<boomkin>mc68040 :(
15:59<mc68040>boomkin: s/sevrel/several/
15:59<boomkin>yeah first thing i thought was fuck the card
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16:00<boomkin>so i have to send it back
16:00<boomkin>meh
16:00<boomkin>i was hoping to be configuring my nix system now
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16:00<dragonious>mc68040 my supplier say that the manufacturer says it will not work on linux or macos by they gave me the manufacturers name and thier model number for the machine so now I dig a bit more ;p
16:00<mc68040>boomkin: is a new one? i would do too
16:00<boomkin>mc68040 yup just got it today
16:00<boomkin>:(
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16:01<boomkin>gives me more time to read up on GPT
16:01<mc68040>dragonious: as usual... no support of produer :(
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16:02<dragonious>mc68040 we will see, that ppd is it a required file for all drivers?
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16:02<dragonious>mc68040 the machine is probaly the epitamy of proprietary lol
16:02<mc68040>dragonious: not always - some providers (e.g. hp) support their own cups backend drivers
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16:04<dragonious>mc68040 hmmm Ive never called austrailia...
16:04<mc68040>dragonious: the ppd files are for "generic" gostscript (postscript) driver
16:05<dragonious>mc68040 the machine is a redsail rc or rs 1800 that what supplier told me
16:05<mc68040>dragonious: s/gostscript/ghostscript/
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16:06<dragonious>mc68040 yeah I messed with ghostscript a lil
16:06*mc68040 shouldnt drink a beer when online... to many typos..
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16:09<mc68040>dragonious: is a to specific machine i never heard of - sorry
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16:11<dragonious>mc68040 yeah Im not finding anything on the net about it other then from supplier lol
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16:11<dragonious>mc68040 it came with a usb dongle and proprietary software that you have to spend money to expnd the capabilities of.
16:12<dragonious>mc68040 but hey I had a feeling thats why I have a seperate box just for that machine ;p
16:13<dragonious>mc68040 that box also runs my magicjack ;p
16:13<mc68040>dragonious: :( - for this kind of problem i still need a windows in a qemu/kvm installation... in my case vSphere... at least i dont have to reboot every time i need
16:14<dragonious>mc68040 yeah my other box is always on, sux but I get the services I need and no one real uses that box so its all good
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16:15<mc68040>dragonious: so enjoy your debian installation :)
16:16<dragonious>mc68040 yesir I will :) and thank you for all your help it is appreciated
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16:16<mc68040>dragonious: and put pressure on suppliers wherever you can - like i do :)
16:16<dragonious>now to find a decent time waster/video game to play on Debian :)
16:17<dragonious>mc68040 I plan to I just have figure out how to call australia and what time its is there lol
16:18<mc68040>dragonious: better try mail...
16:18<dragonious>mc68040 your probably right;p good day to you kind sir .
16:18<mc68040>dragonious: illinois is around 12 hours different timezome...
16:19<mc68040>dragonious: heiiii - no "sir" here ;)
16:19<dragonious>mc68040 so I might wanna wait till about 8pm here to call or Im gonna get an answering machine lol
16:19<mc68040>dragonious: and here where i am is 22:19 local time :D
16:21<dragonious>I was trying to see where you are but to no avail lol
16:22<mc68040>dragonious: "rescpect privacy" ;)
16:22<dragonious>mc68040 well you have a good day, Im gonna see what else I can do with my new Debian Wheezy delight.
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16:23<dragonious>I'll most likely be back ;p
16:23<mc68040>dragonious: have a good day too
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16:30<gato>hi, how can I configure desktop items/icons to be opened with a single click in xfce 4.8 (debian wheezy/stable)?
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16:33<mc68040>gato: for gnome: there's an option in nautilus - and you have nautilus to manage your desktop
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16:36<gato>thanks mc68040, but I wouldn't like to install nautilus or any other gnome-related package unless it's the only choice
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16:45<Samkov>whenever i download torrents using deluge they are saved to a ntfs drive and everything works great, however, if i decide that I want to put them on my wd external they start, then drop the connections running wheezy
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16:45<Samkov>the external drive is fat32
16:47<retrospectacus>deja vu
16:47<Samkov>right lol
16:47<Samkov>i was here earlier, then i just remembered i had everything backwards
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16:47<retrospectacus>then you remember why that is the case... what's your question?
16:48<Samkov>you had said deluge cant create part files on ntfs correct?
16:48<retrospectacus>yeah
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16:49<Samkov>well my default save directory (where it works flawlessly 100% of the time) is a ntfs drive
16:49<Samkov>my external happens to be fat32
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16:50<retrospectacus>ok well I don't know all the details since I don't use windows FSs any more but I know they lack various features and some programs don't work right using them
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16:51<Samkov>hmmm alright
16:52<Samkov>could it have anything to do with the way that its mounted?
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16:59<dragonious>Ok I'm back, Im getting "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libgl1-mesa-dri:386" while trying to install steam.
16:59<dragonious>How do I fix this?
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17:01<mc68040>dragonious: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
17:01<Xylon>OK I think my iceweasel `CPU leak' may be caused by firebug. After I open and close firebug it permanently uses more CPU until I close iceweasel
17:02<retrospectacus>Samkov: try changing the option in deluge: "full allocation" -> change to "compact allocation"
17:02<retrospectacus>dragonious: what directions are you following to install steam?
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17:04<dragonious>retrospectus http://paste.debian.net/17154/
17:05<SamB>dragonious: !multiarch
17:05<SamB>!multiarch
17:05<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
17:05<retrospectacus>!steam
17:05<dpkg>Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net.
17:05<sml>is multiarch just a debian thing?
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17:06<EmleyMoor>sml: Far from it - similar ideas exist in other systems too.
17:06<SamB>sml: Ubuntu has it too
17:06<retrospectacus>dragonious: on line 28 is your answer
17:07<retrospectacus>dragonious: answer also given several times above. Multiarch
17:07<dragonious>retrospectus roger that trying to wrap my head around it, may take a second;p
17:07<sml>SamB: isn't Ubuntu just Sid with some spit and polish?
17:08<sml>EmleyMoor: Ah, OK. Will look into it.
17:08<SamB>sml: I think there some more terrifying things added too
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17:10<SamB>sml: but the multiarch "spec" is on Ubuntu's wiki so you can tell they didn't just take it from us ...
17:10<sml>SamB: Well they're renowned for giving back to the community after all.
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17:13<blast007>Samkov: if you are torrenting large files, keep in mind that FAT32 has a file size limit of 4GB.
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17:16<dragonious>retrospectacus ok I found what you where refering too and I an now following the wiki mentioned. At the step where he say to get the 32bit driver for nnvidia Im getting this error http://paste.debian.net/17159/
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17:17<retrospectacus>dragonious: to solve this I believe you need to enable non-free
17:17<retrospectacus>dragonious: with the same method you used earlier to enable contrib
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17:18<dragonious>retrospectacus I thought so will look back at that now.
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17:19<retrospectacus>!non-free
17:19<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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17:22<dragonious>retrospectacus thank you again, that is working.
17:22<dragonious>!DFSG
17:22<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
17:23<sml>retrospectacus: the firmware that you get alongside kernel. is that non-free stuff that is also BINARY?
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17:24<retrospectacus>the non-free nvidia driver, yes. it's a blob
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17:25<dragonious>retrospectacus ty again I need to restart and then enable the driver in xorg.conf I can do that with sudo nono right?
17:27<retrospectacus>dragonious: nano. You can do it before restarting
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17:32<sml>how long is squeeze still supported?
17:32<retrospectacus>1 year after wheezy release.
17:32<sml>which was May ?
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17:33<retrospectacus>2014-05-04
17:33<sml>May 4th. Star wars day :)
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17:33<retrospectacus>heh. Guess so
17:34<sml>Is there any talk of a rolling release? There was cuts (or some such) at some point
17:36<retrospectacus>!debian cut
17:36<dpkg>"Constantly Usable Testing" (CUT) is a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html . http://cut.debian.net/
17:36<retrospectacus>haven't heard anything new from that
17:36<mc68040>sml: hmmm... testing (currently jessie) or sid are kind of rolling releases...
17:37<mc68040>sml: depends on your needs
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17:37<sml>a stable rolling release. rather than just an unsupported branch.
17:37<sml>kinda like arch
17:38<SamB>testing isn't unsupported
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17:38<sml>no but you wouldn't use it in critical as security updates do not have same pri as stable. right?
17:38<SamB>it is *less* supported, yeah
17:38<sml>infact Sid is probably even better than testing in that regard
17:39<SamB>when things are installable, sure
17:39<SamB>in terms of getting updates out
17:40<SamB>but sometimes stuff gets badly broken
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17:40<sml>SamB: but i'd imagine these things get fixed quicker than in testing. where they could be a problem for longer, in certain situations
17:41<SamB>yeah, that's why I pin testing and have both in sources.list
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17:41<sml>SamB: not a bad idea..
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17:45<jose>Saludos a los que andeis por aquí.
17:45<retrospectacus>!es
17:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:46<dragonious>ok when I nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf Im getting a new blank file/
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17:46<retrospectacus>dragonious: correct
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17:47<dragonious>retrospectacus I take it im typing it wrong?
17:47<retrospectacus>dragonious: no... you need to create that file
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17:48<retrospectacus>dragonious: or, more correctly, you would create a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
17:48<retrospectacus>perhaps called nvidia.conf - you're enabling the non-free nvidia driver, right?
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17:49<dragonious>yes during the install process it told me I would need to restart and edit xorg.conf to enable the diver
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17:49<retrospectacus>!xorg.conf.d
17:49<dpkg>xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
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17:51<smurf>hey dudes anyone know a good commandline torrent client that supports magnet links
17:51<dragonious>retrospectacus ty, Im reading http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg I believe it will help me with this.
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17:52<sml>smurf: transmission?
17:52<sml>ah that's probably not command line..
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17:52<retrospectacus>dragonious: you should read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers too
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17:53<dragonious>retrospectacus kk will do
17:53<smurf>dont think it is and i only have ssh to communicate
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17:54<sml>transmission-cli ?
17:54<smurf>trying can get it running :L
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17:55<sml>why do you need bittorrent. GoT has finished ;-)
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17:56<smurf>running a gameserver but i need 6gb of files from the install cd
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17:56<smurf>aint no-one got bandwidth for that
17:56<smurf>or UL Speed
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17:59<smurf>does anyone know how to even start or setup transmission-cli?
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18:00<notrev>smurf, try installing transmission-daemon
18:01<notrev>the configuration file is inside /etc/transmission-daemon/
18:02<MrFrood>smurf: if you google "K.Mandla" and "transmission" iirc he has made quite a few blog posts in the past about transmission-cli
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18:05<notrev>smurf, https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/UnixServer/Debian
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18:16<AlexLikeRock>help. how to now if some page.com are hacking my server ?
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18:18<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: you can check who's logged in with the "last" command. You can see if your system has been modified with "debsums". You can read your auth log and service logs in /var/log/
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18:18<AlexLikeRock>i see the problematic webpage its xxxxxxxxx.compute-1.amazonaws.com whit " etherape "
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18:19<AlexLikeRock>look they dowload all day by WWW protocol
18:19<AlexLikeRock>on the terminal comands , only are my comands on the histori
18:20<retrospectacus>they are downloading your publicly served files? that's not hacking
18:20<AlexLikeRock>well thay have a long days
18:20<AlexLikeRock>its stranger :-S
18:21<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: what is your native language?
18:21<AlexLikeRock>spanish (sorry about )
18:22<AlexLikeRock>(im baned from spanish cahnnel for a week :-P )
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18:26<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: you can block the remote IP with iptables if you like. Or do you have another idea
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18:28<SamB>AlexLikeRock: what are they downloading?
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18:31<AlexLikeRock>how to now if amazon are download for him servers (they inject some datas for a him) OR they are normal people with amazon-tablets download my music through serverX-amazon.com
18:31<AlexLikeRock>SamB, my server only have music and videos
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18:31<AlexLikeRock>yestardays i see operamini.net , im sure they are a smart phones
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18:34<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: you can see the remote IP, user-agent, requested file, in the apache2 access_log
18:34<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: what do you want to do about it?
18:34<AlexLikeRock>i wan to now wath file are downloading
18:35<AlexLikeRock>if they are not my music, block with iptables
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18:35<Apollo>/var/log/apache2/access.log
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18:35<Apollo>like retrospectacus said
18:35<retrospectacus>yes, the files downloaded is shown there: e.g. GET /site/2982/07/ HTTP/1.1
18:36<AlexLikeRock>i see, tanks guys :-)
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18:36<AlexLikeRock>its a mp3 file
18:36<AlexLikeRock>:)
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18:40<AlexLikeRock>they say ........." GET /route/123.mp3 http1" "mozilla/5.0 (compatible; wirobot [at] zite [dot] com +http://zite.com)"
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18:41<AlexLikeRock>thats mean the tablets "zite" conec to me through amazon.com ?
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18:42<AlexLikeRock>es incomodo ver la misma ip/ server connected to me :-S
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18:42<AlexLikeRock>it normal ?
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18:43<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: "mozilla/5.0 (compatible; wirobot [at] zite [dot] com +http://zite.com)" is the User Agent string, describing the client program. You can probably email wirobot @ zite.com
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18:44<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: normal? no idea
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18:46<AlexLikeRock>i will wait for a week, what happen, if are temporal or not.
18:46<stderr>AlexLikeRock: It sounds like a webspider for a search engine. Do you have a robots.txt?
18:46<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: I'm still not sure what the problem is.
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18:48<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: if you are serving files on HTTP you can expect them to be requested by robots and the public, tablets, amazon, who cares! If you want them to be secured use ftp or an .htaccess file or so
18:48<AlexLikeRock>:-O yes stderr i agree , i don have "robots.txt" on WWW directorie
18:49<camud>fd
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18:50<dragonious>retrospectacus I just wanted to pop back in and say thank you for your help.
18:50<AlexLikeRock>ok, go it :) retrospectacus
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18:51<retrospectacus>dragonious: nvidia and steam working?
18:51<dragonious>retrospectacus yes it is thank you now Im looking into how to switch which of my monitors is my main and I shold be good.
18:51<AlexLikeRock>tanks retrospectacus, stderr ,SamB and Apollo
18:52<stderr>No problem.
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18:52<retrospectacus>dragonious: nvidia-settings
18:53<dragonious>retrospectacus I didnt even think to look for an application again ty.
18:54<dragonious>retrospectacus ty that did the trick
18:55<dragonious>retrospectacus for Debian wheezy helper of the week!
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18:57<dragonious>Well just wanted to say that retrospectacus you have a great day and thank you again.
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19:17<radioact1ve>pretty quiet for so many user in this channel
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19:19<retrospectacus>debian is working perfectly for everyone
19:20<radioact1ve>ha touche
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19:32<woden>How do I put Debian stable into "compatibility mode"?
19:32<retrospectacus>!compatibilty mode
19:32<retrospectacus>nope, never heard of it. Can you be more specific?
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19:33<Apollo>isnt compatibility mode a windows thing?
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19:34<retrospectacus>I have heard of it as a browser thing. Quirks mode or something
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19:34<retrospectacus>oh right... XP compatibility thing?
19:34<woden>no
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19:35<woden>it is GNOME environment "classic mode" or whatever...
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19:35<woden>so I don't have to use the Activities HUD. It has the classic Applications and Places menu. No 3D HUD.
19:35<Apollo>so not compatibility mode, and not debian
19:35<Apollo>right
19:35<retrospectacus>fallback mode. Choose it at the login screen
19:35<Apollo>but totally the same thing right...
19:36<woden>oh, fallback mode. okay. thanks.
19:36<benbloom>okay, I've been banging my head against this problem for days now: I can't get NFS3 running on Wheezy. I can get vers2 and vers4 working but I need vers3 and every time I try to start nfs-common I get [FAIL] Starting NFS common utilities: statd idmapd failed!
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19:36<benbloom>can someone please help me?
19:37<Apollo>benbloom: do you have some more information?
19:37<Apollo>logs
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19:37<benbloom>Apollo: which logs would be helpful?
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19:38<Apollo>benbloom: the ones related to nfs...
19:38<Apollo>and dmesg/syslog
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19:38<Apollo>for the relevant bits anyway
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19:41<benbloom>Apollo: here's dmesg | grep nfsd http://paste.debian.net/17179/ i'll put more in a sec
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19:47<Apollo>looks like it doesnt recognise the version specified
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19:49<benbloom>the problem i'm having is in starting nfs-kernel-server with NEED_IDMAPD= enabled
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19:52<benbloom>I'm going to reboot the server and try to give you better logs. that was while I was trying to troubleshoot my NFS issues from the client side. I've discovered that my issue is that I can't get nfs-common to start because idmapd fails
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20:02<benbloom>Apollo: where can i find the logs i need?
20:03<benbloom>when i run rpc.statd -Fd I get rpc.statd: statd_get_socket: can't bind to reserved port could this be a permission issue?
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20:07<fcrs>desktop is locked (mouse movies but cannot change window focus or switch to another VT), i can ssh in, i ihink forcing gnone-shell to reload will fix it but i'm not sure how or if this can be done remotely
20:08<fcrs>Xorg is stuck at 100% CPU
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20:10<benbloom>well, here'
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20:11<benbloom>well here's another question: is there a fast (I need to stream HD Vids) and secure (read-only) network filesystem that is supported by the community and likely to work with other devices?
20:12<cae>benbloom: run as root, ports <1024 are root-only. It could also be a mistaken error message for "someone else bound that port" (check with netstat)
20:12<cae>benbloom: HTTP(S)?
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20:13<benbloom>interresting idea cae. I hadn't thought of http because i don't actually want any hypertext
20:14<blast007>fcrs: tried restarting gdm3?
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20:25<jalalsfs>How can I upgrade the kernel to 3.9 in wheezy from backports?
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20:53<fcrs>blast007: i wanted to try to save the windows but it's not that important, i'll reset the display manager, thanks
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21:17<farley>senhores boa noite
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21:18<farley>Hi
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21:19<stderr>Hi.
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21:48<benbloom>is there a way to disable NFS vers 2 from the server side of things?
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21:58<fcrs>benbloom: in /etc/exports you can specify only v4 but specifying either v2 or v3 will allow both, there might be a way using a custom kernel
21:59<benbloom>i'm using a custom kernel now. i guess i can recompile it without NFS2 if that is the only way.
21:59<fcrs>i don't know enough to say for sure
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22:00<benbloom>i found http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19082-01/819-1634/rfsrefer-133/index.html but It didn't work in nfs-kernel-server. I'm trying to put it in nfs-common now
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22:13<ahmed>after upgrading my packages I'm no longer able to access my display manager and using console it says 13 packages failed to install
22:13<ahmed>including the linux image
22:13<ahmed>and nvidia kernel
22:13<ahmed>I'm on testing btw
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22:22<ahmed>I'm seeing a message saying I don't have any space left on device
22:23<ahmed>is there a way I get free up some space?
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23:04<Shuxiong>Hi, I need help. I am trying to build a package from source, but find that it doesn't apply the patch in /debian/patches. So why?
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23:40<Introspection>Hi. What is the difference between the cd and dvd image of debian?
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