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00:49<bla>hey i have a notebook with intel graphics onboard and radeon graphics offboard. in gnome shows that intel's driver is enabled, how to change for radeon?
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01:00<med_>my friends notification empathy does not work
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01:11<bullgard4>med_: I would first check ~/.xsession-errors for a hint.
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01:17<med_><bullgard4>I use normal facebook but when someone left empathy does not display a notification against pidgin
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01:23<bullgard4>med_: I do not understand your message: What is the relationship between Empathy and Pidgin?
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02:46<Out`Of`Control>\o
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03:10<mekt>For a .deb package, how can one see the owner and permissions mode of a file or directory without extracting it?
03:11<mekt>I mean without installing it.
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03:16<weasel>dpkg --contents foo.deb
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03:16<dpkg>i haven't a clue, weasel
03:17<weasel>or unpack the .deb (ar x foo.deb) and look into the data.tar.gz
03:18<mekt>Thanks.
03:18<weasel>(or use dpkg-dev --fsys-tarfile foo.deb | tar tvf -)
03:18<weasel>s/dev/deb/
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03:19<weasel>note that maintainer scripts may mess with stuff post install.
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03:21<cloud9>I have a problem with updating unstable. Synaptic wants to delete a LOT of packages. Can anybody help?
03:22<SamB>maybe try testing?
03:24<cloud9>That would probably really mess me up. The problem seems to be KDE. Any package I try to select wants to delete a lot of others and install quite a number.
03:25<cloud9>Will try again later. Bye
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03:41<EmleyMoor>I want to install gyachi on wheezy... but the autogen.sh stage gives "configure.ac:45: warning: macro `AM_PATH_GTK_2_0' not found in library" and then an error about the same macro being "possibly undefined" - how can I deal with this?
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03:44<fuzzybubbles>emleymoor: you may find this thread useful: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=17253
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04:06<babilen_>EmleyMoor: gyachi is ancient and not maintained. I wouldn't recommend to use it. It's resilience to being compiled should be seen as a strong hint. Just use, say, pidgin or empathy or ...
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04:07<kanliot>test
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04:09<EmleyMoor>Neither pidgin nor empathy has the features I seek. kopete has one of them that doesn't actually work any more but used to. However, the hint will be taken until I hear of a suitable ...
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04:12<babilen>EmleyMoor: What is it you require that these clients lack? We might be able to think of other options that don't require you to use a client that hasn't been developed in six years
04:12<EmleyMoor>Webcam and if possible voice support
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04:14<babilen>EmleyMoor: Doesn't pidgin support that?
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04:14<EmleyMoor>babilen: No... or if it does, not effectively
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04:16<babilen>So you are essentially looking for a video chat client on Linux that isn't Skype but supports video/audio chats "effectively" ? Ekiga comes to mind, mumble for chats, pidgin *does* work and I played with XMPP video chat in the past ... I am sure there are others.
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04:17<EmleyMoor>No, I'm specifically looking for Yahoo compatibility
04:17<babilen>EmleyMoor: I would also recommend looking at https://wiki.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#Audio_and_Video_calls
04:17<babilen>EmleyMoor: You can't just change your requirements on the fly! :)
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04:18<EmleyMoor>Requirement not changed - in some 10 years!
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04:20<babilen>EmleyMoor: No, you said "Webcam and if possible voice support" earlier and I started to recommend clients based on those requirements, now out-of-the-blue yahoo support is being added to the list of requirements.
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04:20<babilen>Ah, well … google yourself :)
04:21<EmleyMoor>Tried - it still seems hopeless.
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04:22<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to persuade people over onto something better supported... unfortunately I've found all XMPP clients to have at least one either essential feature missing or silly bug.
04:22<EmleyMoor>psi has no voice or webcam support but passes the test of "least worst" in other respects
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04:24<EmleyMoor>Will certainly give some of them another try now I have managed to circumvent one particularly annoying bug
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04:29<dinesh>hello
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04:45<julien_>Hello everyone. Please I am looking for some help on Debian. I'm running Virtualbox 4.1.12.r77245 and debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso . When I want to install the guest Additions, it fails this way "Error autorunning software . Cannot find the autorun program" , I don't know why, any idea? (It works with ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386-fr.iso). Thanks so much
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04:47<musca>,v virtualbox-guest-utils --release wheezy
04:47<judd>Package: virtualbox-guest-utils on i386 -- wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u1
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04:48<musca>julien_: apt-get install virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11 will do the trick.
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04:49<julien_>I'm trying ..
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04:53<julien_>I opened a new bash . I typed as root this "sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11" . Bash answered ""already installed to the newest version" , but shared clipboard still doesn't work (not able to copy and paste between this Debian in Virtualbox and Windows)
04:54<musca>you need to enable it per maschine
04:57<julien_>Please could expend your idea? (I understand that after the installation of the Virtual Machine, I have to enable this funtionality. For debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso , up to now, I'm unable to activate this functionality.)
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04:59<musca>julien_: http://picpaste.com/vbox-CX4aFhrD.png
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05:00<musca>"gemeinsame Zwischenablage" means "shared clipboard"
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05:05<babilen>julien_: You really should read the README.Debian of the virtualbox guest extensions. The packages IIRC don't install much more than a .iso somewhere from which you can install the guest additions.
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05:05<babilen>dpkg: tell julien_ -about README.Debian
05:05<babilen>dpkg: tell julien_ about vbox
05:05<julien_>It looks the same than you http://julien.dordoigne.free.fr/guestAdditionsIssue.png
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05:06<babilen>julien_: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso is the package I was referring to
05:07<julien_>I'm trying ..
05:07<babilen>julien_: I don't really use vbox (prefer libvirt with kvm), but you have to install the guest additions explicitly IIRC
05:07<babilen>Lets see, I am sure that is documented somewhere.
05:07<musca>julien_: you link is broken (Error 404), but i understand you know about that menu already.
05:08<julien_>sorry, now link is OK . FTP failed
05:09<julien_>"presse-papier partage" means "shared clipboard"
05:10<babilen>julien_: Please read /usr/share/doc/virtualbox-guest-x11/README.Debian
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05:10<julien_>I tried sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso . It answered "has no candidate"
05:11<babilen>judd: v virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
05:11<judd>Package: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.1.18-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 4.2.10-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 4.2.10-2; sid/non-free: 4.2.10-2
05:11<babilen>julien_: You have to enable non-free for that to work. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list is http://paste.debian.net/17464/
05:11<babilen>dpkg: tell julien_ -about wheezy sources.list
05:13<julien_>(sorry I'm a beginner in Debian)
05:14<musca>no problem, you will succeed
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05:16<musca>babilen: just curious - i think virtualbox-guest-additions-iso is a package to be installed on the host.
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05:16<musca>yes: "This package provides an iso image which contains the guest additions for Linux, Solaris and Windows to be installed on the host system."
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05:16<janith>hi all, how to repair my corrupted debian without reinstalling ?
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05:17<musca>janith: my magic cristall ball is broken, you need to tell details :)
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05:19<musca>julien_: babilen: The guest systems then can mount the iso and install the guest additions from there.
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05:19<julien_>(Actually, I thought it would be easy. It works great with ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386-fr.iso . I click to Device>Install guest additions . It asks me password for root privileges . I tried the same with debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso , what I get is "Cannot find the autorun program")
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05:20<musca>julien_: your version of Debian is younger than your version of virtualbox.
05:21<musca>and Ubuntu 12.04 is older, i guess.
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05:22<julien_>Someone said something over there https://www.debian-fr.org/guest-additions-t44351.html#p445994
05:22<julien_>gonna to try
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05:24<thiagopriest>How do you open pgp-encrypted documents from nautilus with GNOME 3.4.2?
05:24<thiagopriest>just with Kgpg?
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05:25<janith>musca: just a common question. I just want to know, is there any repair option like in windows. :)
05:26<EmleyMoor>Sometimes my script for starting one of my VMs crashes my system when it tries to umount the filesystems - only seen this with one particular VM, and not all the time. Why would it happen?
05:26<babilen>musca: Ah, wonderful! Thanks for clarifying that. :)
05:27<babilen>musca: I take it that the information in the README.Debian of ..guest-x11 still applies though (maybe it requires the -iso) to be availbale
05:28<julien_>I tried sudo sh /media/cdrom/VBoxLinuxAdditions.run . It looks having done something . now I gonna reboot
05:28<julien_>thanks for your help
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05:29<musca>babilen: no need for the iso if you directly install the virtualbox-guest-[dkms|utils|x11] from the repo
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05:30<musca>plus - you get easy upgrading with apt-get
05:30<gioele>hello, what is the proper way to request the packaging a new package in Debian?
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05:31<musca>janith: there are plenty of repair options in linux, but they usually require manual action of the operator
05:32<gsimmons>babilen: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso is generally used to provide guest additions for non-Linux guests (see 'vbox guest' factoid).
05:32<musca>janith: what's up with your debian? do you get error messages?
05:33<thiagopriest>...
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05:33<musca>thiagopriest: Kgpg sounds so KDEish?
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05:34<musca>thiagopriest: i think you want it more gnomeish
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05:35<RainbowW>i've got a list of directory names to delete, and i want to script it, but the names contain spaces. rm -rf "directory name" is correct? or some other syntax?
05:36<thiagopriest>this is not funny
05:37<babilen>gsimmons, musca: Ah, great. So all that is needed after installing virtualbox-guest-x11 is to configure Xorg as detailed in the README.Debian then. Merci! :)
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05:38<musca>thiagopriest: i'm serious, a well into your gnome desktop environment integrated tool is an aqdvantage.
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05:42<musca>thiagopriest: Seahorse - GNOME front end for GnuPG
05:42<musca>seahorse-nautilus - Nautilus extension for Seahorse integration
05:44<musca>(i didn't find it at first try because of a my typo "pgp")
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05:45<janith>musca: the problem is complicated. when I run firefox. my system crashes. now I use chrome.
05:46<musca>good thing - only a partial failure.
05:47<janith>musca: when I switch debian to terminal mode. I get some error messages which are unreadable.
05:47<janith>is there a way to repair my system like in Windows ?
05:48<musca>hmm, do you speak of "iceweasel" when you say "firefox"?
05:48<musca>!iceweasel
05:48<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". Ask me about <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. Since June 2013, Iceweasel in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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05:49<bodhi32>hey
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05:49<janith>I installed firefox from the source. I think I get the same error for both. I wont try again btw. :D
05:50<musca>i understand :)
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05:51<thiagopriest>Open with: $ gpg myfile.pgp
05:51<musca>just to say: installing debian packages with APT enables you to clean removal of such packages.
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05:53<janith>yeah I should. thanks
05:53<musca>janith: did you install with "make install"? Perhaps there is a "make uninstall"?
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05:54<janith>I need to recheck that. coz, I installed it over a year ago. I used it without any problem. This happened after a sudden power failure. That's why I think there is a problem with my system :(
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05:54<musca>thiagopriest: does that command work for you?
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05:56<musca>janith: you think of damaged binaries?
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05:58<musca>janith: perhaps a recursive "apt-get --reinstall install" for every installed package
05:58<thiagopriest>works!
05:58<janith>musca: I don't know. However, I have no other problem. I can use chrome without any problem.
05:58<janith>okay, I'll give a try. thanks :)
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05:59<thiagopriest>Just install pgpgpg package and man gpg...easy
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06:00<musca>cli kungfu rules!
06:00<thiagopriest>by realized what the package seahorse-plugins will only return in debian 8
06:01<musca>sorry, yes, i searched in unstable here. my bad :(
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06:37<thiagopriest>what the best option for use twitter in Wheezy?
06:37<thiagopriest>app
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06:57<jlgaddis>http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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07:34<Azrael_->i've create a custom startup-script for for a service and now i got this process stalled: startpar -f -- mystartupscript any idea why and how i could resolve this?
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07:57<sascha>Hey, I need some help and therefor I need to upload a picture. Could you recommend me a site for that?
07:58<Azrael_->picdump?
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07:59<sascha>ok thank you
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08:08<sascha>I have the following problem: My system randomly crashes with cryptic errors (see: http://postimg.org/image/un2jkrltz/ and http://postimg.org/image/dn9btsbhp/1d7c9de9/ ) . The mouse is still working. Everything else not (i.e. alt-sysrq-k won't help). Here you can find my xorg logs: http://paste.debian.net/17493/ and http://paste.debian.net/17494/ . As recommended earlier here I installed the unfree firmware and the intel microcode package
08:08<sascha>. Can someone help me to solve this problem?
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08:18<Samkov>i run wheezy amd64 and i have been noticing that a lot of games give me a black screen upon and i have to alt tab 6 then alt tab 7 to get back to the desktop
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08:19<Samkov>recently minecraft started doing this and it said that there was an issue with libx11-6.so which points to the libx11-6 package
08:19<Samkov>would compiling libx11 myself maybe fix any of these issues? its so annoying
08:20<Calinou>alt-tab 6 alt-tab 7?
08:20<Calinou>Samkov: what is your graphics card and driver
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08:21<Samkov>alt tab f6 and alt tab f7 im sorry
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08:22<Samkov>graphics card is an ati radeon hd 5700 with fglrx 1.12-6 and the hacked libpciaccess0 package
08:22<Calinou>hacked libpciaccess0?
08:22<Calinou>tip: fglrx is known to suck
08:23<musca>which driver do you use?
08:23<SynrG>sascha: maybe check it in the kernel bug tracker upstream
08:23<Samkov>in wheezy you have to install a patched libpciaccess0 to get fglrx working with the shipped xserver
08:23<Calinou>he said it, musca
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08:24<musca>ok, fglrx.
08:24<Samkov>yes
08:25<sascha>SynrG, upstream means kernel.org bugtracker?
08:26<Samkov>im not really sure if this is related to libx11 or what but its so frusturating
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08:27<SynrG>sascha: yes
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08:28<sascha>I don't even know what to search for -.-
08:28<sascha>I don't even know if this is a kernel panic
08:29<SynrG>sascha: your first URL i can't resize or rotate ... very hard to view. the second one looks fine
08:30<sascha>Hmmm I saved them and rotated it but I can reupload them if you want
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08:31<sascha>my problem looks a little bit like that https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42994
08:31<SynrG>sascha: you don't need to reupload. you need to give the correct url
08:31<sascha>oh...one second
08:32<sascha>http://postimg.org/image/un2jkrltz/ and http://postimg.org/image/dn9btsbhp/
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08:32<Samkov>btw, this was my crash log if this helps at all. http://paste.debian.net/17499/ i think its a libx11 problem, can anyone confirm this?
08:33<sascha>SynrG, it seems to be a memory problem in ext4_da_invalidatepage whatever that means
08:33<Calinou>sascha: bad RAM?
08:34<sascha>I was doing memtest for half an hour. I should do it some hours maybe
08:35<sascha>I have been using windows before for 1 1/2 years without any crash so I was assuming my ram is fine
08:35<SynrG>sascha: you've done the exact opposite of what i wanted. the second URL was correct. the first was not.
08:35<SynrG>you've repasted the first exactly as you had it before.
08:35<sascha>hm....wait
08:35<SynrG>there
08:36<SynrG>pardon, reached for ' and hit enter ...
08:36<SynrG>there's a couple of icons to rotate on the 2nd url
08:36<SynrG>they're missing from the first
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08:36<SynrG>s/icons/buttons/
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08:37<SynrG>and no obvious way to navigate from that page back to another page with the buttons on it :p
08:37<sascha>SynrG, http://postimg.org/image/6khwmglo3/4b8105ef/
08:37<sascha>I hope that's the correct one now ^
08:37<sascha>^^
08:38<SynrG>yes. thanks
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08:39<sascha>So Calinou, SynrG assuming this ISN'T the RAM (memtest for 8 hours?) . What should I do? Coming back here? Doing a bug report on kernel.org? Doing a bug report on Debian?
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08:40<sascha>Someone was suggesting to backport a newer kernel but I don't really want that if there is a way to fix this...
08:40<SynrG>why not?
08:40<SynrG>there is a backport kernel available. it is simple to try
08:40<SynrG>,kernels
08:40<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc7-686-pae (3.10~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-1-686-pae (3.10.1-1); jessie: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.9-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
08:41<SynrG>,bpo
08:41<SynrG>dpkg: bpo
08:41<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable and oldstable distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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08:42<sascha>Why should this even help? Everything on my computer is working so why would new features stop this crashing?
08:42<sascha>If I understoof the lts stuff right then the bug fixes should also reach my 3.2 kernel, or not?
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08:46<SynrG>sascha: eventually ... *if* someone backports this fix and applies it back to 3.2.
08:46<SynrG>sascha: if using the 3.9 backport solves your problem, then you can search kernel.org's tracker to see which one fixed it. you can file a debian kernel bug to have the patch applied.
08:47<sascha>Okay so I'll do a memtest now for several hours and if it looks ok I'll try the backport stuff
08:47<SynrG>i doubt if it's bad ram
08:48<sascha>I just need to upgrade kernel and firmware, right?
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08:48<SynrG>yes
08:48<sascha>and the microcode package?
08:49<SynrG>i don't think there's a new backport of that
08:50<sascha>alright...then I'll try to do that now... I hope it will help. I like this distro :-(
08:50<SynrG>and that's completely separate from the kernel anyway
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08:50<sascha>I wasn't sure. Processor was sounding somehow kernel related to me :-)
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08:56<sascha>SynrG, I found linux-image-3.9-0.bpo.1-amd64 but no firmware backports
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09:04<sascha>oh it's not listing them but they are here
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09:10<sascha>Why is firmware-linux linked to amd64-microcode? I'm running amd64 debian with a intel processor
09:10<sascha>and the description of that package says "when using intel use the intel-microcode package"
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09:16<gsimmons>sascha: See Debian bug #692604. Both intel-microcode and amd64-microcode can be co-installed.
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09:17<sascha>oh I wasn't knowing that this is a bug. Thank you a lot gsimmons
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10:47<Felicitus>is it possible to restrict /etc/apt/sources.list to IPv4 only? as of right now, security.debian.org(wieck.debian.org) doesn't respond to IPv6, and this has been the case for quite some time now
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11:41<takeeverythingback>hello everyone!
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11:42<takeeverythingback>it's my first time in kde
11:42<takeeverythingback>defore always gnome
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12:19<God>what does "Received a CTCP version from username" mean?
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12:21<daemonkeeper>username did CTCTP VERSION for you.
12:21<daemonkeeper>which is a peer to peer IRC command.
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12:21<Koda>anybody here?
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12:22<daemonkeeper>Shouldn't an almighty and all knowing god know that?
12:22<Koda>daemonkeeper: what does "received a ctcp version from" mean?
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12:30<takeeverythingback>somebody here?
12:31<myrkraverk>takeeverythingback, I am, but don't rejoice, because I know absolutely nothing about debian c;
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12:33<takeeverythingback>aha,I just want to take a try talk with other
12:34<Apollo>this isnt the place
12:34<takeeverythingback>okay,it's my first time in KDE and I am happy
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12:50<jesus>hola
12:50<Apollo>!es
12:50<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:57<ManuelCalavera>Hello people. Using Debian wheezy but I have a problem that gnome does not start on 3.2.04 version. I have amd64 with NVIDIA graphics cards.
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13:02<babilen>ManuelCalavera: Does Xorg start? Anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors ? What happens if you try to start Gnome? How did you install and configure the nvidia drivers? Did if *ever* start? If so: What did you change before it stopped working?
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13:07<ManuelCalavera>babilen, I just upgraded from Squeeze and then tried to run 3.2.04 but nothing start, just blinking cursor and I can't type any commands. If I selected a different version where gnome3 starts with no problem. I will have to reboot and see what
13:07<ManuelCalavera>babilen, is written on those files
13:08<babilen>ManuelCalavera: So, you say "if I selected a different version where gnome3 starts" -- Does that mean that you can start Xorg and Gnome 3 when you boot into a different kernel? How did you install and configure the nvidia driver?
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13:13<ManuelCalavera>babilen, Yes, exactly when I select Debian 2.6.38, Xorg and gnome3 run with no problem. On this kernel I have install the Nvidia drivers using the procedure explain on the debian wiki
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13:15<babilen>ManuelCalavera: 2.6.38 is not a Debian kernel at all. And you mean that you configured Xorg and installed the drivers as detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log{,.old} and ~/.xsession-errors to http://paste.debian.net (you might want to use a tools such as nopaste for that)
13:15<babilen>dpkg: tell ManuelCalavera -about nopaste
13:17<babilen>sorry, have to run
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13:38<ilricz>the command 'apg-get -t experimental source foo' just returns an error that 'experimental' is not available in the sources, even though i added a deb-src line for it...anyone knows what's going on?
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13:39<Apollo>did you do apt-get update?
13:40<devil>afterwards?
13:40<ilricz>Apollo: i did
13:40<ilricz>Apollo: and it does say grab the experimental repo from what i can tell
13:41<ilricz>full error is:
13:41<ilricz>Reading package lists... Done
13:41<ilricz>E: The value 'experimental' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the source
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13:42<devil>can you pastebin your list?
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13:43<ilricz>it's short enough that i will just paste it:
13:43<ilricz>deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
13:43<ilricz>deb-src ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian sid main
13:43<ilricz>deb-src ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian experimental main
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13:44<babilen>ilricz: Well, we don't support raspbian in here (this is #debian and we only support pure Debian for a number of technical and social reasons)
13:44<ilricz>babilen: indeed, but this seems to be a general thing with apt and not related to raspbian at all?
13:44<babilen>ilricz: Secondly, that sources.list looks alright, but something must be wrong. Try to ask in a raspbian channel.
13:44<babilen>dpkg: raspbian
13:44<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
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13:45<ilricz>babilen: i did try the raspbian channel, but it seems rather dead at the moment
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13:47<ompaul>!based on debian
13:47<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
13:47<ilricz>ompaul: but ok, it seems that the problem *is* with raspbian somehow then
13:48<babilen>ilricz: I don't see you in #raspbian on freenode. (thought I'd join and help)
13:48<babilen>ilricz: Are you sure you had the correct channel?
13:48<babilen>Either way, lets move this out of #debian
13:48<ilricz>babilen: yes, i'm on there, just a different nick on freenode
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13:49*phillipsjk didn't know MEPIS was based on Debian
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13:51<ompaul>you do now :)
13:52<SynrG>ilricz: you must have a deb line for every deb-src line, or else apt-get -t target source fails
13:53<SynrG>it has no idea how to deal with the release without the deb line
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13:53<Eryn_1983_FL>allright boys and girls i found the issue in log.. http://sprunge.us/fQAY option not used? i just shut off xinerma t see what else it would spit out and i saw this
13:53<babilen>meh, /me wanted to help in raspbian, but ilricz thought it is a good idea to use different nicknames (and not tell anyone)
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13:55<ilricz>SynrG: it worked just fine to have the deb-src for sid without any deb
13:56<ilricz>babilen: and some patience! i was afk for about 3 minutes
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13:59<ilricz>SynrG: adding a deb line for something i certainly don't want to get any binaries from seems like a very bad solution
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14:01<SynrG>ilricz: no, it's not
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14:02<SynrG>ilricz: you will not ever get any binaries accidentally installed from there. it is automatically pinned to priority 1 to prevent that from happening.
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14:03<SynrG>ilricz: as for adding deb-src for sid, saying -t sid or -t unstable would similarly fail if you had no deb line for that
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14:07<aussa>hi, can you help me configure my laptop's front mic, I have tried some online suggestions and can't make it work
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14:24<bla>how to switch between gpus?!?!?!?!?
14:24<takeeverythingback>good question
14:25<takeeverythingback>and I am a noob
14:25<Azrael_->bla: gpu-mining or what do you want to use it for?
14:26<bla>i'm using switcheroo but never switch to radeon graphics card
14:26<bla>i have intel and radeon
14:27<takeeverythingback>I think do not need switch,u just need a driver from amd.com
14:28<bla>i wanna use open source driver xserver-xorg-video-radeon
14:28<takeeverythingback>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video*
14:28<bla>and i have kernel 3.9 from backports and fglrx doesn't work in it
14:29<bla>http://paste.debian.net/17566/
14:29<ilricz>SynrG: adding the deb lines for sid and experimental and updating seems to just what i certainly did NOT want: apt-get upgrade now wants to upgrade 310 packages
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14:29<bla>i already have installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon but gnome shows i'm using intel but i wanna switch to radeon >.<
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14:31<takeeverythingback>try the offical driver?
14:31<takeeverythingback>I think it is simple way for this
14:31<bla>yep from wheezy repo, but not works with kernel 3.9
14:32<bla>3.9 from backports
14:32<takeeverythingback>drop the backports line in /etc/apt/sources.list
14:33<takeeverythingback>then reinstall 3.2.0-4
14:33<bla>no, i need kernel 3.9
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14:34<bla>Azrael_-: what you suggest?
14:34<takeeverythingback>download the .run files from amd.com
14:34<takeeverythingback>./
14:34<takeeverythingback>to install
14:35<bla>i'm doing that =/
14:35<blast007>generally they recommend *against* using those installers
14:35<takeeverythingback>I have no idea
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14:36<takeeverythingback>I am noob
14:38<takeeverythingback>but I shall be with you in spirit.
14:38<takeeverythingback>for this problem
14:39<bla>:P
14:39<bla>this is over my patience
14:40<ompaul>!radeon
14:40<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
14:40<ompaul>don't use the ATI installer if you want it to work
14:41<bla>oh god you didn't understand me
14:41<bla>now, fglrx it's not installed
14:41<bla>the open source is
14:42<bla>but it's running with intel driver and i need to switch to radeon
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14:42<takeeverythingback>maybe need to vi some system settings
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14:44<takeeverythingback>There are people in big trouble
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14:45<bla>now i'm installing fglrx from amd site. if not work with kernel 3.9 so i go to windows --' and fuck that
14:45<ompaul>bla: you want to move to the radeon card all the time?
14:45<ompaul>bla: then I can't help you
14:45<ompaul>you can only do one card at a time not switch between them - also your hardware may need to turn off the intel in the bios or whatever you have
14:45<takeeverythingback>call 911 and they will give help
14:45<ompaul>game over
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14:47<bla>i know that, i'm trying to disable intel and enable amd
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14:47<shikamaru>hi
14:47<bla>ii know that, i'm trying to disable intel and enable amd
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14:48<bla>and in bios i dont find how disable intel :S
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14:48<shikamaru>hi I have weird problem on one wheezy box with my initramfs
14:49<shikamaru>lvm is included but init does not launch lvm vgscan/vgchange
14:49<shikamaru>how can I coerce it to launch it
14:49<shikamaru>?
14:49<ilricz>so, is there a slightly more reasonable solution to my problem than to add in the deb lines to sources.list every time i want to get a source package, update apt, get the source, then remove the lines again and reupdate?
14:49<shikamaru>on another box with lvm on luks it works as expected
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14:50<shikamaru>ilricz: why don’t you version it under a vcs of some sort ?
14:50<shikamaru>then you could have a master branch and a source branch
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14:50<shikamaru>and changing it would just be a matter of switching the branch
14:51<shikamaru>it would be a little faster
14:51<ilricz>shikamaru: it seems to me that this problem *should* be completely trivial, i don't understand the reason apt goes all WTF upon seeing a deb-src line without a matching a deb
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14:52<ilricz>shikamaru: or rather, it goes WTF when it sees that after trying to parse a -t argument
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14:55<shikamaru>I don’t know
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15:06<ilricz>a solution a little bit better would be to keep both the sid and experimental deb-src lines in sources.list and always keep one commented out, but is apt really so unimaginable daft that it can't handle two different src repos without trying to make a complete mess out of my binary packages?
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15:06<andy>Hello, I am new to xubuntu and i am trying to install my new printer but I am unable to find the driver for it.
15:06<andy>Any suggestions of what I can do?
15:07<stderr>!ubuntu
15:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
15:07<ompaul>andy: use the #xubuntu channel on irc.freenode.net
15:07<andy>ok
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15:16<ilricz>it seems my problem should be identical to what everyone trying to backport stuff from sid/experimental into wheezy encounters?
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15:19<ompaul>simple sid backport
15:20<ompaul>dpkg simple sid backport
15:20<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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15:20<ompaul>ilricz: that's as much on that as I can muster
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15:22<ilricz>ompaul: that's indeed the setup i was using before...the problem if that it totally breaks if instead you give the (equivalent) command 'apt-get -b -t sid source packagename'
15:22<shikamaru>about my lvm problem
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15:23<shikamaru>I notice my scripts/local-top/lvm2 were different on both box
15:23<shikamaru>could it be that update-initramfs doesn’t replace those ?
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15:23<shikamaru>just tried to generate another one with mkinitramfs instead
15:24<shikamaru>brb
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15:56<SynrG>jftr, i never told ilricz to add a deb line for sid :p
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16:03<dakine>Hello, I'm having an issue in Wheezy where logged in as the user in gnome, after some time (more than an hour, less than 6) everything freezes. I can still move the cursor and switch to another tty, but I don't get a login prompt, only flashing underscore. I think it may be because of the hard drive spinning down and with encrypted LVM, it's not being allowed to access again when it spins up
16:04<dakine>but that's just my uneducated guess
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16:05<peter1139>it's wrong, but still :)
16:06<dakine>:) at least it shows to you that I've given it thought before coming to ask -- have you any ideas?
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16:06<peter1139>not really. are you able to see any kernel messages?
16:07<dakine>the system is completely uninteractable
16:07<dakine>other than mouse and switching tty
16:07<peter1139>except you can move the cursor?
16:07<dakine>yep
16:07<peter1139>remote login?
16:07<dakine>I don't think I configured sshd
16:07<dakine>fresh install
16:07<dakine>i'll try though
16:08<peter1139>does it freeze while using it or while idle?
16:08<dakine>idle
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16:09<dakine>can't ssh to it
16:09<dakine>got timeout
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16:11<ompaul>does it respond to ping
16:11<dakine>negative
16:11<ompaul>I'll posit you should test your ram with the memtester as you reboot look in the grub screen
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16:12<ompaul>you should run that for a few hours
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16:12<Sammy123>hey there
16:13<dakine>roger, though prior to install there were no issues, the machine ran windows 7 with consistent use leading up to wheezy install
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16:13<Sammy123>I'm a bit lost right now - was so happy to be able to finally get fglrx-legacy-driver, and now dependencies are preventing me from installing it
16:13<ompaul>dakine: well something is causing it - does it seem too hot to touch?
16:14<Sammy123>I'm trying to install via wheezy-backports, and would love to have some advice on how to resolve the conflicts
16:14<dakine>machine has been running since Friday, is cold to touch
16:14<ompaul>dakine: also make sure you have firmware-linux-nonfreee in there for fun
16:14<SynrG>!bat
16:14<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:14<dakine>yeah ompaul I had to add that in order for my intel centrino 6150 to work
16:14<ompaul>Sammy123: see what dpkg said
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16:15<Sammy123>ompaul: thanks, that's going to take me a while ...
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16:18<nadir>looks like identi.ca has changed to pump.io, now i got no clue how to log in. asking here as i follow debian there, but it is probably the wrong place
16:18<lostson>nadir: should be able to login with our username and pass like normal
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16:19<nadir>lostson: k, i tried, failed, probably was confused, let me check my password file
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16:20<Sammy123>I hope this is correct: http://paste.debian.net/17588/
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16:20<Sammy123>I'm unsure what information is actually requested
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16:25<nadir>lostson: nope, i can't login. oh my.
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16:26<ompaul>Sammy123: what does uname -a say?
16:26<Sammy123>ompaul: Linux beast 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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16:27<ompaul>,kernels
16:27<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc7-686-pae (3.10~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-1-686-pae (3.10.1-1); jessie: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.9-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
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16:27<ompaul>Sammy123: from that maybe you can see that you are not running the backported kernel but you are trying to install the backported drivers for the kernel ..
16:28<Sammy123>ompaul: You're telling me I need to do my first kernel upgrade?
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16:28<mammutpanzer>Hello great community. Long story short. I have been using Windows for years but now I want to switch to a free open source secure OS with many cool things. I decided for debian. However I have a problem. I downloaded debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso checked integrity and used the dd command to put it on a USB drive. I try to boot from USB on my computer (PC which should get debian) first. However the boot to debian takes forever. What
16:28<mammutpanzer> can I do?
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16:29<ompaul>mammutpanzer: what is the spec of the machine
16:29<Sammy123>ompaul: Ok. Is this written somewhere where I should have seen it?
16:29<ompaul>Sammy123: pretty much
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16:29<Sammy123>ompaul: Because I figure information like this is advertised at some location I obviously have not checked
16:30<mammutpanzer>Asus P5N-32 SLI Deluxe mother board, intel core 2 duo E6000, 4 GB RAM Kingston HyperX, 2 hdd one Samsung and Western Digital. Do you need more info?
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16:30<ompaul>Sammy123: no idea but you are messing with backports one would expect you to have some idea how things fit together
16:30<ompaul>Sammy123: you can also note that noone in the channel has said "STOP HE'S WRONG"
16:31<Sammy123>ompaul: In some parts I do know that, in others I don't. Who should be wrong?
16:31<ompaul>Sammy123: it's a driver - what loads drivers - kernel loads drivers
16:31<ompaul>therefore you want new drivers don't forget kernel :)
16:32<ompaul>I'm not wrong - I'm pointing out what you need to do you'd be done if you had done it already
16:33<Sammy123>ompaul: As you might've guessed already I never have done a kernel upgrade. With me being careful, I guess it'll take me at least an hour to a) read stuff up b) executing it :)
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16:33<mammutpanzer>Sorry if I may be a bit impatient but I have been trying to install Ubuntu, Debian and it all fails. Could it be that my computer has a virus that slows down the install of debian so I will forever be doomed to stick with Windows?
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16:34<nocturnal>hey I have just tried wheezy on my laptop, clean install of mipsel using the netboot files from my ftp mirror. now I have troubles with wifi, here is my current configuration. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/dcefb501/ I use ifdown wlan0 and ifup wlan0, both return 0. wpa_supplicant daemon is running and wlan card worked fine during installation.
16:34<Sammy123>ompaul: In any case, thank you very much for the help. Also for the explanations, which help me to advance in my understanding of GNU/Linux in general and especially in Debian :)
16:34<ompaul>mammutpanzer: it could be, but how likely less than 0.0000000000000000000001%
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16:35<ompaul>mammutpanzer: all you said was it was slow that's not even close to enough information to assist you
16:35<mammutpanzer>So what could be the issue? should I use a different tool to make the bootable drive?
16:35<ompaul>!ask
16:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:35<mammutpanzer>ompaul slow mean in the case of debian it doesn't even start
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16:35<nocturnal>and the problem is that the card cannot be used with dhclient and ifup does not run dhcp for it as it should according to the README in the docs file.
16:36<ompaul>mammutpanzer: they are not the same thing
16:36<ompaul>!install
16:36<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
16:36<ompaul>mammutpanzer: please read the install guide
16:36<mammutpanzer>ompaul I just tried debian I first thought it was slow as all my ubuntu tries but now I waited 30 minutes and it was just the black screen with the blink
16:36<mammutpanzer>:(
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16:37<nocturnal>sounds like your x server won't start
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16:38<ompaul>mammutpanzer: patience is good, but that is a bit too long - suggest you read that and http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/
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16:38<ompaul>mammutpanzer: I'd hope your machine would be up and at least mostly installed at that point unless it is an early P4 with very little ram
16:39<mammutpanzer>ompaul on my laptop I have ubuntu do you know a tool to make the debian.iso bootable from USB drive?
16:40<ompaul>mammutpanzer: cat debian*.iso > /dev/sdZX where ZX is the drive the usb is
16:40<ompaul>the * is lots of text
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16:42<nocturnal>nevermind I got my wifi working, I had written ap_scan=2 in wpa_supplicant.conf instead of ap_scan=1 and also I think I needed ssid_scan=1 in the network segment.
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17:04<Sammy123>!initramfs
17:04<dpkg>it has been said that initramfs is the new <initrd>. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>. http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs
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17:27<Kayron>anyone have any experience with pure-ftpd?
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17:27<Kayron>I'm not sure if this is the place to ask, but I have a weird issue
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17:29<wompa>Kayron, is it a secret issue?
17:30<Kayron>well, it seems that when using pure-pw list, it ignores the -f switch
17:31<Kayron>created new password file, and sudo pure-pw list -f test.passwd doesnt show the users in it
17:31<Kayron>it still chooses to show /etc/pureftpd/pureftpd.passwd
17:32<Kayron>which is...kind of wrong
17:32<Kayron>I can actually have users active and not know it
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17:34<Kayron>is there a way to trace what file is actually being read?
17:37<nadir>lsof comes to mind, but i don't know it (and don't know pureftp, hence just shooting in the dark).
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17:38<Sammy123>I've integrated wheezy-backports into my sources and am trying to install kernel 3.9 (current: 3.2), but aptitude says it breaks initramfs-tool (< 0.110)
17:39<Sammy123>it wants to remove it and install 5 packages I never heard of
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17:40*jlgaddis hands Kayron strace
17:40<Sammy123>Since this is my first kernel update, I'm very careful
17:40<Sammy123>can I trust on aptitude to figure out the correct solution?
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17:42<bullgard4>Sammy123: If you have never updated a kernel version before, I cannot recommend you using a backport kernel. Stop this endeavour. Get first experience with updating without backports. there is probaly no iurgend need for kernel 3.9.
17:43<bullgard4>+b
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17:43<bullgard4>s/urgend/urgent/
17:44<Sammy123>bullgard4: I cannot install fglrx-legacy-driver without it :/
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17:44<mrc29669>Hi. I recently installed debian on my macbook alongside OSX. It shows up in rEFInd but instead of booting it just says something like 'no bootable disk found' 'insert boot disk and press any key' Not sure what I need to do to make it boot. Maybe reinstalling grub? maybe reinstall rEFInd? also if theres a way to boot OSX and debian without rEFInd i'd rather be doing that anyway. any help/advice you can give would be appr
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17:45<Sammy123>bullgard4: Also, how do I install new kernel version if the only offered version in the default sources is the one I already have? (3.2)
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17:45<Sammy123>bullgard4: I'm probably missing something ...
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17:46<nadir>does one still need to add -t wheezy-backports if installing a package from backports, and if yes, did you use it?
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17:46<Kayron>http://marc.info/?l=pureftpd-list&m=122761174312917 -- apparently someone else experienced this
17:46<nadir>(that error happened to me all the time, when installing from unstable, experimental or backports)
17:47<Sammy123>nadir: Yes - as far as I know it is necessary, and I tried it with that
17:47<Sammy123>nadir: I also tried it from the aptitude UI
17:47<nadir>k, sorry.
17:47<Sammy123>nadir: Both had the same results
17:47<bullgard4>Sammy123: Wheezy at the present time does not offer a newer kernel version. You can use a newer kernel version by using Debian testing.
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17:48<bullgard4>Or unstable. Or experimental.
17:49<Sammy123>bullgard4: So if I update to testing, and then try the new kernel, I'm probably less likely to have problems with the process, is that right?
17:49<bullgard4>Yes, that's right.
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17:50<Sammy123>bullgard4: Thanks for the advice, then that's the route I'm going for. I wanted to update to testing sooner or later anyway
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17:50<Sammy123>(and all that just for steam ... -> proper drivers -> proper kernel -> proper debian version)
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17:51<nadir>Sammy123: as far i can tell the kernel is the one exception where you can install from testing (or unstable) without further problems.
17:51<nadir>if you want to upgrade, ok, but i wouldn't say it is needed for installing a kernel
17:51<nadir>you could also compile the kernel yourself (which mainly is time consuming, not really hard)
17:51<Sammy123>nadir: I want to take the least painful way with my first kernel upgrade ;)
17:52<nadir>Sammy123: that is what i meant -> it should be painless
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17:53<Sammy123>thanks again for all the help
17:54<Sammy123>I'll probably check back at the end of the next week ;)
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17:58<mrc29669>I just installed 7.1.0 on my macbook 5,2. The installation seemed to go well, I let the guided partitioner set up the 50gb fat32 partition I had made alongside OSX in disk utility. rEFInd seems to recognize the linux partition, but it doesnt boot. sorry to spam here but I need help
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18:04<blackdragon42>Hello.
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18:09<magnulu>hello great people
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18:10<magnulu>I am trying to access some files on the sd-card of my android phone from a headless wheezy box.. any tricks? fdisk does not find the sd-card after putting turning on usb mass storage on the phone
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18:14<Kayron>hm.. how can I escape a - sign in bash? \- doesnt work
18:15<Kayron>(backslash)
18:15<mammutpanzer>Where do I find the checksums for the debian.iso files? I found it once but I can't find it again. Sorry :(
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18:16<stderr>mammutpanzer: Depending on what ISO, you're talking about, somewhere around here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
18:16<otak>magnulu: strictly non-expert answer here, I could never get my usb ports to recognise android, so i installed an ftp server on it
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18:18<kanliot>--
18:18<stderr>Kayron: For some commands, you can try "--" after the last option.
18:18<Kayron>ok, -- worked, ty
18:19<stderr>Kayron: If it's the first letter in a filename, you could also use "./-whatever"
18:19<mammutpanzer>stderr thanks :=)
18:19<stderr>No problem.
18:19<Kayron>it was, accidentally created a file called -f, lolk
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19:12<mammutpanzer>Is there a site a I can check if I have issues with apt? My apt on my debian (PC) is super slow while my apt on my Ubuntu (Laptop) is fast. They are behind the same router
19:12<mammutpanzer>?
19:13<mtn>mammutpanzer: what is slow? download speed?
19:13<mammutpanzer>download speed, reading package, building tree. Looks like everything :(
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19:14<mtn>mammutpanzer: well, download speed has nothing to do with apt, but probably the mirrors. the rest of it may be because of the computer itself.
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19:15<mammutpanzer>I have an Asus P5N32 SLI SE Deluxe, Intel Core 2 Duo E6600, Kingston Hyper X 1 GB RAM ( 4 times) what could be the issue?
19:15<mtn>mammutpanzer: lots of things. load, what is running, etc. most likely nothing to do with apt.
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19:16<mammutpanzer>mtn how can I check that? (by the way I used debian netinstall
19:16<mammutpanzer>)
19:17<mtn>mammutpanzer: top or htop. is the laptop a more powerful computer?
19:17<petn-randall>mammutpanzer: The more repos you have in the your sources.list, the slower it is. How long are we talking about? What Debian release are you running?
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19:19<mammutpanzer>Well to be honest the Laptop has as far as I know better hardware. I am using debian weezy. To read the package list I need like 5 seconds for 1%
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19:20<petn-randall>mammutpanzer: What are your contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? Paste it to http://paste.debian.net.
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19:21<less>mammutpanzer: is hard disk performance always a problem, or only with apt?
19:24*petn-randall thinks it could maybe even be a faulty disk.
19:24*less nods
19:25<mammutpanzer>less WIndows XP was running fine on the PC
19:26<mammutpanzer>petn-randall I need a way to open the file to look at it I don't have vim installed and it takes ages to install it (10 s for 1 % reading packages)
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19:26<Apollo>cat...
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19:29<mammutpanzer>Has anyone of you tried the net installer? (just wondering)
19:30<mtn>mammutpanzer: many of us have
19:30<mammutpanzer>Also source.list contains one http mirror for packages and one for security
19:31<Apollo>mammutpanzer: just copy paste the file like asked
19:31<Apollo>paste.debian.net
19:31<mammutpanzer>mtn when you use the net installer it "pops up" a windows where you can select different things like debian desktop, ssh server, mail server I deselected all could this be the issue?
19:31<Apollo>no
19:31<mtn>mammutpanzer: no, I don't see how that could be any problem
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19:32<mammutpanzer>okay sorry if this is a newbie question but how can I copy and paste the source.list to paste bin if I have no browser?
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19:36<Apollo>!pastebin
19:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
19:36<Apollo>mammutpanzer: ^
19:37<Apollo>you'll need to install something
19:37<mammutpanzer>!pastebin nopaste
19:37<mammutpanzer>nopaste
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19:41<petn-randall>mammutpanzer: /q dpkg, then type 'nopaste'.
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19:46<petn-randall>dpkg: tell mammutpanzer -about pastebin
19:46<petn-randall>dpkg: tell mammutpanzer -about nopaste
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19:51<mammutpanzer>petn-randall thanks for trying to help but the download will take a while. I also have to do some other stuff I am sorry for being so slow
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19:51<jeremy_>is this a place for help with getting wheezy to do what you want?
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19:52<Nemoder>yes
19:53<jeremy_>i have been trying to lower my screen resolution, modified xorg, read everything i can, but stuck at too high of resolution using nvidia driver
19:53<jeremy_>at 1600 x 900
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19:54<Nemoder>is it a problem on startup or not until the desktop comes up?
19:54<jeremy_>everything works, want to LOWER resolution
19:54<jeremy_>not an option to pick
19:55<Nemoder>also what desktop are you using? gnome?
19:55<jeremy_>yes
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19:55<Nemoder>and changing it in gnome settings doesn't work or doesn't save it?
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19:56<jeremy_>if i go to gnome settings, only option is 1600 x 900, nvidia server settings shows same
19:57<jeremy_>what method to display xorg.conf file here? pastebin?
20:00<Nemoder>yes
20:00<jeremy_>http://pastebin.com/mWdix6qT
20:02<Nemoder>pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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20:04<jeremy_>http://pastebin.com/YidYYdXP
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20:05<jeremy_>line 161 looks like a issue? can't detect modes?
20:07<Nemoder>yeah it's definitely having some problems there
20:08<jeremy_>is it typical to have a working directory xorg.conf.d ?
20:08<jeremy_>been a while, but i thought it was just a matter of the xorg.conf txt file
20:09<jeremy_>this is a dell laptop, if that matters
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20:10<jeremy_>followed a guide from that reference a generic xorg conf in that working config, also in troubleshooting, used nvidia-xconfig
20:10<Nemoder>it may be possible to override the frequency range, but i'm not sure where exaclty the problem is
20:10<jeremy_>wonder if i should just remove all nvidia, and start over
20:11<Nemoder>I think it is installed correclty but it's having problems with your hardware
20:12<jeremy_>guide i followed: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22
20:13<jeremy_>linie 544, seiko / epson kinda though me off
20:13<jeremy_>unless that is the technical name of monitor display
20:13<Nemoder>i believe so
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20:13<Nemoder>and it could be that nvidia's driver isn't reading the values from it correctly
20:13<cristiancv100>hello everybody!
20:14<Nemoder>you might be able to override it with modelines in xorg.conf
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20:14<jeremy_>was thinking that, not sure about freq and stuff. latitude e6510
20:15<cristiancv100>i want to change my mailbox dir, i have a postfix 2.9.6 + dovecot 2.1.7 mailserve, how can i do that??
20:15<jeremy_>wonder if someone has same
20:15<jeremy_>or, your thoughts on modeline
20:15<Nemoder>I really dont understand modlines very well, I used a website app that generated them for me years ago when I still used a CRT
20:16<cristiancv100>and all my mails was stored in /var/mail/user, i want to change this path for /home/v_mail/user
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20:16<Nemoder>jeremy_: if you run xrandr does it still only show the one resolution?
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20:20<jeremy_>yes
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20:21<Nemoder>then all I can suggest is trying to override it or using the nouveau driver
20:23<rodrigo>ola
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20:24<rodrigo>hi
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20:25<rodrigo>exit
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20:29<cristiancv100>hello
20:29<cristiancv100>somebody can help me?
20:30<Apollo>!ask
20:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:32<cristiancv100>i want to change my mailbox dir, i have a postfix 2.9.6 + dovecot 2.1.7 mailserve, how can i do that??
20:33<cristiancv100> all my mails was stored in /var/mail/user, i want to change this path for /home/v_mail/user
20:33<cristiancv100>please help me, How can i do that?
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21:20<Guest588>hi, anybody home?
21:20<abrotman>lots of people
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21:22<radioact1ve>just very quiet
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21:25<Guest588>i have problema for use amixer
21:25<Guest588>amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
21:25<Guest588>i give that, when i do:
21:26<Guest588>amixer sset Capture toggle
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21:37<cristiancv100>i want to change my mailbox dir, i have a postfix 2.9.6 + dovecot 2.1.7 mailserve, how can i do that?? all my mails was stored in /var/mail/user, i want to change this path for /home/v_mail/user please help me, How can i do that?
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21:40<abrotman>cristiancv100: postfix has a method to tell it where maildir is
21:40<abrotman>(not sure how that works for virtual users)
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21:44<cristiancv100>please explainme that
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21:44<cristiancv100>i need to change the path where the mails are stored
21:44<abrotman>read the postfix docs, it's pretty clear
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21:48<bobthepurple>quick question, does anything know of a decent program to toggle a freeze of the mouse pointer
21:48<bobthepurple>well, not mouse pointer but pointer in general
21:48<cristiancv100>i read about Maildir or Mailbox, but i can't uses them for solve my problem
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21:51<abrotman>huh?
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21:52<abrotman>cristiancv100: if you're not using maildir, you're using mbox
21:52<abrotman>(i guess you oculd be using a mysql backend)
21:52<cristiancv100>not, now, later i will use mysql tables
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21:55<abrotman>so you want to use mbox format stored in a virtual user's homedirectory?
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21:57<carnagevisor>hi
21:57<carnagevisor>getting some error with framebuffer
21:57<carnagevisor> ioctl FBIOGET_CON2FBMAP
21:58<carnagevisor>any clues why ?
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22:01<carnagevisor>tried on an old lap with mint lts worked fine, on wheezy somethin is beyond me
22:01<sprink>Question. Any way to just kind of bring a current install of 7.1 to its default core state?
22:02<sprink>I haven't used this box in a while and want to bring everything back to as default as possible without reinstalling
22:02<abrotman>such as what?
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22:05<cristiancv100>im using maildir
22:05<cristiancv100>but i cant change the default path for emails
22:05<abrotman>you siad you didn't want to use maildir?
22:06<abrotman>cristiancv100: why not?
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22:07<cristiancv100>doesn't matter, mailbox or maildir, i want to change the default path for mails
22:07<SamB>abrotman: I'm guessing he doesn't know how
22:08<abrotman>cristiancv100: yes, did you read the postfix docs? they mention this numerous times
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22:08<HarrYPotter>cristian what about making the path a sym link?
22:09<HarrYPotter>?
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22:09<HarrYPotter>but i think the manual shows howto change default mail dir
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22:09<abrotman>that's ugly, the docs tell him how to do this
22:09<HarrYPotter>yep i just said that he should rtfm
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22:11<cristiancv100>i read this
22:11<cristiancv100>http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mailbox_command
22:11<cristiancv100>but there is not explicit examples
22:12<cristiancv100>i waste weeks in this mail server, but i can't fix it
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22:14<abrotman>did you ask #postfix on irc.freenode.net?
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22:15<HarrYPotter>cristian mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail/
22:16<HarrYPotter>?
22:16<abrotman>or he could read the docs himself?
22:19<cristiancv100>i had this line: #mail_spool_dir = /home/vmail/%d/%u/mail
22:19<cristiancv100>but dont works in postfix 2.9.6 main.cf file
22:19<HarrYPotter>cristian also check the two configuration files for postfix - i could be wrong but i think its master.cf and main.cf might be worth
22:19<abrotman>cristiancv100: have you thought about asking #postfix on irc.freenode.net ?
22:19<cristiancv100>ok, i going ti check them
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22:23<HarrYPotter>cristian maybe remove the # so its: mail_spool_dir = /home/vmail/%d/%u/mail
22:24<cristiancv100>sorry there is nobody in that channel
22:24<HarrYPotter>yes you can change the default directory for main i believe using master.cf and main.cf
22:24<HarrYPotter>ya cristian i will try and help you
22:24<HarrYPotter>ignore abortman
22:24<HarrYPotter>i am helping you
22:25<cristiancv100>sorry but this message appears: warning: /etc/postfix/main.cf: unused parameter: mail_spool_dir=/home/vmail/%d/%u/mail
22:25<HarrYPotter>yes because i think you wrote it wrong
22:25<HarrYPotter>i think its
22:25<cristiancv100>im using dovecot 2.1.7 and postfix 2.9.6
22:25<abrotman>cristiancv100: that channe is on freenode, and yes there are people there
22:26<HarrYPotter>kk maybe inside master.cf
22:26<abrotman>seriously?
22:26*abrotman gets his popcorn
22:27<HarrYPotter>there should be a line like flags=
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22:28<cristiancv100>i dont understand this message:
22:28<cristiancv100>ChanServ quita OP de a cristiancv100
22:28<HarrYPotter>cristian before i continue to search the documentation for you lol - have you tried making a link
22:28<cristiancv100>-ChanServ- Deopped you on channel #postfix because it is registered with channel services
22:28<cristiancv100>-ChanServ- and you are not a CHANOP on its access list.
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22:29<HarrYPotter>what
22:29<abrotman>cristiancv100: ON FREENODE
22:29<abrotman>jeez
22:29<HarrYPotter>abrotman are you like trying to be a jerk
22:29<HarrYPotter>?
22:29<abrotman>cristiancv100: this is irc.oftc.net .. #postfix is on irc.freenode.net
22:29<HarrYPotter>its a chatroom
22:29<HarrYPotter>jesus
22:29<HarrYPotter>some people are new to debian
22:29<HarrYPotter>duhhhh
22:29<abrotman>this isn't really a Debian problem, and he'd be better served by #postfix
22:30<abrotman>duhhhh
22:30<abrotman>you're clearly not sure of the advice you're giving him ..
22:30<HarrYPotter>and lastly debian contains postfix in there boot so it should be a-part of your stinking chat room ! douche bag
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22:30<HarrYPotter>how about abrotman u just stay silent
22:30<HarrYPotter>and let me try and help him
22:30<abrotman>so it should be okay for you to mess up his box because neither of you have a clue what you're doing?
22:30<HarrYPotter>douche
22:30<cristiancv100>how can i explain me, there is no body in #postfix
22:31<HarrYPotter>cristian
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22:31<abrotman>cristiancv100: /server irc.freenode.net
22:31<HarrYPotter>just ignore abrotman
22:31<HarrYPotter>he is acting stupid
22:31<HarrYPotter>stfu abrotman
22:31<HarrYPotter>im helping him
22:31<HarrYPotter>jesus
22:31<abrotman>no, you're not
22:31<HarrYPotter>K
22:31<cristiancv100>#dovecot channel also don't exists!
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22:31<abrotman>cristiancv100: /server irc.freenode.net
22:32<HarrYPotter>abrotman /server irc.gayfag.net
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22:33<abrotman>HarrYPotter: Please don't do that, and please refrain from calling people names. You're clearly not qualified to help cristiancv100 .. I've been trying to direct him to a channel where he can get useful help.
22:33<xubuntu>hey people
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22:35<abrotman>cristiancv100: I really recommend that you "/server irc.freenode.net" and then "/join #postfix"
22:35<abrotman>cristiancv100: you'll get much better help there.
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22:35<abrotman>cristiancv100: and I really wouldn't listen to what HarryPotter is telling you, it's not correct
22:36<cristiancv100>hey i f you really know about this topics then help me, if not, no problem
22:37<abrotman>cristiancv100: I'm saying that you'll get better help from someone that actually knows exactly what you're trying to do in #postfix
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22:38<abrotman>cristiancv100: you said earlier you didn't want ot use Maildir, but then said that you are ..
22:39<cristiancv100>please ask my question in that channel for me, then paste the answers here
22:40<cristiancv100>can you help me, doing that for me?
22:40<abrotman>I'm not sure why you won't ask the #postfix channel on freenode
22:40<Infiltrator>cristiancv100: It would be a lot more effective if you just go there yourself. What is preventing you from doing so?
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22:42<cristiancv100>if i only can send a picture of chat in the other room then you can understand
22:42<cristiancv100>but is impossible in this irc chat
22:43<Infiltrator>!tell cristiancv100 -about pastebin
22:43<birch>i'm setting up an external drive to encrypt for backup. What type of partition table type? choices: [default] msdos; aix; amiga; bsd; dvh; gpt; mac; pc98; sun; loop.
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22:44<abrotman>cristiancv100: are you using maildir or mbox? can you pastebin your "postconf -n" ?
22:44<Infiltrator>birch: Unless you need legacy compatibility, I'd go with gpt.
22:45<Infiltrator>birch: Also: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=GPT+vs+MSDOS :)
22:47-!-^Xires is now known as Xires
22:47<Infiltrator>s/au/[your country code]/
22:48<birch>Infiltrator, can you confirm this quote is true: "Windows 32bit can't boot off a GPT volume, but it can see and use GPT storage drives connected to it. In the case you described, as a storage drive, I would just do GPT and call it a day. " thanks
22:50<stderr>Infiltrator: s/com\.au/[a TLD or SLD]/ :-)
22:50<cristiancv100>please forget about inexistent channels
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22:51<Brando753>Hey guys is there a way to force the Debian installer to use a traditonal grub install rather then an EFI one? my system has this weird EFI Bios hybrid stuff that allows larger drives so I can use my 7TB system but if it does a pure EFI install it wont boot it needs the standard grub-pc
22:52<Infiltrator>birch: I can neither confirm nor deny the part about windoze; are you planning to use it there or in a Debian system?
22:52<Infiltrator>stderr: Oh yeah; forgot about NZ, UK, and the like. Thanks,
22:52<birch>Infiltrator, i'm planning to use it as a general backup. it will only rarely encounter windows but it's still possible.
22:52<Infiltrator>s/s,/s./
22:52<Infiltrator>birch: What size is it?
22:53<birch>Infiltrator, 1tb
22:53<Infiltrator>birch: In that case, go with msdos.
22:53-!-Xires is now known as ^Xires
22:53<birch>Infiltrator, can you please explain why? thanks
22:53<Infiltrator>birch: As I said, only if you don't need legacy compatibility, go with GPT. (And windoze 32-bit is definitely legacy. ;)
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22:54<birch>Infiltrator, are there any down sides to using msdos?
22:54<Infiltrator>birch: msdos has a limit of 4TB, over which you're not going, so you'll be right, mate.
22:54<birch>Infiltrator, great, thanks
22:55<Infiltrator>birch: There's a little more to it than than; but for you you should be fine. (Feel free to research further. :)
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22:56<Infiltrator>Brando753: Is it a UEFI setting? If you turn off restricted boot, does GRUB boot up?
22:56<Brando753>there is no restricted boot
22:57<Brando753>there is some weird EFI Bios hybrid so it works as though its a real bios even though its efi, the Debian installer sees EFI and begins the grub-efi package which of course wont boot the system, I stuck in a hard drive which had the grub-pc (normal bios version) and it boots proper
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22:57<Brando753>I need some way to override the Debian installers choice of using the Grub-efi package
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22:58<Infiltrator>Brando753: You could try messing around in the advanced installer, but I never have.
22:58<Brando753>I am using the expert installer
22:58<Brando753>and I dont get an option for it >.>
22:59<Infiltrator>Brando753: What I would do is go into the "repair" mode of the installer, launch a shell in the system, chroot in and manually install grub-pc.
22:59<birch>Infiltrator, what filesystem do you recommend: ext2; ext3; ext4; fat32; ntfs
22:59<Brando753>Infiltrator: I did that but it fails
22:59<Brando753>Infiltrator: I have a very very complex setup
22:59<Infiltrator>Brando753: Error message(s), please. :)
22:59<Brando753>none
23:00<Infiltrator>birch: Normally, ext4; but do your 32-bit windoze machines need to write to this drive?
23:00<Brando753>I have done this before I just need to find some way to override the darn installers choice
23:00<Brando753>for whatever reason removing grub-efi and installing grub-pc did not work this time though it has in the past
23:00*Brando753 sigh
23:00<Brando753>and confirmed with the harddrive I plugged into the computer which was setup on a normal bios PC
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23:01*Brando753 hates this EFI stuff already
23:01<birch>Infiltrator, i decided to switch to gpt, i'd rather just make whoever has the legacy system go through the extra effort instead of accommodating them
23:01<cristiancv100>http://paste.debian.net/17668/
23:01<cristiancv100>pleas help me
23:01<cristiancv100>please help me!
23:02<Brando753>cristiancv100: with what exactly?
23:02<Infiltrator>cristiancv100: Is there any reason that you cannot ask at #postfix on irc.freenode.net?
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23:02<cristiancv100>i need to change the /var/mail path for emails for one custom
23:02<stderr>cristiancv100: On ___Freenode___!
23:03<cristiancv100>i'm havbe postfix 2.9.6 and dovecot 2.1.7, installed on debian 7
23:03-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
23:03-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@192.210.217.114] by abrotman
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23:03<Infiltrator>Brando753: I assume that you also tried doing update-grub and/or grub-install manually?
23:03<cristiancv100>i believe that an admin is not allow me to join #postfix channel, for an unknow reason
23:04<cristiancv100>unknown reason, excuse me
23:05<Infiltrator>cristiancv100: What is the exact message that you get? Could you please pastebin it?
23:07<cristiancv100>http://paste.debian.net/17668/
23:07<Infiltrator>cristiancv100: That's what you get when you try to join #postfix on irc.freenode.net?
23:09<cristiancv100>i'm have a mailserver with postfix and dovecot, but i can't read my emails, i dont know why? but all emails are store in this location /var/mail when i need to store in this location /home/vmail/users
23:09<cristiancv100>how can i change this path?
23:11<stderr>cristiancv100: What error message do you get when you try to join #postfix on irc.freenode.net?
23:12*idts thinks that he must be a disciple of clepto
23:13<Infiltrator>idts: I think that the poor guy just doesn't have a very good grasp of the English language.
23:13<SamB>idts: have you been unable to control your urge to shoplift, or open chests found lying aobut in peoples houses or something?
23:14<idts>i live a alone and my unit is known as oriffice360
23:15<cristiancv100>ChanServ quita OP de a cristiancv100
23:15<cristiancv100>-ChanServ- Deopped you on channel #postfix because it is registered with channel services
23:15<cristiancv100>-ChanServ- and you are not a CHANOP on its access list
23:15<idts>that is why I like my support guys
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23:15<stderr>cristiancv100: ... on irc.freenode.net
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23:17<cristiancv100>yeah
23:17<cristiancv100>irc.freenode.net
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23:20<stderr>cristiancv100: How many people do you see in that channel?
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23:27<birch>Infiltrator, how would i do step 2 on this guide http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto-disk-encryption-with-dm-crypt-luks-and-debian i don't know how to do those flags (moving the discussion here since it's now about debian)
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23:28<stderr>He finally found the right server...
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23:30<Infiltrator>stderr: Give 'im a break, mate; the poor bugger don' speak the King's English, 'e don't.
23:31<stderr>I don't know what language he speaks, but apparently "/join" and "/topic" is the same in his language. :-/
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23:33<Infiltrator>birch: Beats me. :) But considering how old that article is, I wouldn't say it's needed these days. Having said that, I'd also probably prefer to find a newer acticle.
23:34<stderr>cristiancv100: You found the right server and channel, but you forgot to ask your question.
23:34<cristiancv100>i can't write anything there
23:35<cristiancv100>what's run in this channels?
23:35<themill>cristiancv100: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
23:35<stderr>Did you read the topic? "Register with Nickserv to speak goo.gl/sRG7M"
23:35<LtL>cristiancv100: you need to be registered with nickserv, read /topic
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23:41<cristiancv100>allright
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