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00:03<picsou>mmh it seems I can use $KDEB_PKGVERSION. I'll try that.
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00:28<tshering>just wanted to ask a question. I have debian wheezy i386 installed on an Asus 1015CX with Dual Core and EMT64 not supported with 320GB Hard disk. When I installed the "eeepc-acpi-scripts" as written in it installed acpi-support as well though it is written "acpi-support" needs to be purged otherwise it will cause conflicts. Please resolve my dilemma...
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00:33<gsimmons>tshering: That instruction is obsolete for Wheezy. eeepc-acpi-scripts now depends on acpi-support.
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00:34<tshering>thank you
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02:14<dsl>what is this
02:14<musca>broken keyboard?
02:15<musca>hi dsl
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02:15<dsl>this is my first time
02:15<musca>you reached the debian support channel.
02:16<dsl>i thauth i could chat with video and all. i m using xchat.
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02:19<stderr>dsl: You probably can. But not in xchat.
02:20<dsl>is there a way to do it in damn small linux
02:20<stderr>No idea. This is the _Debian_ support channel.
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02:21<dsl>dsl is build on deb. woody.
02:21<stderr>Woody is OLD!!!
02:21<stderr>And DSL still ain't Debian.
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02:22<dsl>thanks anyway
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02:24<stderr>dsl: Support for Woody ended almost 7 years ago:
02:24<dpkg>[dsl] Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable, or Damn Small Linux (, join #damnsmalllinux on for related questions, see also <based on debian>.
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04:17<jmho>when using the jenkins packages from experimental I'm not able to get the list of plugins, it looks like jenkins just does not download them, any ideas where to look?
04:17<jmho>I can wget them from the same system however
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05:02<Vide>hello, I've a very very strange problem with an XFS filesystem in a xen VM. I've just updated the VM from squeeze to wheezy and now using the 3.2.0-4 wheezy kernel, I cannot mount the guest XFS FS, it gives a log error
05:02<mouse>Greetings everyone.
05:02<Vide>but xfs_check and mounting from the dom0 works without a problem (dom0 is still a squeeze with 2.6.26)
05:03<mouse>I was wondering if anyone knows if there are repositories where I can install single packages. Like, if I want to run Xfce and install wicd without being forced to install gnome.
05:03<Vide>even booting the wheezy VM with a 2.6.26 mounts the FS correctly
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05:04<babilen>mouse: You are never forced to install gnome when you install wicd.
05:05<mouse>I tried to install wicd earlier from the repositories and it kept trying to install gnome.
05:05<babilen>Vide: I have never worked with XFS, but the likelihood of us being able to help you with this is infinitesimally higher if you give us the complete error message.
05:05<stdhell>mouse: Do you mean gtk?
05:06<babilen>mouse: Show us on please
05:06<mouse>no, it was trying to install gnome and everything that comes with the meta-package. I ended up getting it but, I'd like to remove it.
05:06<babilen>Oh, so you *did* install it?
05:07<mouse>Yeah, i ended up installing it for now. I needed to manage my wifi.
05:07<stdhell>wicd depends on either wicd-gtk OR wicd-curses OR wicd-cli OR wicd-client. As far as I can tell only the first of those depends on anything related to gnome.
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05:07<mouse>yeah, I thought I remembered installing it on squeeze without gnome. I was using fluxbox on my last laptop. this time I just got painted into a corner.
05:09<stdhell>Vide: I'm not sure that's an XFS problem. I think it's a problem with the device itself.
05:10<mouse>I really am not too happy with gnome right now. It's got a few things going on that just drive me bonkers.
05:10<mouse>like some applications not having close windows.
05:10<mouse>xchat for example won't have a close button if I open the room list window.
05:11<babilen>mouse: So remove it if you want to. It is hard to debug the initial problem right now ... That being said: XFCE (like Gnome) typically recommends network-manager these days and I agree with that decision to a certain degree
05:11<Vide>stdhell: the device works perfectly, I can mount it from the dom0 and xfs_check/repair from dom0 too are perfectly ok
05:11<Vide>I mounted it, create a random 300MB file and no problem at all
05:12<Vide>booted again with the old kernel (and the new VM), it boots
05:12<Vide>it just freaks out when booting with 3.2.0-4
05:12<stdhell>How big is xvda1?
05:12<mouse>Actually, is it possible to downgrade gnome3 version 3.8 to 3.4?
05:12<jm_>use a more meaningful test - something like badblocks in read only mode
05:12<Vide>stdhell: 4GB
05:12<mouse>I'd leave it there if I could downgrade it.
05:13<Vide>problem is that lthere's new udev with wheezy and doesn't work with older kernels :/
05:13<stdhell>So sector 4196916 is beyond the end of the device?
05:13<babilen>mouse: May I see your sources.list, the output of "apt-cache policy" and that of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "gnome*"" on please?
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05:15<Vide>stdhell: i don't understand what you mean
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05:16<stdhell>"I/O error, dev xvda1, sector 4196916"... If the last sector is #4195915 it's not wonder you get an error there.
05:16<gnugr>Vide:check if xfs-modules loaded with new kernel "modprobe xfs"
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05:17<mouse>apt-cache policy gnome? or gnome*?
05:17<Vide>gnugr: I don't have a shell, it cannot read anything from the disk
05:18<Vide>anyway it's a standard debian kernel+initrd so the module should be there (i have other dom0 with domU wheezy + xfs with the same kernel and it works)
05:18<mouse>oh, nevermind
05:18<babilen>mouse: The commands I gave you are exactly the commands that I want you to run :)
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05:20<mouse>okay here it is
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05:22<stdhell>"deb unstable main non-free"
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05:23<babilen>mouse: Okay, so you are tracking unstable. You can remove all those wheezy entries from your sources.list as they don't matter at all. Please also note that testing/unstable is supported rather in #debian-next than here in #debian -- Are you sure that you want to run unstable?
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05:24<babilen>mouse: Either way: You should read and you should be able to remove a lot of the gnome stuff by running "apt-get purge gnome gnome-shell gnome-session" and "apt-get --purge autoremove"
05:24<mouse>ah, actually just wanted one package from unstable. other than that I want to run stable for sure.
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05:25<stdhell>Vide: What size does blockdev --getsize64 /dev/xvda1 report?
05:25<mouse>I think I accidentally pulled gnome from unstable. but, I can't seem to downgrade it. :(
05:25<mouse>the version that came with my install was 3.4 I think
05:25<babilen>mouse: It is way too late for that - you mixed your stable system with unstable *and* installed a huge number of packages from there already. You cannot downgrade, so you either have to reinstall or ... well ... learn pretty damn fast how to run an unstable system
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05:26<mouse>damn.. so i'm sol
05:27<mouse>thanks Babilen. I appreciate the help and i'll read that wiki.
05:27<babilen>mouse: Which package was it that you needed from unstable? You should *never* ever mix stable with anything but backports (that includes testing/unstable and third-party repositories)
05:27<mouse>I was trying to install Mudlet from it.
05:28<babilen>mouse: If there is no official backport of a package you might be able to backport it yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb", but that doesn't work for everything.
05:28<babilen>judd: v mudlet
05:28<judd>Package: mudlet on i386 -- wheezy: 2.0-rc12-3; jessie: 1:2.1-1; sid: 1:2.1-1
05:28<babilen>judd: checkbackport mudlet
05:28<mouse>yeah, I needed 2.1
05:28<judd>Backporting package mudlet in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual.
05:28<babilen>mouse: That one should be an easy backport. Please *never* mix stable with testing/unstable -- I'd recommend a reinstall.
05:28<mouse>Everything came to a crashing halt when I tried to install Kopete. Up to that point it was all good.
05:29<mouse>I'm thinking the same thing. I've done way too much that I don't know what's gone where now.
05:29<SynrG>oh, distro mixing is it?
05:29<SynrG>wish i had known this yesterday
05:29<SynrG>er, s/distro/release/
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05:30<mouse>ah, yeah. I didn't think about it yesterday. I might have accidentally got Kopete from unstable. :(
05:30<SynrG>big "whoops"
05:30<SynrG>don't do that again :)
05:30<mouse>I usually keep sid commented out.
05:30<mouse>yeah. I'll suck it up and do a fresh install.
05:30*SynrG nods
05:30<zathras>hi. I run Wheezy and installed the Jetty8 package. Regardless of my tweakings it keeps binding to tcp6 only. Even hardlinking it to an ipv4 address as a hostname does not help
05:31<dpkg>From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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05:31<zathras>how can I force things please? I also tried
05:31<mouse>so, you think it'd be safe to install just mudlet 2.1 from sid? Seems to be the only repo that has version 2.1. I don't believe it installed anything other than mudlet.
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05:32<mouse>or is there a safer way to get it?
05:32<zathras>SynrG, I asm aware of that trick, but it is not that I want to get rid of ipv6 all together
05:32*SynrG shrugs
05:32<Vide>stdhell: running it from the dom0: 4294967296
05:32<SynrG>i know java is "special" wrt ipv6
05:33<Vide>stdhell: 4GB
05:33<stdhell>Vide: So last sector is: 4194303
05:34<SynrG>(such specialness broke some of my key java apps a few years back and required some java-specific workaround, but that's too long ago now: a) i have forgotten and b) that workaround is probably no longer relvant anyway and c) as you indicated, you don't want to disable ipv6, just for this app)
05:34<stdhell>Something in your filesystem is linking to a sector that's beyond the end of the device.
05:34<TobiX>SynrG: Wasn't there something about net.ipv6.bindv6only? Is the default for that now on or off?
05:34<zathras>I have some issues with a java app. So I want to disable the Apache proxy is was running behind to eliminate that as a potential source of trouble. But now I no longer have ipv4->ipv6 too :-(
05:34<stdhell>Force the repair program to actually do something instead of just saying "all done".
05:34<SynrG>TobiX: sounds familiar ... as for the default, no idea.
05:34<Vide>stdhell: I'll try ..
05:35<SynrG>some time soon i will have to become more edumacated about ipv6 :p
05:35<gsimmons>TobiX: It was briefly turned on at netbase 4.38, then turned off again ; /msg dpkg java ipv6
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05:35<SynrG>(a client of ours is rolling out ipv6 in their network; will need to figure it out on OpenVMS -- fun times)
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05:36<mouse>oh, SynrG. I actually found out what was causing my hangups at logout. It was open-vm-tools
05:36<mouse>removing that brought it back to life.
05:37<TobiX>zathras: Is net.ipv6.bindv6only enabled?
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05:38<SynrG>mouse: ahh
05:39<zathras>TobiX, that line is commented out in sysctl.conf
05:40<zathras>euh. It is not in there even
05:40<stdhell>Vide: BTW: Did you run a badblock check as jm_ suggested?
05:41<TobiX>zathras: What does "sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only" say?
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05:41<zathras>but as I have a number of services bound to ipv4 I assume that is not an issue
05:41<zathras>one mo
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05:41<zathras>net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0
05:42<zathras>as expected
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05:45<skn>Hi all. I am trying to connect to but can't seem to. Is this a known issue?
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05:45<Vide>stdhell: no…right now I'm creating a new device (it's LVM) and copying all the data, let see if this works
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05:45<TobiX>zathras: So, when Jetty binds on tcp6, can you connect with a v4 client? Or does it just bind on a specific IP instead of ::?
05:45<mouse>Is there a command to tell me which packages were installed alongside another?
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05:45<mouse>sorry if that's a really newb question.
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05:47<stdhell>You could check the log. Maybe "aptitude why ..." is enough.
05:47<jm_>or dpkg.log
05:47<skn>no one?
05:48<stdhell>jm_: Yes, the log...
05:48<jm_>stdhell: well there's aptitude log too
05:49<stdhell>skn: Not that it helps or anything, but I can't connect either.
05:49<mouse>so, lets say I was looking for what was installed alongside mudlet. I can do cat /etc/log/dpkg.log | grep mudlet?
05:49<gnugr>skn:tried page couldn't open
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05:50<stdhell>mouse: Sort of... You would have to manual check the log to see if the entries before and after have roughly the same timestamp.
05:51<mouse>ah, okay
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05:53<mouse>I guess that'd eb faster than what I was doing just now.
05:53<mouse>I was using apt-cache show mudlet to show dependencies and then doing aptitude why pkgname to see if it was because of that.
05:53<Guest903>Hi! Extremly needs help. I've got strange problem with latest version of Debian in vmware ESXi.
05:53<Guest903>Network scheme is following: 2 subnets and
05:53<Guest903>In first subnet I've got debian with 2 static interfaces eth0 with IP without default gw and
05:53<Guest903>eth1 with IP and default gw connected to Internet.
05:53<Guest903>And Windows XP with IP When I ping from Windows interface answer, but immediately
05:53<Guest903>after command ifdown eth0 ping breaks. The problem is that Debian send packets from wrong interface. What's the problem with it?
05:53<mouse>though, the dependencies are just things like liblua so, I think it'll be safe to grab that from testing and then comment out those repos forever.
05:53<stdhell>mouse: If "it" was because of that? What "it"?
05:53<mouse>ah, i was just seeing if it installed the dependencies from testing or if I already had them.
05:53<mouse>I think I already had them since mudlet 2.0 is in stable.
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05:54<stdhell>Guest903: .120 ain't reacheable from eth1, so if eth0 is down, you can't reply.
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05:55<babilen>mouse: The best log file for this is probably /var/log/apt/history.log -- but your system beyond repair (if you want to track stable that is) and a reinstall or restore from backup (you *do* have backups?) is your only option.
05:57<stdhell>Guest903: Oh, wait, didn't see the gateway... Sorry, nevermind.
05:57<mouse>I'll likely just reinstall and place my files i have backed up to a flashdrive back in.
05:57<mouse>it's a fairly new install. Just my 3rd one in the past 2 weeks. So, I was reluctant to do it again.
05:57<Guest903>arp -a in Windows says that IP and has the same mac's
05:57<skn>stdhell: gnugr: thx
05:57<mouse>to be fair though, the other 3 were ubuntu installs. That distro was giving me so much grief
05:57<mouse>I hate it. It's pretty and polished looking but.. wtf.
05:57<stdhell>It's not that pretty...
05:57<stdhell>... or polished.
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05:58<zathras>TobiX, sorry for the late reply. It only binds to tcp6 not tcp4 and I cannot reach it as I have no ipv6ipv4 tunnel configured nor an IPv6 inet connection
05:58<zathras>so I forced ipv6 off and just rebooted
05:58<babilen>mouse: You should read the Debian handbook and learn a bit more about good practices. Just keep in mind to never mix stable with anything but backports and come here earlier if you require help.
05:58<mouse>Yeah, nothing I can't do to Debian. I didn't use Unity. I just liked the grey screen when I log out. Rather than the dialog box
05:58<babilen>dpkg: tell mouse about handbook
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05:59<zathras>ipv6 is not a requirement so I decided to make things easy for now :-)
05:59<babilen>mouse: Good luck and until later :D
05:59<mouse>thanks, I'll definitely be reading it. I was actually going to ask you guys for a link to something like that.
05:59<babilen>wonderful, it is a great book - it targets squeeze, but most of it is release independent
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06:00<mouse>:D I like learning to use my system better. I was learning to do it with my ancient laptop that was too small for anything but a very lightweight install. I ended up installing base and then installing fluxbox. Honestly, it's been the best system I've ever had.
06:01<mouse>I knew what was in it and why it was in it.
06:01<Guest903>Nobody can help?
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06:11<Guest903>You mean if I add seccond NIC to windows I will get tha same results?
06:11<stdhell>Guest903: I would check the configuration of the NICs on the host, but I really don't think this is a debian problem.
06:12<stdhell>I mean that might not exist at all.
06:14<stdhell>Guest903: You should probably ask a vmware expert.
06:14<Guest903>Thnak you!
06:15<Guest903>I will try to make the same configuration on VirtualBox
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06:15<mammutpanzer>Hello great community. A few days ago I reported that I installed debian on my PC (in short: fast PC). I used a net iso. The installation process was all okay. When I started debian it booted really slow. apt-get update was super slow. I thought apt was someone broken. Then I found out that the entire PC was slow. I went to a computer shop and they checked my hardware. The hardware is okay. They found out when they boot the PC debia
06:15<mammutpanzer>n reports a BIOS bug
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06:17<mammutpanzer>Now I have 2 issues. 1st I need to update my BIOS. I tried to run DOS and the manufacturer software but that failed. 2nd I need a bootable USB drive with debian on it. I used cp iso device; sync and the dd command. (see and )
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06:18<mammutpanzer>I tried to boot from the USB drive I installed debian on but when I boot from USB I only get a black screen and it blinks
06:18<mammutpanzer>Can anyone help me?
06:20<jm_>which ISO did you download and how exactly did you transfer it to USB disk?
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06:23<mammutpanzer>I downloaded and as I said I used cp isofile usbdevice and the other time the DD command
06:23<SynrG>mammutpanzer: "and that failed" how? did it refuse to update the BIOS? if so, good. if not (e.g. failing in the middle of a write), that's bad.
06:23<jm_>we need to know the exact dd/cp command used
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06:24<SynrG>i think addressing issue 1 is more important than 2 at this point
06:24<SynrG>if you've hosed your BIOS, not sure what we can do to help
06:25<mammutpanzer>SynrG the BIOS update didn't work. It refused to update the BIOS.
06:25<SynrG>"debian reports a BIOS bug" <- what bug? what error message? and how did you conclude you needed a BIOS upgrade? and did the BIOS upgrade release notes say it addresses the problem you experienced?
06:25<jm_>modern systems have a recovery option for that
06:25<SynrG>well and good, then.
06:27<mammutpanzer>wait this is getting too much for me. better one thing at a time. 1st the USB bootable. jm_ I used the command cp thenameofisohere /dev/sdb1; sync
06:27<jm_>mammutpanzer: no wonder it doesn't work, /dev/sdb is the right one
06:28<jm_>just make sure /dev/sdb is really your USB disk
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06:28<mammutpanzer>I used disk utility to see where the USB device is
06:29<SynrG>that's not the point
06:29<SynrG>don't copy to the *partition*
06:29<SynrG>copy to the *whole device*
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06:29<SynrG>and of course, this writes over all partitions ... make sure if there is stuff you want to keep on other partitions, you keep a backup
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06:30<SynrG>mammutpanzer: if you think about it for a minute, you will understand why it needs to work this way. you are overwriting the boot sector/partition table to make the device bootable with the new image.
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06:31<SynrG>mammutpanzer: go back and re-read which you pasted earlier "... <device> is the device matching the USB flash drive, e.g. /dev/sda, /dev/sdb ..."
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06:32<mammutpanzer>SynrG thanks for the explanation. :)
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06:32<mammutpanzer>brb will test the boot device now
06:32<SynrG>mammutpanzer: also in which you linked to "... If it is not you should check that the usb-storage kernel module is loaded. When the USB stick is inserted, it will be mapped to a device named /dev/sdX, where the “X” is a letter in the range a-z."
06:32<SynrG>mammutpanzer: so, both documents had the same advice :)
06:33<jm_>I suspect the other BIOS issue might be something about MTRR or so
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06:34<SynrG>sure. but with all such issues, 1) understand what the error is 2) check BIOS release notes 3) if the release notes don't indicate it fixes a problem you're having, *don't* upgrade
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06:50<sascha>Hey, I'm using a VPN server though the "Automatic connect" option is not working. I always have to enable manually. What am I doing wrong?
06:50<Guest903>Return to my question 20 min ago about vmware and Debian
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06:52<Guest903>I did the same config in VirtualBox and got the same result: when I ping linux 'arp -a' in Windows shows that different IP have the same MAC's
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06:54<imdea>Hi, I'm getting this error in slapd while trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy: any ideas?
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06:58<babilen>imdea: I don't think you should have entries with empty dn values -- but you might want to take this to a dedicated slapd channel.
06:59<babilen>dpkg: tell imdea -about slapd
06:59<babilen>imdea: #openldap on in particular
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06:59<imdea>babilen: thanks, I'm asking here because I haven't received any kind of answer/help from there
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07:03<babilen>I wonder why your distinguished name attribute is empty in the dump, the output of slapcat might come in handy, but then I am *far* from being fluent in LDAP
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07:03<imdea>babilen: it wasn't empty before.
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07:04<babilen>imdea: In that case the backup is corrupted :-/
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07:08<imdea>babilen: what can I do?
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07:10<babilen>imdea: I don't feel comfortable debugging/solving this and wouldn't want to cause any further destruction, sorry.
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07:13<babilen>imdea: Be patient - In fact it looks as if #openldap just became active and you might want to continue the discussion there. I'm idling in that channel in case it turns out to be a Debian problem.
07:14<imdea>babilen: ok, thanks anyway
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07:16<Stummi>Hi, isn't there any implementation of the Nine Men's Morris game in the debian repositories? I tried serval search words but can't find any
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07:17<x1gilmar1x>bom dia
07:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:52<sascha>strange...when looking at the bug tracker I seem to be the only one which can't connect to VPN automatically
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08:20<Norbertos>I'd like to add PREEMPTion to my kernel, I found this guide:
08:21<Apollo>that's 4 years old
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08:21<Norbertos>Apollo: Could you recommend me a more recent site ? I simply can't found any
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08:22<musca>why do you need preemption?
08:22<jm_>why not use debian's rt kernel instead?
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08:23<Apollo>Norbertos: what jm_ said
08:23<Norbertos>musca: I encountered slightly greater speeds using distros with that kind of kernel
08:23<Norbertos>Apollo: thanks
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08:25<Norbertos>jm_: I found "linux-image-rt-amd64" ... I can't believe it is that easy ! Or it isn't ?
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08:25<jm_>Norbertos: well it's as easy as other kernel images provided by Debian
08:26<Norbertos>jm_: Great ! Thank you very much to let me know that !
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08:27<jm_>Norbertos: no worries (and you can find its config file in /boot to check for needed options)
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08:27<Norbertos>jm_: Thanks, man !
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08:31<Norbertos>Damn, I installed Realtek firmware, and it updated my initramfs :O What a clever system it is !!!
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08:33<Apollo>wth is that site anyway?
08:33<hunter_india>hi all
08:34<Norbertos>jm_, Apollo - thanks for letting me help out, I leave to try my new kernel ! See ya all ;)
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08:34<@babilen>Norbertos: We call is "wheezy", but you can think of it as "little snuggle prof. snookums"
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08:37<Norbertos>Yeppee, it works !
08:37<Norbertos>Thanks again :)
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08:41<devil>bluewater: snort is being bought by Cisco, so be careful :)
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09:08<anubis>i have formatted my hard disk and reinstalled. now i find that i miss a very important file. i still hope the data is not overwritten. How can i try to find and restore it?
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09:11<apm1>anubis, you are the lord of resurrection and you ask us mortals ? XD kidding aside well if you did an install over the disk well there is nothing that can be done easily
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09:13<bluewater>devil: wasnt that kind of snort , it was the babilen reference to snookums.. grins ( has a giggle)
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09:16<freelinux>I have a problems with setting up MTA's to send mail through a smart host. I can't make wordpress send a registration email to people signing up on my apache server with wordpress. The mail log just says that "retry time not reached for any host". Halp?
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09:20<stdhell>freelinux: What does the log say when you're actually trying to deliver an email?
09:21<stdhell>"retry time not reached" simply means that it isn't time to retry the delivery yet.
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09:21<freelinux>nothing, now
09:21<freelinux>does that mean it delivered fine?
09:22<freelinux>oh, wait
09:22<freelinux>still just saying "retry time not reached"
09:22<stdhell>No, successful deliveries will show up in the log too.
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09:23<stdhell>Can you put the log file on
09:24<freelinux>just replying to another IRC message real quick
09:26<freelinux>there are a few frozen messages from yesterday in there too
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09:29<SynrG>freelinux: heya. just catching up ...
09:30<stdhell>freelinux: What commands have you tried so far?
09:30<freelinux>not really any, except exim -qf
09:30<SynrG>freelinux: maybe it hates your Sender: ? it would be interesting to see the whole conversation
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09:31<SynrG>i mean, i notice your email is From: root@skyshift ... that might make the ISP MTA cranky
09:32<SynrG>so you could get exim to rewrite Sender: as whatever it (Charter) expects ...
09:32<freelinux>ill try sending an email from non-root...?
09:32<SynrG>while keeping the From: as-is
09:32<SynrG>it's nothing to do with the username
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09:33<SynrG>Charter might want your Sender: to be a legit Charter address
09:33<SynrG>something that replies could go back to in case of errors.
09:33<SynrG>"root@skyshift" isn't even internet-accessible
09:33<freelinux>ok, how do I get one of those?
09:33<SynrG>well, you have one of those. Charter gave you one, at least.
09:34<freelinux>what is "Charter"
09:34<SynrG>your ISP
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09:34<SynrG>my mistake. they all get muddled in my head :)
09:35<SynrG>your Comcast subscription is under some username ...
09:35<freelinux>er, so where can i find my charter address
09:35<freelinux>so if my username was "redrooster1"
09:35<freelinux>i would send mail from "redrooster1"?
09:36<SynrG>or whatever additional usernames you had registered under "my account" or so
09:36<freelinux>that's easy
09:36<SynrG>but not from an account called that ...
09:36<freelinux>all I have to do is reconfigure exim
09:36<SynrG>just override your Sender: to be :)
09:37<SynrG>i think in the exim config it had a place for that, yes
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09:37<SynrG>i don't know what comcast's scheme is for user@host for email addresses
09:37<SynrG>with google i found:
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09:38<SynrG>if you don't have an additional username for you, specifically, you might follow that
09:38<SynrG>and then you could use fetchmail to get mail from that
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09:39<babilen>freelinux: You will, most likely, also require to configure exim to not only rewrite the Sender to an address your smarthost accepts, but also to provide login details (preferrably via TLS): Read exim4_passwd_client(5) for information on the /etc/exim4/passwd.client format
09:40<babilen>But I haven't used exim4 in a while (postfix is working perfectly)
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09:41<babilen>ssmtp might be worth a look too if all you want is "AAAH mail, go go away with you to some box that knows how to deal with it"
09:41<freelinux>babilen: did that
09:42<freelinux>not ssmtp
09:42<freelinux>all i need is for a registration email to go from A to B
09:42<babilen>freelinux: you still have to rewrite the From: header to match your ISP's expectations. Most mailserver (luckily!) don't relay mail that doesn't match their expectations.
09:43<freelinux>how would i do that?
09:43<babilen>rerun "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and tell it to
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09:45<SynrG>there was a question in there ... you probably just skipped it :0
09:45<freelinux>so for system mail name what do i put?
09:45<SynrG>that's what i was saying earlier. i don't know comcast's scheme for user@host
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09:46<freelinux>I need a mail name
09:47<freelinux>If my email address was on loacalhost the correct value here is
09:47<SynrG>is that just
09:47<SynrG>i think you just want
09:47<freelinux>I'll try that
09:48<SynrG>does it also prompt for a username to use in Sender:?
09:49<freelinux>its just uses
09:49<freelinux>"retry time not reached for any host"
09:50<SynrG>"Hide local mail name in outgoing mail?"
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09:50<freelinux>ill try that
09:50<freelinux>please fix my /etc/hosts setup?
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09:51<JacksonIsaac>I am new here. I would like to contribute to Debian. Can anyone help?
09:52<freelinux>how do i straight up delete all the mail in mailq?
09:52<apm1>JacksonIsaac, #debian-mentors
09:52<SynrG>freelinux: i would have to know how your /etc/hosts is broken, first :) if you added the DNS workaround that we don't need anymore, just remove it again
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09:52<freelinux>oh yeah
09:52<stdhell>freelinux: Can we see what the log says, if you try to send a new email?
09:53<SynrG>freelinux: per message id, mailq -Mrm <message-id> <message-id> ...
09:53<freelinux>"retry time not reached for any host"
09:54<SynrG>freelinux: that happens for new messages too, now?
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09:55<freelinux>as soon as the message is sent
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09:55<stdhell>Are you sure? Yesterday one of the "new" messages was 2 hours old.
09:55<freelinux>I wish i could be
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09:55<freelinux>I don't know how to remove mail from the log
09:55<freelinux>the queue*
09:56<stdhell>Well, I'm going home now... Good luck.
09:57<freelinux>Is there any other method i could use to get mail from point a to point b?
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09:58<SynrG>freelinux: i think this is just exim caching the unavailability of ...
09:58<SynrG>due to all your prior failures
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09:58<freelinux>how to i clear the cache?
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10:00<SynrG>'Use "exinext" to find out what error was seen and when the next retry
10:00<SynrG>would be seen.'
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10:02<freelinux>how do i use it?
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10:02<aslam>assalamu alaikum
10:02<SynrG>i guess just "exinext"
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10:03<freelinux>we're gonna need a paste.debian here
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10:07<SynrG>freelinux: most of those are stale.
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10:08<SynrG>"next try" on July 23rd ...
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10:09<SynrG>two of them will retry again in another 17 minutes or so
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10:10<freelinux>… more of the waiting game?
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10:11<SynrG>it's just saying "Connection timed out". not sure what it really means ...
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10:11<SynrG>in the article i linked, it said you could:
10:12<SynrG>remove the hints in
10:12<SynrG>the file `exim -bP spool_directory`/db/retry to get Exim to try again now ...
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10:14<freelinux>permission denied
10:14<freelinux>as root
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10:15<freelinux>what now?
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10:16<freelinux>meh, waiting game it is
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10:20<ruslan>who know what is the name of irc chanel of engineyard support?
10:21<SynrG>ruslan: i think you're on the wrong network
10:22<SynrG>ruslan: you want #engineyard @
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10:23<SynrG>freelinux: that article also suggested:
10:23<SynrG>exim -Rf yourcustomersdomain.tld
10:24<SynrG>so i guess: exim -Rf
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10:28<ruslan>SynrG: thanks
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10:31<freelinux>what did that do?
10:31<freelinux>i did it
10:32<freelinux>but what did exim -Rf do, SynrG?
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10:34<roy_>freelinux: didn't follow the complete discussion, but shouldn't you use the smarthost function of Exim?
10:34<freelinux>I am
10:34<roy_>and then set a correct from address in Wordpress
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10:35<roy_>still can send e-mail?
10:35<roy_>can should be can't
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10:36<freelinux>Idk, wish i could use another smarthost
10:36<roy_>but where are you setting because I dont think thats your address..
10:36<freelinux>exim config
10:36<freelinux>chameleon worked better
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10:37<roy_>but root@comcast is not your address. And is Exim now rewritting all your from addresses to
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10:38<freelinux>reconfigured it
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10:38<freelinux>sending mail from root@localhost
10:38<roy_>if you just want to get the mail from your server to a smarthost, use ssmtp
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10:39<freelinux>what is ssmtp
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10:39<roy_>but you should configure wordpress to send it from
10:39<roy_>a Debian package
10:39<roy_>that just sends e-mail to a smarthost and does nothing else with it
10:39<freelinux>gah. That would be helpful.
10:39<freelinux>is it an MTA?
10:39<roy_>if you don't need all the functionality of a full blown mail server
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10:40<freelinux>I just want a registration email to go out
10:40<freelinux>so like,
10:40<roy_>extremely simple MTA
10:40<roy_>is says in the description
10:40<roy_>is = it
10:40<roy_>yeah, you should configure the from address correctly
10:41<freelinux>ok what?
10:41<roy_>otherwise other SMTP server could complain
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10:41<roy_>2 things: correctly configure your SMTP server to use a smarthost, and secondly, set the correct from address in Wordpress
10:42<scientes>I accidentally mkfs.ext4'ed my drive
10:42<scientes>what do i do
10:42<freelinux>I think i got it
10:42<roy_>scientes: enjoy the free space ;-)
10:43<roy_>I don't know if that's recoverable
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10:43<roy_>freelinux: if you keep using Exim, check mainlog, rejectlog and maybe paniclog
10:44<freelinux>gonna use ssmtp
10:44<freelinux>removing exim4...
10:44<roy_>yeah that is much easier if you don't need the rest
10:44<freelinux>lol no kidding'
10:45<freelinux>all i need to do i send mail from
10:45<freelinux>a registration email
10:45<roy_>yeah but your smtp server doesn't say where its from, you should set your From header correctly
10:45<less>That could be done from the command line with mail or mailx.
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10:46<freelinux>i dunno how
10:46<roy_>but he needs to do it with Wordpress
10:46<freelinux>3rd day on debian
10:46<roy_>so PHP
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10:47<freelinux>Getting ssmtp set up
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10:50<freelinux>so should it work out of the box?
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10:50<freelinux>trying to send a test mail, not doing anything..
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10:52<roy_>send it with what?
10:52<roy_>on the CLI?
10:52<roy_>or with WP?
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10:53<roy_>and I think you should configure your ISP smtp server
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11:14<freelinux>SynrG: ok, I got lazy and decided to use a new email address,, and gmail's smtp servers, and now i send email from to the registrating person
11:14<freelinux>you can register now
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11:22<roy_>freelinux: it works now with Exim or ssmtp?
11:24<SynrG>freelinux: ya. seems like less hassle
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11:25<freelinux>using a plugin for wordpress
11:27<linuxguy999>do any of you know how lvm is called during the boot process?
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11:39<nevyn>linuxguy999: what's going wrong?
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11:40<SynrG>freelinux: you know you could use google's smtp to accomplish the same thing in general for your system
11:40<SynrG>using either exim4 or ssmtp, whichever you prefer
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11:47<sascha>Is there a good alternative to network-manager? Something with openvpn support
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11:50<sascha>or a _working_ method for auto/re-connect vpn with network-manager
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12:02<freelinux>SynrG: while using gmail SMTP to send mail, I get "Network is unreachable". Is it possible I entered the wrong port?
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12:06<stderr>sascha: I usually start openvpn by hand, but I think you can start it using a "post-up" line in /etc/network/interfaces and a "pre-down" to shut it down. But I haven't tried.
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12:08<freelinux>Ok, I'm using and
12:08<freelinux>oh hold o
12:08<freelinux>is it or
12:08<freelinux>no, I'm right, it's smtp gmail
12:09<sascha>stderr, I've been searching in Ubuntu forums for a solution since I've seen that this was a bug from 2008 There were a script involving "nmcli con up id "VPNNAME"" which you can put in /etc/NetworkManager/somethingsomething/ to autostart it. The problem is that this command always gives me an error "could not connect ... vpn-secret not available"
12:09<freelinux>Anyways, I'm using
12:09<freelinux>as a smarthost
12:09<freelinux>But im getting network is unreachable and then after a while connection timed out
12:09<freelinux>any ideas why?
12:09<stderr>sascha: I don't use Ubuntu and I don't use NetworkManager, so can't help you with those...
12:10<sascha>stderr, I'm not using ubuntu either but this command should also work with debian
12:10<sascha>but if you are not using NetworkManager you won't be able to try it ... so yeah :-/
12:11<stderr>To me, wpasupplicant was much easier to setup.
12:11<freelinux>my exim4 logfile is so sad T^T
12:12<sascha>well WPA is working perfectly. VPN also. It's the auto/re-connect which is broken
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12:38<houms>I am having issues with openjdk and iceweasel, where pages with embedded video are not loading the video and does not pass the test. I have chromium installed on this box as well and both the embedded video and the java test page work fine
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12:40<houms>what am i missing here?
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12:41<bernat>they might be using different java plugins
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12:41<SamB>houms: did you install the icedtea-{6,7}-plugin ?
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12:41<houms>7 plugin
12:41<houms>I have removed icedtea-6 and openjdk-6
12:41<houms>for ver 7
12:42<houms>on chrome it works fine
12:42<houms>mena chromium
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12:43<houms>*mean. but on iceweasel, the java test page seems to detect the java plugin but then the page goes grey where on chromim it returns with your java is working and then the version /arch./etc...
12:43<musca>your browsers might support different video codecs. you get info on
12:43<bernat>can you check the plugins in both browsers and compare them
12:43<houms>what is the most accurate way to do that?
12:44<bernat>with iceweasel you go to about:plugins in the address bar, for chrome I don't know but you can try the same
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12:44<houms>i know in iceweasel under tools>plugins it shows "IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.4 (1.4.3~deb7u1))"
12:45<houms>shows IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.4 (1.4-3~deb7u1))
12:45<houms>and File:
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12:45<musca>the java plugin is a major security risk. An evil site may be playing tricks on you to install java?
12:46<houms>chrome://plugins/ shows IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.4 (1.4-3~deb7u1)) - Version: 1.4
12:46<musca>I don't remember to need java since many years.
12:46<houms>well I have netscaler, Dell DRACs, that have only java applet or activex access,
12:46<houms>i do not have win box
12:47<houms>thanks musca but I am not sure it is related to video codecs entirely only because iceweasel does not even load the java test page
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12:47<houms>but then again you could be right on
12:48<houms>I am just trying to gain some insight how I can further dig into this issue
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12:48<bernat>have you tried chromium?
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12:50<houms>bernat that is why i think iceweasel is the issue as everything I described not working in iceweasel DOES work in chromium
12:50<bernat>well, I read Chrome
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12:51<bernat>sry, I read wrong
12:51<bernat>both are Debian versions, right?
12:51<houms>same exact box
12:52<houms>okay ... so i blew my .mozilla profile away, and when I test java page again it now works . so something in the profile was fubar'ed
12:52<houms>but still no embeddd video
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12:52<houms>e.g this site has embedded video on the page, chromium works fine but iceweasel shows no video
12:52<houms>so perhaps it is a media player/codec as far as what chromium is using vs iceweasel?
12:53<houms>is there anything in the .mozilla profile that would cause the java test page not to work?
12:54<blast007>houms: that link has a flash video
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12:55<houms>oh sorry ...
12:55<houms>but the same question would still be why would that work in chromium and not in iceweasel even though flash is installed
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12:56<musca>chromium does h264, iceweasel does not.
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12:56<blast007>does chromium have it's own version of flash bundled like chrome does?
12:56<houms>well in extensions it looks like it uses the flash i have installed
12:56<houms>from non-free
12:58<bernat>musca: does chromium really do h264? I think not
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12:59<bernat>you could look for errors in the javascript console, also install a newer iceweasel from backports
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13:00<houms>well i am on iceweasel 17
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13:00<houms>not sure if that would be from backports as I thought 10 was the released version for wheezy
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13:00<houms>I am trying to avoid blowing away my profile
13:00<houms>trying to find what in the .mozilla profile would cause the java applet not to work...
13:01<houms>i think the embedded video (flash) is a diff issue perhaps
13:01<bernat>have you tried with a new profile?
13:01<SamB>bernat: do you happen to remember the incantation for that
13:01<houms>yes, with a new profile the java test page works and java seems to work properly, however the embedded videos is still an issue, but that seems like an issue with flash
13:01<SamB>or nevermind
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13:02<tim__>I was looking for a good step by step guide on setting up a virtual sever please
13:03<houms>tim what do you mean virtual server are you trying to run a hypervisor or a virtual machine in an existing hypervisor?
13:04<stderr>Or a vhost in apache?
13:04<tim__>vhost in apache to run a website for my church
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13:05<less>I would bet Google would know a lot about vhosts in apache.
13:05<bernat>SamB: iceweasel -ProfileManager
13:05<tim__>i looked on google but could not find anything really clear
13:05<tim__>or that i understood
13:05<stderr>Copy /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to /etc/apache2/sites-available/some-name. Edit that file. Then run a2ensite some-name.
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13:07<tim__>stderr can you send me a private message please
13:08<stderr>Any reason why we can't talk in the channel, so others can help too?
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13:09<houms>tim it will be easier/faster for you to get help addressing the channel
13:09<tim__>just everything you posted above well you lost me . I have the site name as it is hosted on dreamhost right now they said i have to set sever as a http ip sever so i can give them the ip number that way that address points to my in home sever didnt know if you could type up coding needed for me to set the vhost still new to this
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13:10<stderr>tim__: Are you running any other websites at home?
13:11<tim__>nope this will be the first one ihave all files and such on this sever but this will be first website
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13:11<musca>bernat: i refuse to install flash, so i found some videos that only play in chromium
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13:11<stderr>First of all make sure your ISP isn't blocking port 80, if they are you're wasting your time... :-/
13:12<stderr>tim__: Is apache already up and running?
13:12<tim__>yes i have installed apache and have a static ip set up
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13:12<ompaul>stderr: this is almost worth it's own factoid I've seen this question too many times in the last couple of weeks :)
13:13*ompaul has no clue where to start with such a venture because it's an essay I guess
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13:14<houms>is the debian handbook obsolete for that piece ompaul?
13:14<stderr>ompaul: If the ISP is sane, it's pretty easy. :-)
13:14<stderr>tim__: Are you online from the connection where the apache server is running?
13:14<stderr>If so, something is blocking port 80.
13:14<tim__>yes I am
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13:15<stderr>If "something" is your ISP, you need to get them to open port 80 or find another solution.
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13:15<tim__>i was told they dont could it be the router that i am connected to?
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13:15<stderr>If it's just a NAT that doesn't forward port 80, you need to fix that yourself.
13:15<ompaul>stderr: I was thinking more of the router / isp issues
13:15<tim__>if so if tell me i can log into router and unblock
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13:16<Guest941>any1 has an idea why i can only run conky in "windowed mode" and not on desktop background?
13:16<houms>tim you have to make sure port 80 is accessible on your public IP (that is ISP)
13:16<stderr>ompaul: Then we would probably need a factoid for each ISP and for each router... :-(
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13:16<tim__>i called comcast yesterday and they said port 80 is open i can log into gateway they gave as well
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13:17<houms>you then need to ensure NAT/port forward is setup on your router to allow the external IP to forward to your servers internal IP, assuming it does not have a public IP itself
13:17<stderr>tim__: I don't know what router you have, so I can't help you regarding forwarding port 80 to your internal apache server.
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13:17<ompaul>tim__: in 99.9% or higher of cases you have to do that, we don't know your router or provider you want to log into it and set NAT or "GAMES ENTRIES" to forward all 80 traffice to the box that is running the server (local lan IP)
13:18<tim__>one sec i will look into that bear with me
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13:19<tim__>ok will have to do that later as it is set up on own router so must be a gate way issue, once i set it up to forward port 80 to this sever should i just come back here for next steps
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13:20<stderr>tim__: While you're looking, could you tell me the hostname you want to use for the site?
13:20<musca>bernat: did you see my screenshot?
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13:20<tim__>host name is
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13:21<stderr>Ok, that hostname doesn't point to your home IP and its time-to-live (TTL) is 14400 seconds, so you want to lower than ASAP.
13:22<stderr>Otherwise you'll have to wait 14400 seconds for the change to work... :-/
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13:22<stderr>You'll probably have to contact dreamhost about lowering the TTL.
13:22<tim__>ya that host name is reg with rightnow however i am droping them as hosting once this sever is set up and they just charge 12 a year to keep the doman named saved for me
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13:24<stderr>tim__: Ok. When changing host it's always a good idea to lower the TTL early in the process.
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13:31<Guest941>any1 has an idea why i can only run conky in "windowed mode" and not on desktop background?
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13:32<retrospectacus>Guest941: what version of debian, what DE, what version of conky, How are you running it exactly?
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13:33<dooglus>hi guys. I switched from ubuntu to debian recently and have noticed a problem with debian that I've been unable to fix so far.
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13:33<dooglus>in ubuntu, when my desktop environment starts up, it sources ~/.Xprofile, and I can set up environment variables there. in debian it isn't sourced. can I somehow arrange for it to happe?/
13:33<halo-huy>I'm an Ubuntu user who is wondering if Debian is better..
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13:34<stderr>halo-huy: It is.
13:34<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell halo-huy about why debian
13:34<stderr>Next question... :-)
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13:34<ompaul>dooglus: use .profile or .bashrc
13:34<halo-huy>I need to know why ;)
13:34<dooglus>or - is there a different file that's sourced as the desktop environment starts in debian?
13:34<retrospectacus>halo-huy: the robot told you in a private message
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13:35<halo-huy>oh, retrospectacus. Thanks.
13:35<dooglus>ompaul: .profile isn't sourced until I log in, and .bashrc is sourced with every shell invocation
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13:36<halo-huy>I'm trying to use Ubuntu server 12.04 to make a robot software, is there a Debian-server edition with long term support?
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13:36<SynrG>dooglus: .profile is sourced by every login shell. the DE starts in a login shell, does it not?
13:36<houms>halo-huy it is wheezy
13:36<dpkg>Wheezy is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See and ask me about <install wheezy> <release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.1>.
13:36<dooglus>SynrG: hmm. let me check
13:36<houms>stable debian version are support for ~3yrs
13:37<halo-huy>ubuntu for 5 years
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13:37<SynrG>dooglus: and if you want X-specific things in that, you can simply test for non-empty DISPLAY
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13:38<dooglus>SynrG: ok. I thikn I've had no luck with that before (it's been many years since I last used debian) but will try again
13:38<halo-huy>Can someone tell me how debian can be better than ubuntu regarding the server edition? Will it be smaller, faster, wider hardware support, or something else??
13:38<halo-huy>* can someone please
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13:38<SynrG>i don't know the ubuntu server edition, so can't comment.
13:38<halo-huy>(The "please" is important there ^_* )
13:38<SynrG>halo-huy: maybe you should just state your requirements
13:38<SynrG>then we can tell you if debian does that
13:39<stderr>From my point of view it seems like Ubuntu takes a Debian, break some random stuff and release that.
13:40<SynrG>halo-huy: regarding your earlier question, stable is supported until the next stable is released, plus 1-year-ish
13:41<ompaul>SynrG: you still haven't got a requirement
13:41<SynrG>halo-huy: given that we go *about* 2 years between releases (there are no hard and fast rules, there, though) that should give you 3 years
13:41<houms>stable debian version are support for ~3yrs
13:41<halo-huy>What about repositories? are they as diverse as Ubuntu's?
13:41<houms>halo-huy that is not a question anyone can really answer
13:41<houms>the package counts are similar
13:41<SynrG>ompaul: sure, except his vague "... to make a robot software", a comment i only just saw now
13:41<houms>in the 10's of thousands
13:42<ompaul>to make robot - so can it cross platform compile yes
13:42<SamB>stderr: I think they have some differences that aren't just breaking stuff. probably.
13:42<ompaul>now you know we can move on
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13:42<halo-huy>my way of making a robot software require a good support for camera tools, webcams drivers, opencv, port control (RS232) and so on..
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13:42<stderr>SamB: Probably. I just know how many problems I have had at work because I was forced to use Ubuntu on one of "my" servers. :-(
13:43<stderr>Thanks FSM I could use Debian on the rest of them...
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13:43<SynrG>halo-huy: debian has those things, so far as i know.
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13:43<ompaul>halo-huy: all that is in debian as for and so on no it doesn't have non specific stuff it has very specific stuff
13:43<halo-huy>Will debian server run faster than ubuntu server? or the same speed?
13:43<ompaul>halo-huy: that is a pointless question
13:43<SynrG>halo-huy: you would do better with a short list of specific packages
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13:44<ompaul>halo-huy: so say it's the same not that you'll humanly notice a difference
13:44<retrospectacus>I made a robot on debian once... good times
13:44<SamB>halo-huy: faster? not likely. more consistantly? I think so.
13:45<halo-huy>I mean is there some remarkable advantages for debian server over my currently installed ubuntu server that neccessitate replacing it with debian?
13:45<dooglus>SynrG: I justy tested it. the propblem is .profil eisn't sourced when I start the desktop environment.
13:45<SynrG>yes. we care about our users.
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13:45<retrospectacus>halo-huy: If you switch, you'd be able to ask questions here. Do you have another reason?
13:45<SynrG>halo-huy: go read ... that's our commitment to you, in a nutshell.
13:46<SynrG>the social reasons for using debian would top *my* list, anyway
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13:47<halo-huy>good point. SynrG . I think I'll linger in #debian channels for some days to compare the support with that of #ubuntu
13:47<SynrG>(and that's inextricably linked with technical reasons -- a distro that puts its users first, before issues of profitability, or marketability, or whatever other motives a distro might have, makes better software)
13:48<SynrG>better for users, i mean. as opposed to better for those other things.
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13:49<halo-huy>retrospectacus: wow! That's a nice robot! Do you have some details about it?
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13:49<SynrG>halo-huy: btw, if it's not support-related, it goes to #debian-offtopic ... where i'm sure if you ask nicely, retrospectacus could give more details :)
13:49<retrospectacus>halo-huy: sure, I can tell you about it in #debian-offtopic
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14:10<halo-huy>Is there a way to run debian on android phones?
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14:11<halo-huy>even if emulated?
14:13<jmcnaught>halo-huy: i think you can run debian in a chroot
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14:14<halo-huy>will that require a rooted phone? Mine isn't
14:15<jmcnaught>halo-huy: i don't know. i searched google for "android debian chroot" and one of the results was in the google play market so I'm guessing that rooting is not necessary. maybe you should take a look, it's probably easy
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14:16<halo-huy>FYI: there are many google play apps that require rooting
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14:18<jmcnaught>oh i wasn't aware, i don't use android
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14:19<halo-huy>never mind jmcnaught. Thanks :)
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14:27<ooops>Hello, can someone please help us with this issue:
14:27<ooops>With A(=1) depends on B(=1) and A(=2) depends on B(=2), and 'apt-get install A=1' we get:
14:27<ooops>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
14:27<ooops> A : Depends: B (= 1) but 2 is to be installed
14:27<ooops>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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14:28<babilen>dpkg: tell ooops -about paste
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14:29<retrospectacus>ooops: use "apt-get -t <some-release> install A " instead of the = syntax
14:29<babilen>ooops: You have to split B into B1 and B2
14:29<retrospectacus>ooops: or, apt-get install A=1 B=1
14:29<babilen>(the package for B(=1) and B(=2) that is)
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14:31<babilen>ooops: That way A1 can depend on whatever version of B1 is the newest release and A2 can depend on whatever version is the newest in the 2.* release of B -- You find many examples of this split for libraries in the Debian archive.
14:31<babilen>judd: v liblucene2-java
14:31<judd>Package: liblucene2-java on i386 -- squeeze: 2.9.2+ds1-1; jessie: 2.9.4+ds1-4; sid: 2.9.4+ds1-4; wheezy: 2.9.4+ds1-4
14:31<babilen>judd: v liblucene3-java
14:31<judd>Package: liblucene3-java on i386 -- wheezy: 3.6.0+dfsg-1; jessie: 3.6.2+dfsg-1; sid: 3.6.2+dfsg-1
14:32<babilen>One example ^^^ But in order to be able to really help you with your packaging you have to be much more specific and you should also ask in #debian-mentors
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14:37<ooops>thanks for your answers.
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14:39<ooops>we understand that we can split packages into distinct names. but in our case, the names would be very long and annoying to use. We have then some meta-packages which depends on exact version (hard-dependencies) and we would believe that dpkg could sort things out beeing able to resolve everything automatically...
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14:41<ooops>in fact we put in version numbers build options which sometimes conflict with each other
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14:45<bernat>musca: thats the chromium from Debian without any external addons?
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14:54<xubuntu>gnome 3 is buggy
14:55<xubuntu>I thought debian was supposed to be stable
14:55<emile>what do u mean
14:55<emile>who is this
14:55<xubuntu>it's me
14:55<emile>me who
14:55<xubuntu>I'm testing distros out
14:55<xubuntu>it's Joe
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14:55<emile>i dont know you
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14:56<xubuntu>lol, course not
14:56<xubuntu>don't expect to know every one!
14:56<SamB>xubuntu: what about it do you find buggy
14:56<emile>whose this
14:56<xubuntu>gnome3... debian is ok
14:56<emile>who is samb
14:57<xubuntu>just I don't like the gui and it's not running well on my vm
14:57<emile>i cant download itunes
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14:57<emile>y cant we
14:57<xubuntu>... :I
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14:58<emile>does yours download itunes
14:58<xubuntu>I'm guessing either you're pulling my leg or ure new to linux
14:58<xubuntu>what distro are you using?
14:58<emile>what do u mean
14:58<xubuntu>are you using linux?
14:59<emile>yea and it sucks
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14:59<xubuntu>what kind of linux?
14:59<xubuntu>(and no, it doesn't suck)
14:59<emile>i dont know
14:59<xubuntu>ok, tell me what you see
14:59<xubuntu>describe the interface
14:59<xubuntu>for example: where is the @start bar@ of sorts
14:59<xubuntu>can you see a bar on your screen at the top or the bottom?
14:59<emile>i see freegeek help box
15:00<xubuntu>press ALT > TAB
15:00<xubuntu>tell me what happens
15:00*mtn loves these sorts of conversations. where is my popcorn?
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15:01<emile>this thing poped up then disapeard
15:01<xubuntu>describe the thing
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15:01<xubuntu>what did it look like?
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15:01<emile>it said xchat
15:01<xubuntu>oh, ok. that's cool
15:01<xubuntu>are you using a laptop?
15:02<xubuntu>has it got the internet?
15:02<xubuntu>does the laptop look old or kinda new?
15:02<emile>no not realy
15:02<xubuntu>how old? estimate?
15:03<emile>like i think 3 to 2 years
15:03<xubuntu>ok, cool. what kind of computer do you normally us?
15:03<xubuntu>XP, Vista, 7 or a mac?
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15:04<emile>a dell
15:04<xubuntu>so ure normal pc is a dell?
15:04<xubuntu>so why exaclty do you have this advanced interface at your fingers presently?
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15:04<xubuntu>in other words: what are you doing on linux?
15:05<xubuntu>if you don't mind my asking...
15:05<emile>playing games watching movies nothing else
15:05<xubuntu>oh, ok. cool
15:05<xubuntu>so it's easy enough to use the internet?
15:06<emile>yea it is
15:06<xubuntu>describe how you get onto the internet
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15:06<freelinux>You use linux to play games?
15:06<emile>i use firefox and sometimes crome
15:06<xubuntu>and where on the screen are the buttons for firefox or chrome?
15:07<emile>the bottom of the screen
15:07<xubuntu>cool. is there a similar bar at the top of the screen?
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15:08<xubuntu>oh, ok...
15:08<freelinux>Emile, can you take a screenshot and post it to tinypic?
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15:08<xubuntu>well, I think I can safely assume ure using a debian fork... if not debian
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15:09<xubuntu>here's the good news: iTunes won't work unless ure both a geek, and detirmined
15:09<emile>yeah it os debian
15:09<xubuntu>but there's similar software that can do the trick
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15:09<xubuntu>sound bon?
15:09<freelinux>ok, emile, whats the problem?
15:09<freelinux>why not just use wine
15:10<freelinux>you can run itunes through wine
15:10<xubuntu>[^ more experienced user takes over ^]
15:10<xubuntu>do you know how to get to the terminal?
15:10<freelinux>i need you to type:
15:10<freelinux>sudo apt-get install wine
15:10<xubuntu>sudo apt-get install wine
15:11<freelinux>press y
15:11<freelinux>and hit enter
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15:11<freelinux>why not xubuntu?
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15:11<xubuntu>well, cause I found it was fiddly as hell
15:11<xubuntu>wine software is only really worth it if you really need it
15:12<xubuntu>and does he/she really need it?
15:12<freelinux>it's not hard
15:12<freelinux>well, it
15:12<xubuntu>well, I guess ure lucky with machines. I apply sod's law
15:12<freelinux>it's nice to have it in the future anyways
15:12<freelinux>he said he was a gamer
15:13<xubuntu>did wine work emile?
15:13<freelinux>he probably doesn't know how to use it...
15:13<xubuntu>my case rests...
15:13<xubuntu>hello emile?
15:13<freelinux>it's easy to learn
15:13<emile>hold on gtg
15:13<xubuntu>it's ceirtainly fun, but not easy
15:14<xubuntu>so what distro do you run freelinux?
15:14<freelinux>all of them
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15:14<xubuntu>lol... that being?
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15:14<xubuntu>(favourite or current)
15:15<freelinux>arch linux debian ubuntu puppy linux slax slitaz elementary chakra and my favorite thus far is probably arch.
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15:15<xubuntu>arch, I tried arch out earlier on. Perhaps another year...
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15:15<freelinux>Love how lightweight it is :)
15:15<xubuntu>I use puppy for fixing things
15:16<xubuntu>I'm currently in no-man's land tho
15:16<freelinux>puppy is probably the fastest i have ever used
15:16<xubuntu>currently sick of the bugs in ubuntu and mint
15:16<xubuntu>well, there is tinyos
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15:16<freelinux>oh right
15:16<freelinux>forgot to add mint to my list
15:16<xubuntu>currently I think I'll go for xubuntu or lubuntu
15:16<freelinux>though mint = ubuntu imo
15:16<xubuntu>as my main distro
15:17<xubuntu>forgive my ignorance...
15:17<freelinux>in my opinion
15:17<xmedia>tip for debian game
15:17<freelinux>you want one?
15:17<xubuntu>nnaa... cause ubuntu has Unity
15:17<freelinux>try teeworlds
15:17<freelinux>so what
15:17<xubuntu>teeworlds is kl
15:17<freelinux>just a DE
15:17<xubuntu>Unity is buggy
15:17<freelinux>just change it o-O
15:17<xmedia>web adress game
15:17<xubuntu>yeah, but what it comes with is what it is
15:18<xubuntu>I don't wanna go scraping the crap off
15:18<xubuntu>bye world!
15:18<freelinux>well arch comes with nothing. Don't complain :P
15:18<xmedia>web adress game debian
15:19<rockdrilla[ru]>i'm sorry but i've one question about debian/patches in general. how do i 'diff' between original and modified files? what command line arguments i should use to do this job?
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15:19<rockdrilla[ru]>diff ${args} original modified
15:19<freelinux>you're russian?
15:20<freelinux>just asking
15:20<freelinux>snap im unhelpful
15:21<rockdrilla[ru]>pure genuine russian :D
15:21<rockdrilla[ru]>see this:
15:21<freelinux>!ru rockdrilla[ru]
15:22<Azrael_->i upgraded from lenny to squeeze and ran into a php-problem. when apc is enabled i constantly get this message: [apc-warning] Unable to allocate memory for pool. Increasing the shm_size didn't help, only by disabling apc. is it an improvement? how can i solve this error?
15:22<rockdrilla[ru]>freelinux, are you speaking russian?
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15:38<benbloom>so I'm having trouble loading some kernel modules. anyone got a minute to help troubleshoot?
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15:39<mtn>benbloom: maybe. please describe your problem in detail
15:40<benbloom>thx mtn... will do
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15:41<rockdrilla[ru]>don't forgot to inspect dmesg
15:42<rockdrilla[ru]>use Force^W pastebin and other likewise services
15:42<benbloom>first question mtn, in /etc/modules are modules named without extention or path?
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15:43<mtn>benbloom: just the module name, I believe
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15:46<janbauke1971>hello there
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15:50<benbloom>and does /etc/modules load dependencies automatically like modprobe or do i have to add each manually as i would with insmod
15:51<rockdrilla[ru]>not sure
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15:53<rockdrilla[ru]>try to load via /etc/modules one module which is not loaded by udev or others
15:53<rockdrilla[ru]>i.e. module for missing hardware
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15:54<rockdrilla[ru]>then reboot and inspect list of loaded modules
15:54<rockdrilla[ru]>lsmod | fgrep <module>
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15:56<rockdrilla[ru]>is "diff -Naur a/ b/" is sufficient for making patch (debian/patches/)?
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15:56<benbloom>one other question. why does fuse not show up in lsmod? if i do modprobe fuse, i get no err or output from modprobe, but no fuse in lsmod either
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15:57<benbloom>then if i try to mount a fuse fs i get "fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first"
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15:58<rockdrilla[ru]>is fuse installed?
15:59<rockdrilla[ru]>(as package)
15:59<benbloom>omg. it might not be! how stupid is that! I'm new to building debian from minimal here (ubuntu convert)
16:00<rockdrilla[ru]>it's okay :)
16:00<benbloom>no it's there. apt: "fuse is already the newest version."
16:01<rockdrilla[ru]>i've converted my friend from ubuntu flavour to debian. he's really happy :D
16:01<benbloom>but possibly there is a config problem with fuse. I'll investigate that.
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16:01<rockdrilla[ru]>`apt-cache policy fuse` ?
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16:02<benbloom>but i may have to add users to group fuse as well just thinking of that.
16:02<benbloom>I still don't understand why the module is not showing up in lsmod though. shouldn't it?
16:03<rockdrilla[ru]>egrep -e ^fuse /etc/group | cut -d':' -f4- | tr ':' ' '
16:03<rockdrilla[ru]>my lsmod shows me fuse
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16:04<rockdrilla[ru]>i've no idea about fuse.
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16:04<rockdrilla[ru]>stop. does fuse installation rebuilds initramfs ?
16:04<rockdrilla[ru]>if so - reboot to apply changes.
16:05<rockdrilla[ru]>try purge and reinstall fuse
16:06<rockdrilla[ru]>and look for string "initramfs" in installation log
16:06<rockdrilla[ru]>i'm not sure but it may help.
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16:07<benbloom>k. it's good help
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16:17<rockdrilla[ru]>русские есть?
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16:18<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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16:21<rockdrilla[ru]>freelinux: is "diff -Naur a/ b/" sufficient for making patch?
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16:23<retrospectacus>rockdrilla[ru]: according to the robot, just use -a :
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16:23<dpkg>The diff utility shows the difference between two files. You can use 'diff' and 'patch' to patch binary files! Just pass the -a option to diff, and _BE SURE_ to pipe the output to a file, otherwise you're going to see a lot of noise... Packaged for Debian in diffutils.
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16:25<rockdrilla[ru]>retrospectatus: thanks a lot! :)
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16:26<retrospectacus>actually maybe it is just referring to binary files thing.
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16:35<mammutpanzer>Dear debian community. Yesterday I asked about a bootable USB drive and about BIOS update. The bootable USB drive works. About the BIOS update on my PC. I tried to install Windows 7 64-bit to go to the manufacturer website (which is ASUS) download the tools to update the BIOS and then voila BIOS updated. My debian and my Windows 7 on the PC are both really slow, boot slow, everything slow. I posted the spec and was told that I got a
16:35<mammutpanzer> fast PC. Also when I boot debian I get the following message: [ 0.016000] ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC. Can anyone help me?
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16:36<mammutpanzer>Oh and on the Windows 7 process. I can start Windows 7. When I log in it says welcome then I get black screen and after 30 mins or so the PC rebooots :(
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16:40<retrospectacus>mammutpanzer: google suggests to add "noapic" to the kernel option.
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16:50<utente>hi all. I have debian with lxde. at boot, automatically i get into graphic mode and pop up the window of lightdm that ask me user and password. how can i temporary disable all aof this? i wish to boot and have a nomra CLI login.
16:52<retrospectacus>utente: "insserv -r lightdm" or simply press Ctrl-Alt-F2
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16:54<utente>retrospectacus, i know how to move to CLI, but i need that X dont start at all. i can remove it, but is a overkill. is enough to me to disable it start onlyt for a moment., mayme to rename of change somethin into /etc/init.d could be enough: do you know how to do?
16:54<retrospectacus>yes; the insserv command I mentioned
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16:55<miwa>I wanted to install a JDK on a server, so I went for openjdk-7-jdk, but that package seems to have alot of dependencies, for example X, which I don't want to install. I tried installing openjdk-7-jre-headless, but that didn't help, the jdk still wants X. Is there a (reasonably easy) way of installing a JDK without X?
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16:56<utente>sorry, i read wrong. so "insserv -r lightdm" will block it? good.
16:56<miwa>utente: you should uninstall or disable your display manager (I think the default is maybe gdm? not sure), that should stop X from starting at boot
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16:59<mammutpanzer>retrospectacus what happens if I do the noapic option? It has to do something or?
16:59<retrospectacus>miwa: I can't see any reason openjdk-7-jdk would pull in X. Can you put your "apt-cache policy", command and output on
17:00<retrospectacus>mammutpanzer: I don't understand the question
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17:02<mammutpanzer>retrospectacus I tried searching the web but I have not found a good explanation yet what this APIC thing does. What happens if I disable it?
17:02<retrospectacus>mammutpanzer: I've no idea, did you try it?
17:03<dpkg>From the Linux Kernel Parameters documentation (<kernel-params>): noapic - [SMP,APIC] Tells the kernel to not make use of any IOAPICs that may be present in the system.
17:03<mammutpanzer>I don't know how to do the noapic thing. I am currently investigating on this
17:03<retrospectacus>whatever that means
17:03<miwa>retrospectacus: here: I included also the output of showpkg on the jdk package, which shows among other dependencies visualvm, which I guess in turn depends on X...
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17:05<retrospectacus>mammutpanzer: edit /etc/default/grub and add noapic to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT value. ("quiet noapic" probably) -then run update-grub and reboot
17:07<retrospectacus>miwa: visualvm is only a "suggests" for me
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17:10<radubogdan>I'm getting confused installing skype...
17:10<radubogdan>i've followed debian's wiki, but here is the output for dpkg:
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17:11<mtn>radubogdan: one more step, it is in the wiki
17:11<radubogdan>yeah, but there's the problem
17:11<radubogdan>and when i try apt-get -f install he wants to remove skype:386
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17:12<devil>radubogdan: do you have multiarch installed?
17:12<radubogdan>i've dpkg --add-architecture i386
17:12<radubogdan>and update first
17:13<miwa>retrospectacus: that's strange, what version are you running?
17:13<devil>try to install the dependencies manualy and see which one removes
17:13<devil> skype:386
17:13<devil>[23:12:08] <devil> radubogdan: do you have multiarch installed?
17:13<retrospectacus>miwa: that's for 7u25-2.3.10-1~deb7u1
17:13<miwa>retrospectacus: oh, you're right, I was reading the output of showpkg wrong
17:14<miwa>I'm still a bit unused to the debian packaging tools ^^
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17:15<mammutpanzer>retrospectacus I started grub and pressed "e". How do I save the change?
17:17<retrospectacus>mammutpanzer: no idea, who told you to do that?
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17:18<retrospectacus>I think you press B to boot, or enter or something
17:18<retrospectacus>I told you to edit default/grub
17:18<radubogdan>You have the key for continue on the screen
17:18<radubogdan>i think is F something
17:19<radubogdan>oh sorry devil, still waiting for an answer didn't see your support
17:19<devil>mammutpanzer: ctl-x
17:20<radubogdan>actualy i used synaptic and check my broken package(skype) for a complete removal
17:20<retrospectacus>devil: I think he is editing the kernel option at the grub menu now?
17:20<devil>mammutpanzer: but you were not meant to edit the bootline but the file itself
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17:20<devil>retrospectacus: ŷes
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17:21<radubogdan>devil, i've tried again with dpkg (after complete removal) and it's the safe, apt-get -f install won't install any dependencies .. because i already have them
17:21<retrospectacus>although trying it from grub first is a good test, before changing the system more permanently
17:21<radubogdan>i check them with apt-cache policy .. version is good
17:21<retrospectacus>radubogdan: (they need to be the i386 versions)
17:22<radubogdan>I think they are not i386
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17:22<mammutpanzer>devil did I misunderstand something? :S
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17:23<devil>mammutpanzer: well, doing it your way is an ok test before editing the real file. your way out to go on booting is ctrl-x
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17:23<devil>radubogdan: that is why i recommended to install the manual(in 386 version) to see which one is removing skype
17:24<radubogdan>can i keep the current ones and install i386 near them?
17:24<devil>that is what multiarch is all about
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17:25<radubogdan>of... sucks to manually install :)
17:25<devil>no, it does not, it helps
17:26<mammutpanzer>devil I reboot my PC waited for grub to start pressed e, (so that I am at the edit area) there is a line linux /boot/... ro quiet
17:26<mammutpanzer>I added noacpi and pressed control x
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17:26<devil>yes, add your argument there and then hit ctrl-x
17:26<miwa>okay, so the --no-install-recommends option to apt-get solved my problem, I didn't know about that option before, thank you retrospectacus for your help :)
17:26<retrospectacus>I thought it was "noapic"
17:27<devil>makes more sense there anyways
17:28<retrospectacus>miwa: cool. Glad you figured it out
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17:33<miwa>hmm.. so I guess there's a difference between "recommended" and "suggested" packages? where would I go to read up more on the packaging system?
17:33<radubogdan>devil, so this is the list ?
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17:34<mammutpanzer>okay now the MP-BIOS bug is gone. However I got a new issue (but I also had it before making the change to grub): Checking root file system...fsck from util-linux 2.20.1. It says fsck died with exit status 4 . Do you need more info?
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17:34<devil>radubogdan: i seen that half an hour ago
17:34<radubogdan>i realize is the same
17:34<radubogdan>but don't understand how this works
17:35<devil>radubogdan: did you install all packages single with apt?
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17:35<radubogdan>so i'm trying to install libc6:i386 but this one have unmet dependecies too
17:35<devil>one after the other?
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17:36<devil>radubogdan: maybe that is the crux. try all others first
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17:37<radubogdan>all of them are weird devil
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17:37<radubogdan>Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
17:37<radubogdan>requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
17:37<radubogdan>distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
17:37<radubogdan>or been moved out of Incoming.
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17:39<mammutpanzer>devil can you help me on my fsck issue?
17:39<devil>mammutpanzer: i am on the run in a minute, sorry, dog needs a walk :(
17:40<mammutpanzer>maybe you are back later?
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17:40<devil>probably, but there is many people here
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17:40<radubogdan>devil: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming.
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17:41<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell radubogdan about bat
17:41<radubogdan>for every package from that list
17:41<devil>radubogdan: are you using debian stable?
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17:42<blink>hi, I was in here earlier this week with a initrd problem; I am now abe to reliably replicate this bug.
17:42<retrospectacus>blink: what version of debian?
17:42<radubogdan>i needed 3 packages from sid
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17:43<blink>wheezy, updated to most recent packages, standard install on an HP DL380G8
17:43<devil>radubogdan: i run sid, so I can not reliably state that skype installs atm in stable
17:43<devil>maybe someone else can
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17:43<blink>after I instal gnome-core it refreshes the initrd and when I reboot, the initrd has no scsi or hspa loaded
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17:45<retrospectacus>mammutpanzer: what is your issue now?
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17:47<blink>is this worth troubleshooting for anybody else or should I just file a bug and start building my own monolithic kernel
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17:47<badan>Hello. I have followed a bad tutorial in order to increase the root filesystem of a vm. Now it looks like the filesystems are lost.
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17:47<badan>the superblocks on the filesystems.
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17:48<badan>can anyone help me to recover them?
17:48<devil>badan: testdisk might help, look at their website before doing things
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17:50<retrospectacus>blink: an HP G8 is no place for gnome-core, IMO ;)
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17:51<blink>oh I can respect that; it's les for me and more for the poor b*st*rd who switches tapes all day
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17:53<Dentych>Hello folks. I have a networking issue. The connection between my server and me seems to time out a lot. Other people connected to the server (I'm hosting a game server) is also being disconnected frequently with a timed out message. So my question is: How do you go about a problem like this? I've checked various logs, and nothing seems out of the ordinary
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17:53<retrospectacus>Dentych: if "dmesg" doesn't talk about "link down" then it's probably the ISP or something else "on the way"
17:54<Dentych>We have a problem then.
17:55<retrospectacus>or it could be a low-powered VM on an overloaded VM-host, perhaps
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17:55<mammutpanzer>retrospectacus I am running fsck -y now. Seems that some of my debian files got corrupted. Is it normal that this takes really long?
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17:56<retrospectacus>mammutpanzer: yes, depending on the size of the disk, and quantitiy of errors
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17:56<mammutpanzer>ok then I will just let it run. Hopefully it is finished soon :)
17:56<Dentych>What exactly does this "link down" mean? I'm doing some research on dmesg, as I've never used it before. But one time has to be first, right? ;)
17:57<retrospectacus>it just prints the message buffer. If your ethernet is actually becoming disconnected it will say "eth0: link down" (and up)
17:57<retrospectacus>Dentych: is this a VM or a physical server?
17:58<blink>I will let that question sit while I idle. if theres a better place for it, pls pM
17:58<Dentych>retrospectacus: It's a physical. It's a pretty powerful dedicated server
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18:00<retrospectacus>Dentych: it could also seem unresponsive waiting for disk. dmesg might say something about that too. You can use "top" or various other utils to see (in top it is the "wa" number)
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18:02<badan>devil, thanks. let me try
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18:03<Dentych>retrospectacus: First of all, the problem seems to be gone. Second of all, as far as I can read from the dmesg log, something happened to my raid system, and it went into recover mode to fix it
18:03<Dentych>"[ 2.995474] EXT4-fs (md2): INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem"
18:03<radubogdan>devil, i've reduced that list to : libqtgui4, libqtwebkit4 and libssl1.0.0 ... but i don't know how can i install them
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18:05<radubogdan>this is bad:
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18:06<radubogdan>retrospectacus, any ideas ^ ?
18:06<retrospectacus>Dentych: [ 2.995474] indicates that's only 3 seconds into booting. Was that a long time ago?
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18:07<alumno>alguien que me ayude
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18:08<retrospectacus>radubogdan: you have libqt stuff from sid , I guess. I'd say your only options are >upgrade fully to sid or >forget about skype
18:08<retrospectacus>!es alumno
18:08<dpkg>alumno: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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18:08<Dentych>retrospectacus: Lol, I really suck at this part of linux :D - anyway, yeah. That problem is not today then. Neither is the link down. That was 8 seconds into booting then. Well, the dmesg log haven't said anything today as far as I can tell . The last msg from it was at 8.15234
18:08<radubogdan>than someone should edit that wiki and says there that is not possible to install skype on stable
18:09<Dentych>Though, running the dmesg command I get some other data. I'll just look through it, hold on
18:09<devil>radubogdan: i can confirm it works fine on sid
18:09<retrospectacus>radubogdan: it is - I have it. It's impossible if you've discombobulated your system by mixing sources that much.
18:09<mc68040>radubogdan: no, here skype works flawless under wheezy...
18:09<Dentych>It seems as if it's just a raid data-check :/
18:10<retrospectacus>Dentych: well you have a couple more places to check next time it happens (and can ask again here)
18:11<Dentych>retrospectacus: Alright, is there any guidelines as to what to do? I went into "omg I'm being attacked"-mode and checked auth.log and bwm-ng to see if I was being UDP flooded
18:12<Dentych>I also set up SYN flood protection by changing some variables in sysctl
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18:12<radubogdan>I still can't belive someone installed skype with only 5 commands from that wiki..
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18:12<retrospectacus>radubogdan: hundreds before you
18:13<radubogdan>I used 2-3 packages from sid, and keep this machine only for work ... why i'm getting so much trouble?
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18:14<radubogdan>yeah, whatever
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18:15<retrospectacus>Dentych: check "ps faux" for rogue processes, dmesg|tail for errors, df -h for full disk, logs of course...
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18:22<Dentych>retrospectacus: Alrighty, noted! :) Thank you for your help, it's much appreciated!
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18:37<mammutpanzer>retrospectacus there is another thing I have been wondering about and I have not found any answer searching with search engines for it. When I boot my debian on my laptop (which I am using right now) the debian shows a lot of lines when I boot. Is there a way to actually read all the stuff before it goes into login?
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18:40<retrospectacus>mammutpanzer: yes:
18:40<dpkg>bootlogd (provided by sysvinit-utils in Debian 6.0 "Squeeze") is used to record boot messages, it is not a command (as opposed to dmesg). bootlogd is disabled by default, set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to populate /var/log/boot. bootlogd was moved to a separate bootlogd package in Debian 7 "Wheezy"; to continue recording boot messages, install this package (/etc/default/bootlogd no longer exists).
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18:41<devil>retrospectacus: factoid needs to be reviewse, afaik bootlogd is default on by now
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18:42<devil>if my memory does not betray me
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18:43<mammutpanzer>retrospectacus I installed bootlogd I am using weezy do I also need to configure it or is it working after installation?
18:44<retrospectacus>mammutpanzer: you may need to reboot, I guess. I haven't tried it
18:45<mammutpanzer>okay I will. be back later
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18:45<bernat_>devil, I think the factoid is up-to-date, check the last sentence
18:46<devil>bernat_: oh, did not read that far :)
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18:47<devil>so just ignore me :)
18:48<bernat_>no, your comments are welcomed :-)
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18:49<retrospectacus>it could stand to be updated, focus on wheezy... it's a bit convoluted overall
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18:52<devil>yeah, nowadays you need to install it and it's there at your next boot, which is a good thing
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18:52<bernat_>I agree
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18:56<mammutpanzer>okay about bootlogd. I checked the log but the entry I see on boot is not in the boot log. Could it be that the entry I see is before bootlogd is started?
18:56<retrospectacus>!no, bootlogd is <reply>bootlogd is used to record boot messages in /var/log/boot - install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6 "squeeze", bootlogd is provided by sysvinit-utils; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd
18:57<Morgan_Freeman>Is this photo SFW?
18:57<devil>well, there is stuff that does not get picked up from early boot
18:57<devil>the messages you speak of fall into that phase
18:58<mammutpanzer>Then my only chance is too reread :<
18:58<mammutpanzer>if I manage to be fast enough
18:58<bernat_>mammutpanzer, are you looking for /var/log/dmesg?
18:58<retrospectacus>Morgan_Freeman: do you have a debian support question?
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18:58<devil>mammutpanzer: yes, but a lot of those early boot messages are warnings, not errors. mostly they do no harm
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19:01<bdefreese>Hi folks. Is there any chance anyone here uses (or tries to use) libnss-ldap?
19:01<retrospectacus>bdefreese: assume everyone knows everything except you, and ask your real question
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19:02<bdefreese>retrospectacus: I am trying to find some users of libnss-ldap. The packages is a mess and I am working on a QA upload but I need some testers. :)
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19:04<bdefreese>Or I may remove the package from the archive, can't tell yet. :)
19:04<devil>no ldap on me :)
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19:16<mammutpanzer>devil I think I found the message in dmesg: [ 9.233627] [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree.
19:17<devil>mammutpanzer: then you need to install that, activate non-free in your sources first
19:17<mammutpanzer>Update: fsck is still running (wow this is taking a long time)
19:18<stderr>Unless you have been waiting for 12+ hours, you don't know what a long time is... :-/
19:18<mammutpanzer>devil may I ask what exactly this error is? Is it that my laptop can't use the full function of my radeon graphics card?
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19:18<mammutpanzer>stderr okay I will wait longer. May I ask how you come to 12+ hours?
19:19<devil>it is not an error. its a warning that you are missing a package
19:19<devil>since it is nonfree, it cannot be shipped
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19:19<stderr>mammutpanzer: It depends on the size of your partition and how full it is, but for some of mine, I have to wait for more than 12 hours.
19:20<stderr>One of them can take a day or two... :-/
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19:20<stderr>(I should probably split that partition up...)
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19:21<mammutpanzer>devil. I want to stop using none free software as much as possible. Works for almost everything. (maybe except games) Do I really need this non-free package?
19:21<devil>mammutpanzer: yes, you do :(
19:21<devil>the radeon driver needs it
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19:23<mammutpanzer>devil I change source.list and add non-free to the entries manually?
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19:29<stderr>mammutpanzer: If you want to, you can remove non-free again after installing the packages. But that means no security updates for that package.
19:29<mammutpanzer>I would like to start a program like kwrite from terminal and then use the terminal parallel to kwrite. I remember you need to do something but I forgot what and seem to use the wrong key words when using search engines. Can anyone help me?
19:29<devil>mammutpanzer: kwrite &
19:29<mammutpanzer>thanks for info stderr
19:29<mammutpanzer>thanks devil
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19:50<_jb>i'm having an issue with oldstable Release files and debmirror. google's not been any help so far.
19:51<_jb>anyone have a pointer I can hunt down?
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19:52<Infiltrator>_jb: Firstly, I would ditch google. (See the PRISM scandal). Secondly, we need more info; what's the issue; what are the error messages?
19:52<_jb>Infiltrator: eh, goog for this works. DDG wasn't any better.
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19:53<_jb>all other issues aside, error causes me to be unable to install Squeeze packages
19:53<_jb>specific error is akin to this:
19:53<_jb>Ignoring missing Release file for dists/squeeze/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz
19:54<Infiltrator>Have you tried using another mirror?
19:54<_jb>hmm, i'm using the redirector for let me see if i can specify one
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19:56<themill>Is that actually an error?
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19:56<themill>"Ignoring" normally means quite the opposite.
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19:57<_jb>themill: if it's ignoring a file that's there, and i'm not instructing the application to ignore the file
19:57<_jb>that's an error, no?
19:57<_jb>second, it's listed as an error
19:57<themill>full output in a pastebin might be easier for us to work with here. My ESP is a little rusty.
19:58<_jb>themill: mine too.
19:58<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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19:58<_jb>except this is debmirror
19:59<themill>(Do you actually need a mirror in any case? 99% of the time a caching proxy is much better)
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20:00<_jb>trust me, we need a mirror
20:01<themill>Unless you're headed off on a desert trip or planning on doing archive-wide QA on binary packages, probably not. But whatever. If you want help, try providing us with some information.
20:01<_jb>sample of the debmirror log output
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20:01<_jb>i'm only really asking for pointers
20:02<_jb>as i'm stymied.
20:02<stderr>What mirror are you connected to?
20:03<bernat_>funny you pasted the only line that wasn't an error :-)
20:03<_jb>stderr:, so a redirector
20:03<_jb>bernat_: sorry, explain a bit.
20:03<stderr>Ok... Let me ask another way: What IP are you connected to?
20:05<_jb>R S Y N C . O S U O S L . O R G -- or
20:05<_jb>hrm, that's fairly consistent. let me check something
20:05<themill> is not a redirector, it's a round-robin dns and that's often a problem
20:05<dpkg>Some mirrors like have multiple machines serving them in a DNS round robin. This often isn't a problem but if one machine hasn't updated properly or is down, this can cause apt to complain (e.g. with hashsum mismatch). Instead, use a mirror redirector (ask me about <>) or pick an individual mirror that is close to you (ask me about <mirrors>).
20:06<_jb>themill: thank you. my misunderstanding then.
20:06<stderr>I have checked both and dists/squeeze/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz is there...
20:06<stderr>Checked and too. Same thing.
20:06<themill>Is the rsync path right?
20:06<_jb>stderr: issue appears to be Release
20:06<_jb>themill: checking that.
20:07<stderr>Seems to be there too. 04-May-2013 08:31
20:07<_jb>themill: appears so. this is an automated script that worked until a couple days ago
20:08<themill>_jb: the debian part of the mirrors haven't changed in that time, but not all mirrors even offer rsync so that may well have changed.
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20:09<_jb>themill: i'm thinking the same thing right now. perhaps I'll switch to http and use http.debian
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20:10<stderr>_jb: Can you dumb the output of tcpdump -i eth0 -s0 -nvvX port rsync on
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20:10<stderr>Assuming you don't have a lot of other rsync-connections running at the same time...
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20:11<_jb>there's likely to be a few hundred rsync sessions. we use rsync very heavily.
20:11<_jb>give me a moment while i test http
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20:17<_jb>thank you. i may have found part of the problem.
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20:39<geopete123>has anybody seen ls -al on /dev/snd/controlC0 having crw-rw---T+ with a big does one manually set big T and a + on the end.
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20:40<geopete123>i looked at the notes on chmod...and did not see an option for setting big T anywhere..and neither the + on the end.
20:40<bernat_>geopete123, those are special files
20:41<geopete123>bernat_..right you are..but there must be a special way to create them manually
20:41<geopete123>bernat...what is the big T symbolizing and how do you put a + on the end
20:42<bernat_>I don't know
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20:44<jello>geopete123: i believe the T is the sticky bit
20:45<jello>aka restricted deletion flag
20:45<geopete123>jello..nope that is the little t
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20:46<jello>geopete123: no, if there's no other execute perm, it uses capital T
20:46<geopete123>i currently have a trade off..i can make sound work without that jazz..but if do no DE will load..and if i change permissons on /tmp...a DE will load but i lose sound
20:46<jello>geopete123: the + means that there's and ACL attached to the file
20:46<geopete123>jello...yes i did see an acl..but it was not that odd.
20:47<geopete123>right now i am trying to work with kernel source...and if i put u:george:rw..i can use sound but not gnome
20:47<jello>geopete123: why are you changing perms on /tmp?
20:47<jello>that seems like a very bad idea
20:47<geopete123>and if i put u:george:rwx...on /tmp/. i can use gnome but not sound
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20:47<blast007>geopete123: check the section about sticky bits
20:47<geopete123>so it is a hell of a tradeoff
20:48<themill>(use stat not ls to look at the permissions like that -- it's a lot easier)
20:48<geopete123>and i cannot duplicate the settings on that snd device
20:48<jello>geopete123: why not add george to the audio group?
20:48<geopete123>jello..i did but acl cancels all that crap
20:48<geopete123>so i have this tradeoff i encountered.
20:49<geopete123>and i am puzzled how to fix it
20:49<geopete123>if i use acl u:george:rw on /tmp/. then alsamixer will save the setttings but gnome will not initialize...but if i use u:george:rwx...then alsamixer will not save the settings but gnome will initialize.
20:50<geopete123>so i still cannot get to use flash video with any sound on the internet
20:51<jello>geopete123: /tmp needs to be owned by root:root, with perms 1777
20:51<themill>there should be no need to use ACLs here at all
20:51<geopete123>and i am just wondering if it is some 3rd setting i am missing
20:52<geopete123>like that big T jazz
20:52<stderr>More like too many settings.
20:52<jello>geopete123: time-out
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20:52<geopete123>stderr...yep...real needles in a haystack
20:52<jello>geopete123: start from the beginning, what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve?
20:53<geopete123>ok if i dont set any acl on /tmp/. alsamixer will mute the master volume and not save the left slider level
20:53<jello>geopete123: when does it mute it?
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20:54<stderr>geopete123: It seems you were trying to find a needle in a haystack by adding more hay...
20:54<geopete123>if i set acl george:rw on /tmp/. alsamixer will not be muted every time you run it..and also restores the saved left master level
20:54<geopete123>stderr...yep i could not agree more with that statemnet
20:55<geopete123>but with that setting i cannot log into gnome
20:55<jello>geopete123: leave /tmp alone, please
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20:55<blast007>geopete123: what are the ACLs being used for?
20:55<jello>just have /tmp owned by root:root with perms 1777 & no ACLs
20:55<geopete123>so if i set acl rwx i can log into gnome but alsamixer will have the left master control muted and zeroed
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20:55<jello>we can solve whatever problem you have in other ways, but don't mess with /tmp
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20:56<geopete123>jello..i know that doggone world /tmp stuff
20:56<geopete123>with many differet owned subdirs
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20:57<jello>okay, so if /tmp is normal, what exactly is the problem you're having? the alsa levels when you log into gnome?
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20:58<geopete123>jello...consider them as two separate apps...
20:58<geopete123>jello from a console alsamixer is one app
20:58<geopete123>and from a console gdm is one app
20:58<geopete123>depending on the acl for / or the other will work but not both
20:59<stderr>Please stop speaking about ACL on /tmp...
20:59<jello>geopete123: that's a misdiagnosis of the problem on your part
20:59<geopete123>well you can launch gdm but it will not let you log into gnome.
20:59<geopete123>jello..very likely...with so much hay
20:59<jello>leave /tmp alone, and tell me what doesn't work and we'll fix it so that it does -- without mucking with /tmp
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20:59<geopete123>ok i reset /tmp to 1777
20:59<geopete123>and zeroed the acls
21:00<geopete123>'and now alsamixer will not work.
21:00<geopete123>from a console within gnome
21:00<jello>geopete123: are you a member of the audio group?
21:01<jello>so, if you run `id -a` within that console, it shows "29(audio)"
21:01<geopete123>alsamixer left master will be muted and zeroleveled every time you execute the program
21:01<jello>geopete123: see my question above ^^
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21:02<geopete123>id -a
21:02<geopete123>uid=1001(george) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),7(lp),10(wheel),16(cron),18(audio),19(cdrom),88(nullmail),103(pulse),104(pulse-access),250(portage),406(utmp),65534(nobody)
21:02<jello>geopete123: okay, great
21:02<geopete123>but the left slider will always be at zero and muted
21:02<jello>geopete123: we can fix that, but give me a minute
21:03<geopete123>whenever i execute alsamixer or any sound app like ogg123
21:03<jello>geopete123: what happens if you run `amixer info` within the console?
21:03<geopete123>amixer info
21:03<geopete123>Card default 'I82801BAICH2'/'Intel 82801BA-ICH2 with AD1885 at irq 17'
21:03<geopete123> Mixer name : 'Analog Devices AD1885'
21:03<geopete123> Components : 'AC97a:41445360'
21:03<geopete123> Controls : 36
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21:04<geopete123>don't kick me out for answering a is not a massive flood
21:04<themill>please use for output
21:04<jello>geopete123: the bot kicks anyone who pastes more than 3 lines
21:05<jello>geopete123: anyway
21:05<geopete123>jello so that is the result of amixer info as you asked
21:05<jello>geopete123: okay, thanks
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21:05<jello>geopete123: can you run `amixer controls` and paste the result?
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21:06<geopete123>no that would be a flood
21:06<stderr>.. on
21:07<jello>geopete123: yes,
21:07<jello>or you can use the pastebinit package
21:08<geopete123>Posting 18399 from george posted at 2013-07-25
21:08<jello>geopete123: actually, can you do `amixer scontrols` instead?
21:08<geopete123> you have a way to view that receipt
21:08<geopete123>jello yes
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21:09<jello>geopete123: fyi, it shows up at
21:09<geopete123>Posting 18400 from george posted at 2013-07-2
21:09<geopete123>jello ok there is the second receipt
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21:11<jello>geopete123: please paste the output from `amixer sget 'Master'`
21:11<geopete123>amixer sget master
21:11<geopete123>amixer: Unable to find simple control 'master',0
21:11<geopete123>jello that seems to be the problem in the nutshell...and acl /tmp/. makes a difference for somereason
21:12<jello>geopete123: please type it exactly as I wrote: amixer sget 'Master'
21:12<jello>if it were a permission problem, you should get a different error
21:13<geopete123>Posting 18401 from george posted at 2013-07-25
21:13<geopete123> it has something to do with rwx vs rw not x on /tmp
21:14<geopete123>jello whatever that clue implies
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21:14<jello>geopete123: no, it does not
21:14<stderr>geopete123: You're wrong.
21:14<geopete123>jello..ok fine..then it a spurious correlation
21:15<stderr>No, you got an error because you typed the wrong command. No correlation at all.
21:16<geopete123> i am not talking about that..i am talking about the acl issue that a spurious correlation then
21:17<jello>geopete123: now run `amixer sset 'Master' 100%,100% unmute`
21:17<stderr>Ok, don't trust the people who're trying to help you.
21:17<geopete123>stderr..ok i did that
21:17<geopete123>it says playback 63
21:17<geopete123>should i try ogg123
21:18<geopete123>to see if it will zero and mute it as usual
21:18<jello>geopete123: first, check alsamixer and see what it looks like
21:18<geopete123>jello ok
21:18<geopete123>yes alsamixer zeroed it and muted it as usual
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21:19<jello>geopete123: ok, please run the sget command again
21:19<jello>does it give the same response as in #18401?
21:19<kanliot>on my pc the master is always 00 it seems to be normal
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21:20<geopete123> it is not normal
21:20<jello>geopete123: what happens if you run the sset command and then the sget command?
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21:20<geopete123>jello it zeroes it
21:20<geopete123>and mutes it
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21:21<geopete123>sset unmutes it at 63..and sget zeroes it and mutes it
21:22<jello>geopete123: do you have pulseaudio installed?
21:22<geopete123>jello..and you are sure the acl result provides no useful clue to what is happening
21:22<geopete123>jello..well pulse is installed but i don't see it as an alsadevice
21:22<jello>geopete123: pulseaudio takes over when it is installed
21:22<geopete123>jello as i do on some distros
21:23<geopete123>i see two devices on some distros
21:23<jello>you need to set the volume, etc... through it
21:23*jello just removes pulseaudio altogether
21:23<geopete123>jello how do you do that
21:23<jello>geopete123: see the packages pavucontrol & pulseaudio-utils
21:23<geopete123>jello...i don't see alsamixer automatically detecting it as it does on some distros
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21:24<geopete123>jello..ok let me see if i can find them
21:25<jello>geopete123: pavucontrol is what you want
21:25<geopete123>i am looking for it
21:25*jello know next to nothing about pulseaudio
21:25<geopete123>jello..i don't know why that high latency pulse stuff is even included
21:26<geopete123>yes there is a package on it
21:26<geopete123>jello...let me try to install it
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21:27<jello>or, if you want to, you can remove pulseaudio altogether
21:28<geopete123>jello well i built so many apps based on would be a major rebuild to get it out
21:29<geopete123>jello..but personally i might make two builds for with and one without
21:29<jello>okay, no problem, it should work -- i'm just not very familiar with it
21:29<geopete123>jello..well i don't give a crap about layers and layers of complex stuff which makes finding a needle in a haystack more difficult
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21:30<geopete123>jello..but anyway that is the way it is for right now...not nearly as simple as years ago
21:30<mongrol>anyone else find iceweasel's scrolling to be incredible slow compared to any other browser?
21:31<geopete123>mongrol..i run into that on some websites but not all
21:31<geopete123> how fast it scrolls on slackwares site
21:31<mongrol>just turned smooth scrolling off, its better but still has some lag
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21:32<geopete123> did you turn it off?
21:32<mongrol>prefs, Advanced, General
21:32<mongrol>there's a tickbox
21:32<mongrol>laughably there's also a "use hardware accel" option
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21:33<geopete123>mongrol...all these websites do all kinds of jazz and really mess up the browsers
21:33<geopete123>mongrol..but you should see fast scrolling at slackware
21:34<kanliot>you need a more expensive mouse
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21:34<kanliot>the new mice have better wheels
21:34<mongrol>still get lag at slackware
21:34<mongrol>must be my mouse
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21:34<geopete123>really let me see..i don't but i will check today
21:34<mongrol>its like inital lag
21:34<paco123>hello guys, I'm a little shortsighted and I used for a long time gnome2+compiz with Enhanced Zoom Desktop, now I'm using openbox, what can I use to zoom certain zones sometimes? I've been searching and found xcompmgr, but I think that won't help me.
21:34<mongrol>the page doesn't instantly scroll when I move the bar
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21:35<geopete123>mongrol...well i can't tell anything right now because i am compiling some i will check in a minute
21:36<kanliot>i'm running iceweasel and it seems slow, but then this whole pc is slow
21:36<mongrol>tis ok, I can live with it
21:36<geopete123>kanliot..well have you moved into swap activity..what does conky say
21:36<stderr>paco123:Maybe xmag or xzoom? But I haven't tried them...
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21:36<kanliot>new sites have all this floating stuff
21:36<kanliot>that needs to refloat when you scroll
21:37<geopete123>kanliot..i think a lot of websites just try to screw up browsers
21:38<geopete123>or tell you there is a file available but give you a download button for malware instead
21:38<paco123>xzoom looks promising, xmag doesn't seem to be available in wheezy
21:38<kanliot>this whole www thing is a dead end
21:38<kanliot>were going back to print
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21:39<kanliot>ki im done
21:39<stderr>paco123: It's in x11-apps, but I just tried it and it's... not good. :-)
21:39<geopete123> is riddled with malware...if you try to look for a free midi made by will get 7 inches of toolbars and one inch of screen in your browser
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21:39<paco123>oh yes, stderr xzoom seems to be better
21:41<geopete123>man that gtkmm build is taking some time
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21:41<geopete123>i can't understand why every SINGLE app require 25 other apps.
21:42<geopete123>how does anyone keep track of 25 apps when they are just writing one small one
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21:43<geopete123>and atkmm and giomm and cairomm and etc ..etc...etc.
21:44<geopete123>just for some pulse mixer control that is supposed to be least in some distros
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21:46<geopete123>and i am not sure if i have to make refinements on the kernel just for that issue
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21:47<geopete123>but at least the code is available for tampering with..when everything dont' work
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21:48<geopete123>and gtkmm and gdkmm etc etc
21:48<geopete123>ok finally pavucontrol to build
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21:49<geopete123>who are these people that keep 25 applications and library routines in their head just for writing a small piece of code
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21:51<geopete123>nope doesn't recognize the pulse mixer control..let me reboot and see if that makes any difference
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21:53<emile>hey i need help
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21:55<geopete123>nope that did not fix anything...same old same old...and nothing there a way to manually set it
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21:58<geopete123>just results in failed
21:58<geopete123>maybe some special configuration is necessary for all this unnecessary bloat
21:59<stderr>Or you could remove it.
21:59<geopete123>This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified).
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22:00<geopete123>and for ordinary user segfaults or something
22:01<geopete123>start-pulseaudio-x11 --system
22:01<geopete123>E: [pulseaudio] main.c: --start not supported for system instances.
22:01<geopete123>so far this is a very puzzling problem
22:02<geopete123>any ideas on this info
22:03<geopete123>one clue says failed to load gnomesegvhandler and UNABLE to connect to pulse audio :OK
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22:05<geopete123>i guess i will just try to rebuild from scratch without that pulse jazz
22:06<geopete123>so people can use their own hardware.
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22:14<geopete123>but it is going to be a problem when two programs try to access the audio device at the same time ...i think
22:14<geopete123>as far as i know that was one of the claims of pulse
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22:15<geopete123>but this stuff sure aint ready for prime time
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22:17<geopete123>after 10 years on one would think something would work but this is sadly not the case
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22:17<themill>geopete123: I'd advise generalising from your experience to "prime time". This stuff does work out of the box with nothing for the user to do... but the time you start frigging with modes on /tmp and acls on devices, you're already passed breaking stuff.
22:18<geopete123>themill...oh yea right ...blame on me with harmless stuff that is easily reversible
22:18<geopete123>themill...your logic doesn't work...
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22:19<themill>no, this stuff does work just fine out of the box for thousands of users.
22:19<geopete123>themill...this stuff has never worked "OUT OF WHAT BOX"
22:19<stderr>geopete123: ... for you.
22:20<kira>tem brasileiro aki?
22:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:20<stderr>kira: Remember the "/join".
22:20<geopete123>themill that is the whole point spend a few years getting something to work...if it ever save a couple of peanuts
22:20<kira>EU SEI
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22:21<geopete123>it is just never seems to be very trivial
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22:22<geopete123>but still might be useful...even if a few things are somewhat broken
22:22<themill>well if your first reaction to things is to start setfacl on them, I can imagine why you spend a lot of time trying to fix things... Seriously, this stuff does work just fine on a fresh install. If you've already got a pile of old config lying around then you might need to do manual reconfiguration
22:23<geopete123>themill..nope i don't have any old configs..what for ..everything keeps "kbd" for example to "evdev" in X
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22:26<geopete123>well at least with that small rebuild ogg123 works repeatedly and alsamixer works repeatedly
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22:26<geopete123>just can't use two apps to access the device at the same time
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22:27<geopete123>i just rebuild...alsa-lib, alsa-oss, and alsa-utils without that pulse jazz
22:27<geopete123>and just use a simple terminal
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22:28<geopete123>the hell with gnome-volume-ctrl...whereever it is supposed to be
22:30<geopete123>work on some kind of solution to that stuff later...right now i am just trying to get that flash stuff working
22:31<geopete123>because all the schools keep putting their content with flash now everyone has to scramble to get flash readers
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22:31<geopete123>if you want to pass your classes
22:32<geopete123>i don't know why schools even use propietary stuff...and then impose the burden on others to keep up with their filthy rich pockets.
22:32*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
22:33<geopete123>instead of teaching students to solve their own problems.
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22:34<geopete123>solve their own problems..not spend money for solutions that others have made available
22:35<geopete123>but uh..i dont have any control over it..i just have to try to find ways to cope with it
22:37<geopete123>and i am still not entirely sure what big T means when little t appears here and there where it make sense
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22:38<geopete123>there just doesn't seem to be any easy solutions right now because everyone keeps trying to complicate everything
22:39<kanliot>linux has always been a pain to install on random hardware
22:39<kanliot>some people will disagree, but theres some truth to that
22:40<geopete123>kanliot...well it is not is recycled as an attempt to put it back in society and make the goods useful for productivity the soceity benefits by improving productivity not MAXIMIZING waste
22:40<kanliot>let's continue this chat in private geopete123
22:41<geopete123>kanliot...ok i don't see any technical solutions at this i will postpone the pulse until whenever
22:44<birch_>I'm trying to use a usb stick as swap but swapon /dev/sdc1 gets "open failed: No such device or address" thoughts?
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22:55<geopete123>birch have you correctly built the kernel to support usb mass storage devices
22:56<geopete123>birch..and to support your chosen controllers
22:56<birch_>geopete123, hm, maybe i'll just have to restart this job and use a local swapfile instead :-\
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22:57<geopete123> just a possibility for you to check
22:58<geopete123>birch there are so many choices like intel's uhci..or nec's stuff or via choose wisely and build the kernel appropriately
22:59<birch_>if i currently have a job going to random an external drive, but i can't access that terminal because i don't have enough ram to use gnome anymore, what's the safest way to cancel that job and shutdown?
23:00<geopete123>birch...oh i see why you wanted to activate swap to get more memory for what you wanted to do
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23:01<birch_>yeah i was trying to use another machine to make a usb drive a swap stick and then increase the ram so i wouldn't have to cancel the job and start over....
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23:01<birch_>but the machine doesn't seem to friendly to the usb swap stick
23:01<geopete123>birch..yes i understood that but your kernel may not have been built for the purpose you intended it
23:01<birch_>then what's the best way to safely cancel the current job?
23:02<geopete123>birch...well i think it is going to be borked just stop process..and umount drive and start from scratch
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23:03<geopete123> have to plan ahead sometimes.
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23:05<geopete123>kanliot..i did not see a response so i closed the window...if you want to contact me i will repone it
23:05<themill>birch_: did you mkswap first? Are you sure that's the right device node? Swap on usb is going to be pretty slow
23:07<geopete123> looks like firefox wants to try to use pulse audio..i guess i will try to build without it and see what happens
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23:08<birch_>hm i managed to make a 7gb swapfile but i still can't ctrl+alt+f7 back into gnome (i get the graphics but the login prompt never shows up)
23:11<geopete123>well this is going to take many hours and it may not work anyway since pulse is one of the deps for the code and i don't know if firefox builds without it
23:12<rjsalts>I've got some proprietary crud linked against openssl 0.9.8b. ldd shows it's looking for would I be better to get ancient version of libssl or can I just do ln -s
23:13<geopete123>rjsalts..i used to do that stuff for fun..but some games quit working without the correct library version
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23:15<geopete123> is really a have to take the risks and hope for returns.
23:16<geopete123>well gotta work on some stuff...thanks for the response even if it never fixes anything
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