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04:02<tom____>hi. I'm having an issue with the keyboard layout in X. Works fine in the console, /etc/default/keyboard looks fine, did dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, also tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but everytime X starts in qwerty.
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04:12<stderr>tom____: Have you read the note in keyboard(5)?
04:13<tom____>stderr: I followed mainly the infos from the debian wiki
04:14<stderr>Link?
04:14<tom____>http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard
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04:15<stderr>Ok, did you read keyboard(5) as it suggests?
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04:16<tom____>currently doing it
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04:20<mohamed>hi
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04:21<tom____>stderr: the man 5 keyboard seems to assume that /etc/default/keyboard is used by the console and X, which is not the case for me.
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04:21<stderr>tom____: Did you read the note?
04:21<tom____>it says i should reboot for the changes to be taken into account for X, which I did already
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04:22<stderr>Ok, you didn't say that.
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04:22<stderr>tom____: Have you tried the udevadm command?
04:23<stderr>Do you have an X config and if so, can you put it on paste.debian.net?
04:23<stderr>Got anything in /etc/X11/xkb?
04:24<tom____>i've just tried to switch back to us with setxkbmap and then run udevadm, but it did'nt do anything
04:25<tom____>stderr: damn. sorry I've got to run. :-/
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04:25<stderr>Ok.
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04:25<stderr>Well, see you...
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04:41<kiree>Hi, where do i start if i want transmission-daemon to log in /var/log/syslog but somewhere else instead?
04:41<kiree>errrrr
04:41<kiree>if i DONT want transmission-daemon to log in /var/log/syslog but somewhere else instead...
04:42<kiree>:)
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04:46<stderr>kiree: I don't use it, but maybe you can set it in /etc/default/transmission-daemon or /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json?
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04:48<kiree>stderr: hmm i cant seem to find a option for that there https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/EditConfigFiles
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04:51<kiree>thx tho!
04:51<stderr>Hmm... Does it say which syslog facility it uses? An ugly solution might be to change where syslog logs that facility?
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04:53<kiree>not as far as i can see. I found a forum post saying to change syslog.conf probably the "ugly" solution you are talking about.. but i dont have such a file (the forum post is a few years old..)?
04:54<gsimmons>kiree: See transmission-daemon's -e option. You can include this within the OPTIONS of /etc/default/transmission-daemon.
04:54<kiree>aaaah, sexy! thanks gsimmons
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04:55<stderr>kiree: Not that it matters now, but I think we're using rsyslog now. The config would be /etc/rsyslog.conf
04:56<kiree>stderr: ok thx!
04:56<tom____>stderr: back. so. nothing in /etc/X11/xkb, no xorg.conf. but I may have an idea. I installed the same system (wheezy+xfce) on two other computers with no problem. but on this one, I first installed a bare system without any X environment, and then installed Xorg + XFCE manually. Maybe a few packages are missing in my X install ?
04:56<sundeb_88>could any on direct me to a good systemd on debian howto?
04:57<stderr>tom____: Could be. dpkg --get-selections might be handy...
04:57<stderr>!systemd
04:57<dpkg>systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy". http://wiki.debian.org/systemd http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #debian-systemd (irc.oftc.net) and #systemd (irc.freenode.net).
04:57<stderr>sundeb_88: ^
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05:02<tom____>stderr: any idea how I could reproduce the default xfce install ?
05:03<stderr>tom____: I meant something like: dpkg --get-selections > /tmp/foo ; ssh login@other-box dpkg --get-selections | diff /tmp/foo -
05:03<tom____>stderr: nice
05:03<stderr>Lines with < is the local box, > is "other-box".
05:03<babilen>dpkg: tell tom____ -about keymap
05:04<stderr>That might give an idea about what's missing, if anything.
05:04<babilen>tom____: You are, most likely, missing the keyboard-configuration package
05:04<tom____>babilen: unfortunately I don't.
05:04<stderr><tom____> ... did dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ...
05:06<babilen>tom____: What about console-setup ? What is you problem exactly? Which display manager (if any) do you use? Is the keymap correct on the consoles?
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05:10<stderr>babilen: As I understood it, he's got qwerty in X, but wants something else (dvorak?) like he does in the console.
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05:17<tom____>babilen: the console works perfectly. I use lightdm and xfce. the problem is : when X starts, it doesn't take into account the configuration stored in /etc/default/keyboard, hence giving me a qwerty keyboard.
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06:37<tom____>babilen: the problem also happens within lightdm, so I guess it rules out xfce config.
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07:10<fl_flipper>i seem to have the weird issue where by when i plugin my usb headset to any usb port on my laptop or connected usb hub I can't seem to et alsa to redirect the sound out put to the headset.
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07:33<zipy>hey, when i add the testing repos in source.list, should uncomment wheezy/updates main too?
07:33<zipy>im not sure if it makes sence to use both
07:34<SynrG>if you're upgrading to jessie, just comment out the wheezy ones
07:34<SynrG>also, see #debian-next for testing/unstable support
07:35<babilen>zipy: Why are you adding testing to your sources.list in the first place?
07:35<zipy>to be up to date since they r pretty stable too
07:35<zipy>and the debian cycles r very long sometimes
07:36<babilen>zipy: "stable" in Debian simply means "not changing" -- and yeah, if you want to upgrade to testing then you don't need *any* wheezy repositories anymore. I would recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable as a lot of the tips in there apply to testing too.
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07:38<babilen>zipy: Depending on which setup you are aiming for you want to use testing, testing-proposed-update and testing-security (not that anything is being uploaded there right now) and, with setting the default release to testing, probably unstable to be able to pull the occasional package from unstable.
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07:39<babilen>zipy: Alternatively use "jessie" in your sources.list and the repositories that are appropriate for that setup. No idea which setup you prefer and so, just thought I point out the options.
07:41<zipy>i think i onyl uncomment the wheezy-updates and use testing main contrib non-free to only recieve update from the newly added testing reppos
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07:42<zipy>and keep wheezy main and wheezy/updates
07:42<ank>#sevilla
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07:42<babilen>zipy: That's not how it works and keeping wheezy is entirely pointless as you will upgrade all packages to testing anyway
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07:44<babilen>zipy: Running testing is a bit tricky and you should familiarise yourself with it, tools such as apt-listbugs (and apt-listchanges) only get you so far. Once you add testing to your sources.list most (if not all at this point!) packages will be upgraded and if not you'll have the same (identical) version in testing. So there really is no point in keeping wheezy sources.
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07:45<zipy>http://paste.debian.net/18943/
07:45<zipy>this will update all to testing?
07:46<SynrG>yes
07:46<SynrG>so all the wheezy lines are now entirely useless
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07:47<SynrG>in a support query your apt-policy will look confusing and time will be wasted sorting out the fact that the wheezy lines don't actually do anything
07:47<SynrG>so you really should just make them go away
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07:48<zipy>ok
07:50<babilen>dpkg: tell zipy about testing security
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07:56<zipy>k so id better stay to stable.. but how can i add software that is only included in testing then
07:57<SynrG>!tell zipy about backports
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07:58<zipy>dpkg tell zipy abouth backports
07:58<zipy>dpkg: tell zipy abouth backports
07:58<dvs>abouth?
07:58<zipy>he doesnt talk :P
07:59<SynrG>zipy: first of all, dpkg seems to be temporarily deaf. second, we reserve public triggering the bot to help someone else
07:59<SynrG>for private inquiries, /msg the bot
07:59<SynrG>third, see http://backports.debian.org
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08:00<SynrG>zipy: so you haven't upgraded yet, even partially? if you have already mixed in testing, i'm afraid there's no going back short of a reinstall.
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08:01<zipy>i uncommented all but testing now
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08:01<SynrG>yay, netsplits. that's twice this weekend.
08:01<zipy>i uncommented all but testing and apt-get update
08:02<zipy>so last chance to stop me from upgrade :D
08:02<SynrG>zipy: i'm getting mixed signals from you. you said:
08:02<SynrG>08:56 < zipy> k so id better stay to stable.. but how can i add software that is only included in testing then
08:02<zipy>yes id better stay to stable
08:02<SynrG>so which is it? :) if you've done nothing but change sources.list and done apt-get update, you're fine.
08:02<zipy>but i wont :P
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08:03<SynrG>once you plunge over that precipice, you're committed to running testing.
08:03<zipy>yes which is ok for desktop pcs
08:04<zipy>i guess i use testing for my desktop pc and stable for servers
08:04<SynrG>there's nothing wrong with running testing. i just want you to understand what you're in for. :)
08:04<SynrG>you seem to be waffling ... (funny coincidence; just now i had waffles for breakfast)
08:05<zipy>dpkg> babilen wants you to know: Jessie is unlikely to receive full security support for some time -- don't run Jessie on things where good security support and stability are important.
08:05<dpkg>zipy: what are you talking about?
08:06<zipy>i had to think about that first ^^
08:06<zipy>so my sources.lost has only 2 lines now
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08:41<Voker57>is there a way to remove package and ignore its hooks? Got some packages here with failing pre-remove hooks so they can't be removed.
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08:43<blast007>Voker57: toss the output (along with the command you're running) on http://paste.debian.net
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09:00<Voker57>blast007: http://paste.debian.net/18956/
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09:03<blast007>do you get the same thing when you try to remove it with apt-get or aptitude?
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09:04<Voker57>yes, originally this error showed up in aptitude during the mass package operation
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09:08<blast007>might be helpful to also provide the output of 'apt-cache policy texlive-math-extra' and 'apt-cache policy' - and then just hang around and someone will hopefully be able to help you out
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09:16<Voker57>http://paste.debian.net/18960
09:17<Serra>Hello i have a problem with the debian installation. I hope you can help me
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09:18<Serra>Im trying to install Debian on my notebook with the testing netinst image
09:18<Serra>in the installation it wants some files from cdrom, but i dont have a cdrom drive
09:19<Serra>i tried to mount my usb-stick under /cdrom
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09:19<Serra>with mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /cdrom
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09:20<flipper88_fl>Serra: Unless you want to be constanly fixing things especially on noet/note books and tablets please stick to squeeze or wheezy
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09:20<Ryccardo>Serra: try, after mounting it, to `apt-cdrom add /dev/sd[...]` -- not sure if it actually works on flash drives
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09:22<flipper88_fl>Ryccardo: Correct me if iam wrong on this one but shuldn't Serra have used unetbootin to load the cd image of testing on his thumb drive?
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09:23<Serra>i did not use unetbootin i will test that
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09:23<flipper88_fl>Try unetbooing and report back to us serra
09:23<chris>where can I manually edit the startup applications for debian7?
09:24<Ryccardo>flipper88_fl: Debian ISOs are now hybrid and can be properly directly dd'd to a device -- which from what I've heard works more consistently than unetbootin
09:24<flipper88_fl>Ok I stand corrected then Ryccardo
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09:26<Ryccardo>flipper88_fl: of course that's half of the process, who knows if the firmware properly implements USB booting (dear apple...)
09:27<flipper88_fl>Ryccardo: Thas why i stick with "good old" Dell
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09:29<Serra>using a "good old" acer aspire one here
09:29<flipper88_fl>Got my Inspiron 1750 for USD 260 after taxes and shipping froma vender on Ebay
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09:41<Serra>using unetbootin did not help. i ran into he same problem
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09:41<blast007>unetbootin just breaks stuff - don't use it
09:42<Serra>i think the debian installer is broken
09:42<flipper88_fl>Serra: Just stick with dd and a freshly downbloaded iso image of the wheezy
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09:43<musca>oh no, you are using the testing netinst image
09:43<Serra>ok i will using the 7.1 netinst image now. or should i use the full image ?
09:43<musca>it's for testing the installer, not for installing testing
09:44<blast007>!usb install
09:44<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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09:49<blast007>Voker57: Also, Debian Testing/Unstable support is in #debian-next
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09:49<Voker57>blast007: the original question is about stable dpkg
09:50<blast007>apt-cache policy shows sid
09:50<Nawfi>guys im using this guide (http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/iPhoneVPNServer) to configure l2tp, I patched l2tpns.c
09:50<Nawfi>how do i compile it
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09:50<Nawfi>only the l2tp binary
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09:53<balaji>balaji
09:53<Serra>i used the wheezy netinst image now. Everything is working till now. Thank you very much
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10:09<kdef>hey, anyone know anything about bluetooth? I want to confirm whether I could get a wireless bluetooth keyboard to work in debian
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10:12<esseks>I'm moving my Debian installation from one partition to another (larger), on the same disk. Is using dd_rescue and update-grub afterwards enough?
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10:25<blast007>kdef: http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser
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11:38<chaoz>hi im trying to setup debian testing on a netbook but the installer reports error about not finding cd-rom, i have tried unetbootin and dd
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11:40<chaoz>anyone alive?
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11:40<devil>nope, all sleeping
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11:41<devil>chaoz: dd to a cd-rom?
11:42<chaoz>im trying to usb stick because it's a netbook (no cdrom) :)
11:42<blast007>chaoz: what ISO are you writing to the stick?
11:42<chaoz>debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
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11:42<blast007>use the wheezy installer
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11:44<andrea_>lor renger
11:44<blast007>after you get wheezy installed, you could just upgrade to testing. As was mentioned to another user earlier, the "testing" installer is for testing the installer, not for installing Debian Testing.
11:44<andrea_>i maghi del crimine
11:45<chaoz>blast007, so with the stable i will not face the cd-rom not found?
11:45<blast007>it has a better chance of working. just don't use unetbootin.
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11:45<blast007>chaoz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03
11:46<chaoz>blast007, ok thank you. do you know any guide of how to install it via usb? and after how to update to testing?
11:46<chaoz>ok i will use the cp way :)
11:46<chaoz>after that i must change the repos -> testing and apt-get dist-upgrade? (update first)
11:46<blast007>as for upgrading, I'm not sure of the exact steps
11:47<chaoz>thank you for the help
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11:53<attila>hello
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11:56<kdef>what's the options for upgrading the kernel in debian? I might need to use 3.10
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11:57<kdef>the only ways I know is to use custom kernels or to upgrade to the one in sid.... so, to install the headers and images for the kernel? for 3.10? then apt-get install that?
11:58<kdef>or google for the options upgrade kernel debian and ?
11:58<kdef>there's a liquorix kernel too... does anyone recommend those other options?
12:00<blast007>kdef: wheezy-backports does have 3.9, dunno about 3.10
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12:10<yuhl>hello, I'd like to *package* tsm: a proprietary software of IBM which is a backup tool.
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12:11<yuhl>IBM only provides rpm package, and I have a done a work of repackaging this for ubuntu. And now I'd like to create a way to automatically installed it
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12:13<esseks>yuhl, you mean that you want to get directions to package for Debian or you would like to have it included in non-free?
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12:13*abrotman would imagine that TSM has redistribution issues?
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12:14<yuhl>get a directions to package this on debian. I hardly remember that there was some guys which could help us on doing this
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12:15<esseks>*Well, since you packaged for Ubuntu, it's basically the same.
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12:16<yuhl>eseeks, yeah, but I'd like to insert it (if possible) in the repo
12:17<esseks>yuhl, as stated by abrotman, you should carefully examine redistribution and licensing conditions and, if necessary, bring in debian-legal
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12:18<Robb>Can anybody help me with an issue i'm having with openvas?
12:18<esseks>Robb, please state the issue and we'll try.
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12:18<Robb>Sure
12:18<yuhl>Is there a way to do such things that was done with "flash-plugin" who dowload the software, create a package and the n
12:18<abrotman>sure, look at how it was done for tha tpackage
12:19<yuhl>eseeks then install it
12:19<Robb>I've been trying to login after installing openvas, but I get this error: Login Failed. OMP service is down
12:20<Robb>I ran this bash script which automatically starts up the services everytime you turn on your machine but I can't seem to login maybe there is an error. Bashscript: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxscripts/files/OpenVAS-EZ-Start/openvas-quick-start.tgz/download
12:20<yuhl>esseks, Does this looks feasable
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12:22<Robb>Anyone?
12:23<esseks>Robb, at first glance, this does not look like a Debian issue, try asking on the OpenVAS ML.
12:25<esseks>yuhl, it certainly is (as abrotman said, have a look at what they did for Flash: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_3.2.tar.gz)
12:26<yuhl>thanks
12:26<abrotman>i really don't know if it can be distributed at all .. it requires a fee to use it
12:27<esseks>abrotman, correct me if I'm wrong, but packaging a downloader script (like that one we are using for Flash) is not redistributing...
12:27<abrotman>esseks: it's not .. but it still requires a fee to use it
12:27<abrotman>i guess it doesn't pass dfsg in about 10 different ways
12:28<daemonkeeper>(which is a challenge since the DFSG has 9 clauses only!)
12:29<abrotman>it's that bad!
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12:30<esseks>daemonkeeper, I remember that the 10th went like "Never package TSM" :P
12:30*abrotman would be curious how well the RPM transforms with alien
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12:31<esseks>abrotman, I think that yuhl wanted to create a package for inclusion in Debian repositories... Otherwise he would have used the Ubuntu package.
12:31<esseks>yuhl, please investigate the licensing and redistribution terms and clarify the fee issue before packaging...
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12:33<yuhl>the fee issue ?
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12:34<esseks>yuhl, the one mentioned by abrotman (I honestly don't know...)
12:34<yuhl>esseks, I should talk with debian-legal ?
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12:35<daemonkeeper>Don't ever touch debian-legal unless you are mentally stabilized and very resistant.
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12:35<esseks>yuhl, well, if the license says something very clear, like "Redistribution and repackaging is allowed", then no. If you feel a legalese-overload coming, then yes, ask them.
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12:36<yuhl>daemonkeeper, okay !
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12:36<daemonkeeper>For startes, what's the license text of your tool?
12:36<esseks>yuhl, by the way, if this is for personal use, you won't have any trouble. Problems come when the thing go public
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12:37<esseks>*goes
12:39<yuhl>daemonkeeper, I did not yet gives some info about it. But since I'm the one who wrote the code, I can easily put it on whathever licence is needed to get into debian
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12:40<yuhl>daemonkeeper, I remember few years ago, when I try to package a wrapper for python fos which I never get a response about the developper about the licence.
12:41<daemonkeeper>yuhl: What's the problem then? If it's your code, chose a license which allows redistribution in binary form. That qualifies for non-free already. If you add free source redistribution and modification it's suitable for main.
12:41<daemonkeeper>*choose
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12:41<daemonkeeper>yuhl: http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#The_DFSG_and_Software_Licenses
12:41<esseks>daemonkeeper, contrib, not main, since it will download non-free binaries...
12:42<daemonkeeper>contrib requires that your program itself is free.
12:42<yuhl>oups the code is the one who transform the rpm into a debian package. The softaware is froç IBM
12:42<yuhl>deamo
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12:42<soulspire>Hello
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12:42<yuhl>daemonkeeper, tsm6-3 client for linux amd64 is on http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21239415
12:43<soulspire>Trying to mount a cd/dvd drive. can't see it atm. Using Debian 7 Wheezy
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12:44<abrotman>damn 120MB download
12:44<esseks>mount the media or phisically install the drive?
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12:44<daemonkeeper>yuhl: Well. I really meant the IBM license.
12:44<soulspire>Mount media, I used this drive to install debian
12:44<abrotman>daemonkeeper: i'm trying to find it
12:44<soulspire>inserted a dvd or cd and nothing happens
12:45<esseks>soulspire, are you using a DE or console?
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12:45<soulspire>esseks, Xfce Terminal Emulator and GeanyFM
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12:46<soulspire>esseks, even logged in as root
12:46<esseks>Do you see /dev/cdrom0 at least?
12:46<yuhl>daemonkeeper, I'm gonna send them an email
12:47<soulspire>esseks, yes
12:47<soulspire>esseks, I see a few actually
12:47<esseks>soulspire, are you sure that the disk contains a valid file system?
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12:48<soulspire>esseks, one contains a movie as dvd. I'll test another.
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12:48<bremner>did other people notice http://get.webgl.org stop working with the transition from iceweasel-10 to 17?
12:50<soulspire>esseks, inserted a regular CD I used before debian install and nothing auto detects it nor can I see it in /mount
12:50<abrotman>daemonkeeper: multiple
12:50<soulspire>esseks, just 3 files thata re empy show up there
12:50<abrotman>daemonkeeper: i'll pastebin the main one
12:50<soulspire>esseks, however xfburn sees the drive fine.
12:51<esseks>soulspire, what command are you using for mounting?
12:51<esseks>(I assume you are mounting manually)
12:51<abrotman>daemonkeeper: yuhl http://paste.debian.net/18990/
12:51<soulspire>I'm not sure how to use one. tried different ones from google searching
12:52<soulspire>esseks, this is a new installation, I did a minimum install and am used to things being done automatically lol
12:52<esseks>Try with: mount /dev/sr0
12:53<soulspire>esseks, ok sr0 is nothing but sr1 gets results
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12:54<soulspire>esseks, can I set it to auto mount each time I insert a disk?
12:54<esseks>Use udisks?
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12:54<daemonkeeper>abrotman / yuhl: §3.e clearly forbids distribution. That only leaves the Flash way if anything.
12:55<yuhl>abrotman, daemonkeeper: it does not seems very gentle for a inclusion
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12:55<soulspire>esseks, never heard of udisks . . .
12:55<daemonkeeper>yuhl: Yes. There is no way to include this into Debian, not even into non-free.
12:56<yuhl>daemonkeeper, and what about the flash
12:56<yuhl>daemonkeeper, … way
12:56<abrotman>daemonkeeper: not sure how the clause about reverse engineering applies to the RPM itself
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12:56<daemonkeeper>abrotman: Also that. But one clause satisfies already to be a no-opt hence I didn't read any further.
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12:57<soulspire>esseks, learning about udisks atm, ty for your help :)
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12:58<yuhl>daemonkeeper, abrotman: does this means that I better forget about it ?
12:58<daemonkeeper>Yes.
12:59<abrotman>yuhl: you can provide the package outside of Debian at your own legal risk .. but Debian can't do much with it
13:00<abrotman>yuhl: you could also ask IBM to allow you to work with their engineers to provide a proper package for general download
13:00<daemonkeeper>Yes. Very likely! :p
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13:00<abrotman>heh
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13:00<yuhl>abrotman, thanks for your time, I never thought that I will finish this work as fast :D
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13:01<yuhl>daemonkeeper, esseks: thanks to you too
13:01<abrotman>yuhl: or, you could put all the steps in a blog, and publiush that so others can easily do it
13:02<yuhl>that what i done for ubuntu. I will do the same for debian.
13:02<abrotman>please make sure you note which version of Debian your instructions are for
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13:03<yuhl>abrotman, I'll get back in this irc when it'll be done!
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13:35<nadir>after grub-menu i see "Loading initial ramdisk" and then get a black screen
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13:35<nadir>after the an info by the monitor that it can't display
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13:36<nadir>I already tried several things: nomodeset, kernel from sid, single-user-mode, different monitor, etc
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13:39<kraiskil>found my first debian bug - after 5 years of use. Amazing system :)
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13:43<born>ы
13:44<born>Есть живой?
13:44<SynrG>kraiskil: previous owner: little old lady, only driven on sundays?
13:45<born>епт все америкосы что-ли?
13:45<SynrG>!ru
13:45<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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13:45<familia>HOLA
13:46<familia>HOLA
13:46<familia>HOLA
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13:46<familia>HOLA
13:46<familia>HOLA
13:46<Lito20>hola
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13:48<kraiskil>SynrG, :) umm ... no.
13:48<SynrG>ah. just super lucky, then? :)
13:49<SynrG>i'll be the first to agree debian is amazing, but no bugs in 5 years is *truly* amazing
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13:50<kraiskil>well, perhaps I have. But sofar they have always gone away with an "apt-get upgrade" :)
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13:53<SynrG>kraiskil: glad to hear your success story, in any case. thanks for sharing.
13:54<kraiskil>:)
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15:51<bullgard4>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System mentions several NFS versions. How can I determine what NFS version my Debian Wheezy uses? The numbers of the DEB packages do not correspond to those mentioned in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System
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16:01<bremner>bullgard4: does reading the long description of "nfs-kernel-server" help you?
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16:06<stderr>bullgard4: If you already have something mounted, you could look at the output of "mount" for that mountpoint.
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16:15<bullgard4>bremner: The package nfs-kernel-server 1:1.2.4-4 is installed, and I read its description as you suggested. I read this: "The NFS kernel server is currently the recommended NFS server for use with Linux, featuring features such as NFSv3 and NFSv4," I did not know that NFSv3 is a "feature". I thought, it is a version number. Can you please enlighten me if I am using NFSv3 or NFSv4. Both...
16:15<bullgard4>...together seeems not to be possible.
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16:18<stderr>If both the server and client supports NFSv4, you're using version 4.
16:18<stderr>If they both support version 3, you're using version 3.
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16:18<stderr>And guess what you're using if one of them only support version 2.
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16:19<bullgard4>stderr: the relevant output line of '~$ mount' is: "192.168.178.33:/i-data/0xxxxxxx/music/Musik/Music on /media/nas type nfs (rw,relatime,vers=3,rsize=16384,wsize=16384,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,mountaddr=192.168.178.33,mountvers=3,mountport=5962,mountproto=udp,local_lock=none,addr=192.168.178.33)" How can I determine from it the NFS version number?
16:19<stderr>vers=3.
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16:19<stderr>Third part of the ().
16:19<bullgard4>Ah! Tjhank you.
16:20<bullgard4>-j
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16:49<zipy>hey, after i install testing, i cant run some aplications ^^
16:50<devil>such as...
16:50<zipy>i put me to sudo list i cant rung add aplications for example
16:50<zipy>the software center
16:50<zipy>-g
16:50<lostatwork>!testing
16:50<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
16:51<zipy>ye i know but from what i red, testing is pretty stable
16:51<grandie>seems to be for me
16:51<zipy>strange
16:52<grandie>what
16:52<zipy>that it seems to run stable for u and for me not
16:52<grandie>don
16:52<zipy>and i tested it on 2 pcs
16:52<zipy>my netbook and my desktop 64bit
16:52<devil>zipy: what does software center tell you, if started from a konsole
16:53<grandie>what kind of problems are you experiencing
16:53<zipy>(gpk-application:3325): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance
16:54<zipy>(gpk-application:3325): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_connect_data: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
16:54<devil>zipy: does apt-get -f install give any output?
16:56<zipy>it says libatk-adaptor-data libcupsdriver1 libstlport4.6ldbl isnt need anymore
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16:56<devil>not what I expected
16:56<zipy>i reinstalled stable now on my desktop
16:57<zipy>no problem starting softwarecenter
16:57<devil>I run sid for a decade without problems, never tried any testing
16:58<grandie>i've had very few problems with testing and i
16:58<zipy>well i guess i have to resinstall stable on this netbook too then
16:58<grandie>i'm new to it
16:58<zipy>since wheezy is very new i dont really need testing yet
16:59<grandie>zipy: how did you install it to start with, net install or a dist-upgrade
16:59<zipy>netinstall
16:59<zipy>7.1
16:59<zipy>i had also issues with netinstall of testing
16:59<grandie>i mean to testing
16:59<zipy>i used lvm + encryption and i couldnt even boot
16:59<zipy>it didnt find the lvms
17:00<zipy>so i installed stable and changed source.lst
17:00<grandie>try to upgrade from wheezy to testing and see if that works
17:00<zipy>removed the 2 last lines and changed "wheezy" to "testing"
17:00<zipy>thats what i did
17:01<zipy>then update and upgrade and reboot and then i couldnt start softwarecenter etc
17:01<grandie>i've done it both ways and had no problems
17:01<zipy>i even tried uefi install
17:01<zipy>^^
17:02<devil>zipy: dist-upgrade is the way
17:02<devil>not upgrade
17:02<zipy>oh right
17:02<zipy>i can try that
17:02<bremner>fwiw, #debian-next is for support of testing
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17:02<devil>so if you done upgrade, do a dist-upgrade now
17:02<devil>and bremner is right
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17:03<zipy>k im dist upgrading right now
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17:05<zipy>ok on my desktop im going to install now gpu drivers, the easiest way for me is installing the ati drivers with catalyst (easy to setup dualmonitor etc) but if the opensource drivers work well i woult try them first
17:05<devil>lets move to #debian-next
17:05<zipy>yes after my dist upgrade is done
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17:05<devil>there is no debian support for catalyst from the ati webpage
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17:06<Zaka>this is Zaka...
17:06<Zaka>yep, the sensational Zaka!
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17:06<zipy>there is flgrx
17:06<Zaka>but anyways
17:06<Zaka>guys
17:06<Zaka>I have a question
17:06<Zaka>zipy, yo
17:06<Zaka>so the question is
17:06<devil>Zaka: stop hitting enter please
17:06<Zaka>Is SELinux installed in Debian by default?
17:06<grandie>NO
17:06<Zaka>debian is pretty fucking insecure, man
17:06<devil>no
17:06<Zaka>why, devil
17:06<Zaka>why the fuck
17:06<devil>because we like it that way
17:07<Zaka>dude why
17:07<devil>you are wasting space
17:07<Zaka>selinux secures your ass.
17:07<zipy>i got the libs of selinux
17:07<Zaka>zipy, shut the fuck up dude
17:07<grandie>then use it
17:07<Zaka>devil, selinux secures you
17:07<HUGE_ASS>HELLO
17:07-!-SBauer [~SBauer@ip68-229-91-95.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #debian
17:07<Zaka>and keeps the hackers away
17:07<HUGE_ASS>IM NEW
17:07<Zaka>HUGE_ASS: yo bro, nice name
17:07<Zaka>yea bro, same here
17:07<HUGE_ASS>THX
17:07<Zaka>but these faggot-ops are silly
17:07<Zaka>i mean, who the fuckin' fuck would not consider installing selinux?
17:07<devil>guys, if you have debian questions, fine. if not please shut up. thxx
17:08<Zaka>i got another question, devil
17:08<zipy>it is in by default
17:08<Zaka>and I wanna ask just you, devil.
17:08<Zaka>just you, devil.
17:08<HUGE_ASS>HHHHHH
17:08<Zaka>nobody else gotta answer the question
17:08<Zaka>so the question is
17:08<Zaka>how can I install SELinux in Debian?
17:08<devil>*sigh*
17:08<HUGE_ASS>KOL KHARRRRRAAAA
17:08<HUGE_ASS>PLZ
17:08<Zaka>this is a #debian room
17:08<Zaka>you gotta help me out
17:08<Zaka>im debian's customer
17:08<devil>do i now?
17:08<Zaka>yes, devil
17:08<Zaka>you're a slave of debian
17:09<Zaka>you help people out.
17:09<HUGE_ASS>IM DEBIAN PRO
17:09<devil>I don't think so, brow.
17:09<HUGE_ASS>BISH
17:09<Walex2>Zaka: you are behaving in a way that runs against several guidelines for behaviour on Freenode
17:09<Zaka>walex2: yo
17:09-!-HUGE_ASS is now known as VIRUS_TROJAN
17:09<devil>Walex2: and that, being on OFTC ;)
17:09<Zaka>how can I install selinux in Debian, guys.
17:09<VIRUS_TROJAN>DO U KNOW WHO I AM NIGGUH
17:09<blast007>!ops Zaka and VIRUS_TROJAN being annoying
17:09<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: blast007 complains about: Zaka and VIRUS_TROJAN being annoying
17:09<Walex2>Zaka: and even worse on OFTC which is a bit stricter
17:09<Zaka>I am sorry.
17:10<Zaka>I strongly apologize.
17:10<VIRUS_TROJAN>HOW AM I BEING ANNOYING
17:10<Zaka>Ban VIRUS_TROJAN but keep me.
17:10<VIRUS_TROJAN>WTH
17:10<Walex2>Zaka: in general to solve Debian issues with packages you search for the right packages
17:10<VIRUS_TROJAN>THATS MEAN ASF
17:10<grandie>apt-get install selinux
17:10<Zaka>!ops blast007 and VIRUS_TROJAN trolling.
17:10<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: zaka complains about: blast007 and VIRUS_TROJAN trolling.
17:10<Zaka>grandie, will that work?
17:10<devil>guys, go play elsewhere please.
17:10<VIRUS_TROJAN>IM NOT TROLLING
17:10<VIRUS_TROJAN>DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER
17:10<Walex2>Zaka: for example 'apt-cache search selinux' or 'dlocate selinux' or 'apt-file search selinux'
17:10<grandie>to the best of my knowledge
17:10<Zaka>grandie: will selinux harm my files?
17:11<Zaka>i'll try those, walex2.
17:11<Zaka>please wait.
17:11<grandie>that you need to ask the NSA
17:11<Walex2>Zaka: or you search the online Debian package database http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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17:11<Zaka>walex2, selinux is there.
17:11<VIRUS_TROJAN>well??
17:11<Zaka>it's asking me for y/n
17:11<Zaka>to install selinux.
17:11<VIRUS_TROJAN>y
17:11<Zaka>but the thing I am tryna say is.
17:11<Zaka>will selinux harm my system?
17:12<VIRUS_TROJAN>no it wont
17:12<Walex2>Zaka: nearly all packages have a directory under '/usr/share/doc/' with the documentation files, and usually the manual.
17:12<VIRUS_TROJAN>apt-get install selinux
17:12<zipy>how can i activate the drivers that r included in xserver-xorg-video-ati
17:12<VIRUS_TROJAN>then
17:12<VIRUS_TROJAN>y
17:12<VIRUS_TROJAN>done
17:12<Walex2>Zaka: to *really* know whether SELinux will harm your system you should read the source code.
17:13<VIRUS_TROJAN>i have selinux
17:13<Zaka>what is selinux, exactly, Walex2?
17:13<VIRUS_TROJAN>its my 5th os
17:13<Walex2>Zaka: in general, assuming it does not have malicious or really buggy code, it won't, but it will make system configuration a bit more painful
17:13<Zaka>ah, walex2.
17:13<Zaka>I want something more userfriendly.
17:13<Zaka>I am a linux-n00b.
17:13<Walex2>Zaka: SELinux is one of several so-called mandatory access control systems.
17:14<VIRUS_TROJAN>get ubuntu its friendly
17:14<grandie>check out selinux on wikipedia
17:14<SamB>!ops
17:14<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
17:14<Walex2>Zaka: that means that it tries to run programs inside a "limited" environment, so if the programs are malicious or buggy they are prevented from damaging the system
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17:14<zipy>windows
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17:14<Walex2>Zaka: commonly used alternatives are AppArmor and Domoko
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17:15<zipy>how can i activate the drivers that r included in xserver-xorg-video-ati
17:15<VIRUS_TROJAN>i feel that i am a stealth wall
17:15<Zaka>walex2, is apparmor in the repositories?
17:15<Walex2>Zaka: there are two distinct problems in access control: prventing read-up, and preventing write-down.
17:15<Zaka>!ops VIRUS_TROJAN troll
17:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: zaka complains about: VIRUS_TROJAN troll
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17:15<bremner>zipy: it should be automatic.
17:15<Walex2>Zaka: you can search for it... Same as before.
17:16<zipy>it started to gnome classic
17:16<VIRUS_TROJAN>i didnt troll
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17:16<VIRUS_TROJAN>huh
17:16<Walex2>Zaka: it most likely is because it is used by default in Ubuntu. it is fairly easier to use than SELinux, but a bit less fine-grained.
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17:16<bremner>zipy: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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17:17<Walex2>Zaka: so I was saying: discretionary access control is things like file permissions, ACLs, and is designed to prevent read-up (a less privileged user reading more privileged information).
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17:17<peterS>BobbyTables: hey no sql injections in here pls (:
17:18<Zaka>Walex2: How can I stop my system from executing files in /tmp/?
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17:18<BobbyTables>i'll try to refrain haha
17:18<Zaka>Walex2: Blocking the use of chmod +x in files of /tmp
17:18<Zaka>BobbyTables: are you infodox?
17:18<Walex2>Zaka: with one of these Mandatory Access Control packages for example.
17:18<Walex2>Zaka: another coarser way is to mount '/tmp/' without 'exec' permissions.
17:18<zipy>bremner, http://paste.debian.net/19008
17:19<Walex2>Zaka: for example if '/tmp/' is a separate filesystem, for example a 'tmpfs' RAM-based one.
17:19<Zaka>Walex2: Can I do "chmod 0600 /tmp/"
17:19<BobbyTables>Zaka, nah go by stderr in most places, but i see there's already one here
17:19<stderr>What?!
17:19<Walex2>Zaka: that is a very bad idea
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17:20<Zaka>why, walex2?
17:20<Walex2>Zaka: however there is a similar much better idea
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17:20<Walex2>Zaka: because many different users need to write temporary files in '/tmp/'
17:20<peterS>because it will make /tmp completely nonfunctional. at that point you may as well remove it entirely.
17:20<Walex2>Zaka: the better idea is to use an extension that gives each user their private subdirectory of '/tmp/' which when can and should be '0600'
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17:21<peterS>Walex2: no directory that you plan to use should ever be mode 600
17:21<peterS>maybe you were thinking of mode 700
17:21<Walex2>peterS: ah yes, 0700
17:21<peterS>(if you don't have the +x bit, you can't create, read, or write files inside the dir)
17:22<bremner>zipy: do you have an /etc/Xorg.conf? if so, try moving it out of the way.
17:22<Zaka>so should I do chmod 0700 /tmp?
17:22<peterS>no
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17:22<peterS>we keep saying no, and you keep asking
17:22<Zaka>oh sorry, peterS.
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17:22<peterS>if you chmod 0700 /tmp, it will be almost exactly equivalent to just 'rm -r /tmp'
17:22<Walex2>Zaka: the PAM module is 'pam_tmpdir.so'
17:23<Zaka>I just want a way to secure my linux system, like blocking buffer overflows, stop non-root users from executing files in /tmp/..etc
17:23<Walex2>Zaka: no, '/tmp/' should be 'a+rwX,u+s'
17:23<peterS>Walex2: you missed the sticky bit. that's pretty important!
17:23<jklaz>maybe u could soft symlink the directory
17:23<Walex2>Zaka: there used to be some "hardening" HOWTOs on the Debian Wiki and some
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17:23<Zaka>i'll try em
17:23<Walex2>peterS: that's true.... I am tyuping too fast...
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17:24<peterS>wait... what does u+s do on a directory?
17:24<peterS>I can't remember that one
17:24<stderr>Sticky.
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17:24<peterS>no, that's +t
17:24<stderr>Only the owner can delete files.
17:24<Walex2>peterS: that was meant to be u+t
17:24<stderr>Setuid?
17:24<peterS>stderr: yes. what does it do on a directory?
17:24<peterS>I know what g+s and +t do
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17:25<jklaz>u can periodically change permissions
17:26<stderr>peterS: Hmm, I don't think I have tried that. Good question.
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17:26<peterS>I see nothing in 'man 2 stat' about it S_ISUID for a directory
17:27<peterS>it does mention S_ISGID (setgid) and S_ISVTX (sticky)
17:27<stderr>Could be a NOP.
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17:27<peterS>yeah, best I can see, it is a noop
17:28<stderr>After all, it's just a bit and if nothing checks the bit on directories...
17:28<Walex2>peterS: the better description is 'man 2 chmod' and I just discovered that 'g+s' on on-executable files means "use mandatory locking"
17:29<peterS>Walex2: right. not very widely used. g+s on directories is far more useful IMO
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17:35<Voker57>I'm trying to remove a package and its pre-remove hook fails, any idea how to fix it? http://paste.debian.net/18956/
17:36<cybersphinx>Voker57: The scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info, you could try removing or fixing it.
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17:37<bremner>any experiences running lvm with mixed SSD and rotating physical volumes? I guess judicious use of pvmove could keep logical volumes within one device.
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17:38<Walex2>bremner: sure you can, but there is a reason why multiple volume groups are possible :-)
17:38<bremner>Walex2: good point.
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17:39<Walex2>bremner: anyhow I think that in general LVM is rather unnecessary, but lots of people think it is awesome
17:39<bremner>Walex2: I'm pretty used to it.
17:39<bremner>although, if btrfs snapshots work out for package building, then I don't absolutely need it.
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17:40<Walex2>bremner: well, you could also try NILFS2. Anyhow LVM2/DM snapshots are horrifyingly slow.
17:40<Voker57>cybersphinx: ah, thanks. I thought I'd have to rebuild a package to access them.
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17:40<Walex2>bremner: anyhow BTRFS is pretty good and reliable already.
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17:50<wdoodle>lost my wireless link mid squeeze to wheezy. Minimal upgrade went well, but when I launched apt-get dist-upgrade, couldn't find the mirror. No longer had my ra0 interface. Editted /etc/network/interfaces added allow-hotplug ra0 and iface ra0 inet dhcp. No offers are received when I run ifup ra0. Any suggestions what I should be looking at?
17:51<DrZaius>wdoodle: use a cable
17:52<DrZaius>:)
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18:37<Kaka>Hello.
18:37<Kaka>I said, Hello.
18:37<Kaka>!ops
18:37<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
18:37<Kaka>What is SELinux?
18:38<Kaka>Can somebody please explain, what is SELinux?
18:38<Kaka>ops $selinux
18:38<Kaka>dpkg: ops $selinux
18:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: kaka complains about: $selinux
18:38<Kaka>guys, what is selinux?
18:38<Kaka>I installed SELinux, but I am confused.
18:38<Kaka>dpkg: ops $whatiselinux
18:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: kaka complains about: $whatiselinux
18:38<Kaka>dpkg: ops $whatiselinux
18:38<abrotman>hi
18:38<Kaka>hi.
18:38<Kaka>do you know selinux, abrotman?
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18:39<abrotman>you called ops to ask for support?
18:39<Kaka>I'd like to ask a simple question, abrotman.
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18:39<Kaka>What is SELinux?
18:39<abrotman>that's not the way to do it
18:39<Kaka>oh
18:39<Kaka>I am new to this thing, sorry not sorry.
18:39<Kaka>so yeah.
18:39<Kaka>what is selinux?
18:40<Kaka>I installed SELinux, and I am wondering, will this make my linux distro bullet-proof?
18:40<jmcnaught>Kaka: there's an abundance of info about SELinux on the web. wikipedia has an article about it
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18:41<haikovic>i wrote the wheezy netinstall image on an usb stick, after booting in the setup it asks what cd/dvd driver to load and i cant bypass that step, need help here
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18:41<abrotman>wrote it how?
18:41<haikovic>pendrivelinux
18:42<haikovic>does the writing method make a difference
18:42<abrotman>it could ..
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19:25<barabelli>s.a
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19:26<barabelli>ken you speek english
19:27<devil>we do
19:27<barabelli>Have knows I'm sorry Turkish
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19:44*pocock is glad he's running Debian when slashdot hits his blog
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19:52<stderr>pocock: I was one of those hits.
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20:01<dragonious>Hello everyone, Im trying to find the proper software to allow me to use my game controller in Wheezy I have a ms sidewinder controller what software do I need if any?
20:01<dragonious>
20:02<Walex3>dragonious: depends a lot which game controller
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20:02<Walex3>dragonious: if USB, should mostly "just work".
20:03<dragonious>walex3 its a Microsux Sidewinder usb, I rebooted after pluging it in
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20:10<kira_>hello guy's
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20:40<luciano>oi
20:40<luciano>tudobem
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20:57<cae>does dpkg -i unpack the .deb on each call or can I modify the preinst in /var/lib/dpkg/info/? I'm trying to get a half-successful debootstrap to run
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20:59<cae>mawk isn't installed (and can't be because depends on libc, which can't be configured without awk, I think), I commented that line out and it doesn't change, even a set -x at second line to track the error down
20:59<michel_>hi there
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21:00<michel_>someone knows how reset from the console in ubuntu?
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21:01<cae>michel_: 1) this is *not* #ubuntu 2) specify what "reset" means
21:01<michel_>sorry about my english. I am spanish speaker
21:01<michel_>something similiar to shudown command in windows
21:02<michel_>reset or restart
21:02<cae>poweroff will shut down the whole box, but...
21:03<michel_>even if is remote connction?
21:03<Noskcaj>michel_, you want #ubuntu-es on irc.freenode.net
21:03<michel_>thanks Noskcaj
21:03<themill>cae: should be able to unpack the packages (dpkg -x foo.deb /mnt/chroot) at which stage you can probably then dpkg -i them.
21:04<michel_>got it. let me try
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21:08<cae>themill: good idea, I did this right inside the target without chrooting
21:08<michel_>solution: shutdown -r
21:08<michel_>with sudo of course
21:09<cae>it should not differ that much at that point, chrooting is a little difficult because the target is armel and I only have other x86(_64) systems
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21:15<cae>/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libc6 is broken or not fully installed <-- how can I get this more verbose what excactly fails?
21:17<themill>cae: ahh... did you tell debootstrap you were making a foreign arch and to only do step 1? Did you copy in qemu-static to allow the armel stuff to run on your x86 install?
21:18<cae>themill: yes, that's right. Stage two failed because chroot target/ mount -t proc.. failed
21:18<cae>the host does have qemu-static/binfmt stuff but it fails to work inside chroots
21:18<themill>you need to copy a bit of it into the chroot
21:19*themill is vague on details because it's a while since he's done it
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21:19<cae>I think some virtual filesystem like {/sys,/proc/binfmt
21:19<cae>I think some virtual filesystem like {/sys,/proc}/binfmt needs to be mounted inside the chroot
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21:20<themill>I have «cp /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /chroot/usr/bin» in my notes
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21:21<cae>themill: thx, and then continue with debootstrap stage two?
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21:22<themill>I didn't keep very good notes :(
21:22<themill>but yes, that would make sense
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21:37<Supaplex>*brup*
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21:40<cae>themill: I simply mounted proc, sysfs and binfmt_misc from outside the chroot and did dpkg -x for binfmt-support*armel.deb and binfmtc*armel.deb to the chroot...
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21:41<cae>and it's still echo: No such file or directory
21:41<cae>I'll stick it and goto bed, it's 0341 local time ;-)
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22:01<Ozzie>Hi.
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22:02<Ozzie>I'm on Debian 6 with Gnome 2 and after a normal restart does not appear to me the weather or the temperature near the clock that is on the panel. What could have happened and how do I solve it?
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22:52<Chav>Hi. I currently use the hosts file on my LAN's server to tell Privoxy to redirect web searches from Yahoo to DuckDuckGo as per this hint: bit.ly/18JY5qp . How would i implement this in DNSmasq instead?
22:56<Nemoder>I thought dnsmasq read from /etc/hosts first by default
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23:03<Chav>You may be right. Would it be a simple thing to do, regardless?
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23:07<stderr>Chav: Are you already using DNSmasq or did you install it just now? Could it be that you simply haven't told your clients about the nameserver?
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23:09<Chav>stderr: The long story is that Polipo doesn't use the hosts file, and DNSmasq claims that using the hosts file is slow because it runs line-by-line. If I learn how to do my redirect in DNSmasq instead it's better for me in the long run.
23:11<stderr>That didn't really answer my questions. :-)
23:13<Chav>I was trying to save time. Your question was a bit tangential. No offence. I've been using DNSmasq a short while, it acts for several machines on my LAN. It seems to work fine, caching successfully.
23:14<stderr>Sorry, just wanted to be sure DNSmasq was up and running and that the clients was configured to use it.
23:14<Chav>You're fine. :)
23:14<Nemoder>so just edit the hosts file and see if it works?
23:15<stderr>Can't you just add some more hosts to DNSmasq?
23:17<Chav>Well, like I said, I think it's better in the long run if I learn to do the re-direct in DNSmasq. Apparently it's more efficient. But I'm new to DNS stuff so was hoping to use setting this re-direct up as a template for future mods :)
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23:21<stderr>I'm not sure I understand what the problem is... You have some hosts configured in DNSmasq and they work, but some others doesn't work?
23:23<Nemoder>I think he's saying he doesn't want to use hosts with dnsmasq because it could be slow but unless you have many thousands of entries I dont think that will be at all noticable
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23:24<Chav>That's about the size of it. It's also because Polipo doesn't actually use the hosts file at all by default, or recommend it. I had to set up DNSmasq in order not to break my current hosts file setup. In order to avoid this in future I wanted to migrate my hosts entries to DNSmasq instead - the speed of lookup is an added bonus.
23:26<stderr>Ok. But like Nemoder said earlier, I also thought dnsmasq used /etc/hosts.
23:26<Nemoder>I know mine does, and I think that is the default but I'm not sure
23:27<Nemoder>if there is another way for dnsmasq to read mappings I don't know of it
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23:28<Chav>Ok. So, using the hosts file is actually the /only/ way of re-directing searches from going to Yahoo and sending them to DuckDuckGo instead? That sounds like what I'm being told here.
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23:29<stderr>Unless you can configure dnsmasq to use another file... Or use another nameserver.
23:29*stderr likes bind.
23:30<Chav>Why would bind do this whilst DNSmasq can't? What's the feature called that DNSmasq lacks?
23:30<stderr>bind doesn't use /etc/hosts.
23:31<stderr>I don't know what you want to call that "feature". :-)
23:31<Chav>so, if bind doesn't use hosts, how would it perform the re-direct?
23:31<stderr>But anyway, I wouldn't use an A record for the redirect, but a CNAME record.
23:32<stderr>It uses zonefiles instead.
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23:36<heribertorodriguez>#debian
23:36<stderr>You're already here...
23:37<Chav>Aha, I've just discovered DNSmasq doesn't support locally-defined CNAME records. Does that mean that hosts file is my only option (without changing package)?
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23:37<Nemoder>possibly, I dont see why that's a problem, it should be the same format
23:38<stderr>What's the same format?
23:38<Nemoder>the hosts file setup he had for his other program
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23:38<Nemoder>shouldn't need to change anything for dnsmasq to read it
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23:38<Chav>It means I can stop looking for a DNSmasq specific solution, and just settle down to using /etc/hosts. I guess my query's answered. Thanks :)
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23:39<stderr>Ah, for a second there I thought you said A records and CNAME records was the same format. :-)
23:39<heribertorodriguez>hi guys, I have a problem after installing debia 7.1 in my laptop. I upgraded from debian 6 but when I run debian it appears only the command line with my login
23:40<stderr>heribertorodriguez: Have you installed an X-server? Any error messages? If so, put them on paste.debian.net
23:40<Nemoder>you had a desktop working in debian6?
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23:42<heribertorodriguez>no, I'm writing down from another pc
23:44<Nemoder>did you reinstall with 7.1 or use apt to do the upgrade?
23:44<heribertorodriguez>I reinstalled debian 6
23:44<heribertorodriguez>i mean 7
23:44<Nemoder>ok so it's likely you just haven't selected desktop files
23:44<stderr>heribertorodriguez: If you got net on the box, maybe you could install "pastebinit".
23:45<Nemoder>heribertorodriguez: I would recommend logging in as root and running 'tasksel'
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23:45<heribertorodriguez>it only appears the screen as terminal
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23:45<heribertorodriguez>ok
23:46<heribertorodriguez>i wrote tasksel command and it appears a window with software selection
23:46<Nemoder>use spacebar to select desktop option
23:46<Nemoder>then enter to install
23:46<heribertorodriguez>but it's a laptop
23:46<Nemoder>you can select that option too
23:47<heribertorodriguez>ok
23:47<heribertorodriguez>now it's installing the packages
23:47<Nemoder>it's nice to have the option to install without a desktop for servers and such
23:48<Nemoder>or people who just really like the command line :)
23:48<heribertorodriguez>it's retrieving files now
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23:49<Nemoder>once it is done you should have a desktop. or you can run 'reboot' if it doesn't come up right away
23:49<heribertorodriguez>ok
23:49<heribertorodriguez>it's 8 min left
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