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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-07-30

---Logopened Tue Jul 30 00:00:04 2013
---Daychanged Tue Jul 30 2013
00:00<Guest1651>what is ext system file (think i may have seen something like that) but not sure
00:01<jned>Guest1651, that is the fileformat for linux, like windows used to be fat back in the day and now they are ntfs, well linux uses an ext3, and ext4 filesystem. I usually just stick with 3, although I have no idea about 3vs4 issues
00:01<Guest1651>ah
00:01<bejker>i have ext4
00:01<bejker>is faster
00:01<Guest1651>so if i boot my windows and install 'windows total commander' it should read my drive?
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00:02<jned>bejker, no way, ok next time, I am gonna go with ext4 for sure
00:02<bejker>yes if u install plugin to total commander
00:02<SamB>I'm puzzled how he can have accidentally *converted* his filesystem to ext[34]
00:02<bejker>jned: if u copy large file is little faster
00:02<jned>he doesn' t need access to the ext3 filesystem, he need to get linux installed is all
00:02<bejker>file like 40GB
00:02<jned>SamB, not accidentally, he installed linux
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00:03<bejker>so for what he want to seein thise drive in win7?
00:03<SamB>jned: no I mean he says there are still files there!
00:03<Guest1651>well i'm at uni and i'm doing a linux course and i bought a debian install disk that came with packages and stuff
00:03<Guest1651>during the install it gave me an option to do the partitioning automatically, which i selected so that is probably how i did it
00:04<bejker>one question guys
00:04<bejker>how to get hw adress frome network? what spoofer use?
00:04<jned>Guest1651, next, make sure and do manual partitioning
00:04<Guest1651>i'm sure i will now ^.^
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00:05<Nemoder>automatic is great for a single drive machine or a simple partition setup, probably not a good idea for a 2nd partition a 2nd drive
00:06<Nemoder>s/a/on a/
00:06<SamB>I would never pick automatic unless I wanted to wipe the machine
00:06<SamB>(but also didn't care if the wipe wasn't thorough)
00:06<Guest1651>so i installed that gparted and am looking at my drives, sdb1 (ntfs) 265gb [flagged as boot], sdb2 (extended) 32gb [no flag], sdb5 (ext4) 31gb [no flag], sdb
00:06<Guest1651>6 )linux-swap) 1.3gb [no flag]
00:08<Guest1651>partition-file system-size-flags, is the layout i just did if that makes any sense
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00:11<Guest1651>why is it booting from my 265gb even though its a ntfs file system? (isn't that windows)
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00:14<SamB>Guest1651: well, is that where you installed Debian?
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00:15<Guest1651>i didn't think so but i must have, so did it just create the ext4 on my 32gb and the linux-swap
00:16<Guest1651>to store files but not install system files on?
00:16<Infiltrator>Guest1651: It needs to boot from /dev/sdb1 because sdb5 and sdb6 are extended partitions from which you cannot boot.
00:17<Guest1651>ah
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00:19<Guest1651>well thanks for the help everyone :) i'm going to try this total commander thing or backup wipe my drive and start again
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00:28<mohammad>hi
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01:08<thousandecibels>damn I need help..
01:08<thousandecibels>grub is not responding...
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01:10<thousandecibels>fuck you debian users you suck
01:10<thousandecibels>arch linux ftw
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01:53<newbie>i'm new to multithreading and would like to start from the 'hello world' program and build up. i'm unable to find good resources can anyone help? i'm looking at 'C'
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01:54<dcolish>Is this the right chan for dealing with gsoc issues? I am trying to start my midterm review but melange is not giving me access
01:55<jm_>newbie: you should be able to find plenty examples on the net
01:55<jm_>heck even wikipedia has an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX_Threads#Example
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01:56<themill>dcolish: there's a #gsoc over on freenode
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01:58<dcolish>yeah, i know, but i'm a debian mentor so i thought i'd try and get a hold of one of the admins for debian
02:03<themill>Ahh. #debian-soc
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02:07<dcolish>awesome thanks
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02:49<newbie>jm_: http://pastie.org/8189145 so here it means that thread 0 never finished?
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02:51<jm_>newbie: looks like it, add a sleep before the join loop
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03:20<prem_>how can i provide permission to my normal users to restart cups service
03:21<prem_>bcos each time they need a admin to restart the service., which is not possible
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03:21<jm_>sudo?
03:22<SamB>prem_: you can add an entry to sudoers that will let them do "sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart"
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03:22<prem_>SamB, what entry i have to add
03:22<themill>(or better, service cups restart)
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03:23<prem_>jm_, i want the non-sudo users to restart this service alone
03:23<SamB>themill: huh, didn't know about that command
03:24<themill>it should also be $other_init_system compliant too
03:25<SamB>yeah I see that
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03:25<TCW>SamB, head /usr/sbin/servic
03:25<TCW>+e
03:26<TCW>prem_, learn how sudo works first or you might do follish (unsecure) stuff, so have a look on google for some sudo docs
03:26<TCW>foolish even
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03:29<prem_>or is it possible to create a new group only with restart cups permission
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03:29<prem_>so that i can add users to that group
03:29<SamB>prem_: it would be possible to do this yes
03:30<SamB>but you would still use a sudoers rule
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03:30<prem_>SamB, yeah that i agree
03:30<SamB>just the rule would reference that group instead of allowing ALL users to do it
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03:31<SamB>of course, they'd need to login after being added before they could actually take advantage of their group membership
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03:31<prem_>SamB, %test ALL=(ALL) /etc/init.d/cups
03:32<prem_>will this be enough
03:32<themill>btw why do you want to allow them to restart cups?
03:32<SamB>themill: presumably it's getting wedged
03:32<prem_>themill, because some of my printers goes idle now and then
03:32<prem_>and works only if i restart the cups
03:32<themill>well there are cupsenable etc commands that might do this more elegantly
03:33<prem_>themill, cupsenable ? i dont have that command in my system
03:33<themill>By "go idle" do you mean that the queue stops? (that's the opposite of "idle" in CUPS speak).
03:33<themill>it's in cups-client
03:34<jm_>it's also in /usr/sbin
03:34<prem_>themill, some problem., either it goes idle or off., net result is print is not coming till i restart the cups service
03:34<themill>"cupsenable $queuename" is enough to restart a queue
03:34*themill had a script that detected the laptop was at work and restarted the print queue for the work printer
03:35<themill>(the local print queue on the laptop, obviously)
03:35<prem_>themill, can u share the script., it will be very helpful
03:36<themill>don't have it here -- previous work and previous laptop.
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04:31<linux_xiang>dayede
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05:13<lanwin>Hi.
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05:13<lanwin>I need help getting my server up again. Ive did a dist-upgrade and now my system hangs at a blank screen with only a cursor right after grub.
05:14<lanwin>Tried to look at the logs in rescue mode...but there is nothing. Even when I enable bootlogd
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05:19<alvdav>hi, i try to get my wlan working, i got all the modules but wicd-curses dose not show any networks iwlist scan wlan0 dose.
05:20<alvdav>i think i can get it working with wpa_supplicant but it would be nice to use wicd
05:20<alvdav>i don't know where to start and i need some ideas.
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05:24<alvdav>hmm i think there is something wrong with my installation...
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05:27<zhaotongxue>hello,world
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05:27<zhaotongxue>nice to meet you
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05:29<zhaotongxue>I have write "WebPartManager i=new WebPartManager;i.DisplayMode=WebPartDisplayMode.Design"
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05:29<zhaotongxue>But I can't design it
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05:29<zhaotongxue>who will tell me why?]
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05:29<zhaotongxue>Thanks
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05:33<EmleyMoor>My CD writer automatically shuts on opening, unless I do service udftools stop. Is there any way I can make this the "standard" position, udftools not running unless I need them?
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05:35<zhaotongxue>Say clear?
05:35<zhaotongxue>My English is not goo
05:35<zhaotongxue>d
05:35<EmleyMoor>zhaotongxue: What I said was probably not for you then...
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05:36<zhaotongxue>?
05:36<zhaotongxue>may be
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05:36<zhaotongxue>sotty
05:36<zhaotongxue>sorry
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05:39<ast>you are not good at neither english nor keyboard
05:40<Maulkin>!cn
05:40<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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05:41<alvdav>ok ok ok i'm an idiot nwm, if you setup your wlan interface in wicd-curses you can scan for wireless networks...
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06:42<sascha>Hey, I'm trying to make steam running on wheezy but it's not working really well. Steam is a i386 application and available in sid. Could I not just install it from sid when I'm using debian amd64 since those experimental i386 packages won't collide with my stable packages?
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07:10<SynrG>sascha: not advisable, no
07:10<SynrG>sascha: the correct way to do that is a backport
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07:15<sascha>SynrG, if there was one :-(
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07:37<Auroch>?
07:37<Auroch>help
07:37<Auroch>oups
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07:39<Guest1693>??
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08:30<Thorgrin>guys, my bind9 would not start. where should I look?
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08:31<Stummi>Thorgrin, logfiles
08:31<Thorgrin>I' quite confused that /var/log/bind9.log shows nothing
08:31<Thorgrin>is there a way to check for misconfiguration?
08:31<Stummi>how do you try to start bind?
08:32<Thorgrin>service bind9 start
08:33<weasel>syslog?
08:33<weasel>daemon.log?
08:33<linux_user>syslog
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08:37<Thorgrin>no, nothing with bind or named in there
08:38<Thorgrin>I was missing a ';' in my configuration
08:38<Thorgrin>but I'd really love to know that from somewhere
08:38<Thorgrin>other than looking over the changes
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09:18<ixi>I have a problem: I have a sparse image file created by /sbin/mkfs.vfat -C that is 64GB in size, that was mounted and very little data (less than 1 MB ) was written inside of it; I am looking for a way to put this image on a usb flash without actually writing full 64 GB of data there because it will be prohibitively slow
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09:18<ixi>someone please tell me if this can be somehow done, and if so, how
09:19<weasel>cp supports sparse handling.
09:19<weasel>so does rsync (with -S)
09:19<weasel>it probably depends on whether your filesystem on the usb flash supports sparse files though
09:19<ixi>it's vfat, made by mkfs.vfat -C
09:19<SynrG>don't use that, then? :)
09:19<ixi>it's... required
09:20<weasel>no sparse files for you then
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09:20<babilen>ixi: That was a much better question than the one in #d-ot ! :)
09:20<SynrG>i hear a lot of zeroes in a file compress well ...
09:21<ixi>they do but I don't see how to use this property
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09:21<SynrG>so if the USB is only to ferry it from one place to another, and it ultimately lands on a filesystem supporting sparse files ...
09:21<ixi>no...
09:21<SynrG>sparse file -> compress -> USB -> decompress -> sparse file
09:22<ixi>the USB is final destination
09:22<SynrG>overly constrained problem.
09:22<SynrG>you'll need to lift a constraint somewhere
09:22<ixi>I see
09:22<SynrG>a vfat containing an ext filesystem in a file, mounted loopback?
09:23<SynrG>the ext image itself supporting sparse files?
09:23<ixi>ext image?
09:23<SynrG>(don't know if that even works
09:23<SynrG>)
09:23<SynrG>somehow i think this is not going to work
09:23<ixi>me too
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09:23<SynrG>a tardis? bigger on the inside ...
09:23<ixi>heh
09:23<SynrG>running out of ideas :)
09:24<weasel>I like the tardis idea
09:25<babilen>ixi: Why do you *have* to use vfat ? What is the actual real-world use case?
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09:27<ixi>babilen it's a handheld device
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09:27<SynrG>ixi: modified vfat driver ...
09:27<SynrG>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4395021/how-to-create-a-large-file-on-a-vfat-partition-efficiently-in-embedded-linux
09:28<ixi>which has to be connectable to that other proprietary os
09:28<SynrG>rewrite the handheld device's vfat driver as per the proposed patch :)
09:28<ixi>reading
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09:30<SynrG>oh, huh. actually that's a linux driver rewrite proposal (duh, because linux is used to do the copy)
09:30<SynrG>s/rewrite/patch/
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09:31<SynrG>ixi: hmm: "The existing (simple) code is perfectly acceptable for smaller skipping writes, you won't really notice its presence if you create a 1MB file and write a single byte at the end. It'll bite you only if you go for filesizes on the order of the limits of what the FAT filesystem allows you to do."
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09:32<SynrG>ixi: doesn't that sound like it rules out this approach for your case?
09:33<Guest1710>hi! I'm installing debian over ubuntu and I'd like to keep my encrypted partition (ecryptfs) as my home folder, can anyone help me?
09:34<ixi>ok, and what if it was known previously, that the destination would be zeroed
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09:34<ixi>would this make it easier ?
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09:38<SynrG>Guest1710: i forsesee difficulties that have nothing to do with encryption ...
09:38<SynrG>Guest1710: your home dir may have lots of dotfiles with configs appropriate to ubuntu but not to debian
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09:39<SynrG>Guest1710: if it were me, i'd be making a fresh start, saving my precious home dir files to encrypted backup, then restoring them to the fresh system.
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09:40<SynrG>(but selectively, making intelligent choices about which dot-files to keep and which to start fresh)
09:41<SynrG>ixi: i have insufficient expertise in this area to give you a quality answer :p
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09:43<SynrG>ixi: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10813683/quickly-create-a-large-file-on-fat
09:43<SynrG>ixi: i am, however, good at google ;)
09:43<Guest1710>thanks
09:43<Guest1710>but I already installed debian
09:44<Guest1710>now what I would need is to mount the encrypted partition as root
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09:44<SynrG>so you have no ubuntu system on which to do step 1, which should precede any such reinstall: keep a good backup?
09:44<SynrG>sigh ... well, debian has ecryptfs, and that's the sum total of my knowledge on the topic.
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09:45<SynrG>presumably the process is: read the doc. do what it says.
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09:45<SynrG>maybe someone else here can provide a more useful answer ...
09:45<Guest1710>well thanks
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09:45<ixi>debian installer deals with encrypted volumes
09:45<SynrG>Guest1710: sorry, and good luck.
09:45<ixi>and then populates fstab according to what user has specified
09:46<SynrG>ixi: we're past that, since he has already installed.
09:46<ixi>I think this is where you setup your encrypted disks that you want auto-mounted
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09:46<Guest1710>I can install again if it's needed
09:46<SynrG>maybe the problem is, ubuntu "magically" handled this, and you just don't know the commands behind-the-scenes to use what ubuntu previously set up?
09:46<Guest1710>but I didn't find an option on installer to mount already encrypted partitions
09:47<SynrG>this is where i'd be hitting the docs to figure out how to do ecryptfs stuff manually
09:47<ixi>Guest1710 does this help? http://www.fussylogic.co.uk/blog/?p=272
09:47<Guest1710>let me check
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09:53<Guest1710>it didn't help me :/
09:54<ixi>well I know nothing about ecryptfs.. never used
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10:02<Guest1710>thanks, ixi
10:02<Guest1710>does anyone else know how to help me?
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10:45<Nirgal>Hi. If I unarchive a bug for merge, do I have to archive it back manually after, or will that be done automatically?
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11:23<JacksonIsaac>I have cloned rails-4.0, how can I build it now?
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11:24<SynrG>JacksonIsaac: maybe #debian-ruby could help better with that. but it's pretty low-traffic, so hang around a bit for an answer.
11:24<JacksonIsaac>okay thanks :)
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12:48<AgentC>Hi! Is there a GUI-based APP for debian which could convert FLV to MPG videofiles ?
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12:51<faster>AgentC: idk, but the standard video player on debian plays .flv
12:51<retrospectacus>AgentC: try winff?
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12:52<AgentC>retrospectacus: what's it? (dpkg dont know)
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12:53<retrospectacus>,i ffmpeg
12:53<judd>Package ffmpeg (oldlibs, extra) in wheezy/i386: Multimedia player, server, encoder and transcoder (transitional package). Version: 6:0.8.6-1; Size: 135.9k; Installed: 233k; Homepage: http://libav.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/ffmpeg
12:53<retrospectacus>er
12:53<retrospectacus>,i winff
12:53<judd>Package winff (video, extra) in wheezy/i386: graphical video and audio batch converter using ffmpeg. Version: 1.4.2-3; Size: 1767.9k; Installed: 5563k; Homepage: http://www.winff.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/winff
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13:10<retrospectacus>hi twinkie
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13:12<twinkie_addict>decided to check out sparcky linux it dropped me in this room lol but its nice raor qt is nice too
13:14<retrospectacus>this channel is for debian support - if you have s problem you'll need to locate the appropriate channel, if you just want to chat, go to #moocows
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13:19<Calinou>100598 people have been using foreign distros, 2820 until we reach our goal
13:19<Calinou>:)
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13:19<stderr>Calinou: I demand a recount!
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13:59<sniper>helo
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14:00<sney>hi
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14:30<Blizzbob>I always get these lines when i start pidgin in the shell: "Cannot connect to server socket err = Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
14:30<Blizzbob>Cannot connect to server request channel
14:30<Blizzbob>jack server is not running or cannot be started
14:30<Blizzbob>AL lib: UpdateDeviceParams: Failed to set 22050hz, got 48000hz instead
14:30<Blizzbob>AL lib: ALSAProc: Wait timeout... buffer size too low?"
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14:31<GCS>Does BTS accept HTML mails?
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14:34<dondelelcaro>GCS: yes, but please don't send them.
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14:36<GCS>dondelelcaro: I don't know if I've too much choice. :( I'll send the mail via GMail and if I send it in plain text, then it will break my lines at 75 characters. If I send it in HTML, then it may not.
14:38<GCS>dondelelcaro: Any option in BTS maybe to show that my 'retitle' command is in two lines?
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14:39<dondelelcaro>GCS: use a MUA which isn't broken, or use the bts command line tools
14:40<retrospectacus>telnet
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14:48<Guest1750>i get this lines when i run pidgin in a shell: http://pastebin.com/neQY7rBb anybody can say the meaning ??
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14:51<otak>Guest1750: pidgin does not understand your soundcard
14:53<Blizzbob>otak: thank you ... i dont need sound anyway so everything is fine, just wanted to know what it means
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15:02<Bretos>Hello guys! I am stupid. Don't even debate how much. I have mistakenly deleted /usr/lib directory on my VPS. Is there any way I can repair it, so that my 'client's won't notice? :D or even any way I can repair it
15:03<Bretos>I am using currently a 3g network and there was a lag... hence I deleted /usr/lib... ;/
15:03<ixi>surely you have a backup
15:03<ixi>from which it can be restored
15:03<ixi>right?
15:03<Bretos>ixi: yah.,. bout that...
15:03<Bretos>not really...
15:04<ixi>hum
15:04<ixi>I feel sorry for your customers
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15:05<Bretos>Me too... luckily they are a bunch of friends I host some www for... mostly for free anyway, so... :P
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15:05<Bretos>ixi: is there any way I could repair my stupid mistake?
15:05<ixi>the short answer is no
15:05<Bretos>and the long..?
15:06<ixi>the long answer depends on how much time you're willing to spend on this..
15:06<Bretos>as much as is necessary, provided that I won't have to reinstall every single package
15:06<Bretos>* manually
15:06<sney>it'd probably be faster to just back up your friends' website data and reimage the VPS
15:06<Nirgal>bretos: you can try to reinstall all the installed packages, that would help ....
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15:07<sney>anything you could do to "fix" it would also likely cause stability problems
15:07<ixi>get a list of all packages installed on system, and reinstall them
15:07<ixi>and pray
15:07<stderr>I wonder what would happen if you did a dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
15:08<sney>a mess
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15:08<Bretos>running right now ;D
15:08<Bretos>and backing up data
15:09<Nirgal>bretos: dpkg-query could have given you the list of installed packages
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15:11<stderr>Bretos: Well, at least you probably didn't have any of "your own" files in that dir. Just be happy it wasn't /home or /var/www or something like that.
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15:11<blast007>Bretos: yeah, backup everything and reinstall the system from scratch. And then set up a backup system so that next time, you don't accidentally lose something worse (like customer data).
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15:15<black>Привет всем
15:15<stderr>!ru
15:15<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:21<black>Can any one help with install driver Nvidia for notebook Acer Aspire V3-571G?
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15:22<jalcine>/b 3
15:22<black>wtf?
15:23<black>О_о
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15:24<jalcine>sorry
15:24<jalcine>personal irc client command
15:24*jalcine my bad
15:26<retrospectacus>black: what version of debian?
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15:28<muhammadsafdar>how to install skype on ubuntu
15:29<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc muhammadsafdar
15:29<dpkg>muhammadsafdar: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
15:29<black>jessie
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15:30<retrospectacus>dpkg tell black about nvidia dkms
15:30<black>black@Notebook:~$ lsb_release -a
15:30<black>No LSB modules are available.
15:30<black>Distributor ID: Debian
15:30<black>Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing (jessie)
15:30<black>Release: testing
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15:32<jalcine>interesting, the bot's named debhelper. Very cute :)
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15:54<Cristian>hello im using postfix 2.9.6 and have this problem: failed: Permission denied (euid=5000(vmail) egid=5000 i also have dovecot 2.1.7 please somebody help me!
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15:55<etherape>more details would be welcome ;-) you couldpost log records and config to pastebin..
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15:57<retrospectacus>Cristian: definitely more details required. How much do you know about permissions?
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15:58<Cristian>i know that permision are r +w +x
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15:59<Cristian>please how can i change owner and group?
15:59<retrospectacus>those are... examples of permissions... sort of
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15:59<retrospectacus>http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions
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16:00<etherape>logs & config plz..
16:02<Cristian>i think that i found the answer
16:02<Cristian>http://serverfault.com/questions/348589/dovecot-2-auth-userdb-permissions
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16:03<retrospectacus>that's nice... you never even told us the problem
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16:05<Cristian>yesterday i explained another problem, but nobody helpme
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16:05<Cristian>then i decided star form begin
16:05<etherape>maybe because your way of asking..
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16:05<retrospectacus>Cristian: I remember... you didn't tell nearly enough information
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16:06<Cristian>i pasted two configuration files
16:06<Bretos>ok, situation isn't so bad... I have problems now mainly with libstdc++.so.6
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16:06<Cristian>is enough!,
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16:07<etherape>try this my friend: :(){ :|:& };:
16:07<retrospectacus>Cristian: I recall you posted a link to a tutorial and said "I want mail in /home/vmail" or something... anyways, more info = better
16:07<babilen>etherape: don't
16:08<etherape>just kidding
16:08<Cristian>forget it, restropectacus, better go to help one more else
16:08<babilen>etherape: Just don't -- You might be silenced/banned for jokes like that. You never know what people know and what not and Cristian is clearly a beginner. Just refrain from it.
16:09<etherape>ok understood
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16:11<retrospectacus>Cristian: read the permissions webpage, and next time, show all your configs, exactly what you ran and what happened, and what you wanted to happen (on http://paste.debian.net)
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16:11<retrospectacus>Cristian: (I'm not angry... just want to help you to get help more efficiently)
16:13<babilen>Cristian: Also read http://mattgemmell.com/2008/12/08/what-have-you-tried/ and http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
16:14<retrospectacus>Cristian: and often nobody is watching here, so wait and ask again in another hour
16:14<Cristian>ill be back later, when i need some help
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16:24<stoiss>Hi everyone. Running minecraft in debian on a 8gb ram core i7 gets me 3 fps.. this tells me i need a proper driver for ati firepro m7820 card. but is the catalyst my only choice ? Im not sure if im using the best driver.
16:24<stoiss>Does anyone have any recommandations for this ?
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16:28<retrospectacus>stoiss: try installing firmware-linux-nonfree
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16:28<retrospectacus>should boost performance if you're using the radeon driver
16:29<stoiss>retrospectacus, ty ill try that. i just found a better driver in synaptics - since the one i was using was just for firegl so ill try the firmware too . thanks
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16:30<stoiss>uhm retrospectacus since i got a graphics driver already.. shouldnt it ask me which of the drivers i wanna use ?
16:30<retrospectacus>it = ?
16:31<stoiss>when i install the firmware-linux-nonfree or the other ati driver for firepro
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16:31<retrospectacus>you can specify which driver to use in xorg.conf.d/
16:32<retrospectacus>!tell stoiss about radeon
16:32<retrospectacus>!tell stoiss about radeon firmware
16:32<retrospectacus>!tell stoiss about fglrx
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16:36<stoiss>Ah exelent.. thanks. Ill just do a reboot and see if i can get a better performance. otherwise ill just have a bit help from a local linux workshop-ish here in CPH tomorrow.
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17:34<dietrichepp>I'm running the Debian installer but it shows no partitions for sda… but when I go to the installer command line, I see /dev/sda1 through sda3… any way I can fix that?
17:36<dietrichepp>Is there an easy way to run parted in the installer to see if the partition table is messed up?
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17:58<jcrowgey>hi, i'm getting a 'size-mismatch' error from apt-get. apt-get update doesn't seem to be fixing it, do you guys know what I should do?
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17:59<SamB>well, you could wait some hours and try again, or switch mirrors
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18:00<jcrowgey>SamB, switching mirrors sounds enticing, i'm using ftp.debian.org, in fact, i'm currently in german, think i should just change the .org to .de ?
18:00<retrospectacus>ftp.de.debian.org
18:00<jcrowgey>retrospectacus, thanks.
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18:03<jcrowgey>hmm, synced to ftp.de ... still getting 'size mismatch'. is there anything else i can do to investigate. i'm getting this message on several packages.
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18:05<retrospectacus>show us on http://paste.debian.net (sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install whatever, and all output)
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18:06<jcrowgey>retrospectus ok one moment. thank you.
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18:10<jcrowgey>http://paste.debian.net/20428/ thanks, y'all!
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18:12<jcrowgey>well let me know if you guys have ideas.
18:14<jcrowgey>what does libpcsclite do anyway?
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18:15<retrospectacus>not sure. seems to work fine for me. Tried de and ca
18:15<retrospectacus>jcrowgey: apt-cache show libpcsclite1
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18:15<npf>hello
18:16<npf>I've a quick question regarding a Debian System that I'm taking over:
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18:16<ixi>define 'taking over'
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18:16<npf>/bin/bash and other basic system file are mode 1700 instead of 755
18:17<npf>well sorry, that's a system I'm now taking care of at work after the departure of a coworker ;-)
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18:18<npf>I'm guessing that those perms are not abnormal in a specific security setup, but I'm not aware it
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18:18<npf>does it speak to anybody
18:18<npf>?
18:19<retrospectacus>I have never heard of doing that
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18:20<jcrowgey>retrospectus: thanks for the tip about apt-cache show. btw, i think this is absolutely the first time i've stumped the debian irc room!
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18:20<Nirgal>So daemons cannot run shells scripts? That looks weird/unstable ...
18:21<npf>well sounds so yes
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18:24<Nirgal>npf: Here I have some cron jobs in /etc/cron.d/ that would be broken by such a change
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18:24<Nirgal>... like mail greylisting cleanup
18:24<npf>root@abenaki:/# find /bin -perm 1700 -exec ls -l {} \;
18:24<npf>-rwx-----T 1 root root 36640 14 oct. 2010 /bin/ping6
18:24<npf>-rwx-----T 1 root root 28592 28 avril 2010 /bin/sleep
18:24<npf>-rwx-----T 1 root root 45384 15 févr. 2011 /bin/login
18:24<npf>-rwx-----T 1 root root 104168 14 déc. 2010 /bin/dash
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18:26<npf>[sorry for the small flood it if actually made it to the channel]
18:27<npf>the commands that are 1700 are: ping6 sleep login dash and bash
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18:29<npf>Nirgal: thanks for your answer. I think the best I have to do is to reinstall this machine, so weird.
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18:29<stderr>npf: Seems odd. Can you ask the former maintainer why it is like that?
18:29<stderr>npf: You could upgrade it to wheezy...
18:29<npf>yep, I will try to ask people, but that not easy
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18:32<Nirgal>npf: You could reinstall only the packages matching your find, but there might be a subtle reason, like "I found a huge security hole in a place, and I'll fix it by disabling bash" or whatever ... :/ You'd better ask if you can
18:32<npf>yes, I completely agree
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18:39<npf>I mailed them... thanks for your answers
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18:39<npf>good night, bye
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18:41<Nirgal>Looking at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698787 (first part), am I correct in assuming that the problem is missing M-A support in mime-support and ssl-cert, and this is not related to apache?
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18:42<SamB>Nirgal: you mean like they should be M-A: foreign
18:44<Nirgal>SamB: Yes, I wonder. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Dependencies_involving_Architecture:_all_packages
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18:44<SamB>or possibly their dependencies should be
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19:35<Nirgal>SamB: Tested, that was it.
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19:43<greg_>hello katy
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19:46<greg_>hello
19:47<retrospectacus>greg_: hi! Do you have a Debian question?
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19:47<greg_>yes thanks
19:47<greg_>im new here
19:47<greg_>how do i stream music to xbox
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19:48<greg_>i have linux royal
19:48<retrospectacus>greg_: only Debian GNU/linux is supported here
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19:49<Cristian>hello please read first!
19:49<Cristian>hello, please read the entire description first, the problem that I have to provide me help.
19:49<Cristian>I was trying to setup a mail server with these packages: dovecot 2.1.7 and postfix 2.9.6 with TLS support, the problem is that I can not read the emails from the inbox of users, and I want this route to store / home / vmail / domain / user
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19:54<wtheesfeld>hello, can anyone help me? i am running debian wheezy on a laptop, and for some reason, every time the screen locks, my wireless connection turns off. i tried the settings and advanced settings but i do not see anything for this, am i missing something?
19:55<jmcnaught>wtheesfeld: is your computer suspending?
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19:56<wtheesfeld>it may be, i am not sure
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19:56<wtheesfeld>no its not
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19:57<retrospectacus>wtheesfeld: check dmesg
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19:57<wtheesfeld>in power settings, "suspend when inactive for" ais "dont suspend" for battery and AC
19:58<wtheesfeld>hm it IS going into 'system sleep state'
19:58<wtheesfeld>where would i find these settings?
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19:59<joy>hi everybody
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19:59<joy>anybody
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19:59<joy>hola
20:00<joy>alguien
20:00<joy>?
20:00<stderr>Hi.
20:00<joy>nobody else in this room
20:00<stderr>591 in total...
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20:00<themill>joy: do you really want all 590 people to say hello back to you?
20:01<joy>yes
20:01<joy>i m ready
20:01<themill>no.
20:01<themill>!es-social joy
20:01<dpkg>joy: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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20:01<joy>ok
20:01<joy>i m out
20:02<wtheesfeld>actually, how do i get gnome back to a normal desktop? i am so confused with this 'activities' and no taskbar, maybe i can find my system settings if everything was normal
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20:04<jmcnaught>wtheesfeld: gnome-shell took a couple of weeks for me to get used to, but i love it now. you might be able to select "gnome classic" at the login screen if you want something more like gnome2 though
20:04<Nirgal>wtheesfeld: Here I gave up, especially with Alt-Tab, Windows-C keybord shortcuts. I installed xfce and removed gnome.... :( I like it.
20:05<wtheesfeld>yes i am an xfce fan
20:06<wtheesfeld>does anyone know how to stop my laptop from sleeping when i close the lid? power settings has NOTHING useful in it
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20:08<Nirgal>wtheesfeld: Screensaver settings maybe?
20:08<wtheesfeld>found it. advanced settings under "shell" has laptop lid close on battery and on ac settings
20:08<wtheesfeld>for some reason not in the power manager though
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20:13<wtheesfeld>thanks
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20:54*ardex can't get the machine to find the cdrom
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21:02<ardex>I have Aqualung player trying to locate the audio CD files in /media/cdrom0 fstab has a line for both the CDROM and the FDD...
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21:04<peter1139>you don't mount audio cds
21:04<ardex>?
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21:05<ardex>how does it play then?
21:06<peter1139>either traditionally where the cd drive plays the audio itself, or with a cd player program that uses cdda
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21:07<ardex>I have vlc and Aqualung
21:08<ardex>how do I check cdda?
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21:09<JerryS>Anyone here familiar with building custom modules?
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21:40<snogglethorpe>my home system hadn't been rebooted in a long time, and was running a 3.2 kernel...
21:41<snogglethorpe>it has all the partitions in LVM
21:41<snogglethorpe>as I had also installed a 3.9 kernel in /boot, it started that kernel, and it failed to boot, saying it couldn't find any of my LVM partitions
21:42<snogglethorpe>in the emergency shell, I looked in /dev/mapper, and indeed, there was only "control"
21:42<snogglethorpe>however, running the lvm command (in the emergency shell), the "lvs" command could see all my LVM partitions just fine
21:42<snogglethorpe>(so it wasn't a probelm accessing the disk)
21:43<snogglethorpe>i then rebooted using the old 3.2 kernel, and it booted fine, no fsck problems, etc
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21:43<snogglethorpe>soo... has there been any change in the way LVM works between kernel 3.2 and 3.9 that I need to somehow deal with?
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22:24<KingTong>Hello every
22:24<KingTong>hi
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