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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-07-31

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01:27<james41382>When you install grub-splashimages where does it get unpacked to?
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01:29<SamB>run "dpkg -L grub-splashimages" if it's already installed or "apt-file list grub-splashimages" otherwise
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01:33<rjsalts>james41382: assuming you have apt-file installed and up to date you can also see the info on packages.debian.org
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01:38<Infiltrator>rjsalts: Why is apt-file a requirement for seeing the info on packages.debian.org?
01:39<rjsalts>Infiltrator: it's not, I should have put a full stop between up to date and You can also ..
01:40<SamB>hehehe
01:40<mass_novel>hehehehehe.............
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03:04<leony>How can I see all versions of a package that are available in the repo?
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03:06<jm_>leony: rmadison, http://packages.debian.org/
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03:06<jm_>apt-cache policy
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03:06<judd>Or ask me!
03:07<jm_>heh
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03:09<llandon>ask-judd: command not found, did i need a special package for this?
03:09<jm_>judd versions bash
03:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 583] by debhelper
03:10<judd>Package: bash on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1-3; wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1; jessie: 4.2+dfsg-1; sid: 4.2+dfsg-1
03:10<jm_>but in general use it via /msg
03:10<jm_>judd is an irc bot
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04:35<greenit>hi, i have a problem with eclipse: when i right-click on a package, the context-menu it is not centered and therefore some options are out of the screen... do you know how to fix this? or should i ask in #eclipse on freenode?
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04:43<prem__>i am not able to configure a local printer in my ltsp client machien
04:43<prem__>the server is debian squeeze with ltsp
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05:12<bibo>hello - somebody installed mate under wheezy?
05:13<kikinovak>Hi. I'm currently updating my Linux Administration Bible (a printed book in french). On the latest count, Debian Squeeze counted roughly 14.000 source packages. Anyone knows approximately how many there are for Wheezy?
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05:15<franki^>kikinovak: Do a wc on http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz ?
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05:19<kikinovak>franki^: Wow! That's more than 48600 packages.
05:20<kikinovak>franki^: thanks
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06:46<Zathraz>hi. On a debian wheezy amd64 system I am experiencing the issue that apt-get update/upgrade does no longer work. Also apt-get install <packagename> does no longer work due to unresolved issues. A load of packages is in a dubious state of updating. Checking logs also gives things like (error from apt/aptitude): E: Internal Error, No file name for
06:47<Zathraz>what can be wrong/how can I fix this?
06:47<Zathraz>also the claim that libs-ia32 is not goinjg to be installed. I checked and it is not a multiarchitecture setup. Only amd64
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06:48<jm_>!bat
06:48<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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06:56<ardex>Error: Could not mount Audio Disc Location is not mountable
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06:56<babilen>exactly
06:57<ardex>so,
06:57<babilen>Zathraz: We really need the information mentioned in the "bat" factoid jm_ invoked above
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07:01<ardex>babilen: if I comment out the two lines in fstab for the removable drives, (FDD and CDROM), will that restore the audio CD functions?
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07:02<babilen>you never mount audio CDs, but you might have a weird entry that configures USB sticks as CDs in your /etc/fstab if you installed from USB
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07:03<babilen>Audio CD player simply play directly from the CD .. you never mount them like you mount other filesystems.
07:03<ardex>Hmmm. I installed from netinstall CD
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07:04<ardex>Can I rewrite fstab?
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07:05<babilen>ardex: You might want to post it to http://paste.debian.net and then tell us which problem you are actually trying to solve. As I said: you never really mount an Audio CD but players simply play them.
07:05<ardex>"it"?
07:05<peter1139>yeah, fstab is nothing to do with playing a cd
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07:06<jm_>it = fstab
07:06<ardex>ok, Thanks peter1139. we tackled this yesterday
07:06<ardex>ok will do
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07:07<peter1139>vlc cdda:///dev/cdrom
07:07<peter1139>should be enough to play an audio cd with vlc
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07:08<babilen>ardex might already be using another audio player .. but then I have no idea what ardex is actually trying to do :) -- All I know is that one doesn't mount an Audio CD in order to play it so the "error" message above makes perfect sense.
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07:09<ardex>paste.debian.net/20744
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07:10*jm_ smiles seeing /dev/fd0, haven't seen that for a while
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07:11<babilen>jm_: I had the same reaction :)
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07:14<ardex>paste.debian.net/20745
07:15<Zathraz>babilen, I am cleaning up the output as some messages are repeated a zillion times resulting in a 600k+ output file. One moment please
07:15<bluewater>it should be something like /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,ro,users 0 0
07:16<ardex>bluewater: paste.debian.net/20744
07:17<peter1139>the /dev/sr0 is correct, the /mnt/auto/cdrom line is non-standard
07:17<peter1139>but it's irrelevant for playing audio cds
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07:17<peter1139>so vlc can't read the disc properly. is it scratched?
07:18<peter1139>or a non-standard audio cd
07:18<ardex>no idon't think so, but will check...
07:18<babilen>ardex: What are you trying to do?
07:18<ardex>tray light is on continuously
07:18<babilen>ardex: do you actually want to play the audio cd? which program do you use to play it?
07:18<jm_>tray light on suggests trouble reading the disc
07:19<ardex>I have both vlc and aqualung
07:19<ardex>no scratches
07:19<peter1139>i imagine most people only ever put an audio cd in to make a backup in ogg/flac...
07:20<ardex>light went off. maybe the lens is dirty
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07:22<ardex>Your input can't be opened:
07:22<ardex>VLC is unable to open the MRL 'cdda:///dev/cdrom'. Check the log for details.
07:25*ardex is stumped. which log?
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07:32<ardex>more digging. thanks all
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07:32<Zathraz>babilen, jm_ : http://paste.debian.net/20747/
07:32<Zathraz>I assume the loops are the biggest issue. This is not my system. No idea what they did to get here
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07:33<Zathraz>on an other system with FOG I did not have these loops. rc.local is the main culprit?
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07:33<babilen>Zathraz: Where is FOGImageReplicator from? That doesn't look like a Debian package.
07:34<babilen>Zathraz: Well, essentially the LSB headers of those third-party init scripts are broken ... You should contact upstream about that issue or fix them yourself.
07:34<babilen>dpkg: tell Zathraz about lsb headers
07:34<babilen>dpkg: tell Zathraz about lsb header
07:34<jm_>you could just nuke that init script
07:34<babilen>:-/
07:34<jm_>:)
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07:35<babilen>dpkg: tell Zathraz about missing lsb tags
07:35<babilen>dpkg: tell Zathraz about init script
07:36<Zathraz>FOG is a bunch of required crap. And there is no Debian package of it
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07:36<jm_>well someone will have to fix the script then
07:36<Zathraz>guess that would be me
07:36<Zathraz>:P
07:37<Zathraz>just wondering if that's all. I assume that the apt-issues are not 100% related to just the LSB scripts
07:38<jm_>I only see dpkg errors, not apt errors
07:38<jm_>fix the script and then 'dpkg --pending --configure' shall sort it out
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07:42<Zathraz>ok. ty.
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08:05<Cor3>hello! my audio works ok, but to the log comes this: [pulseaudio] module-alsa-card.c: Failed to find a working profile.
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08:09*ixi wonders if 'if it works dont fix it' applies
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08:12<zathras>thanks. All is fine now
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08:14<jm_>no worries
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08:15<james41382>I have installed Wheezy a few times. A couple times the debian themed background has been there for grub and a couple it has not. I have been trying to figure out why it is not there currently, but with no success. Any ideas?
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08:18<ZIPY>james41382: maybe gui installer vs text installer but dont know
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08:19<james41382>ZIPY: I used the graphical installation every time.
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08:19<ZIPY>also same installers? netinstaller or dvdiso
08:19<james41382>net install every time.
08:19<ZIPY>i remember i had the debian background too in grub
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08:20<james41382>wierd right. 2 out 4 it was there and 2 it was not.
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08:21<ZIPY>i think i had an other grub menu too when i didnt choose lvm + disk encryption
08:22<james41382>ZIPY: 2 times i setup encryption. 1 is had the background and 1 it did not.
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08:26<jm_>perhaps you installed a desktop task of some kind
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08:28<james41382>jm_: desktop task?
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08:29<jm_>james41382: yes
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08:30<james41382>jm_: i don't know what you mean. can you explain?
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08:31<jm_>james41382: run tasksel, see the first item, or 'apt-cache search task desktop'
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08:33<emre>o neydi gız
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08:38<james41382>jm_: okay i remember a similar screen during the installation. yes it says debian desktop environment.
08:39<jm_>james41382: so maybe you once installed that and once not, just guessing, apparently /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme will also use any images found in /boot/grub so if something puts them there ...
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08:40<james41382>jm_: i believe i selected everything off that list every time.
08:40<jm_>james41382: then I have no other ideas, sorry
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08:40<james41382>jm_: =[
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08:44<nmeum>is it possible to get more options during the keyboard selection in the installer? Because if I run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration after the installation I can select the correct keyboard layout…
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09:13<nmeum>is it possible that the netinstall image has less keymaps?
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09:26<qmr>http://pastie.org/pastes/8193516/text is that a bug ? apt says I have screen 4.1, screen says it's 4.01
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09:27<themill>qmr: 4.01 and 4.1 are identical versions
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09:28<themill>!version compare
09:28<dpkg>The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as «dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true». See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields#s-f-Version , <version epoch>, <debian revision>.
09:28<qmr>themill: can you elaborate? if this is so, why can I not multiplex
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09:31<qmr>Wait, I just used splitscreens on this host the other day. I must be doing something incorrectly.
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10:30<disposable>i want to use a software raid mirror with hdd and ssd, where hdd would be as a --write-mostly device. how do i get fstrim or 'mount -o discard' to work with the ssd? do i just run fstrim agains the mountpoint of the /dev/mdX device?
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10:33<disposable>i've googled this and found (conflicting) answers about ssd+ssd raid, but nothing about mixed volumes.
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10:49<administrator>hello
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11:03<merlin1991>which package includes the pthread_rwlock* docs / manpages? glibc-doc only contains a subset of the pthread docs
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11:51<ardex>paste.debian.net/20902
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11:53<retrospectacus>ardex: try vlc dvd://1
11:53<galvao>Greetings. I'm trying to follow the instructions for installking Oracle's Java on my Wheezy box (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=77140), but the .tgz file I've downloaded doesn't seem to contain a .bin file. Can anyone please help?
11:53<ardex>ok
11:53<galvao>s/installking/installing
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11:54<retrospectacus>galvao: http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun
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11:55<ardex>retrospectacus: paste.debian.net/20904
11:55<galvao>retrospectacus: Thank you, so I've just downloaded the wrong file, basically?
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11:56<retrospectacus>galvao: no idea, I've only installed the openjdk stuff. Those are the directions though.
11:56<galvao>k, gonna try here. Thanks again
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11:58<retrospectacus>ardex: that DVD is probably using CSS (content scrambling) which is (somehow) illegal to unscramble without an "approved" player...
11:58<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell ardex about css
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11:58<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell ardex about libdvdcss
11:59<ardex>retrospectacus: it's an audio cd
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11:59<retrospectacus>vlc is a video player.
12:00<ardex>yes, but it will (or can) play audio cd's
12:00<nmeum>is it possible to check if a service has been disabled by update-rc.d?
12:01<retrospectacus>nmeum: you can review the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/
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12:02<retrospectacus>ardex: hmm. I don't have vlc but istr you can click "open disk" in the main interface.
12:02<ardex>yes thats' what I did. Play is at the bottom
12:03<ardex>this may be a permissions problem. Group cdrom? maybe
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12:04<galvao>retrospectacus: Same problem: Java7 doesn't come with any .bin files
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12:04<retrospectacus>galvao: make-jpkg said that?
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12:06<ardex>I get: VLC is unable to open the MRL 'cdda:///media/cdrom0'. Check the log for details.
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12:07<galvao>retrospectacus: Oh, nvm, I didn't knew I'd run on the .tgz file itself. Thanks again
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12:09<retrospectacus>ardex: try the vlc channel: #videolan on irc.videolan.org
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12:11<ardex>retrospectacus: ok. will do and thanks vm
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12:36<cabeza>hola
12:37<retrospectacus>hello
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12:41<ian>quit
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12:44<arand>I've been presented with a wheezy server (bridged net virtualbox) which only can ping to LAN, and nothing outside that, in addition, the LAN pinging seems to happen extremely rarely, so that it takes 10s for the first ping response, even though it claims that it only had a delay of 2.4ms
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12:44<arand>does anyone have any clue what the cause of such symptomps could be?
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12:47<retrospectacus>badly configured by host - missing gateway and DNS?
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12:47<Nirgal>arand: difference between ping printed and felt is usually DNS. try ping -n see the difference
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12:47<retrospectacus>arand: check "route -n" for default gateway, can you ping that?
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12:49<arand>I don't have the machine available at the moment I'm afraid, but I'll note these down for when I have, thanks. I was guessing DNS or so, but I couldn't find anything that looked off when looking through resolv.conf, hosts, etc.
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12:53<Nirgal>arand: And if that's a virtualbox, check the host firewall
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13:02<Aseel>hi
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13:06<antooon>Moo. Semi-retarded question, not a big problem but. Anyone might have any idea why my monitor turns off for 1 second exactly every 10 seconds? Freshly installed debian, monitor works on another computer
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13:07<antooon>I'm 80% sure it's cuz of the hardware, but perhaps there could be some sort of work around for it
13:07<antooon>actually i'm like 99% sure it's hardware
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13:12<Crow>have ya'll protested the NSA today?
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13:15<blast007>antooon: I had a similar issue with one of my systems with an nVidia card. Are you using an nVidia card in that system? If so, what driver?
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13:15<yogi_>hallo
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13:19<lampshade>hi i am trying to bootstrap debian to a GPT drive and am unsure about how to install grub properly and write the fstab file
13:19<lampshade>it seems there is little documentation on this, so either a new issue as drives are growing, or maybe i am missing a way to avoid this altogether. i have a partition, /dev/sda1 1007 kb marked as bios_grub on with sgdisk. and a boot partition, /dev/sda2, and the rest of the system on the LVM. my question is: do I need /dev/sda2 as /boot, or is that supposed to be /dev/sda1 bios_grub? and regardless, do I need an fstab entry for /dev/sda1, marked as bios_g
13:19<lampshade>rub? and when i run grub-install, do i install to /dev/sda or somewhere else?
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13:22<yogi_>how to install ubuntu Greenfoot at 13:04..
13:23<gnugr>yogi_:you are in wrong channel, this is debian support channel
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13:24<gnugr>dpkg: tell lampshade about fixmbr
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13:25<lampshade>gnugr: thank you
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13:26<yogi_>how to install Debian Greenfoot at 13:04..
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13:33<fenris_kcf>13:04?
13:33<fenris_kcf>here it 19:32
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13:36<gabe_>hey
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13:37<gabe_>does anyone know what happens if I install solydxk and then I install windows? Will windows override GRUB?
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13:38<ardex>retrospectacus:this url helped: http://wiki.debian.org/SoundConfiguration
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15:06<socialbug>i need help with django
15:07<retrospectacus>#django on irc.freenode.net
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15:07<socialbug>thanks
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15:31<yashwant>hi i am using debian 7, and I installed google-chrome in debian but hindi is not working in google-traslater, is there any solutions for more language support by debian...
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15:33<trico>try searching in synaptic for hindi fonts
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16:36<DennisTheTiger>Hi! I'm trying to upgrade libc6 in Wheezy to something >2.15 due to dependencies in Google Music Manager, in order to get around a known bug. The problem is that only 2.13 exists in the Wheezy repos. I've attempted to backport using steps <simple sid backport> in order to get my hands on libc6 2.17 in Sid, however, compilation of the backport package failed due to dependencies - and 2.17 does not yet appear to be available i
16:36<DennisTheTiger>n backports. My Google-fu has failed me for this one, as any results I pull up seem to be more related to backporting into squeeze, or saving a system where a backport failed (the latter of which may prove useful). How can I effectively get this installed without recompiling the world or upgrading to testing?
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16:43<retrospectacus>DennisTheTiger: sid vm
16:43<DennisTheTiger>retrospectacus: ...how's that?
16:43<retrospectacus>make a virtual machine running sid
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16:45<DennisTheTiger>OK. Would the next steps be to build the package from deb-src in Sid (or even Jessie) and then bring it into my Wheezy install?
16:45<retrospectacus>no, just run it in the VM.
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16:47<DennisTheTiger>This does not get libc6 2.17 into Wheezy, though, and I would like to not run a VM *or* Sid.
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16:48<retrospectacus>you're never gonna get libc6 2.17 into wheezy
16:49<DennisTheTiger>That's the part I needed to hear. The better solution would be to upgrade my workstation to Jessie. How far from Sid is she these days?
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16:50<DennisTheTiger>Well, that, or wait for an update. That can take some time. =)
16:50<retrospectacus>(well maybe you could shoehorn it in but you'd be constantly dealing with issues with every other piece of software)
16:50<DennisTheTiger>That's why I'm not going to shoehorn it. =)
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16:55<DennisTheTiger>Eh, time to bite the bullet. Let it run while Irun an errand or three.
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17:22<TheDimitri25>yo
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17:24<Rcart>hello, i'm having problems to start a notification daemon with a tiling wm
17:24<TheDimitri25>do you speak french?
17:25<phillipsjk>!fr
17:25<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
17:25<Rcart>when I try to start notify-osd, i.e, I get: ** (notify-osd:6421): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
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17:26<Rcart>any idea?
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17:56<hemlockII>hello all, I'm trying to build the bcm4331 broadcom driver on my macbook dual boot (on mint debian) and failing after 'make' . Any suggestions?
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17:59<retrospectacus>hemlockII: if you were using Debian I'd show you http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
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17:59<retrospectacus>but you will have to go to the mint channel for help
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18:25<thecodesec>Ola
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19:14<redshadowhero>Oh my. That's a lot of names.
19:16<retrospectacus>redshadowhero: welcome to #debian. Please ask your Debian question. If you just want to chat, go to #moocows
19:16<redshadowhero>Oh. Okay. I just switched to terminator, and I was wondering if there was a way to enable audible beeps.
19:17<retrospectacus>it may be configurable by your window manager, or try "xset +b"
19:19<redshadowhero>...or nevermind. Apparently I blacklisted the wrong speaker. Which leads to a new question: how do I disable the 'system beep' on reboot in gnome?
19:19<retrospectacus>sorry the command is "xset b on"
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20:16<hemlockII>Hello, anyone with broadcom b43 driver knowledge here?
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20:16<stderr>!ask
20:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:19<hemlockII>Well, I'm on a macbook w/ Mint Debian & trying to make the wireless work as per instructions here: http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/10/macbook-pro-wireless-broadcom-bcm4331.html however when time comes to "make" I get unending errors like: http://paste.debian.net/21117/
20:19<andyzheng>哈哈
20:19<retrospectacus>!zh
20:19<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
20:20<retrospectacus>!lmde
20:20<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
20:21<hemlockII>Very helpful thank you, but this is a generic linux question, not just debian or mint or whatever
20:22<retrospectacus>then try #linux on chat.freenode.net - we can only support Debian.
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20:25<hemlockII>great thanks
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20:25<stderr>hemlockII: That guide is from 2011. modprobe no longer has a "-l" option.
20:25<stderr>Oh well...
20:26<Supaplex>personally I lub my netgear wna1100 usb sticks (ath9k-htc driver). atheros for the win :)
20:26<andyzheng>I have a question, how to check the total I/O of Disk or tools.
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20:26<retrospectacus>andyzheng: try iotop
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20:30<andyzheng>Thanks
20:30<cepkos>hi, I'm having a problem with my synaptics mouse
20:30<cepkos>for some reason, when I reinstalled Debian, my middle button stopped working
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20:30<cepkos>and xinit says that the touchpad doesn't have middle button cabability
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20:32<cepkos>this is really bugging me
20:32<cepkos>was there an update to the synaptics driver?
20:32<cepkos>how do I downgrade?
20:33<redshadowhero>cepkos: you mean going from Jessie back to Wheezy, or Wheezy back to Squeeze?
20:33<cepkos>the driver itself, not Debian
20:33<retrospectacus>!synaptics
20:33<dpkg>Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>.
20:34<abrotman>seems it'd be easier to fix it
20:34<cepkos>everything about the mouse is fine
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20:34<cepkos>aside from the fact that the middle mouse button isn't recognized
20:35<retrospectacus>sometimes middle-click is a tap in a corner or certain spot on the side, or tap with 2 or 3 fingers, or press both buttons. probably configurable with those tools the robot mentioned ^
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20:41<cepkos>so is there a way I can force xinput to see my middle button?
20:41<cepkos>it should just be there
20:42<cepkos>the last install I had of Wheezy, the middle button was recognized without issue
20:42<cepkos>I have no idea what changed
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20:48<TCW>hum... upgraded an oldish P2-300 laptop from lenny to squeeze (I don't want to go further up....) and now keyboard and mouse do not work in X. Any ideas?
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20:49<retrospectacus>TCW: check the log
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20:49<TCW>retrospectacus, already on it, but no real idea what to look for
20:49<retrospectacus>something about input
20:51<TCW>(II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices. <- retrospectacus, the only time "input" is mentioned
20:51<retrospectacus>cepkos: I suppose you can put an input section in xorg.conf.d/ specifying synaptics and maybe some options for it but I don't think it should be necessary
20:51<TCW>"If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices." is the next line
20:52<TCW>"keyb" not found once, for "mouse" once "(==) TRIDENT(0): Silken mouse enabled" but that seems to be unrelated
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20:53<cepkos>retrospectacus: there are no synaptics options to force middle button to work
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20:53<TCW>retrospectacus, /dev/input/mice is the only file in /dev/input/ btw.
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20:54<cepkos>retrospectacus: I feel like there's something wrong with the driver, but I don't know where to downgrade my driver
20:54<TCW>retrospectacus, aahhh... udev is not running :)
20:54<retrospectacus>cepkos: are you sure it's using that driver?
20:54<TCW>had to reboot to 2.6.25 because intel e100 fw was missing :)
20:54<cepkos>retrospectacus: I'm pretty sure it's using xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
20:55<cepkos>how would I check that?
20:55<retrospectacus>cepkos: I'm not sure... Xorg.0.log perhaps
20:55<retrospectacus>TCW: mhmm istr upgrading to squeeze had udev problems.
20:56<SynrG>cepkos: do you have an existing /etc/X11/xorg.conf, or any /etc/modules.d/ change from a prior debian release relating to mouse or touchpad?
20:56<retrospectacus>TCW: talk to dpkgbot about "udev squeeze" and "lenny->squeeze"
20:56<SynrG>cepkos: we should see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a paste ...
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20:57<retrospectacus>TCW: (note that you upgrade the kernel and udev, reboot, then upgrade proper)
20:57<TCW>retrospectacus, already bootet 2.6.32 and now it works. I know about the udev issue, but I just forgot that I did reboot 2.6.25 intentionally to get a working eth0 (e100) to install linux-firmware-nonfree :)
20:57<SynrG>cepkos: likewise, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ... anything there already from the old release to deal with touchpad?
20:58<retrospectacus>TCW: I see
20:58<cepkos>http://pastebin.com/Um7ru9ru
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20:58<TCW>retrospectacus, and I was lazy... one simple dist-upgrade a few buises later, apart from "no net" all was dandy :)
20:58<cepkos>the log even says that three mouse buttons are found
20:59*retrospectacus is out
20:59<TCW>bruises even
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21:01<TCW>damn it, the trackpoint seems to be hardware broken... external mouse works but the trackpoint does not (same as on lenny before)
21:01<cepkos>SynrG: there shouldn't be anything left over, it was a fresh install
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21:01<SynrG>cepkos: ok ...
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21:02<cepkos>SynrG: well there is the 50-synaptics.conf
21:03<SynrG>[ 28.804] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right double triple
21:03<SynrG>^^ no middle there.
21:03<cepkos>that's the touchPad
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21:03<cepkos>look down at the trackpoint
21:03<SynrG>ok. you said synaptics above, so i got the wrong idea
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21:05<TCW>correction... trackpoint buttons do even work, just the trackpoint itself does not move a bit
21:05<SynrG>cepkos: so, does xev report anything when you press the middle button?
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21:06<SynrG>maybe while it sees the button, it maps it incorrectly?
21:06<cepkos>SynrG: no response from xev
21:07<SynrG>btw, it's evdev that handles the trackpoint, not synaptics
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21:08<TCW>ahh... another one with trackpoint issues? :)
21:08<SynrG>is there a bug on xserver-xorg-input-evdev about this?
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21:12<cepkos>SynrG: I don't think so. should I be able to just install an older version and see if it fixes anything?
21:13<james41382>I'm running wheezy with the 3.9 bpo kernel and the / and swp partitions are encrypted. I am not seeing the background (splash) screen when grub loads. I need to figure this out.
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21:14<james41382>I've installed wheezy 4 times and twice it had an image when grub loaded and twice it didn't. very odd.
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21:18<SynrG>cepkos: no
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21:19<SynrG>http://bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg-input-evdev has a handful of bugs about middle mouse button *emulation* but i don't see your issue
21:20<SynrG>(i.e. it has a physical middle button, right?)
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21:20<cepkos>SynrG: yeah it's a physical button, and why shouldn't I just revert the driver?
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21:21<SynrG>revert to what? i thought you just had a fresh install
21:21<SynrG>so there's nothing to revert *to*
21:22<cepkos>SynrG: of course there is, there are older versions of the driver I can install
21:22<SynrG>not within wheezy there aren't. so there's no supported downgrade.
21:22<cepkos>that's why I'm compiling from source and installing
21:23<SynrG>ah, you didn't say you were backporting (at least not recently ...)
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21:23<SynrG>did i miss something in the backlog?
21:23<cepkos>I guess that's what I meant but didn't explain correctly
21:23<cepkos>I don't think I've ever used the phrase backporting
21:24<SynrG>the xorg and kernel are interrelated usually when you have a newer xorg you need a newer kernel ...
21:25<SynrG>the reverse may be true. wheezy kernel and older xorg might not get along
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21:25<SynrG>so even compiling it yourself, you're heading into uncharted territory here.
21:25<SynrG>that's why i asserted you couldn't "simply" install an older version
21:26<SynrG>you can certainly try. but it may be more productive use of your time to find a solution for the existing version
21:26<cepkos>I'm not sure what my next step is though
21:26<SynrG>look upstream for a patch
21:26<cepkos>google hasn't helped me
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21:26<SynrG>look at upstream's bug tracker is the next step
21:28<SynrG>and/or file a bug
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21:38<cepkos>SynrG: I'm going to try the experimental update to see if it fixes anything
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22:36<jakelinux>hello
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23:29<dfell>hiya everyone
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23:53<aidalgol>What should I use instead of grandr (now that it's obsolete)?
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---Logclosed Thu Aug 01 00:00:14 2013