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00:21<micronux>I'm running debian 7.1 with gnome,I want to disable the fallback mode in lockscreen to gnome-shell style.any helpful idea?
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00:28<maxim-ngs>hello all
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00:36<maxim-ngs>debian 6 + LVM + xen it's work , debian 7 + LVM _ xen - not work
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00:43<Supaplex>!don't work
00:43<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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02:59<gorna>hello do you know why Debian uses 022 umask instead of 002 ?
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03:16<gorna>I'm using a computer for my family and I'd like every user cannot read other user's files, is it safe to modify umask in their .bashrc ?
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03:20<themill>!set default umask
03:20<dpkg>methinks set default umask is see -- in short: /etc/login.defs: UMASK 002; /etc/pam.d/common-session: session optional umask=0002; and note gdm has a bug, so /etc/gdm/Xsession: umask 002
03:20<themill>gorna: ^^. You may also like to "/msg dpkg upg" to find more on the user private group idiom
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03:35<gorna>you could tell me that dpkg was Bot
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03:42<Supaplex>gorna: and chmod og= /root /home/*
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03:47<gorna>yes I did chmod 750 -R /home/$user but when I make a new file the 755 is set so I'm following dpg instructions to make it right
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03:58<peter1139>oh, ice1712 still doesn't support suspend/resume :(
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04:03<gorna>ok so I did change the default umask thanks very much
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04:08<phoenix__>does debian stick to one kernel version and does not change the kernel or update it
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04:10<gorna>I'm not sure but I think it sticks to one kernel version and provides security updates if you update your kernel you will not get the security update for the kernel I'm not sure though
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04:11<gnugr>phoenix__:if you are with Debian Stable, you can get newer kernel from backports
04:13<phoenix__>gnugr, no i dont want frequent updates i want a stable system, many other distros keep updating the kernel which i dont want
04:13<phoenix__>gnugr, bcoz it sometimes creates problems with my laptop
04:13<olasd>Debian stable releases follows a stable kernel branch, so you only get bugfixes and the occasional new hardware support
04:14<Rusty>hello, i have an HP laptop with a fresh Debian install. I am looking for the proper driver for my IDT HD audio device. It's a g41215-dx with an AMG Apu. I am not having much luck on hp's site or anywhere else. the Pulse Audio installs, but it's crackly
04:15<stderr>Rusty: Can you give us the relevant line from lspci -nn ?
04:15<phoenix__>rightnow debian uses 3.2.04 kernel
04:15<phoenix__>also if i am installing debian from a netinstall cd roughly how much data gets downloaded ?
04:16<stderr>phoenix__: "Enough".
04:16<stderr>It depends what you decide to install.
04:16<ompaul>phoenix__: that depends on what you choose - desktop (which type) - printer only or web only or database only so you could say its an extensible system
04:16<Rusty>00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller [1022:780d] (rev 01)
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04:17<stderr>pciid 1022:780d
04:17<stderr>judd: pciid 1022:780d
04:17<judd>[1022:780d] is 'FCH Azalia Controller' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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04:18<stderr>Rusty: ^
04:18<phoenix__>stderr, install on laptop for home/ office use
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04:21<ompaul>phoenix__: let me ask you a better question - how much room did you give your install?
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04:21<Rusty>It says it works, I don't see a driver, would it be in synaptics?
04:22<Rusty>I;m kinda new at this
04:22<stderr>Rusty: "... with kernel modules 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel' ..."
04:22<stderr>Check lsmod if those modules are loaded.
04:23<blubberdiblub>stderr, which Rusty most probably has, as far as i understood, his problem is the crackling, not the complete absence of sound
04:24<stderr>Oh, I hadn't notice... Sorry.
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04:25<Rusty>i don't see AHCI anywhere
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04:26<stderr>You could try: lsmod | grep ahci
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04:26<stderr>If it's not there, "modprobe ahci" as root.
04:27<stderr>Not sure if it will solve the problem, but at least it shouldn't make it worse. :-/
04:28<blubberdiblub>i wonder what AHCI has to do with sound. maybe the author of the factoid meant ACPI instead?
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04:29<Rusty>thank you brb
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04:30<stderr>blubberdiblub: I think those are more or less auto-generated, but yeah, it does sound odd.
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04:33<blubberdiblub>maybe the mentioned controller is responsible for both sound and hard drives
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04:37<Rusty>hello again, well it still crackles when it is booting and shutting down and when the DVD first starts up
04:37<yashwant>hi in debian ifconfig command is not working, what is the solution for that.
04:37<yashwant>most of the command is not detecting in dbian 7 wheezy.
04:38<Rusty>once everything is going it seems okay
04:38<Rusty>is this normal?
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04:39<Rusty>windows iworks normally
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04:39<valdyn>yashwant: why would you think that ifconfig is not working?
04:39<babilen>yashwant: Which command exactly and what exactly happens? ("not working" is a *very* vague error description) -- That being said you should use ip anyway.
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04:40<babilen>yashwant: See for more information on ifconfig vs iproute2
04:41<phoenix__>babilen, hi if i select the desktop environment in the net install cd will it download gnome
04:41<Rusty>I am dual booting if that makes a difference
04:42<babilen>phoenix__: yes it will
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04:42<babilen>phoenix__: Are you actually asking me how to change that or was that really meant as the factual statement that it is?
04:42<phoenix__>babilen, and if i stop the download in between then?
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04:43<babilen>phoenix__: Inbetween what?
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04:48<yashwant><babilen>: sorry actually I was not in root and I was using ifconfig, but at least it should give an error u r not in root,
04:49<micronux>hey guys,I'm running debian 7.1with gnome and I want to disable fallback mode of lockscreen to gnome-shell style,any useful ideas?
04:51<babilen>yashwant: It is "you are" ;) -- ifconfig can be called as normal user just fine for certain things. I would still recommend to use ip in lieu of it though.
04:51<babilen>micronux: You want to get rid of the fallback mode so people cannot use that anymore?
04:52<babilen>micronux: Just remove gnome-session-fallback and you should be fine
04:52<babilen>.oO( I think I don't quite understand your question. What exactly is "fallback mode of lockscreen" and what does it mean to disable that? )
04:53<babilen>let alone to disable something to something else :)
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05:18<micronux>babilen:I mean the fallback theme,it's ugly.and uninstall it will broken the dependence
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05:20<babilen>micronux: Don't use it if you find it ugly then? Which dependencies are broken if you remove the gnome-session-fallback package?
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05:27<grandie>hi, where can i get an overview on all the programs running on my system and how can i shutdown those that are not needed to keep them from being started again in a new boot
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05:31<Nirgal>grandie: update-rc.d maybe?
05:31<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>.
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05:38<grandie>Nirgal: thanks, still learning all these wonderful debian methods and find more to ask questions on as i progress
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05:43<babilen>grandie: Why did you install services that you don't want to run?
05:43<babilen>dpkg: tell grandie -about disable service
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05:44<micronux>babilen: gnome gnome-core task-gnome-desktop
05:44<micronux>will be remove
05:45<babilen>micronux: You can easily run "apt-mark manual gnome-core" to prevent that from happening, but why don't you simply not use the fallback mode if you don't like it?
05:45<grandie>babilen: i didn't when i upgraded my lxde wheezy to testing i got a lot of junk "gnome desktops" and other stuff now i want to see what running that i don't need
05:47<babilen>grandie: Did you report that as a bug?
05:48<grandie>no sir, i'm so new to this i thought it was doing what is was setup to do
05:49<grandie>babilen: i know that blue-tooth and other things have been started and i don't have anything like that
05:50<babilen>Well, gnome should not be installed on a system that was installed with LXDE -- I've heard it multiple times now, but none of the users could provide actual output or came here early enough to investigate the situation. Well, the other two had already removed/purged/marked as auto/manualy packages and we couldn't figure out what caused this behaviour in the first place
05:52<grandie>babilen: as i said i'm new to a lot of this and used aptitude and searched for gnome and started removing all the junk i did not want, sorry i can't be of better service at this time
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05:53<babilen>grandie: yeah, fair enough. It *seems* to be a bug and I would like to see it filed, but I haven't had the time to investigate it personally and none of the users who encountered it reported it or came here early enough.
05:54<babilen>grandie: Are you sure that running testing is a good idea if you are that new to Debian btw?
05:56<Nirgal><troll>This is a gnome conspiracy to steel LXDE regular users</troll>
05:56<grandie>babilen: got to start somewhere, i've got a machine with 3 hard drives with debian on all 3 trying to get a better handle on how things work, as an old fart i got to start big
05:57<babilen>grandie: Sure - I would recommend to idle in #debian-next where we support testing/unstable and to read make sure you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed
05:58<grandie>babilen: that's nice to know and i see your name there as well, thanks again and see you on next
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07:44<apostle>morning...I had a big problem last night mounting my 750 GB EXT2 filesystem
07:44<apostle> the summary is in this pastebin
07:44<apostle>I was able to see the correct numbers last night in df -h
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07:44*abrotman hides
07:44<apostle>Does anybody know exact command I should use to fsck the file with a back up superblock
07:46<SynrG>did you check the smart status of the drive with smartctl? (from smartmontools)
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07:47<blast007>apostle: like I had mentioned, you might be better off just going with professional data recovery.. the more you mess with the drive at random, the lower the chance of recovery
07:47<SynrG>apostle: well, man e2fsck?
07:48<babilen>I typically recommend to not mess with the actual drive/filesystem in question but with a copy of an image.
07:48<apostle>blast007, thanks I have a back up drive from January 2013 with whole image
07:48<apostle>still missing 6 months but no as much of a disaster if I did not have that drive imaged
07:49<babilen>apostle: You can, as you already did, specify alternative superblocks with "-b SUPERBLOCK". You can also mount with a different superblock if you run, say, "mount sb=SUPERBLOCK ..."
07:49<apostle>thanks for all your instructions
07:49<apostle>I will try this
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07:51<Senor>why debian has no debug pkg ,which is needed by systamtap?
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07:55<Senor>where do I can get debian kernel debug info packet?
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08:50<Guest2292>breaking bad
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08:53<devil>Guest2292: debian? I doubt that ;)
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08:56<SynrG>or was that a tv show recommendation?
08:57<themill>Senor: there are debug packages for all debian kernel packages. «aptitude search ~nlinux-image~ndbg»
08:58<Senor>what does 'n' represent here?
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08:58<themill>dpkg: tell Senor about aptitude search
08:58<themill>package name
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09:02<Senor>How do I get to know what is 'n' for my kernel?
09:03<nevyn>Senor:'s part of the search pattern it's a literal
09:04<nevyn>Senor: it means search for packages with name matching "string"
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09:10<Senor>how do I get the literal string?
09:10<Senor>uname -r?
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09:12<themill>Senor: did you run that command yet?
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09:16<nevyn>Senor: you input it as a literal
09:16<themill>Senor: this is a copy+paste job
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09:18<Senor>ok , I get p linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686-dbg - Debugging infos for Linux 2.6.32-5-xen-686
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09:18<Senor>is this suitable for my kernel?
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09:31<nevyn>Senor: what is your kernel
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09:32<Senor>but what is xen there?
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10:44<RalfJ>is there a way to configure sshd to allow only logins from a certain UID range? I have root logins disabled, but actually I'd like to disable logins for all UIDs up to 999
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10:59<wompa>RalfJ, I don't think numerical IDs are recognized by sshd, only usernames. You can white- & blacklist with some keywords in sshd_config: AllowUsers AllowGroups DenyUsers DenyGroups
11:00<RalfJ>wompa: I see... however, I'd prefer not to update the list every time I add a new user which *is* allowed to log in
11:00<RalfJ>but I think Ill go with this if there is no other way
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11:01<themill>You can require membership of a group "sshlogin" or similar -- that way your sshd_config doesn't change
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11:02<wm4>GTK is STILL slow as fuck on debian with nvidia drivers - why is this shit not getting fixed?
11:02<wm4>it's a 3 line patch
11:02<wm4>a well known issue for years
11:02<wm4>and won't fix itself
11:03<wm4>no matter how much you think nvidia are assholes that should commit suicide
11:03<themill>wm4: and ban evading isn't cool
11:03<wompa>RalfJ, there is no strict standard of userids, Fedora's first user is 500 (if it hasn't changed since I last tried Fedora)
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11:03<wm4>themill: I was told this is the official server
11:03<wm4>so I direct my complaints here
11:03<RalfJ>wompa: sure, but I know the userIDs of my systenm, so Iw ant to configure sshd appropriately
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11:03<RalfJ>I imagine some option like "MinAllowedUID", or "AllowUIDRange", or whatever
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11:04<RalfJ>themill: I'll consider this, though it still requires me to remember this extra step for when I add such a user the next time ;-)
11:05<themill>RalfJ: you can add that to EXTRA_GROUPS in /etc/adduser.conf
11:06<themill>(but yes, it's an extra thing that is easy to forget)
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11:06<ayaka>I have a problem with file associations in debian, as I don't have /usr/share/applications/defaults.list , but how does /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache make applications order?
11:06<RalfJ>themill: interesting, I wasnt even aware adduser has a config file. thanks :)
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11:07<ayaka>then I create /usr/share/applications/defaults.list, and update-desktop-database, but the cache doesn't change
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11:28<ayaka>or could you tell me more about file associations in debian
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11:59<Sammy123>hey there
11:59<Sammy123>I'd like to back up the three first partitions on a hard drive including the partition table
12:00<Sammy123>how can I do that? It's a GPT which I'm not so familiar with
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12:05<sney>Sammy123: figure out what sector the third partition ends at and dd that much of the disk to a file?
12:05<Sammy123>sney: If that works, I'm glad :)
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12:12<kanliot>sgdisk will allow you to copy parition talbes according to sgdisk Sammy123
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12:12<Sammy123>I'm very limited on the tools I can use, since I'm on lenny on that machine
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12:13<kanliot>you can reboot
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12:14<Sammy123>It's an external hard drive with a little linux on it, the only interface besides power is 1GB ethern
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12:15<Sammy123>Well, yes, I can reboot, but I'd like to modify the system as little as possible before backing it up, to keep it in the factory state until it is backed up
12:15<Sammy123>I'm currently investigating the dd route further
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12:21<Sammy123>if I specify bs=512, then that's considered to be the BLOCKSIZE, right?
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12:22<Sammy123>meaning, if I want to copy x Bytes with dd and I specify bs=512, then I need to specify count=$(exec x/512), right?
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12:24<babilen>Sammy123: Yes, but use dcfldd in lieu of dd for super cow powers!
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12:25<Sammy123>not available ;)
12:25<babilen>Sammy123: I would, however, recommend to simply use gdisk to create a backup of the partition data. (It's the "b" option IIRC)
12:26<babilen>Sammy123: dcfldd is in Debian, what do you mean by "not available" ?
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12:26<Sammy123>it's my borked external network harddrive with that borked lenny on it
12:26<Sammy123>I guess the lenny is mixed with squeeze because of GPT support -.-
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12:28<babilen>Sammy123: Or run "sgdisk -b sda-partitions.gpt /dev/sda" or something along those lines -- I am not sure if we can support that system though.
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12:28<Sammy123>babilen: I'm just asking you to do what you already do - throw out ideas :)
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12:29<Sammy123>I'm going to do a backup with dd, and then I'll risk doing another one with dcfldd after having installed it
12:29<babilen>Sammy123: Well, I am *extremely* disappointed whenever I realise that I am helping someone who is not a Debian user or is using some weird system that is based on Debian.
12:29<Sammy123>also, I'll look whether I can find sgdisk
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12:29<babilen>Sammy123: Use sgdisk ffs, it was developed for that task.
12:30<Sammy123>babilen: I'm sorry ...
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12:31<Sammy123>babilen: I'm *trying* to make it a proper debian, and not some mutated thing
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12:34<babilen>try harder ;)
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12:39<Sammy123>My first problem was even having only outdated keys for the package archives - had to manually get and add them
12:43*abrotman looks, decides he probably doesn't want to get involved
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12:45<McClane>I have a problem streaming urls
12:46<McClane>i'm getting could not determine type of stream
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12:47<gluesniffmonkey>Trying to build Hotot on Wheezy. I get this error: CMake Error: The source directory "/home/username" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
12:48<gluesniffmonkey>Following this tutorial:
12:48<gluesniffmonkey>What is the likely problem?
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12:50<abrotman>McClane: you might want to say which player you're using
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12:50<babilen>McClane: You really have to provide more details. Which program do you use? Which version of that program? Content from which URL are you trying to stream? Also paste the *exact* output to
12:50<McClane>i can stream on vlc but not on rhythbox, or totem
12:50<babilen>So you can stream?
12:51<McClane>i can on vlc only
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12:52<babilen>Okay, I guess that you are missing the correct gstreamer plugin for the media, but then .. why not just use vlc?
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12:54<ompaul>time's up :)
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12:55<McClane>babilen, rhythmbox is my favourite and it worked before, just stop working
12:55<babilen>before what?
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12:56<McClane>i installed pidgin libnotify
12:56<babilen>McClane: Which version of rhythmbox is that exactly? (e.g. "dpkg -l '*rhythmbox*' 'gstreamer*'" → )
12:56<babilen>McClane: So it stopped working after you installed libnotify?
12:57<babilen>Please paste your /var/log/apt/history.log too
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12:58<babilen>McClane: fwiw, works fine here (but music is bad)
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13:00<McClane>i can't paste my apt log history
13:00<McClane>it's too large
13:01<babilen>McClane: Paste it to or ?
13:01<babilen>McClane: Oh, and please make that: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*rhythmbox*' 'gstreamer*'
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13:03<babilen>dpkg: solusos
13:03<dpkg>babilen: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
13:04<babilen>McClane: This does not seem to be Debian -- Please contact your distribution (SolusOS) for support as we only support *pure* Debian systems in here for a number of social and technical reasons.
13:05<McClane>ok thank you
13:05<babilen>McClane: fwiw, take a look at line 1939 and thereafter if you want to solve this yourself. Have a good day and consider running Debian if you want support in our channels.
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13:05<abrotman>dpkg: SolusOS is <based on Debian>. Please see for support options.
13:05<dpkg>abrotman: okay
13:05<babilen>abrotman: thanks
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13:42<Glanzmann>Hello; I have a debiwn wheezy (7) which does not detect automatically software raid devices that I have manually crated. what do I need to do to let it detect them automatically?
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13:44<ompaul>Glanzmann: you made this raid with some other system?
13:45<Glanzmann>But I think, I just have the output of RRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 name=apache-04:0 UUID=f72ae86b:85b519d1:4e323f1b:b402be86
13:45<Glanzmann>ARRAY /dev/md3 metadata=1.2 name=apache-04:3 UUID=81896609:f0c06b4a:44ad41ce:e2e08073
13:45<Glanzmann>ARRAY /dev/md2 metadata=1.2 name=apache-04:2 UUID=5b8353e2:aecf0bbd:d0c8963c:6970ab58
13:45<Glanzmann>ARRAY /dev/md1 metadata=1.2 name=apache-04:1 UUID=41cbd4c1:f2ecff2b:e7dc651c:fa0ce475
13:45<Glanzmann>mdadm --detail --scan to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf?
13:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
13:45<Glanzmann>ompaul: That was a accident.
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13:46<Glanzmann>Okay, that worked.
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13:47<ompaul>mdadm --assemble md-device component-devices
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13:47<ompaul>xubuntu: you have a debian question?
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13:48<Sammy123>ompaul: That mistrust! Right there!
13:48<Glanzmann>ompaul: Yes, I did that already.
13:48<ompaul>Sammy123: your point?
13:48<Glanzmann>But I jsut tried, adding the lines to mdadm.conf worked for me.
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13:48<ompaul>Glanzmann: cool
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13:49<ompaul>Sammy123: assumptions make mistakes
13:49<Sammy123>ompaul: Sorry, that was a joke. If such things are not wanted here, I'll try to hold myself back :P
13:50<ompaul>there is no try, only do :P
13:50<babilen>Sammy123: Join #debian-offtopic if you want to chat
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13:51<Sammy123>We're all serious here? Ok ...
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14:11<f85329>Hi to all. I have some troubles with making php work on the apache server. I use Jessie. I did apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-common && a2enmod php5 && service apache2 restart && echo '<?phpinfo();?>' > /var/www/1.php && chown www-data:www-data /var/www/1.php && chmod a+x 1.php && firefox localhost/1.php . But it's still not working. Where i need to start from?
14:11<abrotman>f85329: how isn't it working?
14:12<f85329>i give a text file as is
14:12<abrotman>did you try using wget instead?
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14:13<f85329>the same
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14:14<f85329>the problem is not on client side. apache doesn't want to give php to execute a script. it takes script as a plain text.
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14:16<abrotman>!php wants me to download still
14:16<dpkg>The usual problem is browser caching of content, clear the browser cache and restart it. Verify it's a problem outside of the browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as many common problems are addressed. Since squeeze, mod_php is disabled in userdirs, see php*-common/NEWS.Debian.gz.
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14:17<james41382>I am receiving an error ( when trying to access my external usb drive with nautilus, but i am able to access my other ntfs partitions fine after authenticating. Any ideas?
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14:28<f85329>there is problem in identifying a file as php script. what I got: telnet localhost 80
14:28<f85329>Trying ::1...
14:28<f85329>Connected to localhost.
14:28<f85329>Escape character is '^]'.
14:28<f85329>HEAD /1.php HTTP/1.1
14:28<f85329>HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
14:29<f85329>Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 18:23:50 GMT
14:29<f85329>Server: Apache/2.4.6 (Debian)
14:29<f85329>Connection: close
14:29<f85329>Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
14:29<f85329>Connection closed by foreign host.
14:29<f85329> connection type mus be application/x-httpd-php. /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf says:
14:29<abrotman>we have a pastebin for that ...
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14:29<f85329><FilesMatch ".+\.ph(p[345]?|t|tml)$">
14:29<f85329> SetHandler application/x-httpd-php
14:29<f85329>does anyone have working apache2+php on testing?
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14:29<f85329>ohh shiii
14:29<abrotman>you know, the one referenced in /topic
14:29<Sammy123>Reminder: IRC does not know line breaks.
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14:32<sergy>Greeting to everybody. Maybe this is a dumb question but here it is: Lets say I leave in place where no ethernet provided internet is available. The only way internet is provided is WPA2 wireless network. I have Debian 6 installed and I connect to the wireless network with wpa_supplicant. Will it be able for me to install the Wheezy with network install usb-stick?
14:32<f85329>I didn't set "Host:" field and got '400 bad request' but even with it apache gives text/html
14:33<SamB>sergy: I don't know, but you SHOULD be able to just upgrade your existing install
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14:33<SamB>though I would certainly recommend backing up first
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14:34<chealer_>f85329: yes
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14:34<sergy>SamB: I'm know that Ican upgrade the system. But how about clean installation from network?
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14:35<abrotman>!tell sergy about firmware installer
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14:35<DrZaius>hi, i want to have wicd installed (wifi only works with it) but not autorun by default (i most of the time run with cable fine)
14:36<DrZaius>i tried to disable /etc/default/wicd
14:36<DrZaius>but i thinks thats only the daemon
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14:37<sergy>abrotman: thanks for the hint
14:37<DrZaius>does anybody know what do i have to touch to disable autorun of anything wicd related?
14:39<chealer_>f85329: PHP files are recognized based on their contents. try echo -e '<?php\nphpinfo();\n?>' > /var/www/testphp.php; instead
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14:40<chealer>sergy: if you're concerned about WPA, that should no longer be a problem with wheezy. if there's an issue, it should be with the driver
14:41<f85329>chealer_: It works. :) thanks.
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14:45<sergy>chealer: thanks. I'll try it.
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14:53<chealer>f85329: my pleasure. see NEWS.Debian for 5.5.0~beta4-2
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14:56<Sammy123>Somebody told me I could backup the partition content with sgdisk as well. However, I cannot see that from the options. What am I missing?
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14:57<fcrs>my gnome3 session suddenly developed a lot of display artifacts which keep shifting around (it's virtually unusable), console mode works fine, i tried restarting slim and Xorg but they persist, any ideas? bad video card?
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15:02<Celelibi>Is there a tool in the installer to check the disk health?
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15:03<Celelibi>I'd like to build a RAID directly on the disks and it appear that one of my disks produce some errors in dmesg.
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15:04<chealer>Celelibi: no
15:04<fcrs>Celelibi: badblocks and smartmontools are two i'm aware of, don't know about getting access to them in the installer though, you could use a livecd
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15:06<Celelibi>Is there a kind of in-RAM netinstall that I could boot via PXE? :D
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15:07<Celelibi>A kind of livecd without a cd.
15:07<Sammy123>USB :P
15:07<Celelibi>And without a full ISO on my tftp.
15:07<mc68040>Celelibi: yes
15:11<mc68040>Celelibi: see
15:11<dpkg>i guess netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst>. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>.
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15:15<chealer>dpkg: no, netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. - Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst>. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>.
15:15<dpkg>okay, chealer
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15:24<Celelibi>mc68040, chealer: I already have a PXE boot netinstall.
15:25<Celelibi>The installing environment is quite poor (no smartctl for instance).
15:25<Celelibi>And I can't make a proper install because of some disk-errors.
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15:27<mc68040>Celelibi: you can boot a live cd via PXE too (i prefer grml), there you have all testing tools
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15:29<Celelibi>Yes but I will have to put the full ISO on my tftp, right?
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15:29<Celelibi>I only have 500M available.
15:30<mc68040>Celelibi: well, my setup works with nfsroot
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15:31<mc68040>Celelibi: so the nfs server can be anywhere in LAN, and needs around of 800MB space for iso
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15:33<Celelibi>Well, the whole purpose of this new machine was to make a NAS to free a lot of space on my other machines. :p
15:33<Celelibi>But I think I can find 800MB.
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15:34<mc68040>Celelibi: i just checked... grml-full iso is around 350MB
15:36<Celelibi>Ok, nice.
15:39<Celelibi>I'll start with grml-small.
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15:39<Celelibi>I guess I can install whatever I want from there.
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15:54<Sammy123>are there archives for the security updates or are they integrated in the default archives?
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15:59<Sammy123>darnit, I thought I had it
15:59<Sammy123>but I'm lost again
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16:01<Sammy123>nvm again.
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16:48<apostle>working on trying to recovery data on ext2 file system 750 Gig
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16:49<apostle>ran e2fsck -b 163840 /dev/sdc5
16:49<apostle>there are 5589 blocks in the partition
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16:50<apostle>free blocks counted in correct
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16:50<apostle>and free inodes counted incorrect
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17:05<Sammy123>E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of.
17:06<Sammy123>I've never seen *that* before ...
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17:16<stderr>Sammy123: Sounds like your sources.list is broken. Can you put it on
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17:17<Sammy123>stderr: I had wheezy, squeeze and lenny for debugging purposes in the sources.list at the same time
17:17<Sammy123>stderr: after removing lenny, it works again
17:17<Sammy123>it's a very old apt as well
17:17<stderr>It's not a very good idea to mix releases like that.
17:18<Sammy123>stderr: I know. The releases are mixed by the manufacturer, and I wanted to know which packages are added by the manufacturer manually
17:19<stderr>"The manufacturer"?
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17:20<Sammy123>stderr: Western Digital, I'm working on making the Debian on a MyBook Live external network harddrive a clean wheezy - as clean as it gets, at least
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17:21<Sammy123>However, I'm thinking about just killing everything and putting a clean wheezy directly on it
17:22<Sammy123>I just don't know how to do that on a device on which I have only a network interface as method of interaction
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17:24<stderr>I didn't even know it was running Debian. Cool.
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17:25<Sammy123>stderr: Well, sadly you hardly can call it a Debian - in the latest firmware version, /etc/debian_version says 5.0.0, but in sources.list are squeeze AND wheezy
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17:26<Sammy123>stderr: A lot of packages "can" be updated, but a local package wd-nas has claimed apt for itself, so apt refuses to update apt
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17:31<TorpedoSkyline>hey guys, new to Debian. I'm running Wheezy and installed from the DVD image. When I run apt-get upgrade, it says there are NO updates. Fresh install, already did apt-get update. What's going on?
17:31<TorpedoSkyline>also, I added backports and then tried. Still no luck.
17:32<Sammy123>what are you trying to do?
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17:33<other_nick-37>Hy. My lxde desktop stop apearing; I can't find any recent update that would do this. (using wheezy)
17:33<TorpedoSkyline>Sammy123, just update the system.
17:33<TorpedoSkyline>Sammy123, I also want to install the latest version of Minetest, so I'm wondering if I made the right choice by installing stable
17:33<devil>TorpedoSkyline: did you do an initial apt-get update?
17:33<TorpedoSkyline>devil, yes
17:34<devil>TorpedoSkyline: pastebin, whar apt says
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17:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
17:34<TorpedoSkyline>successful, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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17:34<Sammy123>what does apt-get update say?
17:35<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: Maybe there are no upgrades? Please also paste your sources.list
17:35<TorpedoSkyline> <-- results
17:35<TorpedoSkyline>a sec, getting sources.list
17:35<TorpedoSkyline>maybe it is fully updated, I'd just be surprised
17:35<devil>TorpedoSkyline: all seems fine
17:36<Celelibi>Now I know my brand new HDD is defective. :(
17:36<TorpedoSkyline>ok, I guess I was just expecting them from stable.
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17:36<Celelibi>Do you know if I can still install my system on a RAID1 and then upgrade it to a RAID5?
17:36<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: Looks alright so far .. I mean I can take a look at your sources.list, but the update run looks quite fine.
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17:37<Sammy123>Celelibi: most HDD fail in the first 6 months, most of those in the first 2 weeks
17:37<TorpedoSkyline>ok one more question. I'm a web dev, and I've used Linux for a few years. I installed stable because I need my machine to run well and not crash unexpectedly making me spend time recovering it. But these packages seem old...
17:37<Celelibi>This one failed in the first 24 hours.
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17:38<Sammy123>Celelibi: Warranty?
17:38<Celelibi>Actually I guess it have been shaked during transportation.
17:38<Celelibi>I'm checking right now.
17:38<TorpedoSkyline>favorite game, minetest, is on like 3.1 in the stable repos where it's 4.7 in sid's. What should I expect from unstable and should I use unstable or testing?
17:38<Sammy123>Celelibi: That shouldn't do so much harm anymore
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17:38<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: Why don't you stay on stable?
17:38<babilen>judd: checkbackport minetest
17:38<TorpedoSkyline>babilen, the packages are really old..
17:39<judd>Backporting package minetest in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libluajit-5.1-dev.
17:39<Sammy123>TorpedoSkyline: If you really want a stable system, use stable. Testing is pretty stable once it's in the freeze-phase, but currently ...
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17:39<babilen>dpkg: tell TorpedoSkyline -about wheezy->jessie
17:40<TorpedoSkyline>yeah minetest is still 3.1 in backports
17:40<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: Feel free to do what you want (minetest is a bit harder to backport yourself (cf. /msg dpkg ssb)) - You should probably read and think about your setup (e.g. "Do I want '/msg dpkg tum'" ?)
17:41<TorpedoSkyline>babilen, so with that, what's the difference between jessie and sid?
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17:41<babilen>testing/unstable aren't that easy to run, but you probably know that already.
17:41<Sammy123>Okay, I believe my borked lenny-squeeze-wheezy-mutation is not really to be rescue-able.
17:42<Sammy123>TorpedoSkyline: Usually, packages are a few weeks in unstable until they make it to testing
17:42<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: What does "that" refer to? The difference between jessie and sid is .. well ... they are different releases. Read the wiki page and to learn about releases and how they are used in Debian.
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17:43<TorpedoSkyline>hmm ok. Thanks Sammy123 and babilen. I don't want to have to worry about stability that much. A day of a down system is a day without getting paid.
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17:43<TorpedoSkyline>So is it possible to install one package from sid and keep the rest of the machine stable? or really bad idea? =P
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17:44<Sammy123>TorpedoSkyline: That's generally dangerous, but depends on the package
17:44<TorpedoSkyline>ok. I guess I can just be a man and compile minetest.
17:45<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: You should *never* mix stable with anything but backports. I told you how to backport packages yourself and you can see from our bots output earlier that you have to backport (and install) libluajit-5.1-dev first. Haven't checked the build dependencies of that yet.
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17:45<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: In case you didn't pick up on the "how to backport packages yourself" -- I am referring to the <ssb> factoid in our bots database. (/msg dpkg ssb)
17:46<babilen>judd: checkbackport libluajit-5.1-dev
17:46<judd>Backporting package libluajit-5.1-dev in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
17:46<TorpedoSkyline>ah ok, I didn't see that message. Thanks babilen
17:46<babilen>Shouldn't be too hard.
17:46<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: It is the message that started with: "Feel free to do what you want" which was sent at 22:40:24 BST
17:47<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: Any other packages you might want to upgrade? A common request is that for newer Iceweasel packages and you can find those on
17:48<TorpedoSkyline>ah I got it. Thanks babilen
17:48<babilen>TorpedoSkyline: I am not saying that running testing is a really bad idea, but that system really wouldn't be stable (stable in Debian means "not changing" and has nothing to do with "usable" btw) in the sense you think of. (usable that is)
17:48<Sammy123>On my external network harddrive, I have a system that runs. I would like to put wheezy in it's place. How do I do that, seeing I don't have a USB slot or an optical disk drive on the machine?
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17:49<babilen>Sammy123: PXE netboot or contact the vendor to reimage it.
17:49<Sammy123>PXE netboot it is then
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17:50<babilen>Sammy123: Frankly, I would be surprised if it is supported. You could also (de)bootstrap a wheezy system from the currently running system.
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17:50<Sammy123>it's a little powerpc platform, nothing too special I believe
17:50<babilen>Sammy123: And then you still have to preseed the installer and all that. I mean see if you can do it, but it will be, well, quite an interesting project.
17:51<babilen>Sammy123: Not every nick support PXE boot - that is what I meant.
17:51<Sammy123>babilen: nick?
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17:51<babilen>*NIC (oh dear)
17:51<Sammy123>babilen: Ah, I see.
17:52<Sammy123>babilen: Well, in case I brick the system, I have to partially destroy the case, which is why I waited until after the warranty was over ;)
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17:52<Sammy123>babilen: What do you mean with (de)bootstrap?
17:52<babilen>dpkg: tell Sammy123 about debootstrap
17:53<Sammy123>hm, this looks easier
17:53<babilen>I guess that is easier than setting up a DHCP/TFTP server from scratch and configuring the preseeding.
17:53<Sammy123>debootstrap, I mean
17:54<babilen>whatever rocks your boat, setting up a netboot environment is an interesting project in itself.
17:55<Sammy123>babilen: At my working speed, it'd probably take me a month
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17:55<SamB>if debootstrap takes a month, file a bug
17:56<ghostnik11>I am having problems trying to get a usb seen
17:56<Sammy123>SamB: I'm just so slow in reading everything, finding stuff out etc.
17:56<ghostnik11>but can't
17:57<SamB>Sammy123: yeah ;-)
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17:57<Diwoka>Hi all
17:58<TorpedoSkyline>so when I backport minetest, can I give it to the backports repo?
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17:58<Sammy123>!tell TorpedoSkyline packaging
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17:59<Sammy123>!tell TorpedoSkyline about packaging
17:59<TorpedoSkyline>thanks Sammy123
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18:00<Sammy123>TorpedoSkyline: I wanted to become a packager myself, but I believe I still have to learn a lot of stuff
18:00<abrotman>TorpedoSkyline: probably not .. i think they prefer the actual maintainer do it because it's more maintenance3
18:00<TorpedoSkyline>ah ok
18:01<ghostnik11>its a portable hard drive and won't show up
18:01<Sammy123>ghostnik11: What do you mean with "it won't show up"? Where does it not show up?
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18:02<Diwoka>sorry i have a problem i don t find teamspeak-server paquet on whezzy
18:03<Sammy123>Can I move an entire system from a subfolder to root?
18:03<ghostnik11>Sammy123, its shown as mounted but won't show up
18:03<Sammy123>While it is running?
18:03<Sammy123>ghostnik11: Where does it not show up?
18:04<Sammy123>ghostnik11: In your file browseR?
18:04<ghostnik11>it doesn't show up in file browser
18:04<babilen>dpkg: tell Diwoka about teamspeak
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18:05<ghostnik11>Sammy123, it doesn't show up in file browser
18:06<Sammy123>ghostnik11: Please paste the output of "$ mount" to pastebin
18:07<ghostnik11>Sammy123, okay one sec
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18:07<Sammy123>I love dpkg :)
18:09<ghostnik11>Sammy123, for mount i would have to use lsusb
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18:09<Sammy123>Somebody help, I don't understand anymore
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18:16<Sammy123>ghostnik11: What do you mean with "i would have to use lsusb"?
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18:17<TorpedoSkyline>ok, next question. I added the deb-src of sid to my sources.list so I can do the backport of minetest. Running apt-get build-dep libluakit-5.1-dev reports that it can't find a source packages. Already did apt-get update. Ideas?
18:18<Diwoka>babilen: i know teamspeak-server exist but when i try to find it he don t exist on my debian
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18:18<TorpedoSkyline>^-- my sources.list
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18:19<Sammy123>Diwoka: Paste your sources.list like TorpedoSkyline did.
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18:19<Guest2328>what is the bodhi linux channel?
18:20<Diwoka>my source list
18:20<abrotman>Guest2328: #bodhilinux on
18:20<ghostnik11>sasl freenode
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18:23<Sammy123>Diwoka: What does "$ aptitude show teamspeak-server" say?
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18:24<Diwoka>Sammy123: unable to locate
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18:24<damian>anyone know how i can change my dedicated video ram without bios?
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18:26<Sammy123>Diwoka: You did run "$ apt-get update" after changing your sources?
18:26<Diwoka>aptitude update
18:27<Sammy123>should be sufficient
18:27<Diwoka>i find only teamspeak-client
18:28<Sammy123>Diwoka: aptitude search 'teamspeak*'
18:28<Sammy123>Diwoka: Sorry, $ aptitude search teamspeak
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18:28<Diwoka>only teamspeak-client
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18:30<Sammy123>which architecture do you work on?
18:30<Diwoka>uname -r ? cmd for find architecture right >
18:30<Sammy123>Diwoka: teamspeak-server is a i386 only pacakge
18:31<Sammy123>Diwoka: for example
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18:31<Diwoka>oki it s necessary i force i386
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18:31<Sammy123>I guess you need to activate multiarch
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18:32<Sammy123>!tell Diwoka about multiarch
18:33<Diwoka>thk a lot i ask you
18:33<babilen>Diwoka: Did you read the message our bot send you?
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18:34<Sammy123>I'm still trying to figure out how I get my debootstrapped system to the right place afterwards
18:35<Diwoka>Sammy123: thk a lot sammy work
18:35<Sammy123>Diwoka: Good to hear
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18:37<Sammy123>How can I move an installed system (a) in a subfolder of another system (b) to replace the other system (b)?
18:37<Diwoka>with a another systen
18:38<Diwoka>you connect two disk
18:38<Diwoka>in slave mode
18:38<Diwoka>and you swap data
18:38<abrotman>not how it works
18:38<Sammy123>Diwoka: That won't work, because it's a fixed system and my only access is a network interface
18:38<abrotman>Sammy123: did you read the debootstrap docs? it explains how to do this
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18:39<abrotman>and it's nothing like what Diwoka said
18:39<Sammy123>abrotman: I'm sorry, I got to the part where it says "make another partition" and I thought "damn it, I can't make another partition".
18:39<abrotman>Sammy123: why are you doing all of this?
18:40<Sammy123>abrotman: I'm trying to make the debian system within the external drive useful.
18:40<Sammy123>abrotman: Mainly it is supposed to take care of encryption, but I also want to get rid of the need of using samba
18:41<babilen>Sammy123: Some people would argue that you should just get yourself on a better supported "plug" system.
18:41<Sammy123>You mean, buy different hardware?
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18:43<Sammy123>babilen: Well, that's an argument you can bring in any discussion ...
18:44<babilen>Sammy123: Please realise that there is very little we can do if your hardware simply doesn't support *anything* that would be considered normal for a Debian system. And no, we cannot support every single device which has some bastardized Debian on it.
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18:45<Sammy123>babilen: Right now I see that thing as a normal machine that has limited access to it and luckily a system with which I can take steps to install a system I want.
18:46<Sammy123>babilen: If the hardware is not supported, then I'm out of look, I realize that, and I will definitely not demand that you help me get drivers if they're missing.
18:48<Sammy123>babilen: I mean, I already dropped the hope to fix the system ...
18:49<Celelibi>Do you think it's a good idea to put the whole system on a RAID5?
18:49<Diwoka>cya all
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18:49<Celelibi>including kernel and stuff.
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18:51<Celelibi>Because that mean I won't be able to stop the array if I want to transform it to another level of RAID.
18:52<Sammy123>If you feel the entirety of this experiment should not be supported here, please say so. I'd rather get no advise than offend you helpful people.
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19:23<TorpedoSkyline>hey guys, I'm having this issue where my USB mouse is disabled while I'm typing. Where do you fix that?
19:25<TorpedoSkyline>great for typing, terrible for gaming
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19:30<TorpedoSkyline>never mind, figured it out. mouseemu package is it.
19:32<apostle>does anybody know how to check superblocks to see if the information is different in an ext2 file system?
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19:33<devil>apostle: testdisk should do that, read the website first
19:33<devil>should be preinstalled
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19:45<Sammy123>can I dd over my system partition?
19:45<TorpedoSkyline>Sammy123, you mean write over your unmounted system partition with a disk image?
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19:46<Sammy123>nope, over my mounted system partition
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19:49<apostle>devil, testdisk did return superblock data
19:50<apostle>devil, I tried to mount with the other super blocks with no success
19:50<apostle>mount -o sb=294912 /dev/sdc5 /media/data5/
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20:31<holocen>Anybody talks here?
20:31<holocen>Or just private?
20:31<Out`Of`Control>holocen: read topic
20:32<holocen>I have read it, Wheezy 7.1
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20:33<Out`Of`Control>holocen: i guess you need offtopic: #debian-offtopic
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20:34<holocen>No, I am on right place, but is odd that everyone talks about Wheezy in private
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20:37<themill>When there are no bugs, there's not much discussion to be had here
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20:49<caravel>could you please point me to any reading cf. plans for deterministic builds, if there are any at debian? I've searched quite a bit last month, to no avail
20:51<themill>caravel: Which aspect of the build do you want to be deterministic?
20:51<caravel>please let me refer to Sir M. Perry here:
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20:53<caravel>(see the intro at liberation tech
20:53<themill>yeah... until tools like doxygen, sphinx (even gcc) stop embedding things like build dates/stamps/ids into the output, we're an awfully long way from that.
20:54<themill>(I was hoping you wanted to talk about deterministic selection of package sets at build time in which case we could say that we were doing quite well!)
20:55<caravel>:) there might be a lot of work yes, still do you think the goal could be set?
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20:56<caravel>It's not just that I found it convincing, actually, I found this as an answer to a question I had in mind for a long time
20:58<caravel>until code reviews happen on distributed repos, with reproducible builds, I can't quite imagine any other solution to the issue
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21:00<themill>It's probably something to work towards, yes, but there are other problems in the debian build-chain that need to be fixed first (and are a higher priority in any case)... namely throwing away local builds from DDs and automatic debug packages
21:01<caravel>ok, so you reckon I did my search well before asking here, then? :) I mean, there were no particular discussion on this topic I missed?
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21:02<kernelpone>sorry bout that
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21:03<caravel>« This means that software development has to evolve beyond the simple models of "Trust my gpg-signed apt archive from my trusted build machine", or even projects like Debian going to end up distributing state-sponsored malware in short order. »
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21:04<caravel>this sounded as some call, I thought ^^
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21:12<caravel>oh, new thread talking about it (this w.e.)
21:13*caravel should have repeated the search then /o\ will read, thanks themill et al :)
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21:15<themill>Sadly, discussions like that one seem to get derailed by tinfoil hats and hypotheticals and miss all the other benefits that we would get from instituting such approaches
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21:19<paulcs>hi all
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21:21<caravel>I just had a quick start reading, I can see what you mean themill :/ some replies were surely sent too fast, I guess. Will read anyway for sure, carefully :D
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21:21<caravel>hi paulcs, good night themill and everyone :)
21:22<apostle>any chance ext2 superblocks get backed up somewhere else
21:22<themill>caravel: if you want to help with this, then working with the toolchain maintainers to help make sure that the compilers and friends at least make reproducible output would be a good first start. Then there are other things in the stack to tackle too
21:22<apostle>I think all my superblocks are corrupted
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21:28<caravel>themill: TBH I'm not sure how valuable could be my own efforts in this area (I might not have enough tech background), but, yes I'd be happy to contribute "anyhow" incl. minor things to start with.
21:29<caravel>Morover, that'd be "the" final reason for me switch to debian as a desktop distro also (I use it headless only, so far)
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21:30<caravel>(and well, in these times, maybe that'd help quite a few others to follow ;-)
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21:31<stderr>apostle: The filesystem has multiple copies of the superblock.
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21:33<stderr>apostle: From "man fsck.ext2": "Additional backup superblocks can be determined by using the mke2fs program using the -n option to print out where the superblocks were created."
21:33<caravel>apostle: and if a h/w damage *might* be the cause, you probably want to start by imaging it as a whole, and work at restoring the superblocks on the copy
21:34<stderr>apostle: When you have the location of the backup superblocks, you can use fsck.ext2's -b option.
21:34<stderr>apostle: Read the man pages...
21:35<apostle>stderr, yes I have done all that
21:36<apostle>still no data on drive when mounting with different superblocks
21:36<stderr>Did fsck find any errors?
21:37<stderr>Are you sure it's an ext2 filesystem and not e.g. xfs?
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21:38<sney>you can generally run 'fsck' and it'll figure out which specific fsck to run for the correct fstype
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21:39<apostle>fsck does
21:40<apostle>Free blocks count wrong for group #0 (0, counted=32207).
21:40<apostle>I have a back up of the same file system from Jan 2013 and it is an EXT2 file system
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21:43<stderr>apostle: Did fsck correct the errors?
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21:45<apostle>stderr, when I mount the drive thou, no data
21:45<apostle>and only a lost and found directory
21:45<stderr>Is that empty too?
21:47<apostle>Free blocks count wrong for group #23 (0, counted=32254).
21:47<apostle>what does this mean
21:47<stderr>Time to take a look at magicrescue and/or photorec...
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21:47<apostle>this happens for all the block groups
21:48<apostle>5589 Block groups
21:48<apostle>does counted mean it counted that many
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21:49<apostle>or does it mean that it counted 0 used and there is actually 32254 used
21:49<stderr>It means that the filesystem thinks there were 0 free blocks in group #23, but when fsck checked the blocks in group #23, it found 32254 free blocks.
21:49<apostle>oh ok
21:49<apostle>then that is a good thing
21:49<apostle>means the blocks are taken up
21:50<apostle>let me yes all of them again and then I will ping when it done that fix
21:50<stderr>It's not a good thing if fsck counts the blocks as free, while they should contain data.
21:50<stderr>You might want to add -c to fsck
21:51<apostle>so as long as fsck message means that the blocks are being used
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21:51<apostle>k trying now thanks
21:51<apostle>I did yes all these fixes by fsck
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21:51<apostle>but the space on the drive was totally used up
21:51<apostle>but still no files
21:52<apostle>perhaps I forget to check the lost and found at that point
21:52<stderr>Anyway, it's almost 4 in the morning here, so I should probably go to bed... Hope it works out.
21:52<stderr>If not, magicrescue and/or photorec...
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21:52<apostle>windows apps
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21:52<apostle>I will look into it
21:52<apostle>thanks again
21:53<stderr>magicrescue is in "magicrescue" :-) photorec is in "testdisk".
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22:00<apostle>stderr, sorry
22:00<apostle>I guess its not a good thing
22:01<apostle>if fsck is counting the blocks as free
22:01<apostle>then i'm screwed
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22:57<carefish>hey guys :) i'm having weird errors with `passwd', it returns: Authentication token manipulation error (and i'm running squeeze) it all started when i couldn't add a new user. df -h and df -i tell me i have enough space (`adduser' gives failure while writing changes to /etc/group, hence the df -h / df -i)
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22:59<carefish>i couldn't find sensible google hits, most regarding openwise (which i'm not running) or referring to selinux (which i'm also not running) and they say i should check for .lock files on /etc/passwd / /etc/shadow / /etc/group which don't exist
23:00<carefish>and i checked /etc/fstab to check if the volume would be remounted ro on any errors, which is also not the case
23:01<carefish>but now comes the fun stuff!
23:01<carefish>i can upload files via git/scp/ftp
23:01<carefish>as root, or as any other user
23:01<carefish>but adding new users?
23:02<carefish>(obviously tried that w/ sudo, and the root account itself, both failed)
23:02<carefish>if it helps: i can't edit existing users anymore either
23:02<carefish>edit being: setting group permissions, change their password
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23:02<carefish>they can't even change their own password
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23:06<jmcnaught>so wait, /etc/group doesn't exist? does /etc/shadow exist?
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23:07<carefish>they exist, but the .lock files that the possible solutions i found said would be there don't exist
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23:08<carefish>i'm also unsure what log files to check to tinker on my own for a bit more - where would be a good start?
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23:11<jmcnaught>is there anything in syslog after you try to add a user?
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23:12<wompa>carefish, be more detailed about what you are doing and what results you are getting by using and showing them to this channel
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23:12<carefish>i'll get to it right now, what's syslog?
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23:15<wompa> /var/log/syslog
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23:17<carefish>doh, that's an obvious spot
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23:22<carefish>here's the pastebin:
23:23<carefish>syslog doesn't report anything about adduser
23:24<themill>err 10 from groupadd is "can't update group file"
23:24<themill>is your filesystem readonly?
23:24<carefish>oh i forgot to put `mount's output
23:24<carefish>mount tells me everything that should be rw is rw, i'll paste it's output via pastebin
23:25<jmcnaught>can you also paste results of "ls -l /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow"
23:27<themill>Can you edit /etc/group in an editor?
23:28<jmcnaught>carefish: from your first paste, the results of "dh -h" show that / is full.
23:28<carefish>yup, seems that i can
23:28<carefish>wait, / is full? how can that even be if other uhh mounts still have space available?
23:29<jmcnaught>carefish: / is on /dev/vda1 which is only 323MB in size.. the other mount points like /usr are on different partitions
23:30<carefish>ah ok :) so i need to move stuff from / to the bigger partitions
23:30<sney>and there's a bunch of stuff that lives in /var that can take up way more than a few hundred MB. like /var/cache/apt/archives. tbh if you had /var on a separate partition that would probably do it.
23:30<sney>du -hs / will tell you where the culprit lies
23:31<carefish>i'll paste it's output here as well (via pastebin)
23:32<sney>oh, I see you already have /var somewhere else. well, maybe its /boot or you have some crap downloaded to /root
23:32<carefish>ooh, that's a possibility
23:32<themill>Any kernel packages you can remove?
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23:34<sney>that is a pretty wacky partition setup, too
23:34<carefish>it's the default though?
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23:34<carefish>as in: all i did was made sure my server understood english in UTF8
23:34<carefish>the rest was nobrained through w/ enters here and there
23:35<sney>it's a vps, though, right? so it's an image created by your vps provider.
23:36<jmcnaught>carefish: my guess is that the /dev/vda1 (320MB) might've originally been intended for use as /boot
23:36<carefish>no, they provided me a shell w/ installation access
23:36<carefish>they simply provided the debian iso premounted
23:37<sney>weird, because the automatically selected disk partitioning option is just to use everything as /
23:37<carefish>hm :o
23:37<themill>they may well have preseeded things into the installer though
23:37<carefish>then i'm not sure if they provided a default installation iso, it sure looked like it was though
23:38<carefish>but i've cleared out /root
23:38<carefish>let's see if that fixes stuff
23:38<carefish>that fixed it
23:38<carefish>not to self: NEVER wget -r as root ever again
23:39<carefish>fixed it: i can add users again now :)
23:39<carefish>is it possible to revert/rebuild this existing install to have everything on /?
23:40<carefish>it's got quite a few services running on it right now, so if it's not do-able during runtime, i'll do it later
23:41<carefish>thanks for your time guys :)
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23:41<themill>sounds like a "later" job
23:41<carefish>although df -h still shows quite alot being used on /
23:42<carefish>yeah, i need to clone a buttload of git/hg repo's and other stuff before i could really reconfigure that vps
23:43<themill>sure, a kernel package weighs in at 80 or 90 MB quite easily and then you have everything in /bin and the associated libraries in /lib also on that /
23:44<sney>having everything split up really only makes sense if you can't back up the entire volume, or you have some of it on nfs or something. and neither is the case with your average vps. silly
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23:49<carefish>i already know what i'm gonna do :) gonna schedule maintenance downtime... that's gonna be a day i'll never get back
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23:51<carefish>thanks again for your help guys :)
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