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02:25<nbags>i'm ssh-ing into a box running squeeze, with '-Y' but when i run an X11 app i get 'cannot connect to X server'. where should i begin in debugging this?
02:25<nbags>-X doesnt work either
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02:26<jm_>check that the sshd is not blocking it (X11Forwarding setting)
02:27<nbags>jm_: $ cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config |grep X11
02:27<nbags>X11Forwarding yes
02:27<jm_>nbags: where's that?
02:27<nbags>jm_: on the remote machine
02:28<nbags>on the client its commented out. which is ok i think cause i'm specifying it on the command line
02:28<jm_>nbags: in that case try running sshd in debug mode
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02:29<nbags>jm_: X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
02:29<nbags>thats with -vvvv
02:30<themill>is xauth installed on the remote machine?
02:30<themill>(well on both sides, really)
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02:32<nbags>themill: it wasn't. i just installed it but same error...
02:32<themill>is DISPLAY set on the client side before you try to ssh?
02:33<nbags>themill: $ set|grep DISPLAY
02:33<nbags>im trying to ssh as root. is that a problem (besides security issues which im aware of)
02:34<themill>ahh... does root actually have permissions to open things on :0.0 ?
02:34<themill>if you just typed in "xterm" or "xmessage hello world" does it work?
02:34<nbags>themill: sorry, i mean i'm running ssh as the user who owns the X server ... but i'm connecting to the remote machine as root
02:35<themill>oh, that should work ok
02:35<nbags>themill: yah. and i think by default it would normally work. but it seems there is something stopping it on this particular box.
02:38<jm_>nbags: do you get any more messages about xauth/x11 if you use debug mode?
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02:38<nbags>jm_: no, thats it
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02:38<jm_>nbags: you ran ssh with -vvvv, right?
02:39<nbags>jm_: yes
02:39<jm_>nbags: run ssh*d* with -ddd
02:39<jm_>preferably another instance
02:40<nbags>jm_: Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket.
02:40<nbags>debug1: x11_create_display_inet failed.
02:40<nbags>and before that a whole bunch of debug3: sock_set_v6only: set socket 8 IPV6_V6ONLY
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02:40<nbags>debug2: bind port 6999: Cannot assign requested address
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02:45<nbags>and it works :)
02:45<nbags>thanks jm_
02:45<jm_>but based on the code in wheezy it looks like your resolver is returning ipv6 for the host
02:45<nbags>workaround is good enough for me
02:45<jm_>although one would need to check older code to be sure
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02:46<jm_>nbags: no worries
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02:49<themill>nbags: what does "ip a show dev lo" on the remote side
02:49<themill>ahh... beat me to it
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02:50<themill>(binding ::1 to lo is alleged to solve this too)
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04:12<qboster>hi all. how can I use dpkg-buildpackage to sign myself package with non-interactive?
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04:56<diego>hello, any help with HDMI
04:56<diego>I can get it working but I want to extend my screen, not duplicate it
04:56<diego>and I cannot find that out
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05:00<diego>think I got it
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05:29<eXoRRR>hey guys
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05:30<eXoRRR>got a problem with a server I can use...if I use "pgrep -c -u $USER ftp" in shell I got zero because it's not running under my username
05:31<eXoRRR>but if I use it in a sh script, I got a result of 4 with the same command
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05:31<eXoRRR>anyone know what's wrong there or how to fix?
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05:48<ZIPY>eXoRRR: maybe the shellscript is run as root and u as normal user
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05:56<eXoRRR>okay ZIPY, any way to fix this? so that I only got the count of running ftp's with my username?
05:57<ZIPY>run the command as root
05:57<ZIPY>if u r in sudo list just put sudo infront
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06:00<eXoRRR>I'm not root
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06:00<eXoRRR>I'm just a user who use this shell
06:00<eXoRRR>like some others as well
06:00<eXoRRR>I'm not the owner of the server...
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06:03<ZIPY>eXoRRR: can u see other users with "ps aux | grep ftp" ?
06:03<jm_>probably $USER becomes ""
06:05<eXoRRR>ZIPY, no, I only see my running ftps with this cmd in shell
06:07<eXoRRR>and output on sh script is the same as on bash
06:08<eXoRRR>jm_, how should I solve this if this is the problem? just enter my username instead using $USER?
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06:09<jm_>eXoRRR: why not verify if this is really the issue first?
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06:09<ZIPY>u can try but i think u dont have access to other users processlist
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06:09<Xylon>why could I get this in a cgi script: ln: failed to create hard link `javascript_1375645847.js' => `javascript.js': Operation not permitted
06:10<Xylon>it has permission to the directory...
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06:11<martin1989>someone in tuquito channel????
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06:12<eXoRRR>jm_, tried already with username and not with butchr
06:13<ZIPY>but there are users running the ftp?
06:13<jm_>eXoRRR: put "set -x" as second line in the script, run it, show us what it says (use pastebin)
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06:15<Xylon>OK when I su to user www-data and run the ln command directly he still can't create the link
06:15<eXoRRR>seems working now
06:15<eXoRRR>dunno why but works :p
06:15<eXoRRR>but another prob is
06:16<eXoRRR>if I use "& disown" in the script while calling another .sh script
06:16<Xylon>but I can do `echo hi > file'
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06:16<eXoRRR>I got an error: disown not found
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06:17<Xylon>ooh, ln -s works
06:18<Xylon>so, the question is: why can user www-data create soft links but not hard links?
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06:23<wheeler>hi everybody!
06:23<wheeler>I've got problem with Gnome shell on deb 7u1
06:23<martin1989>what is it?
06:24<wheeler>Sometimes it stops reacting on mouse and keyboard signals
06:24<wheeler>I can only move cursor but gnome interface doesn't react
06:24<wheeler>when I click, hover elements
06:24<martin1989>change interface
06:25<wheeler>the only solution in such situations is to restart computer (I've got also some problem with virtual consoles so I cannot restart only graphics)
06:25<wheeler>I thought about it.
06:25<wheeler>KDE works good, but I'm mad about gnome :)
06:26<martin1989>can someone read this?
06:26<wheeler>I have been using it since I started using Linux about 6 years ago
06:26<Maulkin>martin1989: Yes
06:26<Maulkin>martin1989: Though I'm not sure what you're trying to ask?
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06:27<martin1989>i wasnt sure if my messages were being delivered
06:27<Maulkin>wheeler: What graphics card do you have?
06:27<martin1989>did you try xfce wheeler?
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06:28<wheeler>amd radeon
06:28<wheeler>I've tried xfce
06:28<martin1989>did it work fine?
06:28<Maulkin>wheeler: what sort?
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06:30<wheeler>AMD Radeon HD 6000 Series
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06:31<martin1989>it should run gnome very good..
06:31<Maulkin>wheeler: Any idea what driver you're ysing by any chance?
06:31<wheeler>I know I've bought it about 1,5 year ago
06:31<Maulkin>wheeler: Also, could you pastebin your dmesg and /var/log/syslog ?
06:32<babilen>dpkg: tell wheeler about radeon
06:33<babilen>wheeler: Make sure to have firmware-linux-nonfree (cf. <radeon firmware>) and libgl1-mesa-dri installed.
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06:34<wheeler>my dmesg:
06:35<wheeler>babilen: ok, i will check it
06:37<Maulkin>wheeler: may help
06:37<babilen>wheeler: In (probably) unrelated news: You should also install firmware-realtek (cf. line 811 of your dmesg paste)
06:38<babilen>wheeler: Oh, you are using fglrx not the open radeon driver. You don't need firmware for that, but I am also not too familiar with that driver as I always found the radeon one to be more than sufficient.
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06:45<wheeler>In general everything works well, but it happens sometimes that gnome stops working. It's annoying. I have now all required drivers
06:45<wheeler>I'll check how it will be work now.
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06:49<eXoRRR>disown: not found
06:49<eXoRRR>how to fix this?
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06:49<eXoRRR>running from a sh script
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06:50<eXoRRR>~/folder/ 2%1> /dev/null & disown
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06:52<jm_>not all shells have the disown command
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06:52<eXoRRR>any chance to find out if it's supported?
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06:53<eXoRRR>or is there any alternative for disown?
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06:59<jm_>eXoRRR: try using nohup instead, and please don't write lines like "Jm_?" because I tend to reply with "eXoRRR!"
07:00<eXoRRR>okay sorry
07:01<eXoRRR>so I should do it like this: nohup ~/folder/ 2%1> /dev/null &
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07:21<martin1989>hi there
07:21<martin1989>does someone use tuquito?
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07:24<Stummi>martin1989, never heard. Whats that?
07:25<Stummi>oh, an ubuntu-based distribution
07:25<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
07:25<Stummi>!based on debian
07:25<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
07:25<martin1989>an argentinian linux distribution
07:25<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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07:25<support>bots... bots everywhere...
07:26<martin1989>thank you
07:26<martin1989>no problem
07:26<martin1989>excuse me
07:26<TobiX>support: Well, dpkg is here so we don't have to write the same default answers over and over again
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07:27<support>can I ask question on xfce?
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07:28<Stummi>if its a debian specific question on xfce
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07:52<support>not exactly...
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07:53<support>don't really now. just how to put a network manager indicator on the panel in xfce debian)
07:54<support>google advises to install xfapplet-indicator, but aptitude can't find this package
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08:01<devil>support: apt-cache search xfce4 finds nothing?
08:02<devil>well, nothing relevant
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08:04<babilen>support: You can use nm-applet from network-manager-gnome just fine on xfce4
08:04<devil>maybe xfce4-indicator-plugin is what you need
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08:07<zeev>Hi, I want that usb sticks can not be mounted by regular users, but only those who are in groups floppy, cdrom, etc. How do I do it? I replaced user by group in the fstab for devices /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1 and created a new user, who by default is only one group - the same as his name, so not in floppy, but when attach an usb stick it is mounted... why?
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08:08<babilen>zeev: You are looking for the plugdev group
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08:09<zeev>babilen: the new user is also not in plugdev group...
08:09<zeev>babilen: so why is he able to plug?
08:09<babilen>Where is it mounted to? Which program is mounting it?
08:09<zeev>/dev/sdd1 ... through Gnome
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08:10<zeev>and there is nothing for sdd1 in fstab - strange
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08:11<zeev>babilen: /dev/sdd1 -> /media/NameOfTheStick
08:11<babilen>zeev: So, you are using nautilus on wheezy and a user who is only in its user group and nothing else (check "id" and "groups" please) can mount removable devices to /media ? Could you paste some output (aforementioned commands + "mount") to ?
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08:14<Sammy123>what is the best way to make apt-get upgrade ignore / hold back a package?
08:14<Sammy123>dpkg, aptitude or dselect?
08:14<dpkg>Sammy123: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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08:15<Nirgal>Sammy123: I do that using = key in aptitude. There sure are other methods
08:16<Stummi>I am not sure if apt-get is awar of the hold-state set via aptitude
08:16<Sammy123>Nirgal: I'm trying to script it. The problem I have right now is that I used "aptitude hold", but "apt-get upgrade" doesn't adhere to it
08:16<Sammy123>Stummi: Exactly :/
08:17<Stummi>Sammy123, is there a specific reason for using apt-get over aptitude?
08:17<zeev>babilen: is it a bug?
08:17<Stummi>i would just do the upgrades via aptitude instead of apt-get
08:17<babilen>zeev: Hmm, that shouldn't be that way and would warrant further investigation. This is, probably, related to the PolicyKit configuration in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks2.policy -- I'm off for lunch now and would recommend to file a bug now against nautilus (or polkit)
08:17<Sammy123>Stummi: I have borked dependencies and do not trust the aptitude dependency resolver
08:18<babilen>zeev: Could you paste the output of "pkaction" as that user?
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08:18<Stummi>Sammy123, IMHO the resolver from aptitude is more reliable than from apt-get
08:19<Stummi>but thats just an personal opinion
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08:20<Sammy123>Stummi: That it certainly is, but I don't really want dependency resolving in this special case
08:20<zeev>babilen: I also be away for several hours - please leave me a message on what you have found. I also didn't file bugs in the past.... Thank you
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08:21<babilen>dpkg: tell zeev -about reportbug
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08:21<Sammy123>Stummi: It's an abused Debian, used as firmware for a network drive ;)
08:21<babilen>zeev: Run "reportbug --configure" befor using it and don't specifcy any SMTP servers .. it'll use Debian's which is typically better than relying on you own setup.
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08:22<zeev>babilen: so it is defenetly a bug?
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08:25<babilen>zeev: Well, I don't quite see a misconfiguration on your part - There might be something, but polkit and consolekit aren't that trivial ... My gut feeling is: User shouldn't be able to mount *unless* that user is asked for authentication.
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08:29<Sammy123>Nirgal: oh wow.
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09:07<steamhater>Greets :)
09:08<steamhater>Can somebody please help me?
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09:09<babilen>dpkg: ask
09:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:10*Stummi .oO(we don't help haters..)
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09:10<steamhater>I have a problem with changing my Synaptic repos; I'm running Debian 7. When I try to add contrib and non-free repos, nothing happens (despite I enter my root password).
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09:11<steamhater>Same happens when I attempt to change /etc/apt/sources.list
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09:11<dvs>steamhater: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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09:14<dvs>steamhater: Line 14 is done correctly.
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09:14<dvs>steamhater: Just add "contrib non-free" to the other lines
09:14<dvs>steamhater: and erase lines 2 and 4
09:15<steamhater>dvs: It does not save anything, telling me that I have insufficient rights
09:15<dvs>steamhater: do it as root
09:15<steamhater>through the command line?
09:15<dvs>through and editor
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09:15<babilen>steamhater: You want your /etc/apt/sources.list to look like (modulo backports maybe) -- run "apt-get update" after changing it. Once you've done this you should be fine.
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09:16<steamhater>Could you please tell me the required command? Thanks in advance
09:16<themill>required command to do what?
09:17<steamhater>how am I supposed to save a file as root? (Sorry for noobish questions, my first day with debian)
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09:18<steamhater>and, strangely, when I try to edit the sources from within Synaptic, it asks me what to do if new *ubuntu* version is released)
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09:20<themill>I often get the impression that synaptic isn't used that much in Debian. It's certainly not a package that is in great shape.
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09:21<dvs>I use it
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09:21<steamhater>themill: I also cannot make it use contrib and non-free from the options. When I choose the required settings, it prompts me to enter my root password, then nothing happens
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09:21<steamhater>themill: and the checked options just grey out
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09:31<Diwoka>hi all i have some problem my teamspeak-server dosen t work after installation
09:31<lOOza>you get an error or something?
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09:36<Diwoka> it s my error
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09:38<lOOza>hmmm not sure about this... did you set up the sql stuff correctly?
09:38<lOOza>maybe update sql tables manually
09:39<lOOza>but im not an expert with that
09:39<lOOza>do you have that files in the path what is shown?
09:39<Diwoka>i install the package teamspeak server
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09:40<Diwoka>no but i try to purge and reinstall
09:40<Diwoka>it s the same
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09:41<lOOza>hm never tryed that
09:42<lOOza>i installed always from tar.gz archive
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09:42<lOOza>maybe copy the sql files from the archiv to the path
09:42<lOOza>SQL file not found /usr/lib/teamspeak-server/sqlite_sql/upgrade_3.sql
09:42<lOOza>and so on
09:42<Diwoka>oki i try
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09:44<babilen>Diwoka: I take it that you have read /usr/share/doc/teamspeak-server/README.Debian already and followed its instructions? I would also like to point out that the teamspeak-server package has been orphaned in Debian and that it might therefore not be in the best shape
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09:45<Diwoka>babilen: sorry i don t read this
09:45<babilen>dpkg: tell Diwoka -about readme.debian
09:45<Diwoka>i search the but i don t find it
09:45<Diwoka>the doc as already as the same place
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09:46<babilen>Diwoka: You might want to consider installing it to /usr/local from upstream's source -- You can "manage" that installation with stow (see "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage"£
09:46<babilen>Diwoka: What do you mean? You simply read the file at /usr/share/doc/teamspeak-server/README.Debian
09:47<Diwoka>i ask if i install a package all readme file for all package are on the same place
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09:47<babilen>not quite, they are all in /usr/share/doc/NAME_OF_THE_PACKAGE/README.Debian*
09:48<Diwoka>thk for this
09:48<babilen>It wouldn't make sense to install them all in exactly the same place ... ;)
09:49<Diwoka>no you are right but name of package and Readme.Debian it s good for me
09:50<babilen>But then, given that the package has been last worked on two years ago you might want to consider grabbing it from upstream. As a proprietary solution we can't support it anyway ...
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09:52<Diwoka>i don t understand we cant support it
09:52<Diwoka>because is not open source ?
09:54<Diwoka>you think is better to download on the website
09:54<babilen>We can package it, but we cannot support it like we support open source software. And obviously nobody cares enough about it to work on this. I would therefore recommend to take a look at the newest version from upstream and install that to /usr/local (or rather /usr/local/stow/teamspeak-server managed with stow))
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09:54<babilen>Diwoka: Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Note that I really coulnd't care less about teamspeak and that this is solely based on the fact that the package has been orphaned in Debian for a long time.
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09:56<Diwoka>right teamspeak server it s a 2.0
09:56<Diwoka>i dont see that
09:56<Diwoka>and today it s a 3.0
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09:57<Diwoka>another question
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10:15<saray>hay alguien ahi?
10:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:16<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
10:17<zathras>hi saray
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10:19<Senor>where do I get debug packet for debian?
10:20<zathras>debug packet?
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10:20<Senor>like this
10:20<zathras>ah. Aren't those in your apt list?
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10:21<zathras>alternatively you could manually download them from a mirror
10:21<ompaul>Senor: apt-cache search linux-image dbg it will find it for you
10:22<Senor>i find these packts:
10:22<Senor>p linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem-dbg - Debugging infos for Linux 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem
10:22<Senor>p linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-686-dbg - Debugging infos for Linux 2.6.32-5-openvz-686
10:22<Senor>p linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem-dbg - Debugging infos for Linux 2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem
10:22<Senor>i linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686-dbg - Debugging infos for Linux 2.6.32-5-xen-686
10:22<Senor>but I do not know which one is to my fit
10:23<blast007>Senor: what does 'uname -r' show?
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10:24<ompaul>686-bigmem-dbgis there more to uname -a
10:25<ompaul>is there more to uname -a
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10:28<themill>The kernel team doesn't provide debug packages for the -486 and -686 kernels, only the -686-bigmem/-686-pae ones. No idea why.
10:29<Senor>so which one should I install ?
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10:29<ompaul>none of them match your machine
10:29<ompaul>you have choices
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10:29<ompaul>install bigmem ordinary kernel and then install that dbg
10:30<ompaul>build your own kernel from source as a dbg package
10:30<ompaul>or both
10:30<Senor>I have no source
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10:31<zathras>I have a Debian Squeeze machine wih default Samba 3.5.6 packages configured as a PDC with an openLDAP backend. WinXP machinesa used to be able to join the domain, but Win7 fails. Not even a machine account was created. I did this manually. Stil it complains it cannot find the domain. I ran M$ś nmblookup tool and it can see the PDC without problems. Any thoughts of the subject please?
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10:33<Senor>what is linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686-dbg?
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10:36<ompaul>for users of xen the virtualisation package
10:36<ompaul>so it's not for you
10:37<ompaul>bigmem would work even if you don't have more than 4 gigs of ram
10:37<ompaul>the others are for virtualisation tools
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10:42<lord_rob>anyone knows a SIP client that can send DTMF to a Server ?
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10:45<Node_8392>i need help with a first time ever install of Debian and getting started. this will be on a mid-2012 13" MacBookPro9,9 external drive.
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10:46<Node_8392>i hope i'm in the right place ...
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10:47<babilen_>dpkg: tell Node_8392 -about install debian
10:48<babilen_>Node_8392: I'd recommend the netinstall image with firmware if you have a working internet connection during the installation. See "/msg dpkg firmware image" for details.
10:48<Node_8392>i read the whole install guide. i got boot issues
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10:50<babilen_>We really cannot answer questions that you don't ask ;)
10:50<Node_8392>i'm an old unix hand but i do not have much linux experience beyond this knoppix disk. i'm switching from Apple.
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10:51<babilen>i'll be back in a few minutes .. Just try to describe your problem as detailedly as possible.
10:51<Node_8392>ok i can boot most live discs but not the debian kde live amd64 which i had to boot on a friends desktop pc
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10:53<alessio>ITALIA <3
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10:53<Node_8392>i can't boot anything non-macosx unless it's on a dvd+r. dunno why i can't get a usb drive to boot linux. i have managed to get refit and refind to boot from a kanguru ss3 though.
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10:55<zathras>Node_8392, cannot boot: as in : you get an error (if so specify) or it does not boot at all. In the later case check BIOS
10:56<Calinou>linux on macs is sketchy, remember
10:56<Calinou>expect a bumpy ride
10:56<Node_8392>i also want to install grub (version 2?) to a partition on the same kanguru ss3 drive
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10:56<Node_8392>i know this. i really want to buy a linux laptop but so far have been unhappy with what's out there
10:57<Node_8392>that i've looked at so far anyways
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10:57<Node_8392>this hardware is perfect if it would just work
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11:00<Node_8392>i've looked at all the distros and live discs on wikipedia and debian is my first choice now. i've booted a friends pc with the debian wheezy kde amd64 live disc and i like what i see. i've read the install guide (completely minus raid stuff) and FAQ completely
11:00<zathras>Node_8392, do you have an error message at hand?
11:01<Node_8392>option menu let's me boot the disc but then i get the black screen with an underscore and it never goes away
11:01<Node_8392>never even brings up bootloader
11:01<zathras>can you boot other disks this way?
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11:01<Node_8392>and that's the dvd.
11:02<Node_8392>tails and this knoppix disc work fine
11:02<Node_8392>no error msg. sorry
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11:03<Node_8392>i don't get an error msg. it just stops
11:03<Node_8392>like i said the desktop pc worked fine
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11:03<Node_8392>but i really need a laptop
11:05<Node_8392>any ideas?
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11:05<Node_8392>i'm not sure how i can install if i can't even boot the installer
11:07<Node_8392>apm1 made an offer to help before i went on my trip. haven't seen since getting back though.
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11:10<Node_8392>tho i want stable, apm1 said something about needing a sid kernel. does that help?
11:12<Node_8392><also awaiting return of babilen>
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11:17<maxim-ngs>how fixed:
11:17<maxim-ngs>kernel: invalid opcode: 0000 [#2] SMP
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11:30<Node_8392>great googely moogelies! my older late 2009 mac pro desktop (8core-i7 16GB ram) just booted the debian dvd like it was nothing. it has an efi firmware whereas this macbookpro has uefi firmware
11:30<Node_8392>i wonder if that is my issue here
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11:48<Node_8392>if i can't get any install help, then can i get some help finding some linux laptop hardware that is a close match (hardware-wise) to this MacBookPro?
11:48<Node_8392>something that'll run debian?
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11:53<Argure>Node_8392: I've had success with debian-amd64-netinst7.1 on a macbookpro7,1
11:53<Node_8392>let me find and download that. it might work
11:53<Argure>iirc, I used GPT as the partition table, and then installed rEFIt through osx, resized osx to be as small as possible, then booted debian cd
11:54<Argure>Node_8392: note, this was from a USB btw.
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11:54<Argure>though DVD drive shouldn't have much difficulty either but make sure the installer gets you grub2-efi
11:55<Argure>also, note, you can't install proprietary nvidia drivers when booting in pure EFI-mode, if you were planning on doing that.
11:55<Node_8392>ok, will do. i found the .iso
11:55<maxrl>is it possible to specify /boot/uImage as the kernel parameter to mkinitcpio?
11:56<SamB>Argure: why's that?
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11:56<Node_8392>gt120 cards (2 of them), they need special drivers?
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11:57<SamB>Argure: I could understand if we were talking about secure boot with pre-signed kernels, but AIUI we don't have any of those anyway?
11:58<Argure>SamB: I have no idea what is causing it, but it simply doesn't work, on any distribution that I've tried
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11:58<Argure>the x server pretty much crashes on boot.
11:58<SamB>something to do with VGA BIOS maybe?
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11:59<Argure>Node_8392: the default open source drivers work fine for me
11:59<Node_8392>please tell me the vesa driver still works
11:59<Argure>though iirc they don't support hardware acceleration, last I checked.
11:59<Node_8392>ok whew! that's good enought for me
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12:00<Node_8392>not much acceleration on a gt120.
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12:01<Argure>SamB: Apple's Intel EFI has all kinds of weird stuff.
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12:02<Argure>which probably won't get fixed, I mean, I don't expect distributions to offer support for Apple's non-standard EFI implementation and I certainly won't expect Apple to care about being able to run anything other than OSX
12:03<Node_8392>Argure, your 7,1... if you hold down option key durning boot and get the menu, does the menu have the dropdown for wi-fi networks?
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12:03<SamB>so it's just an Apple glitch, then?
12:03<Argure>Node_8392: yes
12:03<Argure>SamB: not really, just a non-standard EFI implementation
12:04<Node_8392>you have a uefi then. Apple's customized closed source version of uefi.
12:04<Node_8392>like mine
12:04<Node_8392>mid 2010 and later macs
12:05<Node_8392>mine is mid-2012
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12:06<Node_8392>i'm willing to help by letting my install be documented to help others with a 9,2 like mine
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12:07<psychoslave__>I'm trying to install the lastest gnome developer environment on my Wheezy using jhbuild, but I met problem I logged here:
12:07<psychoslave__>could someone suggest me additional step to try to successfully compile it all?
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12:08<psychoslave__>Especially, I would like to know if I may meet big problem if I install policy-kit on my system
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12:10<Node_8392>bbl. gotta dl disc Argure suggested and burn it and try it.
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12:48<Node_8392>Argure, it worked! <3 happy happy joy joy!! <bouncing off the walls>
12:48<SynrG>hmm. i can't seem to tune nfsv4 correctly. wheezy server, and a mix of wheezy & sid clients. all experience the same problems. sometimes write performance plunges to a 10th or worse of "normal". e.g. i can start copying a file that is 2G at about 10MBytes/sec and the first three quarters of the file transfers fine. but after the 1.5G mark it plunges to a trickle of about 1M/sec
12:49<Argure>Node_8392: see for next steps
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12:51<Node_8392>ah yes the sid kernel apm1 mentioned ...
12:52<SynrG>^^ /etc/exports on server and /etc/fstab on client
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12:54<Node_8392>this unit only has the hd3000(maybe hd4000?) intel graphics so no nvidia or other additional graphics cards. might be a plus for me.
12:54<SynrG>the 2G file test is repeatable. each time I try to copy it, at about the 1.5G mark, transfer rate plunges. any idea why? (see previous paste)
12:54<Node_8392>will i still need efi mode?
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12:56<Argure>not really, but if you got grub2-efi working, I'd stick with it rather than mucking with the csm
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12:57<Argure>basically the bios emulation layer
12:57<Argure>used for apple's boot camp, for instance
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12:59<dominique>probleme de grub
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13:02<SynrG>is it just "normal" that very large (2G) file copies to an nfsv4 server start out fast and then get extremely slow, or am i doing something wrong?
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13:03<Node_8392>Argure, other than the graphics issues, is there any other drawbacks, limitations, etc. to using grub-efi?
13:03<Argure>not that I've come across, personally
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13:06<Node_8392>mine is a core i5 with hyperthreading. that fast enough for debian (installed on high speed ssd on usb3.0) without graphics acceleration (including vlc playback from encrypted volumes)?
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13:08<Argure>mmhm, I've had no real issues with HD video playback from a 7,1
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13:09<Argure>only thing I can't do is transcoding really big files on the fly and then streaming them.
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13:09<Node_8392>did you upgrade to the i7?
13:09<Argure>hell, it's a core 2 duo
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13:10<Node_8392>can i install grub to one drive and debian to another and still get everything to work (both drives plugged in)?
13:11<valdyn>Node_8392: sure
13:12<Node_8392>is it possible to safely eject the grub drive after booting debian from the other drive?
13:12<valdyn>Node_8392: sure
13:13<Node_8392>grub will work from a read only drive right?
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13:16<Node_8392>hmm... ok. what i had in mind was installing grub-efi (version 2?) to a kanguru ss3 and write protect it. it's a usb3.0 drive and all my usb ports are 3.0
13:17<Node_8392>i know i'll need the drive for each boot and i'm ok with that. was hoping i would never need a backup of the bootloader. that it would always just work
13:18<Node_8392>1 less thing to ever need fixing
13:19<Node_8392>it would have it's own partition. other partitions include refit and refind
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13:19<Node_8392>so i need the kanguru ss3 anyways
13:21<Node_8392>direct installs of refit/refind and/or grub bypass the hardware security of macs. this is why i'm using the ss3
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13:21<apostle>stderr, I was able to recover my data with photorec
13:21<apostle>thanks everyone for all the help
13:21<Node_8392>the chainloading is worth the peace of mind
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13:26<Node_8392>well thanks for the help so far. i have a starting point anyways
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13:41<Sammy123>hey there
13:42<Sammy123>I'm a bit lost with mdadm, maybe one of you knows what '$ mdadm --wait /dev/md0' does
13:42<Sammy123>I couldn't find anything in the man page
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13:46<Sammy123>Oh, wrong mental model. Nevermind.
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14:20<dex>sometimes when I play a mp3 file in totem it doesn't sound anything, why does it happens??
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14:22<dex>and it blinks with the disc image and the visual effects
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14:22<dex>what is going on??
14:23<dex>the update manager never finishes updating
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14:27<dex>can somebody tell me why these things dont work properly???
14:28<mtn>dex: did it ever work correctly? how old is this install?
14:28<sney>nobody in #debian is at your computer with you so you have to give details
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14:30<dex>i think it is about may, not too much time late after the release of debian 7.0
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14:31<dex>maybe 2 weeks after the release of 7.0
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14:31<dex>what details do u need to know?
14:31<mtn>dex: did it ever work correctly?
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14:32<dex>i am not sure, maybe the first time update manager worked, did it correctly
14:32<dex>but today it has been updating for 8 hours or so
14:32<mtn>dex: have you tried using synaptic for upgrading?
14:32<dex>and the pointer is loading when i hover the window of update manager
14:33<dex>no, i haven't
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14:33<dex>shall i exit updte manager??
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14:34<mtn>dex: yes and then paste you /etc/apt/source.list file to and give us the link.
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14:36<dex>i have never modified it
14:36<sney>yeah that looks pretty normal. can you update with apt-get?
14:36<dex>u mean : apt-get update??
14:38<dex>it didnt throw any error
14:38<sney>and then apt-get upgrade
14:39<dex>apt-get upgrade didnt do anything
14:40<sney>did it just say "no packages updated," etc?
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14:42<dex>it says: reading package list // creating dependences tree // reading state information // 0 updated // 0 will be installed // 0 to remove // 0 updated
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14:42<sney>yeah, so you have no updates.
14:43<dex>should i remove update manager?? it doesnt work properly
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14:44<sney>most experienced debian users use apt-get. you don't need to remove update manager but you could ignore it
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14:45<sney>although I bet it will work now that you've triggered an update manually
14:46<dex>and what about the blinking totem?? why does it happens??
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14:47<dex>totem sometimes doesnt play a file, and when it plays it, the special effects blinks with the disc image
14:48<dex>i have not made too much changes from the initial installation of debian
14:48<dex>any ideas?
14:50<dex>another thing happens, whenever I open nautilus the pointer keeps thinking and a second window opens, it takes a while until it dissappears
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14:52<sney>I don't use totem or nautilus enough to say, but it sounds kind of like a slow disk or not much memory
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14:53<dex>how could i know if it is because of the memory or the disk?
14:55<dex>btw if u dont use totem or nautilus what do u use instead of them?
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15:28<quant__>hello, any solution for seemingly random crackling sound on wheezy kde?
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15:59<ferryman>hi I have a asus eee pc 4g linux I have downloaded a netinst iso image of squeeze. Now I am trying to dd image to a USB stick
15:59<ferryman>using # dd if=debian-*-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX # where sdX is the device your USB media is using
16:00<sney>ok, what issue are you having
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16:01<ferryman>I am unsure if I have to include the name of the USB stick
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16:01<stderr>ferryman: Can I ask why you got squeeze (old-stable) and not wheezy (stable)?
16:01<stderr>ferryman: /dev/sdX is the "name" of the USB stick.
16:01<HRH_H_Crab>ferryman: you can probably just cat it
16:01<HRH_H_Crab>just make sure you use the device not the partition!
16:01<esseks>Hi! Was gtk+ (v1) definitely dropped? Does it live in some compat package?
16:01<ferryman>I just went to the debian main site
16:02<stderr>And remember that everything on the stick will be deleted!
16:02<ferryman>that is why I chose squeeze
16:02<HRH_H_Crab>stderr: good point.
16:02<sney>and run 'sync' afterwards.
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16:02<HRH_H_Crab>and make sure that it really is the stick
16:02<sney>esseks: I'm pretty sure gtk1 has been gone for years
16:02<HRH_H_Crab>i once made a n900 very unhappy by getting that wrong!
16:03<stderr>ferryman: Where did you find squeeze on Debians site?
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16:03<esseks>stderr, maybe he downloaded the ISO some months ago...
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16:04<stderr>Maybe. Just wanted to be sure.
16:05<sney>oh, ok. that wiki page is very old. if you followed that link then you have the wheezy installer.
16:05<sney>the instructions are the same.
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16:07<andy>evening all, not new to Linux but new to Knoppix, having the following problems: can't find how to change the keyboard, can't remote desktop, can't find how to have multiple desktops, using latest version...
16:07<ferryman>Is it simpler to download straight to the eee pc xandros(fork) or download to an xp pc?
16:08<sney>andy: this is #debian, please go to the correct channel for your distribution
16:08<sney>ferryman: it doesn't make much difference
16:08<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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16:09<andy>ok ta
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16:10<ferryman>thanks for the above advice
16:11<sney>if you decide to use windows to download and write the image, do NOT use unetbootin. use win32diskimager.
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17:03<Frogec>i`ll do my best to explain the problem
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17:07<Frogec>every 3-4 hour i lost connection, already called my provider and the guy on the phone said that problem is on my side (user crash). I`m using debian wheezy. Internet is adsl (cable goes from antena to PC directly). Anybody has any damn idea how to solve this problem?
17:07<dex>hi everyone, when i open nautilus it doesnt show up, i have to click on the dock to see nautilus window
17:07<dex>is that right??
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17:09<Frogec>no help for me
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17:12<terrible96>hi when i trying to install libreoffice give me this error
17:12<terrible96>debian 6 squeeze
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17:14<babilen__>dpkg: tell terrible96 -about bat
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17:16<babilen__>terrible96: libreoffice is not in squeeze, so you are doing something wrong. And you should also consider upgrading to wheezy. Follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" and, in partcular, "/msg dpkg release notes"
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17:16<musca>,v libreoffice --release squeeze-backports
17:16<judd>Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2
17:16<babilen>terrible96: You probably wanted to run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice" (that's what my crystal ball comes up with)
17:17<babilen>judd: v libreoffice
17:17<judd>Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.0.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.0.3-3; sid: 1:4.1.0-4
17:17<terrible96>so libreoffice is not in squeeze which one i should use openoffice???
17:17<esseks>terrible96, why not squeeze-backports?
17:17<babilen>terrible96: You can install libreoffice from squeeze-backports just fine on squeeze, but you have to tell apt-get to install packages from there explicitly. (if you have enabled backports already)
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17:18<terrible96>esseks, where i can find the backport repos list???
17:18<babilen>terrible96: But then, the sensible thing to do right now is to upgrade to wheezy.
17:18<babilen>terrible96: What do you mean?
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17:19<terrible96>what repos i have to add in order to use backport
17:20<terrible96>just that then run apt-get install libreoffice???
17:20<babilen>terrible96: See -- but I think that you have it enabled already. But then you don't paste the information I requested earlier (apt-cache policy output, sources.list, ...) so I can't know for sure.
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17:21<babilen>terrible96: As I said: I think all you have to do is to run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice" -- Note that I *do* recommend to upgrade to wheezy instead though. Follow the release notes for that.
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17:23<terrible96>babilen, here
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17:24<babilen>terrible96: as you cn see you have it enabled already ...
17:25<terrible96>babilen, i have already enable the squeeze-backport??
17:25<babilen>yes, I just said that.
17:25<babilen>terrible96: You really should consider upgrading to wheezy by following - but you can install libreoffice with the command I mentioned earlier (twice in fact)
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17:27<terrible96>babilen, yes bro it is installing now
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17:28<terrible96>babilen, but i dont want to upgrade to wheezy i think i gonna stay in squeeze for a while
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17:28<babilen>terrible96: Why is that?
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17:29<terrible96>babilen, to tell the true i have hardware problem and i have to reinstall the system often and i just have debian squeeze disc
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17:30<babilen>terrible96: Grab a wheezy disk and install that instead! :)
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17:30<babilen>dpkg: tell terrible96 -about install debian
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17:32<terrible96>babilen, yes that would be a solution but i to lazy to burn a image and squeeze is running great
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17:34<icywater>Anyone from India or Indian support?
17:35<redshadowhero>You may want to try #debian-in, icywater.
17:36<icywater>is it on here?
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17:36<babilen>icywater: It is, yes.
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17:39<cleberprof>how things work here ?
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17:40<mammutpanzer>Dear Debian Community. I used Windows for many years, I never thought a lot about security, privacy, free and open source software and (I find I should state it, too) net neutrality. I got to know a bit about all these points by reading/viewing news paper, TV news, magazines and my favourite IT TV shows. Years later Edward Snowden showed the world what secret services like the NSA do with programms like PRISM, Tempora and XKeyscore.
17:40<mammutpanzer> On my search to protect myself and others and get to know more about all these topics I asked in the ##security channel of freenode. There someone linked me to Since I saw that website I try to inform my self about all the state topics. I try to get daily news info, read everything and try out the free alternatives. For example I switched from Windows to Debian. :D I am currently reading the block Web Brows
17:40<mammutpanzer>ers at prism break. Now I am wondering should I get Iceweasel or GNUzilla IceCat? I don't want to start holy wars I simply want to get a good product and know the pros and cons. Can anyone help me?
17:40<@babilen>icywater: Try "/join #debian-in"
17:40<@babilen>mammutpanzer: Please don't do that.
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17:40<mammutpanzer>Do what?
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17:41<@babilen>mammutpanzer: Write that long lines -- Our bot might kick you for that as it looks like a flood.
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17:41<mammutpanzer>Oh babilen I am sorry I thought xchat had a limit so I won't flood :( I just felt I should explain myself a bit before I ask for help
17:41<@babilen>dpkg: tell mammutpanzer -about icecat
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17:42<@babilen>mammutpanzer: yeah, just try to aim for a healthy balance between sensible sentences and novels ;)
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17:43<mammutpanzer>babilen if I understand dpkg correct there is only iceweasel for Debian?
17:43<babilen>mammutpanzer: icecat is not packaged in Debian (yet) so you would have to grab it from upstream. The whole meta discussion related to prism/tempora/xkeyscore/... is not really on-topic in here and I would recommend to take that to #debian-offtopic
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17:45<mammutpanzer>Thanks for help babilen. By the way, I was just wondering IceCat and Iceweasel try to bring Mozilla Firefox as free software for the Linux OS. Why were 2 products needed? Wouldn't it be better if both work on the same free browser?
17:45<mammutpanzer>*if both teams work on the same free browser?
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17:46<moslemsry121311>Do skype,yahoo other chat and social communication prog work 2 spoil muslim's youth and spy4isreal&usa???????
17:46<moslemsry121311>do they record and analyse every word we type????????????
17:46<moslemsry121311>Do chat prog spy 4 isreal&usa??????? Do chat prog spy 4 isreal&usa???????
17:46<moslemsry121311>هل يتجسس الشات لامريكا واسرائيل؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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17:49<@babilen>mammutpanzer: In one way that would be advantageous, but please note that Mozilla Firefox *is* free software. It's just that we cannot ship patches and other changes we make to the upstream code while still keeping their branding. This is detailed in "/msg dpkg why iceweasel" -- As to Icecat I have no idea and you would have to ask them.
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17:53<mammutpanzer>But babilen free software means that it is open source and can be read and can be modified. However if you modify Firefox you can't redistribute it. Just asking: After that definition Firefox is open source but is it free software?
17:54<stderr>You can redistribute "firefox". You just can't call it firefox.
17:54<stderr>Hence why Debian calls it iceweasel.
17:54<@babilen>It's about the trademark (the name "firefox") not about the code.
17:54<SynrG>trademark and license law are completely different
17:54<mammutpanzer>Oh I am sorry seems I misunderstood something :(
17:54<mammutpanzer>So I can change Firefox but need to rename it?
17:54<SynrG>so iceweasel *is* firefox
17:54<SynrG>it's not a different browser
17:55<stderr>mammutpanzer: Yes.
17:55<mammutpanzer>Also I am not sure if I understood it correctly. Iceweasel uses all Firefox Add-ons right? While IceCat only uses free add-ons. Is this true?
17:56<@babilen>mammutpanzer: As SynrG said: Iceweasel *is* Firefox (modulo some Debian patches and a different name) -- ask the icecat people about that.
17:56<torguy>i read that its always a couple updates behind
17:57<@babilen>torguy: It really isn't. See for details on how to track the various Mozilla release channels (ESR, release, aurora, beta, ...)
17:57<Frogec>every 3-4 hour i lost connection, already called my provider and the guy on the phone said that problem is on my side (user crash). I`m using debian wheezy. Internet is adsl (cable goes from antena to PC directly). Anybody has any damn idea how to solve this problem?
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17:57<SynrG>Frogec: do you have logs from when you lose connection?
17:57<torguy>Frogec: maybe the problem is with your internet modem?
17:58<Frogec>SynrG: where can i find thaht log?
17:58<stderr>Frogec: Do you still have an IP-address when it happens? Can you do a traceroute -n while there's a problem?
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17:59<SynrG>Frogec: i'd look at 'dmesg' around when it happens, for starters.
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17:59<@babilen>and /var/log/{messages,daemon.log}
18:00<Frogec>it reconnect itself after 4-5min, but it happens every 3-4 hours
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18:01<SynrG>Frogec: any unusual stresses on your connection? lots of torrent peers or other high amounts of network traffic caused by something else?
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18:02<Frogec>SynrG: no, while it works - works perfectly fine
18:03<chealer>Frogec: "antena"?
18:03<Frogec>i`ve had that problem on mint 14, and now on debian 7
18:03<mammutpanzer>@all who helped answering my questions about browers: Thanks a lot :D
18:03<Frogec>chealer: i`m from bosnia :)
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18:04<chealer>Frogec: which antena are you talking about?
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18:05<Frogec>i`m gonna find a picture of the antena
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18:06<mammutpanzer>Another issue: For my laptop I used debian amd64 net installer then I found out there is an error with the ATI graphics card. (it showed up on boot) I was told I should use the non-free packages to solve the issues. For my new PC I would like to use debian amd64 net installer, too. However I would like to not use the non-free packages if possible. What if I need them and I do not know it? How can I check that my system is okay witho
18:06<mammutpanzer>ut the non-free packages?
18:07<chealer>mammutpanzer: IceCat's mains differences 1) It's an "upstream" project. 2) It's not in Debian. 3) It restricts installation of add-ons. 4) It's outdated
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18:08<SynrG>mammutpanzer: usually it is fine to use the free driver to do the install and install the non-free afterwards if necessary
18:08<mammutpanzer>chealer thanks for info but how do you know it is outdated?
18:08<Frogec>something like this is on the roof
18:08<mammutpanzer>SynrG but how do I know if I need the non-free ?
18:08<Frogec>so i have cable from antenna to my pc
18:08<Frogec>and that`s it
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18:08<chealer>mammutpanzer: it's based on an outdated version of Firefox (and always lags behind anyway, more than Iceweasel)
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18:10<SynrG>Frogec: i don't think 'antenna' is the word you're looking for. ADSL involves the transmission of signals over wires, not wirelessly, as would be the case with an antenna.
18:10<chealer>mammutpanzer: you mean you want to buy a new PC making sure it won't require non-free drivers?
18:10<Frogec>and i can`t read any log so i can`t see what happened
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18:10<Borgbox>The xorg ATI drivers worked for me after I did a kernel update for Debian7 wheezey but I was getting an ATI error on boot before then
18:11<mammutpanzer>chealer, any references on the IceCat stuff? 2nd. Yes I would like to be free from properitarian software
18:11<Frogec>SynrG: here in BiH it`s called WADSL :)
18:11<babilen>mammutpanzer: You require firmware (which is non-free) for radeon graphic cards. A bunch of them won't work correctly without that. This is the reason why we also offer images with firmware or let users load firmware from a usb stick during the installation. See <radeon firmware> <firmware image> and <installer firmware> for details.
18:11<babilen>mammutpanzer: Ask the IceCat people or read the Wikipedia article. IceCat really isn't on-topic here.
18:11<stderr>Frogec: Next time check if you still got an IP-address and do a traceroute -n to some external IP-address.
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18:12<mammutpanzer>babilen okay I will shut up about IceCat in here :X Thanks for help on the other issue
18:12<chealer>Frogec: Your connection to your Internet Service Provider is wireless?
18:12<stderr>Keep a copy of the traceroute -n. We might want you to put it on when you get back online.
18:12<babilen>mammutpanzer: You typically also have to install a suitable microcode package from non-free for your CPU if you want that to work bug-free (which is a good thing, trust me)
18:12<Frogec>stderr: i would if you tell me how :) don`t know that much
18:12<babilen>dpkg: tell mammutpanzer -about microcode
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18:12<Frogec>chealer: yes
18:13<chealer>mammutpanzer: references for what part?
18:13<stderr>Frogec: Which part?
18:13<SynrG>Frogec: sounds "special" to your country (and also, apparently, Italy ...)
18:13<Frogec>traceroute -n to some external IP-address - this part
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18:13<SynrG>first i had heard of it.
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18:14<stderr>Open a terminal. Type "traceroute -n" (without the ") and press enter.
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18:14<chealer>mammutpanzer: it's quite difficult to buy a PC making sure it will be well supported by Debian. Do you want a laptop or desktop?
18:15<Frogec>stderr: i`ll do that next time
18:15<stderr>SynrG: It's know as WiMax in some countries.
18:15<stderr>(You can add Denmark to the list...)
18:15<SynrG>stderr: ah, wimax i know.
18:16<Frogec>SynrG: that`s the way i`m connected
18:16<chealer>Frogec: ah. is the modem provided by your ISP?
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18:17<Frogec>chealer: yes
18:18<stderr>Frogec: Do you happen to live near a harbor?
18:18<Frogec>but they told me that problem is here, not with them
18:18<Frogec>wait, i must translate `harbor` :)
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18:18<babilen>it is also spelled "harbour"
18:18*babilen runs
18:19<stderr>One of my friends dad lives near a harbor and he's on some kind of wireless. He often disconnect if there's a ferry...
18:19<Frogec>no :)
18:19<chealer>Frogec: are you sure the device your linked to is your modem? that doesn't look wireless
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18:20<Frogec>to be honest, i don`t understand question?
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18:21<chealer>Frogec: What kind of cable goes in your PC? An USB cable?
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18:22<Frogec>wait, i`m trying to find it
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18:23<babilen>maybe it would make sense to start with the logs first
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18:24<Frogec>i can not open them
18:24<Frogec>something is missing
18:25<chealer>Frogec: that link doesn't work (too long for IRC?)
18:25<Frogec>it`a a LAN cable
18:25<dcraig>it worked for me; I got pictures of network cables
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18:26<stderr>Frogec: ?
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18:28<terrible96>so debian wheezy gonna be the new stable release for a long time????
18:29<Nirgal>terrible96: looking at previous cycles, one would guess about 2 years ...
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18:29<Frogec>it seems like i`ll have to make provider to come here and check it out
18:30<Frogec>is it possible that debian wheezy is the problem?
18:30<Frogec>just wanna know that
18:30<stderr>Frogec: Yes, but I highly doubt it.
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18:31<Frogec>hm, what could be the problem?
18:31<chealer>Frogec: we'd need to know more on your setup to tell. I can't see how you's use WiMAX and have an Ethernet cable in your PC if your modem is a DSL modem with a USB plug.
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18:31<Frogec>not USB
18:32<chealer>mammutpanzer: please do not send messages in private unless they're personal
18:33<mammutpanzer>Okay but I can't talk about IceCat in here I was told I should stop it.
18:33<chealer>mammutpanzer: IceCat is at version 17 as you can see here:
18:33<chealer>mammutpanzer: Firefox is at version 22
18:34<Frogec>why i can`t see logs?
18:34<chealer>Frogec: is a USB device, as you can see in the name
18:34<stderr>Frogec: What command are you trying to use? What error message do you get? Are you root?
18:35<babilen>(or a member of the "adm" group?)
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18:36<mammutpanzer>Chealer Iceweasel is at version 17.0.7
18:36<Frogec>stderr: i`ve said `something like this`, shape is like this but it`s LAN cable
18:37<stderr>Wrong nick?
18:37<Frogec>stderr: i`m not in terminal
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18:37<Frogec>old school, right clik - open and nothing
18:37<chealer>mammutpanzer: in a sense, but version 22 is in experimental
18:39<babilen>not for stable/wheezy -- those are maintained by the mozilla maintainers at (as mentioned about an hour ago)
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18:40<chealer>Frogec: does your Internet connection come from eth0?
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18:41<Frogec>here says wired, unmanaged
18:41<terrible96>how to install mpeg-4 aac decoder debian squeeze???
18:42<Frogec>why there is no option to set connection manualy?
18:42<chealer>Frogec: do you have a single network card? If so, what is the address of eth0?
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18:43<stderr>Frogec: There are. /etc/network/interfaces, "ifconfig", "ip"...
18:44<Frogec>well, don`t know how to do that in terminal
18:45<Frogec>is this what you ask `Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:f3:63:2c:d1 `?
18:46<Frogec>and it`s not single
18:46<chealer>Frogec: that's the MAC address. what I wanted was the IP address. could you pastebin the whole output of # ifconfig; ?
18:47<Frogec>ok, here
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18:47<Frogec>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:f3:63:2c:d1
18:47<Frogec> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
18:47<Frogec> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
18:47<Frogec> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
18:47<Frogec> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
18:47<Frogec> RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
18:47<Frogec> Interrupt:16
18:47<Frogec>eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:17:31:72:a6:69
18:47<Frogec> inet6 addr: fe80::217:31ff:fe72:a669/64 Scope:Link
18:47<Frogec> RX packets:160490 errors:0 dropped:93 overruns:0 frame:0
18:47<Frogec> TX packets:129686 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
18:47<Frogec> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
18:47<Frogec> RX bytes:151189759 (144.1 MiB) TX bytes:19254092 (18.3 MiB)
18:47<Frogec> Interrupt:17
18:47<Frogec>lo Link encap:Local Loopback
18:48<Frogec> inet addr: Mask:
18:48<Frogec> inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
18:48<Frogec> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
18:48<Frogec> RX packets:26 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
18:48<Frogec> TX packets:26 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
18:48<Frogec> collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
18:48<Frogec> RX bytes:1844 (1.8 KiB) TX bytes:1844 (1.8 KiB)
18:48<Frogec>ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
18:48<Frogec> inet addr: P-t-P: Mask:
18:48<Frogec> RX packets:58999 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
18:48<Frogec> TX packets:56545 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
18:48<Frogec> collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
18:48<bzed>!tell Frogec about paste
18:48<Frogec> RX bytes:45885345 (43.7 MiB) TX bytes:7681261 (7.3 MiB)
18:49<babilen>Frogec: Stop it!
18:50<babilen>Frogec: Paste to and *not* into the channel. Also *please* finally paste some logfiles (dmesg output + /var/log/messages and /var/log/daemon.log) -- you naturally have to be root or a member of the "adm" group to read them as mentioned earlier
18:50<chealer>Frogec: "pastebin" is not a synonym of "paste"
18:51<babilen>Frogec: We also have to see your pppoe configuration and you should provide additional details of that. but first and foremost: Paste logs when you lost connection.
18:51<Frogec>sorry, first time i see this way of paste
18:51<babilen>good night
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18:52<Frogec>ok, good night
18:52<chealer>Frogec: did you check plog?
18:52<chealer>I'm going to eat. bbl
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18:53<Frogec>i would check my log if i could open them
18:55<chealer>Frogec: hum, you're probably lacking permissions to see these files as your regular user. just check plog(1) anyway
18:55<babilen>or be root or even better add yourself to the adm group
18:55<babilen>but meh
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19:03<Sammy123>I'm missing loop support in my kernel - at least I guess I do. How do I check whether I really miss it, and if so, how do I compile the necessary kernel module?
19:04<Frogec>it`s unbelivable but i`m ROOT ans still cannot see, i understand arrogance so f u babilen. chealer thanks for try. rest of you good night
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19:04<Sammy123>Oh dear ...
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19:09<vook>I just did a fresh install of 7.10 XFCE on an Intel Desktop on Board system. Immediately after boot - within 5 lines after "Loading initial Ramdisk", the display goes to sleep. I've tried single user mode, VGA=2, noacpi. This was working early actually with a different distro. Any ideas?
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19:10<Nirgal>Sammy123: I don't really know. But here it's a module, and shows with "modinfo loop".
19:11<Sammy123>Nirgal: Dang it, I don't have it. modinfo says "could not find module loop"
19:11<Nirgal>It could be built in, not as a module.
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19:12<Sammy123>Nirgal: I doubt it, because when I do mount -o loop, then it says "Could not find any loop device."
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19:13<Nirgal>Sammy123: Nowodays, I'm lazy and Debian prebuilt kernel has all I want. ^^
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19:14<Sammy123>apparently it's in util-linux, which is not installed. strange, as soon as I ask here, I start finding answers by myself and feel stupid :(
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19:21<Nirgal>make menuconfig will ask you about building loop as a module and so on.
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19:54<vook>This is maddening - display goes straight to sleep immediately after boot. It's doing it on a 3.9 backports kernel now as well.
19:55<sney>kernel framebuffer is setting a mode your monitor doesn't support
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19:57<vook>How do I get around this? I've tried single, noacpi, vga=2... I found a similar issue on here (on an ubuntu msg board).
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19:58<vook>well, that site mentions the issue - seems to indicate that its a problem with the gma500_gfx module.
19:59<Sammy123>Nirgal: I can't find the option for the module :/ Kernel 2.6.32, maybe it's not included in that one
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20:05<vook>This seems to be a better description of the bug:
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20:08<stderr>vook: IRC supports longer URLs. It's not twitter.
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20:09<vook>stderr: I wouldn't know, I've never used twitter. I've been using IRC for 20 years though. When did this change stderr?
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20:10<stderr>Nothing changed. Just saying you don't need to use those short URLs.
20:10<vook>so no pastebin anymore ?
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20:11<vook>ah, Its been advised to me for a long time to do so out of courtesy - so I can drop a 3 line URL in here and no one will complain eh?
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20:11<stderr>Most pastebins have the name right in the domainname. could point to anything.
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20:12<dondelelcaro>it's fine to use url shorteners if the url is long
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20:12<vook>I can't imagine you an authority on this stderr
20:12<vook>thanks dondelelcaro
20:12<stderr>vook: I'm not. Just saying could be anything.
20:12<vook>of course
20:13<dondelelcaro>(and it's also fine to not use them if you don't want to, also)
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21:06<emi>Would anyone be willing to answer a quick newbie question?
21:06<Nemoder>is it still possible to update say.. debian 4.0 to stable?
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21:07<emi>It's not a problem, just asking a bit of advice. I want to install a package that's in the unstable repository. Would it be okay to just install one thing and still have a stable system?
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21:08<Sammy123>babilen: You were right to refuse to help me with my network drive
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21:08<Nemoder>emi: depends on the package, i would check backports first
21:09<n4rf>dependes on what the heck you are going to install
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21:09<emi>Okay, how should I go about this? I heard about backports and I added in " wheezy-backports main"
21:09<emi>is that right?
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21:11<Nemoder>emi: I think that is right, were you able to aptitude update?
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21:12<emi>I just wasn't sure if I had the right backports repo. it discussed squeeze backports main and wheezy
21:12<emi>I guess it's not in there then
21:12<themill>Nemoder: you can't skip releases in the upgrade process, so you need to go via lenny and squeeze to get to wheezy. It's certainly possible, but at some stage it might be easier to reinstall.
21:13<emi>Okay, so.. i'll try adding in unstable repo and doing apt-get install -s and see what all it would try adding in if I do it. I should be safe with that right?
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21:14<Sammy123>emi: Which package are you trying to install?
21:15<Nemoder>themill: ok, i guess lenny isn't in the main repot, can i just point it at the archive?
21:15<emi>mudlet version 2.1
21:15<themill>dpkg: tell Nemoder about lenny sources.list
21:15<emi>I ask cause I forgot to uncomment out unstable once and ended up mixing packages and causing some problems.
21:15<themill>Nemoder: btw uninstalling peripheral packages or ones you don't need any more makes the process easier
21:15<themill>and faster
21:15<emi>So, now i'm paranoid about it.
21:15<Nemoder>it's a pretty minimal server install
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21:16<Sammy123>dpkg: tell emi about default release
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21:19<emi>Sorry, that confused me. I've got no clue what that really does.
21:19<Sammy123>emi: It tells apt-get and aptitude to not mix the packages if possible.
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21:20<emi>oh, okay
21:20<Sammy123>emi: Basically, it tells them which release to use if both releases provide packages.
21:20<Sammy123>emi: You still can install the package from the other release by using the -t flag
21:21<emi>okay, so it'll save me from accidentally mixing up unstable with stable when getting packages after adding in the unstable repo?
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21:22<Sammy123>emi: Well, it makes it at least easier to not mix them. You still should be as careful as possible. This endavour answers your question, btw: Getting packages from unstable is dangerous for that very reason - dependencies can get your system corrupted.
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21:24<emi>Yeah, I was trying to be really cautious with that. Last time I forgot and installed kopete from unstable and it installed about 200 packages that ruined my experience.
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21:24<Sammy123>emi: Yep, that's what makes a day a lost day :/
21:25<Nemoder>just look at what it wants to upgrade, if it's xorg or libc you are likely to have a bad time
21:25<emi>hrm okay. I'll try using -s to simulate rather than make changes first and see what it wants to install. Hopefully nothing can go wrong with that.
21:26<Sammy123>Nemoder: I'm *so* careful concerning anything around libc ... that broke my system once too often!
21:26<themill>emi: you're not trying to mix wheezy with sid are you?
21:26<emi>I think I might be.
21:26<themill>I'd strongly recommend against doing so
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21:27<themill>!wheezy/sid mix
21:27<dpkg>No, you should not try to mix wheezy and sid. Doing so is going to lead to tears and you'll struggle to find anyone to help you sort out your mess. Ask me about <bobbitt>, <simple sid backport>, <>.
21:27<emi>what is bobbitt?
21:27<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Wheezy, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
21:28<themill>(that made more sense when woody was a current release of debian)
21:28<themill>emi: specifically, what outside of wheezy are you looking for?
21:28<emi>lol yeah. It does deliver a powerful message of caution though.
21:28<Sammy123>themill: I just realized that, it's still hilarious ;)
21:29<emi>I was just wanting to install mudlet 2.1
21:29<Nemoder>sometimes less hassle to just build it from source
21:30<emi>it's got 2.0 in stable but, it won't work with my stuff on it and had a few nasty bugs that 2.1 fixed.
21:30<themill>,checkbackport mudlet
21:30<judd>Backporting package mudlet in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual.
21:30<themill>dpkg: tell emi about ssb
21:30<themill>emi: it looks like a trivial backport to build from the debian package.
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21:32<emi>I wish I knew how to do that stuff.
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21:33<themill>emi: dpkg just gave you some step-by-step instructions -- ask when you get stuck
21:33<Sammy123>dpkg: I love you.
21:33<dpkg>I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/
21:35<emi>I'm trying to get it to tell me about deb-scr sid. I'm just managing to confuse him though.
21:35<themill>check your spelling
21:36<emi>oops. Yeah, that helps a lot. heh
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21:43<icelite>where is the Indian support channel on Debian
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21:44<dpkg>[in] India. For Debian India, see #debian-in
21:45<icelite>ah ok
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21:51<emi>Okay, so i'm on step 3 of dpkg's step by step
21:51<emi>I just issue all of that at once?
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21:52<themill>yeah, should work
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21:53<emi>okay, step 4 looks confusing but, I'll get to that after I do this.
21:53<someothernick>switching over from ubuntu. Is there a way to use the current version of firefox? Some of the addons I like dont run on iceweasel 10.0.12
21:54<themill>someothernick: the current version of iceweasel in wheezy is 17; you can get iceweasel 22 from
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21:58<emi>okay, i got met with some unmet dependencies.
21:59<themill>emi: can you pastebin the command and the full output
21:59<emi>okay. I aborted when it said that I didn't have the ones I needed
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22:00<someothernick>themill, thanks. I'll check it out.
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22:03<someothernick>themill, works great. thanks for the help
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22:05<themill>emi: odd. can you pastebin the output of "apt-get build-dep mudlet"
22:06<emi>okay, here's the output form that.
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22:09<themill>emi: hmm... can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libx11-6; apt-cache policy"
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22:12<themill>emi: ok, that looks fine. Do that "apt-get build-dep mudlet" and keep going
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22:13<themill>(you need to do an "aptitude safe-upgrade" at some stage too by the looks of things)
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22:14<emi>Okay, i'll do that after this then. I noticed I had duplicates somewhere.
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22:16<emi>what does apt-get -b source do?
22:16<emi>it's the last part of step 3 I need to do. Just curious what it actually does
22:17<someothernick>it fetches source and compiles it
22:17<emi>ah, okay
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22:18<emi>hmm, it's showing a lot of warnings. Is that normal?
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22:19<someothernick>compile warnings?
22:19<emi>TLuaInterpreter.cpp:8805:1: warning: control reaches end of non-void function [-Wreturn-type]
22:20<emi>stuff like that. I actually have a suspicion it's repeating it's self over and over..
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22:20<emi>I'm seeing this one a lot
22:20<emi>TimerUnit.h:41:27: warning: when initialized here [-Wreorder]
22:20<themill>emi: yeah, they're unlikely to be an issue.
22:20<someothernick>emi, that is normalish. errors are the dealbreakers
22:21<emi>okay, I'll stop worrying then. :D
22:21<themill>emi: you can compare to the compilation on sid if you want --
22:21<emi>unless it never stops doing this.
22:22<themill>compilation on the buildd took 20min
22:22<emi>okay, yeah this looks like what i'm seeing.
22:23<emi>I've never compiled anything so this is all new to me.
22:23<emi>I just saw "Warning" and went.. crap!
22:25<someothernick>The warnings are the compiler's way of 'warning' the programmer that s/he may be making an error. By the time the code is released to us, it should compile fine.
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22:31<emi>okay it finally finished
22:31<emi>now, step 4 install the resultant debs
22:31<emi>how does it want me to install these?
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22:31<someothernick>im curious, what guide are you following?
22:32<emi>following what dpkg told me
22:33<mlubin> /msg dpkg paste
22:33<themill>emi: dpkg -i mudlet*deb
22:33<emi>So, I just found some tar files in my home directory
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22:33<themill>emi: there should be a .deb archive there too
22:33<emi>okay. there's the deb.tar.gz file..
22:34<emi>i've only got three. orig.tar.gz debian.tar.gz and one called dsc
22:35<emi>Sadly though, I was trying to get version 2.1 and all of these are 2.0. I'm so confused.
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22:36<emi>oh, wait.. it shows 2.1 in terminal
22:36<emi>okay, I found them. It must have installed it to my current directory.
22:36<emi>I was in /etc/apt
22:37<themill>ahh... the build steps don't require root privileges . You probably want to move mudlet* somewhere else
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22:43<emi>okay moved all that to a folder I created in my home folder
22:43<emi>so, to install the deb I just do dpkg -i mudlet*?
22:43<emi>directory yeah
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22:44<dvs>rm emi
22:48<someothernick>rm = remove (files)
22:48<emi>Yeah, that would suck.
22:48<emi>it's working now looks like. :D Thanks
22:48<emi>now to comment out that sid repo..
22:51<emi>damn.. why do I keep doing that. :(
22:51<dvs>huh? You upgraded before commenting out the sid repo?
22:51<themill>emi: didn't you only have a "deb-src" entry for sid?
22:52<themill>emi: you can just leave that there if you want
22:52<emi>Yeah, I'm not too sure what the difference between deb-src and deb entry is.
22:52<themill>emi: one has the source packages (that you can download and compile -- you don't install source packages); the other has the binary packages that you could try to install
22:53<emi>oh, okay. That makes me feel a bit safer.
22:53<emi>last time I had sid on there it wasn't deb-src and I forgot to comment it out. It broke me.
22:54<dvs>sure it would
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22:57<emi>awesome. It's working as it should from what I can tell. Thank you all for the help. I feel so much better that I didn't attempt mixing sid with stable. :)
22:58<dvs>you kinda did. ;-)
22:58<emi>but in a safer way right?
22:58<emi>whew. Yeah.
22:59<someothernick>debian is almost 20
23:00<someothernick>i remeber trying (and failing) to install hamm in highschool
23:01*dvs gets an Infomagic CD
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23:04<someothernick>time to fire up virtualbox i guess
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23:25<emi>I hope gnome3 becomes as customizable as gnome2 was sometime soon.
23:25<icelite>isn't gnome 4 out?
23:25<emi>i'm not sure
23:26<icelite>Anyone here use Xchat ?
23:26<someothernick>im using it
23:26<icelite>how is it?
23:26<icelite>as a cleint ?
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23:27<emi>i use it but, I don't know how to do much of anyhthing with it.
23:27<icelite>why not?
23:27<someothernick>it seems good enough. awfully touchy when adding new servers though
23:27<icelite>its easy
23:27<icelite>and the default
23:27<icelite>How is it touchy someothernick ?
23:28<emi>is there a way to adjust the sensitivity of my touchpad? I feel like it's scrolling or moving every time i go to type.
23:28<someothernick>icelight: minor nitpick: when adding a new server to a network, you need to press enter before closing the dialog or it will not save your changes
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23:28<someothernick>icelite, only really annoying thing I've found
23:29<someothernick>emi, are you using gnome or kde/
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23:30<wangzheng>what ?
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23:31<emi>okay, it seems to be working now. I guess I had to move them around before it took effect. They were both all the way down by default yet, it was really touchy.
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23:32<someothernick>emi, if you want to tinker
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