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00:15<logman>i'm having trouble installing debian on my desktop with the iso that has the non-free firmwares on it
00:15<logman>i cant get it to connect to any mirrors
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00:15<logman>can someone help me figure out what i'm doing wrong?
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00:16<Supaplex>what drivers do you need? are you sure they're on the cd/dvd?
00:16<logman>well i tried the vanilla install dvd with the driver binary on a flashdrive and still got the same thing
00:17<logman>they're realtech uhh
00:17<logman>one sec
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00:17<logman>rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
00:17<logman>that
00:18<themill>firmware-realtek in wheezy does carry that firmware
00:18<logman>so i shouldnt be having this much trouble?
00:18<logman>maybe its something else then
00:19<logman>i mean, yes thats the package i used
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00:20<logman>i placed the file firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb in the root of my flashdrive
00:20<logman>does that filename sound right?
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00:34<logman>i'll be afk. gotta go drive somewhere
00:34<logman>any help would be appriciated
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01:06<darkapp>hi does anyone here know how to install otr on my xchat?
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01:10<brightstone>Give me one moment/
01:11<torguy>k brightstone
01:11<torguy>ill brb in 10 actualy
01:11<brightstone>https://encrypteverything.ca/index.php?title=Setting_up_OTR_and_Pidgin_for_encrypted_chat_on_Facebook,_Google_Talk,_and_IRC%28among_others%29
01:11<brightstone>This should work.
01:11<brightstone>I'm not clear on the specifics
01:14<torguy>thats a plugin for pidgin
01:16<torguy>also completely unrelated, found this awesome plugin for xchat but i dont know how to load scripts
01:16<sney>the xchat menu has an item called "load plugin or script"
01:17<torguy>ok figured out my problem
01:17<torguy>forgot to call it .py
01:17<torguy>just occured to me i did that
01:18<sney>xchat supports tcl and perl scripts as well as python so make sure it's the right one
01:18<torguy>ya its a python script
01:19<torguy>says that on the website anyway
01:19<sney>ok
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01:20<torguy>http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xchat+otr&searchon=names&suite=raring§ion=all
01:20<torguy>on the otr thing from earlier^
01:20<torguy>but capt-get install xchat-otr produces nothing
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01:21<torguy>E: Unable to locate package xchat-otr
01:21<sney>torguy: are you using ubuntu or debian?
01:21<torguy>debian
01:21<themill>xchat-otr was added and then removed
01:22<torguy>is there a way to do it through the repository?
01:22<torguy>under a diffrent name perhaps
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02:31<logman>i'm having trouble installing debian on my desktop with the iso that has the non-free firmwares on it
02:31<logman>i cant get it to connect to any mirrors
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02:32<logman>i placed the file firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb in the root of my flashdrive, does that sound correct?
02:32<logman>and the firmware is rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
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02:33<lOOza>put the files into a folder called realtek
02:33<jm_>the point of an image with firmware included is that you don't have to do that yourself
02:33<lOOza>had the same problem with my laptop
02:34<logman>jm_: sorry i tried both. i just copy pased this
02:34<logman>both with same results
02:35<lOOza>do you have the firmware files in a realtek folder ?
02:35<lOOza>for me it did the trick
02:35<logman>so create a folder called realtek in the root of my flashdrive abd put the .deb in?
02:35<lOOza>not the deb
02:35<logman>the .fw?
02:35<lOOza>that .bin or .fw where the installer ask for
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02:35<themill>any of these approaches should work
02:36<lOOza>ye the .fw
02:36<lOOza>i guess it will ask for a .bin file as well
02:36<logman>ok. where do i find the .fw? can i extract it from the deb?
02:36<deepak>ddddd
02:36<lOOza>im not sure about that...
02:37<jm_>logman: installation guide has notes about this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en
02:37<lOOza>cant remember where i got these files
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02:37<logman>would it be in the sources or tarball?
02:37<lOOza>what file does the installer ask for?
02:37<logman>well anyways i'll look around
02:37<logman>rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
02:38<lOOza>yay i still have that file
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02:38<lOOza>1 second
02:38<jm_>logman: most r8169 driven cards don't even need a firmware
02:39<logman>well i cant connect to any of the mirrors so something is wrong
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02:39<jm_>you can inspect things on tty2
02:40<logman>ahh ok
02:40<logman>can i switch over to that with the graphcal install running?
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02:41<lOOza>logman :
02:41<lOOza>http://www.file-upload.net/download-7933360/rtl8168e-3.fw.html
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02:41<logman>tyvm m8
02:41<jm_>should work, try ctrl-alt-f2
02:41<lOOza>maybe the installer will ask for more files
02:42<logman>its all good. i think you guys pointed me in the right direction
02:42<lOOza>try to put the file in the /realtek/ folder on your flash drive
02:42<logman>i'm going to try this out. thanks for the help.i'll report in later
02:42<lOOza>:)
02:42<jm_>it should be in / or in /firmware
02:43<logman>i'll do all 3 then
02:43<logman>rofl
02:43<lOOza>jm_ didnt work for me
02:43<lOOza>for me it had to be in /realtek/
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03:12<massi>Hi all.
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03:16<Khades>hi
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03:21<logman>well i cant figure it out
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03:22<logman>i guess i'll try booting with my atheros usb wlan
03:22<logman>:/
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03:30<logman>i give up for now
03:30<logman>fuggit
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03:31<jm_>did you inspect it on tty2?
03:31<logman>yeah
03:31<lOOza>logman
03:31<logman>hi
03:31<lOOza>where do you hang on
03:31<lOOza>dont give up!
03:31<lOOza>:D
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03:32<logman>i was going to continue tomorrow
03:32<logman>trying the live cd now
03:32<lOOza>ah ok
03:32<lOOza>did it eat the file?
03:32<logman>no
03:32<jm_>what did you inspect?
03:32<lOOza>maybe it asks for an other file what is called similar to the first 1
03:33<logman>ah that could be true
03:33<lOOza>there are more files you have to feed your machine :)
03:33<logman>well i looked at tty2 but didnt really undrstand some of the things
03:33<logman>i could tell that i wasnt getting a reply frome the dhcp server
03:34<logman>even after i manually input the network settings
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03:34<lOOza>rtl8168e-3.fw was the first
03:34<lOOza>just feed it with the stick
03:34<logman>did you have the stick in before you turn the pc on? or did you wait for it to ask and then put the stick in?
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03:35<jm_>well then it's not s surprise it doesn't work
03:35<jm_>not a*
03:35<lOOza>you can put it is when it asks for the files and press retry
03:35<lOOza>or whatever
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03:36<lOOza>as first it asked you for rtl8168e-3.fw
03:36<lOOza>maybe it asks you for the next file when it loaded the first 1
03:36<logman>yeah. i will read it carefully next time. i'm just really tired right now lol
03:36<logman>i understand
03:36<lOOza>ok
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03:36<logman>i thought the same thing before
03:36<lOOza>good luck for tomorrow then :P
03:36<logman>but i was like screw it
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03:37<lOOza>ye i messed around at this point for hours too to get my laptop running
03:37<lOOza>:D
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03:58<logman>i'm starting to think that its not the firmware that causing the problem
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04:02<jm_>that's what I said earlier - most desktop r8169 driven cards don't need a firmware
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04:03<jm_>but we had a person here last week who couldn't get link with the 3.2 kernel
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04:05<logman>lspci says RTL8111/8168B
04:05<logman>if that means anything
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04:07<zxc>Hi. How can it be that Iceweasel in Jessie(10.0.12) is older than in Wheezy(17.0.7)?
04:08<weasel>security update.
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04:10<logman>is there a command during install that i can use to enable my nic or something?
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04:11<jm_>start by checking if it's detected: dmesg|grep eth ; ls /sys/class/net ; ifconfig -a ; ... and if there's ethtool (I somehow doubt) included, check for link status with that (although some drivers announce that in dmesg too)
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04:19<logman>will post an img of the result
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04:23<logman>http://imgur.com/a/dqZGf#0
04:24<jm_>what about ifconfig?
04:24<logman>not found
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04:31<jm_>ahh it has ip command; ip addr ls
04:32<jm_>maybe try configuring an IP with it and see if you can ping your router
04:32<logman>ok will try
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04:34<jm_>ip addr add w.x.y.z/netmask dev eth0
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04:35<logman>ty
04:36<logman> /24 is 255.255.255.0 right?
04:36<Maulkin>Yup
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04:39<logman>no luck
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04:41<logman>tried ip link set eth0 up with no luck
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04:44<jm_>it's already up according to dmesg
04:44<logman>hmm k
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04:47<jm_>does it say link is down (in dmesg) if you try that with down?
04:48<logman>it looks like its the same garbage
04:48<logman>in dmesg
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04:50<logman>ip route list shows 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.0.45
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04:52<jm_>can you ping your router?
04:53<jm_>and you'll need a default route too
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04:55<logman>can not ping my router. i have been trying
04:55<logman>let me try with default route
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04:56<jm_>do you have the firmware fiel it's looking for?
04:56<jm_>you don't need default GW to ping a router (well at least if your settings are correct)
04:56<jm_>file*
04:57<logman>i do have the fw file
04:57<logman>how do i add the default route?
04:58<jm_>ip route add default via gw_ip dev eth0
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04:58<jm_>if you really have the fw file then try reloading the driver
04:59<logman>how do i reload the driver?
04:59<jm_>maybe put it in /lib/firmware/rtl_nic too
04:59<logman>also the fw file is in my flashdrive, which is in my computer
04:59<jm_>rmmod r8169 ; modprobe r8169
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05:00<jm_>that's where installer looks for it yeah, but not kernel/udev/whatever
05:00<logman>it returned without error
05:00<logman>what does that mean
05:01<jm_>check dmesg now
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05:01<logman>ok. also are you saying to put the fw in /lib/firmware/rtl_nic on my flashdrive?
05:02<logman>i think something happenbed in dmesg
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05:02<lOOza>put the fw file in a folder called /realtek/
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05:02<lOOza>on your flashdrive
05:02<logman>i did.
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05:03<logman>i have 4 copies of the file
05:03<lOOza>does is ask again for the same file?
05:03<logman>it doesnt ask for any more files
05:03<lOOza>hmm
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05:03<logman>i have one copy in / one copy in /firmware one copy in /realtek one copy in /rtl_nic
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05:03<jm_>logman: no, /lib/firmware/rtl_nic literally
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05:04<jm_>what do you see in dmesg? did driver reload? what does it say about firmware?
05:04<lOOza>i guess it will also ask for a .bin file
05:04<logman>AH theres something about firmware here
05:05<lOOza>what comp do you have?
05:05<lOOza>i had same problem on compaq laptop
05:05<logman>unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rt18168e-3.fw (-2)
05:05<logman>its a custom desktop
05:06<lOOza>hm ok
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05:06<logman>which doesnt help matters at all lol
05:06<lOOza>try /realtek/rtl_nic/rt18168e-3.fw
05:06<lOOza>:P
05:07<logman>good idea
05:07<logman>i'll try that later
05:07<lOOza>when you put it the usb stick and boot
05:07<lOOza>does it ask again for rt18168e-3.fw ?
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05:08<logman>nope
05:08<lOOza>or maybe an other file
05:08<logman>nope
05:08<lOOza>hmm
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05:08<logman>do you think maybe an empty flashdrive would change anything?
05:09<lOOza>maybe try to format the usb stick to fat32
05:09<logman>its already in fat32
05:10<lOOza>hm should work then
05:10<jm_>did you put it in /lib/firmware?
05:10<logman>oh sorry
05:10<logman>i forgot to ask. how do i move it from my flashdrive?
05:11<logman>or how do i see the contense of my flashdrive rather
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05:13<lOOza>no idea :P
05:13<jm_>type mount on tty2
05:13<jm_>see where it's mounted
05:13<jm_>and don't move it, copy it
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05:17<logman>hmm i still do not know
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05:26<logman>i think i'll ftp it in
05:26<logman>or wget
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05:27<logman>huh.
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05:28<logman>i see rtl8168e-3.fw in /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/
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05:28<logman>its already there
05:28<logman>jm_
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05:29<logman>jm_:
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05:30<logman>oh wait duh. i cant ftp it in. no connection
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05:35<logman>i dont think its mounting
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05:37<p-a>hello all
05:38<p-a>hello all
05:38*p-a away
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05:40<logman>haha oh shit i manually mounted it
05:40<logman>making progress
05:40<logman>look at me linux pro
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05:47<jm_>logman: installer should mount it since it needs files from it ...
05:48<logman>hm
05:49<logman>no luck still
05:50<ewet>hi, I've upgraded a pretty much neglected machine after some time and now it seems wifi is permanently down. it seems I have a kernel with rfkill but no userland tool for it. uname is 'linux debian-2.6.32-5-486'
05:50<logman>i will reboot and try that thing that l00za said
05:51<logman>maybe search for the fw file myself just to make sure
05:51<ewet>debian version is 6.0.6
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05:52<logman>i dont know much but have you tried dhcpcd?
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05:53<logman>or uhh ifconfig wlan0 up
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05:53<logman>ewet:
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05:55<ewet>ifconfig wlan0 up gave me an error like 'operation not possible because of rfkill'
05:56<ewet>it seems the device is down by default but I don't have a means to bring it up ...
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05:56<jm_>even if you use the rfkill tool?
05:56<ewet>I don't have it that's the point
05:57<jm_>well duh, install it
05:58<stdhell>And while you're at it, consider upgrading to wheezy.
05:58<ewet>my point is that this is a new development. I should have it installed in the first place. why did thing break with the upgrade?
05:59<jm_>how would we know? it's not our system
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06:00<SynrG>ewet: rfkill is not required for the proper operation of your system. your system will have its own means of toggling wifi off/on. however, it is convenient to use the rfkill tool to both display the rfkill state and change it.
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06:00<ewet>ahh okay
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06:00<SynrG>ewet: as for how it got in that state ... as was said, hard for us to guess :)
06:00<ewet>so it's just the default behaviour that changed
06:01<SynrG>i don't think so
06:01<SynrG>more likely your finger rolled accidentally onto the rfkill switch :p
06:01<ewet>yeah I tried that a million times already - to no avail
06:01<ewet>it's not that
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06:02<SynrG>yes, but if you've also tried multiple other things, the *current* report of "operation not possible because of rfkill" is due to it being toggled off
06:02<SynrG>i can't say what the other issue(s) were
06:03<SynrG>ewet: incidentally, what model is your system?
06:03<stdhell>ewet: You said you upgraded the machine recently? But you also said it's running 6.0.6 (squeeze and not even the latest version of that). Are you sure the upgrade was a success?
06:04<ewet>stdhell: not really sure ...
06:05<SynrG>with eeepc, there are a pair of possible kernel modules to handle it. and in squeeze, wmi was not functional on many (most?) models, requiring a workaround in kernel params
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06:06<SynrG>without the appropriate kernel module loaded, i don't think rfkill toggling from the OS worked at all.
06:07<logman>problem hopefuly solved for me. i will try the 4.4gig install dvd
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06:10<ewet>hmm, so it turns out the rfswitch was part of the problem. because now wlan0 up says 'no such file' or directory. which I would assume means my firmware is missing ... this is strange because the whole wifi was set up with everything including firmware
06:11<ewet>I have an intel centrino wireless and yes I need a firmware for this and yes I had it installed when I set this up. lsmod looks good
06:11<jm_>check what the driver says when it's loaded (dmesg)
06:12<SynrG>i'm not sure what you mean by 'wlan0 up' (ifup wlan0?) and 'says' (to stderr? to a log? if so, which log?)
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06:13<ewet>is 'iwlagn' a good way to grep for this?
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06:15<ewet>it's giving 'firmware file req failed' for a bunch of requests and 'could not read microcode'
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06:18<SynrG>microcode is irrelevant. that's the processor
06:19<SynrG>please don't summarize messages and give them to us out of context. it is far better to cut-and-paste and use paste.debian.net
06:19<SynrG>and include enough lines of context for us to see what's going on
06:20<ewet>I can't cut and paste because the machine has not network ATM
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06:20<SynrG>but obviously you have network somewhere. so ... use a USB and copy messages over through a text file
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06:22<SynrG>!iwlagn
06:22<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>.
06:22<SynrG>,v firmware-iwlwifi
06:22<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.38~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.39; sid/non-free: 0.39
06:22<ewet>yeah I did that a long time ago. the package is installed
06:23<SynrG>ewet: which pciid?
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06:24<SynrG>lspci -nn |grep -i network
06:24<SynrG>the [####:####] at the end
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06:25<fede>hi
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06:25<SynrG>ewet: and yes, support for you is hard because you're back at squeeze. get yourself to a place where you can plug into ethernet and upgrade the system to wheezy and you may fare better.
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06:26<ewet>8086:0083
06:26<SynrG>ewet: it may be that a squeeze-backports kernel & firmware solve the issue for you. however, there's hardly any point in doing that if you're just going to upgrade to wheezy.
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06:27<ewet>well here's my pastebin of dmesg
06:27<ewet>well here's my pastebin of dmesg | grep iwlagn http://pastebin.com/yjkVejE1
06:28<jm_>to me it looks like you're missing the firmware
06:28<ewet>jm_: yeah that's what it looks like ...
06:29<ewet>only it's always been installed and all I did was an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ...
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06:30<ewet>maybe it's wrong permissions on the files?
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06:30<SynrG>ewet: how about a find /lib/firmware -name 'iwlwifi.*'
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06:31<jm_>and dpkg -S /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-1000-3.ucode
06:32<jm_>maybe you have firmware-iwlwifi from bpo
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06:33<jm_>which has 1000-5 but not 1000-3
06:33<SynrG>hence my showing firmware versions above. sorry if my intent wasn't made explicit
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06:34<jm_>yeah
06:34<ewet>yeah - I have a /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-1000-5.ucode but not 1000-3 ...
06:34<jm_>that means I won't have to reuest dpkg -s :)
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06:35<SynrG>ewet: so your problem is somehow you isntalled the firmware from backports but not the kernel from backports
06:35<SynrG>installed*
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06:35<ewet>hmm
06:35<dawid>hello, which wifi router do you recommend in wifi router with adsl anne
06:35<SynrG>ewet: you can either upgrade to the kernel from backports or downgrade the firmware to the one from wheezy
06:35<SynrG>er
06:35<SynrG>squeeze*
06:36<dawid>annex a with minimum 1 usb port
06:36<dawid>and multi ssid
06:36<SynrG>dawid: it's a bit off-topic for here. and hard to know what to recommend anyway since you didn't explain your requirements.
06:37<SynrG>dawid: debian systems don't care what wifi router you have
06:37<SynrG>so it's not a debian support issue
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06:38<fede>sorry if i join that, i would like to create my own wifi-router with some arm pcb. One wifi dongle how many connections can host?
06:38<dawid>i'm finding a good wifi router with modem annex a and 2 usb ports and multi ssid
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06:39<ewet>well apt-cache however says the source is firmware-nonfree wouldn't it indicate a backport source?
06:39<dawid>but i dont found allready a good device for 70$
06:39<ewet>apt-cache show firmware-iwlwifi that is
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06:40<jm_>ewet: package name is the same, look at version
06:40<SynrG>ewet: aptitude versions firmware-iwlwifi
06:41<dawid>i had allready thinking about home network server on debian, but this may be brought much power
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06:41<SynrG>ewet: perhaps you still have the old squeeze firmware-iwlwifi in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
06:42<SynrG>ewet: if you do, you can downgrade to that without having to fetch files onto a usb key
06:42<SynrG>ewet: in case you've lost it in the scroll:
06:42<SynrG>,v firmware-iwlwifi
06:42<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.38~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.39; sid/non-free: 0.39
06:43<ewet>wasn't there some apt/policy command that let you see where packages would come from (priorities and all)
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06:43<SynrG>ewet: apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi
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06:43<SynrG>and yes, if you have broken policy, you could automatically upgrade to the wrong version :p
06:43<SynrG>backports is pinned by default so you won't accidentally upgrade things to it
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06:47<ewet>apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi http://pastebin.com/kwuzKiiB
06:47<SynrG>!pastebin.com
06:47<dpkg>pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
06:47<SynrG>but looking anyway ...
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06:47<SynrG>ok. wtf? you are running a squeeze kernel
06:48<SynrG>this policy says you have the wheezy version
06:48<SynrG>so apparently you don't have a wheezy kernel. hence all your problems
06:48<SynrG>wheezy system + squeeze kernel = fail
06:48<gsimmons>SynrG: ewet appears to be tracking "stable" instead of a codename.
06:48<SynrG>indeed :)
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06:48<ewet>oh shit ... right
06:48<ewet>that's it!
06:49<SynrG>ewet: can we please see your whole 'apt-cache policy' output and also the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ?
06:49<SynrG>so if you've truly upgraded your whole system (minus the kernel) already to wheezy, just install linux-image-amd64 (assuming that's your flavour)
06:50<SynrG>that metapackage depends on the specific "current" kernel for your release
06:50<SynrG>also i recommend s/stable/wheezy/ in your sources.list to avoid future confusion
06:50<SynrG>then you won't be automatically upgraded from the current stable to next stable without you planning it
06:51<SynrG>if you're downloading the metapackage + specific kernel package from another system, you will need to look at all the metapackage dependencies and download those too
06:51<ewet>so what happened was: system got set up with 'stable' in source.list, got upgraded a couple of times, then neglected, then today I did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade (! not dist-upgrade) -> F**KED UP
06:51<SynrG>fun stuff
06:52<SynrG>so at this point you can grab the kernel pkgs, ferry them over via USB ...
06:52<SynrG>get wifi working again
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06:52<ewet>I want a simple life!
06:52<SynrG>finish the upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade
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06:52<SynrG>ewet: and a pony!
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06:53<SynrG>but maybe at this point, just go pour yourself a drink
06:53<ewet>yeah.. now that I know - I was just wondering how am upgrade could mess up things so bad ... now I do
06:53<SynrG>take a few deep breaths, put on some nice music, and forge ahead
06:54<jm_>ewet: you've basically performed most of the first step of upgrade to wheezy, you'll see that once you read release notes :)
06:54<ewet>is 'stable' a default or does source.list usually track a specific version?
06:55<SynrG>there's nothing wrong with having stable in there, per se.
06:55<ewet>jm_: fun part?: I read the release notes and was asking myself: why am I reading release notes... yeah the mornings ....
06:55<SynrG>had you had the unversioned metapackage for the kernel installed, you would be OK
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06:58<SynrG>tbh, i don't know which way the default is set
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07:01<ewet>well anyway ... I'm going to neglect this box for some time (it's used to it) and then I'm probably downloading a debian dvd, put it into source.list and do a proper dist-upgrade that should bring things into a consistent state again. I'll see from there what I really have to do with the wifi
07:03<SynrG>ewet: you needn't do the complex dep checking i said. probably just installing the one specific kernel pkg is fine
07:03<SynrG>,kernels
07:03<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc7-686-pae (3.10~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-1-686-pae (3.10.3-1); jessie: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.9-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.9.6-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
07:03<SynrG>ewet: that is, get linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 (again, assuming amd64 is your flavour)
07:04<SynrG>but after you get wifi working again, i do recommend you install linux-image-amd64 to make future upgrades go smoothly
07:04<SynrG>it's less hassle than going the dvd route :p
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07:05<ewet>true
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07:06<ewet>SynrG: but still somehow /etc/debian_version still says 6.0.6 so there's really not been an upgrade ...
07:07<jm_>there has been, but not dist-upgrade
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07:07<ilogicallus>http://serverfault.com/questions/267099/terminal-only-shows
07:08<ewet>jm_: that's what I mean, hence my plans
07:09<ilogicallus>I have that problem, I tried "chsh -s /bin/bash" with both root's password and the user session's password and no luck it returns "chsh: PAM: Authentication failure"
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07:10<jm_>you can run chsh as root for another user
07:10<ewet>okay, thanks guys. we've removed a lump and put a tumor in it's place. it's been a pleasure ...
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07:12<ilogicallus>jm_: just did it
07:12<ilogicallus>let me try reset session
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07:14<illogicalus>it worked, thanks.
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07:15<jm_>no worries
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07:47<fede>a small debian pc with a wifi card/dongle can act as access point+router? there is a limit in number of wifi connected devices?
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07:48<Stummi>yes. no (afaict).
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07:53<fede>thx Stummi
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08:00<nevyn>fede: there are practical limits in the 10's
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08:00<nevyn>as wifi is a shared carrier. adding nodes can lead to various problems (including hidden node etc.
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08:07<blast007>fede: additionally, not all cards/dongles can act as an AP. You'll want to ensure the one you pick supports Master Mode.
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08:11<fede>blagora, thank you very much, i missed that info (and could have wasted money)
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08:11<fede>ouch, tab failed.. i meant blast007 :D
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08:13<mark>hi, could somebody gimme some advice about dash arrays? bash syntax doesn't work and my google-fu seems not so good in this case. Thanks for answer.
08:13<blast007>fede: another fun fact is that some companies release new versions of their dongles with different chipsets inside without changing their model number, so sometimes even buying one you think is supported might turn out not to be :)
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08:14<nevyn>dlink have done this numerous times
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08:14<mark>:O lol, that's cool, you know what you're buying ....
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08:15<fede>*ouch* O_O
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08:16<fede>gtg, c u
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08:21<peter1139>hmm, is there a way to automatically rebuild my /etc/pam.d files after a system upgrade?
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08:24<kardan>mark did you read man dash?
08:26<mark>kardan, yes little bit and also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Bashism and I'm bit "confused" because of this - "Arrays are not defined by POSIX (but are present in ksh); there is no easy general workaround for arrays." and than there is an example with eval o_0
08:27<mark>is better solution to use for example .ini files or .csv
08:27<mark>?
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08:30<stdhell>mark: Depends... What problem are you trying to solve?
08:31<mark>stdhell, I'm writing some bash scripts to automate debian installations, so for example I would somewhere have list of packages I'd install
08:32<mark>stdhell, I know that I can use dpkg --get-selections > blah and other stuff, but that's not what I want
08:33<mark>I think in few hours I'll have some first version, so I'll share link and will look forward for advices, comments and so on
08:33<stdhell>So something like... for package in foo bar baz ; do echo install $package ; done
08:33<stdhell>Replacing echo install $package with apt-get or aptitude...
08:34<mark>yes something like that
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08:48<kardan>peter1139: I assume they should be updated during installation by post-isnt scripts etc.
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08:51<kardan>peter1139: but maybe I miss what you are up to
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08:54<zathras>Hi. I want to be able to send the output of a script run through sudo to go to a /var/log/mylogfile.log. I had a go with tee and added that to sudoers yet I fail to be able to write to /var/log
08:54<zathras>what is a better approach or how can I fix this please?
08:55<stdhell>Are you running the script or tee using sudo? Or both?
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08:57<zathras> sudo myscript | tee -a /var/log/mylogfile.log > /dev/null
08:58<stdhell>Try sudo myscript | sudo tee -a ...
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08:58<zathras>nasty. that helps
08:58<zathras>thanks for pointing out the obvious ;-)
08:58<Frogec>how can i copy large process form terminal?
08:59<ksk>output redirection?
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09:00<kardan>zathras: you could also use 'sudo tail $log &' instead of tee
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09:00<zathras>k. ty
09:00<stdhell>kardan: tail doesn't append anything to the log... So no, he can't.
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09:01<zathras>I stick with tee. It is clear how it works and still I have to add something to sudoers for alternatives so I see no advantage
09:01<stdhell>And sudo myscript > myscript.log wouldn't work either, since the shell (tries to) open myscript.log before sudo is run.
09:02<zathras>yup. Tried that one first and failed :P
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09:02<kardan>stdhell: complete it would maybe look like "sudo script 2>&1 >> $log; sudo tail -f $log", no?
09:03<stdhell>Won't work.
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09:03<zathras>normally tail is used for reading and your line makes things way more complex than needed
09:03<stdhell>The shell tries to open $log before sudo is started.
09:03<zathras>never the less, all feedback is appreciated
09:04<peter1139>kardan, problem was they were manually edited long ago, so not automatic, and now out of date
09:04<peter1139>however, i ran pam-auth-update --force
09:04<stdhell>sudo -s "script >> log" might work... But personally I have used "sudo tee -a" before too...
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09:06<kardan>what about: sudo su -c "script 2>&1 >> $log; tail -f $log &"? Ok .. there is no win in this syntax :)
09:07<bfmt048>how to install sublime text 2 in ubuntu 11.10 \n \l
09:07<stdhell>kardan: You can skip the tail. It's not needed. (The output of tee -a is directed to /dev/null)
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09:08<stdhell>kardan: sudo su -c "..." is more or less the same as sudo -s "..." as far as I can tell.
09:08<kardan>peter1139: that's often a problem with manually edited config. I think there is no way to automate this.
09:09<stdhell>The first one might use a process more than the second...
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09:10<kardan>zathras: do you want to log/show STDERR as well?
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09:11<stdhell>kardan: He doesn't want to show stdout, so the answer is probably "no". :-)
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09:11<stdhell>kardan: I think you're misunderstanding his use of tee -a.
09:12<kardan>stdhell: right, I supposed he will miss any error in the script then.
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09:13<stdhell>kardan: You're right, they won't show up in the log. But they will show up in the terminal.
09:14<Frogec>if anyone wants to look, here is this problem thaht appear every few minutes. http://paste.debian.net/23432/
09:15<HRH_H_Crab>hi ive got a problem with my shell globbing - not too sure where to look.
09:15<HRH_H_Crab>seems to be working fine for root but for my user "ls *" is returning: ls: cannot access *: No such file or directory
09:15<HRH_H_Crab>can anyone steer me in the right direction?
09:15<stdhell>kardan: If he wanted to log both stdout and stderr to the same file, something like sudo script 2>&1 | sudo tee -a log >/dev/null should work.
09:15<Apollo>does ls \* work HRH_H_Crab
09:16<HRH_H_Crab>Apollo: nope
09:16<HRH_H_Crab>returns the same error
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09:16<stdhell>kardan: If he wants to log to different files, something like sudo -s "script >log 2>errlog" should work.
09:16<zathras>stdhell, kardan , if I add /dev/null they will probably never show. However is something is shown it is redirected to to process starting the script which is a backuptool (bacula) and it will send output (if any) to me through email
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09:17<zathras>*if
09:17<HRH_H_Crab>Apollo: "find . -name *" works though
09:17<HRH_H_Crab>and "ls *" works find for root
09:17<HRH_H_Crab>so its a per user thing
09:18<stdhell>HRH_H_Crab: Are you running that command in an empty dir?
09:18<stdhell>Or one that only has dot-files?
09:18<stdhell>And what shell are you using?
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09:19<HRH_H_Crab>stdhell: im using bash
09:19<HRH_H_Crab>and yes it might only have dot-files
09:19<HRH_H_Crab>let me double check
09:19<stdhell>* doesn't match dot-files...
09:19<HRH_H_Crab>lol
09:19<HRH_H_Crab>man what an idiot i am
09:19<HRH_H_Crab>you live and learn!
09:19<HRH_H_Crab>thanks for solving a puzzle that was really freaking me out! :P
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09:20<stdhell>And don't use .* instead. :-) It matches . and .. too. :-)
09:20<HRH_H_Crab>stdhell: its cool its not supposed to. i was running a one liner on various machines
09:20<HRH_H_Crab>it worked on most of them because the directory did not only have dotfiles.
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09:32<czxczx>wheres some place with help?
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09:32<slush>help for what
09:32<slush>if you have questions about Debian, just ask
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09:33<czxczx>with linux and
09:34<czxczx>maybe ocmputers overall
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09:35<czxczx>i remember in 1997 there were some help channel on irc
09:35<czxczx>is there still such a thing
09:35<txt-file>it would be easier for us if you would just ask your questions
09:35<zathras>yes, now there are many. Each related to subjects. So you need to ask specific relevant questions
09:36<Stummi>there are some meta-channels on freenode like ##hardware, not sure about oftc
09:36<czxczx>i am using ubuntu 12
09:36<Stummi>!ubuntu
09:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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09:41<kardan>HRH_H_Crab: if you want to match dot-files you can use ls -A|grep FILE
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09:43<Stummi>or use dotglob
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09:45<stdhell>Or .??*
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09:47<Stummi>stdhell, won't match .a ;)
09:47<stdhell>True...
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09:56<NasseR>سﻻم
09:56<NasseR>سلام
09:56<NasseR>احد هنا
09:56<NasseR>hi
09:56<NasseR>any body here ?
09:56<stdhell>No.
09:56<NasseR>:)
09:57<daemonkeeper>!ask
09:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:58<nmeum>!ar
09:58<dpkg>methinks ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
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10:01<andrew3>Hi there, I'm quite confused at the moment. Because while running iftop it seems that I have multitudes of outgoing connections to odd ip addresses. What would be causing this? Is my system compromised? It's all very odd to me.
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10:02<Nemoder>andrew3: try netstat -tupan
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10:05<andrew3>Hmm, nothing out of the ordinary. But what would be causing all the ips displayed by iftop?
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10:09<andrew3>I've probably grabbed the complete wrong end of the stick here. Is there something obvious I'm missing? They all seem to be generic ISPs telemach.ba, hol.gr, ziggo.nl etc?
10:09<SynrG>nmeum: for future reference, !arabic
10:09<SynrG>nmeum: otoh, i go to that channel and it's empty :p
10:09<nmeum>SynrG: ah
10:09<SynrG>well, on oftc
10:10<SynrG>there's one on freenode, though
10:10<SynrG>(almost completely empty)
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10:12<Nemoder>andrew3: you could use tshark for more detailed analysis for anything new sent out
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10:14<ichdasich>andrew3: ps aux is your friend. Take a look if there is something suspicious.
10:14<ichdasich>andrew3: another thing: netstat -pan
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10:15<kardan>how can I add memchk to the grub menu?
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10:20<SynrG>!arabic
10:20<dpkg>مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar
10:20<SynrG>any arabic speaker want to fix that? it should say @ irc.freenode.net
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10:20<SynrG>and possibly also linux misspelled "linix"?
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10:20<SynrG>(according to google translate anyway)
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10:22<kardan>there is no 20_memtest86+ in /etc/grub.d as said in http://dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
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10:24<plett>Hi. I see from http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2013/msg00145.html that security update for Iceweasel isn't supported in oldstable. I understand why that is, but I didn't know it was the case. Is Iceweasel the only package in this state, or is there a list of the unsupported packages somewhere?
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10:25<kardan>https://wiki.debian.org/Grub[2] are rather sparse about it
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10:26<plett>Would #debian-security be a better place for that question?
10:27<ksk>why would one use oldstable on a desktop system?
10:28<Stummi>the right-to-left thing looks a bit broken with xchat
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10:29<plett>ksk: I'm not, Iceweasel not being supported doesn't affect me at all. It's more the concept that there can be unsupported packages on a supported release, and if there are any other packages in that state as I have a number of servers still on squeeze that I haven't upgraded yet
10:30<SynrG>Stummi: separate issue, i guess
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10:32<Stummi>SynrG, it doesn't really matters since I am not in chans with right to left text. Just noticed it with the arabic text
10:32*SynrG nods
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10:39<gsimmons>kardan: Is the memtest86+ package installed? It provides that configuration file (which is automatically used/registered).
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10:41<christos>hlo\
10:41<ksk>plett: good point, and an interesting question
10:41<christos>where are you from?
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10:42<christos>hey
10:44<plett>ksk: I might drop an email to the security team to ask
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10:48<kardan>gsimmons: thanks, that was it.
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11:24<nmeum>when I connect to my debian server using ssh the sshd on my server needs more then 2min to respond and ask for my paraphase, does anyone know how I could fix that?
11:25<Sicelo>could be your network has too much latency..
11:25<Sicelo>do ssh -vv ... it will show you what's happening at each stage of the login attempt
11:25<zathras>or your server is running out of resources
11:26<nmeum>Sicelo: no. I can connect without any problems to my other debian server
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11:26<nmeum>zathras: it has a lot average of 0.12
11:27<nmeum>*load
11:27<zathras>that is probably the CPU. Check also Mem
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11:28<nmeum>zathras: according to htop it is using 162 of 397MB ram
11:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 605] by debhelper
11:30<nmeum>and other stuff that runs on that server responses within a short time e.g nginx
11:30<ksk>how about ssh -vv as you ware told?
11:31<zathras>check auth logs to see if sshd is being abused through dict attacks
11:32<nmeum>ksk: it outputs nothing unusual
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11:32<nmeum>zathras: where can I find the log file?
11:33<zathras> var/log/auth.log
11:33<nmeum>hm
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11:34<zathras>also check syslog and messages for potential issues
11:34<nmeum>I think the proplem is ipv6 specific…conneting via ssh -4 is rather fast
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12:02<motgif>hello
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12:23<arand>What's the best way to handle permissions for a git post-update hook that should put stuff on a website? Currently /var/www and everything below is root:root... should 1. the git user own the files? 2. www-data own the files and git be a memer of that group? The git user have some setgid binary that's used for writing the specific items to that location?
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12:24<arand>I'm using gitolite so the post-receive/update hook will be run as a single "git" user.
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12:27<arand>(redirect to arand__ please :)
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12:31<info-flo>teste
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12:31<babilen>TEST FAILED
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12:53<kardan>is this something to worry about: mtrr: base(0xe4000000) is not aligned on a size(0x5000000) boundary
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13:00<kardan>seems to be related to DRI
13:00<dejan123>hi, how can I export mysql database ?
13:02<mark>mysqldump -uusername -pPassword databasename > mydb.sql
13:02<dejan123>should I run mysqldump with sudo?
13:02<dejan123>it says permission denied
13:03<stderr>You might not want to write your password like that.
13:03<mark>mysql -uusername -pPassword
13:03<mark>use mydb;
13:03<mark>you might don't have permission for db you wanna dump
13:03<stderr>Or maybe it's the directory.
13:03<dejan123>I am root in mysql
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13:04<dejan123>what directory stderr I don't understand
13:04<dejan123>should I run mysqldump with sudo? maybe thatas why it says no permision
13:04<mark>and do you have permissions to directory you would like to write mydbdump.sql ?
13:04<mark>sure, you can use sudo for it
13:04<dejan123>no again permission denied
13:05<stderr>Where do you want to write the dump? Do you have write permissions to that dir?
13:05<mark>cd /tmp/ && mysqldump -uusername -pPassword databasename > mydb.sql
13:05<dejan123>why this happens?
13:06<mark>is there same permission deny err also with sudo?
13:06<dejan123>bash: db.sql: Permission denied
13:06<dejan123>with sudo is same
13:06<stderr>AHA!
13:06<stderr>That error is from bash, not mysqldump.
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13:06<stderr>You don't have write-permissions in that dir.
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13:07<mark>that's why I told him to cd /tmp/ o_0
13:07<dejan123>stderr, ye :S
13:07<dejan123>that was it
13:07<mark>work ends for today, so cu tomorrow
13:07<dejan123>well thanks alkl for help
13:07<dejan123>stderr, where you work and age if it's not a secret? :)
13:08<stderr>dejan123: Next time, give us the complete error message from the beginning.
13:08<dejan123>ok
13:08<stderr>It's not a secret... But it's also not relevant...
13:08<dejan123>I am curious
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13:11<dejan123>i have company
13:11<dejan123>you won't tell -_-
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13:12<retrospectacus>dejan123: this channel is for Debian support.
13:12<dejan123>for web dev courses etc
13:12<dejan123>so
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13:12<dejan123>someone pays you to help here? retrospectacus
13:12<dejan123>or..?
13:12<retrospectacus>dejan123: so stop saying things that aren't debian support
13:12<dejan123>is it official support channel for Debian project I want to know
13:12<retrospectacus>yes. support only.
13:13<dejan123>aha I see this is strictly channel for Debian support
13:13-!-Konrad127123 [~konrad@2a02:810c:80c0:359:7a92:9cff:fe3a:877c] has joined #debian
13:13<dejan123>aha so care to answer my quewstions retrospectacus ?
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13:13<retrospectacus>dejan123: did you ask a debian support question?
13:13<dejan123>lol
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13:14<dejan123>retrospectacus, I don't like this
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13:14<redshadowhero>This is volunteer support only. People here give support out of the kindess of their heart.
13:14<dejan123>you know retrospectacus keeping secrets from people will lead you nowhere
13:15<dejan123>retrospectacus, sorry but I find that hard to believe
13:15<retrospectacus>dejan123: continuing to be offtopic will lead you to the k-line
13:15<dejan123>retrospectacus, so I care?
13:15<dejan123>I am nice and honest here
13:15<retrospectacus>dejan123: if you want to be here, you should...
13:15<stderr>dejan123: You're also offtopic...
13:16<dejan123>well I am not sure now retrospectacus like if you are in charge in here I won't come anymore no need to kline whatever it is
13:16<retrospectacus>dejan123: it does not matter! there are other channels for talking about work or whatever.
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13:16<dejan123>whats matter retrospectacus you live life like this in secrets? :D
13:16<retrospectacus>dejan123: go to #moocows and ask where people are from. If you ask here you will be kicked for being off-topic
13:16<dejan123>haha relaxx
13:17<retrospectacus>no, if you ask me in a social channel I will tell you where I'm from. no problem
13:17<dejan123>I don't want from where you are
13:17-!-xiaokucha [~cha@111.196.160.247] has joined #debian
13:17<dejan123>I want to know if I belong here
13:17*mtn thinks this is what happens when kids are out of school
13:17<dejan123>in order to decide I need to know what is this
13:17*retrospectacus goes back to sleep
13:17<dejan123>^^
13:17<dejan123>do you understand any word that come out of my mouth retrospectacus
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13:18<dejan123>how can I see if this retrospectacus has access on this channel?
13:18<stderr>dejan123: This is the debian support channel. If you got a debian question, you can ask it here. If you want to talk about something else, this is not the place to ask.
13:19<dejan123>stderr, is retrospectacus operator here?
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13:19<ixi>dejan123 you are creepy
13:19<ixi>stop it
13:19<dejan123>stderr, in order for me to talk I need other human beign like normal etc
13:19<dejan123>haha grr
13:20<dejan123>A a amtter of fact im scared
13:20<stderr>You might want to act normal yourself.
13:20<dejan123>don't know wo I talk to where am I i sthis official Debian channel or what
13:20<dejan123>no info..
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13:20<dejan123>so no info on retrospectacus is he operator or no?
13:20<stderr>[19:12:54] <retrospectacus> yes. support only.
13:21<dejan123>you guys need to learn to act
13:21<dejan123>with manners to other people
13:21<stderr>You asked if this was the official Debian channel and he answered. What more do you need?
13:21<dejan123>if you want to do something in life
13:21<dejan123>have fun
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13:21<redshadowhero>dejan123: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ points to here as the 'official' support channel for debian general questions. https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc gives some guidelines which may help.
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14:08<nmschulte>For some reason Avahi is assigning my machine an IP address to iface eth0 when no cable is connected. I don't think this should be happening, am I correct?
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14:10<SynrG>nmschulte: sounds like normal behaviour for avahi-autoipd
14:10<SynrG>nmschulte: if you have that package installed, look at the package description
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14:11<SynrG>nmschulte: did it assign an ipv4 link-local address?
14:12<nmschulte>SynrG: Yes, 169.254...
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14:12<nmschulte>There is no carrier though. What's the purpose of a LL address if there is no carrier/link/cable even?
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14:12<plett>ksk: I've had a nice quick reply back from the security team. They pointed me at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security and http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/secure-testing/data/package-tags?view=markup as the lists of things that have limited support
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14:14<nmschulte>SynrG: bouncing the iface (ip link set eth0 down; '' up) seems to have resolved the issue. Avahi didn't assign me a LL addr.
14:15<nmschulte>I have been hibernating this machine for the past couple of weeks. I expect there is a bug in network-manager or such that caused avahi to kick in with an IP even w/out a carrier.
14:15<nmschulte>Oh wait... there goes avahi-autoipd...
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14:18<SynrG>nmschulte: i don't know. i've just seen that it kicks in and assigns one ...
14:18<SynrG>if you don't think you'll ever need link local addresses and just want it to not bother, you could uninstall avahi-autoipd ...
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14:19<nmschulte>I may, :).
14:19<SynrG>i've done that on my netbook. i've never needed it
14:19<SynrG>and it *did* annoy me
14:19<nmschulte>Or just disable the service at least.
14:19*SynrG nods
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14:20<SynrG>when i'm offline i want to be offline thankyouverymuch
14:20<SynrG>not "pretend" online
14:20<nmschulte>Anyway, I see that there are bug reports relating to what I'm seeing, and folks are suggesting that it is indeed a bug and improper behavior.
14:20<SynrG>aha
14:20<nmschulte>They're from 2007 though, so that's concerning.
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14:20<SynrG>well ... so the maintainer didn't agree it's improper behaviour?
14:20<SynrG>just because users say it's improper and a bug doesn't make it so.
14:21<SynrG>hence back to my first statement "this is normal for avahi-autoipd"
14:22<nmschulte>They aren't Debian bug reports, I should note. Some from Ubuntu/Launchpad, and some on GNOME.
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14:22<mshuler>zeroconf is really for dhcp-less, ad-hoc networking - plug everything into a switch and things should "just work" (or something along those lines)
14:23<nmschulte>Oh yeah, I'm aware of what Avahi provides; mDNS, etc.
14:23<nmschulte>I believe this is improper behavior; I'll just file a bug report.
14:25<nmschulte>http://linux.die.net/man/5/avahi-daemon.conf -- use-iff-running -- makes me believe this is improper behavior.
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14:25<nmschulte>I.e. when a cable is unplugged (no carrier, no link), avahi-autoipd shouldn't provide a LL addr.
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14:27<nmschulte>http://paste.debian.net/23502/
14:28<nmschulte>Should dhclient even be running when there is no carrier? I think this is a bug in network-manager, :/
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14:39<nmschulte>SynrG: It looks like NetworkManager isn't managing my eth0; problem solved.
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14:54<Ano_Nym_1111>hi, i've got a problem with a bad 3tb usb3 harddisk. it seems that the disk is physically damaged. i bought a replacement but its a few bytes smaller. tested to dd the bad disk and got io errors on the first ~1,4 MB of the disk, but the next 100gb seem ok.
14:54<Ano_Nym_1111>dumpe2fs -h alternative superblock is ok. debugfs open with alternateive superblock gives me "Can't read an inode bitmap while reading inode bitmap". is there a possibility to dump all recoverable files to a the new disk?
14:55<Ano_Nym_1111>any help would be great!
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14:57<kanliot>Ano_Nym_1111, it sounds like you just need the files
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15:04<Ano_Nym_1111>on the drive are vdr recordings. directory structure would be good, but the files are what i want, but if nothing is recoverable i can live with it, too.
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15:08<j4jackj>So, I ask, why am I banned from Debian-Offtopic?
15:08<j4jackj>or is there a metachannel?
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15:10<stderr>Ano_Nym_1111: Would it be possible to use e.g. rdd to copy as much as possible from the old drive to the new one?
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15:11<stderr>You say it's "smaller". How much smaller? Would it matter?
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15:17<Ano_Nym_1111>gdisk: new(Disk /dev/sdr: 732566528 sectors, 2.7 TiB); old(Disk /dev/sdq: 732566645 sectors, 2.7 TiB)
15:19<j4jackj>/dev/sdz and what next?
15:19<j4jackj>is it tda? or sdaa?
15:20<stderr>Ano_Nym_1111: If rdd can't be used, you could try magicrescue and/or photorec.
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15:20<Ano_Nym_1111>stderr: thank you, will read an try these tools!
15:21<stderr>No problem.
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15:22<stderr>j4jackj: http://superuser.com/questions/406272/maximum-amount-of-hard-drives-in-64-bit-linux
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15:23<j4jackj>noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
15:25<stderr>No, /dev/sdzzzzz...zzzzz
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15:50<nanda>hy all
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15:51<jollyroger>Hi. Does anyone have problems accessing cdn.debian.net or is it just me?
15:52-!-sitinavra [~sitinavra@athedsl-114864.home.otenet.gr] has quit []
15:52<r00t->jollyroger: works for me
15:53<r00t->http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com is a good site ;-)
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15:54<babilen>The whole idea of cdn.debian.net is that it resolves to different servers depending on the location of the user who is accessing the website.
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15:54<r00t->The clue's in the name I guess.
15:54<babilen>jollyroger: I typically use http.debian.net these days and it might very well be that the particular mirror cdn.debian.net resolves to *for you* is down.
15:54<r00t->Assuming you know what a content distribution network is.
15:55<r00t->jollyroger: your proxy might be down. try what babilen said.
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15:58<jollyroger>babilen: r00t-: thanks, I know the basics. But if we take in account the info from wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror DNS refresh should update server CNAME for me in less than 20 minutes. But it's not.
15:59<jollyroger>I wonder if there's a health check page for this service except http://cdncheck1.araki.net/status/alive
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16:00<r00t->erm isn't there an apt fastest mirror checker thingymahgiggy. Or am I getting confused with yum. Either way, relaible for me is just choosing a local mirror and hard-coding that in apt/sources.list
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16:02<stderr>r00t-: netselect-apt?
16:02<jollyroger>r00t-: do you mean netselect-apt? sometimes it's not that reliable.
16:02<r00t->I think so.
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16:03<jollyroger>unless you can hit that mirror admin directly.
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16:06<r00t->jollyroger: What is this balance mech. it uses? Tried to follow the URL but it's in japanese. Is this just round-robin DNS?
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16:15<r00t->On a more serious note. This bottle of wine is not really lasting that long :'(
16:16<windows>xd
16:16<windows>lol
16:16<windows>:(
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16:16<windows>ajjajajaj x-D
16:16<windows>no saben nada
16:16<ompaul>!offtopic
16:16<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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16:17<windows>descarge counter strike,gta vice city,bloody roar 2 y otro mas
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16:17<windows>jaajajjjaja
16:17<windows>...
16:17<windows>no saben nad
16:17<windows>nada
16:17<r00t->windows: are you really THAT bored? Why not install Debian. That will keep you occupied for a bit.
16:18<windows>you ?
16:18<r00t->Just seeing if the channel was full of idlers.
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16:18<r00t->sorry (wrong chan)
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16:18<babilen>!es-social windows
16:18<dpkg>windows: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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17:26<Ono>hi
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17:29<Ono>why in partman-crypto, in blockdev-keygen the keyfile is generated in this way? base64 < $randfifo | gpg $gpgopts 3< $passfifo > $keyfile
17:29<Ono>why base64 < $randfifo ??
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17:52<musca>Ono: base64 doesn't reduce the randomness, but it packs it in printable ascii
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17:53<Ono>musca, thanks!
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17:55<Ono>musca, so if I want to create a keyfile for cryptsetup (aes 256)..doing this in this way dd if=/dev/random of=/key bs=16 count=1 is not secure?
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17:56<Ono>sorry bs=32
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17:57<r00t->Ono: cryptsetup create --key-file keyfile e1 /dev/loop0
17:58<Ono>r00t-, but I don't want a loop device but a keyfile for luks (luksFormat)
17:59<r00t->Ono: in that case dd if=/dev/urandom of=/root/keyfile bs=1024 count=4
18:01<Ono>r00t-, why 4098 bit?The key size for AES 256 is 256 bit.. and why urandom instead of /dev/random?
18:01<r00t->Ono: /dev/random will take be from entropy pool. if pool is empty this operation will block until there is more in the pool.
18:02<r00t->urandom will be better for generating lots of pseudo random data without blocking.
18:03<musca>As a result, if there is not sufficient entropy in the entropy pool, the returned values are theoretically vulnerable to a cryptographic attack on the algorithms.
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18:03<retrospectacus>(man random will also tell you about that)
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18:04<Ono>r00t-, yes but is less secure...i'm planning to use debconf-entropy in my custom installer to ensure that there is enough entropy..
18:04<musca>and ivybridge has hardware random number generator
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18:05<Ono>therefore..for a dd if=/dev/random bs=1 count=32 need I 32 bit of entropy?
18:07<r00t->256 is 32 bytes so so count=32 will suffice yeah
18:07<r00t->i.e., bs=1 count=32
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18:09<Ono>thanks :)
18:09<r00t->Ono: welcome :)
18:09<stderr>printf "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\x4" > keyfile # Guaranteed to be random...
18:10<Ono>stderr, lol :)
18:10<r00t->Just don't tell 'em r00t made you do it
18:11<Ono>another question... here http://pastebin.com/M8ba45w7 there is a function from blockdev-keygen...why v3 key format needs 2925 bytes of entropy??
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18:15<r00t->Ono: might need to read RFC 1991 for that.
18:16<Ono>r00t-, thanks ;)
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18:20<barballs>hi all
18:21<r00t->Ono: looks like v3 requires 65 random keys (45*65 = 2925).
18:22<Ono>45?
18:22<barballs>I shutdown my computer and when i restarted I got an acpi_fakekeyd failure on boot which caused my Debian 7.1 to startup in terminal not Gnome.
18:22<barballs>I could not find anything useful on google.
18:22<barballs>Any thoughts?
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18:22<r00t->45 bytes of uuencoded random data * 65 keys
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18:23<Ono>r00t-, uhm...but why 45 bytes * key?
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18:23<Ono>instead of 32 or 16
18:23<djhongo>helloww
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18:26<r00t->Ono: I do not know.. just scanning the RFC now
18:27*r00t- is curious
18:27<barballs>Is it a bad idea in general to apply updates in linux?
18:27<r00t->barballs: in general, probably. in Debian, No.
18:28<barballs>did the usual agp-get update - upgrade
18:28<barballs>and now gnome-menus is broken ^^
18:28<barballs>gnome-menus-blacklist: not found
18:28<r00t->barballs: are you using pure debian stable source/package lines in apt?
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18:29<barballs>I edited my source list. let me confirm
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18:31<barballs>r00t- I have wheezy main contrib non-free then wheezy/updates main and the volitile version
18:31<barballs>in addition i ahve spotify and dotdeb
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18:32<r00t->not sure what dotdeb is, but what does apt-cache policy gnome-menus show? does it come from wheezy repo at debian?
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18:32<barballs>dotdeb.org is a package list for secure webservers.
18:33<Apollo>!dotdeb
18:33<dpkg>http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>.
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18:34<r00t->barballs: I don't think dotdeb is for secure webservers..
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18:34<r00t->But anyway, doesn't look like that repo has packages that has broken your install..
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18:34<barballs>installed: 3.4.2-5 Candidate: 3.4.2-5
18:35<r00t->barballs: I don't use X at all so can't really help you with the GNOME stuff. Maybe someone else can help :)
18:35<barballs>verstion table: debian.net.debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages
18:36<barballs>version table: http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages - sorry typo
18:36<barballs>r00t- its aimed at making scalable stable webservers
18:37<barballs>how secure anything is is ultimately down to the respective admin is it not? :)
18:37<barballs>Thanks for your help
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18:38<retrospectacus>barballs: does your system have /usr/sbin/gnome-menus-blacklist ?
18:38<j4jackj>r00t-: I use X less than I once did
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18:39<barballs>no retrospectacus. that folder only has two files in it
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18:39<retrospectacus>there should be ... at least 200 things in there, I'd say
18:40<retrospectacus>what did you do?
18:40<barballs>even on a new install?
18:40<barballs>bare in mind this linux install is only about 2 days old in use
18:40<retrospectacus>maybe 100 on a minimal install
18:40<barballs>in sbin?
18:40<barballs>usr/bin has loads
18:40<barballs>sbin only has 2 files
18:41<r00t->Ono: been lookin at the source to blockdev-keygen, looks like 45byte might derive from the size of the 32btye(urandom) uuencoded?
18:41<retrospectacus>in /usr/sbin/ I have between 110 and 250 across several machines
18:41<barballs>The only commands I have run have been sudo apt-get update
18:41<barballs>and sudo apt-get upgrade
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18:42<barballs>everything else is GUI with sublime text editor
18:42<Ono>r00t-, maybe..it's possible
18:43<barballs>can that folder be maliciously erased?
18:43<barballs>or would there be any point to that
18:44<retrospectacus>barballs: are you sure there is nothing in there? Like, vipw, service, useradd ... those should all be there
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18:44<retrospectacus>barballs: yes, and who knows what point if any
18:44<barballs>Linux was running fine. I had to switch to windows for a few days. (no windows updates) when I came back Gui lo longer loaded and had an acpi_fakekeyd missing
18:44<Ono>r00t-, thanks for the tips ;)
18:45<barballs>yes i did an ls -al there are two files in /usr/sbin/
18:45<barballs>both are php
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18:45<barballs>ooohhh
18:45<r00t->Ono: You're most welcome. Hope it helped.
18:45<retrospectacus>-.-
18:45<r00t->barballs: that's not good.
18:46<barballs>I wonder if something from dotdeb.org mucked up an install
18:46<barballs>I installed php 5.5.0 through apt using dotdeb in the sources
18:46<r00t->barballs: Regardless on whether they did or not you really really should stick to using debian sources. if you need to use somethign more recent take a look at backports
18:47<barballs>!backports
18:47<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
18:47<barballs>isn't 7.1 the latest branch?
18:47-!-tBKwtWS [~tBKwtWS@82-170-38-30.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:47<r00t->latest stable point-release
18:47<barballs>So am i up that particular creek without a paddle?
18:48<retrospectacus>barballs: if indeed there is nothing in /usr/sbin/ you should just reinstall. Hopeless to recover
18:48<barballs>wagh! :P
18:48<r00t->barballs: you have your data backed up?
18:48<barballs>Dammit. that's the shortest lived Linux install
18:48<retrospectacus>barballs: 7.1 is the current stable. certainly not the latest anything. But it is what you should be running for a production webserver (with security updates and backports)
18:48<barballs>Nothing of import on there yet r00t
18:48<barballs>funny thing is
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18:48<barballs>everything works
18:49<barballs>i can access it all
18:49<retrospectacus>so.. e.g. /usr/sbin/apache2 is running? even thoug it does not exist?
18:49<barballs>The only reason i noticed was the restart
18:49<barballs>(because it didn't boot into x)
18:49<stderr>X? On a webserver?
18:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 583] by debhelper
18:50<barballs>it's my local machine
18:50<barballs>I like GUI ;)
18:50<r00t->you could always install checkrestart. I've found a side-effect of that very useful package from debian-goodies is that it detects TROJAN programs
18:50<retrospectacus>webserver on a workstation. common enough.
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18:51<retrospectacus>barballs: but, you said it is working? As I asked, is /usr/sbin/apache2 running?
18:51<r00t->checkrestart will complain if it finds programs running that don't belong to any package ;-)
18:51<kardan>r00t-: thanks for sharing!
18:52<barballs>sorry not everything :) no apache. I ment the app i installed and gnome. even though the update has errors.
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18:52<r00t->barballs: reinstall. do a netinstall. only pull in what you'll actually use. all part of the fun.
18:52<barballs>ok So plan of action. pull home dir to make sure files are safe. then Re-install?
18:53<barballs>netreinstall r00t-?
18:53<barballs>possible to do through terminal?
18:53<r00t->barballs: You can't trust that box. Make sure you have copies of your configuration files and re-install.
18:54<r00t->You can do it through terminal sure, if you have remote console (VNC, SPICE MPMI)
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18:54<retrospectacus>it seems unfeasible that even a "dotdeb" package would mess up a system so badly
18:54<r00t->retrospectacus: it doesn't look like they even offer debs which could do that..
18:55<barballs>it's the only thing I've done recently and those are the only thing left in my sbin folder
18:55<stderr>r00t-: Any .deb _could_ do that.
18:55<r00t->stderr: sure. but I mean as advertised. I had a quick look at their package list but didn't inspect their debs ;-)
18:55<barballs>eugh. so stay away from .deb files?
18:56<r00t->barballs: stay away from untrusted thrid party repos
18:56<stderr>barballs: No, no...
18:56<r00t->s/thrid/third
18:56<barballs>does that include spotify?
18:56<barballs>:)
18:56<r00t->Heh. Can't comment on that one.
18:57<barballs>oh actually i ended up not needing the package
18:57<barballs>used the deb and old netsomething or other from squeeze
18:58<barballs>Well It's been a learning experience as always ladies and gents :)
18:58<barballs>hi ho hi its off to reinstall i go :)
18:58<stderr>Try not to mix squeeze and wheezy.
18:58<barballs>oh
18:58<stderr>And try to stick with official packages, if you can.
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18:58<barballs>question
18:59<stderr>answer
18:59<retrospectacus>42
18:59<barballs>;)
18:59<stderr>100%
18:59<r00t->barballs: if I can be a case in the pro .deb camp, if you stick to using packages SOLEY in Debian, you won't see anything stabler out of the thousands of distros out there. Just dont' mix olddtable/stable/testing/unstable. Stick to stable. Stick to debian repos.
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18:59<barballs>do I ALWAY have put sudo before apt?
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18:59<r00t->I'd even say it's stabler than CentOS but only because you can pay Redhat to stick on a point release for 2 years.
19:00<retrospectacus>barballs: no
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19:00<retrospectacus>barballs: e.g. "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache show" and various other subcommands don't require root permissions
19:00<r00t->barballs: Try again and don't let this minor hurdle put you off :)
19:00<retrospectacus>only the commands that will screw up your system need root ;)
19:01<barballs>I have to work on both windows and linux. and as such I have two western digial externals. I get one for free but the other I have to continually mount as root
19:01<barballs>r00t-: you should have been here for my initial install attempt
19:02<barballs>took 3 days :)
19:02<r00t->barballs: You're still here. It can't have been THAT bad :P
19:02<barballs>re-installed 4 times
19:02<r00t->hehehehe
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19:02<barballs>till i realized grub needed to go into /dev/sdc not a
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19:03<r00t->barballs: Hey. You now know your way around the installer :) I don't find the Software RAID part THAT intuitive... have stumbled at that a few times.
19:03<barballs>hehe ;)
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19:04<barballs>Ok well this time you lot can have a front row seat to the fun ;) talkin from my Mac. So DOn't have to "hang up"
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19:05<r00t->Hey. Am on my MacBook Pro right now. :) Love the full screen full colour terminal in Mountain Lion. Nice screen too ;-)
19:05<kardan>barballs: I didn't follow the whole story, but you could create a copy of / right after installation with dd next time. or maybe an auto install script could be worth the time :)
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19:07<barballs>OT: r00t-: I have to say I would love for linux to get the same level as OSx interms of Visual. kardan: that's not a bad idea. what's dd?
19:08<kardan>man dd :)
19:08<retrospectacus>data destroyer
19:08<barballs>"only the commands that will screw up your system need root ;)" that sould be on the box ;)
19:09<barballs>!dd
19:09<dpkg>rumour has it, dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>.
19:09<kardan>dd is definitively one of them
19:09<r00t->barballs: Not sure it's possible. You need, IMHO, more engagement with users to create user friendly products. Not really sure GNOME , KDE et al succeeded though had very talented devs.
19:09<r00t->retrospectacus: hah!
19:10<retrospectacus>barballs: privilege escalation is a basic topic that you should know.. in windows it's "that thing that says 'are you sure?' and you click OK without reading" but in Linux it is quite distinct (the root account)
19:11<r00t->barballs: if you're building a web server, you should seriously look into user rights. you don't want (in most cases) www-data having write access to /var/www
19:12<r00t->(as an example)
19:12<barballs>retrospectacus: lol I am well aware of windows User Access Control and I have a fit every time i see my wife dismiss it like you stated. ;)
19:13<r00t->barballs: of course windows implemented it badly in Vista so that it was typical of what gives security a bad name. Interferring with your workflow so much that you disable it.
19:13<r00t->barballs: Debian doesn't use sudo, but you can certainly just use the correct account for the task and only su if you get permisson denied :)
19:14<barballs>r00t- I use virtual hosts. so only sites are all contained in different directories generally under ~/Sites/blah.com/public/*
19:14<r00t->(by doesn't I mean can be configured TO DO SO)
19:14<r00t->barballs: OK but that's only directory level isolation right?
19:15<barballs>I've been using sudo on Debian almost exclusively
19:15<retrospectacus>I call that "ubuntu-style" - it's ok but not really what sudo is meant for
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19:16<r00t->barballs: If you use Mac OS X you're already familar with sudo?
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19:17<r00t->barballs: who has write access to /home/Sites/blah.com ? apache doesn't require it. Or does it?
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19:18<barballs>don't know what happened there
19:18<r00t->barballs: you got lost in the vortex :)
19:18<r00t->Cylons! Jump!
19:18<barballs>using irssi must have pressed a shortcut
19:19<stderr>barballs: May I suggest going a step further than keeping sites in ~/Sites/...? Maybe use a different account for each of them? E.g. ~blah/public_html/...
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19:21<barballs>seems a bit extreme for a local testing environment
19:21<r00t->barballs: hahaha :)
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19:22<r00t->barballs: is this a VM debian guest in a testing env?
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19:23<kardan>barballs: you can use "dd if=/dev/sdX of=/some/safe/place" to backup the root partition (/dev/sdX). Usually it's completely quiet but you can let it give a progress output with each 'kill -USR1 $pid'. To set the $pid start it with "dd <OPTIONS> & pid=$!" (that's on the manpage as well)
19:24<barballs>no This is just a tower in my office that's purely for simulating hosted site. http://blah.dev for example
19:24<stderr>kardan: Wouldn't it be easier (and use a lot less storage) to just keep a list of the installed packages and your own modifications?
19:25<barballs>using hosts file for "DNS"
19:25<r00t->though if it's a testing vm you wont care about / as you'll install quicker from original install media. your data (in this case maybe /var/www or a mysql db), however, you should backup. along with cofig files.and maybe a list of isntalled packages (dpkg --get-selections '*')
19:26<r00t->barballs: not really sure what happened to your install in this case, unless you sit next to Kevin Mitnick.
19:26<r00t->what stderr said...^
19:27<stderr>r00t-: Why '*'?
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19:27<r00t->stderr: list of installed packages
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19:27<r00t->dpkg --get-selections "*"
19:27<dpkg>r00t-: I give up, what is it?
19:27<r00t->heh
19:28<stderr>r00t-: Compare that output to dpkg --get-selections
19:28<r00t->stderr: Ah... OK. Spot on :)
19:28<r00t->Useless use of cat award lives... at least in spirit
19:29<stderr>r00t-: From the man page: "Without a pattern, non-installed packages (i.e. those which have been previously purged) will not be shown."
19:29<kardan>stderr: usually I choose the more complicated approach. but in this case dd easier for me. regarding the packages I use debfoster to have a list of my packages in /var/lib/debfoster/keepers. and yes, keeping a list of all modification of the system is much less complicated than a pure dd :P
19:29<r00t->stderr: :)))
19:30<r00t->stderr: going to change my backup scripts.
19:30<stderr>kardan: It's just that some people make a 40 GB / partition. After a fresh install that's almost empty, but the dd backup will still use 40 GB of space...
19:31<r00t->stderr: unless you zero it off
19:31<r00t->if you zero it off you can make it compress to the size of hte actual used dat
19:31<kardan>got me. rsync seems more suitable then.
19:31<stderr>r00t-: The command he used didn't use any compression.
19:33<stderr>One of the reasons I suggest keeping a list of packages instead of a "real" backup is that after you restore your dd or rsync backup, you would have to do an apt-get upgrade. Using the package list, you would already get the latest version of the packages during the restore, so no need to upgrade afterwards.
19:34<stderr>... And it uses a lot less space. :-)
19:34<r00t->stderr: what's a real backup? a backup of programs? why backup non-user-data ?
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19:35<stderr>Exactly. I wouldn't backup files I could easily get from the nearest debian mirror.
19:35<r00t->we use clonezilla at work. and I backup my kvm images using lvm snapshots over ssh using compression, but what's more useful to me is my list of packages, configuration files, and user-data (www, mysql data etc)
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19:36<stderr>r00t-: I think, we agree...
19:36<r00t->stderr: I think we do :)
19:36<stderr>... and there were much rejoice!
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19:36<r00t->hehe
19:36<kardan>how do you manage all the changes to /etc /var /boot and so on?
19:37*kardan always was too lazy for tools like bacula
19:37<r00t->I'e had way too much wine to drink and it's way past my bedtime. I bid you all a night night. Evviva Debian :)
19:37<r00t->kardan: even cp -a can be faster than rsync in certain circumstances.
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19:39<stderr>kardan: The fast and cheap version? Copy the original file to .BACKUP or .orig or whatever, edit the file and then a diff.
19:39<themill>,i etckeeper
19:39<judd>Package etckeeper (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. Version: 0.63; Size: 35.5k; Installed: 243k; Homepage: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/etckeeper
19:39<stderr>kardan: If you want something fancy, use a ... Yeah, what he said. :-)
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19:42<kardan>ok. but there are more things. for example I usually change /var/cache/apt/archives to a symlink on my external drive
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19:43<stderr>kardan: Some of us use a NFS mount for that. :-)
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19:46<kardan>yep, there are hundreds of little steps over time for a system which I usually can't remember or easily reproduce. So a simple copy of the drive is easiest for me. But still it's thumb like brute force.
19:48<stderr>That's why you don't want to remember those edits yourself. You do your edit, check that it works and then commit it to whatever version control system you're using.
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19:49<stderr>Extra feature: You also got a list of _why_ you made those changes... :-)
19:50<kardan>something like http://vijaysspot.blogspot.com/2011/03/git-truecrypt-dropbox-truly-geeky-way.html ? *g*
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20:05<kardan>this list seems rather incomplete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_configuration_management_software
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20:07<dondelelcaro>kardan: it's got at least the major players on it... but its' wikipedia; fix it if it's wrong.
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20:09<kardan>dondelelcaro: should I add dd :)
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20:19<barballs>installer progressing :)
20:19<barballs>slowly
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20:44<voltagex>hi, can anyone tell me what the format of the hashes in debian's .jigdo files are? The spec says md5 but they don't look like it
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20:59<stderr>voltagex: I think it's sha, but I don't have one available, so I can't check.
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21:01<Frogec>is it possible to add system monitor to panel on debian wheezy?
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21:03<Frogec>again...
21:04<Frogec>is it possible to add system monitor to panel on debian wheezy?
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21:06<barballs>linux lives again
21:06<barballs>:)
21:07<kardan>ever does in our hearts
21:08<barballs>i fogot I have to update gfx drivers again
21:08<barballs>and re install my apps .... grr :)
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21:55<n4dir>i just ran rkhunter -c, got a warning about unhide-tcp, ran aptitude why and searched the web. From where is the package coming?
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21:58<themill>rkhunter depends on it
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21:59<n4dir>themill, just found such info at stackoverflow. How come i didn't get such a warning before? Or has it been there, and i didn't see it?
21:59<themill>(or rather recommends it)
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22:00<n4dir>sorry, my fault. It was no warning but an "info: found ... unhide-tcp". my fault
22:00<n4dir>thanks for the info
22:00<themill>makes more sense
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22:06<barballs>question to the collective: how do I add a root level command for startup?
22:07<barballs>I need to have my external drives mounted on login. But I need root permission to do it.
22:08<barballs>so is there a way to stick "mount /dev/sdx1" somewhere so that will happen?
22:09<logman>i knew at one point but i forgot
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22:09<logman>i know its easy. its a file that you type in
22:09<n4dir>- /etc/fstab
22:09<barballs>thank you! :)
22:10<n4dir>good luck
22:10<logman>there you go
22:10<logman>anyone know how to get realtek RTL8111/8168B ethernet working?
22:10<scientes>logman, wired or wireless?
22:10<barballs>you need to add non-free to your source files
22:10<logman>wired
22:10<scientes>^^
22:11<scientes>firmware-realtek
22:11<scientes>from non-free
22:11<barballs>you can sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
22:11<scientes>http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-realtek
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22:11<logman>i already installed firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb
22:11<logman>if thats what you mean
22:12<barballs>you've done that already?
22:12<scientes>then you probably just need to reboot
22:12<barballs>yeah
22:12<barballs>what he said
22:12<logman>i've reboot a few times
22:12<barballs>oh
22:12<scientes>check you kernel logs
22:12<logman>how?
22:12<scientes>/var/log/kern.log
22:13<logman>ty
22:13<logman>nothing there
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22:14<logman>sec
22:14<logman>just realised i need root
22:15<barballs>su'd and ran "adduser username sudo"
22:15<barballs>exited termanal
22:15<barballs>still got not on sudoers file
22:15<barballs>do i need a restart for that?
22:16<barballs>ah
22:16<barballs>i need to log out
22:18<logman>my nic worked fine on the live cd. also what am i looking for in the kern.log?
22:18<scientes>logman, anything about firmware or realtek
22:19<barballs>logman did you get the notice when you went to do the insall about the nic?
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22:20<barballs>How I fixed the problem was http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-realtek/download
22:21<logman>i dont remember any notice
22:21<logman>i will look at your link
22:22<barballs>then from the zip I put the onl the firmware-nonfree > realtec > * onto a usb stick
22:22<barballs>it needs to find the rtl_nic/rtl8168e-*.fw file and then it works fine
22:22<barballs>It took me a few tries to get it but that's how I got it to behave for me
22:23<barballs>pain to have to reinstall but better to get it right on the install than fiddling after the fact ^^
22:24<logman>Oh. yes i tried that many times with no luck
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22:30<winsen>Hi all
22:30<winsen>please, is it correct to say 'Support Micro-Networks and Software'? thanks
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22:31<barballs>logman: Yeah the trick is to have only the folder level it asks for
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22:31<logman>so a clean flashdrive?
22:31<barballs>if it asks for rtl_nic/filenae then only drop in that folder and its contents
22:31<barballs>it does not need to be emptu
22:32<barballs>but the first folder it asks for needs to be at /
22:32<logman>yeah it asked for rtl_nic/filename
22:32<winsen>can you please correct my sentence above?
22:32<logman>and i put it in /rtl_nic/
22:32<barballs>yes logman :)
22:33<barballs>and it doesn't hurt to have all the files in that rtl_nic folder in there (not just the one you need)
22:34<logman>well the thing is, after i did that, it still wouldnt connect to any mirrors during the install
22:34<barballs>did it recognise the driver?
22:34<logman>i figured i would be able to fix it after i install
22:34<logman>well it didnt ask for it after i put the flashdrive in so i assume it recognised it
22:35<barballs>you need to keep an eye on it so you can see that "acquiring network address" etc go through
22:35<logman>it never did
22:35<barballs>are you behind any proxies?
22:35<logman>no
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22:36<barballs>if it never did any of that could it be possible that you accidentally clicked cancel or continue anyway kind of thing?
22:36<logman>no
22:36<logman>i tried way too many times
22:37<logman>i worked on this all of yesterday as well
22:37<barballs>Am afraid we are reaching the point where I am unable to help further (lack of knowledge)
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22:37<logman>its ok
22:37<logman>thanks for the help lol
22:37<barballs>I had the same problem and the steps i mentioned fixed it during install for me. Not sure after that :)
22:37<logman>i've been googling all day
22:37<barballs>no worries.
22:38<logman>was your flashdrive empty?
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22:38<barballs>the first time I did it. yes
22:38-!-boulhec is now known as n
22:38<barballs>today's intall: no
22:38<barballs>there was other stuff in there
22:38<logman>empty except for /rtl_nic/?
22:39<barballs>first time yes
22:39<barballs>second time no
22:39<logman>k
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22:39<logman>so it likely doesnt matter then?
22:39<barballs>correct
22:39<logman>ok
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22:39<barballs>as long as the exact file it's looking for is in that folder
22:40<logman>could you send me the file you used?
22:41<barballs>question: I modified my fstab and restarted set the settings to user auto rw yet it's not mounted. any thoughts?
22:42<barballs>logman: https:// www.dropbox.com/s/11qjutzqxbei75h/rtl_nic.zip
22:42<logman>tyvm
22:42<barballs>actually one sec
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22:44<barballs>logman: this is all of the realtec files put all of these in a usb stick https://www.dropbox.com/s/pbh0c94b3wei6dw/full_realtec_folder.zip
22:44<barballs>That is exactly how I did it earlier today
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22:53<barballs>ok does fstab run as root when set to auto?
22:53<barballs>oh yay!
22:54<barballs>it's working
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23:52<voltagex>here's an odd problem. I've got a wheezy machine that was unused for ages, just did a dist-upgrade to jessie and now shutdown won't work - poweroff/shutdown/shutdown -fn all have no effect
23:53<themill>unbreakable linux!
23:53<voltagex>themill: I'm about to kill it via removing power, but it's an interesting one to troubleshoot
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23:54<voltagex>that should be reboot -fn btw
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23:54<voltagex>themill: I can see the shutdown processes in ps fax, but shutdown -c can't find them...
23:54<themill>, #718930
23:54<themill>,bug #718930
23:54<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/718930 in sysvinit (open): «sysvinit: poweroff does no poweroff, it does reboot»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-08-06; last modified: 2013-08-06.
23:55<voltagex>HAH
23:55<voltagex>I missed that in listbugs, serves me right
23:55<themill>(claims to affect stable as well so it wouldn't be in apt-listbugs)
23:56<voltagex>I guess there's no way around this one for a while?
23:57<themill>Alt+SysRq is a possible fallback for you
23:58<voltagex>lucky I have physical access to the machine
23:58<themill>Why are you using -n
23:58<themill>?
23:58<voltagex>force of habit of many years
23:58<voltagex>also, I don't use that unless the machine is fubar.
23:58<voltagex>shutdown -h now or poweroff normally
23:58<themill>so "shutdown -h now" also doesn't work
23:59<voltagex>not sure how useful it is but I just toggled the mentioned settings in BIOS and it shuts down fine
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