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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-08-08

---Logopened Thu Aug 08 00:00:48 2013
00:00<voltagex>it's not "wake on alarm" for me
00:01<voltagex>it's wake on "power management event"
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00:11<voltagex>bah, it's working for me after resetting the bios settings
00:11<voltagex>I'll be no help to debug it
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00:41<egypt13moslem>Do skype,yahoo other chat and social communication prog work 2 spoil muslim's youth and spy 4 isreal&usa???????
00:41<egypt13moslem>do they record and analyse every word we type????????????
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01:28<voltagex>welp, freed up 1.5GB of space, accidentally removed desktop environment
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01:30<SamB>voltagex: you didn't really need that anyway
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01:30<voltagex>SamB: true, this machine is being repurposed to run docker containers.
01:30<voltagex>ah crap. What it did do was remove networkmanager
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01:32<voltagex>sigh, this is what happens when I switch to aptitude
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01:35<SamB>yeah, it does have those remove-everything sprees, doesn't it?
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01:36<voltagex>SamB: must have missed something in the interface. At least Debian stopped me removing the kernel.
01:36<voltagex>how do I associate to a WPA2 network manually?
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02:03<nevyn>voltagex: what kind of authentication does the network use?
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02:05<nevyn>how manual do you want to get.
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02:23<user01>does the original debian 0.01 release exist somewhere?
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02:24<themill>there was no debian 0.01 release
02:24<themill>!release history
02:24<dpkg>Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie.
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02:26<user01>themill, Debian 0.01 through 0.90 (August-December 1993)
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02:28<jm_>I remember trying one of those ;)
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02:29<user01>we are going to have a 20th birthday party for debian so i thought it would be fun to drag out some source code or something from 0.01
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02:30<user01>if it was ever out there
02:31<user01>0.01 debian before apt
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02:39<user01>jm_, debian 0.01 or buzz? :)
02:39<user01>jm_, i started with potato
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02:40<jm_>user01: whatever was on infomagic march 1994 CD-s IIRC, but I had some weird 486 system at the time which didn't work with ELF distributions, so I was stuck with Slackware for a while (which was still a.out back then), and then I switched to Debian starting with "bo", I think that was in 1997
02:41<jm_>later I found that 486 had a jumper to change memory mode which helped (it wasn't just ELF binaries that crashed, it was also unreliable in DOS with tools using extenders)
02:42<user01>jm_, nice, my earliest memory was trying to get sound card working on 9/11 until someone said "look at this"
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02:53<Borgbox>Is there a timeframe on the Iceweasel 17.0.8 esr now that FF has released 17.0.8 esr?
02:53<jm_>it's already available on mdn
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02:54<jm_>ahh and via security.d.o too
02:55<Borgbox>ah tyvm!
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03:00<Supaplex>how can I figure out which 21 files jigdo cannot find or download?
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03:18<pinguy>trying out this pinguy os
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03:19<Calinou>!based on debian
03:19<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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03:21<pinguy>im new to all this anyhow
03:21<pinguy>windows person
03:21<pinguy>but thinking of trying some this out on older machines
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03:24<dpkg>PinguyOS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. #pinguyos on See also <based on debian>.
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03:26<Supaplex>he's already /quit
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03:28<mgv>a downside of /ignoring quits
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03:37<DosSantos91>Hello, I added a self signed certificate to /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and after this I run the command update-ca-certificates --fresh, the cert was successfully linked in /etc/ssl/certs, but in my case I need also the hash symlink, how can I configure ca-certificates to add also the hash symlink?
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03:50<voltagex>hi, can anyone tell me what the format of the hashes in debian's .jigdo files are? The spec says md5 but they don't look like it (e.g. 6C9IkcvlYC8mjLhERixiSQ=Debian:pool/main/c/chardet/python-chardet_2.0.1-2_all.deb)
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04:07<Stummi>voltagex, to shot in the dark: Could be MD5 but shown as base64 instead of hexadecimal
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04:10<Stummi>(though as base64 it would miss an second leading =
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04:41<toabctl>how can I show a message during a package upgrade?
04:41<toabctl>is there a howto for that?
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05:00<dpkg>A proxy server is a system/application acting as an intermediary for resource requests from clients. See <http_proxy>, <ftp_proxy>, /etc/apt/apt.conf (man 5 apt.conf), <environment>. See also <apt-proxy>, <imapproxy>, <squid>.
05:00<dpkg>apt-proxy is a caching proxy for <apt>. See for more information. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #576821. For alternatives, ask me about <apt-cacher>, <apt-cacher-ng>, <squid deb caching>, <approx>.
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05:04<f8l>voltagex: Stummi is right. I don't know what kind of documentation you did read, but there's a pretty decent description of the format of .jigdo files in jigdo-file manpage. Search for „Parts section” section.
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05:06<Supaplex>voltagex: maybe it's mime64 encoded md5. you'll have to demime, and then perl unpack/pack the binary part.
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05:07<Supaplex>if a mime falls over in the forest, does it make a sound? who would care anyway?
05:07<voltagex>Supaplex, f8l - it's a variation on rsync rolling MD5, with a custom rolled base64 on top
05:08<Supaplex>my $diety what a pain.
05:09<f8l>voltagex: I've written a virtual filesystem which reads .jigdos successfully to provide images generated on the fly. The rsync sum is in the .template files IIRC.
05:09<Supaplex>there's more than one way to say, that sucks.
05:09<Supaplex>oh, I thought f8l meant you're giving up. hah.
05:09*Supaplex waves
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05:10<voltagex>f8l: I'd be interested to see your code. I'm currently considering compiling part of jigit with msys and then calling it from c# :P
05:10<f8l>voltagex: Believe me. It's an MD5 encoded with URL-base64.
05:10<voltagex>f8l: what about all these weird chunk size things?
05:10<f8l>voltagex: As for the code, you can go to, but that might be outdated.
05:11<voltagex>so for example
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05:11<voltagex>pool/main/w/wavpack/libwavpack1_4.60.1-3_amd64.deb has a jigdo-wacky-sum of B4VKdFwdqxZbA3VBO_xC6A
05:12<f8l>voltagex: Chunk size? You're still talking about .template files, aren't you?
05:12<Supaplex>if it's any conselation, last night I fetched 32gb in sources by using aria2c+balance+(squid*9) and some perl hackery to take the url list (splits on /pool/) and feed all mirrors into aria2c. ^.^ 2-br's made overnight (but I'm 21 files short)
05:12<voltagex>blergh. f8l I'm not sure
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05:13<voltagex>Supaplex: I'm starting the bandwidth conservation society as the incoming government in Australia will have us all going back to dialup
05:13<Supaplex>are they still giddy all over forced filtering?
05:14<torguy>voltagex: seriously?
05:14<torguy>u got a link for that?
05:14<voltagex>torguy: just exaggerating
05:14<f8l>voltagex: Here is a more up-to-date code:
05:14<voltagex>torguy: but FTTN will put us back 10 years compared to FTTH
05:14<torguy>that would be weird
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05:15<torguy>well tbh 100gbs is fairly excssive
05:15<jm_>still faster than kangaroo network!
05:15<torguy>i dont think ive ever surpassed 10
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05:16<voltagex>torguy: 100mb/s will not be excessive in 5 years
05:16<voltagex>but I digress
05:16<torguy>fair enough
05:17<voltagex>f8l: I would have never thought of turning jigdo into a filesystem
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05:17<Supaplex>indeed. cool, I'm totally git cloning that. thanks :)
05:17<voltagex>no one else seems to be doing any dev work on anything jigdo
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05:17<voltagex>which is a pity because it's pretty clever
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05:17<f8l>voltagex: I was not the first one to think about it. I did it independently after Steve McIntyre.
05:18<f8l>voltagex: Jigdo just works the way it is now. What to change?
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05:18<Supaplex>well, since I can mass download myself, not much. :)
05:19<bluenemo>hi guys. i've got a hetzner server with 2 hdd's, one of which has recovered data on it. on the other one there is a empty drive on which a degraded raid 1 is to be installed. what would be best practice to ensure that no data can be written to sdb? i thought about hdparm -Y but its waking up again.
05:19<voltagex>f8l: nothing, I just want to have a cache-warmer to put some files into squid first.
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05:19<f8l>voltagex: I have also written a PHP script which does similar thing that JigdoFUSE does. No one was interested in it though. :-(
05:20<f8l>voltagex: Hmm… Why do you need the checksums then? Filenames aren't enough?
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05:20<voltagex>f8l: guess they are, just wanted to take a look
05:20<voltagex>f8l: it was md5 the last time I looked :P
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05:21<f8l>voltagex: Yes. URL-base64 encoded MD5.
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05:22<f8l>voltagex: I think I have a shell script for decoding jigdo MD5 sums lying around. Do you want me to find it?
05:23<voltagex>f8l: yes please, clearly I have not had enough caffeine
05:25<f8l>voltagex: Found it. It's as simple as: `echo "$1=="|tr '_-' '/+'|base64 -d|hexdump -e '16/1 "%02x" "\n"'`. By the way, that function is in the script found on my site.
05:26<Ano_Nym_1111>hi, i've got a problem with a 3tb usb2 harddisk, seems the disk is physically damaged. i bought a replacement but its a few bytes smaller. tested to dd the bad disk and got io errors on the first ~1,4 MB of the disk, but the next 100gb seem ok. dumpe2fs -h alternative superblock is ok. debugfs open with alternateive superblock gives me "Can't read an inode bitmap while reading inode bitmap".
05:26<Ano_Nym_1111>is there a possibility to dump all recoverable files to the new disk? - i asked that question yesterday and stderr gave me the advice to use magicrescue, phtotorec or rdd. let the first two run an hour each but they gave me only broken files with cryptic filenames.
05:26<Ano_Nym_1111>copying the disk with ddrescue right now(300gb ok, 81errors, errsize 257MB), but then i'll hace an image, can run e2fsck and a) it will work B) corrupt the image.. why not run it on the bad disk or will there be anything else i can do? creating the image will take ~106hours.. any other tool recommendations?
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05:28<Supaplex>Ano_Nym_1111: how much data was used on the filesystems of the bad disk?
05:28<SynrG>sounds like the whole thing is probably a loss
05:28<Supaplex>f8l: cool, I actually need checksums to chase down missing files to build the last part of two images I have.
05:28<Ano_Nym_1111>the disk was completely full..
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05:29<Ano_Nym_1111>vdr files ~10mb free
05:29<f8l>Supaplex: Right. I had the same problem when writing Filenames didn't match for kernel images for example.
05:29<voltagex>f8l: not entirely simple ;)
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05:30<Supaplex>Ano_Nym_1111: there's something like hdd regen. if you don't have a true backup, you'd die from accidental rm anyway. why not have a second copy somewhere else?
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05:30<f8l>voltagex: When I wrote this program, I didn't know any documentation of Jigdo existed.
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05:31<voltagex>I got as far as hexdump but I didn't know that -e flag
05:31<voltagex>wait, which site are you referring to for your scripts?
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05:31<voltagex>the gitorious?
05:31<f8l>voltagex: It's for format string. Normally hd outputs pretty printed hex with decoded ASCII. I didn't want that.
05:31<Ano_Nym_1111>supaplex: that are just tv-recordings. important things i have on two locations and on a raid-1, thats why i dont have a backup
05:31<f8l>voltagex: No.
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05:32<Supaplex>Ano_Nym_1111: I'm looking up a few answers. In the meantime, one of my buddies spent two months with a utility to revive all the data off his drive. Ok.
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05:33<voltagex>f8l: thanks.
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05:33<f8l>voltagex: It's old as coal and I want to update it, but I don't have enough free time.
05:33<voltagex>f8l: I'm about to port part of it to C# :P
05:33<f8l>voltagex: So you may want to look at the C code at gitorious.
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05:34<voltagex>f8l: too late in the evening for C
05:34<Ano_Nym_1111>supaplex: thanks for your help
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05:36<Supaplex>Ano_Nym_1111: humm. he's not awake. there's some hdd regen utility he used (I think it talks to low level hdd firmware, might be from a hdd vendor)
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05:39<f8l>voltagex: You must be many timezones away from me… It's noon here. Should you need any help with jigdo, you can have my e-mail. Should I /msg it to you?
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05:40<voltagex>if you like
05:40<voltagex>I'm UTC+10 btw
05:40<Supaplex>hah. i'm an idiot (actually was a sleep deprived on last night). all my borken files have "pool" in the package name. no wonder (because I used split(/pool/,$_) as my shortcut)
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05:42<voltagex>Supaplex: redownload or rename?
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05:43<Supaplex>naw, i'll split on : instead.
05:43<Supaplex>there's only 21 missing files. this won't take long.
05:43<f8l>Supaplex: There will still be 2-3 packages per image which have different name or path.
05:43<Supaplex>wait.... the original jigdo was pissed. humm
05:43<f8l>Supaplex: What do you mean?
05:43<voltagex>Supaplex: if I had to redownload 35gb here, I would cry
05:44<f8l>Well… `man rename` is your friend.
05:44<Supaplex>I took the unpacked jigdo files, parsed for the package, and downloaded from my mirrors (perl+aria2)
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05:44<dawid>hello can you tell me which linux distro can support wifi router with multissid, with file and print server? Do you recommend typical distro like Debian or a speciall network distro?
05:45<Supaplex>I have 9 squid servers, all unique facing internet ip's (I'm throttled by interfacing ip), and I load balanced proxy requests to all my squid machines.
05:45<Supaplex>so, 35g literally finished overnight (like 16h or so)
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05:45<dawid>i want to make router on linux with this features
05:45<Supaplex>anyway, to the point, plain ol jidgo-lite didn't find the 21 files after trying mirrors. *that's* where I'm screwed i think.
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05:46<f8l>Supaplex: There's always the archive… Which image are you trying to download? Is it that ancient?
05:46<Supaplex>it's 7.1 - can't be that old.
05:47<f8l>Supaplex: Maybe it's the question of mirrors then. Try different ones.
05:47<Supaplex>maybe I'll go up and down a day at a time until I find it.
05:47<Supaplex>yeah, I was leaning to two archive mirrors for those last files (after giving up on 4-5 normal mirrors)
05:48<f8l>Supaplex: Oh. :-(
05:48<Supaplex>let me ... try some coding. I can narrow this down. bbiaf. :)
05:48<f8l>Supaplex: Are you fetching a BD or something?
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05:49<Supaplex>f8l: yup (2, sources, to port my own mips64 for oceton cpu)
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05:49<Supaplex>I have ... about 40 of those machines (long story)
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05:50<f8l>Supaplex: I think you are the first one who really needs BD I've met.
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05:50<Supaplex>dawid: try openwrt (based on the right hardware, you can pull that off)
05:50<voltagex>dawid: also, if you make it I will buy it.
05:51<Supaplex>charge him 1MM ;)
05:51<voltagex>Supaplex: almost worth it, have you seen how bad router firmware is?
05:51<dawid>i want to make my pc as router
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05:52<voltagex>dawid: yes, debian can do that.
05:52<f8l>dawid: You just need to read `man ip` and maybe `man ip-route` for starters.
05:52<Stummi>maybe also iptables
05:53<dawid>hostapd with samba can make this? ?
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05:55<dawid>ok thank you
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05:55<Supaplex>voltagex: uh yeah. that's why I use x86 thin clients (800mhz geode) and ath9k pci-e,pci,then usb adapters (based on off-lease thin client bus features). 64mb onboard flash is plenty. external hdd if I really wanted (but all my storage it tied up on my "tv"+dvr)
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06:59<ayaka>I meet a problem with su, I can't su from a normal user to root, only gid will change to root, and if I am a root(login in tty), after su to a normal user, I can't su to root either(only gid will change to root)
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07:01<ayaka>I find it is setcap setgid=ep cause the problem
07:01<ayaka>I will pay more attention to it
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07:04<Supaplex>ayaka: cool. didn't know that would break :)
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07:05<Supaplex>dpkg: don't leave me! :`(
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07:07<ayaka>Supaplex, yes, It is my fisrt time to know its effiective, I know it has been in kernel for a long time(from 2.6)
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07:09<Supaplex>PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recoveryks_0.50.1-4.diff.gz'
07:09<Supaplex>odd. jigdo is tossing a lot of these. humm...
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07:10<f8l>Supaplex: Jigdo? Not jigdo-lite?
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07:15<Supaplex>f8l: it's lite.
07:15<Supaplex>I even ^C and nuked the iso.tmp, and tried again.
07:15<Supaplex>chasing the innerwebz
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07:16<Supaplex>looks berkleydb related
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07:17<f8l>Supaplex: You may need to kill the cache then.
07:18<Supaplex>done. :)
07:18<Supaplex>so far so good.
07:19<Supaplex>I hope this 1 file missing is the sums file or something. each BD is missing just one file. o.O
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07:21<f8l>Supaplex: Did it tell you which files are missing?
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07:24<Supaplex>not yet
07:24<Supaplex>I'm cleaning up my aria2 based jigdo downloader
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07:27<f8l>Supaplex: I've heard something about jigdo downloading capability in aria, but it was long ago… You got me interested.
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07:30<Supaplex>I have something half crude ready. 1m, i'll upload it.
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07:32<f8l>Supaplex: Out of curiosity: why do you write your own downloader instead of using jigdo-lite?
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07:33<Supaplex>to overcome per ip bandwith throttling (balance + squid + a few machines = win)
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07:34<f8l>Supaplex: Sounds great.
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07:35<Supaplex>I'm happy with the result. :)
07:36<Supaplex>The fact that you got this far is a strong indication that `debian-7.1.0-source-BD-2.iso' was generated correctly. \o/
07:37<Supaplex>14% (BD-1 is still crawling the local cache)
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07:38<f8l>Supaplex: Too bad I can't read Perl… I like the idea though. :-)
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07:40<f8l>Supaplex: I avoid it successfully. For most things I do, sh is good enough.
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07:41<Supaplex>well, I use to find bugs in bash with my scripting. :-/
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07:41<f8l>Supaplex: That's why I use sh, not bash.
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07:51<grammoboy>is there an opensource tool comparable with what's app?
07:52<Stummi><Supaplex> well, I use to find bugs in bash with my scripting. :-/ <- which bugs?
07:53<grammoboy>what's app uses the cellphones simcard right? e.g. not internet
07:53<Stummi>no, whats app uses the internet
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07:53<grammoboy>why do you need to give your phone number then if it's just a chat client?
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07:54<Stummi>since the phone number is the way to authorize yourself with whatsapp
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07:55<grammoboy>so it's just ordinary chatting
07:55<grammoboy>why the hype
07:55<Ano_Nym_1111>whatsapp uses the phone number as id and uploads the adressbook. connection is via internet but without any security. i use a account with gibberbot instead. extra: otr-encryption
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07:57<grammoboy>pidgin is also an option right?
07:57<Stummi>I used for a while but they have way too much downtime imho, so i set up my own jabberd
07:59<Ano_Nym_1111>thats why i like this. you can get a account where you want or host yourself, you can choose a client and there is end-to-end encryption!
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08:04<roughnecks>grammoboy: yes and yes
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08:22<grammoboy>and you can make groups for chatting?
08:23<Xires>grammoboy; XMPP is used by lots of popular things, including gtalk & jabber
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08:23<Xires>anything you can do on those services is supported by XMPP
08:23<Stummi>the only con is that xmpp doesn't support push messages at android
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08:24<grammoboy>push messages?
08:24<Stummi>which will cause your xmpp client a slightly higher power consumption
08:24<Xires>I believe there are some apps that can do that for you
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08:25<Stummi>Xires, the android economy misses an whole open infrastructur for push messages atm, So if you don't want to get your messages send through google servers you have to disclaim them
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08:26<stderr>Xires: I think Google Talk is moving away from XMPP.
08:27<Xires>stderr; K, ty for the info
08:27<Xires>Stummi; I'll have to research it seems like an easy thing to do
08:28<grammoboy>thx for info
08:29<grammoboy>but do you receive a message, sent while you where offline?
08:30<Stummi>grammoboy, maybe you want to read the wikipedia page about xmpp (or so) to see a list of all features
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09:36<Guest2679>How to install ia32-libs-i386 in debian wheezy 64-bit
09:36<themill>dpkg: tell Guest2679 about multiarch howto
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09:48<rindolf>Hi all.
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09:49<rindolf> - this search tells me that this is the link to the cgiirc package - - but following the link gives me an error.
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09:52<ZIPY>how do i mount an ext2 boot partition into live cd.. it says: # mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /boot << special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
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09:55<kardan>ZIPY: There is nothing special for mounting on a live system except that the device naming could differ. You should check what you have for 'ls /dev/{s,h}d*'.
09:57<ZIPY>hmm strange
09:57<ZIPY>ls: cannot access /dev/sd* no such file or directory
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09:58<ZIPY>but i can see the device in disks utility /dev/sda1
09:58<standard_>there is no chat, here
09:58<standard_>what the fuck is it?
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10:00<ZIPY>ok solved, i should get out of chroot first...
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10:31<MichaelP>been useing kubuntu 13.04.. is it me or does the newer kernels on ext4 have a faster copy rate.. seems like kernel 3.8 3.9.. i was coping from usn hdd to pc hdd at 70 to 80 mbps seems like 3.2 kernel only up to 32 mbps ?
10:32<dpkg>kubuntu is probably yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on
10:33<txt-file>MichaelP: 1. this is a debian support channel 2. this can be
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10:33<MichaelP>txt-file: im on debian wheezy right now
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10:34<txt-file>so you switched and wonder about lower copy rates since the switch?
10:35<MichaelP>was woundering if that was kernel related with newer kernel vs older kernel
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10:36<stderr>Could be.
10:36*kardan likes that feature in ice[weasel|cat]
10:36<txt-file>then you could try a newer kernel from wheezy backports
10:37<stderr>Also check if you're using the same modules.
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10:37*kardan said nothing
10:38<MichaelP>just add backports to the end of the source.list line
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10:38<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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10:39<dpkg>well, abi is application binary interface ( See also <kernel abi>.
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10:39<stderr>MichaelP: deb wheezy-backports main
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10:40<txt-file>another option would be to read the linux changelog and search for changes on the ext code ;)
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10:41<stderr>txt-file: It doesn't have to be ext4 related. It could be faster USB code.
10:41<txt-file>i thought about that too
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10:42<MichaelP>stderr: does wheezy-backports need to be wheezy/updates main contrib non-free ... deb wheezy-updates main contrib non-free .. or just the main line ?
10:42<stderr>Maybe MichaelP got USB3, but Wheezy only uses USB2...
10:43<txt-file>just wanted to ask if this is a usb3 hdd
10:43<MichaelP>stderr: yeah my laptop and the usb hdd is 3.0
10:43<txt-file>MichaelP: is this a usb3 drive?
10:43<stderr>MichaelP: I don't use backports myself, but it does seem like they got main, contrib and non-free.
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10:44<MichaelP>So then newer kernel will suport usb 3.0 ?
10:46<stderr>I haven't read the kernel changelog... Could be.
10:46<txt-file>looks so
10:46<nothing>i search a good keyboard for play game and develop
10:46<stderr>nothing: I have heard good things about IBM Model M... :-)
10:48<nothing>stderr: lol you troll me i want the filco ten key less but i dont what switch take
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10:49<stderr>nothing: I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you just said.
10:49<nothing>stderr: i said i want the filco keyboard ninja tenkeyless
10:50<nothing>stderr: but i don t know what switch choose for this keyboard
10:50<nothing>stderr: and what do you thk about this keyboard
10:51<stderr>I don't know it.
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10:52<nothing>stderr: i send you a link
10:52<nothing>stderr: i send a link for you it s better
10:52<stderr>I know how to use a search engine...
10:53<nothing>it s true
10:53<nothing>lol sorry my baf
10:53<nothing>lol sorry my bad
10:54<nothing>i am not on the good channel
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10:54<txt-file>maybe because this is a debian support channel and not a channel for common hardware recommendations
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10:55<bigjust>there are entire forums focused on just keyboards
10:55<bigjust>please use those
10:56<nothing>txt-file: yes i know
10:56<nothing>sorry sorry
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10:56<stderr>Personally, I would test the various keyboards myself in a shop. What you like, might not be what others like.
10:57<nothing>stderr: you are right
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11:20<neo1691>I am using ubuntu since the last three years. 10.04 was very nice and simple to use fr a newcomer in the linux world like me. But of late ubuntu has become very buggy and unstable and I have decided to moved on. I have almost selected debian as my next and final OS. Just wanted to clear a few things over here. And by the way, hello world! :D
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11:23<nonlinear>The "viking" version in debian (stable testing and sid) is 1.3, while the current stable is 1.4.2. It also segfaults when trying to start a GPS live trace (bug #682474). who should I poke about this?
11:24<neo1691>Can I get good desktop customization in debian?
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11:27<babilen>neo1691: I don't quite understand that question -- You can do whatever you want with the system and environments are as customisable (or not) as upstreams designed them.
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11:28<txt-file>nonlinear: you could poke the package maintainer
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11:30<babilen>dpkg: tell neo1691 -about install debian
11:30<neo1691>babilen: I wont be using compiz, but will I be able to "theme" my desktop appearance?
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11:31<babilen>neo1691: Sure, all the functionionality provided by, say, Gnome or XFCE is present in Debian. If your chosen desktop environment has theming support it will be possible with the versions packaged in Debian.
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11:32<nonlinear>txt-file: good idea, thanks
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11:32<txt-file>nonlinear: also … is this a upstream bug or one from
11:34<babilen>neo1691: Which desktop environment do you want to install? I would recommend to use the netinstall images with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) for installing Debian if you have a working internet connection.
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11:37<neo1691>babilen: dpkg did his job :)
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11:40<babilen>neo1691: Fair enough :) Have fun!
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11:46<raul>Hi, I have a question and would like to know if you could guide me. I have to install a web server with debian 7.1 stable, would it be possible to install the version of php 5.2?
11:47<weasel>you'd have to do that manually.
11:47<weasel>so the answer is 'not easily'
11:47<weasel>(if it even works at all)
11:49<raul>would be more desirable to install the debian version 6 and then go from php 5.3 to 5.2?
11:50<weasel>that would be equally bad, horrible and generally undesirable
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11:51<babilen>raul: 5.2 hasn't been supported by either Debian nor PHP upstream for two years already. You should upgrade whatever software still relies on it. See for details.
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11:51<babilen>raul: Running that really isn't an option. Nor has it been for more than two years.
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11:53<raul>It is a web application ancient and only work properly with php 5.2.
11:54<stderr>raul: Complain to whoever wrote that web application.
11:54<raul>The solution would lose and compile the 5.2 version with debian 7.1?
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11:57<babilen>raul: php itself is not supporting that version anymore. Just don't use it. Doing so poses an *immense* threat to your systems and the data being handled by those systems. Just don't.
11:58<retrospectacus>raul: that web application should no longer be considered. Look for something else (or look into upgrading it to work with modern PHP - it may not be that hard)
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12:07<raul>Thanks for your help!. I'll talk to the developer to see if it is possible to update the web applicationº
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12:08<babilen>it has to
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12:16<_neo1691>I see that there are cd and dvd versions of debian, which vary in size by a great deal. Can someone point out what exactly are the difference in the disks?
12:18<txt-file>_neo1691: a cd is 800MB and a dvd is 4.5GB
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12:18<txt-file>and i am not sure if i understood your question
12:18<_neo1691>txt-file: But how much of debian comes in it
12:18<logman>there are no differences. its just for the sake of conveniance
12:19<txt-file>the cd is enough to install debian
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12:19<txt-file>you normally do not need to use the dvd
12:19<txt-file>only if you do not have internet
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12:22<_neo1691>txt-file: Thats what, I usually want to download the image at my college and want to install debian at home (where I dont have internet)
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12:23<txt-file>isn't there even a blueray image?
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12:24<logman>does anyone know how to get realtek RTL8111/8168B working? i have installed firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb and its still not working
12:24<logman>i have a feeling that its not a driver issue
12:24<gsimmons>txt-file: Yes, but BD images require jigdo for their creation (due to their size).
12:25<logman>i installed with the offline dvd's if that make a difference. also my nic works fine with the live dvd
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12:27<_neo1691>txt-file: blue ray is too much for me :P
12:27<txt-file>gsimmons: i never understoood how jigdo works so i never used it
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12:28<txt-file>_neo1691: why?
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12:28<wompa>_neo1691, CD1 should contain most of what you need to run Gnome at least, also packages are sorted after popularity, the most popular ones are on CD1
12:28<_neo1691>too much bandwidth, here internet is scarce
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12:29<txt-file>where in the world are you that you can not just download 50GB? ;)
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12:30<logman>brb. going to reset my router. maybe that will fix it, idk
12:30<mtn>logman: have you used this?:
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12:30<dharc>hey I'm kFreeBSD user and i don't know how to configure wi-fi, may somebody help me?
12:31<txt-file>!tell dharc about ask
12:32<gsimmons>mtn: Not relevant for Ethernet connections.
12:32<dharc>well, how can I use wi-fi in kFreeBSD amd64?
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12:33<mtn>gsimmons: good to know
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12:36<dharc>this is my output ifconfig:
12:37<_neo1691>txt-file: India :P
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12:49<dharc>well, i give up
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13:08<logman>does anyone know how to get realtek RTL8111/8168B working? i have installed firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb and its still not working
13:08<logman>i have a feeling that its not a driver issue
13:08<logman>i installed with the offline dvd's if that make a difference. also my nic works fine with the live dvd
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13:09<babilen>logman: How do you test that it is "not working" ?
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13:09<CutMeOwnThroat>did you try sacrificing a sheep... or maybe a chicken?
13:10<CutMeOwnThroat>err, I meant, did you look at dmesg and /var/log/messages
13:10<babilen>logman: Could you paste your /etc/network/interfaces (you might want to remove personal information) along with the output of "ifconfig -a" to ?
13:10<trico>yeah, ime realtek is well supported, unless thats the newest latest one. also, is that an audio or nic device?
13:10<babilen>logman: did you restart after installing the firmware? Ah, and please include the outout of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" too
13:10<logman>yes i have restarted lol
13:10<babilen>little old ladies shouldn't be restarted that often
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13:11<logman>ok first of all. i dont have ifconfig. what package is that in?
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13:11<babilen>logman: It is part of net-tools that you should have installed (and if you have not then something is wrong), but try running it as root
13:11<logman>works with sudo
13:12<logman>lol sorry
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13:28<massi>logman: can you post the output of : ip addr show
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13:31<Seattle__>Hi all - Am trying to use Linux Vserver with Wheezy hosts and guests. When try to create guest, get "insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service keyboard-setup. Insserv existing now. update-rc.d: error insert rejected the script header. Q: Is there a special config to make when installing Wheezy into containers?
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13:32<massi>logman: logman try to set an ip address to eth0 and ping an host in your network (rounter?!)
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13:33<logman>should i disable network manager first?
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13:34<Seattle__>PS Got this all to work in Squeeze. Vserver requires a patch to the kernel, which I think have done successfully. Can start guest, install stuff, but run into trouble when try to install gnome-core or lxde.
13:34<massi>logman: yes.
13:35<logman>how do i disable network manager?
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13:35<massi>try /etc/init.d/network-manager stop
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13:36<massi>sodo if you use it
13:36<logman>ok thanks. that worked
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13:37<logman>ok now i have have an eth0 in ifconfig
13:37<logman>i dont have*
13:37<CutMeOwnThroat>judd, pciid 10ec:8168
13:37<judd>[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in wheezy. See also
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13:38<CutMeOwnThroat>logman, what does this say? /sbin/lsmod |grep ^r81
13:38<logman>r8168 243769 0
13:39<CutMeOwnThroat>duh... should be r8169 according to the output of your lspci -nn and what judd made of the pciid
13:40<massi>logman: try to set an ip with ifcongi or with ip (Ex. ifconfig eth0 netmask
13:40<logman>i did blacklist r8169 yesterday
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13:40<logman>and tried with r8169
13:40<beerFreedom>Hello, I am looking for a little bit of direction
13:41<logman>massi:destination unreachable
13:41<logman>with ping
13:42<CutMeOwnThroat>well, when you unload this... what new messages do you get in dmesg output when you modprobe r8169 ?
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13:42<massi>so is a problem with the kernel module or firmware :\
13:42<beerFreedom>I am running a Wheezy server and I can't seem to decide which IRC daemon I want to use, I tried hybrid and got it work, but had troubles with hybserv, and then I tried unrealircd with even more issues. Does anyone know of some documentation on setting up an IRCD on Wheezy?
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13:43<logman>CutMeOwnThroat:uhh what do i need to do?
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13:44<zeev>Is there a command that a testuser that belongs only to the group testuser can run (maybe he needs to be listed in sudoers first) in order to mount usb stick as if he belonged to the group plugdev/floppy. So he can't access the mounted usb stick directly but can cp to it (if he is in sudoers and can run cp as floppy group member).
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13:45<CutMeOwnThroat>logman, something like... (perhaps need to remove the blacklist first) rmmod r8168; modprobe r8169 ; dmesg | tail -20 | pastebinit -
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13:47<CutMeOwnThroat>(or just paste the output manually to a pastebin instead of the "| pastebinit -" at the end )
13:47<logman>yeah i am
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13:50<Seattle__>Anyone out there use Linux Vserver?
13:50<Node_8392>is there a way (cli?) to tell debian to just dl/install grub-efi (version 2) to say dev sdb4 or something like that?
13:51<Node_8392>er.. /dev/sdb4
13:51<dpkg>Linux-VServer (deprecated per Debian bug #574529) allows creation of virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously. Comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. For alternatives, ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. See also <virtualization>.
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13:52<logman>i did not unblacklist
13:52<logman>to be honest i followed a guide
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13:53<CutMeOwnThroat>logman, you cannot do sudo command1 ; command2 ... it's the shell that interprets the ";" and it runs sudo command1 and then it runs command2 as your normal user
13:53<logman>ohh ok
13:53<CutMeOwnThroat>that's why you get bash: modprobe: command not found... because modprobe is in /sbin and that's not in user logan's path
13:53<logman>sorry i will try again
13:53<Seattle__>dpkg supposedly can use Linux Vserver with Wheezy. Have gotten it going, but running into errors - am looking for help re: is there a special config to use when installing debian wheezy into a container?
13:53<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, Seattle__
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13:54<roughnecks>Seattle__: dpkg is a bot, did you check the bug listed in the previous message?
13:54<apm1>Seattle__, dpkg is a help bot
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13:55<Node_8392>apm1, <3
13:55<Seattle__>Oh...hang on..
13:56<apm1>Node_8392, /join in OT ?
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13:57<Seattle__>Yes, checked out "bug"...not helpful. Is just a notice that to use Linux Vserver after Debian involves patching the kernel and compiling utilities. But supposedly, it will still work
13:57<Seattle__>Sorry, meant after Squeeze
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13:58<Seattle__>I think I've gotten things to work up to a point. Can patch kernel, compile utilties, and "create guests". Can enter guests, ping successfully, install things like ssh in the guests, but can't install GUI (either gnome-core or LDXE).
13:58<CutMeOwnThroat>why's that not helpful... says you should look if you can use LXC (Linux Containers) instead, as support for it is removed
13:58<logman>CutMeOwnThroat:i'm getting rmmod not found and modprobe not found now
13:58<logman>without the sudo
13:59<CutMeOwnThroat>that's why you have to patch the kernel yourself
13:59<CutMeOwnThroat>logman, just run sudo modprobe r8169 and then dmesg |tail -20
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13:59<Seattle__>CutMeOWnThrat-thanks, but my understanding is LXC is not ready for prime time, that it cannot be made secure (also is missing tools, but it's the security posts I've read that worry me).
14:00<Seattle__>Also means "starting over" in learning a new container suite, but that may be necessary. Was hoping someone may have gotten what we're trying to do working.
14:01<Node_8392>there :)
14:02<roughnecks>i think you're still on your own, Seattle__. If Debian does not support vserver anymore, #debian doesn't too
14:02<Seattle__>roughnecks - you're probably right, though my understanding from the Vserver folks is that people have done this successfully....
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14:03<roughnecks>did you try asking to them? or somewhere on freenode.. i don't know how to be more helpful
14:03<CutMeOwnThroat>well, not completely true... #d is for answering debian-specific stuff... and there's maybe a debian-specific way of compiling the kernel :P
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14:05<CutMeOwnThroat>logman, hm, that didn't do anything... none of those messages are from loading the module... either it was already loaded or the blacklist prevents loading
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14:06<logman>k i will figure out how to remove the blacklist i guess
14:06<Seattle__>roughneceks - thanks, did ask them, they suggested trying this forum. They're really helpful, and have a feeling this is solvable, but so far they have not had a specific fix. E.g., has one path, but having tried this has left me with errors described earlier.
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14:12<logman>ok unblacklisted and rebooting
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14:22<logman>still doesnt work
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14:27-!-andrea is now known as Guest2700
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14:27<Guest2700>ho installato ubuntu studio su pc e non perso tutti i boot dei vari windows all'avvio
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14:28<Guest2700>qualcuno mi puo aiutare?
14:28<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:28<Guest2700>ok grazie
14:29<roughnecks>prego :)
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14:33<Guest2700>nessuno mi rispone su debian-it:(
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14:40<logman>my motherboard is a gigabyte 990FXA-UD3. and i ready that the nic doesnt work with deban 7 and i should instead use debian 6
14:40<logman>does that sound legit?
14:40<CutMeOwnThroat>logman, still look for what messages loading the module produces... that should tell you if the module recognizes it or not and you can work your way up from there
14:41<CutMeOwnThroat>logman, e.g. sudo rmmod r8169; sodo modprobe r8169 ; dmesg |tail -20
14:41<CutMeOwnThroat>err, sudu, not sodo, of course
14:41<CutMeOwnThroat>typing is HARD
14:41<logman>it is
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14:43<logman>there we go
14:43<logman>worked that time
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14:43<logman>is says driver is loaded
14:43<logman>i will paste it for you
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14:44<babilen>logman: How do you test if the interface is working?
14:44<babilen>(sorry for abandoning you earlier)
14:44<logman>with ping
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14:48<babilen>logman: Wait, is the interface enabled?
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14:50<babilen>logman: Could you run "ip link set eth0 up" and then "dhclient -v eth0" please? (assuming you have a DCHP server running) paste the output to
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15:53<arnab>how to connect hp printer p1108?
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16:09<anastasis>Well, hiya there, Debsters, by gum.
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16:14<CutMeOwnThroat>logman, that bit looks ok to me... not only says it's loaded, it also seems to recognize the underlying hardware
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16:24<groolot_>I would like to boot my system without any service because the NFS services is waiting and waiting and ...
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16:25<groolot_>is there a param to give to the kernel at grub boot time to boot in maintenance mode ?
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16:39<Noskcaj>I have some hardware i'm willing to donate, but the mailing list for this hasn't responded. Is there somewhere else to ask?
16:39<anastasis_>What kinda hardware you got?
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16:49<logman>CutMeOwnThroat:i agree. what do you think could be the problem then??
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17:02<CutMeOwnThroat>logman, what happens when you do what babilen suggested
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17:05<logman>what did babilen suggest?
17:07<EmleyMoor>How can I make my systems *follow* stable iceweasel rather than merely be aware of it?
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17:09<roughnecks>20:50 <babilen> logman: Could you run "ip link set eth0 up" and then "dhclient -v eth0" please? (assuming you have a DCHP server running) paste the output to
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17:11<EmleyMoor>My laptop seems to do it OK - but my desktop seems to run into trouble with dependencies
17:12<logman>pretty sure i did that but i'll give it anothe go
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17:14<musca>EmleyMoor: interesting - tell us more.
17:14<stderr>EmleyMoor: What do you mean?
17:15<stderr>Maybe put some logs or something on
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17:17<EmleyMoor>Sorry, no logs... however, my laptop is prepared, within synaptic, to get the new iceweasel without quibbling. My desktop has problems with unsatisfied dependencies it can't tell me about - until I use aptitude which makes clear what's wrong allowing me to upgrade that too.. libnss3 in this case
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17:21<matu>Hi, does anyone use a thinkpad x201 ? I have installed debian but i can't use the wifi
17:22<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>.
17:22<matu>it worked nice using Ubuntu, installing Debian wheezy the installer asked me to install the firmware iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode so i installed iwlwifi...
17:23<matu>but it does not appear my wifi is correctly recognized by the system using iwconfig :/
17:23<scientes>try networkmanager
17:23<scientes>or connman
17:24<matu>networkmanager is already installed
17:24<scientes>i've had problems with iwconfig and that other one
17:24<scientes>i use connman now
17:24<matu>ok i am installing connman right now
17:25<matu>insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `connman' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
17:25<matu>insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `connman' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
17:25<matu>what does that mean oO ?
17:25<scientes>except the version of connman in debian kinda sucks, and doesn't have the connmanctl command
17:25<retrospectacus>logman: there is no dhcp server or your network is broken / eth0 is not connected
17:26<matu>i would prefer to not use ubuntu because of the spyware it contains
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17:26<logman>there is a dhcp server on my network(my router) and eth0 is connected. i see the leds.
17:27<logman>it is connected through a switch. i will try connecting to my router directly
17:27<logman>will lose internet for a bit
17:27<logman>so brb
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17:28<retrospectacus>logman: do you see the bilnkenlight upon DHCPDISCOVER ?
17:29<matu>scientes, what is the name of your wifi chip ?
17:29<logman>um let me see
17:29<matu>mine is Intel séries 6000 (6200AGN et 6300AGN)
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17:30<matu>i guess
17:30<logman>retrospectacus:led is solid orange. no green
17:30<matu>02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200 (rev 35)
17:31<logman>also keep in mind network manager is down
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17:32<logman>ok brb. going to connect directly
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17:37<logman>ok back
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17:37<logman>no luck
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17:38<retrospectacus>logman: swap the cable, run "sudo mii-tool eth0"
17:38<retrospectacus>and dmesg|tail
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17:38<retrospectacus>logman: swap the cable, run "sudo mii-tool eth0" and dmesg|tail
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17:42<logman>the cable should be fine. it works with win7 and the debian live cd
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17:45<roughnecks>the output looks good too: set an IP if DHCP fails
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17:47<logman>what would the command look like?
17:48<roughnecks>you may want to configure /etc/network/interfaces if not using network manager
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17:50<logman>roughnecks: does it make a difference if i have no domain name set?
17:51<logman>domainname returns (none)
17:51<roughnecks>you just need a hostname, localdomain can be anything
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17:54<logman>so auto eth
17:54<logman>auto eth0
17:54<logman>what else?
17:54<roughnecks>5.5.5 contains an example
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17:57<logman>i will try a reboot
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18:02<Josth>que mrd es esta O.O
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18:03<logman>roughnecks: not working. i even uninstalled network manager in synaptic just to be sure
18:03<logman>why would the live cd work but the install not work?
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18:11<roughnecks>sorry pal, i'm headed to bed.
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18:15<logman>alright. thankd for the help
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18:21<ompaul>scientes: are you sure that is a debian problem
18:21<scientes>ahh i think it is the --sysroot thing
18:21<scientes>well i'm working on the debian package
18:21<ompaul>scientes: something like building chrome
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18:24<scientes>i think i got it
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18:38<matu>is chromium free ?
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18:39<OdyX>matu: it's in Debian main, so it fits the DFSG.
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18:40<matu>because iceweasel is so slow... i was using firefox on ubuntu and it was fast, but it now takes 5-6seconds in order to start the launching of a page
18:40<matu>i dont know why...
18:40<mshuler>dillo is fast ;)
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18:41<matu>you are right
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18:41<matu>but dillo is really minimalistic
18:42<matu>i just dont know why firefox was fast on ubuntu and is now very slow on debian, i like debian but i dont know why iceweasel is slow
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18:43<matu>for example i type in the url bar and it does nothing during 3-4 seconds and then it starts to download the page
18:45<matu>why does it have to wait before it starts the launching ? do you understand ?
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18:45<devil>matu: iceweasel is fast here, as ischrome or qupzilla
18:45<matu>maybe it is not the right channel, maybe i should ask on #firefox
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18:45<devil>matu: what version are you using?
18:45<matu>i dont really like chromium...
18:46<matu>and you ?
18:46<matu>i like firefox because of his plugins, noscript, flashblock, downloadhelper etc
18:46<devil>matu: 24
18:47<matu>24 is your version ?
18:47<matu>oO ?
18:48<devil>yes, from
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18:48<devil>but that is beta, 23 is stable
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18:49<matu>thank you
18:50<matu>i will give it a look
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18:52<matu>abp is really cool
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18:56<scientes>matu, xul-ext-adblock-plus
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18:58<matu>i have already installed adblock plus from the original website (mozilla plugin) is there any differences ?
18:58<matu>anyway thank you scientes
18:58<scientes>matu, the debian package installs for all users
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19:11<matu>it is still very slow, i dont know why
19:11<matu>i have even moved the cache into ram
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19:24<matu>good night
19:24<matu>and thank you
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20:09<logman>ok so the i386 live disk works with my nic but the amd64 live disk doesnt
20:09<logman>what is the difference there? why dont they both work?
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20:28<gsimmons>logman: Within your system's BIOS setup, try enabling "IOMMU support" (within Advanced BIOS features), which is disabled by default. Then re-try with a 64-bit distribution (live or otherwise).
20:30<logman>hey any suggestions are welcome! i have been pulling my hair out over this for two days and i will try anything at this point
20:31<logman>allow me to try this
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20:34<logman>DUDE IT WORKS
20:34<logman>but seriously though. thank you!!
20:34<logman>i will credit you on the forums
20:34<logman>thanks friend
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20:36<logman>gsimmons: thanks man. i love you
20:37<gsimmons>logman: Your issue appears to be the same which was discussed in a Ubuntu forum post ( It would be useful to learn if use of a later Linux kernel (e.g. Linux 3.9) works with IOMMU support disabled. You can install this through wheezy-backports (/msg dpkg bdo kernel).
20:38<logman>do i really need to though?
20:39<gsimmons>Not at this specific time, no.
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20:42<ardex>how do I get a sequence of random digits of any length?
20:43<redshadowhero>ardex: strings /dev/urandom | egrep --color=always -o '[[:alnum:][:punct:]]' | head -n $1 | tr -d '\n';
20:43<redshadowhero>replace the regex with just [0-9]
20:43<ardex>A BASH commanline statement?
20:43<redshadowhero>Yeah. Did you want something different?
20:44<ardex>I'm new to REGEX
20:44<redshadowhero>Ah. Well, how many digits are you looking to generate?
20:45<ardex>let me put it this way. Where in that line is the variable for the number of digits?
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20:45<redshadowhero>the part that has "$1" in it.
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20:46<ardex>ok. so I just enter any number in $_ and that will output the length?
20:47<logman>gsimmons: do you know why only 2 of my usb ports work?
20:47<redshadowhero>Well, for example, say you want to generate 10 digits: strings /dev/urandom | egrep --color=always -o '[0-9]' | head -n 10 | tr -d '\n';
20:48<ardex>Ok. let me try. bbl
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20:50<ardex>redshadowhero: It did. Thanks.
20:50<redshadowhero>No problem :)
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20:51<gsimmons>logman: I don't. Try testing against a later Linux kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) with IOMMU support on and off.
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20:56<blitzed>redshadowhero yup, or /dev/random ifya have one of these :)
20:57<redshadowhero>blitzed: actually, I noticed there's a packages just for this called 'apg'
20:57<redshadowhero>also, that site doesn't seem to load for me.
20:58<stderr> Expiry date: 08-Jul-2013
20:58<blitzed>uh oh, I wonder if they went out of business, or if it is jsut down
20:58<blitzed>ah they force SSL?
20:58<blitzed>or gonzo domain
20:58<ardex>apg is a password generator
20:59<blitzed>ardex ah...I read an article about some password gens being prettymuch worthless
20:59<stderr>blitzed: The domain has expired.
21:00<ardex>diff random and pseudorandom
21:00<blitzed>bummer...I have one of their entropy keys, and it works great
21:00<blitzed>I read an article that most password generators make short passwords, considering the power of GPU password cracking
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21:02<blitzed>the article claimed that using favorite phrases from a book or something is more beneficial than random cryptic password
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21:02<redshadowhero>I also thought this was on the spot:
21:02<redshadowhero>regardless, I don't think any of this conversation is very helpful to debian support, so we should take this conversation elsewhere.
21:02<blitzed>much better to make a password such as this: the_cow_jumped_over_the_moon-i-like-to-eat-spaghetti-with-a-spoon ot whatever
21:03<stderr>Or ""
21:03<blitzed>redshadowhero yeah that is a good one
21:04<stderr>In this day and age where people are using insanely long passwords, nobody would expect a simple password like that. :-)
21:04<blitzed>a friend used to have an excel spreadsheet which had lists of words to randomly splice together...I think his list was fish species & varieties of fruit
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21:04<ardex>apg -a 1 -M n -n 3 -m 8 -E 23456789
21:05<ardex>example from the man page
21:05<blitzed>I only really care about passwords on my Debian boxes desktop & encrypted drives
21:05<blitzed>most web passwords I assume are never secure
21:06<ardex>how to find your friends
21:06<blitzed>most passwords are not hacked directly...they are obtained through server exploits, SQL injections, or social engineering.
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21:12<ardex>I got apg to generate strings of digits
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21:33<bros402>Hello. I'm trying to upgrade my VPS from squeeze to wheezy and am encountering an issue. I installed all available updates for squeeze before editing my sources.list ( to change all instances of squeeze to wheezy. I did sudo apt-get update, followed by sudo apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude, which is when I encounter an error - - Anyone have suggestions for what I can do?
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21:37<dvs>bros402: You're suppose to do "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade"
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21:38<stderr>You don't need to sudo, when you're root...
21:38<stderr>Not that it makes any difference. Just saying...
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21:41<bros402>dvs - ...did I seriously forget to do upgrade?
21:42<dvs>guess so
21:42<bros402>...damnit I did
21:42<bros402>at least it's a simple issue
21:42<bros402>upgrading now, then going to apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude, then dist-upgrade
21:43<stderr>I'm pretty sure apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade would have given you the latest apt, dpkg and aptitude.
21:43<dvs>bros402: apt-get dist-upgrade is all that's need from squeeze to wheezy
21:44<bros402>dvs - Ah. I'm following the guide from my host and it says the do apt-get install apt dpkg & aptitude before dist-upgrade
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21:46<dvs>straight from the source
21:47<bros402>Also, stupid question, but have to ask it - after doing apt-get upgrade and hitting y and having stuff installed, something that looks like a readme popped up, go to the bottom, and it says (END) on a greyish background. I forget what keys I press to get out of this without freaking anything out.
21:47<SamB>bros402: try q
21:48<bros402>I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to this - don't want everything to freak out and implode
21:49<bros402>dvs - does it make a difference if I am on an intel processor?
21:50<dvs>bros402: The instructions are for a 64-bit Intel install
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21:52<child>hybserv dont run daemon someone have some sugestion, It seems to dont have logs also...
21:52<bros402>dvs - oh. I saw amd64 in the URL just had to ask. Thanks.
21:53<dvs>bros402: AMD created the new 64-bit architecture.
21:53<bros402>Sorry for asking so many questions. I'm just a bit jittery whenever I have to upgrade.
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21:55<bros402>So the apt-get upgrade after changing sources.list is done. Now i'm doing apt-get dist-upgrade
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22:05<bros402>So dvs, just so I know when I upgrade my other server on Squeeze - All I have to do is get the most up-to-date packages on Squeeze (and upgrade to them, of course), then modify sources.list to change all instances of squeeze to wheezy, then type apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to Wheezy? After the upgrade is complete, restart the server, then do apt-get update & apt-get upgrade once the server is back up
22:05<dvs>bros402: You have to do "apt-get update" after changing the sources.list.
22:06<dvs>then apt-get upgrade, then apt-get dist-upgrade
22:06<bros402>I like having clear and concise lists. Reduces anxiety when doing a high anxiety activity like upgrading :P
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22:07<dvs>but that's the first thing I said
22:07<stderr>bros402: And you don't have to use sudo, if you're root already...
22:07<dvs><dvs> bros402: You're suppose to do "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade"
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22:07<bros402>Yes. That is what I did, I erred with my typing.
22:08<bros402>So I get the most up to date packages on squeeze, then modify sources.list to change all instances of squeeze to wheezy, then apt-get update & upgrade, then apt-get dist-upgrade, then restart server to make sure the upgrade was 100% successful
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22:10<stderr>I don't think the very first step is needed, but it probably doesn't hurt. It'll just take a bit longer.
22:10<bros402>I know, I just like to make sure everything is up to date before upgrading
22:11<dvs>stderr: The first step is needed
22:12<stderr>Guess I have been lucky then...
22:12<stderr>... or maybe I just keep my machines up-to-date. :-)
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22:13<sney>yeah just to check and make sure even
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22:18<bros402>ah crap got an error. Doesn't seem to be anything major... but yeah.
22:18<sney>gotta paste more of it
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22:20<bros402>there isn't anything else to it - that's what was at the bottom of my putty window
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22:21<sney>well, what you pasted doesn't say what was wrong with those packages
22:21<stderr>bros402: Doesn't shift+page up work in putty?
22:22<sney>putty itself has a scroll bar though sometimes it doesn't behave, especially if screen is involved
22:22<bros402>Yeah, i'm using screen
22:22<bros402>in case my internet crapped out
22:22<stderr>Ah... :-/
22:22<bros402>I *think* the upgrade went well, as when I check my version through cat /etc/*release, I get PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy)"
22:22<rjsalts>bros402: if you're using screen the ctrl-a esc will get you backscroll
22:23<sney>yeah, either way, dovecot isn't mission critical for the upgrade
22:23<stderr>bros402: That's just _one_ package...
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22:23<bros402>stderr - yes
22:24<bros402>None of the other packages spit out errors from what I noticed while the upgrade was scrolling by
22:24<bros402>yeah checking dovecot's status just spits out errors about how dovecot isn't working, but I can fix that later.
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22:24<bros402>Now to restart the server to make sure it is running fine
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22:28<bros402>And the server restarted without spitting out any catastrophic errors
22:29*dvs reformats the drive
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22:30<bros402>and now my sites are spitting out errors when I try to load them. Welp.
22:30<bros402>Time to troubleshoot that fun!
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22:46<stderr>It didn't work... :-(
22:46<dpkg>Test failed.
22:46<dvs>did someone say something?
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22:47<querty>it made 3 folks type
22:47<stderr>And a bot.
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22:50<querty> hey everyone thanks for all your hep
22:52<querty>hey i have a question about the new version
22:53<querty>does it come with a irc client ?
22:54<querty>"out-a the box"??
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22:57<querty>i think that it would be neat if it did and and that in the "help " -f1 on nautilus that it linked to this channel
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23:28<ixi>using /usr/bin/ftp, would it be possible to "cat" a file from a remote ftp server knowing a login, password and path to file ?
23:30<LtL>ixi: using 'put' somehow, maybe.
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23:34<sney>ssh can use pipes, I've never heard of ftp doing it though
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23:50<ixi>well I need to pipe a file from ftp
23:51<ixi>I am gonna resort to perl script, I think.
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