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---Logopened Sat Aug 10 00:00:50 2013
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00:05<bros402>Any anyone help me with my upgrade issue?
00:06<bros402>Here's what I've done so far: 1. Make a copy of the pre-upgrade disk image. 2. apt-get update & upgrade 3. Change instances of squeeze to wheezy in sources.list 4. apt-get update 5. apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude 6. After about 15-20 minutes, it froze after doing something with mono-apache-server4, and about 10-15 minutes after, I tried to ctrl+c, which was unsuccessful. 7. I hit ctrl+z, then did ps, followed by bg.
00:06<bros402>8. I typed in fg and hit enter. Now it says apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude and below that is the green putty cursor thingie.
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00:31<jmcnaught>bros402: can you open another shell? if you run top does it looks like anything is happening? (use capital P to sort by processor use in top)
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00:38<jmcnaught>bros402: i'm not sure why you used the command Â"apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude". are you following the instructions in the release notes? -- you can also get the dpkg bot to tell you about upgrading withà /msg dpkg squeeze-wheezy
00:39<jmcnaught>sorry about strange characters everyone, first day on a french keyboard :/
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00:53<bros402>jmcnaught - I was following the instructions from my host (linode)
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00:55<bros402>jmcnaught - Yeah, I can, I was running that install in a screen
00:56<bros402>Here's the output of ps aux - - nothing unusual for cpu usage in htop
00:57<jmcnaught>bros402: is apt waiting for inputÃ?
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00:58<bros402>jmcnaught - Last I saw before I ctrl+z'd it was trying to restart apache
00:58<bros402>and it was stuck on that for ~20 minutes
00:58<bros402>It wasn't waiting for a y/n prompt
00:59<jmcnaught>bros402: line 143 of your paste shows a dpkg process with several package names as arguments
01:00<bros402>There's my current putty screen
01:00<jmcnaught>what happens if you press enter?
01:01<bros402>See the space between apt-get install... and the green block?
01:01<bros402>That's what happens
01:01<bros402>here's pstree -
01:03<bros402>Pretty much right now I just want to resolve this issue and get it ready so I can do dist-upgrade, which I will do at a later date, as I need to get to sleep soon
01:03<themill>Maintainer scripts are supposed to be idempotent and dpkg is good at tracking what it has done. I suspect you're about to make use of these properties.
01:05<bros402>Idempotent? Unsure as to the definition of that word. Want to say it is something that can be done multiple times and is application specific?
01:06<themill>The maintainer scripts can be rerun without it being a problem
01:07<themill>(although the process tree says that it's not actually in the middle of a maintainer script at the moment anyway)
01:07<bros402>And what is a maintainer script? Sorry. Never run up against something like this before
01:07<themill>!package scripts
01:07<dpkg>During package installation, dpkg runs a script called "preinst", unpacks the .deb, then runs "postinst". When removing, it runs "prerm", deletes the files and then runs "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script.
01:08<bros402>Like i'm looking at dpkg.log in /var/log - just browsing over it, most of the libmono/momo ones are half-configured
01:08<bros402>themill - so what if I were to shut off the server and boot up a backup. Would any irrevocable damage be done to the disk image?
01:11<themill>I'd be surprised if a reboot were required and I don't know if it's even in a bootable state at the moment. (It should be but I'd rather not test that hypothesis)
01:12<bros402>I know the backup is bootable
01:12<bros402>This is a VPS
01:12<bros402>I duplicated the disk image before starting the upgrade
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01:14<bros402>So I can survive if the disk image is irrevocably damaged/unbootable, it would just be annoying that the upgrade failed so horribly
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01:17<bros402>So what do I do from here themill?
01:17<bros402>How can I gracefully end this dpkg debacle and make it upgrade ready?
01:17<themill>I'm just puzzling over that myself.
01:18<bros402>me too
01:19<bros402>Last night when I upgraded my friends VPS with a similar configuration, it wouldn't even allow apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude to run and I did apt-get upgrade then apt-get dist-upgrade
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01:20<themill>that's not surprising. apt and python tend to get bound together and you can't do that install step like that
01:22<themill>bros402: do you have a /etc/default/mono-apache-server4 ? What's in it?
01:22<bros402># Defaults for mono-apache-server4
01:22<bros402># Should mono-apache-server4 start apache?
01:23<bros402>that's it
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01:23<themill>is there a tempfile file beginning with /tmp/tmp left lying around?
01:23<themill>(I'm just trying to work out where dpkg is up to)
01:23<bros402>in /tmp/tmp?
01:24<bros402>oh you mean in /etc/default
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01:24<themill>a file named like /tmp/filecJJFqD or /tmp/tmpcJJFqD
01:24<bros402>in /tmp we have 2206.jsvc_up
01:24<themill>yeah, that's from one of your other processes not this one.
01:25<bros402>and folders named .ICE-unix, .webmin, .X11-unix, hsperfdata_root, hsperfdata_tomcat55
01:25<themill>OK, so it looks like the maintainer scripts for mono-apache-server4 have finished
01:26<bros402>want me to pastebin dpkg.log?
01:26<themill>yeah that would be handy
01:27<bros402>I can start apache in my non-screen window
01:27<bros402>What if I were to just bring up apache and let stuff run for now, then revisit this tomorrowish?
01:29<themill>a partial upgrade from squeeze to wheezy should work okish. Packages in this specific dpkg run might be a bit messed up though
01:29<themill>that is to say, anything using mono might not work right now
01:29<bros402>I don't use mono anymore
01:29<bros402>at least I don't think so
01:30<bros402>None of my main sites use it, that's what matters
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01:30<bros402>So basically right now mono stuff is broken?
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01:31<bros402>or more accurately, mono is broken
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01:31<bros402>and I'm half upgraded to wheezy
01:31<themill>yeah, that's pretty much the summary. and dpkg is stuck doing something but we don't know what.
01:31<bros402>Ooh, fun
01:33<bros402>So would there be any harm from starting up apache, unrealircd, and teamspeak, and letting stuff run until we can figure out what is up (because I really need to go to sleep and I don't want to wake up to a bunch of messages in 7 hours about how the boards are down)?
01:33<themill>might work ok
01:33<bros402>What potential issues may there be?
01:34<bros402>Aside from needing to remember not to run apt-get update/upgrade
01:34<themill>I'd guess mostly that there's stuff there that won't be working as planned
01:34<bros402>i'll start apache
01:34<bros402>1 sec
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01:34<bros402>Apache starts fine
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01:35<bros402>Sites are loading fine
01:36<themill>Sounds like it's in a state where you can leave it and get some sleep then
01:36<bros402>and I can post to the forums I have hosted fine
01:36<bros402>sleep is good!
01:36<bros402>time to bring up irc
01:36<bros402>boots without issue
01:37<bros402>and IRC is as happy as it usually is after being shut off
01:39<bros402>and teamspeak loads up
01:40<bros402>now time for me to get some sleep
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02:25<calzifer>hi, i'm receiving this from smart "19 Offline uncorrectable sectors" and "1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors" this is the full smart report
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02:38<pmart>on my system `uname -r' gives "3.2.0-4-amd64" and `uname -v' gives "#1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2". what is the reason for the difference between kernel version numbers (.0 vs .41) and which kernel version i'm actually running?
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02:39<themill>one is the package version, the other is the kernel ABI
02:40<themill>!kernel abi
02:40<dpkg>Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged.
02:40<themill>(you can verify this by looking at the output of «apt cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)»
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03:00*Supaplex hugs dpkg-scanpackages
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03:00<pmart>themill: that means i'm running 3.2.41 kernel from the 3.2 line of kernels with ABI version 4
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03:01<anonymous_>hellow guys iam brand new to here can someone help me pleas :)
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03:10<Supaplex>well, if he didn't /quit so fast.
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03:26<Cerb>hello..i updated chromium and now the flashplugin no longer works and i'm not able to reinstall it..anybody could help?
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03:28<musca>hello Cerb
03:28<Cerb>hello musca
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03:29<musca>Cerb: you don't know how to do it, or do you get an error message?
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03:29<Cerb>i ran sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
03:30<Cerb>and i got an error saying that it was not able to download the package
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03:30<Cerb>but if i run that command again i do not get errors
03:30<Cerb>now it seems that the package is installed..but it is not
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03:31<Cerb>maybe i should run purge flashplugin-nonfree e try to run again the install command
03:32<musca>There is an update command for it: update-flashplugin-nonfree -iv
03:32<Cerb>i tried that..but i think i got the same error..let me try again
03:33<Cerb>just this directly on the terminal? with no sudo?
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03:34<musca>with sudo
03:34<musca>Show us the complete output in , please.
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03:36<Cerb>i think it worked..just one second
03:37<Cerb> youtube videos you want to see the output?
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03:38<musca>I'm happy if you are!
03:38<Cerb>earlier I run a different command: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
03:38<Cerb>and it did not work
03:38<Cerb>where did you find the one with -iv?
03:39<musca>computers feel my positive vibrations over hundreds of kilometers distance :)
03:39<Cerb>I found that one here:
03:41<musca>i thought -iv is --install --verbose
03:41<musca>so just a stupid retry.
03:41<Cerb>ah ok..
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03:42<Cerb>thanks a lot
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03:42<Cerb>c u
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03:44<musca>Supaplex: meh?
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03:45<Supaplex>this whole 'dhcp address only' thing is busticated, so every machine on my switch is fubar until i fix every one of them. (multihome network)
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03:47<musca>Supaplex: fubar does exclude the possibility of fixing.
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03:49<Supaplex>hence 'until'
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04:08<danners>hi guys
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04:08<danners>why is enlightenment not in the debian repos?
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04:11<Nazcafan>aptitude install e17 ?
04:13<Nazcafan>danners, the package is there it's called e17
04:14<danners>Nazcafan: apt-cache search e17 returns nothing
04:14<danners>well, nothing related. and thus (tested) the aptitude command doesn't install anything
04:15<Nazcafan>danners, which version of debian are you using?
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04:17<danners>Nazcafan: wheezy
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04:19<neo1691>du -sm gave 97829, is it in GB?? Just want to confirm
04:19<peter1138>no, MB
04:19<peter1138>-m, after all
04:20<Nazcafan>yeah, then you won't get e17
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04:20<Nazcafan>danners, you can have e16
04:20<neo1691>ok that sums up to 97 GB Nazcafan?
04:21<danners>Oh, so the package *isn't* there and called e17...
04:21<danners>no e16 either
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04:22<Nazcafan>darn, you are right
04:22<Nazcafan>they don't have e16 for wheezy
04:22<abrotman>judd: versions e17
04:22<judd>Package: e17 on i386 -- jessie: 0.16.999.70492-2; sid: 0.17.3-1
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04:23<danners>I'd like to get e17 - what's the best strategy?
04:24<danners>I don't necessarily want to upgrade entirely to sid though
04:24<Nazcafan>it's available on testing
04:24<Nazcafan>if it's an acceptable option for you
04:24<danners>Isn't that e16? Noticed it said 0.16
04:25<peter1138>i compiled it from source. then i removed it :p
04:25<danners>peter1138: why removed?
04:25<peter1138>not a fan. i think it worked fine though.
04:25<Supaplex>bts will probably tell you why it was removed
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04:29<neo1691>I used the commands cp debian.iso /dev/sdc1 followed by sync (both as root) to make a usb stick to install wheezy. But due to sum reason it says corrupted when I bot using that stick. Can somebody help me
04:29<danners>Nazcafan: possible to install it without an entire dist-upgrade?
04:30<Supaplex>that's not how you make a bootable usb stick
04:30<Nazcafan>danners, probably not
04:30<Nazcafan>compiling from source might be your most direct option until they backport it
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04:30<abrotman>danners: it's e16.999 it's the beta before e17
04:31<neo1691>Supaplex: I read that in the documentation, what else am I supposed to do
04:31<Supaplex>neo1691: what arch are you targeting? amd64? i386?
04:31<Supaplex>a .iso file is iso9660, usb booting expects a harddisk (different standards)
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04:32<neo1691>Supaplex: amd64, I have downloaded the dvd-1, and I have a bootable bios
04:32<Supaplex>k. let me check one thing
04:33<neo1691>I was about to use unetbootin but I was recommended to follow the install guide by the bot over here
04:33<abrotman>do not use unetbootin, it rarely works
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04:33<gsimmons>neo1691: ITYM "/dev/sdc" (the device), not a partition.
04:34<danners>Nazcafan, abrotman: thanks
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04:34<neo1691>When I plug the usb stick gparted says that its label is /dev/sdc1
04:35<Supaplex>I'll be amazed if iso9660 via 512b/sector reads works, but /dev/sdc would be better.
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04:35<neo1691>Supaplex: Should I try the same command using /dev/sdc
04:36<peter1138>afaik you need to write it to the device, not the first partition of the device
04:37<Supaplex>this looks more promising,
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04:38<Supaplex>gunzip *img.gz ; dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sdc bs=1M
04:38<peter1138>Supaplex, "Debian CD and DVD images can now be written directly a USB stick, which is a very easy way to make a bootable USB stick."
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04:38<gsimmons>Yes, the Debian installation CD/DVD images have been "hybrid" for some time now (/msg dpkg hybrid images).
04:38<Supaplex>cool. This download is 35mb tho :P
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04:39<Supaplex>and there you have it.
04:39*Supaplex is amazed, claps etc :D
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04:41<babilen>Supaplex: Just download whatever image you want (netinst, one of the various CD1, DVD1, ...) and write it directly to the stick. That can be done with, for example, "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB stick. (check "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in)
04:42<babilen>neo1691: ^^ :)
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04:43<Supaplex>provided the destination is same size or larger than the source
04:45<neo1691>babilen: I did exactly the same , cp debian.iso /dev/sdc anything wrong in this? I am using a live boot of mint and it does not have dmseg installed
04:46<neo1691>Supaplex: its an 8gb pen drive and the source is 4.37
04:46<Supaplex>try sudo dmesg
04:46<Supaplex>but that looks right
04:47<Supaplex>seems ... odd dmesg would be missing even on the live mint (but they can do whatever they want)
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04:58<srimca_>how r u??
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05:03<neo1691>Supaplex: I remember there is a tool for windows which makes live usb, can you specify which is that . Its Doze partition thats only working in my machine
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05:05<danners>aplay -Dplughw:0,0 -c3 file.mp3 # this makes a fuzzy noise come through my speakers, regardless of which mp3 i pick;
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05:06<danners>I can't get sound from any other apps at all, so this is the closest i've got. any tips?
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05:10<danners>I remember having sound issues the last time I installed Debian ~10 years ago on a completely different system. *sigh* :(
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05:13<danners>just aplay filename.mp3 doesn't make any sound at all. that indicates that the params were of significance
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05:14<danners>(in at least making my speakers spew white noise)
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05:19<Supaplex>neo1691: there's debian.exe too (d-i installer)
05:19<dpkg>[win32-loader] "Debian-Installer Loader" is a method of transferring Debian-Installer to a system running Microsoft Windows, which can then be restarted to install Debian. To install using CD/DVD or USB, ask me about <setup.exe>. To install from the Internet (or local Debian mirror), ask me about <win32-loader.exe>. See also <install guide>, <d-i>.
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05:22<Supaplex>well, seems I got kfreebsd-amd64 instaled w/o too much trouble. :)
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05:42<wheeler>I have written about my problems with GNOME. I have just moved to Xfce and I want to tell everybody who has problems with other environments that Xfce is great!
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05:43<cagan>hi ubuntu fellas.
05:44<Supaplex>!tell cagan -about ubuntu
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05:44<Supaplex>wheeler: cool :)
05:44<cagan>ı liked but my computer is lower.this way ubuntu works slowly.
05:45<cagan>do you have suggestion about this state.
05:46<Supaplex>besides install debian?
05:46<dpkg>Debian 7 "Wheezy" is now the "stable" Debian release (May 04, 2013). See for images. Developers page is . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on See also <errata>, <g-i>.
05:47<Supaplex>the first link should work well enough
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05:48<neo1691>Supaplex: I again executed both the commands this time with /dev/sdc and the pen drive booted. But then the graphical installer failed with the message Error reading release file
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05:49<neo1691>The CD-ROM does not seem to contain a valid release file
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05:50<cagan>ı cant install.ı gived up :D
05:50<cagan>gave up.
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05:52<devil>never give up. learn. :)
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05:53<neo1691>thats what I am doing, learning cagan
05:53<neo1691>I am not even able to create a live usb
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05:55<genius>ciao a tutti
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05:56<cagan>ı dont have enough english to download from that links. by the way thanks a lot. ı am a new ubuntu fun/guy/person.
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06:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on
06:06<Supaplex>cagan: ^^^^
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06:06<pmart>how can i read the output of init scripts printed to vt1? after X start on vt7 scrollback on vt1 is not available.
06:07<cagan>thanks friends.
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06:08<Supaplex>!tell pmart -about bootlogd
06:08<Supaplex>pmart: if it's not in scrollback, and not in /var/log someplace, it's too late.
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06:10<pmart>i'm trying to debug a serious boot problem. my system often hangs with black screen on boot. but i'm able to login after a few reboots and now i want to somehow inspect what's going on.
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06:11<pmart>i suspect the problem is connected with hybrid graphics setup (nvidia optimus)
06:12<pmart>Supaplex: nothing intresting in /var/log only dmesg and syslog
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06:12<Supaplex>if bootlogd isn't capturing it (lockup logs something only to console, but doesn't save) then you'll have to log to serial (if that's any option on your system)
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06:16<Supaplex>on kfreebsd-amd64, how can I install linux amd64 packages if they're not built for kfreebsd-amd64 yet? (Eg, can I use Linux runtime compatibility in FreeBSD?) I recall using that ~ 2005
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06:17<pmart>Supaplex: so in wheezy bootlogd is a separate package?
06:18<dpkg>bootlogd is used to record boot messages in /var/log/boot - install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by sysvinit-utils; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd
06:18<pmart>no longer in sysvinit-utils
06:18<pmart>yeah, i've read it
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06:18<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>.
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06:19<Supaplex>that's one fallback I would look to next. maybe it has its own package
06:19<pmart>i did search i wanted you to confirm
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06:20<Supaplex>yeah, looks like it's its own package now.
06:20<roughnecks>pmart: it is a separate package from wheezy onward
06:21<Supaplex>pdo says 7.0 starting with stable
06:21<Supaplex>s/7.0 //
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06:22<pmart>dang, so i need to enable persistence for my live system and install it
06:22<pmart>because it's not there
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06:22<pmart>wheezy live xfce desktop is my system
06:23<Supaplex>have a spare drive? try a regular install?
06:23<pmart>and i don't want to install to hdd before this thing is sorted out
06:23<Supaplex>even a 40gb would be plenty (for now)
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06:24<Supaplex>or usb external (avoid flash if you can)
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06:25<pmart>Supaplex: i have a usb flash stick, i'm currently booting live system from it
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06:26<pmart>i could install a regular debian to it
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06:26<pmart>why should i avoid flash?
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06:26<Supaplex>it'll wear out faster (but a few weeks to isolate why would probably be worth it). just don't use swap
06:27<Supaplex>hopefully you have enough ram (swap wears heavy on flash)
06:28<pmart>yes, i need it for testing only and can live without swap with 3G ram
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06:29<Supaplex>sounds like you still have windows, right? ( make it easy, just use debian.exe or whatever they renamed it to)
06:30<Supaplex>I think I'm going to call it a night. good luck pmart.
06:30<pmart>Supaplex: no! for heaven's sake, not windows. lubuntu 11.11 is installed to hdd
06:30<pmart>Supaplex: thanks
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06:31<Supaplex>pmart: download the netboot version of debian installer, poke grub to load that kernel+initrd (I'd explain more, but that should get you close)
06:32<Supaplex>np. take care
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09:22<TheMike>Is there a full list of suitable licenses for debian package somewhere? Specifically, I'm wondering about CC-BY-SA 3.0 unported.
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09:25<dump>hey there, iam getting frustrated with trying to build 32bit wine on debian wheezy 64bit
09:25<Zaba>dump, use pbuilder
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09:28<dump>sounds easy ...
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09:29<gsimmons>TheMike: may be of interest.
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09:31<Zaba>dump, well... it automates a lot of stuff, so actually yes, for properly prepared sources, it is :P
09:32<Zaba>dump, maybe cowbuilder is a better option, too
09:32<dump>ok pbuilder allready gave me error messages which i dont find any info in the web about :D
09:32<Zaba>but the idea is the same - they make a chroot (in your case, you tell it to make a 32-bit one) and build a package in it
09:33<dump>i probably just try continuing installing all libs by hand
09:33<TheMike>thanks gsimmons
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09:37<dump>especially as the pbuilder errors make even less sense in regards that i want to compile wine
09:37<dump>thanks anyway
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09:40<TheMike>ffs, I have to write a makefile now
09:40<TheMike>debian-- # all my life I have avoided this moment
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09:54<TheMike>Can I make dh_buildpackage use something other than a makefile? Like a Module::Build script, or just a shell script?
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09:59<neo1691>I tried almost everything to get the dvd-1 of debian into a bootable usb stick but am failing badly since morning. The closest that I can get is I managed to make the usb bootable but at installation it says the CD ROM does not seem to contain a valid release file. Somebody please help
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10:07<TheMike>What's that variable that your makefile should install into? Instead of /usr/bin, you install to $DIR/bin/ so you can put that under /usr, or in your home dir, or wherever... is that called DESTDIR?
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10:07<catsup>themike: yes
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10:08<TheMike>ok, so if I have files that go into /usr/share/games/fortunes/, I should install to $(DESTDIR)/share/games/fortunes/?
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10:10<catsup>TheMike: ... that's not the right link...
10:10<catsup>TheMike: i'm looking for the link that documents the whole convention
10:11<TheMike>sweet, thanks
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10:14<neo1691>I tried all possible ways to get a usb bootable to install debian 7.1 from the dvd-iso I downloaded. The closest I can get to is get the pendrive bootable but it gives an error that the CD-ROM does not seem to contain the release file. please can someone help me
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10:14<nevyn>neo1691: how did you try to do it?
10:14<nevyn>neo1691: did you use dd?
10:14<zykotick9>neo1691: are you using windows or gnu/linux to create it?
10:14<catsup>TheMike: i was looking at the wrong document entirely!
10:14<neo1691>I tried it from the command line, unetbootin etc
10:15<neo1691>zykotick9: both
10:15<neo1691>on the command line i used cp debian.iso /dev/sdc
10:15<zykotick9>neo1691: from gnu/linux use cat/cp/(or dd)
10:15<nevyn>cp works
10:16<neo1691>Its not working. Right now I am booting live mint 14 to get to this irc. I did cp, the pendrive says the iso is corrupted
10:16<roughnecks>neo1691: have you checked the integrity of iso image?
10:16<neo1691>and unetbootin atleast gets me to the graphical installer of debian
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10:16<neo1691>roughnecks: md5 sum?
10:16<zykotick9>neo1691: is it unetbootin that give the "can't find cdrom"-type error?
10:17<neo1691>no zykotick9 unetbootin does the job, when I use that stick to boot, It takes me to the graphical installer of debian and then it gives that error
10:17<roughnecks>neo1691: yes
10:17<zykotick9>neo1691: so that's a yes then... typical with unetbootin i believe
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10:18<roughnecks>unetbootin is not recommended
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10:18<neo1691>I will verify the authenticity and report back, and I tried unetbootin as my last resort
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10:18<aaditya>its quite difficult to create bootable usb installer for debian..i have tired YUMI (your multiboot installer) and it boots into setup correctly but when installing it says cd rom needed to load
10:19<neo1691>aaditya: I am getting the same error
10:19<zykotick9>aaditya: cat and cp are pretty easy, IMO
10:19<catsup>i just use dd
10:19<neo1691>i used cp, its not working
10:19<TheMike>catsup: ok, so from reading that, it looks like I should use $(prefix)/share/games/fortune
10:19<catsup>maybe your usb media is bad
10:20<catsup>TheMike: no, pretty sure you're supposed to use several layers of variables
10:20<TheMike>which is basically the same as $(DESTDIR)/share/games/fortune, afaict. Which you said was wrong. >_<
10:20<aaditya>best & easiest way to install debian via cdrom..
10:20<roughnecks>!usb install
10:20<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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10:22<catsup>TheMike: DESTDIR is prefixed to the other variables
10:22<neo1691>catsup: I checked the same media and booted xubuntu worked fine
10:22<catsup>$(DESTDIR)/$(datarootdir) ... but $(datarootdir) is $(prefix)/share
10:22<catsup>erm, drop the /
10:24<catsup>neo1691: then maybe it's the ISO
10:25<neo1691>the authenticity of the iso is valid, I checked the md5 sum and its the same
10:25<catsup>neo1691: anyway, xubuntu uses the same software to construct the image
10:25<catsup>i assume... isolinux
10:25<bcdonadio>I selected the AES chipher on debian-installer to be used on my encrypted container. Is Luks using the AES-NI instructions? How can I be sure of this?
10:26<neo1691>catsup: yes that means the md5sum is the same
10:26<neo1691>I will give one last try using win32diskimager
10:27<catsup>bcdonadio: check lsmod output for aes
10:27<neo1691>by the way, a little off topic, anyone knows of a good irc client for android, AndChat is not working, unreachable host
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10:28<mgv>neo1691: yaaic?
10:28<neo1691>so that I can be connected to this channel while switching between different live boots on my machine
10:28<aaditya>i dont think win32diskimager works because it basically formats the usb drive as the cdrom, but while installing the installer looks for the cdrom in the actual drive..
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10:28<catsup>bcdonadio: you should see aesni-intel
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10:29<bcdonadio>catsup, aesni_intel is loaded, but can I be sure of this using something like "luks show options" or something?
10:29<neo1691>aaditya: thats bed, I am getting the same problem, maybe it happens for people in india? (illlogical)
10:29<catsup>bcdonadio: it's not a luks option. luks just calls to the linux kernel for aes. the linux kernel decides which aes module to use. luks has nothing to do with it.
10:30<neo1691>Ahan, I tried this win32diskimager also, saw the link, it fails too
10:30<aaditya>neo1691: hehe..
10:30<bcdonadio>catsup, hmmm... got it
10:30<neo1691>better off I should buy myself a new blank dvd
10:30<aaditya>yup cd/dvd install for debian works
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10:31<bcdonadio>catsup, so, the only way to choose sw or hw aes is recompiling the kernel? there's no granularity on this behavior?
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10:32<catsup>bcdonadio: you don't need to recompile. you can just remove the kernel module
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10:33<catsup>bcdonadio: but it's a kernel global thing, you can't use the aesni module for some purposes and the aes generic module for others
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10:33<bcdonadio>catsup, I mean, whatever userland application that requests AES crypto trough CryptoAPI to kernel there's no way to specify if it does want HW or SW processing, is it?
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10:35<catsup>bcdonadio: no, there isn't, the architecture is such that the ni module just provides the same interface as the aes software implementation and you get whichever one the kernel provides
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10:36<bcdonadio>catsup, hmmm, ok, gotcha, than you ^^
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10:36<catsup>bcdonadio: with luks you're not even doing the crypto in a userland application anyway
10:36<catsup>bcdonadio: it's done entirely in the kernel with dm (devicemapper)
10:37<aaditya>i am booting debian in the uefi takes longer to boot than it used to with bios..could anyone tell me why that is?
10:37<neo1691>Giving universal usb installer a try
10:37<catsup>aaditya: uefi mode has to load nsa drivers
10:38<aaditya>also using manjaro (arch fork) and it boots a lot quicker
10:38<aaditya>could it be because debian doesnt use non free drivers?
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10:40<aaditya>catsup: please tell whats nsa drivers? searching for it doesnt yield any results
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10:40<catsup>oh, that was a joke
10:41<catsup>national security agency... keylogging drivers... ;)
10:41<aaditya>ok..i am new here!
10:41<catsup>if you want the docs, you have to email snowden
10:41<catsup>but his email got shut down by nsa :/
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10:44<aaditya>i wonder why snowden decided to reveal himself in the first place..
10:44<aaditya>especially as the attention was earlier focused on assange..
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10:44<CeiHa>paranoids ;)
10:45<catsup>i guess he figured they would find out who did it anyway
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10:45<catsup>so he wanted to leave the country to avoid prison. that in itself would reveal he did it. so why not go public.
10:47<aaditya>yeah, why not go out with a bang ;)
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10:49<CeiHa>Package linux-patch-grsecurity2 was found security bug, in repository stable?
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11:16<aaditya>ahem..i have a it possible( safe) to downgrade from testing to stable...initially i had installed LMDE...but dint receive updates for like 2 months, so i decided to upgrade to testing and i did...basically i want an environment where i can work at ease and update my system about a month or so..
11:17<sney>if you're still working from the Mint install then you don't have testing or stable, just broken. "upgrading" from some based-on-debian distribution to debian is not supported ever
11:19<aaditya>i changed the sources.list to point to testing and did a dist-upgrade..i <thinK> that i am pretty puch running jessie now! and btw its mentioned on the LMDE page that one can switch to testing.
11:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 591] by debhelper
11:21<aaditya> - "3. What is a semi-rolling distribution?
11:21<aaditya>Updates are constantly fed to Debian Testing, where users experience frequent regressions but also frequent bug fixes and improvements. LMDE receives “Update Packs” which are tested snapshots of Debian Testing. Users can experience a more stable system thanks to update packs, or switch their sources to follow Testing, or even Unstable, directly to get more frequent updates."
11:21<babilen>aaditya: We still don't support it and a downgrade from testing to stable is also not supported on Debian, so you system is probably out of luck.
11:21<babilen>aaditya: If you plan to run Debian stable I would recommend to install wheezy from scratch as detailed in "/msg dpkg install debian" and linked factoids.
11:22<aaditya>got it.
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11:29<aaditya>cat /etc/debian_version
11:29<aaditya> lsb_release -a
11:29<aaditya>No LSB modules are available.
11:29<aaditya>Distributor ID: LinuxMint
11:29<aaditya>Description: LMDE MATE Edition
11:29<aaditya>Release: 1
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11:34<hao>which command manage wireless without gui
11:34<Apollo>babilen: "But my distro claims it's Debian, you must help me!"
11:35<redshadowhero>hao: iwconfig
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11:37<hao>thanks a lot, let me man it
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11:42<redshadowhero>Did that work for you, hao?
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11:44<babilen>hao: See and also read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz
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12:04<ChibaPet>blahw: Does it have something to do with Debian? If not, please don't.
12:04<blahw>oh yeah it is all build on debian, yes no mre plunging
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12:26<ethan>hello everyone
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12:27<gtwarez>hola mundo!
12:28<ethan>i've been using Mint for about almost a year and I recently switched over to Debian because I wanted something a little more stable and I gotta say it's great and everything except for one tiny thing...I notice that Audacity crashes a lot, maybe even more so than it did on Mint. Could anybody explain the reason for this? Is it just a Linux thing?
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12:29<ethan>i've tried both 32 bit and 64 and they both crash at the same rate
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12:33<ChibaPet>ethan: I've seen a little instability with Audacity. I suspect it's Audacity itself getting confused.
12:35<ethan>i hate to say it but I think it runs best on Windows :/
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12:39<musca>giovani: may i help you?
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12:40<musca>giovani: this is an english channel.
12:40<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:41<musca>He prefers to try a reboot, it seems.
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13:31<mat7dob>Hello! I need some help with installing packages in debian. May I ask anybody for help, please?
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13:32<gsimmons>mat7dob: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
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13:34<mat7dob>Thanks. So I want to install libmagicwand-dev package on my Debian 7.1 (wheezy)
13:34<mat7dob>But when I use apt-get or aptitude - it is not listed.
13:35<mat7dob>When I downloaded it from the website mentioned above - I got tens of new dependencies. A lot of
13:36<mat7dob>".....-dev" packages are not listed. I wonder if I ma missing anything in my etc/apt/source.list ?
13:36<gsimmons>mat7dob: I think you want "libmagickwand-dev" (extra k), not libmagicwand-dev.
13:36<mat7dob>sorry - yes, libmagickwand-dev
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13:37<mat7dob>The same for other packages - apt-get cannot find it in online repositories.
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13:38<gsimmons>You will need to provide us with more information, if you are having trouble installing this or other packages.
13:38<gsimmons>dpkg: tell mat7dob -about bat
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13:41<mat7dob>gsimmons: I am able to download and install the package with dpkg -i package_name command, but then again - tens of other dependencies. I do not want to download them manually...
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13:43<mat7dob>is it something I did wrong, that my 'apt-get' can not find packages listed on the website? Even when I added the recommended line to my source_list file: deb wheezy main
13:44<gsimmons>mat7dob: Did you run "apt-get update" after amending your sources.list?
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13:46<massi>mat7dob: what packege?
13:47<mat7dob>gsimmons: You are absolutely right!!! "apt-get update" helped.
13:47<mat7dob>MANY THANKS!!!!!!
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13:48<Dentych>Hello there. I'
13:49<Dentych>I click enter too early. Good job, Dentych.. Anyway. I'm making an automatic backup script, and I was wondering what the fastest compression tool is?
13:49<Dentych>Is it zip, tar or something third?
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14:17<mgv>Dentych: tar is not compression, only archiving. lzop is a very fast compression tool
14:17<jmcnaught>Dentych: tar doesn't compress, that's why you'll see files that end with ".tar.gz" or ".tar.bz2" (for gzip and bzip2). Gzip is probably the fastest, but bzip2 is more effective. There's probably a bunch of speed comparisons available at your local google
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14:18<mgv>Dentych: so if you're looking for speed, tar and then lzop the result
14:18<Dentych>jmcnaught & mgv: Oh alright. I guess that's why it's so damn fast then :D Well, AFAIK Gzip is only single-threaded, so it'll take some time to compress, right?
14:19<Dentych>mgv: Is lzop multithreaded?
14:19<mgv>but it is faster than gzip
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14:19<mgv>it's probably not
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14:20<mgv>there is a multithreaded gzip though, it's called pigz
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14:21<ixi>there is also pixz
14:24<weasel>there's also pigz
14:24<weasel>ah, mgv already mentioned that one
14:25<mgv>Dentych: a very unscientific benchmark I've just ran shows that on my particular machine, lzop compresses 100MB of /dev/urandom in 0.2s, pigz in 0.7s and gzip in 3.7
14:26<mgv>you should benchmark for yourself and see which is best for you (considering both compression time and ratio)
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14:34<Dentych>mgv: Wow, that is fast :o
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14:34<Dentych>mgv: Will it kill my server completely during the compression time?
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14:34<mgv>test it and see. why would it?
14:35<mgv>there's also nice and ionice for avoiding this
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14:45<Dentych>mgv: True, never used nice, though. But once has to be the first, right? ;D
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14:55<Dentych>mgv: Is it me being stupid, or can lzop only compress files, not directories? So I'd have to tar it first or something?
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15:04<stderr>Dentych: As far as I know, it's only a compressor, not an archiver.
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15:06<Dentych>stderr: Alright. It seems very much like it. It also says something about it ignoring directories in the man files. Though, I can just tar it first. No problems ;)
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15:14<Rockj>Q: what kind of scripts are run on the bot "nsa" on this network? what surveillance software is used in the backend? etc?
15:15<stderr>We could tell you, but... well, you know the rest.
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15:18<Rockj>stderr: I know the bot's name a fun spin off but this was a proper question about, as I would like to use something familiar myself on my own servers to report to my own IRCD
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15:19<Rockj>(laaagy terminal. ...about the irc bot.)
15:20<sney>Rockj: it's a network bot so try in #oftc, #debian is for debian questions
15:21<stderr>Rockj: I'm not sure, but maybe this:
15:22<weasel>it's a commit mail to irc thing.
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15:22<Rockj>hm, in #alioth the bot spits out warning messages about little disk space, zombie processes etc
15:23<weasel>that's because nagios sends mail to it
15:23<Rockj>ok, so it's simply nagios. Ok, that's what I wanted to know.
15:23<@Ganneff>its a mail to irc
15:23<weasel>well, icinga
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15:25<Rockj>but thanks :-)
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15:42<zeev>Can a user mount an usb device as another user(/member of another group) without having the access to the device?
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15:49<zeev>Can a user mount an usb device as another user(/member of another group) without having the access to the device? (Maybe he needs to be in sudoers...)
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16:18<lupine>hmm, creating gre tunnels isn't working for me in debian. it complains "add tunnel gre0 failed: No such device", even when I tell it to have a different tunnel name
16:18<lupine>I guess I'm missing something; but I've loaded the gre kernel module, and I can't think of anything else offhand
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16:21<stderr>lupine: I think we need to see some more of your config and the commands you're trying. Could you put something on
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16:24<lupine>it's really as simple as modprobe gre ; modprobe ip_gre ; root@access1:/etc/iproute2# ip tunnel add gre1 mode gre and the output is "add tunnel gre0 failed: No such device"
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16:25<lupine>I've got an ipip one running, but obviously, I can't pass ip6 over that
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16:26<stderr>Don't you need local and remote too?
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16:26<lupine>adding them doesn't change the outcome, but no, you can add a tunnel interface without specifying them
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16:29<stderr>Hmm, what about "dev" to tell which interface to use?
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16:30<lupine>same issue. I think it's expecting a linux kernel knob to be twiddled, to create an internal device called gre0 for control purposes, that hasn't been twiddled
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16:31<stderr>No ideas then...
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16:32<syko>is ssh tunnelling + socks4/sock5 secure?
16:32<syko>Ganneff: is ssh tunnelling + socks4/sock5 secure?
16:33<sney>you didn't get a response within a few seconds so you pinged an op with your same question
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16:33<sney>that's a great way to get help from volunteers :P
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16:34<bzed>lupine: man interfaces, look for gre.
16:34<bzed>lupine: ip tunnel at least needs an endpoint and similar stuff
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16:35<lupine>setting it in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work either
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17:08<lupine>brought it up with the backports kernel, all is good
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17:30<NY-AN>anyone here use the web anonymously?
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17:30<NY-AN>I'm looking to do an interview over TorChat for a minute or two if anyone's interested
17:32<sney>this is a support channel for debian users, I can't help but suspect you're asking in the wrong place
17:32<NY-AN>oh boy
17:32<NY-AN>sorry about that
17:32<NY-AN>it joined by default and I macroed
17:32<NY-AN>won't happen again
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17:51<anastasis>has anyone successfully colunar chinese calendar from the source here
17:52<anastasis>If so, I would appreciate some help. Something is going wrong with make install
17:52<devil>and the something is?
17:52<sney>pastebin your log
17:53<sney>looks like it hasn't been updated in 3 years so that may be related to the problem
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17:58<sney>or it's just incomplete software.
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18:12<stderr>anastasis: Are you using the (handwritten?) Makefile or the autotool
18:13<stderr>The first one doesn't have an "install" target. Could that be your problem?
18:13<SamB>wth does it have both
18:14<stderr>It got lots of weirdness...
18:14<anastasis>Hey, I don't know. I don't get it. It should be straight forward. Anyway, I don't have time to figure it out this afternoon. Thought somebody may have gotten it. Thanks. ;-)
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18:15<stderr>anastasis: You never gave us a link to
18:15<anastasis>no time this afternoon. Have to go in a while.
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18:16<anastasis>will have to get to it when i can fiddle with it.
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18:17<Anunaki>Imal trave
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18:19<stderr>Anunaki: You'll have to speak English in here.
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18:21<Anunaki>Anyone from Serbia?
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18:23<Supaplex>we have other debian channels
18:24<Supaplex>also (for other languages)
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18:58<drowsy>Hi, can anybody please look at ? Debian installer does not work for me
18:59<drowsy>this is on relatively new hardware, so wheezy does not have a LAN driver
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18:59<drowsy>and "testing" fails with some msg about kernel modules being different version
18:59<sney>the testing installer is not really ready for primetime
18:59<sney>why not try an offline install with CD1
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19:00<sney>also, what NIC is it? it's possible you only need firmware rather than an entire drier
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19:00<drowsy>LAN Chipset Intel i217V
19:00<drowsy>supposed to be in the e1000e driver
19:01<drowsy>but wheezy fails to use it
19:01<sney> for the offline installer. same link but /iso-dvd/ on the end for the dvd isos
19:01<sney>you only need the first disc of either as stated previously
19:01<sney>hmm, do you have a pci id by any chance
19:02<drowsy>I could try CD1, see how that goes
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19:03<drowsy>but if there is a version of the testing installer that has no "kernel module" bug, that would be a lot easier
19:04<sney>I just checked and the i217V does require a newer kernel than what's in wheezy. so my recommendation to you is to install with CD1, then download the 3.9 kernel from and install that
19:05<sney>you can download it on a separate machine and truck it over with flash memory, or whatever works for you. kernel packages don't have much in the way of dependencies.
19:05<drowsy>worst case I burn the files to a CDR
19:05<sney>the testing installer is intended for developing the newer version of the installer so this soon after a major release it does tend to be pretty useless
19:05<drowsy>sney: ok, thanks
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20:02<cae>someone from the www team here? throws 404 (as expected) but also all the other media linked from that site
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20:03<cae>they seem to have a "/release" too much in the URL, as thows a 404 and is the correct picture
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20:05<stderr>When you say "other media linked from that site", what site are you talking about?
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20:05<cae>stderr: external CSS, images and other stuff the browser automatically loads to display the page
20:05<stderr>What page contains broken links?
20:06<cae>the first linked,
20:06<stderr>So your complain is that when you visit a page that doesn't exist and that nobody links to, it's broken?
20:06<cae>(probably it's a problem with the german l10n that I receive)
20:07<cae>stderr: yeah, because e.g. is meant to be broken and does _not_ have broken links/CSS
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20:09<stderr>The src's on are relative and it does look like they're missing a "../"
20:10<stderr>I'm not sure I would call it a bug.
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20:12<stderr>Anyway... There's an email-address in the HTML source, if you want to report it.
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20:14<cae>stderr: yeah, that's prbably the best way... even to determine if it's broken or a feature
20:14<stderr>Actually, there's another email-address at the bottom of the page.
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20:15<stderr>Probably better to use that address than one "hidden" in the source.
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21:03<Dentych>Can we agree that nice +15 means it will get a very low amount of CPU time?
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21:03<themill>no. If it's the only thing that wants CPU, it will get 100% CPU.
21:04<Dentych>And if it's not the only thing?
21:04<dcraig>let's say something else wants 5% CPU... then your niced thing will get 95%
21:05<Sammy1231>hey there
21:06<Sammy1231>is it possible to identify deleted files in an ext3 FS and overwrite them with zeros?
21:07<Sammy1231>Reason: I want to dd an image from my system partition, but before I do that, I'd like to wipe and zero cached packages; however the only way I know to empty the cache is apt-get clean
21:07<Dentych>Well.. If you set nice +15, it means it will be lower in the ranking? So if I have something that demands 95% the niced will get %5?
21:08<Sammy1231>Afterwards, the files can no longer be overwritten because they are already deleted, but they still make compressing the dd'd image more difficult than necessary
21:08<dcraig>what's the priority of the thing demanding 95%?
21:09<Dentych>There is no such thing right now. I'm running a MC server, and I'm trying to make this backup script do the backup without causing lag to the MC server..
21:09<Dentych>So I thought, if I add nice to the backup script, the MC server will be priority #1 and will stay out of lag
21:10<Dentych>Though, it lags pretty bad, so I think I'm wrong :D
21:10<Sammy1231>Dentych: Have you considered I/O bottlenecks?
21:11<Dentych>Sammy1231: Umm.. No. To be honest, I'm still a noob at this, so I haven't really heard about that before. I'm going to read up on it now, though
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21:16<stderr>Sammy1231: After deleting whatever files you want to delete, you could do something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/some/tmp/file ; rm /some/tmp/file
21:16<Sammy1231>stderr: That's what I was afraid of; I don't like filling disk space, a system once pretty much broke down on me because of full disk
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21:17<Sammy1231>To be honest *blush* I can't remember whether it was Windows or Debian ...
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21:18<stderr>I'm not sure it's a good idea to dd a live filesystem.
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21:19<Sammy1231>stderr: What could go wrong aside from a bad copy?
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21:22<stderr>Let's say after dd'ing half the disk, something writes some data to the first half of the disk, but writes the inodes for those datablocks to the second half of the disk.
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21:22<stderr>You would get a copy of the inodes, but not the datablocks.
21:23<stderr>The journal might help, but I wouldn't count on it. You could get half a working journal too...
21:23<Sammy1231>stderr: So the danger is not to the actual running system but the copy might be corrupted?
21:24<stderr>If you're only reading from the running system, nothing bad should happen to it. Should... :-)
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21:24<Sammy1231>stderr: The system has to be running; how could I make an image file from it anyway?
21:24<stderr>Live CD?
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21:25<Sammy1231>We're talking about the network drive again, only interface is an ethernet plug
21:25<stderr>Rescue mode from an install CD, without mounting the partition.
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21:26<stderr>Do you have to dd it? rsync or whatever isn't "good enough"?
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21:27<Sammy1231>I more or less need an image file I can dd to certain partition which then becomes the new system partition
21:28<Sammy1231>So if I can create a runnable system by rsyncing just the files, ok, but I thought that would not work
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21:29<stderr>Depending on the bootloader, it might work. What are you using?
21:30<Sammy1231>yaboot *shudder*
21:31<stderr>I have no idea how that one works... :-/
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21:31<Node_8392>i need some help. i tried an install without help, it worked, i installed a bunch of stuff in apper, after a couple reboots i can no longer connect to the internet. dns never resolves.
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21:31<Node_8392>i flushed iptables rules and set the policies to accept, killall -9 portsentry and tor
21:31<Node_8392>still no dns
21:32<Sammy1231>stderr: We're on the same page with that one. I'm just happy it works, but I don't know how
21:32<stderr>Node_8392: DHCP or static IP?
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21:33<stderr>Do you have an IP-address?
21:33<Node_8392>checking ...
21:34<blast007>Sammy1231: in this device, is the OS located on a disk you could pull and image with another system?
21:35<Node_8392>yes eth1 has a correct ip address for the lan
21:36<stderr>Sammy1231: It seems Yaboot understands ext3, so maybe rsync would work... But blast007's idea is a lot better, if possible.
21:36<stderr>Node_8392: Does /etc/resolv.conf look right?
21:37<Node_8392>checking ...
21:37<stderr>Node_8392: Does traceroute -n work?
21:39<Sammy1231>stderr: blast007: I'd love to not have to pull it from its encasing every time, but if I don't find anything else, I'll go with that ...
21:39<Node_8392> /etc/resolv.conf has the gateway address (gateway doesn't do dns). checking traceroute ...
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21:40<Node_8392>traceroute works
21:40<stderr>Node_8392: /etc/resolv.conf has the gateway address as nameserver? Sounds like a broken DHCP-server.
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21:41<Node_8392>server is fine or i could not be here in knoppix on second machine
21:41<Node_8392>i'm the admin of the server
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21:41<Node_8392>it's good believe me
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21:42<Node_8392>i know i screwed up something on the install
21:42<Node_8392>i haven't had time to configure any of the packages
21:42<Node_8392>i added
21:42<stderr>Ok, you could try to fix your /etc/resolv.conf, but the wrong IP-address got there somehow. Most likely from the DHCP-server.
21:42<Apollo>I concur with stderr
21:43<Node_8392>is there a way to have it just use any dns server that responds?
21:44<stderr>You mean something like mDNS? Only if you set it up. mDNS uses another port.
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21:45<Node_8392>i don't know what i mean. normally when i setup internet i just dont specify the dns and everything just works
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21:45<stderr>Because you get the address of the DNS from the DHCP-server.
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21:45<Node_8392>that server has never had any dns addresses to give
21:45<stderr>But right now it seems like your DHCP-server is misconfigured.
21:46<Node_8392>it's an apple airport extreme
21:46<Node_8392>setup from mac os x
21:46<stderr>Then I guess it's magic...
21:46<Node_8392>i dunno
21:46<stderr>BTW: Apple are HIGH on zeroconf and mDNS...
21:47<Node_8392>will rm'ing /etc/resolv.conf fix it?
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21:47<Node_8392>oh then i do need mDNS
21:47<Node_8392>oh then i do need mDNS?
21:47<stderr>Maybe you're already using mDNS without knowing it.
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21:48<Node_8392>everything was working when i installed the packages from the debian server. the reboot is what did it. something i installed changed something and broke my internet for that debian install
21:48<Node_8392>and the reboot made the changes take effect
21:49<Node_8392>i'm new to linux
21:49<Node_8392>old unix hand but new to linux
21:50<stderr>Maybe avahi-dnsconfd is what you need.
21:50<Node_8392>and 10 years out of practice with anything
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21:51<Node_8392>trying to install a package is how i found out i broke my internet
21:51<themill>are we sure that the airport thingy doesn't do dns proxying? Most consumer modem/router boxes do
21:51<Node_8392>it prolly does. that would not surprise me
21:51<stderr>Node_8392: I thought you said it didn't give out any DNS addresses?
21:51<Node_8392>if that is the case the /etc/resolv.conf might be correct?
21:52<Node_8392>it doesn't afaik but it probably forwards the requests and returns the responses
21:52<stderr>If the airport is your gateway, it would make sense...
21:52<Node_8392>using first dns to respond
21:53<Node_8392>like u said, it may have it's own mDNS
21:53<Node_8392>yes the airport is my gateway
21:54<Sammy1231>How can I look up with mdadm which partitions are involved into a raid
21:54<stderr>I said that based on what you told me. I wouldn't have said that, if I knew it was your gateway.
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21:55<Node_8392>hey this knoppix disc has an /etc/resolv.conf that perfectly matches my debian one. and this is woking here
21:55<stderr>Sammy1231: cat /proc/mdstat is easier...
21:55<Sammy1231>herpderp. Missed that one. Thanks
21:56<Node_8392>i'm not trying to mislead. my understanding may not be perfect
21:57<Node_8392>i keep thinking the firewall is blocking or something
21:57<Node_8392>make a sysctl setting changed?
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21:58<stderr>Node_8392: Just to be sure... What does grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf say?
21:58<Node_8392>i did install apf-firewall or something like that. i have not got it configured yet
21:58<Node_8392>checking ...
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21:59<Node_8392>typing ....
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22:00<themill>ahh... a newly installed and unconfigured firewall would be well worth investigating at this stage
22:01<stderr>More typing coming up... Can you copy the output of iptables -L -nv on
22:01<Node_8392>hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
22:02<Node_8392>the other machine is in the other room. and i type slow
22:02<themill>You use a usb stick and sneakernet to pastebin the output
22:03<Node_8392>maybe i can cat > file on a flashdrive?
22:03<Node_8392>then copy/paste?
22:03<Node_8392>yes that
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22:04<stderr>A bit of a weird firewall setting... Blocking DNS, but allowing traceroute -n to get through.
22:04<Node_8392>or i can describe it. i wrote an iptables filewall like way back in '98 and i've forgotten everything. but some of it may come back
22:04<themill>Do we know that dns is actually blocked?
22:05<stderr>[03:31:37] <Node_8392> i need some help. i tried an install without help, it worked, i installed a bunch of stuff in apper, after a couple reboots i can no longer connect to the internet. dns never resolves.
22:05<Node_8392>well nothing resolves
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22:05<themill>How are you testing that?
22:06<Node_8392>well i switched from apper telling me that to iceweasel telling me that cuz i dont need a password to load a webpage
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22:06<Node_8392>lemme look at iptables output ...
22:07<themill>you said you'd already flushed iptables rules didn't you
22:08<stderr>[03:31:48] <Node_8392> i flushed iptables rules and set the policies to accept, killall -9 portsentry and tor
22:08<Node_8392>there are headers for a list but the list is empty
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22:08<Node_8392>also indicates a bunch of data accepted
22:09<themill>I wonder if we've still got a redirection to a tunnel that's not running
22:09<Node_8392>the iput, forward, and output lists all look like that except no data on forward
22:09<stderr>Yeah, I just noticed that "tor" right now too...
22:09<Node_8392>themill, i was also thing that.
22:10<Node_8392>i checked the list of running processes
22:11<Node_8392>nothing there, no tor, privoxy, polipo, portsentry, etc
22:11<Node_8392>or i'm overlooking something
22:11<blast007>checked your proxy settings?
22:11<Node_8392>how do i do that in debian?
22:13<themill>I assume tor is using the nat table in iptables and this apf-firewall thing could be using the security table based on what it says it does. Checking those tables in iptables would be good too
22:14<Node_8392>iptables -S shows 3 tables: INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT. how do i discover any others like security?
22:14<stderr>I haven't been using tor in years. I can't remember how it hooks itself into the system.
22:14<stderr>Node_8392: iptables -t nat ...
22:14<Node_8392>checking ...
22:15<stderr>(And INPUT FORWARD and OUTPUT are chains, not tables.)
22:16<Node_8392>i'll learn .. ;?
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22:16<Node_8392>no command specified \ try iptables -h or iptables --help for help
22:17<stderr>iptables -t nat -L -nv
22:17<Node_8392>checking ...
22:18<Node_8392>all lists are empty with 0 bytes
22:20<stderr>And the security table?
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22:20<Node_8392>i installed vidalia but i havent configured anything yet. i did check the vidalia config and no proxy is specified. so only tor could be doing any proxying. checking ...
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22:21<themill>egads... how many unconfigured proxy things might have inserted themselves between you and a working internet connection?
22:21<Node_8392>same, all lists empty, all 0 bytes
22:22<Node_8392>could snort do this?
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22:24<Node_8392>i guess i could always start over.... but i did go through that whole list in the docs icon in apper and found the admin manuals for debian and installed them. you can refer me to those if it will help
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22:24<Node_8392>not looking to do that list again tho, it's soooooo long
22:25<Node_8392>i havent had time to read up yet, gonna take weeks
22:25<Node_8392>this was last night
22:25<dragonious>Hello everyone, Im trying to sync my ipod using Banshee and Im getting errors telling me that the device is read only how do I fix this?
22:26<Node_8392>i passed up on banshee cuz it was gnome and i use kde. is there a way to make banshee work in kde?
22:27<dragonious>I read a post that says the device may be journaled and I need to plug it into a mac to change that but I have no mac to plug it into.
22:27<sney>you can run most gnome apps in kde and vice versa, you just need to have the dependencies installed and integration might not be perfect depending on what it is
22:27<dragonious>Im fortunatly running Gnome
22:27<sney>dragonious: is it a hfs ipod or a vfat ipod?
22:27<Node_8392>would apper handle the dependencies?
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22:28<sney>Node_8392: apt-get/aptitude would. I don't know what "apper" is
22:28<dragonious>sney I just got it from the gamestop used its a 4th gen Ipod nano
22:28<themill>,i apper
22:28<judd>Package apper (kde, optional) in wheezy/i386: KDE package management tool using PackageKit. Version: 0.7.2-5; Size: 348.5k; Installed: 1062k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
22:28<themill>sney: ^^
22:28<Node_8392>it's that software management thingy in the kde icon (menu?)
22:28<themill>(can't say I've ever used it myself)
22:28<sney>oh, here I was worrying it was some 3rd party madness
22:28<Node_8392>it's under system
22:29<sney>Node_8392: yes, it's a frontend to apt-get so it would handle the dependencies.
22:29<Node_8392>it was installed by the debian installer
22:29<Node_8392>oh ok
22:29<sney>dragonious: and you haven't formatted it since buying it or anything?
22:29<dragonious>It came setup ready to go, or so they said.
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22:30<dragonious>sney it had a test track on it and my system sees the ipod and an play that track but it wont let me add anything to it.
22:30<Node_8392>that ipod nano is hfs+j then
22:30<themill>sney: s/apt-get/libapt/ btw but yes, it's supposed to work fine.
22:30<sney>dragonious ok, with the ipod connected, run 'mount' in a terminal, paste the output to and link your paste here.
22:31<Node_8392>removing the hfs journal in mac os x means reformatting...gess it doesn't matter since (s)he doesn't have mac os x
22:32<dragonious>sney here you go
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22:34<stderr>I assume mount -o remount,rw /media/iPod won't work?
22:34<sney>I would try that first, certainly
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22:35<Node_8392>stderr, what do i do now?
22:35<dragonious>stderr sney I will try that
22:36<stderr>Node_8392: You were planning on reinstalling?
22:36<Node_8392>no i praying i would not have to
22:36<sney>what was your issue?
22:36<Node_8392>dns no longer resolves
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22:37<stderr>Node_8392: Did we ever confirm that? What does nslookup say?
22:37<dragonious>mount: stderr sney I get this : warning: /media/iPod seems to be mounted read-only.
22:37<Node_8392>i wish the packages would not change anything till configured to do so
22:37<Node_8392>checking ...
22:38<sney>dragonious: ok, I guess the internet telling you that hfs+j can't be written in linux was true. you'll need to reformat the ipod to vfat in order to use it normally. mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc2 should do the trick.
22:39<dragonious>sney so just typ ein that command you posted as sudo right?
22:39<Node_8392> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
22:39<stderr>dragonious: You don't have anything important on that iPod, right?
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22:39<sney>yeah. if it says 'command not found' or so you'll need to install dosfstools
22:40<sney>stderr: nah he just bought it and can't write to it so far
22:40<dragonious>stderr no I just bought it, and it wont let me put anything on it ;p
22:40<sney>Node_8392: that smells more like a routing error to me. if you traceroute how quickly does it fail?
22:40<Node_8392>it doesnt
22:41<Node_8392>it worked fine
22:41<dragonious>sney new message : mkfs.vfat: /dev/sdc2 contains a mounted file system.
22:41<stderr>sney: It works (with -n to avoid dns lookups).
22:41<sney>dragonious: right, umount the ipod first then do it
22:41<Node_8392>yes did the traceroute with the -n
22:41<stderr>sney: The problem is a ton of proxies on top of proxies...
22:41<dragonious>sney so "eject" it?
22:42<Node_8392>no eject, just unmount
22:42<Node_8392>umount /dev/sdc2?
22:42<dragonious>sorry Im very newblicious with this OS, although I absolutly love it , and the community
22:42<stderr>The eject command should work.
22:42<sney>yeah either/or
22:42<Node_8392>see? i'm new to this myself.
22:43<dragonious>Ok I ejected it should I run that command again
22:43<sney>that's the idea
22:44<stderr>dragonious: I just noticed something... /media/Music isn't the iPod too, is it?
22:44<sney>/media/Music looks more like a ntfs volume at a glance
22:44<Node_8392>someday i'll be able to answer some questions to help out. i know macs pretty well
22:44<stderr>sney: Ok, I wouldn't know what something like that looks like. :-)
22:44<dragonious>sney stderr no that is me music collection 160GB worth ;p
22:45<dragonious>its part of a partitioned Tb drive.
22:45<sney>stderr: fuse usually only comes up for weird filesystem support, like windows stuff or encryption
22:46<sney>since OSX is free-ish, there's native support and thus no need for fuse.
22:46<dragonious>sney I ran the command again and its saying no such file or directory.
22:46<stderr>Yeah, I have played around with fuse myself once.
22:46<stderr>Not as in ntfs, but homemade filesystem.
22:46<sney>dragonious: err... plug the ipod back in
22:46<Node_8392>how do i check/configure systemwide proxies in debian?
22:47<sney>normally it'd just be an environment variable like HTTP_PROXY
22:47<dragonious>sney I plugged it back in and it now says its mounted again
22:47<sney>ok, this is why I said just to use umount. gnome is being clever
22:48<stderr>Too clever. :-(
22:48<dragonious>ok so I type in what command to unmount via terminal?
22:48<sney>umount /dev/sdc2
22:48<sney>(as root/sudo)
22:48<dragonious>snay thank you
22:48<sney>and that's umount not unmount
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22:50<dragonious>sney hers the output dragonious@debian:~$ sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc2
22:50<dragonious>mkfs.vfat 3.0.13 (30 Jun 2012)
22:50<sney>generally, when you're using command line tools, no errors = it worked
22:50<dragonious>sney roger that ;p
22:51<Node_8392>k > settings > system settings > network > proxy shows "no proxy" as selected radio button
22:51<sney>see if there's anything in env
22:52<stderr>Node_8392: May I suggest uninstalling most (all?) of those proxies and firewalls and see if that helps.
22:52<sney>if you just run 'env' in a terminal it'll show you all your set variables.
22:52<stderr>And don't install them again until you got time to configure them (one at a time...)
22:53<Node_8392>i'm trying but aparently apper just complains it cont resolve anything then doesnt remove the package
22:53<Node_8392>checking ...
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22:53<dragonious>sney here is that output
22:53<winsen>Hi all
22:53<winsen>can you please tell me what is the difference between sysadmin and IT administrator? thanks
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22:53<stderr>Node_8392: aptitude remove some-package-name
22:54<sney>winsen: whatever the employer says the difference is
22:54<sney>those sound like the same thing to me, though
22:54<stderr>dragonious: That command was for Node_8392. :-)
22:54<Node_8392>env does not include a HTTP_PROXY in its list
22:55<sney>or anything that looks like a proxy address?
22:55<dragonious>sney well said on that, the only difference I would think was if the employer was looking at it as sysadmin is basically for pc maintenance and IT is for internet tech.
22:56<dragonious>stderr ah I see lol
22:56<sney>yeah but you could go to another company and have it be the opposite. it's not really a debian question anyway
22:56<dragonious>sney agreed
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22:56<stderr>winsen: Some companies claim IT administrators also handles printers, the fax machine and the coffee maker...
22:56<Node_8392>there isnt anything in the environment that would affect anything network related at all
22:57<sney>I have definitely gotten tickets for coffee machine jams. /offtopic
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22:57<dragonious>lol :)
22:57<dragonious>ok so what would my next step be here sney and thanks again for your help stderr as well ;p
22:58<sney>Node_8392: has anyone asked you to run dig
22:58<Node_8392>not yet
22:58<Node_8392>wassa dig?
22:58<stderr>dragonious: You formatted the iPod as vfat? Mount it.
22:58<sney>ok, just for kicks, dig @
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22:58<Node_8392>checking ...
22:59<sney>it's a more technical dns lookup utility. at least we hope to see better error messages
22:59<stderr>sney: I assumed he didn't have dig, so I only suggested nslookup. It failed.
22:59<sney>stderr: both nslookup and dig are in dnsutils :P
22:59<stderr><Node_8392> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
22:59<dragonious>stderr ok mounted it but now its listed as an 8GB Filesystem .
22:59<stderr>Eh, yeah, well... :-)
22:59<sney>I know, I'm hoping for something more verbose
22:59<winsen>stderr: is IT adminsitrator = T Infrastructure Administrator?
23:00<winsen>stderr: is IT adminsitrator = IT Infrastructure Administrator?
23:00<sney>winsen: ask your employer or whoever
23:00<stderr>dragonious: And it should be?
23:00<sney>winsen: these terms are variable.
23:00<Node_8392>that got an answer ...
23:01<dragonious>stderr I dont even know . I was looking for confirmation.
23:01<sney>Node_8392: ok, that's a correct dns reply.
23:01<dragonious>stderr but it was listed as an Ipod before
23:01<winsen>sney: I need the right name for my resume, that's what am asking
23:01<sney>dragonious: it may need to be "initialized" or something by banshee
23:01<winsen>that's why...
23:02<sney>winsen: then it doesn't matter. if you're listing experience, list your job title at the time. otherwise, use whatever you think sounds cool
23:02<Node_8392>?! it's working now?? checking ...
23:02<SamB>twb once formatted an ipod as ext2 or so. it didn't work after that ...
23:02<sney>Node_8392: that was a query to the google dns service. I'm guessing your system is set to use a different dns server
23:02<Node_8392>winsen, Information Technology
23:03<stderr>sney: His Airport gateway. Same as the Knoppix machine he's using now.
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23:03<dragonious>You guys absolutly Rock and Roll!! it synced right up and is now working as it should !! Thank you so much!
23:03<sney>ah, maybe the airport has some weird dns implementation
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23:03<sney>dragonious: no problem, come back any time
23:04<winsen>thanks for answering
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23:05<sney>Node_8392: if you set as the first nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf (or in your config in network-manager, depending) does your connection behave
23:05<dragonious>sney I most definetly will, this chat is a huge bonus to the already great OS. Thanks again, and have a great evening, or day whatever the case may be.
23:05<sney>good guess, I'm only a couple hours behind you
23:05<stderr>5 in the morning here... And I still have had dinner... :-/
23:06<stderr>Maybe now would be a good time.
23:06<sney>generic linux user nutrient slop
23:06<dragonious>stderr might just be ;p
23:06<dragonious>Thanks again guys! laters i'm off to play with my new Ipod :)
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23:07<Node_8392>ok i still have the problem. the dig command i did in a root shell, everything else is as a user
23:07<sney>ok, what happens if you try dig as a user?
23:07<Node_8392>is that why dig worked and nothing else does?
23:07<Node_8392>checking ...
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23:09<Node_8392>it worked! same answer
23:09<sney>what's your gateway ip?
23:09<Node_8392>the 224 subnet is what i setup here
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23:14<Node_8392>um is it possible to download a package from while on knoppix, copy to a flashdrive, and install it on the debian system?
23:14<sney>so what happens if you dig @
23:14<Node_8392>checking ...
23:14<sney>yes it is possible but you need to get the dependencies as well, depending on what you intend to install this can be a pain
23:16<Node_8392>it found the gateway but the connection timed out because no servers responded
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23:17<Node_8392>it should be a single package with no dependencies which is why i asked
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23:17<Node_8392>maybe if i put in /etc/resolv.conf?
23:17<sney>I told you to do that a little while ago.
23:18<sney>so, yes
23:18<Node_8392>sorry i missed it
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23:23<Node_8392>that fixed it! resolv.conf was generated by network manager. now the browser works, apper works. apf-firewall is removed and the other package installed (no dependencies as i thought)
23:24<Node_8392>how do i fix network manager?
23:24<sney>right click on your network icon -> edit connections -> pick your connection, edit it, nameservers are on the 'general' tab or maybe the 'ipv4' tab
23:24<Node_8392>wait... this knoppix had same file with same entries and it worked ...
23:25<sney>probably just a dns bug
23:25<Node_8392>checking ...
23:25<sney>apple is weird sometimes
23:25<sney>and they don't caaaaaaaaare about bugs because non-apple host devices are unsupported
23:28<Node_8392>the dns server fields are blank
23:29<Node_8392>i may soon be switching to linksys
23:29<Node_8392>if aplle is going to be trouble for debian
23:30<Node_8392>thanks guys for the emergency help :)
23:31<Node_8392>i have a question i hope doesn't sound paranoid or stupid
23:33<Node_8392>are there any debian signed packages that will put any data, tmp files etc, outside the user account (such as in /tmp)?
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23:34<Node_8392>meaning would a tmp copy of a file i'm working with be in /tmp as opposed to some tmp location in ~/
23:35<SamB>Node_8392: it can happen, yes
23:36<Node_8392>i need 2 lainux laptops then
23:36<Node_8392>now my next problem ...
23:37<SamB>is tmpfs inadequate for your needs?
23:38<Node_8392>i need grub to not bypass the hardware security of the mac hardware i'm running debian on. that means refit/refind. those are installed on a kanguru ss3. i did this test install on a flashdrive on my mac pro just in case and sure enough grub bypassed the hardware security.
23:39<Node_8392>but i cant seem to get the flashdrives grub to boot from refit
23:39<Node_8392>on the macbookpro
23:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 563] by debhelper
23:40<Node_8392>it boots direct (no refit/refind) on the mac pro
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23:40<Node_8392>so it did something (which i can fix) to my mac pro that wasn't done to my macbookpro so my macbookpro wont boot it
23:41<Node_8392>i said fix, i mean undo without knowing what was done
23:41<Node_8392>and i dunno what was done
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23:43<Node_8392>i think i really need grub on the ss3 with refit and refind. that way i can make the flashdrive boot on any of my hardware.
23:43<Node_8392>the debian flashdrive
23:43<Node_8392>but i have no idea how to do that
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23:48<Node_8392>i dont know anything about tmpfs. i needed to decide if i could use 2 separate accounts or if i needed 2 separate installs. it's 2 installs
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23:51<Node_8392>i have an ipod touch 5 and i'm also wonderring if i can sync calendar data with it from debian....... but 1 thing t a time
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23:52<SamB>Node_8392: you do realize that different users can't read eachothers files in /tmp, right?
23:53<SamB>or at least not any more than in /home
23:53<lautriv>got anyone bt-audio working with bluez4 ?
23:54<Node_8392>i didn't but that's a moot point. the setup calls for 2 installs, on separate external drives, each encrypted with a passphrase
23:55<Node_8392>as a result of any possibility any file could potentially reside outside the ~ directory even temporarily
23:56<Node_8392>it almost doesn't matter. to have a system that's online and a system that's offline at the same time requires 2 systems anyways
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23:58<Node_8392>i now know how to do the installation setup and the encryption setup
23:58<Node_8392>so about grub....
23:58<Node_8392>any grub masters here?
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