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---Logopened Tue Aug 13 00:00:57 2013
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00:01<chealer>neo1691: presumably. what did you install from?
00:01<neo1691>chealer: I installed from aptitude
00:01<SamB>neo1691: it only says that about discs you've already shown it, so unless you showed it something else, yeah ...
00:01<chealer>neo1691: but how did you install Debian?
00:02<neo1691>chealer: I installed it from downloading the dvd-1.iso for amd64
00:03<neo1691>SamB: I have the iso, I will mount it and add a URI of the type file in the sources.list and point it to the mounted iso. Then will I be able to update?
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00:05<SamB>neo1691: I honestly have no idea; I've only used it with actual CD-ROMs ...
00:05<SamB>so I could actually just insert the disc in the drive
00:05<neo1691>Ok!! It should work I guess
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00:06<neo1691>SamB: Trying to save a disk :)
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00:16<chealer>neo1691: ah. there's a bug for this scenario. just remove the source from sources.list, it will stop bothering you
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00:17<neo1691>chealer: I will try it, if it wont work I'll remove it
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00:23<neo1691>Guys, how to run any command as root in debian? I don't want to use" su - " and then run the command as it is not working
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00:25<wompa>neo1691, did you type correct password before the command?
00:26<neo1691>yes I did, it changed to the # prompt wompa
00:26<SamB>perhaps the command is wrong
00:26<wompa>what commands did you try to run and what was the output?
00:26<neo1691>basically I want to run this command as root mount someIso /somedir -o loop
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00:27<neo1691>when I change to root and run ls command the files are simple not there
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00:27<rohara>I think you found the problem then
00:29<neo1691>rohara: nope?
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00:29<rohara>..? Do you mean the volume didn't mount or the files don't exist?
00:29<rohara>Okay then.
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00:30<wompa>neo1691, check what directory you currently are in with "pwd", right after "su -" it should say "/root" and /root should be quite empty after a new default-ish installation except for a few .dotfiles like .bashrc
00:31<wompa>oh he left
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00:32<paco>hi, I backported compiz to debian stable, I'm running xfce and compiz, and windows' right, left, and bottom borders with compiz got as big as 5-7 px, so I'd like to know if it is possible to change this
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00:37<sney>paco: probably, maybe ask in #compiz on irc.freenode.net
00:38<paco>tried sney, but no answers so far there
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01:05<grn>hi
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01:05<srimca>hi
01:05<grn>loda
01:05<grn>kem nu?
01:05<srimca>kem 60
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01:06<srimca>manja ma
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01:12<joshef>hiiii
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01:15<themill>joshef: this is the Debian user support channel. Can we help?
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01:20<joshef>hello
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01:20<grn>hii
01:22<joshef>gajanan
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01:22<themill>joshef, grn: please play elsewhere.
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03:12<matt3o>okay I have this problem where windows on gnome3 are extremely laggy to resize. Same problem on two desktop PCs (both Debian Jessie), one with integrated intel gpu, one with dedicated nvidia (and proprietary drivers). Any insight? thanks
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03:16<hypercoffeedude>matt3o: What are your specs? (RAM, CPU)
03:18<peter1138>welcome to compositin :p
03:18<matt3o>hypercoffeedude: they are pretty good spec'd. last gen CPU, one with 8gb, the other with 16gb. nvidia is gtx660 the intel must be a 4000-something
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03:19<matt3o>it's weird because I don't get lagginess on other distros. at first I thought it was fault of the integrated intel but then I see the same on nvidia
03:20<hypercoffeedude>matt3o: wow, I would expect that somewhere in Debian(Jessie) there must be some real buggy code. You may also have something configured wrong, although at the moment I cannot think of what it could be.
03:21<peter1138>i find it also depends on which app the window belongs to
03:21<hypercoffeedude>matt3o: What other distros have you tried? And are these 32-bit or 64-bit?
03:21<matt3o>also it's extremely slow only the first time you resize the window, subsequent resizes are fine
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03:21<peter1138>resizing monodevelop is clunky, terminals are not so bad
03:22<matt3o>hypercoffeedude: all 64bits, I tried fedora and ubuntu. both work flawlessly
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03:22<jm_>jessie is discussed in #debian-next, but perhaps compare x log on all three
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03:23<matt3o>jm_: oh sorry, should I log into -next?
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03:23<jm_>matt3o: you'll probably find more people using testing/unstable there
03:23<matt3o>will do thanks
03:24<hypercoffeedude>jm_ is right you might find better help in -next.
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03:25<peter1138>so i have this problem in wheezy, where resizing windows is kinda laggy...
03:25<peter1138>but hey, compositing is better right? :S
03:26<Zaba>do you have the right video drivers installed?
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03:29<jm_>nvidia's README mentions several config options related to Composite, perhaps that might help some
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03:32<matt3o>it's odd because I see the same effect on intel and nvidia
03:34<jm_>can't comment myself since I use simple window manager only
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04:30<Rainbowtron>I'm trying to use mail merge in LibreOffice for the first time. I'm getting this error when testing my connection settings. http://pastebin.com/9FD84TNN What is wrong, and how do I fix it?
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04:34<avtobiff>Rainbowtron, looks like libreoffice can't connect to a mail server
04:34<tim>juh
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04:35<Rainbowtron>avtobiff: Thank you Captain Obvious. I'm looking for why, and how to fix it.
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04:36<avtobiff>allrighty then
04:37<avtobiff>Rainbowtron, have you configured it?
04:37<Rainbowtron>All of the settings match my email clients, which have no problem connecting.
04:37<avtobiff>have you tested the account settings as the docs say?
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04:38<matt3o>Rainbowtron: are you using gmail servers?
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04:38<Rainbowtron>matt3o: Yes. It sounds like you are familiar with this problem.
04:39<Supaplex>not so libre after all?
04:40<Sammy1231>TLS problem?
04:40<Supaplex>smtp authentication problem?
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04:41<Rainbowtron>matt3o: What do you know about this?
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04:43<matt3o>Rainbowtron: I heard of issues with gmail and mailmerge, but I think you can make it work. let me check if I can find a link
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04:46<Sammy1231>Do you have other mail accounts that work with mailmerge?
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04:48<Rainbowtron>Sammy1231: I don't have any mail accounts from other servers, and the person I'm doing this for must use gmail, so her email address is recognized by the recipients.
04:48<Sammy1231>Rainbowtron: You draw the wrong conclusion ;) I was asking in order to find out whether the issue is with GMail or with mailmerge ;)
04:50<Rainbowtron>Found a link that shows an alternate port number to use for gmail with mail merge. Testing with this other port works. I don't understand why, since the port I originally entered works for everything else.
04:50<Rainbowtron>Thanks for help finding these clues.
04:50<matt3o>cool
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04:51<Sammy1231>Which port is it?
04:52<Sammy1231>Rainbowtron: ^
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04:53<matt3o>the secret will die with him
04:54<Sammy1231>Why do people do this? If you've got a solution, share it so others know it as well and can share it as well ...
04:55<Rainbowtron>Sammy1231: Be patient. FFS. I'm going back to my settings to look
04:56<Sammy1231>Rainbowtron: Thanks :) I'll be "FFS patient" ;)
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04:56<Rainbowtron>587
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04:57<Rainbowtron>However, I'm having another problem.
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04:57<Rainbowtron>I just tried sending a test message to myself. It said it sent, but I haven't recieved it
04:57<Sammy1231>Did you send it to yourself?
04:58<Sammy1231>Meaning, sender and recipient are the same?
04:58<Rainbowtron>Sammy1231: Maybe mail merge doesn't like that. I'll use my alternate email address.
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04:59<Sammy1231>No *GMail* is the cause. They often filter out messages you already have, identifying them as duplicate ;)
04:59<matt3o>FFS!
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04:59<Sammy1231>Also, you should probably try to change the port in the other settings as well, because 587 is the current correct setting as far as I'm aware ... the other one is legacy afaik
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05:05<Rainbowtron>lol... I checked my sent messages and found that I misspelled my email address.
05:05<Sammy1231>Oh wow, well that might be a reason as well :D
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05:08<Rainbowtron>Everything work now. Thanks for the help.
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05:16<abderraouf>hi, what is the repo admins IRC channel?
05:17<SynrG>what's your question?
05:18<brian>Is there a newby caht area
05:18<brian>chat
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05:18<ksk>brian: no there is not as i know, but newbies are welcome in hrer too, just ask your question
05:19<brian>At the moment all is fine as I found a linux I like...pinguy
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05:20<brian>It is looking as though it is fine out of the box
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05:20<SynrG>abderraouf: responsibilities for the archives vary depending on what question you're asking. what is your question?
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05:21<abderraouf>http://packages.debian.org/sid/python : Debian Changelog : E404
05:21<brian>KSK_ thanks. All is well at the moment
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05:22<brian>KSK- just wanted to know a place to go if I do find any new probs:-)
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05:49<p312z>Is there a way to remove a package and its dependencies (non required by other packages)? Something like pacman -Rs in Arch Linux. I switched yesterday and I'm having troubles using aptitude :$
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05:49<Nemoder>if you installed the package with aptitude then aptitude should remove deps as well
05:50<Sammy1231>man aptitude, look for remove and autoremove, I believe that's what you're searching for
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05:51<p312z>Thanks!
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05:51<Sammy1231>But also what Nemoder said.
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05:54<p312z>There's no autoremove entry in the manual but I found some interesting links in Google.
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06:13<Nafarroatik>hi, I installed debian wheezy and I can't access HOTMAIL.COM
06:13<gry>what error do you get?
06:14<Nafarroatik>Web appears in blanck, with iceweasel and with chrome
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06:15<Nafarroatik>Chrome says: The identify of this site has not been veryfied
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06:15<Nafarroatik>Server's certificate is not valid...
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06:16<Nafarroatik>I think that is that my time is bad, Im going to install ntpdate
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06:17<Nafarroatik>Server time is the correct one and mine is other so... May be that?
06:17<themill>ntp not ntpdate
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06:18<Nafarroatik>I installed ntpdate and executed ntpdate-debian
06:18<Nafarroatik>And worked, I can access web XD
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06:37<prem_>what is the use of gnome-screensaver-flags in debian
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06:37<prem_>will this help me in enabling a screensaver in wheezy?
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06:39<jm_>Description: Screensaver for GNOME with flags of the world.
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06:39<jm_>sounds just like another screen saver variant
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06:44<peter1138>if using gnome3, then o
06:44<peter1138>*no
06:45<peter1138>you've got blank screen or not
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07:15<infinity0>hey guys, i am trying to package a library called cpp-netlib http://cpp-netlib.org/
07:15<infinity0>what shall i call the debian package?
07:15<infinity0>libcpp-netlib?
07:15<infinity0>looks a bit clumsy, is all
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08:06<f8l>infinity0: I'd ask on #debian-mentors.
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08:06<infinity0>already done, thanks
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08:33<erin1983684>hey peeps i am having an issue when i try to use aptitude upgrade
08:33<erin1983684>http://sprunge.us/MWaI
08:33<erin1983684>with sudo
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08:35<llandon>sudo echo $PATH
08:36<Stummi>erin1983684, what exactly don't you understand on the output?
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08:37<Stummi>"Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin" seems clear
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08:38<themill>llandon: that won't tell you anything, of course
08:38<themill>dpkg: tell erin1983684 about sudo path
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08:50<erin1983684>thanks themill
08:50<erin1983684>.... yeah well i didnt want to read a book while installing.. i was impatient
08:51<erin1983684>updating puppet in a sec
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09:21<lov3r>hello there
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09:23<lov3r>I want to delete the programs that do not need it
09:23<lov3r>How i do this
09:24<themill>Can you give us some examples?
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09:25<lov3r>I want to work iso and I want to delete the programs that do not need it
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09:29<lov3r>please help me
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09:31<notrev>lov3r, if you want to delete a package, you can use synaptic or package manager
09:31<notrev>lov3r, or use the apt in command line
09:31<erin1983684>ok guys that sudores path does not WORK
09:31<erin1983684>http://sprunge.us/SIja
09:32<lov3r>how i install synaptic
09:33<erin1983684>http://sprunge.us/VXJP
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09:33<themill>erin1983684: perhaps you could pastebin your entire sudoers
09:33<Out`Of`Control>lov3r ? apt-get install synaptic
09:33<erin1983684>ok
09:33<erin1983684>will do
09:33<erin1983684>o -V > /tmp/temp; pb /tmp/temp
09:33<erin1983684>lol
09:34<erin1983684>http://sprunge.us/dZCf
09:34<lov3r>thanks <Out`Of`Control>
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09:34<erin1983684>my computers are screaming at me brb
09:35<erin1983684>and my security info emails from sudo are going to the wrong email addy too
09:35<Out`Of`Control>lov3r you can try apt-get autoremove/autoclean
09:35<themill>erin1983684: that line is wrong. It's missing "Defaults" at the start
09:35<erin1983684>WTH
09:35<erin1983684>ok where does Defaults gop?
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09:36<erin1983684>i see defaults at the top.
09:36<erin1983684>um do all the 'defaults' at the bottom go at the top is that what i am doing wrong?
09:37<erin1983684>yall could of change the sytax on me happend alot over the last week with squeeze> wheezy upgrade
09:37<themill>You're missing Defaults on that line.
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09:37<erin1983684>can you pastebin me a proper one? so i dont get confused
09:37<erin1983684>ohhhh
09:37<erin1983684>on secure path?
09:37<themill>the syntax hasn't changed. sudoers(5) still works.
09:37<themill>yes. what dpkg said to you
09:38<erin1983684>it broke off the line
09:38<erin1983684>defaults is on line with 'bug' and secure path is down below it thats why i got confused
09:39<erin1983684>now.. why isnt my emails coming to my proper inbox?
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09:43<erin1983684>ah i see now, it was nagios failing to do a check and seding it to the wrong freaking email
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09:46<erin1983684>hmm no its sudo failing to run stuff as nagios user
09:46<erin1983684>gabrielle.thrace.lan : Aug 13 09:27:48 : nagios : parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 61 ; TTY=unknown ; PWD=/ ;
09:46<erin1983684>sending it to root instead of my email
09:46<themill>line 61 is that same line....
09:46<themill>but that timestamp is also a while ago
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09:47<flips^>I was thinking it would be cool having a package to add a guest/kiosk account (like xguest in rh/fedora) ... where should I suggest it? :)
09:49<erin1983684>yeah themill
09:49<erin1983684>what i am asking is why did it send it to root when you saw the email in my sudoers..
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09:49<erin1983684>its on all machines, identical
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09:54<erin1983684>well themill i thought about it for aminute and it seems that since sudo could not read the config it could not know what email to send it to and sent it to root.
09:54<erin1983684>so would you recommend me spliting up the 'defaults' and my config into the sudo.d file?
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10:07<erin1983684>well it looks like themill fixed my issues thanks a bunch man/gal
10:08<erin1983684>ttyl
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10:14<zathras>flips^, I think you should have a look here but I am not 100% sure: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
10:15<flips^>zathras, thanks :)
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10:25<luci>Hello
10:25<fede>yo
10:25<lontra>how i can disable the alt+tab behavior that is default in KDE on wheezy .. alternatively how can i change it.
10:26<luci>how i can install debian in non pae machine monoprocessor
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10:41<vale>ju8ñ
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10:42<vale>ola
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10:44<patopank>hola
10:45<patopank>quien esta conectado. soy felipe
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10:45<vale>hahhahahha ok
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10:45<vale>eres felipe
10:45<patopank>si
10:45<vale>olis
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10:45<patopank>ola
10:46<patopank>oooooolllllllaaaaaa
10:46<vale>olis frasco
10:46<patopank>ha nomolete
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10:49<ToWi4>i know mexicane
10:49<ToWi4>burito
10:49<ToWi4>nachos
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10:50<ToWi4>el penyato senyore
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10:50<ToWi4>gustap torrento el hueru ?
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10:59<erin1983684>hey peeps i need help again
11:00<erin1983684>i am trying to resize a partiton from rescue mode my /usr is too small and its a lvm2
11:00<erin1983684>i resized my /root down to 500000 4k blocks, thats all it would do.
11:01<erin1983684>but lvreduce only takes the side in megs kilbytes, gigs or extents..
11:01<erin1983684>how do i convert this?
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11:03<erin1983684>um i found a converter..
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11:11<erin1983684>i got skynet by the balls now!
11:11<erin1983684>woohoo
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11:22<akoskovacs>1
11:22<akoskovacs>ahh, sorry
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11:35<Burnizzo>hi
11:35<Burnizzo>i'm trying to install from minimal iso and getting "error" Could not find any live images" on 'Instal the system'.. what i'm doing wrong?
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11:37<dex>hi, how can i update in console, I have done apt-get update, what's next??
11:37<melmothX>dex: apt-get upgrade ?
11:39<dex>i have seen some packages as iceweasel and others have an update but i can not use software updater or whatever it is called cos it freezes
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11:39<dex>so next is apt-get upgrade??
11:39<melmothX>yes
11:40<Apollo>dex: are you using Ubuntu?
11:40<dex>no, i use debian
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11:40<bfly>hi
11:41<dex>debian does not open nautilus properly, it keeps loadin and loading, and no window shows up until i click in the dock
11:42<bfly>i'm looking at the untattended upgrades configugration file (the apt.conf include). the last line has an option to set a bandwidth limit on downloads. but this actually affects all APT downloads, not just those in unattended upgrades.
11:42<babilen>dex: I would recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html
11:42<bfly>is it possible "Unattended-Upgrade::Acquire::http::Dl-Limit" there instead?
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11:43<bfly>correction: is it possible to use "Unattended-Upgrade::Acquire::http::Dl-Limit" there instead, so as to only throttle bandwidth during unattended upgrades?
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11:43<dex>apt-get update works great, it is not time consuming at all
11:44<dex>but the gui freezes
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11:44<dex>and nautilus takes a lot of time reading
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11:46<bfly>dex: lacking memory? slow CPU? slow disk writes?
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11:47<bfly>sounds like you may be hitting hardware or file system limits
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11:47<dex>i don't think so, how can i check it out that??
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11:48<dex>maybe there is something that has not been set up well
11:48<dex>but i have not modified anything since clean installation
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12:26<mshuler>tools like htop, iotop, iftop can give you some insight into system, io, and network usage
12:26<mshuler>run those in terminals and watch what happens while you do other things :)
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12:38<benvei2>Hey there. I've got an Samsung R522, and i'm using debian wheezy, kernel 3.2.0-4. the wlan card is a RTL8192E/RTL8192SE (lspci output), and i've installed the firmware-realtek package. I'm using wicd-curses to manage the device. I can find my wifi network, and i can connect to it after a *LONG* time. When i ping my router, the ping is about 500ms, and the package loss about ~75%. Any ideas?
12:39<benvei2>btw, its amd64
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12:41<acoriel>slt
12:41<benvei2>slt?
12:41<acoriel>cmt u va
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13:31<francesco_>ciao
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14:03<zirc>zdravim je tu nekdo kdo by mi pomohl ?
14:03<zirc>who can help me pls ?
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14:04<musca>zirc: if you ask an english question?
14:04<zirc>maybe , u can help me ?
14:04<musca>maybe, u can ask?
14:05<zirc>i have one problem , i have vps with debian , and i cannot install any app of myslql and other , i broken this debian . can i repair or reinstall with ssh this vps debian ?
14:05<zirc>my eng is not extra good but i need help :)
14:06<musca>zirc: let's see what is broken. Most likely we can repair the system.
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14:08<zirc>example : i cant install complete mysql,phpmyadmin,apache and others , not reinstall with commands of internet help
14:08<musca>zirc: use http://paste.debian.net to provide output of your apt-get command
14:08<zirc>all updates complete but cant take this .(
14:08<zirc>ok
14:09<roughnecks>!localized errors
14:09<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
14:09<CogitoErgoSum>If i install from a LXDE live cd, do i get the same debian (with LXDE and not gnome) as if i install from a network cd?
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14:10<zirc>musca i sended one of errors on your link
14:10<zirc>see on ?
14:11<roughnecks>zirc: tell us the link to the paste
14:11<musca>zirc: this one? http://paste.debian.net/24704
14:11<zirc>yes
14:11<zirc>ione of many errors
14:12<zirc>i read many helps on net but is not continue repair this problems
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14:24<CogitoErgoSum>hello ...
14:25<sney>hi
14:26<roughnecks>CogitoErgoSum: if you install by network you get a basic system, then you can install what you need
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14:26<musca>,file /usr/sbin/mysqld
14:27<judd>Search for /usr/sbin/mysqld in wheezy/i386: mysql-server-core-5.5: usr/sbin/mysqld
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14:27<musca>zirc: which version of Debian are you running on your server?
14:28<CogitoErgoSum>sney: If i install from a LXDE live cd, do i get the same debian (with LXDE and not gnome) as if i install from a network cd?
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14:28<CogitoErgoSum>roughnecks: I did "install" (virtualbox on win) and then install lxde
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14:29<CogitoErgoSum>roughnecks: but i can't get rid of gnome (don't know how)
14:29<roughnecks>what cd image did you use?
14:30<sney>CogitoErgoSum: when the installer boots, before choosing install, you canselect "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install"
14:30<sney>and that will install it with lxde instead of gnome
14:31<roughnecks>Gnome can always be purged, though
14:31<CogitoErgoSum>roughnecks: network i386
14:31<nadir>i have never seen the net-CD install a basic system, as long network is running during installation.
14:31<zirc>usca i open chat with you tell me
14:31<musca>zirc: wild guess: you are running squeeze, you have "stable" in your sources, and that points to wheezy now (wheezy was released in May 2013)
14:31<zirc>musca*
14:31<nadir>if during tasksel you choose to install an environment, it will install one. If you choose not to, it won't install one
14:31<nadir>just like CD or DVD do
14:32<roughnecks>nadir: what's the poin to install from network if you have no network?
14:32<CogitoErgoSum>nadir: maybe because i used the grafical install
14:32<nadir>none
14:32<nadir>my point was that is a misunderstanding that the net-CD will - magically- install a minimal system
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14:33<nadir>it does what you tell it to do, as long it is able to (for that you will need network)
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14:34<roughnecks>so, how do you call a netinstall? maybe i haven't used the right word for it
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14:34<roughnecks>anyway, gnome does not install by itself
14:34<musca>zirc: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.debian.net
14:34<CogitoErgoSum>sney: live or net cd, once installed, is it the same?
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14:35<zirc>ok
14:35<CogitoErgoSum>roughnecks: for now, how do i purge gnome?
14:35<CogitoErgoSum>roughnecks: not by itself, but maybe by default
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14:36<roughnecks>there should be some factoid in the bot about that, CogitoErgoSum
14:37<zirc>http://paste.debian.net/24705/
14:37<zirc>this is
14:37<CogitoErgoSum>roughnecks: I tried synaptic task gnome desktop complete removal, but all the gnome pakages are still there
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14:38<nakanut>hello
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14:39<roughnecks>personally don't use synaptic, perhaps there is some other task to complete the operation, like apt "autoremove"?
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14:39<musca>zirc: to check your version: cat /etc/issue
14:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 621] by debhelper
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14:40<ayoub>hi
14:40<ayoub>how to install new kernel please
14:40<nakanut>what software centre is included in wheezy?
14:41<ayoub>i have ubuntu 13.04
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14:42<musca>!ubuntuirc
14:42<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
14:42<zirc>musca this : Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l
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14:43<CogitoErgoSum>Is this the only Debian support channel?
14:44<musca>zirc: debian 7 is stable, named "wheezy" this matches to your sources.
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14:44<musca>CogitoErgoSum: there is #debian on freenode
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14:45<sakax>nakanut, synaptic?
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14:45<musca>zirc: but mysql-server-5.1 is not in wheezy. Why did you want that?
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14:46<nakanut>@sakax oh, do you have to manually install programs through the package manager?
14:46<zirc>u can help me repair this ? i dont know this problem :(
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14:47<sakax>nakanut, yes, but it's the same as ubuntu's software manager in the end
14:47<sakax>even the software center from ubuntu shoudl be in the debian repositories, do not know the name of the package however
14:47<roughnecks>zirc: did you dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy?
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14:48<nakanut>i use muon atm
14:48<musca>zirc: did you manually delete /usr/sbin/mysqld ? This prevents apt-get from removing mysql-server-5.1
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14:50<musca>nakanut: muon on Kubuntu?
14:51<nakanut>i'm installing wheezy on a Dell XPS right now coz I couldn't get on with Kubuntu
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14:52<musca>nakanut: muon is not in the debian repo, but apper in KDE is nice.
14:53<musca>nakanut: and commandline tools like apt-get are good for irc support.
14:53<nakanut>okay. So long as i don't have to keep on adding ppa's which can be a ball-ache
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14:56<sney>debian doesn't have or support ppas at all
14:56<musca>zirc: still alive?
14:56<sney>(this is a good thing)
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14:56<nakanut>ok. you guys know best
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14:57<Sammy123>musca: I imagine you with a phone on each ear right now
14:57<winsen>nice day, bless you
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14:59<nakanut>the main thing is it supports oracle's VirtualBox
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15:00<musca>hehe Sammy123 :)
15:00<Sammy123>What does this mean: "insmod: error inserting '<path>': -1 Invalid module format
15:00<Sammy123>Aside from "You won't get me working!"
15:01<Sammy123>The modules is freshly compiled from kernel source
15:01<sney>it means it tried to load the module and couldn't, either because the file is corrupt or it's incompatible in some other way
15:01<sney>do you have the build log?
15:02<Sammy123>sney: I can reproduce it. However, in the normal build log there is nothing I can see wrong. Shall I post the Debug output?
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15:03<sney>Sammy123: can you get info from the file you compiled with modinfo?
15:04<Sammy123>sney: That's a new one to me, I'll try
15:05<Sammy123>sney: Yes I can; nothing I see looks wrong; creating a paste right now
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15:05<nakanut>found apper and that's just what i need. thanks @musca
15:05<musca>yw nakanut
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15:07<Sammy123>sney: http://paste.debian.net/24715/
15:07<musca>nakanut: do you plan to use sudo? many debian users prefer "su -" to become superuser
15:07<Sammy123>I have to say: I'm very new to the kernel compiling thing and the module compiling etc.
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15:07<Sammy123>I'm hoping I'm making a mistake somewhere, else I'm probably screwed
15:08<sney>and is 2.6.32.11-svn70860 the version of the running kernel as well?
15:08<Sammy123>sney: Yes, I double-checked that
15:09<zirc>musca i am here
15:09<zirc> hm ?
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15:09<Sammy123>sney: I also get the message: "WARNING: modpost: Found 2 section mismatch(es)." when compiling the modules with "make module"
15:09<musca>zirc: <roughnecks> asked you: zirc: did you dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy?
15:09<Sammy123>sney: Might that influence the result?
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15:10<musca>zirc: did you manually delete /usr/sbin/mysqld ? This prevents apt-get from removing mysql-server-5.1
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15:10<sney>Sammy123: maybe. usually warnings aren't a big deal though.
15:11<zirc>from ftp ?
15:11<Sammy123>sney: Okay. Any ideas?
15:11<sney>not without the build log
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15:12<Sammy123>sney: The default build log doesn't say much I feel, should I do anything special other than "make modules > ~/logfile"?
15:12<sney>2>&1 on the end maybe, i'm not sure if any of it goes to stderr
15:12<Sammy123>sney: I'm asking because I'm ready to produce a logfile, but I'd like to produce one that is as informative as possible
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15:13<stderr>sney: Most errors do.
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15:14<zirc>musca in usr/sbin dosn have any mysql ...
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15:16<Sammy123>sney: I'll report back once I have the log
15:16<musca>zirc: yes, the file is missing. so you cant apt-get remove <its package>
15:16<sney>stderr: I couldn't remember if that included make errors
15:17<zirc>and what can i do ?
15:19<Sammy123>sney: Is it a problem per se if the kernel is compiled originally by gcc4.2.2 and it's currently using 4.2.4 for the modules?
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15:20<sney>Sammy123: I don't think the 4.2.x version makes a difference usually
15:21<musca>zirc: dirty tricks, like "simulating" a successful restart of mysqld
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15:22<Sammy123>sney: http://paste.debian.net/24716/
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15:22<Sammy123>sney: I included the command I used, but still some messages got printed to stdout
15:22<zirc>zirc you have skype ?
15:22<zirc>oh musca
15:23<zirc>u have skype ?
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15:23<sney>Sammy123: yeah, it looks okay, I don't know what to tell you
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15:24<musca>zirc: no, just wait a little, eventually some expert will show up
15:24<Sammy123>sney: There's nothing else I have to look out for when compiling modules?
15:24<musca>oh, i hope they are not completly all on debconf?
15:24<zirc>ehm and what can i must do the simulate restart mysql ?
15:25<zirc>u have some help on net ?
15:25<sney>Sammy123: not that I know of
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15:27<musca>zirc: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 <-- you can modify the pre-rmoval script to allways " exit 0 " which means success.
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15:28<zirc>and where can i find this script ?
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15:29<musca>hmm, i myself allways wanted to learn this ...
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15:31<zirc>for this moment i cannot repair hm ?
15:31<zirc>only complete reinstall vps ?
15:33<musca>if you find that easier ... why not.
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15:33<zirc>hm , and vps only reinstall on workstation or can i with ssh ?
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15:34<musca>zirc: i don't know anything about your vps.
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15:35<musca>i'm not sure i did understand your question.
15:35<zirc>can i reinstall Debian with console ssh ?
15:35<nakanut>@musca yes I will use su
15:35<zirc>or i must on computer ?
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15:37<musca>does your vps provide console ssh? i don't even know what it is.
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15:38<zirc>console ssh is cmd where you can control debian and aplications
15:38<zirc>not graphic only commands
15:39<valdyn>zirc: what would be the point of that reinstall?
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15:40<zirc>valdyn i have problems with mysl and installs , i need reinstall debian with ssh console , can i or i need only computer on running debian ?
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15:40<valdyn>zirc: why would that problem need a reinstall?
15:40<valdyn>zirc: if it needed a reinstall then you should use the install feature provided by your vps service
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15:41<zirc>valdyn i am amateur with hard operations debian , only standard comands i know u can take me some help link on net to help my problem ??
15:41<zirc>my eng is bad sorry
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15:42<valdyn>zirc: almost nothing needs a reinstall. Sometimes a reinstall is easier than fixing the problem directly.
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15:43<valdyn>zirc: your problem description is completely lacking.
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15:46<zirc>but my problem cant fix :( maybe only reinstall all of vps on my debian
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16:57<Sammy123>please, help me out: what does this mean: "make 44x/apollo_3G_nas_defconfig"
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17:01<musca>!make
17:01<dpkg>rumour has it, make is a tool to build your project. The dependencies to build your project is specified usually in a Makefile. Makefile may have targets, which can be invoked by make targetname, e.g. make love. For more, man make. See also <makefile>.
17:02<musca>Sammy123: so you see the targetnames from your makefile
17:03<Sammy123>oh, so I should look into a directory named 44x?
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17:04<musca>the definition is in the makefile, perhaps that helps.
17:04<Sammy123>From what I can see, I guess it's a pre-config
17:04<musca>Sammy123: you are compiling for a rather old kernel, i 've seen.
17:05<Sammy123>musca: Yes. I know :/
17:05<musca>what kind of hardware is it?
17:06<Sammy123>a powerpc board in an external network drive
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17:07<Sammy123>It has not even loop support right now, and I can't switch the kernel
17:07<musca>The more danger, the more honor.
17:08<Sammy123>musca: I don't care if I brick it, I can always restore the initial setup, took the thing out of the casing
17:09<Sammy123>I have just no idea what I'm doing, I'm just inputting commands as several homepages describe it
17:10<Sammy123>I'm really a noob when it comes to compiling things myself
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17:10<musca>is your device based on squeeze?
17:11<Sammy123>That's why I'm asking things in here - for example the 44x/ thing - I never thought it might be a directory
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17:11<Sammy123>It's based on lenny, I'm upgrading it to squeeze and trying to go from there
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17:12<Sammy123>that didn't work before for a reason I do not know (modules were not compatible), so now I try to go with lenny and see what happens
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17:12<Sammy123>maybe I get a clue what's going wrong from that
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17:22<bugtraq>hola
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17:22<bugtraq>hola bernat_
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17:23<bugtraq>hola a todos
17:24<bernat_>!es
17:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:24<bugtraq>thanks for information
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17:49<Sammy123>If I do just "make", it's compiling the entire kernel, right?
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17:56<nathan>Hello
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17:57<nathan>I need some help. I'm fairly new to Linux
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17:59<sney>!ask
17:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:02<Puplebunny>What do you need help with nathan?
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18:03<nathan>I'm running Debian version 7 "Wheezy", when I try to use the command "sudo apt-get install ____" I get this message "nathan is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
18:03<nathan>" I'm coming from Ubuntu and I need a really rock solid and stable distro.
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18:04<Puplebunny>https://wiki.debian.org/sudo
18:04<Puplebunny>Read up on that :P
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18:04<Puplebunny>It's just a matter of adding a few lines in the sudoers file, the wiki page I linked will explain it all
18:05<nathan>Also, is there a way to install Flash player? Gnash doesn't work well with my webcam
18:05<Sammy123>nathan: And don't worry about the "will be reported." It's reporting to root, which is probably still you ;)
18:05<bernat_>nathan, the short answer is: run "adduser nathan sudo" as root
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18:06<bernat_>!flash
18:06<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
18:06<nathan>bash: adduser: command not found
18:06<bernat_>as root
18:07<Puplebunny>do "su" without quotes and put the root password you created earlier
18:07<Puplebunny>Gives you the same level of access as sudo
18:07<Puplebunny>Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list for flash: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
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18:08<Puplebunny>then apt-get update && apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
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18:09<nathan>i'm kinda embarrassed lol, I'm such a noob. But how do you become root?
18:09<mcafee>su
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18:12<nathan>Is there a way to copy and paste? I'm using Xchat
18:12<sney>selecting something copies it automatically
18:13<sney>er, that's in xchat. in your terminal it depends but sometimes you need ctrl+shift+c
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18:13<sney>don't paste more than 3 lines to this channel, also
18:15<nathan>I was trying to copy and paste terminal commands
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18:15<stderr>nathan: Mark something to copy. Middle-click to paste. That usually works.
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18:16<nathan>Thanks guys
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18:22<hurtzi>hallo
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18:28<mustapha>ciao
18:28<johnc>How do I get Network Manager to prompt me for the wep key again?
18:28<johnc>I accidentally typed in the wrong one and now it's just refusing to connect.
18:28<sney>right click the icon - edit connections - pick your connection and it'll be in there
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18:29<mustapha>ciao
18:29<sney>!it
18:29<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
18:29<johnc>When I right click the icon it just shows me a list of available connections.
18:30<sney>your other right
18:30<johnc>When I right click on the connection I want to edit, it just tries to connect.
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18:31<johnc>Both rights do the same thing.
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18:31<mustapha>ciao
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18:32<mustapha>come
18:33<johnc>In the Network Settings dialog, is the Options button supposed to do something?
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18:52<tpo>Hello... can anyone pleaase tell me where are the texlive files installed in a debian distro? I want to know precisely where is the configuration file for texdoctk, but also where are all the latex packages stored once I install them. Thanks.
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18:56<Sammy123>tpo: What I do when I want to know something like that: find /usr | grep latex
18:56<tpo>thanks Sammy123!
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19:00<jrib>Sammy123: why not do: find /usr -name '*latex*'
19:00<Sammy123>jrib: Because I'd need to remember that syntax
19:00<themill>If you want config, look in /etc. /etc/texmf/texdoctk
19:01<Sammy123>jrib: This way I just have to remember grep's syntax
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19:01<Sammy123>themill: Well, I hope he figures that out
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19:18<Sammy123>Okay, so my problem is resolved. I needed to compile the kernel first before the modules I wanted would compile correctly
19:19<Sammy123>Apparently a symbol file called Modules.symvers was missing
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19:20<patryk>witam
19:20<stderr>Huh?
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19:21<patryk>co tak cicho?
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19:22<stderr>!pl
19:22<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
19:22<patryk>sorry
19:23<Sammy123>How did you know it was polish?
19:23<stderr>Google Translate -> Auto detech.
19:23<patryk>from polish link
19:23<stderr>detect.
19:23<patryk>on web
19:23<Sammy123>oh wow, you're fast :)
19:23<patryk>fast?
19:24<patryk>so this is english chanel
19:24<patryk>?
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19:25<stderr>Sammy123: Alt-tab to switch to browser, Ctrl-T for new tab, tr (auto complete) enter... And then some copy/paste.
19:25<stderr>patryk: Yes. For Debian support...
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19:25<patryk>ok thx
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20:48<SamanthaD>apt-get is throwing a warning complaining that /tmp is mounted noexec and that it won't cache run scripts
20:48<SamanthaD>is this a warning I should actually be worried about or can I safely ignore it?
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20:49<themill>you need to fix it
20:49<themill>!tmp no-exec
20:50<themill>!tmp noexec
20:50<dpkg>dpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec
20:50<SamanthaD>okay, but should I be worried that it's messed up installs or otherwise caused gremlins in my computer?
20:50<ksk>yes, some things will fail because of that
20:50<themill>(unless this is a new Warning that replaces an older Error about this problem)
20:50<stderr>apt-get purge gremlins
20:51<ksk>"over here" we do mount /tmp no-exec, too , but always remount it before an upgrade
20:51<SamanthaD>yes, me too... I just forgot this time >.<
20:51<themill>SamanthaD: can you pastebin the entire apt run?
20:51<SamanthaD>no, I can't... sorry...
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20:52<SamanthaD>I just installed some firmware
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20:53<SamanthaD>oh wait! yes I can!
20:54<SamanthaD>I forgot it logged
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21:00<SamanthaD>http://paste.debian.net/24814/
21:00<SamanthaD>hand transcribed from my log
21:01<nathan>finally got flash working
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21:04<SamanthaD>Also... shouldn't the apt.conf script have both lines terminated by a ;? Someone should fix that...
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21:08<themill>ok, so that warning is from mkinitramfs which works around TMPDIR being noexec so you should be ok. Given that it's only a couple of packages if in doubt, you could just aptitude reinstall them
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21:08<SamanthaD>okay! Thank you!
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21:43<az-2>can someone tell me which dist to download to make win7 connect to debian samba server? i tried stable, but im not sure if its the correct version or not, having tried fruitlessly to make it work. trying to get testing iso now, and reinstall. thought id ask here first for tips or clues.
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21:45<stderr>az-2: If you already have a working stable system, you don't need to download the testing iso. You can just change your sources.list from wheezy to jessie and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
21:46<az-2>something a about win7 not being able to authenticate to samba versions below 3.0
21:46<stderr>That being said, I don't use samba, so I have no idea if that would solve your problem or not.
21:47<SamanthaD>az-2: Wheezy has a samba > 3.0
21:47<az-2>hmm, the server is isolated from the internet atm, but i can try that if i exhaust other possibilities first
21:47<SamanthaD>az-2: Stay with stable, figure it out
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21:47<az-2>crap, ok.
21:48<guspur>msg NickServ SENDPASS guspur
21:48<guspur>1376444844:955C095CF817EEC9C3C31675470D15782C4E634F gusa2873
21:48<guspur>1376444844:955C095CF817EEC9C3C31675470D15782C4E634F
21:48<guspur>sorry i typo
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21:49<SamanthaD>guspur: better change your password, eh?
21:50<az-2>lol
21:50<stderr>He left.
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21:54<child>az-2 you need to make some changes on win7 to put it on domain and connect to samba
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21:55<child>but it works in any dist
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21:59<az-2>cool, i just found some other reference stuff to try, think i might be able to solve. thanx
22:00<az-2>laterz
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22:23<theosdev>how to create an app in ubuntu?
22:24<SamanthaD>theosdev: That's an awfully nebulous question...
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22:24<Infiltrator>theosdev: More importantly, you do realise that you're in #debian, right?
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22:25<Infiltrator>!tell theosdev -about ubuntu
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22:28<theosdev>oh, sorry
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22:29<snogglethorpe>theosdev: you could ask "how do I create an app in debian?" and still receive applicable feedback...
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23:23<smellyphuc>GUESS WHAT
23:23<smellyphuc>First off ... FUCK the STATUE OF LIBERTY!! ITS A PIECE OF UGLY SHIT!! FUCKBOMB IT.... SECOND FUCKING MASSIVE TITs and HUGE FUCK BANDWIDTH SPIKE SHIT ~~ WWW.CENTEX.NET COME GET UR HUGE GOLDEN TITs and AMAZING CHICKEN PORN
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23:25<cogito>On wheezy lxde i installed a firewall but it's not in the list of applications, not even in other
23:25<jmcnaught>cogito: what did you install?
23:26<cogito>jmcnaught, gufs or gufw something like that
23:27<jmcnaught>cogito: did you try running it from a terminal?
23:27<cogito>no, i don't know how
23:28<jmcnaught>well i don't know about this particular package, but you could look for the "gufw" website and see if there's any documentation can read
23:28<cogito>that's another question i have, why do i have xterm, uxterm, lxterminal, root terminal How many terminal emulator does one desktop need?
23:29<themill>"dpkg -L gufw | grep bin" is always a good standby
23:29<jmcnaught>cogito: according to "apt-file show gufw" the command is simply "gufw" (at /usr/bin/gufw)
23:29<jmcnaught>cogito: but you should still find the manual and read it :)
23:30<cogito>jmcnaught, That's my other question, i installed some Documentation packages, how do i read any of it?
23:30<themill>dlocate -lsbin and dlocate -lsman ftw
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23:32<cogito>themill, wouldn't Synaptic have already dpkg it?
23:33<jmcnaught>cogito: most commands have a manual page that you can read with the "man" command. try "man gufw"
23:35<themill>or install the "dwww" package and then go to http://localhost/dwww/
23:35<jmcnaught>cogito: if you're using Synaptic, once a package is installed you can right-click a package, choose properties, installed files tab. Synaptic is basically doing "dpkg -L" behind the scenes when you do this
23:36<cogito>jmcnaught, Thanks i see the manual for gufw
23:36<cogito>why did lxde put everything else in the menus, but not gufw?
23:36<cogito>I'm assuming the menu is part of lxde
23:37<cogito>is there a place where all the documentation goes?
23:37<cogito>If it's not obvious, i'm a noob at linux
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23:39<jmcnaught>cogito: i don't know. the menu is built by LXDE by looking at the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications. It seems like gufw's package put a gufw.desktop package there. Maybe it'll be there when ynext time you log in? Maybe LXDE chose to ignor for some reason?
23:39<jmcnaught>cogito: check out /usr/share/doc, every package you install creates a directory there
23:40<cogito>jmcnaught, Can you see my install?
23:40<jmcnaught>cogito: no, i looked at the contents of the gufw package using apt-file
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23:41<cogito>ah, i installed a package that said it could show my system trough xchat
23:41<themill>gufw is maked "OnlyShowIn=Unity". nfc why.
23:42<jmcnaught>cogito: what package was that?
23:42<themill>,bug 681315
23:42<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/681315 in gufw (open, patch): «gufw: the gufw desktop entry doesn't show up in gnome environment»; severity: minor; opened: 2012-07-12; last modified: 2012-09-09.
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23:44<cogito>jmcnaught, xchat-xsys
23:46<themill>That really only gives basic stats on your hardware (and is pretty noisy and unhelpful so few irc channels want to see that sort of information)
23:47<cogito>themill, should i remove it?
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23:48<themill>entirely up to you. It's not exactly one of the most useful pieces of software that is available.
23:48<cogito>Where are the help files in linux?
23:49<cogito>There, it's gone
23:50<znalo>cogito: documentation in various places under /usr/share/doc for packages and as mapages using the man command
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23:52<cogito>znalo, all i saw in /usr/share/doc is copyrights and changelogs
23:53<cogito>themill, should i file a bug report about gufw in lxde environment?
23:53<themill>it's already there, as judd said
23:54<cogito>themill, but it says gnome environment
23:54<cogito>anyway to make lxde see it?
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23:57<cogito>What are the best hardware testing, bench marking packages i can get?
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23:58<cogito>What am i supposed to use in lxde to mount drives?
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