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---Logopened Wed Aug 14 00:00:04 2013
---Daychanged Wed Aug 14 2013
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00:04<libsexy>Is there a chance for me to install specific packages during a netinst install or will I have to use chroot afterwards?
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00:06<boggle>4.1.3. Prepare for downtime on services
00:06<boggle>4.1.3. Prepare for downtime on services
00:06<boggle>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html
00:06<boggle>will ssh/mosh go down during a distro upgrade?
00:07<boggle>if so, how can i upgrade a vps i have no physical access to?
00:07<themill>boggle: is your network managed by network-manager or is it a static configuration?
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00:08<boggle>themill: i am not sure, how can i find out?
00:08<boggle>themill: so, probably network manager lol
00:08<boggle>themill: since i have no idea
00:09<themill>It's unlikely a VPS is using network-manager. Look in /etc/network/interfaces for configuration; see if the network-manager package is installed
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00:14<boggle>themill: http://pastebin.com/pbNxuTA0
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00:14<boggle>themill: that's my /etc/network/interfaces
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00:15<cogito>Should i install Ubuntu instead of Debian?
00:15<Infiltrator>cogito: No.
00:15<jmcnaught>cogito: maybe try gnome instead of lxde?
00:16<themill>yeah, so network-manager wouldn't be involved in that. Yes, you should be able to upgrade over an ssh link -- 4.1.5 of the release notes describes doing exactly that. The ssh daemon is restarted but existing connections aren't dropped. I'd highly recommend doing the upgrade inside screen so if your connection goes down for any reason you can easily resume.
00:16<Infiltrator>boggle: You could try running a screen/tmux with apt* inside it.
00:16<cogito>I want the lightest possible linux, my computer isn't young
00:16<jmcnaught>boggle: are you using solusvm?
00:17<Infiltrator>boggle: What themill said.
00:17<jmcnaught>boggle: never mind
00:17<ixi>pretty sure something like awesomewm would be lighter than lxde
00:18<Infiltrator>cogito: The ligther environments are typically more difficult to learn, though.
00:18<cogito>jmcnaught, It's just that my previous 3 questions got no answer at all
00:18<jmcnaught>cogito: how much RAM does your computer have?
00:19<cogito>Infiltrator, as long as i can get access to documentation and answers, i can learn to use it
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00:19<cogito>jmcnaught, 2GB, but only 1GB in virtualbox
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00:20<Infiltrator>cogito: Then, as far as I'm aware, all the DEs/WM have man pages at the least.
00:20<abdu>hi
00:20<cogito>Infiltrator, where?
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00:23<jmcnaught>cogito: have you tried xfce? it's lighter than gnome but has more features than lxde
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00:24<cogito>jmcnaught, It's on the short list, but it still takes twice the mem
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00:25<jmcnaught>cogito: /usr/share/doc, and the command "man <any command>". there is also an abundance of documentation online if you do some searching
00:25<cogito>anyway to fix what themill was talking about "gufw is maked "OnlyShowIn=Unity""
00:26<cogito>jmcnaught, I keep finding documentation for Ubuntu
00:26<cogito>jmcnaught, any way to get the list of commands?
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00:27*c0d3 a
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00:28<jmcnaught>a lot of Ubuntu (or any GNU/Linux distro) stuff will still be relevant to Debian. The stuff that's different between distros is how software is installed, and how/configuration of software happens.
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00:29<jmcnaught>cogito: http://debian-handbook.info/ would be a good place to start :)
00:30<jmcnaught>cogito: you can install the book locally with the command (as root): "apt-get install debian-handbook"
00:31<cogito>jmcnaught, (as root) meaning sudo?
00:31<jmcnaught>cogito: "man" is great to use when someone tells you to use a command, you can check to see what it does first. "man apt-get" or "man sudo" for example.
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00:32<themill>also "apropos"
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00:32<jmcnaught>cogito: it depends on your system. sudo if that's how you become root
00:33<cogito>jmcnaught, All i know is some times i get asked for the root password
00:33<cogito>themill, "apropos" ???
00:35<Infiltrator>cogito: man apropos ;)
00:35<cogito>mmm ... by choosing root terminal in the menus, i just opened a terminal as root without the password
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00:36<themill>apropos apropos"
00:36<themill>!
00:36<Infiltrator>Nice.
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00:39<cogito>can't i get the handbook with synaptic?
00:39<themill>sure
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00:40<cogito>It seems to be stuck at 0% [Waiting for headers]
00:40<cogito>never mind it's downloading
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00:41<cogito>so any command to get a list of available commands?
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00:44<cogito>ok, i have the handbook, but where is it
00:45<themill>cogito: list of all commands? There are about 30000 if you go digging. That's not really what you want.
00:45<themill>cogito: same as before when looking for the list of files in gufw.
00:46<cogito>what list of files?
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00:46<themill>list of files in the package "debian-handbook" that you just installed?
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00:47<cogito>I think i found it, but not in doc, in doc-base
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00:48<themill>no, doc-base is only an index
00:48<cogito>wow doc-base says it's in doc
00:48<cogito>well an index is nice
00:49<themill>[13:35] <themill> or install the "dwww" package and then go to http://localhost/dwww/
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00:50<cogito>themill, I never understood that line
00:52<themill>,i dww
00:52<judd>No package named 'dww' was found in wheezy/i386.
00:52<themill>,i dwww
00:52<judd>Package dwww (doc, optional) in wheezy/i386: Read all on-line documentation with a WWW browser. Version: 1.11.8; Size: 128.2k; Installed: 442k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/dwww
00:53<themill>dpkg: tell cogito about doc-base
00:53<themill>Or install "doc-central" and browse the documentation at http://localhost/dc/
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00:57<cogito>dwww is installed thanks
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00:59<cogito>know any good hardware testing/bench marking packages?
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00:59<cogito>I found Phoronix test suite
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01:06<cogito>exit
01:06<cogito>oops
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02:50<bugtraq>test
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05:25<bfmt048>anyone knows online helpers for php and mysql developers
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05:27<SagoCole>Hi
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05:30<SagoCole>I'm having an issue with sources.list, was wondering if anyone here could help me out
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05:33<gnugr>SagoCole:whats wrong with your sources.list?
05:33<amitz>why debian has no daemonize btw? http://software.clapper.org/daemonize/daemonize.html
05:34<SagoCole>I'm not sure exactly, but when I try to install something, it tells me to insert a cd and press enter
05:34<SagoCole>specifically with this command:
05:34<SagoCole>apt-get install -y dialog ntp vim rsync --force-yes
05:34<Yoda-BZH>amitz: start-stop-daemon ?
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05:34<SagoCole>I did some googling and figured it was in sources, I tried commenting out the line that tells it to use a cd-rom, but I'm not sure what to put in its place
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05:35<amitz>Yoda-BZH: does that have the ability to daemonize an originally not daemonize app?
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05:36<amitz>!paste SagoCole
05:36<dpkg>SagoCole: put your output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
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05:37<Yoda-BZH>amitz: I think so, with the --background option
05:38<amitz>neat, thanks Yoda-BZH
05:38<SagoCole>dpkg: http://paste.debian.net/24921/
05:38<dpkg>SagoCole: i haven't a clue
05:38<gnugr>SagoCole:edit your "/etc/apt/sources.list" and remove the lines with cdrom infront
05:39<SagoCole>That's with the cd rom part removed
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05:41<SagoCole>I created a backup of the original, and am using this as my sources.list right now:
05:41<SagoCole>http://paste.debian.net/24922/
05:41<SagoCole>which creates the error I pasted a minute ago
05:43<SagoCole>And here is the orignal file contents: http://paste.debian.net/24923/
05:43<jm_>!tell SagoCole -about sources.list
05:45<SagoCole>Ah, dpkg, this chat log is where I figured out it was a problem with sources.list, w0rm-_x was having a similar issue, I'm not sure if you would remember
05:45<SagoCole>http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/20130214.html.gz
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05:46<SagoCole>I just noticed your name in there
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05:52<jm_>SagoCole: dpkg is a bot, simply do what it told you to add to sources.list
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06:10<avishayza>hello
06:11<avishayza>someone can help me how can i download using xchat?
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06:16<f8l>avishayza: What do you mean?
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06:16<roughnecks>avishayza: i fear that's beyond the scope of #debian.
06:16<avishayza>file sharing
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06:17<avishayza>download movies ect?
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06:18<f8l>avishayza: Go to appropriate channel to ask such questions.
06:18<avishayza>ah ok thanks
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06:47<neo1691>Can anyone tell me the command to detect my wireless interface, it should be wlan0 but I just want to confirm it
06:48<ZIPY>ifconfig
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06:51<neo1691>ZIPY: Thanks! :)
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06:52<jm_>neo1691: detect it how?
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06:53<neo1691>jm_: just wanted the know the name of my interface, trying to run a script to make wifi hotspot in debian, not working giving this error mon.wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
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06:53<jm_>neo1691: ahh ok, then ifconfig works
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06:59<neo1691>can anyone give me more information about this erro mon.wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
06:59<neo1691>*error
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07:00<neo1691>and when I post ifconfig this it what is written next to wlan0
07:00<neo1691>wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:08:ca:cf:2c:cf
07:00<neo1691>is this normal
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07:02<SynrG>neo1691: let's start with lspci -nn | grep -i network
07:02<SynrG>might be a case of missing firmware?
07:02<SynrG>but we need to know the pciid
07:03<SynrG>and be "we", i mean other people here. i'm heading out shortly
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07:05<neo1691>SynrG: 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01)
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07:06<SynrG>,pciid [168c:002b
07:06<SynrG>crap
07:06<SynrG>,pciid [168c:002b]
07:06<judd>[168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
07:07<neo1691>judd: driver missing?
07:07<judd>(driver [<network>]) -- Returns the current network driver for <network>. <network> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the network to which this command is to apply.
07:07<SynrG>judd is a bot
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07:08<SynrG>i'm confused as to why it links to ath9k_htc
07:08<SynrG>anyway, yours is on this list:
07:08<SynrG>https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
07:08<SynrG>it does not require a firmware so that's not it
07:09<neo1691>SynrG: hmm that means I dont require the driver
07:09<neo1691>would you like to see the link that I am trying to install
07:09<neo1691>Or I should say script
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07:10<SynrG>the driver is in the kernel.
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07:10<SynrG>link to a paste at paste.debian.net with the script. others may be able to help
07:10<SynrG>sounds like you're doing something wrong in the script
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07:13<neo1691>SynrG: Its a script from webupd8
07:14<bfmt048>how to install ruby on rails in ubuntu 12.04
07:14<jm_>!ubuntuirc bfmt048
07:14<dpkg>bfmt048: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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07:15<neo1691>http://www.webupd8.org/2013/06/how-to-set-up-wireless-hotspot-access.html here is the script
07:17<jm_>when does it give you that error?
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07:30<neo1691>jm_: when I do ap-hotspot restart
07:30<neo1691>because it never works in the first place
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07:31<jm_>neo1691: how about start? does that work? or configure?
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07:32<neo1691>jm_: Yes that works. But other devices wont detect it
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07:33<warhammer>morning
07:34<neo1691>warhammer: good morning!!
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07:34<neo1691>its evening here
07:34<jm_>neo1691: hmm can't really help with that as I'm not familiar with wlan, so best wait for someone else
07:35<neo1691>okay!!
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07:41<SynrG>neo1691: possibly either the card lacks that capability or the driver for the card lacks that capability
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08:27<zeev>Hi, a really challenging question : http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/86279/mount-a-device-as-another-user - any ideas? Thank you.
08:28<nevyn>without escelating to root? or having static config as root?
08:30<zeev>nevyn: preferably to grant minimal privileges... I don't care at the end...
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08:31<zeev>nevyn: I need the usb-stick to be "write-only"...
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08:32<nevyn>format it ext2 and use permissions?
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08:40<musca>zeev: just to show you the category of your question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-only_memory_(joke)
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08:50<zeev>nevyn: how?
08:51<zeev>musca: I talk about users with different rights... I con't care if root can access it
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08:54<mgv>zeev: what about mounting with umask=0044?
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08:54<mgv>and uid=0,gid=0
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08:54<zeev>mgv: what does this mean?
08:54<mgv>well, you'd have an entry in fstab that looks like:
08:55<mgv>/dev/sdb1 /mnt/stick vfat users,umask=0044,uid=0,gid=0 0 0
08:55<mgv>the result will be:
08:55<mgv>1. root can do everything
08:55<mgv>2. everyone non-root can write to the stick, but not read from it
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08:55<colossus>hi, i've run into a network prolem. I wnat to create a tun interface but when i do mknod /dev/net/tun it says operation not permitted. I have no idea what i am doing wrong.
08:56<mgv>this is similar to what you were asking, with the difference that everyone (not just testuser) can write to the stick
08:56<mgv>oh, I have a better idea
08:56<zeev>mgv: that simple? that what I'm looking for... and nobody mentioned it before. Thank you. I'll check it...
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08:56<mj>hi
08:56<mj>got problem with sound
08:56<mgv>zeev: /dev/sdb1 /mnt/tick vfat users,umask=0047,uid=0,gid=TESTUSER_GID 0 0
08:56<mj>can someone help ?
08:56<mgv>and now testuser can write, root can do everything, and others cannot do anything
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08:57<devil>mj: we do not know
08:57<mgv>dpkg: tell mj about ask
08:57<zeev>mgv: thank you very much. I need to learn what umask does...
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08:57<mgv>zeev: read man umask
08:57<mgv>basically, it's a mask of permissions that are denied
08:57<mgv>do you know how unix permissions work?
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08:58<zeev>a bit yes
08:58<zeev>rwx...?
08:58<mj>well i have deb 7.1 everything was just good, i shotdown the laptop, and after start- no sound at all, i cant start alsamixer - no mixers
08:58<mgv>they look like rwxrw-r--
08:58<mgv>yes
08:58<RamShadow>Hey
08:58<mj>and /proc/asond/cards - no cards
08:58<mgv>r is a 4, w is a 2, x is a 1
08:58<zeev>mgv: yes... so?
08:58<mgv>so rwxrw-r-- is a 764
08:58<zeev>ok
08:58<mj>i didnf install anything or removed anything
08:58<mgv>umask is a mask of permissions that you cannot have
08:58<gijs>hello debhelper
08:58<gijs>struggling with a debian installation
08:59<gijs>system ask me for a CDROM titled Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0_Weezy_-Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20130615-21:53
08:59<gijs>where can I find it?
08:59<gijs>googled it but no luck
08:59<gijs>so bottom line my installation hangs on this point
08:59<mgv>so if the umask is ---r--rwx
08:59<gijs>Any suggestions?
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08:59<mgv>aka 0027
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08:59<mgv>then the owner can do anything, the group cannot read, others cannot do anything
08:59<mgv>zeev: is this clear?
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09:00<mj>when i do alsa force-reload i get - hda-intel no codecs found
09:00<zeev>mgv: yes, and owner can mount, but not read, right?
09:00<mgv>mounting has nothing to do with permissions
09:00<mgv>if you have a 'users' in the flags in /etc/fstab, then everyone can mount
09:01<mgv>but only testuser will be able to write
09:01<colossus>gijs: in ubutnu ftp under netinstall
09:01<zeev>mgv: permissions apply to the /media/usb folder?
09:01<mgv>yes
09:01<colossus>debian ftp*
09:01<zeev>mgv: great! thank you very very much - go checking...
09:01<mgv>you're welcome
09:01<mgv>hope it works
09:01<RamShadow>i have a problem with a wheezy netinstall. I can't load an module with modprobe, it says : 'libkmod: kmod_lookup_alias_from_builtin_file: could not open builtin file '/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/modules.builtin.bin'' if i have a look to this file i see its 0kb of size. Have anyone seen this too?
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09:02<colossus>@gijs ill send link
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09:03<colossus>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/
09:03<RamShadow>of have anyone an idea how i can fix this? A netinstall without net is not sooo usefull
09:03<colossus>I wnat to create a tun interface but when i do mknod /dev/net/tun it says operation not permitted. I have no idea what i am doing wrong.
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09:08<gijs>thanks colossus
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09:10<mj>any ideas ?
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09:10<gijs>not sure if I read it correct. There is a ISO file on there but that one will dot do it
09:10<gijs>or should I use one of the .smal files and how do I convert that into the desired CD ROM name and files
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09:12<gijs>should the ISO file do it?
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09:14<RamShadow>i don't know why it is asking but the iso should so it.
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09:15<gijs>the ISO image I use for the installation is debian-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso
09:15<gijs>and this one gives me this problem
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09:15<RamShadow>in which situation ask it ?
09:17<gijs>Ok follow the whole process and uptill and including 'select and install software@ it all goes well.
09:17<gijs>but after the 1253 files are downloaded and the system goes into configurating it all I get the request for this CDROM
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09:20<gijs>now after canceling this step it goes into installing the GRUB boot loader but this also fails
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09:20<gijs>gat 'failed to copy from CD-ROM' error
09:21<gijs>a retry does not help
09:21<colossus>apparently i have no lsmod installed. How can i get that?
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09:22<peter1138>kmod package
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09:35<colossus>kmod wont install in dpkg cause it needs libkmod2 and that wont install becaue of no multiarch suppirt
09:35<colossus>o*
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09:35<colossus>ideas?
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09:37<devil>colossus: you need to set up multiarch (my guess without reading backlog)
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09:38<colossus>how do i do that?
09:39<nevyn>!multiarch
09:39<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
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09:40<themill>real commands and real output in a pastebin are a precondition to getting answers to that sort of question
09:41<berto>is the subscription to bugs working fine?
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09:41<berto>I'm having problems lately
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09:43<berto>ah, it seems to work now
09:44<colossus>add architecture unknown option :/
09:44<colossus>is an*
09:45<devil>colossus: what exactly did you write?
09:46<themill>colossus: real commands + real output in a pastebin, please
09:46<devil>colossus: of course you need to add an arch
09:46<devil>most likely i386
09:46<colossus>i386
09:46<colossus>i am on a amd64 system
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09:46<devil>colossus: please do what themill says, we need facts
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09:47<devil>colossus: pkg --add-architecture i386 should work
09:47<themill>If you can't type the command correctly into the irc input line, the chances are you didn't type it correctly into your terminal.
09:47<devil>ups
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09:47<devil>dpkg --add-architecture i386 of course
09:47<dpkg>devil: i don't know
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09:48<colossus>http://pastebin.aquilenet.fr/?bb38f24b8ddab2e7#zWpo+UnWsgWIWmL26Caryx8hfSDqsgApINgkAOJtqnE=
09:49<themill>Which release of debian is this?
09:49<devil>or what version of dpkg?
09:51<colossus>debian 6.o
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09:51<themill>I think we should take a step back here...
09:51<themill>!wayttd colossus
09:51<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, colossus?
09:52<colossus>In the end i would like to install kmod
09:52<themill>take another step backwards
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09:54<peter1138>several steps it seems
09:54<peter1138>ssh smtp1.mail.bucks.net
09:54<colossus>i want to create a TUN interface but mknod wont let me make /dev/net/tun. It says operation not permitted. Then i went online and found some commands which I ran and then i realized i dont have the lsmod command. In the end i would just like the tunnel to be created actually so we've come a long way :-)
09:54<peter1138>no :)
09:54<peter1138>silly window
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09:55<colossus>http://openetherpad.org/p/R9ySNjZaeU
09:55<colossus>i pasted the result here
09:55<colossus>not sure what i am doing wrong
09:55<peter1138>colossus, lsmod is in module-init-tools on squeeze
09:55<colossus>:/
09:55<colossus>kk
09:56<colossus>thx
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09:56<colossus>succes on the lsmod
09:57<colossus>finally :D
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09:58<themill>I'm somewhat surprised you don't have that package installed already. That you were trying to install "kmod" also means you're trying to mix packages from different releases which isn't a great plan
09:58<peter1138>you shouldn't have to mknod /dev/net/tun though, it should just... appear
09:58<peter1138>themill, i suggested kmod earlier as i forgot to ask which version
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09:59<themill>peter1138: apt apparently knows about a kmod package though
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09:59<colossus>lsmod | grep tun
09:59<colossus>fuck wrong tab
09:59<colossus>sry
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10:00<peter1138>yeah, that was weird
10:00<colossus>if i do modprobe tun i get thiis
10:00<colossus>root@vs3670:~# modprobe tun
10:00<colossus>FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/3.1.2-vs2.3.2.1.build1-cti/modules.dep: No such file or directory
10:00<peter1138>ahh yup
10:00<themill>that's not a debian kernel
10:00<peter1138>your system is broken
10:00<themill>colossus: is this a virtual machine of some description?
10:00<colossus>vps
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10:01<colossus>can i fix it?
10:01<themill>It looks like you don't actually run your own kernel which means you can do things like modprobe
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10:02<peter1138>yup, that'll be why module-init-tools isn't there. it's mostly useless on a (containerized) vps
10:02<themill>yeah
10:02<themill>I had a nasty feeling this was where we were headed
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10:03<colossus>http://wiki.vpslink.com/TUN/TAP_device_with_OpenVPN_or_Hamachi
10:03<colossus>i followed this
10:03<colossus>any chance of getting the node to run anymore?
10:03<colossus>:(
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10:20<cinch>how would i add this repository to /etc/apt/sources.list? http://download.bareos.org/bareos/release/12.4/Debian_7.0/
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10:27<cinch>got it, it's: deb http://download.bareos.org/bareos/release/12.4/Debian_7.0/ /
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10:47<buffoon>Hi! Can I select packages with apt-get -t from origins too in some way??
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10:51<mshuler>dpkg: tell buffoon about pinning
10:52<buffoon>mshuler, I know about that. My problem is that I would like to install a package from a repository with the same release name but I don't want to pin all the single dependencies
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10:52<buffoon>just like the -t option does but with o=my-repo.foo
10:53<mshuler>buffoon: so you will want to create a preference for that origin, higher than other origins
10:53<mshuler>no other way to do it that I know of
10:53<buffoon>ok, I'll pin the packages then. thx
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11:05<musca>buffoon: you can install by version: apt-get install inkscape='0.48.4-1'
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11:53<winsen>Hi all
11:53<winsen>please what does 'outsourcing' means for you as a skill?
11:54<bigjust>winsen: this is a debian support channel, do you have a debian-related question?
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13:15<abderraouf>how i can stop rescue mode ?
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13:16<SynrG>exit ?
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13:21<peter1138>hm, weird, i've got pstree listing processes multiple times
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13:22<peter1138>on an lxc host, processes in some lxc guests appear attached to the host's init, and to the guests' init
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13:22<peter1138>looks fine with htop
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13:59<Sammy123>is it a bad idea to squeeze wood?
14:00<Sammy123>oh dear, never mind me
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14:26<kardan>Sammy123: did you mean wheezily squeezing woody jessy? That would be a sarge! (SCNR)
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14:29<daemonkeeper>If only Sammy123 was nicknamed "lenny" ...
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14:31<pmart>considering we have snapshot.debian.org, isn't the regular archive.debian.org no longer necessary?
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14:32<pmart>at least for post 2005 releases
14:33<Sammy123>I find the archives to be more comfortable than the snapshots
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14:35<pmart>but archive only records the final state of the distribution at the point where all updates stopped, is that right?
14:35<pmart>i.e. after the changes incorporated by point releases etc.
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14:36<pmart>anyway can someone confirm that archive.debian.org is indeed redundant
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14:40<sennin>hola
14:40<sennin>hay algun canal back track
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14:43<sennin>como puedo contactar a anonymous
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14:43<sennin>necesito ayuda
14:44<kardan>Bo, Jessie! Buzzy Rex etches slinky potato in Hamm while the woody sarge wheezily squeezes Lenny.
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14:44<kardan>!es
14:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:47<kardan>Ok, while is no codename yet ..
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14:49<musca>kardan: not bad :)
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14:56<kardan>Just a start. Probably dpkg knows better ones.
14:57<hogar>hola
14:57<kardan>Long forgotten tales from the golden past ..
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15:00<kardan>Quite an epoche - 20 years! Can't be many days left, right?
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15:03<kardan>dpkg, how old are you?
15:03<dpkg>900 ... like Yoda ...
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15:04<kardan>Mh, I think dpkg is not completely true.
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15:07<kardan>dpkg, who are your parents?
15:07<dpkg>kardan: what are you talking about?
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15:10<kardan>Don't be shy, dpkg!
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15:29<pmart>kardan: yeah, i wish i discovered debian sooner and could experience it's evolution through all those years and codenames.
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15:34<pmart>s/sooner/earlier, actually
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15:37<mshuler>stick around - there are plenty more Toy Story characters to come ;)
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15:39<pmart>mshuler: really? i was a bit worried we're running out of names.
15:40<pmart>have we reached the limit of original Toy Story yet? The sequel has many new characters i suppose
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15:42<avtobiff>pmart, right when i started using debian, there were very few releases for several years. releases are more frequent nowadays. :)
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15:44<pmart>you know, i didn't even knew about debian when i first watched Toy Story, lol
15:44<captnfab>pmart: iirc, Jessie is not from the first Toy Story
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15:46<pmart>captnfab: it appears to me so too, cause i don't recognize her from the picture
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15:47<mshuler>Jessie is from TS2
15:47<kardan>pmart: yea, first heard of debian woody when a class mate made an upgrade from potato. Later at our office it took ages until the successor of sarge was released. IIRC I discovered it as "my" system in 2008 running testing. Beeing more and more happy with it - especially since I dropped gnome :)
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15:57<pmart>kardan: i can imagine how exasperated were people in 2005 after 3 years of waiting for sarge. that was an epic delay :)
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15:59<mshuler>I haven't ever updated any of dpkg's notes, but <release history> needs the trailing "ch" characters removed, of someone wants to do that.. I tried "news set" but I guess they are not news items
15:59<mshuler>nothing else it dpkg's help looks like something to set things wiht
16:00<SamB>kardan: I think I dropped gnome in summer of 2003 when gnome 2 was trying to enter the picture ;-)
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16:48<mshuler>sweet. I figured out how to update dpkg
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17:11<nutron>what's the channel for the installer again?
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17:20<mshuler>nutron: #debian-boot
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17:20<nutron>mshuler: thanks
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17:48<kardan>SamB: 2003 .. then you probably witnessed the amazing jump from 2600 to 15000 binary packages in 5 years? (potato->woody->sarge from 2000 to 2005) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/project-history.en.txt
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17:56<kardan>developers compared to it "only" doubled in this (potato->woody) and stayed nearly constant until 2007. Thats's interesting stuff, isn't it, dpkg?!
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17:57<kardan>dpkg is sleeping already.
17:57<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kardan
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17:59<kardan>!tell dpkg about markov
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18:00<kardan><dpkg> Isn't that a bit silly? | <kardan> maybe you are right | <dpkg> okay
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18:03<captnfab>how many dd are there nowadays? still around 1k ?
18:03<devil>around that, last I checked
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18:04<captnfab>ok, thx
18:04<horux>oh bad, tan tan tararan tan tan tan
18:04<horux>hue brbr
18:05<devil>hold your horses
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18:22<kardan>!markov
18:22<dpkg>it has been said that markov is a mathematical system used in many scientific areas like text processing for artifical intelligence and to generate human looking sentences, also abused by spammers. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain#Markov_text_generators
18:23<kardan>brave bot
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18:39<ymir>Hi. I am running debian and just installed openbox windows manager. I want to try it, and am using xfce atm. how do I activate openbox? i haven't restarted
18:39<ymir>is a restart necessary?
18:42<bernat>no, just close your curent session
18:42<bernat>current*
18:43<ymir>bernat: so it changes automatically?
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18:43<ymir>all ive done is apt-get install openbox
18:43<bernat>no, at the session start you should choose your session
18:43<bernat>when you login you should see a session selector, select the openbox session
18:43<ymir>alright, thanks bernat
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19:35<mulan>Finally a Debian release named after a penguin
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20:27<debyan>Is there a way to get rid of the "These files are on a digital audio player. [Open Rhythmbox Music Player]" in Nautilus?
20:27<debyan>bar in Nautilus*
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20:35<zmisc>So is Debian making a transition to systemd? I have been out of the loop for some time.
20:36<abrotman>not planned as of now
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20:37<zmisc>So there is going to be a choice? or no decision has been made?
20:37<zmisc>Sorry for all the questions.
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20:38<themill>zmisc: reading the debian-devel mailing list would give a good impression of the current situation
20:38<abrotman>if you want to read a few hundred messages
20:39<cogito>hi, does anyone know how i can access the shared folders of virtualbox from debian?
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20:39<zmisc>I guess I'll just wait and see what happens.
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20:41<themill>abrotman: that's actually my point ;)
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20:44<abrotman>zmisc: probably crying
20:44<abrotman>themill: i was stating your implied statement :)
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20:48<cogito>dpkg: tell cogito about virtualbox
20:48<zmisc>Oh I'm sure there's all kinds of polticial, idealogical, technical reasons and a large discussion. Either way I have to wait till it pans out I was just curious.
20:49<abrotman>dpkg: tell cogito about selftell
20:49<abrotman>zmisc: there's a wiki page also
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20:50<cogito>abrotman, well no one else was answering
20:50<zmisc>It's a pretty big change in software, etc.
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21:43<N580-noob>i need help, either a url to a debian amd64 kde installer .iso or a way to make kde default on this install. (done: root shell > apt-get install kde-standard , set kdm as default from root shell , reboot . still in gnome)
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21:46<N580-noob>does anyone know which file references startx or startkdm during the startup process?
21:47<abrotman>N580-noob: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/
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21:47<N580-noob>thanks
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21:50<chealer>N580-noob: you mean you don't get kdm?
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21:51<N580-noob>:) just what i needed. i been wondering where these desktop specific .iso were hiding. i still cant seem to surf to them from www.debian.org
21:52<N580-noob>i did an apt-get install kde-standard and it installed kdm and even let me set it as default right from the root shell
21:52<N580-noob>and it didn't work
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21:53<N580-noob>reboot loaded gnome
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21:55<N580-noob>i'm thinking of getting a ideapad p400 (z400?). does anyone know if i would/might have any issues with it?
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21:57<themill>N580-noob: did you select what type of session to log into in kdm?
21:58<N580-noob>i wasn't presented with the chance?
21:58<N580-noob>it asked me which to make default, xdm or kdm
21:58<N580-noob>i said kdm
21:58<N580-noob>it still booted gnome
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21:59<themill>no, it rebooted into kdm
21:59<themill>When you are about to log in to kdm, you can choose the session type
21:59<N580-noob>no such option
22:00<N580-noob>it gave me the password promt and that's it
22:00<N580-noob>was the option in the cut-off part of the password prompt?
22:00<N580-noob>login password prompt
22:00<N580-noob>?
22:00<themill>what cutoff part of the password prompt?
22:01<N580-noob>the bottom
22:01<themill>we can't see your screen... you need to be a bit more descriptive
22:01<N580-noob>sorry :{
22:02<N580-noob>retyping ...
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22:02<N580-noob>the prompt had a login name at top, then password under that, then another row of something i could only see the top half of
22:02<themill>N580-noob: random screenshot from web: http://linuxlibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/kubuntu-11-10-14.jpg see the blue down arrow? that lets you select what session to log into
22:03<N580-noob>omw
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22:03<themill>(precise details will vary with whatever kdm / desktop theme packages are installed and selected)
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22:04<N580-noob>that's a nifty prompt but my prompt was not that fancy.
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22:04<N580-noob>it may have had an arrow, or the arrow might have been what was cut off, i'd have to reboot to look
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22:05<N580-noob>i'm downloading the other iso via wget atm
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22:05<N580-noob>using abrotman's link
22:06<themill>I can't imagine that a reinstall would change this
22:06<N580-noob>this is a new install so no data/use yet.
22:06<N580-noob>nah, was gonna wipe and start over
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22:06<N580-noob>fresh install
22:07<N580-noob>themill, your info on the prompt was helpful anyways. i needed to know that
22:08<N580-noob>and thank you
22:08<N580-noob>:)
22:08<themill>np
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22:09<N580-noob>i still will try to see if i can find that arrow in this prompt before i wipe and install. i like trying to fix what i can first. if nothing else i can learn something
22:10<N580-noob>i'd love to edit the responsible file in a root shell (vi) if i knew which file. that also helps me learn. been a decade since i last worked with kde
22:10<N580-noob>kde is still my fav tho :)
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22:18<themill>N580-noob: kdm respects ~/.dmrc (iirc) so you can configure it per-user there
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22:18<N580-noob>um... under gnome, what does one use to "burn" this iso to a cd?
22:18<themill>brasero
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22:18<N580-noob>thanks
22:18<themill>Or you can change x-session-manager with update-alternatives
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22:18<N580-noob>i'll check that file while i wait for the dl to finish
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22:21<N580-noob>~/.dmrc under [Desktop] says Session=default
22:21<N580-noob>what would i put to make that kde?
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22:22<N580-noob>i usually read comments to learn the options but there are no comments in this file
22:23<N580-noob>no man entry either
22:23<themill>Session=kde I think.
22:24<N580-noob>i'll try it
22:24<themill>it might be "kde-plasma" these days. It's a long time since I've looked at such things... I'm not the sort of person who changes wm every 3rd day
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22:26<N580-noob>neither am i. this was a fresh install (first time) for this friend's pc (lenovo n580).
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22:27<N580-noob>i live in a different county and i too am switching to debian. i have my own install woes to face when i get home
22:27<N580-noob>grub and i are at war
22:28<N580-noob>and grub is winning :'{
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22:31*dvs wonders why grub is so hard to set up for some people
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22:33<N580-noob>on a mactel where grub needs to be on a flashdrive (not the installed system) so it can be chain-loaded via refit/refind (also on flasdrive) so that grub won't bypass the hardware security of the mac.
22:34<N580-noob>that's just for starters, grub gonna multiboot tails and a few others as well
22:35<N580-noob>i'm beginning to think all that is gonna be a rocket science
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22:36<N580-noob>ok disc is burned. gonna see if i can fix and wipe/install if i cant. thanks for the help folks :)
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23:06<rrivera>hi all, does someone know how to change the public IP address of the ISP
23:06<rrivera>some proxy or similar? I´m using Debian wheezy amd64 7.0
23:07<rrivera>I just want to watch the full catalog of netflix, I'm from Costa Rica so the catalog is limited
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23:14<Infiltrator>rrivera: Firstly, I would stay very very far away from netflix. To actually answer your question, though, yes, you would need to go through a proxy if you wish to mask your address; you can look at tor.
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23:19<moondog>Infiltrator: netflix is bad?
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23:23<AndChat|543881>I have mounted an iso to /media/folder and added this entry in fstab. How to automatically mount this at startup
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23:27<sney>it should by itself
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23:39<ixi>is there a way to tell how much space the data will take after unpacking from tar.gz archive without actually unpacking it ?
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23:42<themill>ixi: gzip -l foo.tar.gz; that doesn't take account of file sizes and filesystem block sizes of course
23:42<chealer>ixi: the tar file's size would make an excellent approximation
23:42*themill hands chealer a tarball of a million 100 byte files
23:43<ixi>ugh
23:44<Supaplex>themill: and it's all squid cache. muhuhaha.
23:44<themill>ixi: tar tzvf foo.tar.gz | some collection of awk to select the right column and add it up. But you'd still need to account for filesystem limitations
23:44<ixi>from gzip -l I get compressed: 7298744722 uncompressed: 4091706880 ratio: -78.4%
23:44<Supaplex>kvm cannot configure tun as a user (even though I'm in the kvm group). http://paste.debian.net/25266/ What's up with that?
23:44<ixi>how is that possible
23:45<themill>ixi: sounds like a numerical overflow in gzip's calculation
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23:45<Supaplex>ixi: try zcat foo.tar.gz | wc -c
23:46*themill still doesn't understand why "-c" is for bytes not chars and "-m" is for chars.
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23:47<birch>does anyone know of a better way to delete an md raid? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=884556
23:47<Supaplex>themill: sounds like pre-unicode legacy switches.
23:47<ixi>themill unicode
23:47<ixi>multibyte chars
23:47<ixi>etc
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23:47<Supaplex>birch: without thermite or high explosives?
23:48<birch>Supaplex, well those sound like fun but I think I'm going to have to pass :-p
23:48<themill>ixi: it would still be more sensible for -b to be bytes and -c to be chars
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23:49<ixi>yep
23:49<ixi>same goes for find -size
23:49<ixi>which uses c for bytes and b for 512b blocks(???)
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23:52<chealer>themill: presumably, someone considered a performance regression worse than a correctness regression. or the doc explicitly said -c counted bytes.
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