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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-08-16

---Logopened Fri Aug 16 00:00:02 2013
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01:29<xubuntu>Anyone running Xubuntu 12.04?
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01:30<vrkalak>xubuntu, this Debian
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01:30<vrkalak>this a /freenode #xubuntu
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01:52<jasnazaycata>nick jasnazaycata
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01:59<jasnazaycata>for macgarden where you from
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03:17<zeev>Hi, how can I tell udisk, that automounts usb sticks in Gnome, that he should apply umask=xxxx,uid=0,gid=0 on the mounting point folder that he creates? Thank you.
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03:43<nocturnal>happy birthday debian!
03:43<rooter_>#
03:43<nocturnal>there will be cake at the office today, I baked it just for this day. =)
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03:44<SuperCop>hello everybody
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03:45<Supaplex>sup
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03:46<SuperCop>this is my first successful attempt at communicating through irc
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03:46<SuperCop>thanks for replying, now i know how to sign in and chat
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03:47<SuperCop>just wanted to make sure u were replying to me
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03:49<SuperCop>wait is my communication coming through?
03:49<SuperCop>anybody reply
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03:49<Myon>09:49 <SuperCop> anybody reply
03:50<SuperCop>thanks
03:50<SuperCop>quit
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03:54<zeev>Hi, how can I tell udisk, that automounts usb sticks in Gnome, that he should apply umask=xxxx,uid=0,gid=0 on the mounting point folder that he creates? Thank you.
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04:05<Twofish>nocturnal: where do we meet to have a bite?
04:05<Twofish>There are 566 in here waiting for a location :)
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04:15<nocturnal>Twofish: Malmö, Sweden ;)
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04:19<Twofish>OK - thats not to far. I'll be on the 12.00 flight from Oslo to Copenhagen. I'll be there around 13.30. In time for cake?
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04:20<phako>hey, I'm trying to make my wheezy connect to my wifi at boot. I'm currently using http://fpaste.org/32507/63987913/ and ifwup wlan0 works fine, but it doesn't seem to happen automatically :-/
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04:36<nocturnal>Twofish: actually yes haha, around 14:00
04:37<nocturnal>is caketime
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04:37<genni>salve
04:37<genni>!list
04:37<dpkg>genni: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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04:37<Supaplex>hahahaaaa NICE!
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04:48<Twofish>nocturnal: well, tempting - but guess I'll just have to find a way to have a Debian-cake here...
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04:54<Twofish>For that last minute plane ticket on a Friday, I guess I can feed most of the ppl in this channel :p
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05:34<bluenemo>happy birthday :)
05:34<babilen>merci :)
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06:07<AgentC>Hi !
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06:09<AgentC>i am inside a rescue operation (Terrabyte HDD) ... data is safed, but is there tool which can check a partition of a harddisk for badblocks and mark them as "BAD" before i would start to reformat the filesystem ?
06:09<devil>phako: is the device built-in?
06:09<phako>devil: no, usb stick
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06:09<devil>phako: did you try 'allow-hotplug'?
06:10<phako>mhm. no
06:10<phako>sec
06:10<AgentC>maybe there was only a problem with filesystem-type (ext3/ext4), but it shows up "DDRV-ERR xxxxx logical sector xxx" , so i am not sure.
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06:14<abrotman>AgentC: iirc, mkfs has a method to pass it a file
06:14<azyr>can anyone recommend a nice debian-laptop? no problems with drivers at all and nice battery life
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06:15<abrotman>no firmware either?
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06:16<AgentC>how to generate a badblock-filelist ?
06:16<abrotman>badblocks
06:17<musca>disks have an integrated bad block management, the use invisible spare blocks to replace bad blocks.
06:18<phako>devil: crap. I thought it was for well real hotplugging. thanks
06:18<musca>increasing numbers of bad blocks means the disk will be dying rather quickly.
06:18<devil>phako: :)
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06:18<abrotman>musca: you could say greater than zero ...
06:18<devil>phako: it is also for real hotplugging :)
06:19<musca>abrotman: yes.
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06:19<martin_>how can i check if the correct graphic driver is installed?
06:20<Rydekull>azyr: Lenovo x220, x230, X1 Carbon. Buy the larger battery aswell
06:20<AgentC>musca: so i have no need for scanning the disk on R/W errors ?
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06:20<abrotman>martin_: what"s your card? check the X log
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06:21<musca>abrotman: if the disk starts reporting bad blocks, this usually means the internal error management has used all spare blocks already.
06:21<musca>AgentC ^
06:21<abrotman>musca: you hope ...
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06:23<AgentC>i was searching for tool scanning the disk for R/W errors and mark them for "unusable" in FS-datatables
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06:23<musca>AgentC: you can do so, just don't trust a disk, that is sending bad signs.
06:24<abrotman>in short, if your drive is showing bad blocks, you should start looking for a replacement
06:24<abrotman>immediately
06:24<musca>exactly.
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06:26<AgentC>abrotman: it does not tell directly badblocks, after a fsck it was working in RO mode, but when i was writing something, inode-tables was inconsitence and it showed DDRV-ERR messages with logical block number, i dunno it cames from filesystem-error or it is hardware-defect. when hw is defect, i'll search a replacement ASAP
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06:27<AgentC>abrotman: hm, could you name me a tool wich can do this job to look for rw errors?
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06:27<abrotman>you should get a fs image before you go further
06:27<AgentC>also i would like to do a lowlevel formatting after data is all copied
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06:28<AgentC>i am swaping my data scattered to other machines local, that will work. it is finished in some hours (copy to firm-network)
06:30<AgentC>splitted to several hdd's , file by file (it's an archive drive)
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06:33<martin_>I can't find /etc/X11/xorg.conf on my debian unstable
06:34<martin_>I got radeon X1700
06:34<AgentC>martin_: in newer xorg, maybe there is no xorg.conf any more, some1 told me before
06:35<martin_>ok thganks
06:35<AgentC>!tell martin_ about xorg
06:35<martin_>xrandr tells me No protocol specified Can't open display:0.0
06:36<abrotman>dont run it as root
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06:38<devil>martin_: xorg.conf is only needed in special cases nowadays
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06:38<abrotman>and an x1700 shouldnt qualify
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06:39<devil>abrotman: if he uses fglrx, he needs at least a stub
06:41<abrotman>if ... dont think he's gotten that far?
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06:43<martin_>the screen is shifted so not centered on the display
06:43<abrotman>sounds like a bad resolution
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06:47<martin_>even i run xrandr not as root i get Can't open display:0.0 abrotman
06:48<martin_>And strangely I'm not able to open any gnome terminals. When I click nothing happens....
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07:11<martin_>I still don't know how to fix this xrandr Can't open display :0.0 thing... does anybody know what I can try
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07:14<peter1138>so you're not running under X11?
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07:20<martin_>ok xrandr -s 0 works for me. but when i log out of gnome the scren resolution changes to 1400x900 instead of 1920x1080
07:20<AgentC>abrotman: the exactly error of disk is "ATA4.01: status (DRDY_ERR) , ATA4.01: error (UNC) , error: failed command READ DMA EXT and some hex-debug-info's ... faled message "ext3-FS error due to exection" and so on
07:20<AgentC>abrotman: is that hardware error? or filesystem inconsistence ?
07:21<AgentC>abrotman: i ask, because same problem i had before with another 160GB drive, which i just exchanged to a new one, and the drives are physicaly not very old....
07:24<AgentC>abrotman: EXT3-FS: error: cannot read block bitmap
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07:26<AgentC>abrotman: that was happening just on a write access : DELETE FILE
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07:29<AgentC>abrotman: now it continues to transfer normally after skipping to delete file
07:29<AgentC>abrotman: on move file from disk to network-device
07:29<AgentC>abrotman: by samba
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07:47<AgentC>project2501a: !! :-)
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07:53<project2501b>AgentC: ?
07:53<AgentC>just hi
07:53<AgentC>:)
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07:58<Jotunbane>HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEBIAN
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08:17<spektrum_>AgentC, had a similar problem few months ago.. did u change the sata cable?
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08:19<spektrum_>or maybe the controller is going to die
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08:26<AgentC>spektrum_: i wonder about that this error apears on deleting a file, but later, when i did same action on same file, it works without errors. cable should normally be ok, so it looks like.
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08:29<AgentC>cant rescue all data completly out of less swapping memory, some unneeded or re-downloadable data i have to delete.
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08:29<AgentC>after all i am going to make a badblock-scan with output to a file, for later use with mke2fs
08:30<spektrum_>AgentC, you should keep the hdd controller in mind! If u get the error or a similar one another time, then do a backup. :)
08:30<AgentC>spektrum_: i am doing backup since 20 hours ! some hours left.
08:30<spektrum_>1TB?
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08:31<AgentC>spektrum_: yepp 1TB, coping by network
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08:31<spektrum_>Local Network? 20hrs?
08:31<AgentC>if i listened correctly, there where some errors in ext3/ext4 in that time where i formatted that disk
08:32<AgentC>maybe it is just a software-problem, I hope
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08:32<AgentC>local network, yes, swapping to 11 different data-storages out of low memory left
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08:33<AgentC>20% data left for copiing if enough memory is left.
08:33<AgentC>i prefered important data to copy first
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08:34<spektrum_>now I feel extremely blessed with my 6 poweredge 720XD - 14TB*6 + Dark Fiber ..
08:35<AgentC>that's why , i have no storage where i can copy a hole disc-image to
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08:35<hussein>Does Wheezy do periodic updates automatically?
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08:35<AgentC>14*6 TB ? :-)) cool ;-)
08:36<spektrum_>must the image be bootable?
08:36<hussein>I get a dialog box asking for the root password from time to time for updates
08:37<hussein>hasn't happened on previous debians
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08:37<spektrum_>hussein - if so check the source of the dialog box..
08:37<spektrum_>ps aux :)
08:38<spektrum_>then u knwo
08:38<hussein>ah
08:38<spektrum_>*know
08:38<hussein>well
08:38<hussein>it's not happening now :-/
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08:38<spektrum_>i use debian only in minimal install, without GUI.
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08:40<hussein>there is this -> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
08:40<hussein>apparently it's enabled for security stuff
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08:42<spektrum_>what says your cron, hussein?
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08:42<spektrum_>looks like a cronjob. :)
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08:42<hussein>spektrum_, uhm not sure how to check that
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08:43<spektrum_>hussein, try crontab -l
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08:43<hussein>nothing for me
08:43<hussein>do I do it as root?
08:43<spektrum_>try it
08:44<hussein>no crontab for root either
08:44<otak>unattended-upgrades is a kind of daemon
08:45<spektrum_>thanks for the info
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08:47<spektrum_>ay, found it.. /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
08:47<spektrum_>APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";
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08:49<spektrum_>& /etc/apt/apt.conf.s/50unatteded-upgrades as u said, hussein. look in this config. :)
08:49<hussein>I did, security updates is enabled
08:49<spektrum_>fine
08:49<hussein>but I have no such periodic
08:50<spektrum_>appears it daily?
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08:53<AgentC>spektrum_: it's an archivedisc, no boot required.
08:54<spektrum_>Well, if u have 2hr left for the copy, then you shouldn't play with any tools..
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08:55<AgentC>spektrum_: no, when backup is finished, then i'l do badblock-check
08:56<AgentC>spektrum_: that still can take a while.
08:56<spektrum_>but.. how is it possible, that 1TB takes more then 20 hours? xD i can't get it
08:56<spektrum_>thats.. TOO much. :D
08:56<hussein>spektrum_, it appears...sometimes
08:57<AgentC>100MBit network internal - connected to 4 machines, 2 lines of them only WLAN (56MBit) and all this served by 1 machine
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08:58<AgentC>i am going to change that internal network structure later, but i need 1 global archive accessable by all internal machines
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08:59<AgentC>so, 1 server machine for internal file-hosting
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09:02<AgentC>spektrum_: so, hm, same procedure when all finished, drive is repaired/changed and then copy backwards to the free new archive disk ... hmgggrpppfff :-)
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09:07<gorna>Hello, I'm using gnome-mplayer Debian wheezy and I got high CPU usage while watch a video 1080p, enable material video acceleration vdpau but still 70-80% usage CPU why is that ? amd athlon x2 250 3,GHz dual core, amd drivers installed and gnome 3d features working
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09:08<Apollo>vdpau is for nvidia only...
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09:09<gorna>actually I tried all of them (gl,gl2,x11,etc) same issue
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09:14<valdyn>gorna: all but vdpau do not make a significant difference
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09:14<valdyn>gorna: and vdpau is probably not really enabled, even if you say so
09:15<Nemoder>I have the best luck with SDL vo in mplayer
09:15<gorna>valdyn: ok but why is my cpu usage so high even when x11 acceleration enabled ? I don't understand
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09:17<Nemoder>perhaps it's the video codec, have you tried other clips at that resolution?
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09:18<gorna>I tried an standard video and cpu usage is 40-50 %
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09:19<lenzeor>I just installed Crunchbang on an older laptop an apparently the graphics chip seems to be faulty... How can I make my system boot into fallback graphics mode only?
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09:19<gorna>look at my top : http://tof.canardpc.com/view/c0b36e54-7bce-42fd-9b24-969547e4393c.jpg
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09:22<gorna>should I try another player ? btw what is the cpu usage when you play a video with mplayer ?
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09:23<Apollo>lenzeor: this is debian support, not crunchbang
09:23<Apollo>!crunchbang
09:23<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
09:24<lenzeor>Ah okay sry
09:24<lenzeor>Found a solution on the ubuntu forums anyways
09:24<lenzeor>:)
09:25<Nemoder>gorna: less than 10% for me, you might try xine or vlc, they are both pretty good
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09:25<gorna>nemoder: ok I will but why am i getting those high cpu usage ? what are the reasons ?
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09:26<Nemoder>not enough info to know. what is your hardware? do you have a public video clip you are testing?
09:27<gorna>amd athlon x2 3Ghz dual core, 4 gigs ram DDR3, what do u mean public clip ? a file that I can share with you ?
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09:27<Nemoder>yeah a video in public domain
09:27<gorna>I don't, do you ?
09:28<Nemoder>none that are high res
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09:29<Nemoder>another thing you might try is disabling 3d effects in gnome
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09:30<gorna>well any file is fine since I got high cpu usage with low quality video, ok I will disable 3d effetcs
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09:31<Nemoder>and do try vo=sdl
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09:36<gorna>ok I tried vo sdl, here is the lines : http://pastebin.com/qDqZbLfM if you need more tell me I will paste all of it
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09:40<stderr>Nemoder & gorna: High res public domain videos: http://boingboing.net/2009/02/02/half-a-terabyte-of-p.html
09:41<Nemoder>ah, handy
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09:41<gorna>thanks stderr
09:42<stderr>Say thanks to the search engine... :-)
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09:54<gorna>well I cannot get the video, maybe issue with flashplayer so I found this 4Mb http://www.archive.org/download/ace_200907_03/bc9abcfc68c9c272782a4f86af8631d8.mts-mp430-272.MP4
09:54<gorna>can you test it and tell me your cpu usage with mplayer ?
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09:56<gorna>I got ~50-60% :(
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09:56<Nemoder>I get an average of 5% cpu usage with vdpau
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09:57<gorna>is it normal that I have 40% of usag cpu by doing nothing ? gnome shell takes 36 cpu and iceweasel 12, why ??
09:58<ksk>are you running a raspberry pi? ;)
09:58<gorna>lol seriously I don't understand
09:58<Nemoder>gorna: what graphics card and driver?
09:58<gorna>driver vesa rs780
09:59<Nemoder>I'm gonna guess that would be why
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09:59<gorna>sorry what do you mean ?
10:00<gorna>$ lspci -nn | grep VGA
10:00<gorna>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS780L [Radeon HD 3000] [1002:9616]
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10:01<Nemoder>!radeon
10:01<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
10:02<gorna>I did this https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Identification
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10:03<gorna>$ glxinfo | grep render
10:03<gorna>direct rendering: Yes
10:03<gorna>OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics
10:03<gorna> GL_KTX_buffer_region, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_conditional_render,
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10:04<gorna>sorry for this
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10:04<saemchou>why is everyone here?
10:06<bigjust>saemchou: this is a debian support channel
10:06<Nemoder>from what I hear amd drivers still aren't very effecient, but it really does sound like all your apps are waiting on the cpu to do all the rendering work
10:07<gorna>yes exactely because look I tried this command glxgears -info and the frames are ~2100fps but my usage cpu is 80+%
10:08<gorna>considering it's an APU so gpu integrated to CPU, what do I see when I do top ? usage cpu only or usage cpu+gpu both ? not sure
10:08<Nemoder>maybe fglrx would work better? I really dont know enough about amd drivers
10:08<gorna>I think im using proprietary drivers
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10:09<gorna>yes I am, so it should work fine
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10:09<gorna>should I consider using free driver ?
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10:10<Nemoder>it can't be any worse :P
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10:12<gorna>ok but your opinion is that amd graphics drivers are not well supported on debian and nvidia drivers are better ?
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10:14<Nemoder>I just dont know enough about amd
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10:14<Nemoder>I hear some people have it working well
10:14<Nemoder>but maybe it depends on the model
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10:17<gorna>yes maybe I don't know but I have to find out because I do want to install debian on my main computer i5 3330 with HD7850
10:17<gorna>I wanna quit windows but if my graphic card is not well supported it will be very bad for me
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10:19<Nemoder>well you can always dual-boot for awhile to test things out, or maybe somebody else here has more knowledge on how to troubleshoot it
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10:21<gorna>yes but actually I have 3 hdds and I want to make a big /home with lvm so I'll need to format all my partitions but I'm seeking if someone is having problems with hd7850
10:22<blast007>the 7850 is a southern islands card and that is not yet well supported by the open drivers
10:23<gorna>what about proprietary drivers ?
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10:25<gorna>blast007: my graphics are Integrated ATI Radeon 3000 on this motherboard M4A78LT-M LE, are open drivers well supported ?
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10:29<trico>the 3000 should work well. i swore off catalyst years ago when all it did was fsck things up, *maybe* it has improved
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10:30<gorna>!ati
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10:30<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
10:30<Calinou>blast007: except if you use 3.11 + DPM
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10:30<Calinou>Nemoder: fglrx 2D accel sucks, even more than nvidia's
10:31<Calinou>the open source drivers outperform the proprietary ones at 2D accel
10:31<Calinou>but not at 3D accel (except in very rare cases)
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10:31<Nemoder>gorna: ^
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10:31<gorna>?
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10:32<Nemoder>what Calinou said
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10:41<AgentC>giana sisters sound rules !
10:42<AgentC>required when waiting for a terrabyte transfer from a debian server. :-)
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10:44<AgentC>next time i am playing "my heart will go on" ;-9
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10:45<AgentC>i am wainting since 20 hours for recover my data by network copiing that data
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10:47<AgentC>shit badblock-repairing. this is critical when you have to save your data somewhere but less on storage-possiblities.
10:47<AgentC>hmpf! ;-)
10:47<AgentC>shit happens
10:48<gorna>well I reinstalled ati drivers from the amd website and despite I improved my FPS from 2100 to 2400 fps, I still have high cpu using while watching videos
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10:50<trico>videos or FLASH videos?
10:51<gorna>videos, h264, xvid, etc
10:52<gorna>material acceleration is enabled though, I guess I cannot do anything since its an integrated graphics
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10:54<gorna>what is you cpu usage with 1 tab opened in iceweasel ?
10:54<gorna>I got like 12-14% with a static webpage I don't understand why
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11:05<Nemoder>gorna: you can try pasting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you think something is messed up but again it could just be poor drivers
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11:08<AgentC>winsen: HI!
11:09<Cyd>jo dudes
11:09<Cyd>sup?
11:09<AgentC>supe a la creme de mare ?
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11:09<musca>Cyd: happy 20!
11:09<Cyd>I need your help ;-) I detected a hard disk error in a software raid
11:09<Cyd>uhhh happy birthdayyyyyy
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11:09<Cyd>yai yai
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11:10<AgentC>Oui monsior, ce tre bien
11:10<AgentC>;-) still waiting for copyprocess is finished
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11:10*AgentC is getting nervous, takes too long
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11:11<Cyd>haha
11:11<AgentC>Cyd: welcome to the club, i've some kind of that problem, but since longer time
11:11<Cyd>yeah
11:11<Cyd>I wanna buy a new server anyway
11:11<AgentC>Cyd: but dunno, it is software or hardware failure.
11:11<Cyd>and I need to do backups now
11:11<Cyd>hardware
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11:12<Cyd>smartctl says it's a critical failure
11:12<Cyd>the hdd will crash within 24 hours
11:12<Cyd>ahaha
11:12<Cyd>you wanna see the log?
11:12<AgentC>Cyd: at best, if you have alternative storages, make a imagefile of that discs to beware of data loose
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11:12<Cyd>yeah I'm on the backup now
11:13<Cyd>which tool is the best for a image?
11:13<Cyd>dd?
11:13<gelos>when doing a live build, where does the iso file get saved ?
11:13<Cyd>duplicity?
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11:13<AgentC>Cyd: you know, either "cat /dev/xxxx > filepathandname" or "dd if=/dev/xxx of=file_path_and_name"
11:14<AgentC>Cyd: save that image before you trying to repair
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11:14<Cyd>ok
11:14<Cyd>can I save it directly to my backup space?
11:14<AgentC>Cyd: depends on, that you have another storage which is big enough for that disksize, have you ?
11:14<Cyd>I have 100gb of backup disk space
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11:15<Cyd>the hdd is ca 300gb big
11:15<Cyd>will the image be compressed?
11:15<Cyd>bc I only use ca. 22gb of the disk space
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11:16<Cyd>I may just rent another server with 3tb disk space. I wanna get rid of the old server anyways.
11:16<AgentC>Cyd: maybe any other have ideas to make compressing possible while saving a hole discstream as file. i dont know how that could work. maybe by using pipes at commandline
11:16<Cyd>ok
11:16<Cyd>I will try to make a tar backup first
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11:17<AgentC>you could try (i dunno that works) :
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11:18<AgentC>tar like normal with tar but instead of source-filename , use the device name like /dev/xxxx
11:18<AgentC>just an idea, no warranty.
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11:19<AgentC>kilelme: Hi Nerd! :-)
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11:19<kilelme>AgentC: hi too.. long time no see you
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11:25<Endoril>Bonjour
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11:26<Endoril>A priori /sys/class/leds/ n'existe plus sous Debian 7, ya til un autre moyen de changer l'état des LED du frontpanel ?
11:26<Endoril>Par avance, merci
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11:30<Apollo>!fr
11:30<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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11:31<AgentC>that means that Endoril searching for
11:31<AgentC>a possiblity to change the LED panel on the frontside in debian 7
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11:35<Endoril>AgentC thank you, i confirm : i want to change LED status on from panel from Debian7 but the path /sys/class/leds/ does not exist anymore
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11:35<Endoril>front panel
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11:39<AgentC>Endoril: hm, I have no expirience with it. sorry. maybe some other professionals here know about.
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11:42<AgentC>babilen: do you know about Endoril's desire ?
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11:44<babilen>AgentC: What?
11:44<babilen>AgentC: I haven't said a single word in this channel for quite some time and am working. What can I do for you?
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11:46<babilen>Ah, I see ... Please don't highlight me unnecessarily. Thank you.
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11:46<AgentC>babilen: Endoril asked for changing LED-Frontpanel states, but he cant find something in his system (debian 7)
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11:47<AgentC>babilen: maybe he is using translator, (french person)
11:48<AgentC>babilen: sorry if I disturbed you
11:48<AgentC>babilen: but you are one of the rar people which could know that.
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11:51<babilen>AgentC: Yes, but I prefer to be able to work without being highlighted in random channels unnecessarily. Please don't do that.
11:51<Endoril>AgentC : im not using a translator, my english is naturally weird
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11:52<Endoril>babilen: sorry its my fault, he just want to help
11:52<Endoril>my mistake
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11:53<babilen>Endoril: It's not your fault. I am quite active in this channel, just not right now and very much dislike it if people "summon" me just because they think I know an answer.
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11:54<babilen>So, but lets drop this metadiscussion to give people a chance to actually help you.
11:54<Endoril>;)
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11:58<Dumle29>Hello, anyone in here who has any experience with sendmail?
11:58<Dumle29>and it hanging when you try to send a mail?
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12:06<AgentC>Endoril: when nothing helps, just strungle google until it says a result to you.
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12:10<Dumle29>Never mind, figured it out. Aparrenyl it's rather anal about it's hostname
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12:10<Dumle29>aparrently*
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12:24<stderr>I have submitted a short story about Debians birthday to /. In case anyone cares, you can vote on it here: http://slashdot.org/submission/2883007/happy-birthday-debian
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12:31<decede>stderr: you should have added a link to debconf
12:32<stderr>D'oh! I knew I forgot something!
12:32<stderr>Put it in a comment...
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12:56<azyr>Rydekull: thanks for the tip, I'll check that out... Actually Lenovos are my favorite
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13:01<massimo>ma oggi piuttosto!?? Auguri Debian!
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13:02<massimo>sorry wrong chan!
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13:02<Borgbox1>happy birthday debian
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13:17<gorna>hello, what application do you advise to merge 2 pdf ? I see there are gs and pdftk
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13:18<ksk>there are a lot of *pdf toolkits
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13:18<ksk>dont know any, sorry :P
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13:18<gorna>k so debian does not have one by default ?
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13:23<gorna>awesome !! pdfunite is installed by default on wheezy, it's simple and does what I want. I think I will install Debian on my main computer I really do like it
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13:24<winsen>AgentC: Hi my friend
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13:25<david>hola
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13:31<Feveth>Vectra VLi8. Rage IIc PCI (Mach64) graphics card. Hours of sifting through help on the net. Installed firmware-linux-nonfree, checked for presence of xserver-xorg-video-mach64, and present it is. However, I ran into a problem: For some reason, I can not set my installation to use the driver I isntalled for it (and instead falls back to VESA); I got no xorg.conf and no 10-monitor.conf: What's up wi
13:31<Feveth>with that?
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13:32<Guest3559>hello everyone
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13:33<Feveth>Turns out I need them to somehow set the driver, unless there's an utility or somesuch. I also ran into a broken package that apt-get -f won't fix for some reason.
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13:34<Feveth>Xorg -configure generates an error; "Screen number does not match the number of detected devices".
13:34<stderr>Feveth: http://paste.debian.net/ Otherwise it's hard to tell what's wrong.
13:34<Feveth>Moment.
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13:35<Feveth>Just states "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." upon trying to apt-get install any package.
13:36<Feveth>That's the only thing it gives me besides standard apt-get install output.
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13:37<stderr>Feveth: apt-get -f
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13:37<Feveth>Which, in the case of the example install of xchat that I was going to use on the old thing to report this error.is two unmet dependencies, namely libpython2.6 and libperl5.10.
13:37<Feveth>I tried apt-get -f.
13:37<Feveth>No dice.
13:37<Feveth>Tried it five times.
13:38<Feveth>apt-get f just throws up help.
13:38<Feveth>apt-get -f install puts up nothing besides, well, apt-get install output.
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13:39<Feveth>Package list read, dependency tree build, state information read and package stats (upgrades, new installs, removals, not upgraded)
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13:39<Feveth>Then it just throws me back to bash.
13:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 614] by debhelper
13:40<Feveth>Seems to be ignoring-f.
13:40<Feveth>Running this from a terminal, Debian 7.1.0 Wheezy.
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13:40<Feveth>Insige Gnome. Terminal is running as root.
13:40<Feveth>Inside*
13:41<ImageJPEG>probably the wrong place to ask this but i'm running a debian stable server with nfs, smb, and ftp. i'm using vsftp for the ftp server. i've got everything pretty much figured out execpt when i browse with filezilla, i can view the whole drive. for example, i want the destination folder to be "/server/FTP", how do i set it up so i can't view anything above the FTP folder
13:41<stderr>Feveth: You could try with aptitude instead, but I doubt it'll change much.
13:41<Feveth>Aptitude what?
13:41<Feveth>As in, what options.
13:41<stderr>-f
13:42<stderr>Or you could read the manpage...
13:42<rd71>what a fuck is this? I can't understand anything
13:42<stderr>rd71: Debian support channel...
13:42<Feveth>Throws me into Aptitude. Doesn't do a thing.
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13:42<rd71>what support can I get from this?
13:43<Supaplex>rd71: see http://www.debian.org for what we are using here
13:43<stderr>rd71: You can get Debian support. Are you running Debian?
13:43<rd71>I'm running Ubuntu
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13:44<Feveth>Wait. May have done something...
13:44<Feveth>Faulty apt-get?
13:44<Feveth>Nope.
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13:44<Feveth>Did nothing.
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13:45<stderr>dpkg: Tell rd71 about ubuntu
13:46<Feveth>Any ideas?
13:46<stderr>Feveth: Do you know which package it consider to be broken?
13:46<Feveth>No.
13:46<Feveth>It does not even specify a package name.
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13:48<Feveth>All it says is "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
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13:48<stderr>Both apt-get and aptitude says that? No ideas then...
13:48<rd71>I'm new to linux operating systems. I would like to know more thing about this.I think ubuntu is better than windows
13:48<stderr>!ubuntu
13:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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13:49<rd71>thanks
13:49<Feveth>Aptitude doesn'taAptitude doesn't say it.
13:49<Feveth>Whoops,.
13:49<rd71>wt?
13:50<Feveth>Well. Moment.
13:51<Feveth>Aptitude is completly silent after saying nothing will be installed, upgraded or removed.
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13:54<Feveth>Hmm.
13:54<Feveth>Ut's spitting null version numbers at me.
13:54<Feveth>For just about every package.
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13:56<Feveth>Wait, uh.
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13:56<Feveth>Not nul version numbers, but null repository names. Namely: (<NULL>, now)
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13:58<bellatrix>Hello Guys
13:59<stderr>Hi.
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14:00<Feveth>www.pastebin.com/3YeBuqGr
14:01<bellatrix>How i install backtrack tools on debian 6
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14:01<stderr>bellatrix: Such as?
14:01<Feveth>bellatrix: apt-get might be of help.
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14:02<Feveth>I'm gonna bet this is one of these problems Stallman couldn't fix.
14:02<stderr> libperl5.10 : Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.1-17squeeze5) but 5.14.2-21 is installed.
14:02<stderr>You're not running Wheezy?
14:02<Feveth>I am running Wheezy.
14:03<Feveth>It set itself to Squeeze repos for some reason.
14:03<stderr>Can you put your sources.list on paste.debian.net? (not pastebin, please)
14:03<Feveth>Sure. Moment.
14:03<Feveth>If you randomly see command lines, don't be surprised, having two keyboards infront of me is confusing.
14:05<Feveth>Might have identified a problem.
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14:06<bellatrix>such as ? metasploit
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14:07<Feveth>paste.debian.net/25973
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14:08<Feveth>Sidenote: wiki/IrcClients: wThe link to web-irc.org is dead.
14:09<stderr>Line 20...
14:09<Feveth>Exactly what I was thinking.
14:09<Feveth>I'll ring in a few moments.
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14:10<stderr>If possible, you should probably change line 18 to wheezy too.
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14:10<stderr>bellatrix: Sorry, I don't know.
14:11<bellatrix>No problem stderr
14:11<bellatrix>i just ask -
14:12<bellatrix>^_0
14:12<Feveth>Waiting on a 450MHz Pentium 3 sure is fun.
14:13<Feveth>Bellatrix: apt-get might help with some of these.
14:13<Feveth>And, well, Debian multimedia sources (maybe). I know though that hte PPA repositories contain at least a few.
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14:14<Feveth>If it isn't mission critical, installing Backtrack besides or instead of Debian might be a better idea.
14:15<Feveth>Idea r (not really ideal, but eh) is installing it off Backtrack's CD.
14:15<stderr>!ppa
14:15<dpkg>[ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>.
14:15<Feveth>Idea 3*
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14:16<Th3Bl4ckSh4rk-344>Bonjour
14:16<Th3Bl4ckSh4rk-344>:)
14:16<Th3Bl4ckSh4rk-344>Quelqu'un ?
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14:16<bellatrix>Feveth:I have tried apt-get , but to no avail
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14:16<stderr>!fr
14:16<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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14:17<Feveth>Hey stderr. Changing line 20 to wheezy seems to have solved the packages problem, which leaves the driver problem still.
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14:18<Feveth>Bellatrix: Darn. Well, is installing Backtrack itself an option?
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14:19<Feveth>If I were you, I'd do that.
14:19<Feveth>Nmap/XHydra/some tools are available on less "secret" repositories though. As I said, I found these on PPA at least.
14:20<stderr>I would avoid PPA on Debian.
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14:21<vans>Hi I am new here
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14:23<Feveth>Yeah, avoiding PPA on Debian is a good idea.
14:23<Feveth>Crossing repos isn't good in general. Not unless your beer is made of errors.
14:24<Feveth>Or if you're out-of-your-mind crazy with working that computer.
14:24<Feveth>But, stderr. Xchat is up.
14:24<Feveth>Where's the config files stoed by default?
14:24<Feveth>stored*
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14:26<Feveth>First time setup gives me alternative names to use that I forgot to fill, and preferences on the graphical isn't giving a thing.
14:27<Feveth>Well, screw that for now. Locking my Windows computer and hopping over.
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14:28<Feveth>And back.
14:28<Feveth>On the Vectra this time.
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14:31<Feveth>So, where should the 10-monitor.conf be located?
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14:31<Feveth>I ran over many counts of deprecation and many locations.
14:31<Feveth>What is wrong and what is right?
14:32<Feveth> /etc, /usr/share, xorg.conf, 10-monitor.conf.
14:33<Feveth>Also useful would be X11 install location for the driver for the onboard Matrox G200 card.
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14:38<stderr>Feveth: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ would be my guess.
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14:38<Feveth>Moment.+
14:38<Feveth>Tossed in gparted for management, waiting on term to finish apt-get.
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14:40<Feveth>Stable = Wheezy, am I right?
14:40<stderr>At the moment, yes.
14:41<kakemo>sup guys which os?
14:41<Feveth>Then your comment about line 18 is wrong: Already set to stable, which means Wheezy.
14:41<Feveth>kakemo: Read channel name.
14:41<stderr>Feveth: At the moment... It would be later.
14:41*kakemo commit a sucide
14:42<stderr>You want to change it to wheezy (if possible) so _you_ decide when those packages are updated.
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14:43<Feveth>Yeah, I understand, but don't know Skype's repo structure so unsure if it contains version names.
14:43<Feveth>But.
14:43<Feveth>There's no 10-monitor.conf here.
14:43<Feveth>Ideas?
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14:43<stderr>Create it...
14:44<Feveth>Alright.
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14:45<Feveth>Created.
14:47<Feveth>Next?
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14:51<stderr>Feveth: Then you probably want to restart the X-server to use the new config.
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14:52<Feveth>Um.
14:52<Feveth>It's empty.
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14:52<stderr>Who told you about that config file? Didn't they tell you want to put in it?
14:52<Feveth>Uh.
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14:53<Feveth>I just looked stuff up on Google.+
14:53<Feveth>Tried to find a way to generate the config.
14:53<Feveth>So it would put in settings without the chance of errors and fuckups. Turns out there's no such util or script.+
14:53<Feveth>But yeah.
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14:58<Feveth>What should I put in there?
14:59<stderr>I don't know what problem you're trying to solve.
14:59<stderr>Normally, you don't need an X config.
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14:59<Feveth>It won't set my monitor to the native 1680x1050.
14:59<azyr>is apt-get dist-upgrade safe? :) am i going to blow up my computer now?
15:00<Feveth>Nor is the card's 3D capability enabled.
15:00<Feveth>I'm trying to make it run on the driver that I installed for that card instead of Vesa.
15:00<azyr>i have "testing" version set as the highest priority for everything on /etc/apt/preferences file
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15:04<stderr>Feveth: I don't know... :-/
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15:07<Feveth>darn.
15:09<Feveth>Uh.
15:09<Feveth>I'll hang around.
15:10<Feveth>Basically: How do I change my video driver with an inexistent 10-monitor.conf, or, how do I create one, set it up and use it?
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15:23<mdik>Feveth: aren't there example files if you websearch for "monitor.conf", "xorg" or the like?
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15:29<Feveth>No examples I can find.
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15:33<stderr>Feveth: The name of that file can be anything you want. You must have gotten the "10-monitor.conf" name from somewhere. Didn't they tell you want to put in that file?
15:34<stderr>Otherwise you'll have to read man xorg.conf yourself.
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15:38<Feveth>No.
15:38<Feveth>All I know is, it should store monitor settings stuff.
15:39<Feveth>And I don't have any xorg.conf.
15:39<Supaplex>modelines are so 2002
15:39<Feveth>I tried Xorg -configure, but it returned an error: "The number of screens does not match the number of devices detected."
15:39<Feveth>Or something like that.
15:39<Feveth>To which I need help if I am to generate a Xorg config.
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15:41<azyr>i can't upgrade my debian with apt-get dist-upgrade because i have some corrupt packages
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15:41<azyr>how do i remove those corrupt packages?
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15:42<Supaplex>vote them out of office
15:42<Supaplex>apt-get remote, or aptitude remove <pkg> ...
15:42<azyr>http://pastebin.com/uksbnuXy
15:42<Supaplex>s/remote/remove/
15:42<azyr>that is the error i got when running apt-get dist-upgrade
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15:44<azyr>cant remove those
15:45<azyr>"dependency problems - leaving unconfigured"
15:45<blubberdiblub>azyr, have you tried what it suggests in the top 3 lines?
15:45<azyr>"Sometimes, not accepting conffile updates in /etc/texmf/updmap.d
15:45<azyr>causes updmap-sys to fail. Please check for files with extension
15:45<azyr>.dpkg-dist or .ucf-dist in this directory" ?
15:45<blubberdiblub>yes, those lines
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15:46<azyr>i dont understand what it means
15:46<scientes>anyone know a module to cache curl requests
15:46<Supaplex>scientes: squid
15:46<azyr>blubberdiblub: am i supposed to delete t
15:47<blubberdiblub>azyr, does running that command return any files? find /etc/texmf/updmap.d/ -name '*-dist'
15:47<scientes>doesn't work for a client program su
15:47<scientes>but might help for debugging...
15:47<blubberdiblub>azyr, no, not delete. you have to move the dist files to the proper names overwriting the old files
15:47<Supaplex>scientes: well, export http_proxy="127.0.0.1:3128"; curl ...
15:47<scientes>i'm using curl from C
15:48<Supaplex>scientes: I don't recall if curl is smart enough, but that's generally how programs will learn their proxy.
15:48<scientes>but yeah i'll do that for development
15:48<scientes>what i've got worked a little, but its slow as balls
15:48<azyr>blubberdiblub: i dont have directory called /etc/texmf/updmap.d
15:48<scientes>i'm pulling sources.debian.net sources into gdb automatically
15:48<scientes>its pretty cool
15:49<Supaplex>scientes: what are you trying to do with curl anyhow? cool. any git sources?
15:49<blubberdiblub>azyr, well, then i don't know, sorry
15:49<Supaplex>scientes: I can't promise anything, but I do get curious at random times. :)
15:49<that_guy>anyone use tt-rss from jessie? It throws a javascript error, but only in firefox
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15:50<Supaplex>scientes: why use curl, when you can use apt-get source ?
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15:54<azyr>hmm, i have no idea how to solve this
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15:59<Supaplex>azyr: I have one other place to look for some notes. Let me see if luck holds up. It's similar to confmiss
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16:02<azyr>it seems i managed to remove those packages
16:03<azyr>i just had to do it in right order
16:03<azyr>weird
16:03<Supaplex>azyr: well, short of my own google appliance, it's lost. It was someway to reconfigure mythtv after it lost its mysql mind (reconfigure from scratch)
16:03<Supaplex>ahh cool.
16:03<azyr>i had to remove tex-common first
16:03<azyr>otherwise nothing could get removed
16:03<azyr>after apt-get dist-upgrade do i need to reboot?
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16:05<Supaplex>if you want the new kernel, or new libraries for anything in memory
16:05<arun1>Hello, Am trying to install debian wheezy ( 7.1 ), My Ethernet Card is not detected. I have a Intel Gigabit Ethernet Driver.
16:05<Supaplex>I'd read the release notes, there's an upgrades and what to look out for in there
16:06<azyr>ok
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16:06<arun1>Is it still A bug with Debian ?
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16:09<musca>arun1: list your network hardware with: lspci -nn | grep -i net
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16:10<Supaplex>just need the pciid
16:10<Supaplex>!pciid
16:10<dpkg>The PCI ID helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI ID of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k".
16:12<arun1>musca : Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I217-LM
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16:14<musca>arun1: ^^ what dpkg said
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16:15<musca>!tell arun1 about I217
16:16<musca>you want a newer Kernel from backports
16:19<musca>arun1: Do you know about backports?
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16:31<musca>ping arun1
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16:47<arun1>musca: Sorry, I was not at desk.
16:47<musca>no problem
16:47<arun1>musca: Am doing a fresh install on a new Desktop.
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16:48<arun1>musca: During installation process, Am unable to proceed forward as Network Detection is failing.
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16:49<musca>i understand. From your info Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I217-LM i found:
16:49<musca>!I217
16:49<dpkg>I217 is a LAN on Motherboard (LOM) device available on systems with Intel's "Lynx Point" Platform Controller Hub (PCH) chipset. I217-LM (PCI ID 8086:153a) and I217-V (PCI ID 8086:153b) are supported by the <e1000e> driver since Linux 3.5. For device support on Debian 7 "Wheezy" systems, ask me about <bdo kernel>.
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16:50<arun1>musca : A list of drivers is provided by the installer, choosing e1000e doesnt help.
16:50<arun1>When I choose e1000e, it doesnt continue with the installation process.
16:50<musca>there is a newer driver in the newer kernel
16:51<musca>!bdo kernel
16:51<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
16:51<musca>Problem: you need network for the install procedure.
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16:52<arun1>is there anyway i can get those in a cd for installation.
16:53<musca>hmm, i look at it.
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17:05<musca>arun1: aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip - or -
17:05<musca>!apt offline
17:05<dpkg>To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>.
17:06<musca>arun1: both methods use another networked debian install.
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17:08<arun1>Thanks musca, I will give it a try. I have an archlinux installation. Will try to install a debian on virtual box and get to it. :)
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17:34<azyr>so the apt-get dist-upgrade did screw up things :(
17:34<azyr>now i cannot compile any of my old code
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17:34<azyr>cannot find -lGL
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17:35<azyr>there is no libGL.so file in /usr/lib
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17:37<azyr>i can only find one libGL.so file in /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so
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17:37<azyr>i'm using ati proprietary drivers
17:38<azyr>and distro is debian "testing"
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17:55<val_erie>Please can anyone unban me from freenode debian ? What did I do wrong ?
17:56<val_erie>Anyhow I have some questions about ProxyPass settings in apache - debian wheezy amd64
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17:57<dondelelcaro>val_erie: if you have questions about your ban, you can ask in #debian-ops on freenode.
17:57<dondelelcaro>val_erie: but regarding your apache question, just ask your question
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18:00<val_erie>dondelelcaro: let me get back to it, I am trying to run debian wheezy with apache webserver and gunicorn django mezzaninecms or django-cms, I just got a lot of stoppers, I need a bit of a break now - will come back with more concrete questions, however I thank you for being nice
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18:03<val_erie>dondelelcaro, I went to debian-ops and ask for forgiveness (though I do not know my sins) and asked to be let back to debian, I have seen your name, maybe you can allow me in ?
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18:43<Feveth>Anyone here knows how to change video driver from Vesa to a legacy ATI driver (firmware-linux-nonfree)?
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18:45<vook>How can I prevent a service from starting during install via aptitude. I'm installing dhcp on a system, but I can't let it come online immediately. Even if up for a few seconds, it could kill NIS hosts.
18:46<musca>!fglrx legacy dkms
18:46<dpkg>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" systems. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> (also include contrib and non-free). «aptitude update && aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` && aptitude -r -t wheezy-backports install fglrx-legacy-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart to enable <radeon> blacklist.
18:46<musca>^ Feveth
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18:47<Feveth>FGLRX covers Mach64?
18:47<musca>Ermm, no
18:47<Feveth>That's what I have.
18:48<Feveth>I've been told firmware-linux-nonfree is good for that.
18:48<Feveth>Got a problem configuring xorg (Xorg -configure)
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18:48<Feveth>Turns up "The number of screens does not match the number of detected devices" or something similar.
18:49<Feveth>Routed through the internet and nothing.
18:49<Feveth>So I came here for a last resort.
18:49<Feveth>Any ideas?
18:49<musca>you are running wheezy?
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18:52<musca>,info xserver-xorg-video-ati
18:52<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-ati (x11, optional) in wheezy/i386: X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI display driver wrapper. Version: 1:6.14.4-8; Size: 268.9k; Installed: 329k
18:53<musca>This package provides the 'ati' driver for the AMD/ATI Mach64, Rage128, Radeon, FireGL, FireMV, FirePro and FireStream series. This driver is actually a wrapper that loads one of the 'mach64', 'r128' or 'radeon' sub-drivers depending on the hardware.
18:54<musca>!xorg.conf
18:54<dpkg>From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>.
18:55<chealer>Feveth: which legacy ATI driver?
18:56<musca>Feveth: why doesn't your xserver automatically run the apropriate driver? Did you insert a device section for vesa in your xorg.conf?
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19:03<musca>Feveth: please upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net
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19:05<cogito>Can anyone help me with this error? /dev/disk/by-id/: Is a directory
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19:12<Supaplex>cogito: what are you doing to see that error?
19:13<cogito>Has su, liloconfig and then /sbin/lilo just as it says to do
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19:14<cogito>But then i tried to install some packages with Synaptic and it failed for the same Fatal error
19:14<Supaplex>cogito: is this Debian old-stable, stable, or something else?
19:15<cogito>Debian Wheezy in virtualbox on winXP
19:16<Supaplex>it's gotta be in bts by now (or you can use grub instead)
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19:23<Supaplex>cogito: yo.
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19:24<cogito>http://paste.debian.net/26043/
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19:25<Feveth>I don't have no xorg.conf.
19:25<Cyd>jo
19:25<Cyd>sup?
19:26<Supaplex>cogito: it looks like a bug in lilo. see http://bugs.debian.org/lilo
19:26<Feveth>I'll toss the log though. Moment.
19:26<Supaplex>Feveth: that's a double negative. so ... what about xorg.conf? ;)
19:26<Cyd>jo guys dumb question
19:26<Feveth>I do not have xorg.conf.
19:27<Cyd>if I start a backup script in the ssh shell, will it coninue when I logout?
19:27<Cyd>continue
19:27<Supaplex>Cyd: use screen, or nohup
19:27<Cyd>hmm?
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19:28<Cyd>sorry I didn't get that
19:28<Supaplex>Cyd: if you logout, it'll probably die.
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19:31<Feveth>http://paste.debian.net/26045/ Tah.
19:31<Feveth>These are vanilla configs.
19:32<Cyd>ok thx
19:32<stderr>Feveth: You don't normally need an xorg.conf
19:32<Cyd>what does >/dev/null 2>&1 mean?
19:33<Feveth>Well.
19:33<Feveth>I can't change the display driver to something other than Vesa.
19:33<Feveth>Even if that driver is present on the system.
19:33<stderr>Cyd: Send stdout to /dev/null... Send stderr to whatever stdout is now (i.e. /dev/null)
19:33<Supaplex>stderr would know. ;)
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19:34<stderr>Yes, I'm often at /dev/null :-)
19:34<cogito>Supaplex: The link is for dist=unstable and i don't know what to do with the page
19:34<Supaplex>I don't think 2>&1 would end up in /dev/null.
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19:34<Feveth>And it seems I can't Xorg -configure.
19:34<stderr>Supaplex: It would if you have >/dev/null in front of it.
19:34<Feveth>Because number of screen does not match number of devices.
19:35<stderr>Feveth: Did you read the man page like I suggested hours ago?
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19:35<rodriguezguzman>Hello
19:35<stderr>Hi.
19:35<rodriguezguzman>sorry for the interrput
19:35<Feveth>I don't know if this has something to do with one monitor and two cards, or me being stupid. For reasons of foolproofing, I did remove the second card, using the onboard only and try again and yet again told me number mismatch. And no, I got a guest over and forgot about reading that manpage.
19:35<Feveth>Which manpage was it again?
19:35<rodriguezguzman>i have a silly cuestion
19:35<stderr>man xorg.conf
19:35<stderr>!ask
19:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:35<Feveth>Aye.
19:36<rodriguezguzman>how can i put multiples accounts to be accesed by multiples monitors
19:36-!-zerick [~eocrospom@190.187.21.53] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
19:36<rodriguezguzman>imagine that i want to have 4 monitor by my pc
19:36<rodriguezguzman>every one with one mouse and keyboard
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19:37<Feveth>Wait. 1283 lines?
19:37<stderr>rodriguezguzman: man xorg.conf would probably be a good place to start.
19:37<stderr>Feveth: 1677 here...
19:37<Feveth>I really don't feel like reading 1283 lines, but it turns out I must to get this working.
19:37<rodriguezguzman>ok thanks!
19:37<Supaplex>rodriguezguzman: you want to treat each monitor,mouse and keyboard as its own station?
19:37<Feveth>I'm starting to think installing Debian was a mistake after all.
19:38<stderr>Feveth: I think most of the other distros are using xorg too...
19:39<Feveth>Of course they are.
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19:39<Feveth>But I know Ubuntu to be appropriately friendly.
19:39<Feveth>Unlike most other distros, Debian included.
19:40<Cyd>I wanna do use this backup script. do think it's ok? http://paste.debian.net/26046/ And this is my exclude file: http://paste.debian.net/26047/
19:40<cogito>Feveth: WHAT! Ubuntu and friendly
19:40<devil_>Feveth: i have seen you getting help her for hours today. so that you call unfriendly?
19:40<devil_>s/her/here
19:40<stderr>Feveth: You're trying to run at 1680x1050, right?
19:41<Cyd>isn't ubuntu based on debian?
19:41<Cyd>;-)
19:41<Feveth>Correct.
19:41<cogito>Cyd: Debian unstable
19:42<stderr>Can you read line 335 of http://paste.debian.net/26045/ for me?
19:42<devil_>cogito: not exactly
19:42<Feveth>Communities of both are good. However, software quality and overall sanity of said software varies.
19:42<Feveth>I hate Debian for its lack of it, and love Ubuntu for its abundance of it.
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19:42<Cyd>hmm
19:43<Supaplex>bugs will be bugs.
19:43<devil_>Feveth: software quality of debian is far more reliable than ubuntu. even debian unstable is more stable than that
19:43<cogito>I feel sick
19:43<Cyd>I've never used ubuntu as a server instance
19:43<stderr>Cyd: I have... :-(
19:43<Feveth>I can read line 335 quite good.
19:43<stderr>Not my choice. :-(
19:43<Cyd>almost all servers I've worked with were Debian
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19:44<Feveth>Whick pokes at me that it seems to be detecting VRAM incorrectly.
19:44<Cyd>maybe you should install macosx
19:44<Cyd>hahaha just kidding ;)
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19:44<Feveth>And, well. Whenever I bring up Debian, I run into trouble, crashes or just headache. Whenever I bring up Ubuntu, it just works. Except in the Vectra's case, which may be because the BIOS of this old machine is not really DVD friendly.
19:45<Feveth>I've set 1680x1050 on this exact card before.
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19:45<Cyd>maybe ubuntu uses closed sourced drivers
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19:46<Feveth>It does.
19:46<Cyd>and debian open source drivers which are not that good
19:46<Feveth>And it's a whole lot friendlier about them.
19:46<Feveth>But it's not the only problem I've ran into.
19:46-!-UCC [~unknown@2001:41b8:203:dc13:76e5:43ff:feb4:9d96] has joined #debian
19:46<Feveth>Debian is much more basic and, well. Too unarmed for my taste.
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19:47*devil_ raises an eyebrow
19:47<stderr>Feveth: Have you read the log file?
19:47<Cyd>debian is a rare stone you need to carved for your needs
19:47<cogito>I need help with http://paste.debian.net/26043
19:47<Cyd>;-)
19:47<cogito>I think it might have to do with Debian being in Virtualbox
19:48<devil_>cogito: lilo? damn, forgot all about that for years
19:48<Cyd>ubuntu is just preconfigured to work for the average user out of the box… I think
19:48<Feveth>Ubuntu is good. It comes preloaded with a crapton of stuff and gigacraptons more available on that. Not what everyone wants, but fine with me to have software, just like your little friend system32 on Windows. I did take a quick peek at it yeah.
19:48<Feveth>Uh.
19:48<stderr>cogito: Can you post your lilo.conf too?
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19:48<cogito>stderr: sure, how?
19:48<Feveth>Vectra is not a Virtualbox derivative. It's a physical machine sitting on my desk that's way quieter than my FX-8150 with the stock cooler.
19:49<Supaplex>cogito: same site. add new paste
19:49<Supaplex>Make new paste, actually
19:49<stderr>"paste new"... :-)
19:49<Cyd>do you guys even sleep?
19:49<Cyd>;-)
19:49<stderr>No.
19:49<Supaplex>What's sleep?
19:49<cogito>Supaplex: That i know, it's the getting to the file i was asking about
19:49<stderr>sleep(1)
19:50<Feveth>Computer designed for office and US military and is quite freaking reliable since it's from '99, saw constant usage up until about 2008 and has been used quite some by me since then and is still kicking with semi-passive cooling on a Pentium 3 450MHz.
19:50<Supaplex>I know my pc has it. but it sounds contagious.
19:50<stderr>sleep - delay for a specified amount of time
19:50<Cyd>omg
19:50<Cyd>so you nap on your computer chair?
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19:51<Supaplex>Feveth: I have thin clients that run faster than that (14w a piece) :)
19:51<Feveth>Sleep: An act of rest that aliens and cowards do to be able to face the next day, which serves as an excuse to say "Fuck this, fuck that, fuck you, I'm out, see you when I can get my butt back off the comfy mattress of laziness, which will be tomorrow." They repeat this every single day of their lives.
19:51<Feveth>I got this case free from school.
19:51<Feveth>Said it didn't work.
19:51<Feveth>First thing it did when I pressed the button on it was work.
19:51<Cyd>Feveth I love sleep
19:51<Supaplex>haha nice.
19:52<Cyd>I don't wanna die early ;-)
19:52<Feveth>I just about lost my butt laughing when that educated system admin had not gotten it to work when all she had to do was connect the cable into the power supply.
19:52<Cyd>lol
19:52<Feveth>I've said this, and will say it again: It's never the simple things.
19:53<Cyd>try the ocram razor
19:53<Feveth>Similar shit for an Optiplex GX270 I got from college. System admin said it was busted, just like the Vectra was supposed to be.
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19:53<Cyd>and cut everything complex out
19:53<Cyd>wooot? a gx270?
19:54<Feveth>Started it up. Five mins, shuts down. Restart. Temp warning. Change cooling cream on processor and not a single overheat.
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19:54<cogito>Cyd: Arcam's razor?
19:54<Feveth>Yes, a GX270 with over 80k hours registered.
19:54<Feveth>I want to put it into action as a server or something and run it past the 100k mark.
19:55<cogito>stderr: How do i get to the lilo.conf file to copy it?
19:55<Cyd>you could run a fine and nice node.js server on it
19:55<Cyd>;-)
19:55<stderr>cogito: cat /etc/lilo.conf
19:55<Feveth>I'm planning to use both the Vectra and Optiplex for servers.
19:55<stderr>It's just a text file.
19:55<Feveth>The Vectra will most likely become a file server.
19:55<Cyd>no Ockhams razor
19:55<Feveth>I however want a SATA controller for PCI for a SATA drive.
19:56<Feveth>This shit has IDE in it. 'Course, it's '99.+
19:56<Cyd>or occam's razor
19:57<Feveth>Came into my hands with only one hard drive (10 GB, which Debian sits on now), no addon cards, stock processor (which it still has, not gonna change it), 64MB 67MHz (or whatever it was) SDRAM, a floppy drive and a crap CD drive.
19:57<Cyd>man I'm working with a server which hdds have a up of over 1800 days...
19:57<Cyd>ehh up time
19:57<Feveth>It has a bay for 3 CD drives though.
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19:58<Supaplex>which reminds me, I scored a 2x 4core xeon with 8 sata drives (raid 10) all because the alarm on the raid controller would not turn off. They had tape over it to muffle it. I assgned the replaced drive to a system wide spare, and bam, problem solved. 16gb of ram too.
19:58<Feveth>Planning to yoink one floppy bay from my school and use that for a hard drive bay for a SATA.
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19:58<Feveth>The hell was causing that assed alarm?
19:58<Cyd>Supaplex omg you lucky bastard
19:59<Cyd>ahaha raid 10
19:59<Supaplex>indeed. :)
19:59<Feveth>Oh, stories from the junkyard. 1 XP key, 1 set of speakers with 3D sound functionality (and magical sound quality), 2 2000 keys.
19:59<Feveth>But.
19:59<Feveth>What the hell was causing the alarm?
20:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 585] by debhelper
20:00<Supaplex>the spare wasn't assigned, and the previous drive (based on SN inventory) was pulled
20:00<Feveth>...
20:00<Feveth>I've totally lost hopes for the elder generation.
20:00<Feveth>Again.
20:01<Feveth>I'm a kid in this community. Seventeen and turning eighteen in September. I've lost just about any and all hope in any generation.
20:01<Feveth>Computers are considered much more meh than back then.
20:01<Cyd>Supaplex so not a very hard error to track down
20:01<Cyd>if you have a handbook for raids...
20:01<Cyd>LOL
20:01<Feveth>Just looked at by people as a computer, which will connect them to their Facebook and that's just about it.
20:01<Cyd>or the machine you were working wigh
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20:02<Feveth>Soon as it doesn't connect to the Facebook anymore, it's wrecked and they trash it.
20:02<Feveth>You can score quite big in junkyards.
20:02<Supaplex>the raid menu needs some work. I spent a lot of time trying to assign it to a specific raid set. No go. After I tried giving that drive as a system wide spare, win.
20:02<Cyd>Feveth most people don't have clue how computers work… all they know is google, Facebook, twitter and such
20:02<Feveth>I've always wanted to just loot every single case and mobo in there and make a gundam or someshit outta that.
20:02<Feveth>Exactly what I'm stating.
20:03<Feveth>It's just seen as a computer.
20:03<Feveth>As in, it's a magical box that lets me talk to that person in real time halfway across the world.
20:03<Cyd>na it's seen as something you can use… no need to understand
20:03<Feveth>Exactly the thing I am implying.
20:03<Feveth>Magical box with "unimportant" inner parts.
20:04<Feveth>The enthusiasm related to computers is just about gone.
20:04<Feveth>It pisses me off somewhat.
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20:04<Cyd>dude I researched how SVN worked today. and I found out that most developers don't even have a clue how a 20gb real source code results into a 300mb repository
20:04<Supaplex>I need a bumper sticker that says something like "I pay my bills in GEEK."
20:04<Cyd>lol
20:05<Feveth>I would like a bumper sticker. Something a little different, but eh.
20:05<Feveth>sudo kill roadrage
20:05<Cyd>I would like to have sticker: I heart GEEKs
20:05<Cyd>;-)
20:05<SamB>Cyd: I think you have your units wrong?
20:05<Cyd>Feveth lol
20:05<Cyd>SamB nope
20:06<Feveth>sudo make me a sandwich would be an option too.
20:06<SamB>or did you mean if take the code from every revision and lay it end to end
20:06<Feveth>Gotta show xkcd love.
20:06<Supaplex>his source is highly redundant, so it compresses well. ;)
20:06<stderr>alias sudo="echo make it yourself #"
20:06<Cyd>Supaplex correct
20:06<Feveth>Pff.
20:06-!-pixelpapst [~pixelpaps@80-83-50-80.wifi.dc13.debconf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:06<Cyd>and there some hardcore compassion algorithms in svn. plus it only saves deltas from the last revision
20:07<Cyd>so it's like DNA folded a million times
20:07<stderr>Like most version control systems...
20:07<Supaplex>Cyd: http://paste.debian.net/26057/ something like that? ;)
20:07<SamB>git doesn't do that
20:08<SamB>it stores deltas between whatever and whatever
20:08<Supaplex><banter> I'd get into modern revision control, but at the end of the day, I just don't "git" it.
20:08<Cyd>yeah we will change to git
20:08<cogito>http://paste.debian.net/26058
20:08<stderr>SamB: What can I say. git ain't like most VCS... :-)
20:09<Feveth>Eh. Anywhere I can retrieve info about the video card?
20:09<Cyd>stderr maybe I was mistaken with the numbers
20:09<Feveth>Or, does anyone know the xorg install dir which I need to install the Matrox driver?
20:09<Cyd>but it is significantly smaller than the working sources
20:09<stderr>cogito: You need to fix line 30 in that file.
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20:10<Feveth>The card does have 8MB VRAM.
20:10<Cyd>hmm
20:10<Cyd>I think 8MB VRAM does only support 1280x1024 max
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20:10<Feveth>I've ran 1680x1050 on this before.
20:10<Cyd>ah ok
20:10<Cyd>sorry
20:11<cogito>stderr: Ok, that's obviously the same as the error message, but how do i fix it?
20:11<Feveth>And, well.
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20:11<stderr>Cyd: 1280x1024 only uses 3.75MB.
20:12<stderr>cogito: As root: nano -w /etc/lilo.conf
20:12<Cyd>ok
20:12<Feveth>Considering it's IIc, it should be enhanced somehow above the normal II.
20:12<Cyd>guys could take a loot at this backup script? http://paste.debian.net/26046/
20:12<stderr>cogito: Ctrl+W Ctrl+T 30 <enter>
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20:12<Cyd>and the corresponding exclude file? http://paste.debian.net/26047/
20:12<Supaplex>I'm running into this on wheezy, http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch12.html#ts_usb-linux but these descriptions seem antiquated. I don't find the fstab or the domount for usb there.
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20:13<stderr>Cyd: I don't know duplicity, so I can't help you.
20:14<nadir>Supaplex: as a workaround i would use the mounted USB stick as a shared folder or simply use sshfs (assuming network is set to router,not nat)
20:14<cogito>stderr: ok i'm there
20:14<nadir>if you speak of a usb-stick at all
20:14<Feveth>And, eh. I have a Trident card down in the drawer, namely 9750. I've heard stuff about it being horrible beyond the definition because of a whole bucketton of bugs and stuff.
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20:15<stderr>cogito: When you're done editing, Ctrl+W Y
20:16<cogito>stderr: editing how? what is it supposed to say?
20:16<Feveth>Well. Would 1680x1050x16 help?
20:16-!-UCC [~unknown@2001:41b8:203:dc13:76e5:43ff:feb4:9d96] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:16<abbe>Hi, is there any channel for Debian GNU/kFreeBSD discussion?
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20:16<Feveth>I've read that it cuts down VRAM usage by a whole bucketton.
20:16<stderr>cogito: What partition is /boot ?
20:17<Feveth>So I'm wondering how I could set that.
20:17-!-dous [~dous@cm70.sigma70.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #debian
20:17<Feveth>Again, that would run me into the Xorg -configure problem.
20:17<stderr>!kfreebsd
20:18<dpkg>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are available as a technology preview, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
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20:18<stderr>abbe: The last part of what dpkg said...
20:18<SamB>stderr: and here I was googling it ... and finding the same channel
20:18<abbe>thanks!
20:18<stderr>SamB: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/search.php :-)
20:19<cogito>stderr: the virtual one?
20:19<SamB>what I did was google "kfreebsd irc" and then click on the link to http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
20:20<stderr>cogito: What do you mean?
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20:20<Feveth>Any way I can set color depth with an util/script?
20:20<cogito>stderr: I'm running Debian inside Virtualbox on winXP
20:20<Feveth>And then go to a higher res from there.
20:21<Cyd>jo can I backup mysql files while the db is in use?
20:21<stderr>cogito: Does Debian know it's running in a virtualbox?
20:21<cogito>stderr: As far a Debian is concerned, there's only one 8GB disk that it automatically partitioned itself.
20:22<cogito>stderr: That i don't know, but it does say virtualbox for some hardware
20:22<stderr>Then /boot might be /dev/sda1. I don't know how your system is configured...
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20:23<stderr>Cyd: man mysqldump
20:23<Feveth>And the driver is still Vesa.
20:23-!-lostson [~lostson@cpe-107-10-74-11.new.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
20:23<SamB>can't you cat /proc/mounts or something
20:23<Feveth>I want the driver I installed to run instead, and it isn't, and I've found no method to.
20:23<Cyd>stderr I did that already. I mean when the system is running can copy all the files?
20:23<stderr>Feveth: You can make a xorg.conf...
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20:24<stderr>Cyd: Don't try to copy the database files directly. It most likely won't work...
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20:25<stderr>Well, reading the files will probably work... The restore probably won't. :-(
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20:25<cogito>stderr: Isn't there a way to check the partition boot's on?
20:26<stderr>cogito: Yes, as SamB said.
20:26<Feveth>Uh.
20:26<Feveth>When I do Xorg -configure it errors.
20:26<Feveth>I need to do it manually?
20:27<stderr>Feveth: Oh no! You might have to write 5 lines...
20:27<Feveth>I'm not lazy, lol
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20:27<Feveth>I'll write five lines, sure.
20:27<Feveth>I'll object to writing a 500-page long manpage though.
20:28<Feveth>5 lines ain't that.
20:28<Feveth>So, eh. Template/example of a line?
20:28<stderr>Ok, maybe it'll be 10 lines...
20:28<cogito>http://paste.debian.net/26062
20:28<Feveth>Alright.
20:29<Feveth>So. Where do I drop the xorg.conf?
20:29<musca>Feveth: i 've read your Xorg.0.log, and you don't use vesa but the mach64 driver.
20:30*SamB would have thought Feveth would know the difference between reading and writing
20:30<Feveth>wtf
20:30<musca>why do you bother with that?
20:30<Feveth>Because the settings are picking up the Vesa driver.
20:30<stderr>Feveth: http://paste.debian.net/26063/ is what I got on one of my machines in a file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
20:30<SamB>what's the card on this thing again?
20:31<Feveth>Rage IIc.
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20:31<stderr>cogito: /dev/sda1 /boot ext2 rw,relatime,errors=continue 0 0
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20:31<stderr>That's the line you're looking for...
20:31<bgupta>Happy 20th birthday Debian!
20:31<stderr>Yeah!
20:31<Feveth>20th birthday for Debian?
20:31<Feveth>Awesome.
20:31<Feveth>I'll tell my mum to bring cakes.
20:31<bgupta>yep..
20:31-!-scientes [~scientes@mcfl-snohgr6.marinorg.net] has joined #debian
20:31<stderr>Yesterday depending on your timezone...
20:31<SamB>isn't rage ancient?
20:32<bgupta>This is from NYC nday party..
20:32<stderr>http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/08/16/1643225/debian-turns-20
20:32<Cyd>cool
20:32<Feveth>That's... 10-monitor.conf is it not?
20:32<Cyd>20 years
20:32<Cyd>wooohhooo
20:32<stderr>Feveth: Or another filename...
20:32<stderr>Doesn't really matter...
20:32<Feveth>Rage is ancient indeed.
20:32<Feveth>~1995-6 something ish.
20:32<Feveth>Well, best I got in PCI cards.
20:33<stderr>"New submitter stderr_dk writes..." I wonder who that might be. :-)
20:33<SamB>I admit I have a Voodoo 3 myself ...
20:33<Feveth>Besides that, I got me some Industry Standard Architecture.
20:33<Feveth>I had Voodoo 2.
20:33<Feveth>8 MB something.
20:33<SamB>not that I'm actually using it
20:33<Feveth>Then I got some 32MB card.
20:33<Feveth>Then gimme that.
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20:33<Feveth>I wanna supercompute at small scale.
20:33<cogito>So the line should say boot = /dev/sda1
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20:34<Feveth>Which, well, is proper in my room.
20:34<stderr>cogito: Yes.
20:34<Feveth>My room = Computer lab@home.
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20:35<Feveth>Well, now to nano and paste.
20:35<stderr>You're not going to copy/paste my config, are you?
20:36<cogito>stderr: Ctrl+w is search, should i use Ctrl+x for exit?
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20:36<stderr>cogito: Yes, sorry...
20:36<Supaplex>nadir: I'm testing ath9k (wifi usb) for openwrt. Mostly PoC stuffs, but it'a buzzkill so far.
20:36<Feveth>Eh, Imma eddit it of course.
20:36<Feveth>But I wonder how the hell I set color depth.
20:36<nadir>Supaplex: aha, so i was kinda wrong. Sorry.
20:37<stderr>Feveth: You're going to hate me, but... man xorg.conf
20:37<Feveth>Nah. Was just aboutta check.
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20:37<nadir>Supaplex: The people at the virtualbox forum i recall to give good advise and being experienced (but rather tough too)
20:38<Feveth>It tells me: VESA: MACH64GT under Graphics in System Settings > Details.
20:38<cogito>It worked, thanks, now to check if Synaptic gives me the same error or not
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20:38<Feveth>I'm sorry if I am a GUI junkie, but I hail from the Windows world.
20:38<Feveth>And that's... That's what should be there?
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20:39<Feveth>The experience is fallback.
20:39<Feveth>Why is it fallback ffs
20:39<cogito>How do i install packages that failed to install using Synaptic?
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20:40<stderr>cogito: Try apt-get install or aptitude install (as root) in a terminal.
20:41<stderr>Why does it fail?
20:41<cogito>stderr: It failed with the same error as lilo
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20:41<nadir>ssh -N -f 8118:127.0.0.1:8118 name-of-remote /* how can i un-forward the port ?, man ssh is cryptic */
20:42<stderr>cogito: What?
20:42<cogito>stderr: That's why i came here. after getting the same error twice.
20:42<stderr>nadir: What do you mean? Remove the forwarding options from the command line...
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20:43<nadir>I mean i forwarded the port and now want to undo it
20:43<cogito>stderr: Could the boot partition be misidentified somewhere?
20:43<stderr>cogito: What's the name of one of the packages, you're trying to install?
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20:44<cogito>I was trying to install live-built live-config and some others, i don't remember them all or witch one had the error.
20:44<stderr>nadir: Without closing the ssh connection or what?
20:44-!-potter35 [~charlot@189.244.56.43] has joined #debian
20:45<nadir>it is in the background, hence i can't close it
20:45-!-TheOne [~max@2a02:8109:8f00:4a3::2] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
20:45<nadir>if i can close it somehow, that would help too
20:45<stderr>cogito: Can you try apt-get install live-built in a terminal (as root) and put all the output on paste.debian.net?
20:45<stderr>nadir: Find the pid and kill it... :-)
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20:45<nadir>yes, that is what i did. Doesn't look very sexy
20:46<nadir> -o ClearAllForwardings , sounds good. mhh
20:46<stderr>nadir: I don't think there's a way to close already running forwards.
20:47<stderr>I think that option is in a case you got forwardings configures in .ssh/config
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20:48<cogito>stderr: http://paste.debian.net/26074 When i saw "could not get lock" i closed Synaptic
20:48<nadir>What i found is -C, which can be used with -K, but that didn't work
20:48<nadir>perhaps cause ssh is put to the background
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20:49<stderr>cogito: So "live-built" isn't the name of the package.
20:49<stderr>Ah, it's "live-build"
20:49<stderr>Try that...
20:49<cogito>stderr: Does synaptic have an error log?
20:50<stderr>Maybe... I don't use it.
20:50<nadir>it has an option to click on for command-line output
20:50<stderr>nadir: As far as I know, -C and -K isn't related at all?
20:51<nadir>gah: details
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20:51<nadir>stderr: the man page sounds as if it is related
20:51<nadir>so allows the cancellation of existing port-forwardings with -KL[bind_address:]port for
20:51<nadir> local
20:52<cogito>stderr: http://paste.debian.net/26075
20:52<stderr>nadir: That's ~C, not -C
20:52<nadir>ah, yes, that one
20:52<Feveth>How do I find stuff in this man reader?
20:52<stderr>Feveth: /
20:53<nadir>Feveth: do this / and after that a searchterm, for example /forward
20:53<stderr>cogito: Success!
20:53<nadir>n for the next result, p for the previos
20:53<cogito>stderr: yes, but i don't know if that was the one that gave the error.
20:54<cogito>anyway to install downloaded but not installed packages?
20:54<stderr>cogito: Well, try the next one then. :-) When you find the one that gave you an error, put it on the paste...
20:55<stderr>cogito: Well, they're probably in /var/cache/apt/archives/, so you could dpkg -i them, but that's a bit ugly. I'm not sure if apt-get or aptitude has an option for that...
20:55<stderr>You could apt-get install package1 package2 ... packageN
20:57<nadir>you could try apt-get install -f , perhaps with -s too
20:57<stderr>I don't think he has any broken packages right now.
20:57<stderr>The paste doesn't mention any.
20:57<cogito>/var/cache/apt/archives only contains partial and lock
20:58<stderr>Ok, I don't know where synapic puts the downloaded files.
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20:59<stderr>cogito: You could try installing the packages again in synaptic, if that's easier for you. It seems like the lilo problem is solved now, so it might work.
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21:02<cogito>stderr: They all said installed, but i re-installed to make sure and everything went fine
21:03<cogito>Thanks all
21:03<stderr>Great.
21:03<cogito>now some food
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21:03<stderr>Good idea... BRB.
21:04<sheap>anyone in SoCal that wants to celebrate the big day?
21:05<scientes>NoCal
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21:05<sheap>nuts
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21:06<Ahmed>sheap: what's SoCal?
21:06<sheap>Ahmed Southern California
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21:10<Feveth>Uh.
21:10<Feveth>This manpage is cryptic.
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21:13<Feveth>Pixel clock, horizontal timings and vertical timings. The fuck's all this
21:13<stderr>Probably something you don't need...
21:13<stderr>But if you do, you should be allowed to configure it, right?
21:14<Feveth>Uh .Says it's mandatory for a modeline.
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21:15<stderr>Do you need a modeline?
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21:18<blast007>Feveth: tried using gtf to generate a modeline?
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21:19<Feveth>I would love a modline. Have not tried gtf, doing now.
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21:20<savio>la
21:20*SamB thinks fondly of CRT
21:20<savio>Ola
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21:26<Feveth>This shit does not give colordepth.
21:26<Feveth>I need colordepth 16.
21:27<stderr>DefaultDepth depth
21:27<stderr>Depth depth
21:27<blast007>modeline doesn't control color depth, just resolution and timing
21:27<Feveth>Eh, alright.
21:27<Feveth>Okay.
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21:27<Feveth>I was gonna opt for display subsections.
21:28<Feveth>But is depth usable in screen?
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21:28<SamB>because VGA doesn't care about color depth
21:28<Feveth>Okay, I guess.
21:29<Feveth>So colordepth won't be important here?
21:29<SamB>I think you give that separately
21:29<Feveth>I'm trying to get 1680x1050 on this thing without killing VRAM which seems to be only 2mb.
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21:30<SamB>in Section "Screen", try DefaultDepth 8 or whatever
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21:31<medo>hello #debian
21:31<stderr>Hi.
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21:31<SamB>(I didn't actually try multiplying it out)
21:32<stderr>(1680*1050*1)/(1024*1024) =~ 1.68228149414062
21:32<medo>hello i'm a web developer and programmer looking for a job hhh
21:32<SamB>so I guess it does need 8 then
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21:32<blast007>medo: this channel is for Debian support.
21:32<medo>hhhh i know
21:33<medo>i'm just kidding here :D
21:33<stderr>I don't know where that 2MB limit came from. I see 8 and 4MB in the log.
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21:33<SamB>stderr: *both*?
21:33<stderr>[ 40.254] (II) MACH64(0): Using 8 MB linear aperture at 0xF5000000.
21:33<stderr>[ 40.254] (!!) MACH64(0): Virtual resolutions will be limited to 4095 kB
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21:33<stderr> due to linear aperture size and/or placement of hardware cursor image area.
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21:34<SamB>okay...
21:34<SamB>that's ... awkward
21:34<SamB>what did it do, put the cursor right smack dab in the middle of VRAM?
21:34<stderr>I have a feeling I have spend more time reading that log than Feveth...
21:35<stderr>[ 40.253] (II) MACH64(0): Storing hardware cursor image at 0xF53FFC00.
21:35<SamB>stderr: I suspect you have ...
21:35<stderr>Yes. :-)
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21:36*SamB wonders why the heck it would put the cursor there
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21:41<Feveth>Uh...
21:41<Feveth>What the actual fuck
21:42<Feveth>That is FUBAR.
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21:42<Feveth>I barely peeked.
21:42<Feveth>But I knew my card had 8MBs of RAM.+
21:42<Feveth>And that I've set it to 1680x1050x32 before.
21:42<Feveth>And utilized all 8.
21:44<stderr>Well... It says: [ 40.265] (--) MACH64(0): 4096 kB of Pseudo-EDO DRAM detected (using 4095 kB).
21:44<stderr>But why am _I_ reading _your_ log?
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21:46<Feveth>You requested that log.
21:46<Feveth>And it's...
21:46<Feveth>400 lines.
21:47<stderr>Yes... And it's _your_ problem. You could at least try to read the log too.
21:47*SamB wonders what the heck gnumach is good for on a Linux system ...
21:47<Feveth>I didn't even know of said log until you directed me there.
21:47<stderr>But I guess you were to busy complaining about how unhelpful Debian is and how long the man pages are and how Ubuntu was sooo much better...
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21:48<stderr>SamB: Cross-compiling for hurd?
21:48<SamB>hmm
21:49<nadir>but ubuntu is much better
21:49*stderr kicks nadir...
21:49*nadir ouch
21:49<Supaplex>woopie fscking do!
21:49<SamB>stderr: there doesn't seem to be a hurd package though ...
21:49*Supaplex give the troll a hair cut
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21:50<stderr>SamB: gnumach-image-1-486 ?
21:50<stderr>Or crosshurd ?
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21:51<stderr>I should take a look at Hurd again. It's been a while and the debian-hurd mailing list seems to be busy.
21:52<nadir>i just gave up on it.
21:52<sheap>Is it worth checking out?
21:52<nadir>sheap: if you got loads of time
21:52<nadir>i'd go for the qemu image, assuming your host is powerful enough
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21:53<stderr>sheap: If you're into kernels and all that, yes.
21:53<chealer>sheap: not for you personal benefit
21:53<stderr>If you just want a usable system, probably not.
21:54<sheap>just looking for stuff to do whilst I'm in recovery
21:54<sheap>I might check it out
21:55<stderr>sheap: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/
21:55<sheap>not really a developer, but thanks!
21:56<nadir>you will need a machine with >256 of RAM for the installer
21:56<Feveth>http://askubuntu.com/questions/1557/how-to-change-the-color-depth Turns out Google is actually helpful.
21:56<Feveth>Wish me luck @ 320x200x16.
21:56<stderr>sheap: Then Hurd is probably not for you... Yet. :-)
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21:57<sheap>haha you're probably right
21:57<nadir>well: you sure will never ever complain that debian linux is not userfriendly (you as in anyone, say me, not you sheap)
21:58<nadir>plan9 served the same purpose
21:58<Feveth>I stated explicitly I did not find the community userfriendly but Debian itself, the OS, is somewhat user-unfriendly.
21:58<SamB>plan9 was ... different
21:58<sheap>nadir it is remarkably usable, a stint of bsd made me realize how much I love debian
21:58<sheap>not that it's bad
21:59<Feveth>I've not really bothered taking the dive into BSD.
21:59<Feveth>And one thing above any other.
21:59<Feveth>I do not want to run around with configs.
21:59<nadir>sheap: yup, same for me (and yes, i think it is good, but loads of work)
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21:59<Feveth>I want to at least be able to spend 24 hours without the need for the terminal.
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21:59<Ahmed>Is Debian kFreeBSD as smooth as normal Debian?
21:59<nadir>what i have seen was ok, but not as easy as Linux/Hurd
22:00<SamB>Ahmed: not quite
22:00<nadir>ups, sorry, Gnu/Linux
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22:00<Feveth>I do remember a Linux distro from a long while back that had a reorganized structure into a more Windows form (users, progs, data, crap)
22:00<Feveth>Forgot name
22:00<SamB>crap is like 90% on real windows right
22:00<Ahmed>SamB: I was thinking about jumping there simply because I dislike Linus
22:01<Guest3593>velocirraptoR
22:01<Feveth>Crap is 0% on Windows. System32 is your friend, always.
22:01<Feveth>And so is SysWOW64 under x64.
22:01<nadir>Ahmed: with Hurd chances are high it will fail, with KFreeBSD chances are (rather) high it will work
22:01<chealer>Ahmed: no, it's a "technical preview"
22:01<nadir>not a guarantee, but not completely "impossible"
22:01<Ahmed>kFreeBSD is a technical preview also?
22:01<SamB>what's wrong with Linus, besides being (I think) an admitted asshole?
22:02<sheap>I don't think anything
22:02<stderr>Feveth: I really doubt anything on Windows is my friend...
22:02<Feveth>When you can replicate Linux wonders on Windows, well. That's a different story altogether.
22:02<Feveth>Much more so with only first party tools.
22:02<Guest3593>lunasosa
22:02<Guest3593>kmag
22:02<Ahmed>When he announced his kernel, he said "I made a free OS. Just a hobby, nothing serious like GNU"
22:02<stderr>Guest3582: Yes?
22:03<Ahmed>then later on, he said he never intended for his OS to be "free"
22:03<Feveth>Given the time, I could fuck a Windows installation up enough to host it on an ext4 natively.
22:03<SamB>Ahmed: eh?
22:03<sheap>Ahmed what do you mean by that?
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22:03<Ahmed>It's the whoe Free vs Open Source thing
22:03<SamB>Ahmed: pretty sure he didn't slap the GPL in there by accident
22:03<Ahmed>Exactly
22:04<stderr>Oops! How did that get there?!
22:04<nadir>And probably sticked to it for good reasons too
22:04<Ahmed>now he says he never intended for it to be "free"
22:04<Feveth>I know some about IFS and modules. Really want to dive more into proper fs modding on Windows and some Diskpart magic.
22:04<Ahmed>just open source
22:04<SamB>I thought free software and open source were the same thing concretely, just different philosophically
22:04<Feveth>Maybe I'll be ReactOS' lead sometime.
22:04<stderr>nadir: It is near impossible for him to switch.
22:04<stderr>Even if he wanted to.
22:04<nadir>stderr: aha. well: i didn't know
22:05<nadir>in fact i barely know anything, only enough to chat ... :-)
22:05<sheap>I'm sort of confused about how a paid for open-source software would work
22:05<Feveth>Uh.
22:05<stderr>nadir: As far as I know, patches are still copyrighted the original author. He can't just change their license.
22:05<Feveth>Doom, Doom 2, Doom 3, Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3?
22:05<Feveth>Hello id Software.
22:05<nadir>stderr: sounds like it would make sense
22:06<SamB>Feveth: well that's only the engines
22:06<Ahmed>SamB: the long story short, when he was just some other guy with another kernel, he tried to associate himself with the free software movement, and now he denies that
22:06<SamB>and I thought that was just for quake ...
22:06<sheap>Ahmed sources?
22:06<Ahmed>KK
22:06<Feveth>'Course. But the games come in very, very open files too, effectively making it open through, but without licenses which is why original content is needed. But it'll still be the same game but with different graphics pretty much. TC without seperate storyline.
22:06<stderr>nadir: Unlike most (all?) GNU software where AFAIK you sign over your copyright to FSF.
22:07<SamB>stderr: which is kind of a pain ...
22:07<Ahmed>Sheap: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/9/25/161
22:07<Feveth>All id engines' source code is released five years after debut.
22:07<SamB>but less so than it was when they had to physically mail you stuff I guess
22:07<Feveth>Namely: Rage will effectively gain open source status after 5 years of use.
22:07<SamB>Feveth: that's basically just a nice gesture when they abandon it
22:07<stderr>SamB: I haven't tried.
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22:08<Ahmed>Sheap: "in fact has never even been a "Free Software" project."
22:08<Feveth>Yeah, but it gives devs the power to create games and engines that hadn't been possible if id weren't around.
22:08<sheap>just a sec, I'm reading it
22:08<Feveth>Epic is good aswell.
22:09<Ahmed>the "I'm making a "free" OS. Just a hobby, nothing big like GNU" quote is in the Linux wikipedia page
22:09<sheap>Ahmed I feel like it's a syntax thing
22:09<sheap>free vs opensource
22:09<Feveth>Am I the only one that looks at this vs thing like a duo of DJs just smoking weed and hanging around the decks scratching bullshit?
22:10<sheap>even though he states in the original 'license' that it cannot be distributed for a fee, and the code must be open
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22:10<Ahmed>Sheap: this is in response to why they won't go GPLv3
22:10<funnyboy243>What else is in response to why they will not go GPLv3?
22:10<Ahmed>He also spreads misinformation
22:10<funnyboy243>I get it. spreads misinformation.
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22:11<Feveth>Linus would be an awesome politicianþ
22:11<SamB>Feveth: I don't see any packages for unreal-based games ...
22:11<funnyboy243>When do you think Mindy's Ass will take over the world?
22:11<Ahmed>the GNU project does not try to rename his kernel, but only the distros containing both GNU and Linux
22:11<Feveth>They're bringing Unreal to Linux.+
22:11<funnyboy243>What are your goals in life?
22:11<sheap>I think I understand what he was getting at
22:11<funnyboy243>You believe that? Good then you can explain it to me.
22:11<SamB>the kernel can't go GPLv3 anyway
22:11<funnyboy243>In any case, What are your goals in life?
22:11<stderr>funnyboy243: Do you have a Debian question or are you just drunk?
22:12<nadir>"here is a poll for you: - go write your own kernel" lol
22:12<funnyboy243>I think there might be a few exception.
22:12<Ahmed>Linus says Richard tried to rename Linux, whch isn't true
22:12<funnyboy243>What is Linus says Richard tried to rename Linux whch?
22:12<SamB>Ahmed: RMS did try to get people to call the OS as a whole GNU/Linux, which basically only Debian actually does
22:12<funnyboy243>Mindy's Pingas never ends!!
22:12<Feveth>Said Richard tried to ass him to rename Linux GNU/Linux.
22:12<SamB>in the full name Debian GNU/Linux
22:12<funnyboy243>What did you mean by it? He will be interested I am sure.
22:13<Ahmed>Samb: That's ture. He tries to rename the OS, not the kernel
22:13<funnyboy243>Are they exactly the same? I get it. tries to rename the OS not the kernel.
22:13<stderr>So... How do you call an op?
22:13<funnyboy243>I hear you. My dad told me how to call an op.
22:13<Ahmed>Linus says RMS tried to rename his kernel
22:13<nadir>In Debian it is very clear why it makes sense to call it GNU/Linux (cause calling kFreeBSD a LInux system would be odd, no?)
22:13<Ahmed>which is a lie
22:13<funnyboy243>Mindy's Pingas never ends!!
22:13<Feveth>Basically: "I don't want to rename the apple shit, but I want to rename the apple core shit". Sort of how it works.
22:13<SamB>!op
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22:14<funnyboy243>How interesting. What would you rather be doing? Kind of. What is it to you. Check back later and see if I learn the answer to that one.
22:14<SamB>!ops
22:14<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
22:14<funnyboy243>I have a brother named Jack. He likes crap very much and he would like if you'd call him at (414)375-0298. :D .
22:14<sheap>wat
22:14<funnyboy243>No big deal.
22:14<stderr>funnyboy243: Try this: !ops I'm not funny
22:14<funnyboy243>And the mindy said "funnyboy243 Try this ops I am not funny".
22:15<Ahmed>I wish I was born a spambot
22:15<SamB>dpkg: ops funnyboy243 seems to be a some sort of copycat bot
22:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: samb complains about: funnyboy243 seems to be a some sort of copycat bot
22:15<funnyboy243>I hope that your dreams come true.
22:15<Ahmed>they always sound so happy
22:15<funnyboy243>happy are they.
22:15<sheap>:)
22:15<Ahmed>See?
22:15<funnyboy243>I am so glad you find this amusing, .
22:15<stderr>funnyboy243: You just failed the Turing test...
22:15<SamB>no we really don't
22:15<Feveth>But. SamB. Unreal has been ported to Flash, and works with Chrome under Ubuntu since it has hardware acceleration. Map is missing on Firefox, yes, I tested, however models are not.
22:15-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
22:15<funnyboy243>The Loebner Prize
22:15-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@cc-xpc.carrollu.edu] by mentor
22:15-!-funnyboy243 was kicked from #debian by mentor [funnyboy243]
22:15-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
22:16<stderr>Thank you...
22:16<Ahmed>I bet spambots are nice people
22:16-!-funnyboy240 [~funnyboy2@ruysdaeldesign.com] has joined #debian
22:17<Ahmed>we just don't give them a chance
22:17<Ahmed>oh shit
22:17<funnyboy240>What do we do instead?
22:17<Ahmed>I take that back
22:17<funnyboy240>Are you kidding? What makes you say that?
22:17<stderr>!ops He's back...
22:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: stderr complains about: He's back...
22:17<funnyboy240>Every day?
22:17-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
22:17<funnyboy240>Are they exactly the same?
22:17<funnyboy240>Yea, Hydroxide dondelelcaro helix LoRez RichiH mentor xk abrotman gravity azeem Maulkin stew peterS Myon Ganneff weasel zobel themill babilen stderr complains about he is back.
22:17-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@ruysdaeldesign.com] by mentor
22:17-!-funnyboy240 was kicked from #debian by mentor [funnyboy240]
22:17<Feveth>Damn brah, you got bugs.
22:17<Ahmed>Next time he'll be 420
22:17<Ahmed>and high
22:18<@mentor>Well, then he might be fun to be around
22:18<SamB>can we ban funnyboy* or something?
22:18<Feveth>Guys.
22:18<Feveth>We should PC him or shit and figure out a way to shut him down and troll the operator.
22:18<@mentor>SamB: I'm sure he won't figure out how to change nicks
22:18<nadir>What is a quick way to convert jpeg to png?
22:18<stderr>nadir: "convert"...
22:18<stderr>:-)
22:18<SamB>mentor: well he failed the turing test
22:18<Feveth>Obviously.
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22:18<Feveth>Which means he is scripted.
22:19<@mentor>You should go back to your Debian related business, and I will escalate this to the network if it continues
22:19<nadir>stderr: yup, that was easy. thanks
22:19<sheap>mentor thanks (:
22:20<Feveth>IP BAN DAMNIT HE'S POOPING FILES
22:20<stderr>nadir: Now you just have to decide between imagemagick and graphicsmagick... :-)
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22:20<nadir>uhum. shit knows, i just ran "convert name.jpg name.png" and i think it worked
22:20<sheap>imagemagick is swell
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22:21<stderr>"You are being CTCP flooded from funnyboy243, ignoring *!*@cc-xpc.carrollu.edu"... GREAT!
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22:21<stderr>mentor: Could you do something?
22:22<SamB>stderr: I got that twice
22:22<mentor>I am escalating to network
22:22<stderr>Lucky you... I got more than I want to count... :-(
22:22<SamB>stderr: I got lots of DCC RECV though
22:22<SamB>or something ...
22:23<mentor>It is possible for you to set your clients to ignore him
22:23<Feveth>Operator is mad.
22:23<stderr>Ahhh.. Yeah, I got the "you are being CTCP flooded ..." 3 times.
22:23<Feveth>And he is pooping an assload of files to everyone here.
22:23<Feveth>I got, uh.
22:23<Feveth>7.
22:23*Ahmed feels lucky to have actually witnissed something like this
22:23<dudu>help... I tried to install some tar files... when i put "./configure" there isn't anything to configure =/
22:23<Feveth>My poor poor Pentium 3 is being tortured.
22:23<Ahmed>Being a noob is a joy
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22:24<mentor>Heh
22:24-!-Ad_m1 [~Ad_m@public-gprs579764.centertel.pl] has joined #debian
22:24<mentor>He's put his bot on the OFTC support channel
22:24<snogglethorpe>man, this 25mhz 68k is straining!
22:24-!-althaser_ [~gnu@bl14-228-131.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #debian
22:24<sheap>i dont want mindyass picture :(
22:24-!-r00t [~r00t@torland1-this.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is] has joined #debian
22:25<stderr>dudu: We need more info... What tar file and stuff like that?
22:25<sheap>Feveth 4 for me!
22:25-!-r00t [~r00t@28IAABDFI.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit []
22:25<Feveth>Eh.
22:26<Feveth>He's a noob.
22:26<stderr>snogglethorpe: Can a 68k even run at 25MHz?
22:26<snogglethorpe>stderr: i used to have a machine with a 25Mhz 68010 anyway
22:26<snogglethorpe>dunno about the original
22:26<dudu>now i'm trying with opera-12.16-1860.x86_64.linux.tar.bz2 but before i tried with some firmware, and i couldn't, same error
22:27-!-Noskcaj [~Noskcaj@101.174.39.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:27<Ahmed>I'm actually looking for mindyass.jpg online
22:27<stderr>The normal speed was around 7-8 MHz as far as I remember. My 060 was 50MHz. I think my 040 was 25MHz.
22:27<sheap>you might not need to compile anything for opera
22:27<mentor>WP says the CMOS versions would do 20 MHz
22:27<stderr>The x86_64 in the name suggests that it's compiled already.
22:28<mentor>You could probably find at least some that would run at 25 MHz
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22:28<dudu>so i pass to "make"?
22:28-!-torguy [~fast@0001bb13.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:29<stderr>dudu: No, it's compiled already.
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22:29<mentor>funnyboy has now been autokilled
22:29<stderr>Thanks!
22:29-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
22:29<dudu>to "make install"?
22:30<stderr>dudu: Maybe you need to install it, but it could be that you just have to unpack it to /opt or whatever.
22:30-!-mode/#debian [-bb *!*@cc-xpc.carrollu.edu *!*@ruysdaeldesign.com] by mentor
22:30<stderr>Can you put the output of ls on paste.debian.net?
22:30-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
22:30<sheap>dudu could just run './opera' from the command line in that folder
22:31-!-funnyboy420 [~funnyboy4@ruysdaeldesign.com] has joined #debian
22:31<sheap>noooooooo
22:31<funnyboy420>That is a very original thought.
22:31<dudu>root@magdalena:/home/dudu# cd /home/dudu/Descargas
22:31<dudu>root@magdalena:/home/dudu/Descargas# ./opera
22:31<dudu>bash: ./opera: No existe el fichero o el directorio
22:31<funnyboy420>Where are you located?
22:31<funnyboy420>Tell me a little about your life in root magdalena home dudu Descargas. I like it very much too. Which one is your favorite? I like La Traviata.
22:31-!-althaser [~gnu@bl7-230-226.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:31<funnyboy420>What's your sign? I like it very much too. Which one is your favorite? I like La Traviata.
22:32<dudu>my life is full of pain (=
22:32<funnyboy420>Tell me more about it.
22:32<sheap>dudu in the folder you made when you extracted the tarball
22:32<funnyboy420>That's what she said! :P .
22:32<stderr>dudu: Can you put the output of ls on paste.debian.net?
22:32<funnyboy420>Do you prefer books or TV?
22:32<dudu>no
22:32<funnyboy420>Are you serious?
22:32-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
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22:33<@mentor>Well, apparently not
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22:34<stderr>mentor: What about ~funnyboy2@cc-xpc.carrollu.edu ? Is he banned from there too?
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22:34<dudu>root@magdalena:/home/dudu/Descargas# cd /home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.x86_64.linux
22:34<dudu>root@magdalena:/home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.x86_64.linux# ./opera./lib/opera/opera: 1: ./lib/opera/opera: Syntax error: ")" unexpected
22:35<snogglethorpe>stderr: my apologies, it was actually a 68020
22:35<snogglethorpe>><
22:35<stderr>snogglethorpe: No problem. :-)
22:35<@mentor>stderr: That ban looks quite wide, so I'd prefer not to put it back if at all possible
22:36<stderr>mentor: funnyboy*@* :-)
22:36-!-luser0 [~luser0@99-28-74-71.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
22:36<@mentor>Yeah, that's not going to help either
22:36<snogglethorpe>*@*.com?
22:36<stderr>Seconded!
22:37<stderr>dudu: You are running x86_64, right?
22:37<dudu>i don't know
22:37<stderr>BTW: You probably don't want to run opera as root...
22:37<stderr>uname-m
22:37<stderr>uname -m
22:37<Feveth>Rebooting and getting something to eat.
22:37-!-byonk [~byonk@114-36-65-35.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #debian
22:37<Feveth>I'll be with you guys in a moment.
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22:38<dudu>root@magdalena:/home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.x86_64.linux# uname -m
22:38<dudu>i686
22:39<dudu>that was with me?
22:39<stderr>Wrong architecture. I don't know how well opera works with multiarch...
22:39<dudu>but non tar works =/
22:39<stderr>See if you can find a tar for i686 (or i386).
22:40<dudu>right
22:41<stderr>I just checked... They have .deb files...
22:41<stderr>Like opera_12.16.1860_i386.deb
22:41<@mentor>x86-64 kernel will run 64bit and 32bit binaries
22:41<dudu>tar.xz or tar.bz2? which is better?
22:42<stderr>dudu: .deb
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22:42<@mentor>x86 kernel will not run 64bit binaries
22:42<dudu>yes, i saw, but i want to learn to install tar
22:42<@mentor>dudu: One is compressed with XZ and one is compressed with bzip2; the better one is the smaller one
22:42<luser0> x86-64 kernel will run 16 bit bytecodes, also, :_)
22:42-!-dous [~dous@cm70.sigma70.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:43<stderr>dudu: You mean, you want to compile stuff? You don't get to do that with opera.
22:43-!-rndm [~rndm@122-61-116-46.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #debian
22:44<dudu>i needed with my firmware before... i pass 4 days looking for a deb file
22:44<dudu>bad looker* ^^
22:44-!-rndm [~rndm@122-61-116-46.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit []
22:45<stderr>Firmware for what?
22:45<luser0>codesign board, my guess
22:45<luser0>you have bundled IEE float subsumm?
22:46<dudu>root@magdalena:/home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.x86_64.linux# cd /home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux
22:46<dudu>root@magdalena:/home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux# ./opera
22:46<dudu>(opera:7031): Gtk-WARNING **: Imposible encontrar el motor de temas en la ruta al _modulo: «pixmap»,
22:46<dudu>opera: Session management problem: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported
22:46-!-dudu was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood]
22:47<luser0>debian is not E&S friendly, is it?
22:48<@mentor>E&S?
22:48<luser0>perhaps an ARM/E&S architecture may work?
22:48<stderr>Evans & Sutherland?
22:48<luser0>yes, Evans
22:49<stderr>luser0: Do you want to tell us what E&S is?
22:50<stderr>Erosion and Sedimentation?
22:50<luser0>which E&S board, I don't know, the one bundled with dudu's I686
22:50<@mentor>There's not virtual 8086 mode available if the processor is in long more
22:50<@mentor>mode
22:50<rohara>Engineering & Science?
22:51<luser0>elicitation and star-gazing
22:51<rohara>what
22:52<rohara>Are we just making things up now?
22:52<stderr>I guess I missed the part where he said he was using an E&S (whatever that is) board...
22:52<luser0>everyone should star-gaze with Ian Sutherland, once
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22:52<stderr>rohara: "Now"?
22:52<user>yes?
22:52-!-user is now known as Guest3596
22:52<rohara>Fair enough
22:52<Guest3596>ok
22:53<Guest3596>i have to go bye
22:53<rohara>ok
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22:53<nutron>What is the proper command, or what is it called when I want to generate an ISO that can be booted from a USB stick after being dd'ed to the stick? (I'm trying to generate an iso of the installer)
22:53<stderr>luser0: uname -m said i686, so I don't know why you're talking about ARM?
22:53<luser0>I would expect an I686 with and E&S graphics card might find most of the Linux memory routines a bit loathsome
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22:55<@mentor>luser0: ?
22:55<luser0>where would the gcon hide?
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22:55<stderr>luser0: Seriously, what are you talking about?!
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22:56<luser0>there were quite a few I686 with E&S graphic chips
22:56<luser0>but the mram is more like an ARM uram syncs
22:56<stderr>Ok... Why are we talking about those?
22:57<peterS>nutron: nitpicking: no need to "dd" it to a stick. "cp" is ... slightly easier to use than "dd". (Lots of people get hung up thinking if you're writing to a raw block device you have to use 'dd', but that's nonsense.)
22:58<peterS>anyway I don't remember what that image format is called. Might be considered a 'hybrid' image, but that word used to be used mainly for a CD that could boot on both Macintosh and IBM
22:58<nutron>peterS: fair enough, I've done it in the past myself, just going from the examples I've read online.
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22:59<nutron>peterS: I'm having the same problem, can't remember what it's called so I can't really find anything related on google, hence my pestering here.
22:59<peterS>nutron: I'd check the changelog for debian-cd, which gained this feature not so terribly long ago
23:00<nutron>Back when squeeze was released =)
23:00<nutron>And mkisofs was deprecated.
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23:00<stderr>It isn't called "El Torito", is it?
23:00<peterS>well _technically_ mkisofs was deprecated in lenny, as we renamed it to genisoimage at that point, but I know what you mean (:
23:01<peterS>no, it isn't El Torito
23:01<peterS>El Torito is the convention for putting a floppy image on a CD and booting it as though it were a floppy
23:01<stderr>Ah, yes...
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23:02<luser0>what a u4 deprecated mode boot?
23:02<nutron>Hrrm, well the wiki is outdated, and uses the mkisofs example... grr ... must find ... example.
23:02<@mentor>Isn't a hybrid image just one that's carefully been crafter to have valid headers for all types of media?
23:02<peterS>nutron: http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/d/debian-cd/debian-cd_3.1.5_changelog describes using xorriso fto make "isohybrid images for i386/amd64"
23:02<SamB>mentor: well, it used to mean HFS and ISO 9660 I think
23:03<nutron>peterS: \o/ that set off bells, thanks!
23:03<peterS>(I _thought_ the word 'hybrid' might be in there...)
23:03<luser0>wow, and I thought E&S graphics boards were an outdated ref
23:03<luser0>HFS ISO 9660?
23:03<stderr>Is the bot back or something?!
23:04-!-pixelpapst [~pixelpaps@80-83-50-80.wifi.dc13.debconf.org] has joined #debian
23:06<luser0>stderr, the bot knows paper only xerox architecture references?
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23:06<@mentor>I think HFS/ISO9660 CD images win out on newness against E&S graphics chips
23:06-!-piper_ [~piper@00012f3a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:06<luser0>they put those manuals on CD?
23:06<stderr>dudu: Welcome back...
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23:07<dudu>thanks
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23:08<stderr>dudu: Does it work, if you try to run opera from that dir as your normal user?
23:08<dudu>i installed opera... but i can't find it, and i want to install "install_flash_player_11_linux.i386-1" too... I couldn't either =/
23:09<stderr>You found opera before. You were just trying to run it as root.
23:09<dudu>how i return to normal user?
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23:13<@mentor>dudu: exit
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23:14<dudu>dudu@magdalena:~$ opera
23:14<dudu>bash: opera: no se encontró la orden
23:14<sheap>exit
23:14<sheap>woops
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23:16<@mentor>dudu: You can't execute things in the current directory like that
23:17<dudu>i look in the menu... its not there
23:18<sheap>./opera
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23:19<stderr>dudu: cd /home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux ; ./opera
23:19<stderr>dudu: Or /home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux/opera
23:19<dudu>dudu@magdalena:~$ ./opera
23:19<dudu>bash: ./opera: No existe el fichero o el directorio
23:20<sheap>has anyone ever made a package that show public transportation times?
23:20<sheap>*shows
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23:22<stderr>dudu: Did you try either of the two commands I wrote?
23:22-!-kitoy [~FlIP@222.127.72.20] has joined #debian
23:22<dudu>yes
23:22-!-marianin [~marianin@186-79-190-38.baf.movistar.cl] has joined #debian
23:22<Feveth>Oi.
23:22<stderr>dudu: And?
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23:23<Feveth>adding modelines totally raped x to oblivion. Back to it now after deleting the configs, but I got the log from Xorg -configure.
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23:24<Feveth>Can't see a thing in there.
23:24<Feveth>Want the log, stderr?
23:24-!-marianin [~marianin@186-79-190-38.baf.movistar.cl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:25<stderr>Not really... :-)
23:25<Feveth>Well.
23:25<Feveth>I can't find a single thing in there that tells me what's wrong.
23:25<stderr>But put them on paste.debian.net, maybe someone else wants them.
23:25<Feveth>Read each and every one.
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23:25<dudu>dudu@magdalena:~/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux$ /home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux/opera
23:25<dudu>bash: /home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux/opera: No existe el fichero o el directorio
23:26<gry>What are you trying to do, dudu?
23:26<stderr>dudu: Can you do a ls /home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux and put the output on paste.debian.net?
23:26<stderr>gry: Install opera.
23:26<dudu>no
23:27<stderr>dudu: Why not?
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23:27<dudu>what is a ls?
23:27-!-k1lumin4t1 [~k1lumin4t@190.207.42.13] has joined #debian
23:27<stderr>"ls - list directory contents"
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23:28<Feveth>It's a command.
23:28-!-nothing [~nothing@cas75-3-78-192-36-101.fbxo.proxad.net] has joined #debian
23:29<Feveth>But. stderr.
23:29<stderr>Yes, Feveth?
23:29<Feveth>http://paste.debian.net/26113/ Lines 335 and 336. /dev/fb0?
23:29<stderr>Frame buffer device.
23:30<Feveth>Why doesn't that exist?
23:30<Feveth>Seems like it should.
23:30<stderr>Because you're not using frame buffer?
23:30<Feveth>Okay.
23:30<Feveth>Well.
23:31<Feveth>How would I go about generating/making a file/directory at /dev/fb0?
23:31<Feveth>And what might I throw in?
23:31-!-AzaToth [~azatoth@h87-96-232-177.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:32<dudu>i get lost...
23:32<k1lumin4t1>does anybody here use ZoneEdit for DNS management?
23:33<stderr>Feveth: I doubt you need it.
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23:33<gry>dudu: stderr wants to see what you have in the 'opera' directory. To view the list, type «ls /home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux». Then paste it to paste.debian.net for stderr to see.
23:33<Feveth>Well, I obviously need it in Xorg -configure which I am trying to do.
23:33<stderr>Feveth: Why?
23:34<stderr>I mean why do you think you need it?
23:34<Feveth>So that I might generate a xorg.conf.
23:34<Feveth>Proper video modes that don't fuck x up.
23:34<SamB>the fb driver isn't exactly fast ...
23:34<Feveth>Having a proper video mode or two in x without warnings on each boot might be a little bit comfier, you know.
23:35<stderr>Feveth: It's just checking if you got a frame buffer device. Just like it was testig for a voodoo card and a bunch of other cards.
23:35<Feveth>Yeah.
23:35<Feveth>No frame buffer means what?
23:35<Feveth>I can't configure x?
23:35<stderr>But didn't it make a config for you?
23:35<Feveth>Nope.
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23:35<Feveth>Didn't make a thing.
23:35<stderr>[ 75.278] (++) Using config file: "/root/xorg.conf.new"
23:35<stderr>Are you sure?
23:36<Feveth>That's the final conf file, not a template spit out for configuration by the thing?
23:37<Feveth>If I am wrong, then add the sixth chicken to the raft.
23:37<dudu>root@magdalena:/home/dudu# ls /home/dudu/Descargas/opera-12.16-1860.i386.linux
23:37<dudu>lib share
23:37<stderr>dudu: On http://paste.debian.net/ please...
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23:37<stderr>Feveth: Looking at the output... How many graphics cards do you have?
23:38<stderr>6?!
23:38<Feveth>One, Rage IIC.
23:38<Feveth>Well, two.
23:38<Feveth>One onboard, Matrox G200.
23:38<Feveth>I was just about as baffled when I saw it trying to config everything.
23:38<stderr>Hmm, WTF is Card2->Card5?!
23:39<Feveth>I have no clue what the hell that is.
23:39<Feveth>It may be a bug associated with the box's Holmes System Board. Proprietary HP shit.
23:39<stderr>And /root/xorg.conf.new is empty / doesn't exist?
23:39<dudu>http://paste.debian.net/26114/
23:39<Feveth>Didn't check since I thought that was some arsy template with generic configs to be processed into a real file.
23:40<Feveth>Should I reboot and check?
23:40<stderr>Feveth: It won't be used while it's sitting in /root... But can I see it?
23:41<stderr>dudu: Hold on, I'll try to download and extract the tar file myself. Right now I have no idea what's going on...
23:41<Feveth>For that, I'll need to reboot to recreate the thing. That'll take a bit longer than expected, since this Vectra is painfully slow at verifying 511MB of RAM.
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23:42<dudu>(=
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23:43<stderr>dudu: Did something fail when you extracted the tar file? I got more files than you... Including an "opera" script.
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23:44<dudu>maybe its me or my computer... because its not the first time that happend or the first file
23:44<stderr>http://paste.debian.net/26116/
23:44<stderr>That's what I got.
23:45<stderr>Can you run "df" and see if your disk is full?
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23:47<dudu>its not http://paste.debian.net/26117/
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23:48<Feveth>Rebooted.
23:48<stderr>dudu: Try unpacking the tar file again.
23:48<Feveth>And reminded of why I hate my damn nightstand.
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23:48<stderr>Feveth: I have no idea why you rebooted... :-)
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23:49<dudu>right
23:50<Feveth>http://paste.debian.net/26118/ Here is your config file.
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23:50<Feveth>I deleted it since I thought it was preprocessing junk.
23:50<Feveth>But there it is.
23:51<Feveth>And I needed reboot since I don't know jack about how to kill the X server.
23:51<stderr>Feveth: Let's start at line 84->130... Do you have a "mga" card?
23:51<Feveth>Yes. MGA G200 which I don't have the drivers installed for. Related to an earlier question
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23:52<stderr>Ok, let's keep that block for now...
23:52<stderr>Line 132->162: Do you have a mach64 card?
23:52<Feveth>Yes.
23:53<stderr>Keep that block.
23:53<Feveth>My monitor is connected on said Mach64 card.
23:53<stderr>Line 164->177: fbdev?
23:53<stderr>No... Kill it...
23:53<stderr>Same with the next fbdev block.
23:53<stderr>Line 194->206: Vesa? No? Kill...
23:53<stderr>Same with the next vesa block.
23:54<Feveth>Alright. Just erase those and copy mach64 config into xorg.conf?
23:54<stderr>So we deleted Card2, Card3, Card4 and Card5. Now we need to find other references to those cards...
23:54<Feveth>Okay. I'm guessing I keep the first two?
23:54<stderr>Yes.
23:54<Feveth>Alright.
23:55<stderr>Line 282->310 is about Card2... Die!
23:55<dudu>doesn't works http://paste.debian.net/26123/
23:55<asenal>msg dpkg paste | /msg bots
23:55<stderr>Same for 312->340, 342->370 and 372->400
23:57<stderr>Feveth: Deleting those lines mean we no longer have any reference to Screen2, 3, 4 and 5 and Monitor2, 3, 4 and 5, so we need to find other references to those too...
23:57<stderr>Line 60->82 need to die.
23:57<stderr>And in the very first block in the file, you need to delete line 5-8.
23:58<Feveth>Alright.
23:59<stderr>You didn't want to use the mga card at all?
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