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---Logopened Sat Aug 17 00:00:07 2013
00:00<stderr>Or are you planning on have a dual monitor setup with one screen on the mga card and one on mach64?
00:01<Feveth>I don't have two monitors but I'll keep the original config incase I want to add the MGA one back in.
00:01<Feveth>But, you are correct in the first.
00:01<Feveth>The MGA can go eat its ass.
00:02<stderr>Ok, let's do it the clean way so you can add it back in easily later...
00:02<stderr>The mga card is Card0 and that card is using Screen0 and Monitor0. But we only want to use Card1, Screen1 and Monitor1.
00:03<Feveth>Alright.
00:03<Feveth>Go on.
00:03<stderr>So put a # in the beginning of line 3 and 4, the two Screen lines.
00:03<stderr>Then insert a Screen 0 "Screen1" 0 0 line in that section.
00:04<stderr>Let's try that...
00:04<Feveth>Sec.
00:04<Feveth>Gotta root this term since I forgot.
00:06<Feveth>Screen 0 "Screen1" 0 0? Is that syntax corregt?
00:06<Feveth>correct
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00:07<stderr>Yes... It's basically what it had for Screen0, but we want to use Screen1 instead.
00:07<Feveth>Alright.
00:08<stderr>What display manager are you using? xdm? gdm? lightdm? something-else-dm?
00:08<Feveth>GDM3.
00:09<stderr>/etc/init.d/gdm restart
00:09<stderr>(or gdm3, I'm not sure...)
00:09<Feveth>gdm3
00:09<Feveth>http://paste.debian.net/26130/ This look sane?
00:09<Feveth>If yes, I'm proceeding to save to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
00:10<stderr>That's what I got too, so I hope it's sane...
00:10<Feveth>Alright.
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00:15<Feveth>Arright. Been there, done that. Black screen of death when trying to start up gdm3 again for some reason, but here I am.
00:16<Feveth>...And it still reports VESA fallback etc whatever. Copy also to /usr/share/X11?
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00:17<Feveth>suing a terminal.
00:18<stderr>Feveth: At the bottom of man Xorg it mentions about 3000 different place for that config...
00:18<Feveth>Oh shit.
00:18<Feveth>Well, didn't work in /etc/X11.
00:18<stderr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf is the first of them
00:19<Feveth>Exactly where my xorg.conf is located.
00:19<Feveth>And it's still shooting itself back to Vesa.
00:19<stderr>Can we see the log before you try to move the config?
00:19<Feveth>I was gonna copy.
00:19<blitzed>http://www.tommerritt.com/2013/08/16/tech-history-today-august-16-2013/
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00:21<Feveth>And yeah, you can. Moment.
00:23<asenal>hello friends, I need help on 'newusers'? paste.debian.net/26132
00:23<dudu>http://paste.debian.net/26133/ I think I could unpack it =/
00:24<asenal> http://paste.debian.net/26132
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00:25<stderr>dudu: There's no configure or make!
00:25<stderr>And don't run opera as root!
00:26<dudu>where is debian for dummies?
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00:26<Feveth>http://paste.debian.net/26134/
00:28<Feveth>dudu:
00:28<Feveth>http://www.amazon.com/Debian-GNU-Linux-Dummies-Computers/dp/0764507133
00:28<dudu>we have no dollars in my country =/
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00:29<Feveth>darn.
00:29<Feveth>Well, stderr. See anything out of that log?
00:30<stderr>asenal: CAVEATS The input file must be protected since it contains unencrypted passwords.
00:30<stderr>asenal: Did you check that already?
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00:32<stderr>Feveth: Well, some of it is better than before...
00:33<stderr>You still have the problem with only 4MB of DRAM, so you would need to limit the color depth.
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00:34<Feveth>Alright.
00:34<stderr>But at least it doesn't complain about number of screens not matching... Or whatever it was.
00:34<Feveth>Yeah.
00:34<stderr>So it IS using your new config.
00:34<Feveth>That's what I got upon running Xorg -config.
00:35<Feveth>Well. I will now substitute the System Settings panel's reality for my own.
00:35<stderr>In line 167-195 of http://paste.debian.net/26130/ you have the config for your mach64 card.
00:35<stderr>Try commenting out the color depths you can't use.
00:35<stderr>I.e. line 171-178 + line 183-194.
00:36<Feveth>Sec.
00:36<stderr>Leaving only Depth 8.
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00:36<asenal>@stderr:yes,I set '123456' as initial passwd for all users, and they are store as plain-text in the file.
00:37<Feveth>Well, I wanted depth 16.
00:37<stderr>asenal: What are the permissions on that input file?
00:37<stderr>Feveth: Ok, you could try that.
00:38<Feveth>Commenting out everything besides 4, 8 and 16 bits.
00:38<stderr>(1680*1050*2)/(1024*1024) =~ 3.36456298828125 MB, so you should have enough DRAM for 16 bits.
00:38<stderr>4 bits is UGLY!!!
00:38<Feveth>Fine.
00:38<stderr>But it's better than 1. :-)
00:39<Feveth>No shit.
00:39<Feveth>comment out display subsections, aye?
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00:40<stderr>Comment out, delete, whatever...
00:40<Feveth>Commented the shit out of them.
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00:41<Feveth>So. Reboot?
00:41<Feveth>Or, gdm3 restartor shit.
00:42<stderr>gdm3 restart should be a lot faster.
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00:43<Feveth>It produces a black screen of death for some reason.
00:43<Feveth>One only resolvable through a reboot.
00:44<Feveth>Which, from the console state, is only a ctrl+alt+del away.
00:44<Feveth>Stupid Holmes board.
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00:50<Feveth>Well.
00:50<Feveth>Rebooting.
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00:54<asenal>@stderr: privilege of passwd_to_add.txt = 644, rw-r-r. I tried chown/chgrp it to root, chmod to 600/755, none of them works.
00:54<asenal>@stderr, I'm using debian wheezy 7.0.0
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00:54<Feveth>That did absolutely nothing.
00:55<Feveth>Perhaps I'm running on 16 bit...
00:55<Feveth>Still won't show me 1680x1050.
00:57<Feveth>Ideas?
00:57<Feveth>I'm gonna try disabling 16 bit for this.
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00:57<stderr>asenal: Maybe you need to change UID_MIN in /etc/login.defs The default is 1000, but you got uid 176 etc. in the input file.
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00:58<Feveth>Rebooting at 8 bit.
00:58<stderr>Feveth: I'm out of ideas if Depth 8 doesn't work...
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01:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 558] by debhelper
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01:02<Feveth>Absolutely no dice.
01:03<Feveth>Commented out everything but depth 8.
01:03<Feveth>Guess what, doesn't even change to depth 8.
01:03<stderr>And the log?
01:03<Feveth>Moment.
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01:05<bfmt048> how to install sublime text 2 in ubuntu 12.10
01:05<Feveth>This is Debian help, sir.
01:05<stderr>!ubuntu
01:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
01:06<Feveth>But I will suggest you sudo apt-get install packagename, packagename being the name of the sublime text 2 package.
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01:07<dudu>right... maybe I installed like three times before... I just don't know how to add the directory to my path
01:07<Feveth>http://paste.debian.net/26143/ 9th chicken on the raft, hopefully the last.
01:07<Feveth>It's tiring running after then,
01:07<Feveth>them
01:08<stderr>dudu: Did you try running it as your own user?
01:08<dudu>i just find it in /usr/local/bin
01:09<Feveth>It spits out 268 to 344 upon login, possibly even more since it goes way off the 864 pixel height I got available.
01:10<dudu>and yes, now works in the terminal by my normal user
01:10<stderr>Feveth: Line 125... Try adding a Display subsection in the config. One with a DefaultDepth of 8 or 16.
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01:11<Feveth>Shit.
01:11<Feveth>Where in the config?
01:11<stderr>In the Screen1 section. Line 167-195
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01:11<Feveth>Right.
01:12<stderr>Wait, that didn't really make sense...
01:12<Feveth>There's loads of display subsections here...
01:12<stderr>You got Display sections...
01:12<Feveth>Uh.
01:12<Feveth>Defaultdepth 8 for each?
01:13<besar>hallo,...apa khabar
01:13<Feveth>Well, each active one.
01:13<stderr>Try adding a DefaultDepth 8 (or 16) line in the section, not in the subsections.
01:13<Feveth>Alright.
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01:14<Feveth>Starting at DD16.
01:14<Feveth>That sounded too wrong, well.
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01:19<stderr><stderr> asenal: Maybe you need to change UID_MIN in /etc/login.defs The default is 1000, but you got uid 176 etc. in the input file.
01:19<stderr>Not sure, if you saw that earlier.
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01:20<Feveth>That's ten chickens on a sunken raft. The eleventh is yours, the problem is fixed and I am running at 1680x1050x16, thanks to DefaultDepth and your presence here today.
01:21<Feveth>And as a plus, I'll know all this for the next time I try fucking with shit.
01:21<stderr>Well, that was easy... :-)
01:23<Feveth>It's never the simple things.
01:24<Feveth>GUI is running faster too.
01:25<stderr>Faster than what?
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01:25<Feveth>Before, which was slower than a snail, and now isn't.
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01:26<Feveth>A properly set videocard takes some load off the processor, which is a huge bonus on a single core.
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01:26<Feveth>Single core > Clock cycle management is crucial.
01:26<stderr>What resolution were you using earlier?
01:26<stderr>And depth?
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01:27<Feveth>It was stuck at 1152x864x24/32.
01:28<stderr>Ok.
01:28<Feveth>Refreshing being back at native for the love of god.
01:28<Feveth>Now a display readjust and everything's pitch perfect.
01:29<Feveth>Well, almost.
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01:29<Feveth>This 220C is lovely.
01:29<Feveth>Philips 220C.
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01:29<Feveth>They use the 190C (1440x900) variant at school.
01:30<Feveth>Much like a mini 220c, it's funny to look at.
01:30<Feveth>Looks/functions the exact same pretty much. Bezel and shit is pretty much designed to match. I'm just gonna bet there's a 250C with 1080p.
01:31<stderr>If you one day doesn't have anything better to do, you should look into this message: [ 39.613] (II) MACH64(0): Storing hardware cursor image at 0xF53FFC00.
01:31<Feveth>Which I have considerable room for, considering there's space at least ~5 inches in each direction from the sides and probably a couple yards to the ceiling.
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01:31<stderr>That's right in the middle of the 8MB of DRAM and probably the reason why you can only use 4MB.
01:31<Feveth>That's the cursor image being stored at memory address 0xF53FFC00 if I understand correctly.
01:33<Feveth>It's not at the 4mb mark actually. More like around the ~5.25-5.50mb mark if my calculations are right.
01:33<Feveth>Center bits are 0xEFFFFFFF and 0xF0000000.
01:34<stderr>If it's possible to place the image at another location, maybe you can access to a bit more of the 8MB DRAM.
01:34<Feveth>That would sure be cool to do.
01:34<stderr>And then maybe switch to 24 bit display.
01:34<Feveth>Don't know if that's possible though.
01:35<Feveth>But sure, somebody somewhere sometime will develop something along the lines of a VRAM file system/allocation util.
01:35<Feveth>Which would probably bear a name not too far from vrfs.
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01:36<Feveth>You know Flare?
01:36<Feveth>Very diablo-esque game.
01:36<stderr>I don't really play games.
01:37<Feveth>Still Diablo-esque and soothing. 2D.
01:37<Feveth>Runs at a sane framerate on 450MHz.
01:38<Feveth>I'm wondering if emulated Mode 7 will lag.
01:39<Feveth>Which is what I'm going to test.
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01:40<Feveth>I sorta like this lag as this game requires you to act fast.
01:40<Feveth>Thing is, it slows it down.þ
01:40<stderr>Feveth: I think I got an idea...
01:40<Feveth>Go ahead.
01:41<Feveth>You thinking no cursor?
01:41<stderr>Line 115, try removing the # and set the option to false.
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01:41<stderr>And Line 129, set software cursor true.
01:41<Feveth>Arright, sec.
01:42<Feveth>Oh: Add/Remove Software is querying with sane speeds too. The CPU isn't dumping a fuckton of cycles into, well. Graphics.
01:42<Feveth>Which is what doubled the distro's speeds after your fixes.
01:42<stderr>:-)
01:43<Feveth>Which #? Both?
01:43<stderr>I would set hardware cursor false and software true.
01:44<stderr>One of them is probably enough, but hey... :-)
01:44<Feveth>Arright.
01:44<Feveth>Yeah, I went all out recursive back in a failed attempt.
01:44<Feveth>Depth this.
01:44<Feveth>DefaultDepth this.
01:44<Feveth>etc
01:44<Feveth>Well.+
01:44<Feveth>Back to terminal, whee.
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01:44<Feveth>What makes you think the cursor is HW?
01:44<Feveth>The VRAM addr?
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01:46<stderr>[ 39.613] (II) MACH64(0): Storing hardware cursor image at 0xF53FFC00.
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01:46<stderr>The fact that it says "hardware cursor". :-)
01:46<Feveth>Alright.
01:47<Feveth>Option "hw_cursor" "true" looks proper to you? Or should true be without quotes?
01:47<Feveth>Well, atleast states "True"/"False", so...
01:47<Feveth>But is the # removal proper?
01:48<stderr># are comments. You want those option to be used, so you don't want them as comments.
01:49<Feveth>Right. Remove both bangs, I take it?
01:49<Feveth>The bool # confuses me.
01:49<stderr>Yes, remove both.
01:50<stderr>Or Option "hw_cursor" "false" # [<bool>] if you want to keep the last comments...
01:50<Feveth>God no.
01:51<stderr>In http://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.7/doc/ati.txt 5.11, they call them HWCursor and SWCursor...
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01:51<stderr>But that page is from 2002, so...
01:52<Feveth>Worth a try.
01:52<Feveth>4mb is enough for 24/32?
01:52<Feveth>Debian outputs a max of 32.
01:52<stderr>1680*1050*4 = 7056000
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01:53<stderr>BRB...
01:53<Feveth>k
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01:56<Feveth>Reboot meanwhile you brb. Defaultdepthing 24 for risk.
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02:01<Feveth>No dice at 1680x1050 with sw cursor instead of hw cursor.
02:02<stderr>Log?
02:03<Feveth>Sec.
02:04<Feveth>It does acknowledge hw_cursor false and sw_cursor true though.
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02:07<Feveth>http://paste.debian.net/26161/ Here's your log.
02:07<Feveth>128 and 129.
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02:09<stderr>Around line 257 was what I was looking for.
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02:10<Feveth>Right.
02:10<Feveth>No dice?
02:11<stderr>I don't know how we can get it up to 8 MB. :-/
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02:11<Feveth>Shit.
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02:12<stderr>Feveth: If you one day run Knoppix or Ubuntu or whatever and notice that it's running at 1680x1050x24 (or 32), grab a copy of the config and the log.
02:13<stderr>But until then 1680x1050x16 will have to do. (Remember to switch hardware cursor back on. It should be a bit faster...)
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02:16<Feveth>Sure.
02:16<ryan1>hi
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02:18<Feveth>I'm not about to use Knoppix any time soon but sure as hell that config will be stolen.
02:19<Feveth>I might just trash Server 2003 since I know it far better.
02:19<Feveth>That is, trash it onto the 10 gig drive.
02:19<Feveth>We're not done talking either.
02:19<Feveth>I'm gonna continue pestering you tomorrow.
02:19<Feveth>But now, I'm going to go.
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02:19<Feveth>6:21AM.
02:19<Feveth>Goodnight.
02:20<Feveth>Thank you for everything so far.
02:20<stderr>08:20 here...
02:20<Feveth>o
02:20<Feveth>Oh shit.
02:20<stderr>And I haven't slept either... :-)
02:20<Feveth>There's festivities happening in this place. I'm going to sleep to get some junk food in due time, lol
02:20<Feveth>Well.
02:20<Feveth>Seeyou tomorrow.
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02:23<gijs>debian does not ant to install. At least the whole installation process goes fine and at the end I remove the CDROM and the system reboot to only boot up with GRUB
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02:24<gijs>When I try to install Xubuntu the installation sees the Debian installation on the HD
02:25<gijs>any suggestions?
02:26<peter1138>it's normal to boot up with GRUB
02:26<stderr>When it boots up with grub, is the grub menu empty or what?
02:26<gijs>how do I get into the graphical user interface
02:27<rohara>What?
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02:27<rohara>Select the distro from GRUB and it will boot.
02:27<gijs>when booting up I get entering GRUB and that's it
02:27<rohara>What GRUB menu?
02:27<gijs>no menu whatsoever
02:27<rohara>Does it list your distros or does it give you the rescue prompt
02:27<gijs>rescue prompt only
02:27<rohara>Ah. That's a pain.
02:28<rohara>You can fix the GRUB menu from a live disk or you can boot from the GRUB menu with the correct input
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02:28<gijs>how do I get a live disk and how do I fix this?
02:29<stderr>Try booting from the CD again. There should be a rescue option.
02:30<gijs>OK will give it a shot
02:31<gijs>what do you suggest I am in the graphical GNU/Linux installer menu
02:32<gijs>I don't want to do another 3 hour long installation
02:32<stderr>Find the rescue option.
02:32<gijs>is there anything in the advanced option I should try?
02:33<rohara>http://askubuntu.com/questions/197833/recovering-from-grub-rescue-crash
02:33<rohara>Just boot from the rescue prompt
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02:33<gijs>OK going for the rescue option
02:35<gijs>well does not look good
02:35<gijs>I was too eager
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02:36<gijs>tried to reinstall the GRUB boot loader and here it goes wrong.
02:37<gijs>get following message
02:37<mahen>any one have idea about Zorin OS
02:37<mahen>?
02:37<stderr>!zorin
02:37<dpkg>Zorin OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.zorin-os.com/ #zorinos on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
02:37<rohara>gijs: can you pastebin the entire thing
02:37<gijs>unable to installl GRUB in executing 'grub installer' failed this is a fatal error
02:37<rohara>what
02:37<rohara>What did you run as root?
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02:38<gijs>difficult, the machine I try to image is not the same I use for chattinig
02:38<mahen>is zoring work with ubuntu server ?
02:38<stderr>mahen: No idea. It's not supported in here.
02:38<gijs>No idea what I run as root
02:38<rohara>gjerich_: what command did you use?
02:38<gijs>not so good in Linux
02:38<rohara>What ...? What gave you that error....
02:39<gijs>did the rescue from the debian install disk in the graphical mode
02:39<stderr>mahen: Try #zorinos on irc.freenode.net (as dpkg already said).
02:41<gijs>OK think got GRUB reinstalled
02:41<gijs>forgot to enter the destination where to install it
02:41<gijs>but still the same issue
02:42<gijs>It only boots up in grub rescue mode
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02:42<gijs>on which partition does grub needs to be installed
02:42<gijs>I have 3 or 4 option
02:42<gijs>options
02:43<amrowaazzam>hello mentor
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02:46<stderr>gijs: If you're only running Linux on that system, the MBR is the most common choice. If you're dual-booting, I have no idea what people usually do.
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02:48<gijs>I am planning to only use Linux on it
02:49<gijs>in the rescue mode I have chosen /dev/sda1 as root file system
02:50<stderr>In that case, I would say install grub to the master boot record.
02:50<gijs>and reinstalling GRUB on /dev/sda which seems to work
02:50<gijs>however rebooting still gives me only the GRUB rescue prompt
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02:52<gijs>and the error is 'out of disk' entering rescue mode....
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02:52<stderr>I haven't seen that error before.
02:53<gijs>In the PC BIOS I do see the hard disk.
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03:40<petrol91>Hi, I've bought pc with 500GB HDD and 24GB SDD, and I'm partitioning it now. I would like to place '/bin' '/sbin' '/lib' '/usr' '/sys' and '/usr/bin' '/usr/lib'. I don't know how exacly should i do it. Could you give me some advice?
03:41<petrol91>place those directories on SSD
03:43<Calinou>you define the mounting points on the SSD
03:44<Calinou>(you will need to use GPT to make more than 4 real partitions)
03:44<petrol91>Calinou: i know, but problem is size of this partitions
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03:46<petrol91>In my opinion it would be grate to make i one for all those directories
03:46<petrol91>great
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03:48<Calinou>make one partition for /, and /home on HDD?
03:48<Calinou>24GB is probably enough for system
03:48<Calinou>I use 30GB root partition
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03:51<petrol91>Calinou: in this situation i need to create '/usr/share' '/srv' '/var' etc partitions
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03:53<petrol91>7,6M /bin/; 11M /sbin/; 401M /lib/; 819M /usr/bin/; 27M /usr/sbin/; 4,1G /usr/lib/
03:54<petrol91>that is my current ussage of this directories
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04:51<wiseeebou>hello, I read the Debian FAQ about stable and testing but I still don't know which version to choose. I want the lastest softwares but I have a limited knowledge in administration of Debian. Any advice ?
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04:52<slush>start with stable first, get to know Debian
04:52<slush>you can upgrade to testing later
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04:57<Calinou>then use testing
04:57<Calinou>and even testing doesn't have "latest softwares"
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04:58<wiseeebou>I forgot to say that I have 2 computers on Debian Stable, 1 for family which is ok for them but to me I use firefox extensions to manage cookies and iceweasel on stable doesn't support it so I have to upgrade for the lastest version of iceweasel for that. Is testing really unstable ? I mean if I do only apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (so no adding/removing new package) I guess I cannot kill my debia
04:58<wiseeebou>n right ?
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04:59<Calinou>testing is fairly stable, you may find bugs in obscure packages few people use though
04:59<Calinou>it's half-rolling release too
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05:01<wiseeebou>ok first I will check if my computer is fully supported, may I expect that testing will support more my computer than stable ?
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05:07<txt-file>petrol91: why do you want an extra partition for everything?
05:08<petrol91>i dont
05:08<petrol91>but i did
05:08<petrol91>:)
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05:09<txt-file>wiseeebou: normally yes … because old driver are normally not removed but new driver are added
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05:10<wiseeebou>ok thanks txt-file
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05:10<petrol91>boot -> 256MiB; bin -> 256; sbin->256; lib->1024; /usr/bin -> 4GiB; /sur/sbin->256MiB; /usr/lib/ - >16Gib
05:11<txt-file>e.g. I have a wireless nic which got official support in linux 3.10 … I don't think that the driver gets backportet
05:12<txt-file>petrol91: I hope this is on a llvm … otherwise partition resize is pain in the ass
05:12<petrol91>unfortuanly not
05:13<petrol91>txt-file: do you have any ide how could i part 500GB hdd an 24 GB SDD
05:13<petrol91>?
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05:16<txt-file>I have here a 2TB hdd and a 32GB ssd which are parted:
05:16<txt-file>ssd: 10GiB / … 4.6GiB /home and the remaining as /media/ssd (for compiling stuff)
05:16<txt-file>hdd: all the space as /media/data
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05:32<petrol91>How about crating one ssd partion and symlinking directories?
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05:35<txt-file>do not really undetstand what you mean
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05:39<petrol91>i dlike to create one partion on sdd and then symilnik bin sbin lib ... onto it
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05:57<txt-file>why do you not want to have one partition on the ssd and have all the file in it?
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05:59<michiel>hey
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06:00<michiel>anyone who can point me to a debian package guide that has the most recent best practices?
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06:00<michiel>*packaging guide, I should add
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06:02<babilen>michiel: I would recommend reading http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ + http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.html (if you plan to use git and gbp) -- Please also note that packaging questions are specifically handled in #debian-mentors so you might want to ask more specific ones there.
06:02<michiel>ack. Thanks.
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06:20<petrol91>txt-file: i dont want to have 6 partions for binaries just one
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06:26<buckstabu>Hi, guys. Is there any possible way to transmit mumble's audio stream to icecast without using GUI client?
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06:28<buckstabu>I want to hold my mumble listener on a server
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06:29<buckstabu>Oh, sorry, guys, wrong tab in IRC
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06:38<txt-file>petrol91: then just use one partition for / …
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07:23<tabasco>nice day
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07:25<Feveth|2>Morning stderr.
07:25<Feveth|2>I'm bback and fot news.
07:25<Feveth|2>back and got news*
07:26<Feveth|2>Mum's working in a gllery down at the peninsula here. The town is Garður, Iceland.
07:26<Feveth|2>So, she's arguing with Thais, not locals really.
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07:27<Feveth|2>Now guess what they did. Placed a table at the door of the gallery, planted a tree skeleton about five feet away from the building and specifically close to the staircase down to the basement level from outside and have thrown the tent itself into the basement, so that a toilet there, that is supposed to be accessible to my dad's radio amateur team during a contest they have this weekend is not ac
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07:27<Feveth|2>Tent skeleton*
07:28<Feveth|2>not accessible at all.
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07:28<Feveth|2>Felt like going there to throw crap.
07:30<babilen>Feveth|2: I am under the impression that you were looking for a different channel. :-/
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07:30<Feveth>Not looking for a different channel. Chapter two at Debian muckabout is today. Gonna get a Matrox G200 driver running.
07:31<Feveth>Or, if you want, point me to the folder the X binaries are located in.
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07:31<Feveth>Well, the /etc/X11R6 equivalent,
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07:32<Feveth>Know where that folder is?
07:32<babilen>Feveth: I still fail to see how "Mum's working in a gllery down at the peninsula here. The town is Garður, Iceland" is relevant to this channel. I would recommend to join #debian-offtopic if you want to chat and to focus on support questions in here.
07:32<babilen>dpkg: tell Feveth -about empty xorg.conf
07:32<babilen>dpkg: tell Feveth -about xorg.conf.d
07:32<Feveth>I am not looking for xorg.con.
07:32<Feveth>xorg.conf*
07:32<Feveth>I'm looking for the folder the X binaries are located in
07:33<Feveth>Since the damn driver wants that.+
07:33<babilen> /etc/X11/xorg.conf is obsolete - Please read the messages the bot sent you
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07:34<Feveth>That is exactly what I am NOT looking for.
07:34<Feveth>I am not looking for configuration files.
07:34<babilen>Feveth: I would create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-matrox.conf with something like https://paste.debian.net/26227/ in there (adjust YOUR_DRIVER in there to your liking)
07:34<Feveth>I am looking for the folder the actual X binaries are located in.
07:34<babilen>why?
07:34<Feveth>Because I am trying to install the driver for it, and it wants exactly that folder.
07:35<babilen>judd: i xserver-xorg-video-mga
07:35<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-mga (x11, optional) in wheezy/i386: X.Org X server -- MGA display driver. Version: 1:1.5.0-3; Size: 117.8k; Installed: 268k
07:35<babilen>Feveth: ^^^ is that not what you want?
07:35<Feveth>That is exactly what I do not want.
07:35<Feveth>I do not have the driver installed.
07:35<Feveth>I want to install the driver.
07:35<Feveth>This is a proprietary driver.
07:35<Feveth>The installation binary does not want configuration files.
07:36<Feveth>It wants the binary folder of X.
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07:36<Feveth>As I said, the /etc/X11R6 equivalent.
07:36<babilen>alright, as always you find binaries in the usual locations. X is, unsurprisingly, in /usr/bin/X but you might want to take a look at the output of "dpkg -L xserver-xorg" and "dpkg -L xserver-xorg-core"
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07:37<Feveth>And I don't know a lot about Linux's filestructure so I am oblivious to that?
07:37<babilen>Feveth: Binaries were never installed in /etc/ - Not in /etc/X11R6 and not in the currently used /etc/X11/
07:37<babilen>The equivalent of /etc/X11R6 is, however, /etc/X11/
07:37<Feveth>Okay I guess.
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07:39<Feveth>I also got the cursor image right in the middle of VRAM.
07:39<Feveth>Blocking off ~4MB of 8.
07:39<babilen>Feveth: Any particular reason *why* xserver-xorg-video-mga is not what you want?
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07:40<Feveth>I am trying to install the proprietary driver.
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07:41<Feveth>And I want the proprietary driver because it is not crap.
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07:44<babilen>Feveth: Okay, good luck
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07:47<Feveth>It's an install.sh.
07:48<Feveth>In a tar.gz.
07:48<Feveth>Not really fun.
07:48<Feveth>But that's what it is.
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07:52<Feveth>No dice at either.
07:52<Feveth>That's the 12th chicken on a second raft.
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07:54<Feveth>I might just install Server 2003.
07:54<Feveth>This has been nothing but hassle.
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07:54<XReaper>That's ...
07:54<XReaper>old
07:54<XReaper>:/
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07:54<rohara>2003 was only 10 years ago.
07:54<rohara>;D
07:55<snogglethorpe>><
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07:59<snogglethorpe>hmm, what do you bet that the proprietary driver is _also_ crap...?
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08:02<Calinou>it usually is
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08:21<musca>a proprietary driver for MGA on a 3.X kernel? hmm, i see big, dark clouds slightly above this operator.
08:22<abrotman>for which MGA device?
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08:24<musca>Matrox G200 -- but the case was almost an hour ago. scroll error here, sorry.
08:24<abrotman>there is no need for a proprietary driver for that card .. it's like 12 years old
08:25<musca>everybody said that, yes.
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08:28<babilen>abrotman: I agree but Feveth was adamant that (s)he does not want the driver that comes with Xorg. *shrug*
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08:29<abrotman>babilen: can't fix crazy :)
08:31*abrotman wonders where on the matrox site someone found a proprietary driver for g200
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08:34<piper>as someone that used both the g200 and the g400max and the install.sh he/she was trying to install was probably kano's script going way back in kanotix :)
08:36<musca>I tried an ancient PentiumPro system with a MGA100 with 2MB video RAM two years ago. Though xorg started, it was pretty unusable because of massive artefacts.
08:36<petrol91>I've formated partitons to ext and btrfs and i have problem because mounting by label works on ext but not on btrfs? do you know what the problem is?
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08:41<musca>petrol91: UUIDs are in general the way to go. why did you choose labels?
08:41<musca>!UUID
08:41<dpkg>A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with 'blkid'. In /etc/fstab, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. UUIDs help to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
08:42<musca>!btrfs gotchas
08:42<dpkg>i guess btrfs gotchas is https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas
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08:44<musca>petrol91: what is the exact error message on mounting your btrfs volume?
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08:50<petrol91>musca: no such partition found
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08:50<petrol91>moun -L DATA /mnt/DATA
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08:52<musca>well, your partition already has a UUID. use blkid to find out.
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08:54<petrol91>i see that there is problem with mounting it by /dev/... to
08:54<petrol91>need to find punt whats going on
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08:56<petrol91>blkid returns corect labels
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08:59<musca>according to manpage mount has "-U uuid" option.
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09:01<petrol91>musca: i am moron, my partition has 32MB instead of 32GB
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09:03<musca>heh, i like clearly defined reasons for strange behaviour of computers.
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09:29<flips^>am I right that older PC might have trouble with hybrid-isos dd'ed to usb thumb drives, where newer PCs usually don't? (trying to boot a really old ibm thinkpad that doesn't have CD drive ...)
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09:32<dvs>flips^: Yes, because older computers might not be able to boot from USB
09:33<flips^>dvs: the bios seems to know the concept of usb in boot order, though
09:33<flips^>(external devices or what is was called)
09:34<dvs>Then again, IBM rarely follows the common standards.
09:34*flips^ is installing to a thumbdrive, to see if that makes any difference
09:34<flips^>yeah, the bios was weird ....
09:35<flips^>build quality seems to be quite outstanding, though :)
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09:57<nocturnal>http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apbs04.html#preseed-l10n I'm upgrading my netboot setup from squeeze to wheezy. so far so good but wheezy asks for keyboard layout. graphically the name I need to select is "Svensk" (Swedish). but according to the docs I should write as follows http://paste.debian.net/26274/ but it's not working
09:57<nocturnal>or maybe it's installation language
09:57<nocturnal>it's something new
09:57<nocturnal>because my preseed.cfg has worked in squeeze
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09:58<nocturnal>hmm I guess I should try appending it to the boot options
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10:03<nocturnal>keymap=sv in pxelinux.cfg/default seems to have worked!
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10:04<flips^>nocturnal: this sounds familiar, but I can't remember what I ended up doing (choosing norwegian keyboard layout), maybe I put in a postinstall-script (preseed is/was not too well documented, so postinst-config seemed to be quicker for quite a few tasks, and lasted across major version upgrades)
10:04<flips^>ah, you found it
10:04<nocturnal>=)
10:05<flips^>pre- and postinst fixing :)
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10:34<Vikinger>problem with network on debian
10:34<Vikinger>anyone ?
10:36<nocturnal>you need to be more specific
10:37<babilen>Vikinger: Works fine here, thanks for asking. ;)
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10:37<Vikinger>w8
10:37<Vikinger>im writing
10:38<Vikinger>its some weird problem with the wireless
10:38<Vikinger>its on when i turn the computer on
10:38<Vikinger>but only lasts 2 or 3 minutes
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10:38<Vikinger>i tried linux mint debian
10:39<Vikinger>and exactly the same
10:39<Vikinger>but if use ubuntu or normal mint (like right now), i have no problems
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10:40<Vikinger>its like it cant stay to long on wireless it always crahses after few minutes
10:40<babilen>Vikinger: Okay, which chipset is that and what do you use to manage the connection? (e.g. show me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network")
10:40<Vikinger>k
10:41<Vikinger>06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT2500 Wireless 802.11bg [1814:0201] (rev 01)
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10:41<Vikinger>its a fresh install
10:41<babilen>Vikinger: It is okay to type longer sentences and use punctuation by the way. I find it much easier to follow along is users adhere to established styles of written communication. :)
10:41<Vikinger>everything is default
10:42<babilen>Vikinger: But you are not using Debian right now, but Linux Mint where "everything works" ?
10:42<Vikinger>i got you babilen, will do from now on.
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10:42<babilen>Vikinger: Thank you very much. I did not meant it condescending or anything. :-D
10:42<babilen>dpkg: rt2500
10:42<dpkg>The Ralink RT2500 802.11g PCI chipset (RT2500/RT2560) is supported by the rt2500pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt2500 . For RT2500USB/RT2571 device support, ask me about <rt2500usb>.
10:42<melmothX>Vikinger: guess you have to add the non-free repo and install http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-ralink
10:43<babilen>Vikinger: That device is a bit of a pain and there are several ways to make it work. As you say that you use Mint right now where everything works could you paste the output of "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i network" to http://paste.debian.net please?
10:43<Vikinger>it has full suport its supose to be out of the box
10:44<babilen>Vikinger: Is your plan to use (pure) Debian eventually, but you cannot do that right now because your wireless is not working as expected?
10:45<Vikinger>Yes, i really want just debian
10:45<flips^>installing wheezy to a thumbdrive, grub-setup fails, says hd0 appears to contain a iso9660 fs ... if I skip-fs-probe, it complains that I'm attempting to install to a disk that has multiple partition labels or both partition label and filesystem. I tried nuking and repartitioning (dd over the first 512 byte and new fdisk, reboot into rescue chroot and again, no difference)
10:45<Vikinger>http://paste.debian.net/26280/ :)
10:46<babilen>Vikinger: Okay, thank you! Which kernel do you use on Mint and how do you manage the connection on Debian and Mint respectively?
10:47<Vikinger>babilen i started with Debian in my incursion to the linux world, and have been drifting around other flavours, now i want back and stay to debian. :)
10:47<babilen>Vikinger: Sure, good idea but we better solve this problem then.
10:48<Vikinger>3.8.0-19-generic, about the connection managing im not sure i havent touch it, so it should be the original by default
10:49<babilen>Vikinger: It is a bit hard to debug if you don't actually use Debian though. All I can tell you is that the module that is used on Mint is also available on Debian. Differences in its behaviour might therefore only be due to a different kernel version. It is relatively easy to install a newer kernel version on Debian stable and that would be the first thing I would try.
10:49<babilen>dpkg: tell Vikinger -about backports
10:49<babilen>dpkg: tell Vikinger -about bdo kernel
10:50<babilen>Vikinger: Another alternative would be to track testing or unstable in which a newer kernel is available already, but these are development releases and they are *not* stable (in Debian's "not changing" sense)
10:50<Vikinger>babilen, tell me one thing, im wiling to buy a new wireless card to solve this problem, what chipset shoulf i buy to avoid any problems and get it working out of the box ?
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10:53<babilen>Vikinger: We can almost certainly get your device working and installing a newer kernel might be all that is needed. I would try to get hold of Intel or Atheros chipsets, but you should investigate in detail if a particular device is supported.
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10:56<Vikinger>babilen: i consider my self not an expert linux user, but also not an amateur, but in this case kernel swithcing and installing is something that ive never did, is there any easy tutorial ?
10:57<babilen>Vikinger: Yes, our bot send you more information some time ago in a private message.
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10:57<babilen>Didn't you receive it or should I elaborate on one of the steps?
10:58<Vikinger>babilen: i still have a big problem i have no network i cant use apt or aptitude. Yes i received it
10:58<babilen>Oh, you have no working network at all?
10:59<Vikinger>i tried with cable
10:59<Vikinger>i also run into some problems
11:00<babilen>Hehe, well -- It is *much* easier if you have a working network connection. Which NIC do you have? (i.e. what does "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" give you?)
11:00<babilen>And what kind of problems did you run into? What have you tried and what happened?
11:00<Vikinger>03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 03)
11:01<babilen>Yeah, that one requires firmware. It should work without problems *if* you use an installer with firmware or make firmware available during the installation.
11:02<babilen>dpkg: tell Vikinger -about firmware image
11:02<babilen>dpkg: tell Vikinger -about installer firmware
11:02<babilen>I'll be back in a second.
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11:06<babilen>Vikinger: Did you install from a netinstall image or from one of the CD1 ro DVD1 ones?
11:07<flips^>the trick: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=512 seek=1 count=2047 ... seems there was some iso9660-stuff stuck there ... I guess I thould always nuke a little bit more in these cases :)
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11:40<Vikinger>babilen i tried first CD1 and then DVD1 and got the same result
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12:09<Driss>HeYYe
12:10<Driss>??
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12:34<kiro>test messege
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12:34<Calinou>kiro: it works :)
12:35<kiro>whow is cool :)
12:35<kiro>На Русском ктонить общается тут?
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12:35<Calinou>!ru
12:35<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
12:36<kiro>#debian-russian
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12:40<Emmanuel>Hello everyone ! I need some help with a ush external hard drive. When I plug it nothing happens. I can't mount it. It's a seagate connected with usb2.
12:40<Emmanuel>http://pastebin.com/dTuyFcqc
12:40<Emmanuel>My kernel is 3.2 amd64
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12:41<Emmanuel>The disk is working with Windows7. Has been ntfs formated. Was able to put 2 pdf file in it. Under linux the LED is ok.
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12:53<devil>for ntfs try ntfs-3g
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12:55<scientes_>^^
12:55<scientes_>missing junction points, but pretty good driver
12:55<scientes_>also kinda slow
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13:01<Emmanuel>devil: I have ntfs-3g installed...
13:01<devil>Emmanuel: did you read the manpage?
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13:03<Emmanuel>devil: for ntfs-3g ? not now, I just cheked it was installed...
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13:06<Emmanuel>devil: ok but it doesn't solve my problem, since I should know the name of the disk and I don't have it...
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13:06<devil>Emmanuel: fdisk -l should show it
13:07<Emmanuel>http://pastebin.com/dTuyFcqc
13:07<Emmanuel>;)
13:07<Emmanuel>devil : fdisk doesn't show it, but lsusb does
13:09<devil>which is strange
13:09<Emmanuel>did you read the pastbin ?
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13:09<devil>yes
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13:10<mshuler>Emmanuel: to rule out a simple thing, is this a drive that may come with one of those two-usb cables and are both power and power+data cable ends plugged in?
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13:11<mshuler>or some external power brick, etc.
13:11<Emmanuel>mshuler: yes. That was a point I was thinking about. Right now I have a simple cable usb 3.0 that I put in a usb 2.0 port
13:11<musca>dmesg | tail -n 20 will give you last messages after hotplugging an usb device
13:12<Emmanuel>but I was wondering if maybe I could need a 2 usb port cable (I don't know the name)
13:13<Emmanuel>musca: http://pastebin.com/L44iv7Rr
13:14<Emmanuel>mshuler: I listen a noise, and the LED is on when I plug the disk with only one usb port. So it's powered and should be working right ?
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13:16<mshuler>to some level of "working" :) if the drive did not come with a two-usb cable in the box, then perhaps it does not need one - I would assume one would be provided, if it was needed
13:17<Emmanuel>mshuler : me too ! but the error at the end of this file is weird... http://pastebin.com/ZheYVGxf
13:17<Emmanuel>Does usb 2.0 and usb 3.0 provide the same power ?
13:17<musca>Emmanuel: i dont see 20 lines, it looks shortened. i think pastebin.com is a bad pasteservive, please use http://paste.debian.net
13:18<musca>*service*
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13:19<Emmanuel>musca: http://paste.debian.net/26340/
13:19<musca>usb 3 allows for more power.
13:20<Emmanuel>this one is terrible : [24972.131073] scsi 9:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
13:20<musca>usb 3 devices may need more power than usb 2 can provide.
13:20<mshuler>searching google for "URB BAD STATUS -71" provides quite a few possibilities
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13:21<Emmanuel>mshuler: will look this in a minute. phone call
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13:32<Emmanuel>ok ok I am back
13:32<Emmanuel>just read that USB3.0 cables are not compatible with 2.0 ???
13:33<musca>true, always use devices with the cable it was delivered with.
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13:34<mshuler>but there appear to be some options that may work (for some level of "working ;)) like blacklisting the uas module or upgrading kernel version
13:34<mshuler>(if the hardware parts are actually correct)
13:35<Emmanuel>musca: I got a 3.0 cable. I plug it in a 2.0 port...
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13:35<musca>Emmanuel: that's ok.
13:36<musca>but you can't connect an ussb2 harddisk with that cable, it's incompatible at the device side.
13:37<musca>see wikipedia, there is a nice table.
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13:37<Emmanuel>musca : the french version of wikipedia got me wrong. I trust you ;)
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13:45<Emmanuel>what is this doing ? sudo modprobe -r uas
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13:48<musca>it removes the uas module from the kernel (not from the disk) if it is not used by another module.
13:49<Emmanuel>just for the session or forever ?
13:49<Emmanuel>is this risky ?
13:50<musca>it will only succeed if the module is not used. The module will be available at next boot.
13:50<Emmanuel>ok. This module is only for usb ?
13:50<musca>i dont know
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13:51<Emmanuel>I have seen that adding : blacklist uas to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf can work to
13:51<Emmanuel>mshuler: blacklisting uas is risky ?
13:52<Emmanuel>USB Attached SCSI (UAS) is a new USB 3.0 protocol that replaces the older USB 2.0 BOT protocol.
13:52<Emmanuel>Found this on the net...
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13:53<roughnecks>that way it won't be loaded anymore, but you can always un-blacklist it
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13:55<Emmanuel>with blacklisting I need to reboot to see if it's work. So I will go with modprobe
13:55<Emmanuel>if something turns bad I can restart and everything would be fine ?
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13:56<roughnecks>try modprobing -r it first; yes, remove the blacklisting and reboot
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13:58<Emmanuel>ok lets go !
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13:59<Emmanuel>it's working guys !
13:59<Emmanuel>The drive is up...
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14:00<Emmanuel>First of all, i would like to thanks you all, roughnecks, musca, mshuler, devil and scientes
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14:00<roughnecks>i'va done nothing :)
14:01<roughnecks>ve*
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14:01<Emmanuel>You answered my newbie question about modprobe ;)
14:03<Emmanuel>ok my flash drives are still working well so I will add blacklist uas to the file.
14:03<Emmanuel>I will log this somewhere, so that I can unblacklist it when my kernel will be upgraded.
14:04<Emmanuel>Linux is nice but sometime it's complicated. And to be frank, today it's working but i don't really understand why. I think I'm saying to my kernel : don't use the usb 3.0 driver but the 2.0. Right ? :D
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14:06<devil>basicaly yes. my guess is, uas is pulled in because of the cable
14:06<roughnecks>i didn't read the whole story, but probably you're right
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14:08<Emmanuel>thanks a lot guys ! Without you I would not have succeded.
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14:13<mshuler>Emmanuel: fwiw, the uas module does not appear to exist in linux-image-3.10-2-amd64, so a blacklist of a non-existent module won't do anything :)
14:13<Emmanuel>mshuler: good to know ;)
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14:20<Emmanuel>roughnecks, mshuler : i don't have a blacklist.conf file in modprobe.d. Should I create it ?
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14:27<roughnecks>i think you can, but maybe things are changed a bit..
14:27<roughnecks>!blacklist.conf
14:27<dpkg>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf is a configuration file owned by <udev>. This file is removed - or renamed to blacklist.conf.dpkg-bak if user-modified - during an upgrade to udev 175-1 and later (Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases). From the udev package changelog: "Removed /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf because all the drivers are not built on Debian kernels."
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14:30<Emmanuel>ok i understand why i don't have the file...
14:31<Emmanuel>I will create the file and tommorow when I will boot i will see if that help to mount my usb HD.
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14:34<petrol>Hi, I have problem ith installing grub-efi, it shouts source_dir does not exists when I'm trying to grub install
14:35<valentin_>who speak russian?
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14:35<mgv>!ru
14:35<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
14:36<valentin_>!ru
14:36<valentin_>???
14:36<mgv>valentin_: join #debian-russian
14:36<valentin_>sank
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14:54<matt_>I am upgrading from squeeze to wheezy. I am currently running # apt-get dist-upgrade. Unfortunately, I chose a very slow server. Is it safe to interrupt #apt-get fist-upgrade with Ctrl-c, edit the sources list to include a faster mirror, and start #apt-get dist-upgrade again?
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14:58<lostatwork>matt_: I did that once and it did not turn out well
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14:59<matt_>lostatwork: was it during the "Get" phase or during the configuration phase?
14:59<Emmanuel>matt_ normally it's ok but the most simple thing is to stop, to purge the .deb you already downloaded and start again
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15:00<lostatwork>matt_: mine was during the configuration stage
15:00<Emmanuel>lostatwork: he is only downloading
15:00<matt_>lostatwork: i can imagine how it would mess things up during the configuration stage; i am in the "Get" phase
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15:00<Emmanuel>for me it is safe !
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15:01<matt_>Emmanuel: it should not really be necessary to purge the already downloaded files, should it?
15:01<lostatwork>yeah that would make sense
15:01<Emmanuel>normally not
15:01<matt_>thanks!
15:02<Emmanuel>the only case you should do it, is if you're not sure the server is uptodate.
15:02<Emmanuel>but for me it's ok, you can go ;)
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15:14<xkosh>is the gnome package broken in sid?
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15:15<xkosh>like, on purpose, or is this a problem on my machine?
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15:15<musca>!gnome status
15:15<dpkg>Status of the GNOME 3.8 <transition> can be found at http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html
15:16<xkosh>monkey reads
15:16<musca>good monkey :)
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15:17<cogito>Is there a lighter alternative to nm-applet?
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15:18<sujay>hi
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15:19<musca>cogito: there is wicd and of course /etc/network/interfaces
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15:20<xkosh>here's my problem: http://paste.debian.net/26381/
15:20<cogito>musca: What do you mean by the last one?
15:20<musca>!interfaces
15:20<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
15:21<musca>cogito: the classic way.
15:21<roughnecks>xkosh: try #debian-next for testing/unstable support
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15:21<cogito>musca: ok, the non-graphical way, thanks
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15:22<cogito>musca: Is wicd the same but lighter?
15:22<musca>similar, don't know if it's really lighter.
15:22<scientes_>use connman
15:22<scientes_>much better
15:23<cogito>scientes: better how?
15:24<xkosh>roughnecks: ok, tnx
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15:29<sheap>looks interesting
15:30<cogito>scientes: Better because it's lighter, because it's more stable, because it's more complete, because it's more customizable or because you like it better.
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15:32<Vikinger>babilen: Fixed it finally :), but i think debian doesnt like me.....
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15:32<rst>hola!
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15:35<babilen>Vikinger: As I said earlier: You have to provide firmware for your ethernet card and install a new kernel for your wifi. You left earlier before I could point out again that the CD1/DVD1 images do *not* contain firmware and that you therefore have to provide it separately. How did you fix it in the end?
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15:39<Vikinger>bought a new wireless card, lolol, the reason why im saying debian doesnt like me is because now that problem is solved, my desktop is freezing after a few minutes. i think it appened after i was tweaking on the advanced settings menu
15:40<sheap>cogito I think because it's slimmer
15:40<sheap>never used it, but from what I've read
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15:42<Vikinger>babilen
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15:55<cogito>If a packages official page is on launchpad.net, does it mean it's from Ubuntu?
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15:57<Out`Of`Control>no
15:58<Out`Of`Control>cogito: but it is for Ubuntu or Ubuntu based
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16:02<cogito>So wicd is sponsored by Ubuntu and connman by Intel and Nokia
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16:03<ferryman>hi does anyone know the software to copy a cd iso image of wheezy to usb stick? thnks
16:04<sheap>wicd is sponsored by ubuntu?
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16:04<sheap>what?
16:04<ferryman>I am using an xp pc to dl the iso image
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16:09<bigjust>ferryman: unetbootin?
16:09<musca>no
16:10<musca>!usb install
16:10<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
16:10<Vikinger>ferryman try unetbootin
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16:11<musca>ferryman: no, unetbootin is known to break the installer
16:11<Vikinger>ferryman google and install unetbootin, thats what it means all these guys manbo jambo
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16:11<Vikinger>musca ive seen it happen but its not so common
16:12<Vikinger>ive just installed Debian with it
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16:12<musca> http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ cleanly writes the untouched image to a usb stick.
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16:13<ferryman>thanks musca and Vikinger
16:13<john>F
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16:14<musca>ferryman: it's typical debian that everybody has his own preferences. You'll find your way :)
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17:45<birch>i have a wall of dmesg errors that look like this, how bad is it? http://paste.debian.net/26421/ eventually i had to powerset the device
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17:46<birch>actually i think this is a better paste http://paste.debian.net/26422/
17:47<birch>it shows the device being offlined
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17:47<birch>i ran badblocks on it before setting up the drive and it came back clean
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17:57<mdik>hey. can anybody tell me what the name of the man-page syntax is?
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17:59<devil>troff, afair
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17:59<dcraig>I bet "man man" would tell you
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18:00<devil>yup
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18:01<mdik>troff, groff, this is very confusing
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18:01<devil>yeah, it's troff and/or groff
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18:03<stderr>You forgot nroff. :-)
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18:03<javier>hola
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18:04<javier>soy nuevo aqui
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18:05<devil>!es
18:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:06<mdik>thanks, devil dcraig and stderr!
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19:16<Vikinger>anyone knows about gnome3 themes ?
19:17<abrotman>they make stuff look pretty
19:17<devil>supposedly
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19:18<Vikinger>indeed, i would like to know where to get and how to install ?
19:18<devil>gnome-look.org?
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19:20*devil is not a gnome user at all
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19:21<abrotman>art.gnome.org ?
19:21<abrotman>oh, i guess it is gnome-look.org now
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19:24<Vikinger>cool
19:24<Vikinger>by the way, somehow i turned on this visual warning
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19:25<Vikinger>the screen blinks, i tought it would be cool, but now is blinking to much its anoying
19:25<Vikinger>and i cant find the place where i turned it on
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19:35<Vikinger>abrotman
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19:37<abrotman>hi?
19:38<sheap>hi!
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19:53<cogito>weird, i removed nm-applet, turned off, turned on and now Iceweasel is not responding
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19:58<cogito>What's x-www-browser?
19:59<Argure>a variable for the default browser
19:59<Argure>one of them, at least.
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20:00<cogito>I killed Iceweasel and then killed the 2 x-www-browser processes and re-opened Iceweasel and now it works
20:02*abrotman looks for context ...
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20:19<cogito>ok, i found out what the problem is. When i use the icon to open the web browser iceweasel bugs but when i use the icon to open iceweasel, then it works
20:19<cogito>on Debian Wheezy Lxde in Virtualbox on winXP
20:22<cogito>So, those this mean that removing nm-applet with synaptic has made the default browser bug?
20:23<cogito>oops does, not those
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20:36<sev>hi guys, I'm attempting to compile the 3.10 kernel from backports, while applying a dsdt fix, I've got a few questions
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20:37<sev>upon installing linux-source package, I get a tar.xz source file(which I unzipped) a patches.xz file and a config directory
20:38<sev>I'm following a guide online, and it's saying I need to apply the patch file to the directory
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20:38<sev>but I have no idea what to do with te config directory
20:39<sev>and also how to apply the patch
20:39<sev>can anyone help me with this?
20:39<sev>thanks in advance
20:41<mshuler>sev: is the guide you are using the Debian Kernel Handbook? If not, it should be :) http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
20:41<cogito>Debian Wheezy Lxde in Virtualbox on winXP. I removed nm-applet with synaptic. Powered-off and back on the virtual machine. Now when i use the icon to open the web browser, iceweasel bugs, but when i use the icon to open iceweasel, then it works. Does this mean the removal has made the default browser bug?
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20:43<sev>mshuler: I'm using this one: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.html
20:43<sev>but I'll also take a look at the one you mentioned
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20:44<mshuler>heh - that link is a 404..
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20:44<sev>oops
20:44<sev>oh I think it's just htm at the end not html
20:44<mshuler>yep - found that
20:44<sev>it's a really long guide
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20:45<mshuler>looks at least recently updated, sev, so if you trust that and the handbook concurs, then I think you have lots of documentation to work with :)
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20:47<sev>true, the one I was following makes no mention of the config folder.. I'll try to read a bit through both and hopefully it will make things clearer
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20:50<sev>thanks for the tip mshuler, commencing reading :]
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20:56<sev>hmm both guides assumed the source file would be tar.bz2, but mine was tar.xz, is this something I should be concerned about?
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21:23<sev>still not sure what the config folder after installing linux-source is for, should I go in and uncompress the one appropriate for my architecture? or are those files used during make menuconfig?
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21:24<sev>I've applied the patch file to the linux source directory, but this config folder is still a mystery
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21:39<cogito>Debian Wheezy Lxde in Virtualbox on winXP. I removed nm-applet with synaptic. Powered-off and back on the virtual machine. Now when i use the icon to open the web browser, iceweasel bugs, but when i use the icon to open iceweasel, then it works. Does this mean the removal has made the default browser bug?
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21:43<sney>what do you mean "iceweasel bugs"
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21:45<sney>cogito: what do you mean "iceweasel bugs"
21:45<sney>or did you crosspost that question and get help somewhere else
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21:46<cogito>sney: I mean that i get notresponding on the title
21:46<sney>so it does launch?
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21:48<cogito>I get a window and a process but nothing inside the window and the process is x-www-browser
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21:49<sney>cogito: what's the output of 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser'
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21:50<cogito>ls: cannot access /etc.alternatives/x-www-browser: No such file or directory
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21:51<sney>cogito: /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser not /etc.alternatives
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21:53<cogito>oops
21:54<cogito>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 13 18:27 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/iceweasel
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21:57<sney>cogito: if you run x-www-browser from that terminal what happens?
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21:58<cogito>sney: I get another iceweasel window
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21:59<sney>and now try the icon on the lxde panel?
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22:02<cogito>sney: can't, i removed it and now i can't find it in the list of available icons
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22:03<sney>can you add an iceweasel icon, for instance?
22:04<cogito>sney: already did when i removed the other
22:04<sney>ok.
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22:05<sney>network-manager didn't cause that, but when you removed gnome-network-manager it probably took some minor gnome component with it, and that's how you lost that icon. hard to track it down, now. but you seem to have everything working.
22:05<cogito>sney: The icon, i removed myself. I still have network-manager, it's just the applet that i removed
22:07<sney>right, you removed the package 'network-manager-gnome' which is a dependency of a few large metapackages, so the metapackage was removed as well as probably another package. and you lost the .desktop file for x-www-browser. oh well
22:07<cogito>sney: My worry is with x-www-browser failing, but now it seems to work and also if the default browser for links is still Iceweasel and still works
22:07<cogito>also, how do i access nm without the applet?
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22:09<sney>beats me, I've only either a) used it with the applet or b) removed it entirely and used interfaces or wicd
22:10<sney>I think wicd is usually what people use with lxde/xfce/etc
22:10<sney>it even has a curses interface if you're insane and use ratpoison
22:10<cogito>but wicd is Ubuntu related
22:12<sney>the wicd developer maintains it for both ubuntu and debian. that's not so weird.
22:13<sney>lots of things in debian are "ubuntu related" - debian and ubuntu share a codebase, obviously, and there's a lot of collaboration that happens at the higher levels
22:13<sney>the distros have different goals but a lot of the fundamentals can be and are shared
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22:14<cogito>i tried gufw and it is "shared" but only shows in Unity
22:15<cogito>can you send me a link so i can see if iceweasel opens correctly
22:15<sney>http://www.debian.org
22:15<sney>you could have also typed /topic
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22:16<sney>,v gufw
22:16<judd>Package: gufw on i386 -- squeeze: 9.10.2-1; jessie: 12.10.0-1; sid: 12.10.0-1; wheezy: 12.10.0-1
22:16<sney>I'm not sure what you meant by "only shows in unity"
22:17<cogito>i mean lxde does not see it and so does not offer it in the menus
22:17<abrotman>wicd isn't Ubuntu related
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22:17<cogito>iceweasel worked so that's done
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22:20<cogito>To test my desktop hardware, should i use a stress test?
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22:26<sney>if you want to.
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22:28<SamB>just don't blame us if this causes it to explode, demolishing your living room
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22:30<sheap>Does anyone know if Morray Allen is on IRC?
22:30<eppa>gah!
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22:31<themill>sheap: why?
22:31<sheap>I want to ask him a question about his talk that he gave a debconf
22:31<cogito>SamB: are these destruction tests or simply heavy load tests?
22:31<themill>sheap: ah -- an email would probably do better. (he's in utterly the wrong TZ to be around atm)
22:32<sney>some day I shall go to a debconf.
22:32<lostson>I would like to as well
22:32<SamB>cogito: I doubt this happens unless you've wired your computer with explosives, but no guarentees ...
22:33<sheap>themill that makes sense haha. I'll try to look for that
22:33<sney>I imagine it'd be moray@debian.org or something close
22:33<cogito>SamB: I don't expect the computer to explode, but i don't want to actually render it useless
22:34<sheap>sney thanks!
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22:34<SamB>cogito: well, if it does end up useless you'll be able to rest assured that it was dodgy and might easily have failed at any time ...
22:35<cogito>SamB: Ok, good that's what i want. To know if the only problem with it is winXP or if the old hardware is also failing.
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22:55<trevesli>hi
22:55<trevesli>hi
22:55<trevesli>hi
22:55<trevesli>hi
22:55<trevesli>hi
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23:03<JeSTeR>my debian server keeps dropping ips so i tried to setup a static block in the interfaces and got a weird error someone help me?
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23:05<Johnny_D>http://pastebin.com/iaS0cAFG <----that is the error
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23:08<sheap>Johnny_D http://pastebin.com/iaS0cAFG
23:08<sheap>oops
23:09<sheap>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1957867
23:09<stderr>Maybe we should see the interfaces file too.
23:09<Johnny_D>http://pastebin.com/MxiWwLxp
23:10<Johnny_D>i copied just the eth0/3
23:10<Johnny_D>as it is all that applies
23:10<stderr>You have eth1 twice. You know that, right?
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23:10<Johnny_D>ya its been fixed
23:10<Johnny_D>sorry
23:11<Johnny_D>think of the first one as eth0
23:11<sheap>(:
23:11<Johnny_D>[;
23:14<Johnny_D>so what ya think....
23:14<Johnny_D>because that thread does not apply to my issue really
23:14<Johnny_D>my issue is debian claims my file exists
23:15<stderr>How about the output of ifconfig?
23:15<Johnny_D>shows my ips however they are all mixed on diffrent eth's
23:16<Johnny_D>i tried to copy the ifconfig and setup exactly the same however same error
23:16<stderr>Can we see it?
23:16<Johnny_D>is networking the only place were inerfaces are config'd?
23:17<Johnny_D>http://pastebin.com/K2N6we01
23:17<Johnny_D>OH and .25 ................. it shows up 2 times
23:17<Johnny_D>forgot that
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23:20<stderr>As far as I can see, the config is fine. Maybe ifdown all the interfaces, check ifconfig if it's empty (except lo of course) and then ifup each of them checking ifconfig after each ifup to see when something goes wrong.
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23:22<Johnny_D>http://pastebin.com/MAN1PYZz
23:23<Johnny_D>same error as server networking restart
23:23<Johnny_D>each of them
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23:24<Johnny_D>same ifconfig -a also
23:24<stderr>auto eth0 and allow-hotplug eth0 doesn't make much sense. Drop one of them.
23:24<Johnny_D>ill drop allow-hotplug
23:25<stderr>You misunderstood me. ifdown all the interfaces. Then ifup eth0. Then check ifconfig. The ifup eth1. Check ifconfig. etc...
23:25<Johnny_D>ok
23:26<cogito>I just installed wicd but it didn't remove anything from nm
23:26<Johnny_D>ifdown: interface eth3 not configured
23:26<Johnny_D>:\
23:26<stderr>Johnny_D: Your last pastebin did say: Failed to bring up eth3.
23:27<birch>i have a full 700mb debian wheexy image on a usb but it always goes into install mode, if i want to just use command line i can still use a virtual terminal right?
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23:35<birch>I'm following this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=884556 to remove raids (debian system not ubuntu). But I'm not seeing anything listed as an md* drive. fdisk -l shows the drives and listed as Linux raid autodetect. How else can I find the names of the raids to delete them?
23:36<birch>Is there a different fdisk or mdadm list command?
23:36<birch>debian obviously recognizes the raid because I was able to install to them
23:38<stderr>Check /proc/mdstat
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23:39<birch>stderr, "Personalities: unused devices: <none>"
23:40<sney>then you don't have any md arrays configured. fdisk still shows them because it's just reading the partition table, nothing else
23:41<birch>that's odd because they are md raids
23:41<birch>maybe this live image isn't recognizing them
23:41<birch>i need to remove the raid and zero the drives
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23:42<birch>i'll see what the system's os says and then try an update live image
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23:45<Johnny_D>ok im lost
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23:45<Johnny_D>looked everywhere for another config...nothing to grep except the one im messing with
23:46<birch>stderr, sney the system says /dev/md125 126 127 but i can't really remove the raids from here because the raids contain the os. is there something that i need to do to get the liveimage to recognize the raids?
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23:48<stderr>mdadm --assemble ...
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23:51<grateful>can somebody please dns onoj.in and see if they get an ip
23:51<grateful>i don't think my bind9 is setup right
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23:52<stderr>grateful: No.
23:52<stderr>onoj.in. 86400 IN NS ns1.onoj.in.
23:52<stderr>onoj.in. 86400 IN NS ns2.onoj.in.
23:52<stderr>dig: couldn't get address for 'ns1.onoj.in': no more
23:53<grateful>ill pastebin my zone files
23:53-!-piper is now known as piper_
23:53<stderr>The problem isn't in your zone files as far as I can tell.
23:53<stderr>.in doesn't know where ns1.onoj.in is.
23:54<stderr>You need some glue records in the .in. zone.
23:54-!-sabian2008 [~sabian200@190.191.141.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:54<grateful>http://pastebin.ca/2433321
23:55-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@c211-30-207-73.thorn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] by FloodServ
23:56<themill>grateful: I get a rather different record with a different serial.
23:56<grateful>so maybe it just hasn't updated?
23:57<stderr>I think your SOA record is weird... ns2.onoj.in. should be an email-address.
23:57<stderr>[05:54:01] <stderr> You need some glue records in the .in. zone.
23:57<birch>stderr, sney i'm on the live image but i need to get to a bash virtual terminal, rescue mode is too minimal. how do i do this? thanks
23:57<grateful>ill google glue records
23:57<themill>also missing dots on names
23:58<grateful>ns1. ? etc
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23:58<themill>lines 10 and 11
23:58<stderr>themill: I'm surprised you can look it up. I can't.
23:58<grateful>there we go
23:58<grateful>i think the dots did it
23:59<themill>stderr: yeah, I'm probably getting a stale record and you've got the new one
23:59<grateful>resolves for me now
23:59<grateful>thanks guys
23:59<grateful>much appreciated
23:59<stderr>I didn't get anything. It looked like .in didn't know about the nameservers.
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