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---Logopened Sun Aug 18 00:00:00 2013
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00:00<stderr>But yeah, it works for me know, so I guess I misread the output of dig +trace
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00:01<stderr>grateful: About the serial, most people use YYYYMMDDxx as the serial. Makes it easy to see when the record was last updated.
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00:01<stderr>And check the format of SOA records...
00:02<birch>stderr, sney where is the md config file that i need to look in?
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00:03<stderr>birch: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but it's often stored in (the first? blocks of) the partitions too.
00:04<Guest3661>was md originated in the larch language?
00:04<birch>stderr, i'm in the rescue mode console but it doesn't recognize the devices in the config file. do i need to boot the system, copy that mdadm.conf, and then type that into the rescue mode version?
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00:05<stderr>The config might not be the real thing. The partitions will tell the real truth.
00:05<stderr>You just want to remove the partitions, right?
00:05<birch>stderr, how do i tell from that?
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00:05<birch>i want to remove the md raids so that i can zero the drives and start from scratch.
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00:05<birch>i want to kill the raid, the filesystems, the partitions
00:06<birch>the quickest way possible
00:06<stderr>Any other partitions on the disks?
00:06*SamB would think you could just zero them
00:06<SamB>I mean you won't have any raid metadata if they're zeroed ...
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00:07<stderr>SamB: Sometimes you can, but you could risk the RAID rebuilding the "failed" disk.
00:07<birch>stderr, there are 3 drives raid 5 (should only be 1 partition) and 2 drives raid 1 (with two partitions across the drives)
00:07<SamB>well, yeah, you'd want the raid thingy offline first ...
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00:08<birch>stderr, so how do i kill this thing?
00:08<stderr>birch: For the first one, just remove the partitions.
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00:09<birch>stderr, can you please tell me the commands? thanks
00:09<stderr>For the second, I'm not sure what you mean... Can we see fdisk -l
00:09<stderr>fdisk /dev/sd-whatever remove partition...
00:10<birch>stderr, it would be hard to copy all of it because i'm chatting on a different system. what parts of the fdisk -l do you need?
00:11<stderr>You have /dev/sda with /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 (and the same for /dev/sdb)... The raid is /dev/sda1 + /dev/sdb1? What's /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2?
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00:14<birch>stderr, without being able to look in whatever relevant config file has this one the system, my educated guess is that the setup is: [raid 1] sda1, sdc1; [raid1] sda2, sdc2; [raid5] sdb1, sde1, sdd1. Yes, sdb and sdc are switched.
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00:15<stderr>birch: And you just want to delete _everything_ on all 5 disks?
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00:16<birch>stderr, i want to nuke it all
00:16<neo1691>Hello Everyone
00:16<birch>i'm starting from fresh. it's an old raid that should have died long ago :-\
00:16<neo1691>I ran apt-get remove debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring and now I don't have apt installed
00:16<stderr>birch: dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/sda Repeat for /dev/sdb and so on.
00:16<neo1691>any help
00:16<stderr>And make sure the raids are off while you do that.
00:17<birch>stderr, won't the md raid try and rebuild?
00:17<stderr>That's why you want the raid to be off... :-)
00:17<birch>stderr, right, but i'm having trouble doing that step. how can i turn it off?
00:18<stderr>neo1691: Does apt-cache show apt give any output?
00:18<neo1691>bash: apt-cache: command not found stderr
00:18<neo1691>I think I still have aptitude installed
00:18<birch>stderr, do i need to edit fstab?
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00:19<stderr>neo1691: Sorry, wasn't think. apt-cache is part of the apt package. :-) aptitude install apt might work.
00:19<neo1691>I just ran the command apt-get remove debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring
00:19<neo1691>It removed almost most of the things!!
00:20<stderr>birch: mdadm --stop /dev/md0 or whatever they're called.
00:20*SamB thinks apt probably ought to ask for extra-sure verification about removing apt
00:20<stderr>neo1691: I'm not going to ask WHY you would remove those...
00:21<birch>stderr, mdadm doesn't recognize them, as i said before. i _need_ to have mdadm recognize them first, as i asked for help above.
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00:21<birch>is fstab the right file to edit?
00:21<stderr>neo1691: Did aptitude install apt work?
00:21<themill>SamB: "Yes, do as I say" is not enough?
00:21<stderr>birch: If mdadm doesn't recognize them, they should be off.
00:22<neo1691>stderr: Yes, its working haven't installed anything though, would you like to check what all was removed? I'll paste the packages here?
00:22<SamB>themill: oh it does?
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00:22<birch>stderr, well they haven't been assembled yet by the live image, but if i boot to the debian system then the raids work fine. so by "off" do you mean not assembled before zeroing, or do i need to tell them to be totally off in some other way?
00:22<SamB>I haven't tried that -- or at least not lately ...
00:22<themill>SamB: it considers itself to be Essential: yes, even though it isn't
00:23<stderr>neo1691: I don't know which packages you want / don't want.
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00:23<SamB>yeah, that ... really ought to have tipped neo1691 off ...
00:23<neo1691>stderr: Its giving me this error
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00:23<stderr>neo1691: But if apt and aptitude is installed, just reinstall what you're missing.
00:23<neo1691>W: Unable to read /etc/apt/preferences.d/ - DirectoryExists (2: No such file or directory)
00:23<neo1691>W: Unable to read /etc/apt/preferences.d/ - DirectoryExists (2: No such file or directory)
00:23<neo1691>E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/file could not be found.
00:23<neo1691>E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/file could not be found.
00:23<neo1691>E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download
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00:24<SamB>looks hosed :-(
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00:25<birch>stderr, thoughts?
00:25<stderr>SamB: Yeah, that doesn't look too good...
00:25<SamB>also like aptitude should be depending on apt somehow or other
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00:25<neo1691>Its giving me the errors, I thought they would come in one line :P
00:26<stderr>birch: Either remove the partitions from the live image or mdadm --stop them for the debian system, then delete the partitions.
00:26<SamB>neo1691: looks kind of hosed :-(
00:26<birch>stderr, but how can i stop the md raid while i'm running the system? hm, maybe it would wokr because it is a raid, hm
00:26<neo1691>I think a reinstall is on the way
00:26<stderr>neo1691: Maybe you could download the .deb package yourself and then dpkg -i apt*.deb ?
00:27<SamB>neo1691: in the future, when apt requires you to say "Yes, do as I say" before proceeding, *don't*
00:27<neo1691>SamB: Learned that the hard way
00:27<neo1691>stderr: Yes that should be an option
00:27<stderr>And don't remove the keyrings...
00:28<stderr>i386, amd64 or something else?
00:28<SamB>stderr: that would at least have been an error from which he could have recovered pretty easily, modulo paranoia ...
00:29<stderr>neo1691: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/
00:29<SamB>I mean if that were all that was removed ...
00:29<stderr>SamB: Yes... As I said, I won't ask why he wanted to remove those. :-) Someone else might ask...
00:30<neo1691>stderr: Actually I was getting an warning regarding the authentication of packages everytime, so I wanted to remove the keyrings and reinstall them
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00:30<neo1691>But then it messed up
00:30<SamB>yeah, it seems apt demands the keyring (with good reason; if you want to use some other distribution then install their apt and use their support channel ...)
00:31<stderr>neo1691: You can reinstall without removing.
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00:32<neo1691>I have remove a lot of packages, http://pastebin.com/uMpsn0Nq hopefully I will get them back
00:33<stderr>neo1691: Get apt from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/ dpkg -i apt*.deb Then install those packages.
00:34<neo1691>stderr: will the squezzy package work for wheezy?
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00:34<neo1691>or should I use synaptic, I have that installed
00:34<stderr>Something wrong with the wheezy package?
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00:35<neo1691>got apt from debian.org stable packages
00:35<birch>stderr, i can't stop the two raids as the drives are running, help?
00:36<stderr>Can't you remove the partitions from the live image?
00:39<birch>stderr, will removing the partitions also remove the raid?
00:40<stderr>If /dev/sda1 doesn't exist, the raid can't really use it, can it?
00:41<birch>stderr, good point but does the raid still exist in some form?
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00:42<stderr>It shouldn't... To be safe, remove it from /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf too.
00:42<birch>stderr, from the system before the live image?
00:43<stderr>Yes.
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00:49<birch>stderr, removed that and fstab
00:49<stderr>Ok.
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00:51<neo1691>stderr: I installed debian-archive-keyring and installed apt, but now when I install the packages it says some packages could not be authenticated
00:52<neo1691>ok running apt-key update solved the above problem :P
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00:53<TWC>hi
00:54<birch>stderr, do i end with 'w' or 'v'?
00:54<stderr>?
00:55<neo1691>Okay everything is back to normal, I problem was and still is that when I install any package, it gives me a warning that the packages cannot be authenticated. I have set my repository to the three dvds of debian so all packages get installed from the dvd, without the internet
00:55<birch>stderr, fdisk to finish deleting i use the 'w' command to write instead of the 'v' command to verify?
00:56<stderr>w
00:56<birch>TWC explain yourself
00:56<birch>* Received a DCC CHAT offer from TWC
00:56<birch>* DCC CHAT to TWC aborted.
00:57<birch>^^uncool
00:57<birch>stderr, okies no more partitions.
00:58<TWC>partitions for what ???
00:58<birch>stderr, should i be set without zeroing or is that necessary to ensure that i can now install?
01:00<stderr>I would zero the blocks (using badblocks), but I think you can do without.
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01:02<birch>stderr, how long does that usually take? badblocks -c 10240 -s -w -t random -v /dev/sdb that command?
01:03<birch>i need an op
01:03<birch>!op
01:03<stderr>I normally don't use -c and -t and it take a long time.
01:04<birch>TWC is spamming me with file transfer requests
01:04<birch>really scammy
01:04<birch>i need an op to respond
01:04<themill>TWC: stop that
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01:05<birch>that's odd behavior, isn't he a regular here?
01:05<themill>you might be thinking of TWB
01:06<birch>ahhh
01:06<birch>right
01:06<birch>* TWC has offered sww (72510 bytes)
01:06<birch>* DCC RECV sww to TWC aborted.
01:06<birch>that's lame
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01:35<andres_>hello
01:35<andres_>any one
01:36<andres_>can some one help me
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01:37<birch>night, thanks for the help stderr sney themill
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02:58<vika>Privet vsem
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03:02<ixi>!ru
03:02<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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03:07<samantha-r->i've got a 10g file on a remote machine that i've downloaded, but the md5s do not match. the remote is known-good; the local is known-bad. is there a tool that can fix this without having to redownload the whole 10g file over my slow link? rsync -trvhP does NOT see the difference between the two files and skips right over them.
03:09<txt-file>rsync has a "-c" for comparison by checksum … but I do not know if this will only checksum the whole file
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03:10<samantha-r->let's find out. :)
03:10<Supaplex>samantha-r-: -I
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03:12<txt-file>Supaplex: do you know what rsync checks when -I is given?
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03:12<Supaplex> -I, --ignore-times don't skip files that match size and time
03:13<Supaplex>yeah. it has a fairly useful man page.
03:13<txt-file>I can read the man page
03:14<samantha-r->i'm attempting -I but i believe it's repeating a check already done the first time i ran rsync (and the times were all different). i'll know in about 3 minutes.
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03:16<Supaplex>by now it's likely the timestamp and sizes are the same. samantha-r- what os is source and destination? I've seen windows implementations default to ascii (eg, \r and \n are not calculated in the result)
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03:17<samantha-r->Supaplex, source is ubuntu, destination is debian. md5sum in progress.
03:18<samantha-r->hmm. after -I the md5s are the same. we'll see if it unpacks correctly (it's a .tar.bz2)
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03:34<samantha-r->w00t looks like -I fixed it. thank you.
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03:55<txt-file>Are Magic SysRq enabled in debian?
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04:00<arand>afaik, yes
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04:10<txt-file>weird … it did not work for me a few minutes ago
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04:12<Supaplex>txt-file: cat /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq see also https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt
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06:24<mongrol>hmmm
06:26<musca>hello mongrol
06:26<mongrol>just checking...
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06:40<Vikinger>print screen key does not activate take screenshot prog, how do i change this
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06:42<Vikinger>anyone is getting what im asking ?
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06:43<ixi>Vikinger not sure about print screen key
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06:43<Supaplex>I think that's a gnome thing.
06:43<ixi>but if you need to get screenshot, you can use a tool called scrot
06:43<Supaplex>well, depends on the WM.
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06:43<ixi>you can also directly 'import' a screenshot from inside a 'New' menu in GIMP
06:43<Supaplex>or gimp, or a handful of others.
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06:44<ixi>just throwing options out there
06:44<Supaplex>!tell Vikinger -about search
06:44<Supaplex>and some more ideas via dpkg factoid
06:44<musca>Vikinger: true, my KDE starts ksnapshot
06:44<Tiff>can remap the prtscr key, check WM's keybindings area
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06:44<musca>looks like ordinary hotkey, i think.
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06:45<Vikinger>yes, ixi i can do that but its a lot faster to press the key, i can not import the screenshot on gimp or any other if only press the print screen key, its like missing a link that tells the system when i press printscreen what to do
06:45<Tiff><Tiff> check WM's keybindings area
06:46<mc68040>Vikinger: what desktop environment you use?
06:46<Vikinger>gnome3
06:47<mc68040>Vikinger: i have there a special section in system seetings/keyboard/keyboard shortcuts for screen shots
06:47<hugendubel>Hi. I'm looking to install linux on my laptop, but there are some files I want to save. I created a new partition using gparted, using a live linux flash drive, I was thinking about moving my files into that partition before the installation, install linux on the other ext4 partition and use the larger partition for files,
06:47<mc68040>s/seetings/settings/
06:47<hugendubel>I am not quite sure how that might work
06:47<hugendubel>can anyone help?
06:48<Tiff>hugendubel: would work fine if you didn't tell the partitioner to format that partition
06:48<ixi>no reason why that wouldnt work
06:49<Tiff>of course i'd prob recommend taking another backup off that disk anyway for safety
06:49<ixi>yup
06:50<hugendubel>Tiff so when the installer asks about partitions, I just install to the smaller partition and then I leave the other one alone? I am really just concerned how I can tell the installer that, I've only done one debian install, and wiped the drive entirely
06:51<mc68040>Vikinger: the screenshots i make like this are automatically stored in ~/Pictures folder
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06:51<ixi>I would recommend having separate partitions for / and for /home
06:51<Tiff>you could even mount the other one as /home/ ensuring not to format it. you need to choose the manual partitioning option and be careful.
06:51<Tiff>suggest researching the partitioning process and becoming familiar with it
06:52<hugendubel>alright
06:53<hugendubel>I have another question. I'm not sure if I can use x64 or not
06:53<Tiff>(i just made an assumption about the filesystem there that it is a *nix one)
06:53<ixi>what kind of processor do you have
06:54<ixi>most of the modern desktop/laptop/server processors are 64 bit
06:54<hugendubel>Tiff: its ext4, so yeah. ixi: I just want to make sure. I ran lshw a while ago, the processor was 64 bit, but the motherboard was 32
06:55<ixi>to get a definitive answer, you could boot your live usb system, do a `cat /proc/cpuinfo` and look for 'lm' flag in 'flags :' line
06:55<ixi>if lm is there, it's 64bit
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06:57<hugendubel>ixi: theres lm
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06:57<ixi>use 64bit linux then
06:57<hugendubel>thanks Tiff and ixi
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07:00<Vikinger>mc68040 after chanching systemsetting/keyboard/shortcuts i can now paste it into gimp, but i still cant get this screenshot window asking me where to save the photo.
07:01<mc68040>Vikinger: as said the screenshots are saved in ~/Pictures - i dont know how to change
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07:02<neo1691>Hello Debian!!
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07:04<Vikinger>thank you mc68040
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07:05<EnjoLamas>any body here?
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07:05<ixi>!ask
07:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:06<cae>are there any explanations why a fresh 7.1 installation inside qemu-kvm lacks the /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net*rules? The interfaces keep turning around at reboots and/or adding more NICs
07:07<cae>did I miss a new way to do this? All my other machines upgrades from Squeeze and older do have that file and it works
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07:09<EnjoLamas>hay
07:09<EnjoLamas>any body here?
07:09<EnjoLamas>i'n from indonesian
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07:12<mongrol>hi
07:12<mongrol>bye
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07:27<Vikinger>i turned on visual warning, by blinking the screen, now i want do deactivate it because its starting to be anoying always blinking each time i press a wrong key, but i forgot where did i activate it
07:27<Vikinger>does anyone know ?
07:28<mshuler>cae: a couple of ideas - this is udev, so is udev installed? looking at the udev changelog, I see an entry that KVM MAC addresses are ignored as of udev_175-1 http://bugs.debian.org/638159
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07:29<mshuler>Vikinger: by "screen" do you mean your xterminal, screen within xterm, ?? ..
07:29<Vikinger>by screen i mean my entire 24 inch sceen
07:30<rohara>Are you using Gnome?
07:30<Vikinger>yes
07:30<Vikinger>gnome3
07:30<rohara>Try your accessibility options
07:30<Vikinger>ok
07:31<Vikinger>That was it rohara, thank you very much :)
07:31<rohara>:)
07:31<Vikinger>ive been stuck too long to ubuntu
07:32<Vikinger>i have to customize a lot more here
07:32<Vikinger>but thats only good to learn ;)
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07:36<cae>mshuler: udev 175-7.2 is installed and your idea seems to point in the right direction
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07:37<cae>I've tried to comment out the blacklisting (or whatever it is) in /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-gernerator.rules, but it didn't change
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08:25<ferryman>hi I have a wvga 800 X 480 eeepc 701.Which choice should I go for when installing as having video issues with basic install
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08:26<abrotman>choice of what?
08:26<ferryman>I tried expert but it is asking for a video mode which I don't know
08:26<abrotman>so don't use expert?
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08:28<ferryman>i read it worked in expert
08:28<abrotman>!eeepc
08:28<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. Mailing lists: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
08:28<hugendubel>What desktop environment does Debian 7 for amd64 in the live version have in the "standard" version?
08:29<ferryman>but when asked for video mode my seeting is apparently not there
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08:44<Calinou>hugendubel: gnome?
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08:45<abrotman>Calinou: livecd too?
08:46<Calinou>don't know, but probably gnome since it's the default
08:46<Calinou>http://www.debian.org/CD/live/
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08:51<hugendubel>Gnome is listed separately
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08:54<mgv>hugendubel: the standard image has no desktop environment
08:54<mgv>it doesn't even have xorg
08:54<hugendubel>mgv: alright, thanks
08:55<hugendubel>so it"s for advanced users
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08:55<mgv>you can also see what each image contains here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ , look for .contents files
08:57<mgv>the standard image has everything with priority standard or higher, the rescue image has lots of recovery tools and no desktop environment, and the others have the respective desktop environments
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09:23<thomas>Question: When I add a quirk to pm-suspend: pm-suspend --quirk-vbestate-restore on my asys eeepc 1025c the laptop resumes without corrupted video. But I want to make this permanent, and when I add it to /usr/lib/pm-utils/video-quirks/20-video-quirk-pm-asus.quirkdb the video still is corrupted on resume. How can I add the quirk permanently to pm-suspend?
09:24<thomas>See: https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend
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09:34<_aeris_>hello everybody !
09:34<_aeris_>i have some troubles with bluetooth on the 3.10 kernel
09:34<_aeris_>no problem with 3.9
09:34<_aeris_>is there anybody here with the same ?
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09:41<Guest3685>hi people
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09:41<blast007>_aeris_: you'll need to provide more information. If there is output showing the issue, you can paste it to http://paste.debian.net
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09:42<_aeris_>i have no more information :( lsusb view my adaptater, bt-adapter nothing, rfkill nothing to
09:43<blast007>so far you've just said there are "troubles", but not what the issue is
09:44<_aeris_>no bluetooth at all :D
09:44<_aeris_>booting on 3.9.1, bluetooth working, bluez too, can connect to device, play sounds…
09:44<_aeris_>booting on 3.10+51, nothing works
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09:48<arand>_aeris_: I've had issues with usb that was due to obex-client being too new compared to bluez, nothing kernel-related though afaict
09:49<_aeris_>obeix 0.48-1 with bluez 4.101-2
09:49<_aeris_>but seems kernel related because 3.9 is ok and not 3.10
09:51<arand>In my case downgrading to obexd-client_0.46-1+b1 worked.
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09:53<arand>_aeris_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718596
09:53<arand>Sounds like your problem might be different though.
09:54<arand>&> arand__
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09:55<ioerror>is there anyone generally interested in reviewing a thunderbird/icedove package of torbirdy?
09:55<_aeris_>arand__ > no obeix upgrade since a loooooooooooong time
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09:56<_aeris_>2013-08-02 19:17:45 upgrade obexd-client:amd64 0.46-1+b1 0.48-1
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09:56<_aeris_>and as far i remember, bluetooth working at this date
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10:07<arand__>_aeris_: Well, might just be me then :/
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10:50<ymir>in an installer, if you don't click 'Format as', the partition will not be formatted?
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11:10<ekiwok>anyone coud help me with apache2 problem? (28)No space left on device: Unable to create or access scoreboard (anonymous shared memory failure)
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11:11<ekiwok>ipcs -m returns nothing
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11:14<ekiwok>anyone? http://pastebin.com/W2CYJNxc
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11:35<jerry>hello
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11:39<jerry>hello man
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11:49<ekiwok>Can anyone help me with apache2 issue? I cannot start webserver, error.log shows (28)No space left on device: Unable to create or access scoreboard (anonymous shared memory failure)
11:49<sney>ekiwok: 'no space left on device' is typically a disk space issue, what does df -h tell you
11:50<ekiwok>I have free 9,5 G according to df -h
11:50<ekiwok>also free -m says free 563 MB RAM
11:50<sney>what about df -i, are you out of inoes?
11:50<sney>inodes, even
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11:51<ekiwok>6000000 free inodes used 25862 free 597... used 1%
11:51<sney>ok, hmm
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11:52<ekiwok>i googled, but I think it's not semaphore problem, here is my icps -u, ipcs -l http://pastebin.com/W2CYJNxc
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11:53<ekiwok>I thought it may be openVZ problem but my provaider claims everything is ok, I have no idea how to make this webserver running, I've tried nginx with similar issue
11:56<sney>yeah, I have no experience with openvz. it says shared memory failure so maybe something to do with /dev/shm? maybe it's not mounted properly off the vm host? I'm just guessing though
11:56<ekiwok>I do not have kern.shminfo.shmall and similars in /etc/sysctl.conf, shoud I set shmall and shmseg?
11:57<sney>perhaps
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11:58<ekiwok>but I have no idea what values I shoud use
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11:59<ekiwok>stat /dev/shm shows Access: (1777/drwxrwxrwt)
12:01<ianleb>delete system 32, it always works
12:01<TheOnlyJoey>infernix, best windows advice ever
12:01<TheOnlyJoey>ianleb*
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12:02<sney>ekiwok: just google up some common values and try them. it might work or it might not. VPS installs are always weird in some way.
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12:08<ekiwok>sney, it didnt help
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12:11<patryk>hi all
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12:13<patryk>somebody knows how to change password for root???
12:14<ekiwok>patryk, sudo passwd root or # passwd root
12:14<patryk>ekiwok, thx
12:14<ekiwok>patryk, nie ma problemu
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12:15<ekiwok>sney, I found this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/apache/users/411021 but I don't know how to use this information to solve my issue
12:15<patryk>ekiwok, jestes polakiem czy znasz polski? :)
12:15<ekiwok>patryk, of course I am
12:15<patryk>ok :):)
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12:18<Cristian>hello how can i fix this problem: postfix/master[3638]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/qmgr pid 4574 exit status 1, i'm have wheezy +postfix +dovecot im trying to using them with ldap
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12:20<blast007>Cristian: you'd need to provide more information to get help with that
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12:24<Cristian>im trying to set Postfix Virtual Hosting With LDAP Backend, the info was i founded is obsoleted, please help me check this http://paste.debian.net/26670/
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12:25<Cristian>is my postconf -n settings
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12:26<blast007>check the logs as well
12:26<pi>hello guys
12:28<ekiwok>My apache2 now returns No space left on device: unable to create or access scoreboard "/dev/shm/apache_runtime_status" (name-based shared memory failure)
12:28<ekiwok>after i set SocreBoardFile there
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12:34<Cristian>one of the problems is how can i set this parameter: /etc/postfix/transport,, please i need an example
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12:35<Cristian>my mail.log show me that: http://paste.debian.net/26678/
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12:41<ekiwok>when I'm trying to run nginx I have following error: could not access PID file for nginx ... failed!
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12:42<ekiwok>It is said this problem is caused because of not mounted logs directory
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12:46<mdxzero>sorry, I like to know how to kick out win8 from my Pc? Is that complicated? And somebody do know how to accsses into the toshiba bios?
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12:47<ekiwok>mdxzero, you need to turn off safe boot option in BIOS, then simply as that: install debian on all hard drive
12:48<ekiwok>anyone have idea where apache2 and nginx directory: logs shoud be created?
12:48<blast007>mdxzero: I'd recommend that you create recovery DVDs (if available) from within Windows prior to wiping the system, unless the system came with discs
12:48<jmcnaught>ekiwok: in /var/logs/apache2 for apache
12:49<ekiwok>shoud I chown to www-data ?
12:49<blast007>you shouldn't have to do anything to it
12:50<jmcnaught>ekiwok: on my system they're owned by root:adm
12:50<ekiwok>ok, but I'm missing this folder on my VPS, I have only /var/log
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12:50<jmcnaught>ekiwok: it's possible that your apache configuration has been changed from the debian default to put logs somewhere else
12:52<ekiwok>I checked it and it is not changed, configuration is default, I have some weird error about cannot acces scoreboard (from apache2)
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12:53<blast007>ekiwok: maybe you should try a different VPS provider?
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12:53<jmcnaught>ekiwok: well create that /var/log/apache2 directory and maybe you'll start getting log files to help you diagnose
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12:54<mdxzero>sorry, what for a key combination for the BIOS, please
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12:54<blast007>mdxzero: read the user guide for your system
12:55<ekiwok>jmcnaught, I have that directory and it's from my error.log file, I'm wondering abour where shoud be logs folder from documentation: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mpm_common.html#scoreboardfile
12:55<Newbie_admin>hi
12:55<Newbie_admin>Opa
12:55<Chav>Hi. What package do I need if I want to set up my Debian box as a private VPN gateway to the internet for my roaming devices?
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12:55<ekiwok>blast007, Yeah, I definitly shoud, but I paid that one for next year...
12:56<blast007>get a refund :)
12:56<Newbie_admin>To VPN I recommend the Racoon Package because based on IPsec
12:56<ekiwok>blast007, it's easy to say
12:56<TheOnlyJoey>any raspberry pi, great vpn!
12:57<TheOnlyJoey>cheaper then hosting
12:57<Newbie_admin>I would like to know with default kernel of Debian 7 have support the TOMOYO or I need to compile kernel?? Who can help me?
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12:58<jmcnaught>ekiwok: i don't have a ScoreBoardFile directive in my apache config as far as I can tell, so I guess Debian uses the default
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12:58<Chav>TheOnlyJoey: I meant software, not hardware, but thanks. Newbie_admin: looking into it, thanks.
12:58<abderraouf>how to get the KDE version in Sid repo?
12:59<TheOnlyJoey>Chav, i know, but getting a raspi and hosting it yourself is cheaper in the long run then looking for hosting
12:59<Newbie_admin>Tomoyo is kernel security module
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13:00<Chav>TheOnlyJoey: I think you've misunderstood. I have my own hardware, and I want to run a VPN on it. I'm not looking for hosting.
13:00<ekiwok>jmcnaught, if I set ScoreBoardFile to fe. /var/run/apache_runtime_status in /var/log/apache2/error.log I have: No space left on device: unable to create or access scoreboard "/var/run/apache_runtime_status" (name-based shared memory failure)
13:00<blast007>Newbie_admin: I see a 'tomoyo-tools' package in wheezy
13:01<TheOnlyJoey>Chav, ah sorry bout that
13:01<Chav>TheOnlyJoey: np
13:01<ekiwok>jmcnaught, I have enough space on my drive, memory and no semaphores, I read everything from google and nothing helped :(
13:02<jmcnaught>ekiwok: do you have any files in /var/run?
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13:03<ekiwok>jmcnaught, yes
13:04<abderraouf>how to get the KDE version in Sid repo?
13:05<ekiwok>Maybe it's easier to fix nginx, I have in /var/log/nginx/error.log 2013/08/18 21:04:30 [emerg] 2037#0: socket() [::]:80 failed (97: Address family not supported by protocol)
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13:06<TheOnlyJoey>abderraouf, i think people heared you the first time, but could you be more specific? do you want to install the package or just know the current version
13:06<jmcnaught>ekiwok: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/httpserv/ihsdiag/errorlog.html#scoreboarderr
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13:06<abderraouf>TheOnlyJoey, just know the current version
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13:07<jmcnaught>ekiwok: that link recommends a fix, and also mentions that the ScoreBoardFile directive is only needed when a 3rd party application needs to access the web server's shared memory (which it says is rare, and could be why it's not part of the default config)
13:07<ekiwok>jmcnaught, so this clearly shows I have problem with shared memory
13:08<TheOnlyJoey>abderraouf, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/
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13:08<jmcnaught>ekiwok: did you add the ScoreBoardFile directive for a specific reason? do you have an app that requires it? if not maybe try restarting Apache with that directive commented out
13:08<TheOnlyJoey>abderraouf, the latest updates on KDE on debian are on that website
13:09<abderraouf>TheOnlyJoey, ok :)
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13:09<ekiwok>jmcnaught, without scoreboardfile directive I get error: No space left on device: unable to create or access scoreboard "/var/run/apache_runtime_status" (name-based shared memory failure)
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13:10<jmcnaught>ekiwok: sounds to me like the directive is still there. maybe it was in more than one place?
13:12<ekiwok>jmcnaught, I found this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/apache/users/411021 check post #4 but I don't know how to use that knowledge
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13:14<jmcnaught>ekiwok: are you working with a default apache2 installation on wheezy? did you install anything that may have modified the apache configuration?
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13:16<ekiwok>jmcnaught, I'm working with default instalation for squeezee and haven't installed nothing
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13:24<jmcnaught>ekiwok: did you do the install yourself, or did you use an image provided by your VPS host?
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13:31<ekiwok>jmccrohan, I installev via apt-get
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13:31<ekiwok>jmcnaught, I installed via apt-get
13:32<jmcnaught>ekiwok: no i mean debian itself. i'm wondering if you're starting with a broken debian installation
13:32<ekiwok>jmcnaught, now I have SAME error on nginx :/ No space left on device
13:32<ekiwok>jmcnaught, I was wondering about thet either, but my provider says everything is ok and I'm retarded
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13:34<jmcnaught>ekiwok: okay, but how did you install debian in the first place? did you go through the debian installer answering all the questions and choosing partitions etc, or did your provider have a "debian squeeze" template image that was "pre-installed"?
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13:35<ekiwok>jmcnaught, no, I was forced to use "pre-installed" option through Virtualizator (openVZ web panel)
13:36<ekiwok>jmcnaught, I have same problem on debian 5.0, and any other ubuntu image
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13:38<jmcnaught>ekiwok: are you able to use a virtual machine at home (in virtualbox for example)? maybe you could try and verify that the steps you're taking work on a fresh install (that you have control over)
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13:39<ekiwok>jmcnaught, I can do this
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13:40<jmcnaught>ekiwok: then you could either file a detailed trouble ticket with your provider, or at least have a working system to compare your broken one to
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13:43<ekiwok>jmcnaught, I'll try it, but
13:43<ekiwok>I'm affraid I choosed wrong provider ;/
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13:46<jmcnaught>ekiwok: unfortunately there's a lot of crap out there. my personal advice is to avoid OpenVZ offerings
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13:50<albertmorfe>hola
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13:55<PLEXX>hy
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13:55<PLEXX>any body here
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13:56<mirainobris>yes
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13:57<PLEXX>i wana set my user in the sudoers files any body know a tutorial or video about that ?
13:58<ianleb>rtfm
13:58<jmcnaught>PLEXX: https://wiki.debian.org/sudo
13:58<devil>there is ~ 13478 howtos on auntie google on that
13:58<PLEXX>thanks
13:59<pi>:D
13:59<pi>thanks for the hint to google and to use the manual? :D
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13:59<ianleb>ugh depressing
13:59<Chav>devil: lol, Google's more like the dodgy paedo uncle
13:59<PLEXX>haha
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14:01<PLEXX>try this have fun guys http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wiki+debian+sudo
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14:01<ianleb>we are not noobs like you, good day
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14:05<Chav>Hi. Which is a good channel for discussing VPN servers on Debian? I'm new to the topic.
14:06<jmcnaught>Chav: OpenVPN is a popular choice and has a package available in Debian. There's lots of documentation available for OpenVPN on their website and all over the internet
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14:07<Chav>jmcnaught: I'm looking for a VPN server that supports "Cisco IPSec" specifically. Does OpenVPN qualify?
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14:08<jmcnaught>Chav: oh I don't think so. when you asked earlier someone suggested Racoon, did you look into that?
14:09<Chav>jmcnaught: yes, but I can't find a homepage for it.
14:09<Chav>I admit that's probably because i've not looked that long.
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14:12<jmcnaught>Chav: http://ipsec-tools.sourceforge.net/ but that's as far as I can help you as I'm completely unfamiliar with this tool
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14:13<Chav>jmcnaught: Thanks.
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14:26<ayaka>Is any way to mount bind in ro mode ? I can use remount it into ro mode, but how to do it in fstab https://paste.debian.net/26719/ ?
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14:35<ymir>hi, im running debian 7 as live, left for a bit, and im now faced with a login screen after it went to sleep or something. whats the password for a live user?
14:36<wompa>did you try "live"?
14:37<ymir>ill try it
14:37<ymir>worked, thanks
14:37<wompa>np
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14:41<blackwheel>hi guys, I have a question regarding the linux-source-3.10 package from wheezy backports
14:41<Kriss3d>Evening everyone. Uhmm i just got wheezy installed again. For some reason in Debian it finds my graphics card (laptop) as Radeon HD 5800 series but Windows reports my graphics card correctly being ATI FirePro M7820 I installed the firmware-nonfree
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14:42<blackwheel>after doing some research, I have decided I don't need real time preemption
14:42<Kriss3d>It seems that it didnt change as the lspci found the graphics card as HD 5800 when i had just installed Debian. So.. Do i need to manually force a load of another driver and if so.. how ?
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14:42<blackwheel>should I still apply the patch file that comes with said package, even if I don't want to use real time preemption?
14:42<blackwheel>are there other reasons for installing it?
14:43<blackwheel>the reason I don't want real time preemption is that I read significant parts of it have been incorporated already into the kernel itself
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14:45<tata>I am new in linux , I have Debian 7.1 LXDE, and on youtube I get message: install missing plugins, how to install that?
14:46<Kriss3d>tata id suggest using synaptic for that
14:46<Kriss3d>look for flash plugin
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14:46<tata>in synaptic look for flash plugin?
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14:47<gnugr>tata:you need to install flashplugin-nonfree
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14:55<gnugr>Kriss3d:can you please paste for us the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i VGA" (use http://paste.debian.net)
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14:57<Kriss3d>http://paste.debian.net/26727/
14:58<tata>now it ok, I install from synaptic, thanks
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14:59<Kriss3d>my problem is that the card is actually a Radeon FirePro M7820
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15:00<Kriss3d>It seems that the package ive installed is Xserver-org-video-ati
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15:00<Kriss3d>im not sure if i should install somthign else
15:01<gnugr>Kriss3d:check if you have "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" installed
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15:02<Kriss3d>gnugr, I do yes
15:03<gnugr>Kriss3d:did you try the fglrx driver?
15:03<Kriss3d>no. ill try.. does it pick the driver itself or do i have to specify which one to use myself somwhere ?
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15:05<gnugr>Kriss3d:read this to get the idea https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
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15:19<Johnny_D>i am trying to setup a static block in my interfaces config and the static block is corrent but i keep getting this error http://pastebin.com/iaS0cAFG
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15:21<Johnny_D>my static block looks like this http://pastebin.com/KnV2qgtj
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15:22<Johnny_D>here is my ifconfig pastebin.com/sV1UvT70
15:22<Johnny_D>anyone have a clue?
15:23<gnugr>Johnny_D:for static ip configuration check it there https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration (i think is this what you are looking for)
15:23<Johnny_D>well thats how it looks
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15:23<Johnny_D>except for the file exist error that i have
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15:24<Johnny_D>i used that as a template :-P
15:24<blackwheel>does anybody know about realtime preemption and the patch included in linux-source-3.10?
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15:28<Kriss3d>gnugr, it appears that the fglrx dirver isnt autotedected i need to create my own config file.. now. How do i know exactly what my GPU is supposed to be called ?
15:28<gnugr>Kriss3d:lspci will show you all infos about
15:29<Kriss3d>gnugr, yes but it tells me that my graphics card is Radeon HD 5800 series
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15:29<Kriss3d>its a FirePro M7820
15:29<gnugr>yes but you have AMD ATI
15:30<Kriss3d>yes
15:30<Kriss3d>so my GPU in the config file should just be AMD ATI ??
15:30<gnugr>Kriss3d:you sure need the fglrx driver
15:31<Kriss3d>I dont know.. you told me to try it.. I just want my graphics card M7820 firepro to work properly -
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15:34<Kriss3d>well ill reboot and see if anything changed
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15:38<Johnny_D>so anything else i can do to figure it out
15:38<gnugr>blackwheel:read this and see if it can work for https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RT_PREEMPT_HOWTO
15:39<gnugr>s/for/for you
15:39<retop33>when turn on my PC, gnu grub only appearance debian, no windows, how to fix that?
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15:40<gnugr>Johnny_D:did you try the configuration what wiki says? for static ip?
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15:42<gnugr>retop33:with "update-grub" doesn't detect the windows file system?
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15:43<retop33>gnugr: yes not detect win on sda1
15:44<retop33>file manager detect win files
15:44<Johnny_D>ya thats what i followed to set them up in the first place
15:44<chealer>retop33: is os-prober installed?
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15:46<mshuler>Johnny_D: you can't set multiple interfaces as the default gateway for the same network - what problem are you trying to solve by setting up 4 interfaces on the same network?
15:47<Johnny_D>i have 4 cards and 4 statics im trying to set them up static via the interfaces config so they stay on that box
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15:48<mshuler>use a post up script that runs 'ip addr add ...' after one interface is up - a single interface can have multiple addresses
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15:50<mshuler>and dear $deity, don't use interface aliases like is in the NetworkConfiguation wiki page - that is a bit 1990
15:51<Johnny_D>but this way i can segrigate them to multiple VPN's
15:51<mshuler>at the very bottom of the page, Johnny_D - "This /etc/network/interfaces text assigns three IP addresses to eth0." - that's what you want
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15:52<Johnny_D>plus my ISP wont let me push multiple ips to one machine without mu;tiple cards and multipe mac addr
15:53<mshuler>how many physical connections to you have for your upstream ISP connection?
15:53<mshuler>one>
15:53<mshuler>?
15:54<Johnny_D>per machine.... i have 16 statics i may use
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15:54<Johnny_D>but the modem does not support multi per one machine one ip per mac
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15:56<mshuler>but you have only one connection to your ISP? I'm talking wires/ports - not IP addresses..
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15:56<mshuler>I understand you have $X IP addresses - that's doable
15:57<Johnny_D>no i have 4 connections to my hub and
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15:57<mshuler>if you have only one connection to your ISP, how would they know how many machines you have (connected to $somerouterorswitch)
15:57<Johnny_D>4 wires 4 cards
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15:58<mshuler>no, no, no.. are you saying that you have 4 drops from your ISP? Again, I am not talking about what is connected to your machine - I'm asking about what is coming into your house/business from the street
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15:58<Johnny_D>oh 16 static ips on a fiber Vdsl line from at&t
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16:01<Johnny_D>that what your asking
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16:04<mshuler>yeah, you have one drop.. that drop goes to a modem/router that they won't let you replace (I assume..), you have a /28 of static addresses, and the 4 interfaces that you have in one box are plugged into a hub (please, tell me this is really not the case..)
16:05<mshuler>hub, not switch?
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16:05<Johnny_D>my hub is controlled by a cisco router
16:05<Johnny_D>so yes it is the case
16:06<Johnny_D>not some cisco lynksys crap either
16:06<mshuler>evidently, but I'm not sure how they would ever know.. you need actual different MAC addresses to show up to the router?
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16:06<Johnny_D>an actual cisco router 24 port
16:06<mshuler>so it's a router, not a hub
16:06<gnugr>Johnny_D:try this example it might works http://paste.debian.net/26745/ for multiple ip's
16:06<Johnny_D>no its the modem they require it on
16:06<mshuler>you are losing my interest, due to lack of terminology
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16:07<Johnny_D>ok ok i was only allowed to put one ip on the router
16:07<Johnny_D>thats all it would allow from my modem
16:07<mshuler>I would personally put all the addresses on one interface - I've done it 1000s of times
16:08<mshuler>literally
16:08<Johnny_D>so the 4 are DMZ'd threw the router directly to the modem which only allows one ip per mac due to there stupidity at an ISP company
16:09<Johnny_D>the have bridge 0 open but 1 and 2 closed and cascade also closed
16:09<Johnny_D>so thats my issue with them
16:09<Johnny_D>so off that
16:09<mshuler>well.. granted, the boxen I've used with multiple addresses were on a real network, not a jacked up AT&T thing, so apologies if I'm going the wrong way
16:09<Johnny_D>how about if i had 4 eth nics on one box
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16:10<Johnny_D>then i would have there 4 macs and could get atleast 4 ips
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16:10<Johnny_D>i did the whole Veth this with ezmac and stuff but thats so unstable
16:10<Johnny_D>and that was on one interface
16:11<Johnny_D>im already frustrated with this company and comcast is no better with their 5 ips max per customer
16:11<Johnny_D>and they are all thats in the area
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16:12<mshuler>http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r25300749-HOWTO-Route-your-static-block-yourself
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16:13<mshuler>custom kernel for macvlan..
16:13<Johnny_D>:\
16:13<Johnny_D>im interested
16:13<mshuler>guess he only has one interface? dunno
16:14<mshuler>someone, somewhere, has done exactly what you need - the trick is finding that someone's documentation
16:14<Johnny_D>i found it
16:14<Johnny_D>its veth for at&t but its VERY unstable
16:14<Johnny_D>so can i do it my way?
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16:15<Johnny_D>http://forums.att.com/t5/forums/forumtopicprintpage/board-id/uverse-HSIA/message-id/4311/print-single-message/true/page/1 <<<<------ for the next person with the issue
16:16<Johnny_D>but as i said its unstable
16:16<Johnny_D>but it does work
16:17<mshuler>see, here's the screwed up part.. you can put more than one physical interface on a network, but only one can be the default gateway - you can try your previous config, dumping all but one of the gateway lines, but then the outbound traffic will flow out that interface, even if it came in on another..
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16:17<Johnny_D>:\
16:17<mshuler>it's all going to the same upstream connection - you only really have one drop, so it really won't matter in the end..
16:17<Johnny_D>ya thats the issue im having now
16:18<mshuler>I still don't have a good idea of what problem are you trying to solve?
16:18<Johnny_D>but aslong as the ip's stay the same and stay put on the box i wouldn't mind
16:18<Johnny_D>this one right here
16:18<Johnny_D>http://pastebin.com/iaS0cAFG
16:19<Johnny_D>thats saying my file already exists
16:19<mshuler>right.
16:19<Johnny_D>they talking my gateway or a physical file?
16:20<mshuler>What is the end result (other than the configuration problem) that you are trying to solve? What is it that you would like to do with the addresses on one box, that you can't do with only one?
16:20<Johnny_D>thats it
16:20<Johnny_D>the ips are on the cards
16:20<Johnny_D>one per card
16:20<Johnny_D>its only the file issue
16:21*mshuler wanders off to eat food..
16:21<Johnny_D>you see with the modem i can assign what maching gets what ip so they will stay on the card aslong as the card asks for it
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16:30<Johnny_D>ok mshuler how do i wipe out the ether cards and only use eth0 and the try eth0:0 0:1 0:2
16:30<Johnny_D>like wipe them off the machine
16:30<Johnny_D>ifdown doesn't work BTW
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16:38<blackwheel>I'm trying to configure the linux-source 3.10
16:38<blackwheel>and when I use the command make localmodconfig
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16:38<blackwheel>I get an error that v412_compat_ioct132 is not found
16:39<blackwheel>does anybody know what this error means?
16:39<blackwheel>thanks in advance
16:39<blackwheel>I think it says config not found
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16:40<blackwheel>I'm thinking of just going ahead with compilation and ignoring the error but I thought I'd check in here first
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16:42<art>не устанавливается q4wine на debian 7.1 wheezy ядро 3.2
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16:52<mshuler>aaand, he left.. spot on AT&T hackery for the irc logs..: http://forums.att.com/t5/Features-and-How-To/How-to-fake-bridged-mode-with-U-Verse/td-p/2859191
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16:53<mshuler>blackwheel: why are you building 3.10 - I'm running 3.10 from a package :)
16:55<blackwheel>hi mshuler, hmm wasn't aware that there was a package! :O
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16:56<mshuler>blackwheel: are you running Wheezy?
16:56<blackwheel>I am using a custom dsdt file though.. will that keep me from using said package?
16:56<mshuler>I think 3.9 may be in backports
16:56<blackwheel>yes I'm using wheezy
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16:57<blackwheel>ya 3.9 is in there, but since I need to recompile to use a custom dsdt, I figured I'd just use 3.10 because the source was in backports
16:57<mshuler>blackwheel: I'm not sure about your dsdt question (me goes to look at what that is.. :)
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16:57<blackwheel>coolz thanks :}
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16:59<mshuler>blackwheel: still dunno about your dsdt question :( - I guess the answer would be "that depends.."
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17:00<mshuler>it's acpi and firmware related - but that could affect lots of things
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17:00<blackwheel>no problem mshuler thanks for trying, I think there are other ways through grub to use the custom dsdt file
17:01<blackwheel>but just going to try compiling 3.10 without using localmodconfig
17:01<blackwheel>hopefully it works
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17:09<mshuler>3.10 is in backports now
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17:35<tuxedd>modem claro guatemala
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17:57<joe>Hi
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18:19<nfisher>Hi all! i have the problem that my PCI SBLIVE card is not regarded as the default sound output by my system. How can i change that (since flash-movies on YT etc. do not have output)?
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18:28<junk>hello
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18:30<devil_>nfisher: so you have 2 cards?
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18:33<blackwheel>hi guys, I've got a quick question about debian wheezy backports packages
18:33<blackwheel>what does the number after bpo in the title of the package mean?
18:33<blackwheel>for example bpo.1 or bpo.2
18:33<blackwheel>highest number I've seen is bpo.4
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18:34<naijik>salut
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18:35<blackwheel>hellozz
18:36<SynrG>blackwheel: the revision of the backport
18:37<SynrG>that's an old version numbering scheme
18:37<SynrG>should be bpo70+1, bpo70+2, etc.
18:37<SynrG>http://backports.debian.org/Contribute/#index5h3
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18:40<blackwheel>hmm I see thanks SynrG
18:40<blackwheel>I've seen both so it was a bit confusing
18:41*SynrG nods
18:41<blackwheel>the reason I ask is I was about to compile kernel-source 3.10 from backports, but linux-image 3.10 was made available recently
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18:42<blackwheel>and the linux-image had bpo.2 but the source didn't
18:42<blackwheel>so I was unsure whether the image file was updated but the source was older
18:42<blackwheel>but they both are bpo70+1
18:43<SynrG>oh, that's not a version#
18:43<blackwheel>I'm assuming they are the same version of the kernel
18:43<SynrG>sorry
18:43<SynrG>so, you should've said the full name of the package
18:44<SynrG>it appears to be the abi#
18:44<SynrG>linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64
18:44<SynrG>^^ package *name*
18:44<blackwheel>oops my bad
18:44<blackwheel>right that's the one
18:45<blackwheel>and then there is linux-source-3.10
18:45<SynrG>the abi# is "0.bpo.2"
18:45<blackwheel>bpo(70_+1_
18:45<SynrG>just as in non-backports you might have "2" there
18:45<blackwheel>what is the abi#?
18:46<blackwheel>sorry or what does abi# mean
18:46<SynrG>!abi
18:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, abi is application binary interface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface). See also <kernel abi>.
18:46<SynrG>!kernel abi
18:46<dpkg>Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges
18:47<SynrG>so this looks like the 2nd kernel abi for the backport (i guess the 0. prefix just makes it collate correctly in a list?)
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18:48<blackwheel>hmm I partially understand, will have to do some reading in the wiki
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18:50<blackwheel>basically trying to decide whether to compile 3.9 or 3.10(need a custom dsdt fil) and trying to figure out which is more stable
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18:50<blackwheel>I'll have to read into it I suppose
18:51<blackwheel>thanks for your help SynrG
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18:55<SynrG>,versions
18:55<judd>(versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
18:55<SynrG>oops. i meant
18:55<SynrG>,kernels
18:55<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
18:55<SynrG>blackwheel: considering 3.9 isn't even in the debian archives, 3.10 is the only *supported* kernel in debian ...
18:55<SynrG>if you're compiling based on the debian configuration, i would go with 3.10
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18:56<SynrG>then if you have issues (not related to your custom option) you can fall back to the plain debian 3.10 kernel to test & report any bugs
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18:58<blackwheel>hmm, sounds great 3.10 it is. So when you say fall back to the plain kernel, you mean without my customizations?
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19:03<blackwheel>I'm off to compile, thanks again SynrG
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19:46<nfisher>devil_, i do have 1 PCI card (SB5.1live) and 1 onboard, yes
19:48<devil_>nfisher: what you want, is a /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf.
19:48<devil_>nfisher: example is here: http://wiki.siduction.de/index.php?title=Mehrere_Soundkarten_verwalten#1._Die_externe_Soundkarte_als_prim.C3.A4re (in german)
19:48<nfisher>devil_, that means..
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19:50<nfisher>devil_, ok thanks, ll give it a read
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20:53<german>hello!
20:53<SamB>!de
20:53<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
20:53<SamB>or does that nick not have anything to do with preferred language?
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20:54<Supaplex>well, he quit. alas.
20:55<rjsalts>SamB: I think it might be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_%28name%29
20:59<Supaplex>SamB: http://paste.debian.net/26813/
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20:59<blackwheel>hi guys, I'm compiling a linux-source 3.10 for wheezy, and I'm wondering whether or not to use the make localmodconfig script
21:00<blackwheel>I've read that you need to plug in everything you'll need to use into the machine
21:00<blackwheel>is this true?
21:01<blackwheel>and will it make the machine faster if I use make localmodconfig?
21:01<abrotman>judd: kernels
21:01<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
21:01<abrotman>there's a 3.10 in backports, use that
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21:01<SamB>!backports
21:01<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
21:01<blackwheel>the reason I'm compiling is because I've prepared a custom dsdt file due to issue with my backlight
21:04<abrotman>then you should know how to do this
21:04<blackwheel>I'm just wondering about the make localmodconfig option
21:05<blackwheel>do I really need to plug in all peripherals?
21:05<themill>Can't you load a custom dsdt from userspace?
21:06<blackwheel>not that I know of, but I'm still learning
21:06<blackwheel>is there a way?
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21:07<themill>I vaguely remember doing so on some old laptop with kernel 2.6.8ish
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21:08<blackwheel>hmm, I'll try to do some more research, I've tried messing with the backlight setting through grub but didn't really get far
21:08<francisco_>._.
21:08<francisco_>hola?
21:08<themill>!es-social francisco_
21:08<dpkg>francisco_: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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22:29<thatguychuck>I'm getting a module build failure with nvidia-kernel-dkms on the wheezy-backports linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64, http://pastebin.com/WDRicAeX
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22:32<reazem>debian would be more popular with a better website.
22:33<thatguychuck>"Better" is relative.
22:33<reazem>I don't it's relavite when talking about the debian website.
22:34<reazem>relative*
22:34<sney>better is always subjective, though.
22:34<Supaplex>define better.
22:34<SamB>did you accidentally the verb
22:35<sney>maybe it needs more screenshots and simple install guides.
22:35<reazem>I'm a debian fan btw. It's running my server, laptop, and desktop.
22:35<thatguychuck>Ah, nvidia-kernel-dkms in Jessie has been patched for 3.10, but nothing has been backported to wheezy yet.
22:35<reazem>Not only that. make it so that we can find stuff when on the website.
22:35<sney>thatguychuck: aye, I was going to suggest "well use the nvidia driver in backports!" but it doesn't exist yet.
22:36<themill>reazem: I'm sure the web team would be quite happy to received constructive, concrete suggestions with mockups or even better patches
22:36<reazem>Sadly, I can't help with that because I would make it worse lol.
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22:36*SamB proposes a patch to add a "stuff" link that takes you ... somewhere
22:37<sney>well, even just a "I went to debian.org and couldn't find <x>!" bug report would probably be valuable
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22:37<themill>sney: probably not... because it's probably actually there already but just not particularly well ordered. The trouble is everyone wants to have every link possible on the front page but also only the 5 links that they actually want and not all the ones other people want
22:38<reazem>themill: This is a big part of the problem. This isn't an site map, it's a mainpage.
22:38<reazem>*a
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22:39<reazem>Anyone can give me the waltrough of downloading debian testing from the mainpage? I prefer to google it.
22:39<reazem>walktrough*
22:39<abrotman>reazem: you download wheezy, then dist-upgrade
22:40<ckowy>hola a todos
22:40<Supaplex>sed -i s/wheezy/testing/ /etc/apt/sources.list ; aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade
22:40<reazem>abrotman: yeah thats actually way faster than finding the jessy link
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22:40<sney>reazem: what abrotman said. the "testing installer" is pretty broken these days. it lives at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer - but don't expect any of the images from that link to install _anything_
22:41<reazem>Developper Corner (I'm not a dev) => Releases => Testing distrubution => Debian installer page
22:41<sney>a side effect of the debian development cycle is that when testing unfreezes and can run amok, the installer does too. so it's all pretty crazy for a while. it'll probably be ok in november
22:41<SamB>reazem: yeah, but non-devs shouldn't be trying that installer anyway basically
22:42<reazem>I don't agree. Debian testing has worked fine for me for years.
22:42<sney>it is, however, the first google result for 'debian testing installer'
22:42<reazem>EVEN the installer.
22:42<sney>reazem: you're not listening. it's a cycle. sometimes it's fine! many times out of the year it's fine.
22:42<sney>reazem: but the few months after a stable release it is decidedly NOT fine.
22:42<SamB>reazem: I guess you never tried during the thaw
22:43<reazem>I downloaded my last ISO 3 weeks ago.
22:43<abrotman>reazem: then you were lucky
22:43<sney>^
22:43<reazem>Nah, keyboard issues and stuff.
22:43<themill>the jessie installer probably does work just at the moment because it's probably identical to the wheezy installer. Some other week when it's being worked on, anything could happen
22:43<reazem>Still installed.
22:44<sney>sid's pretty nuts right now too. with experience and understanding of how debian operates, that's not a big deal
22:44<sney>debian doesn't just give everyone a red carpet to the testing installer because it could be broken at any given time, and it's nonsensical to give new users that experience
22:44<reazem>no need to be a dev for that.
22:45<sney>sure, but arguably enough experience to know where to find things in the /devel/ section of the website
22:46<abrotman>themill: random reports of it being utterly broken
22:46<reazem>I think debian should also try to get noobs interested. I don't see why ubuntu is better and they are all going with ubuntu because they have decent doc and it's easy to get started.
22:46<sney>since that's also where you'd go to find contact information of a maintainer to hassle them about something, or figure out the reason for some package not being included... and so on
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22:47<chealer>reazem: This channel's topic is Debian support.
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22:48<sney>reazem: I happen to agree with you on that point - except that I don't think it's really debian's problem. they have their hands full making an operating system. I have on and off considered using one of my domains to start an outreach blog, but I generally don't have the time
22:48<sney>besides, debian stable is tied for most popular web server operating system, and that's pretty significant considering it's the most well-known use for a linux system
22:49<ovnicraft>hello i have an issue with evince in my 7.1, is this right place to reported ?
22:49<sney>ovnicraft: you can ask here, yes. if it turns out to be a bug we'll let you know how to report it
22:50<reazem>sney: When I say debian, I include myself. I would say the website team has a big role in that tho. We have everything we need, just gotta present it in the good way.
22:50<reazem>chealer: I didn't know. sorry.
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22:50<sney>reazem: if you want to comply with chealer's suggestion, the place to continue this discussion is #debian-offtopic
22:50<thatguychuck>ovnicraft: Bug reports are a done differently, but if you post your specific problem we may be able to help.
22:51<reazem>sney: Added that to my favourites.
22:51<chealer>ovnicraft: you must mean 7.0.1. This is a support channel. If you want to report an issue in Debian, the ITS at http://bugs.debian.org should be used.
22:51<themill>chealer: it's a BTS and there's no such thing as 7.1
22:51<themill>err 7.0.1
22:52<chealer>themill: oh. sorry, thank you
22:52<chealer>ovnicraft: sorry, you did mean 7.1.
22:53<SamB>yes, we recently got sensible version numbers
22:53<SamB>removed that middle component that was abandoned long ago
22:54<chealer>that's great. it only took 6 years :-)
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23:11<Bitchox>hi people
23:11<sney>hello
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23:14<Bitchox>how are you
23:17<ovnicraft>sney, my evince has not option to highlight text
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23:47<robert>anyone having problems with handbrake restarting machine in debian wheezy?
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23:58*bounce watches debconf 2013 videos
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