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00:00<cogito>kevix: 277MB and there is space on sda
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00:00<kevix>and /dev/sda (and not /dev/sda1 or something) has 277mb free?
00:01<kevix>if it has enought space, it might be a 'permission' issue?
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00:01<cogito>all of sda is free, i just used gparted to make it ext2, there's only a weird lost and found folder
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00:01<kevix>or in rare cases, the partition might be 'read only' media
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00:02<kevix>cogito: can you 'cd' to that sda and make a simple text file and save it?
00:02<kevix>if it fails, so will anything else.
00:02<cogito>kevix: If you give me the commands for it, i can try
00:03<xattr>just touch it
00:03<cogito>hey my root terminal doesn't work anymore
00:04<xattr>lol honestly, cogito, I would wonder if something would work on your machine without problems XD
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00:05<cogito>xattr: hey, i ran stress for an hour and got no errors
00:05<cogito>xattr: it's just me. if anything can go wrong with a computer, it will go wrong while i'm using it
00:05<kevix>if 'ABC' is the directory for sda, then 'cd ABC' 'touch test.txt' and see if that fails.
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00:06<kevix>what is sda mounted as? /var or /home/abc or ?
00:06<xattr>maybe you should go with a more n00b-friendly distro like ubuntu... dunno if debian will make you happy
00:07<cogito>xattr: I tried Ubuntu years ago and it doesn't work
00:07<kevix>xattr: cogito came here for our help. So its nice to give cogito help. And no need to be dispariging.
00:08<cogito>kevix: No idea where is is mounted or as what
00:08<kevix>type 'mount' and that might show some info
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00:08<cogito>maybe /media/travail
00:08<kevix>if it has '/dev/sda' near it?
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00:09<kevix>if so, then 'cd /media/travail' and 'touch test.txt' and see if it fails.....
00:09<kevix>oh well.
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00:12<max__>hi anyone know of an absolute linux beginner channel?
00:12<xattr>yeah #windows
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00:17<kevix>max__: well, people should answer your questions here. So you can try to ask.
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00:17<kevix>kevix: I cant speak for others who want to give less than helpful remarks.
00:18<maxxes>its a boring question, what commands should i look at to try to figure out my how to get my internet dongle going?
00:18<maxxes>us usb_switcher thing one of them?
00:19<sney>shouldn't be. sometimes those dongles need extra packages installed to work, depending on what they are
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00:19<maxxes>ok, well it works on ubuntu, but not on Mint
00:19<sney>what distro are you using right now?
00:20<maxxes>ubuntu lts
00:20<sney>ok, ubuntu isn't supported in #debian and neither is mint
00:20<kevix>if you want to see what your system does, look in /var/log/messages or dmesg
00:20<maxxes>i admit it unashamedly im not good at computers
00:20<sney>if you were using debian we could help you, but you should probably try in #ubuntu on or #linuxmint-help on
00:21<maxxes>in the var log ok
00:21<maxxes>and what am i looking for exactly?
00:21<sney>that's ok just make sure you're asking for help in the right place, if you're in the wrong channel for your operating system people won't have the right information to help you
00:21<kevix>maxxes: to see what messages are in there when you plug in the dongle
00:21<maxxes>ohh, i see
00:21<maxxes>thanks a lot
00:22<kevix>the common way is: type 'tail -f /var/log/messages' and then plug it in and see what happens
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00:22<kevix>that is a general gnu/linux way
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00:22<maxxes>im just writng that down, thanks so much
00:23<kevix>when you do next, depends upon what OS you're using
00:23<bjb>maxxes, try it on the machine that likes the dongle, and the one that doesn't and check the difference
00:23<kevix>also the command 'dmesg' shows info about hardware
00:23<cogito>damn power key, hit it and had a hard time coming back here
00:23<kevix>bad placement of power key
00:23<bjb>type the id string into google along with "linux" to see if there is an extra package to install
00:24<maxxes>it does pick it up, but just doesnt let it connect
00:24<bjb>or workarounds to apply
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00:24<maxxes>good thinking bjb
00:24<kevix>then there might not be an entry about its USB id and such
00:24<maxxes>ill try it on this one
00:24<kevix>or a rule for it with UDEV
00:25<kevix>each dongle has a USB ID that the kernel has to know what to do with
00:25<maxxes>think i need to be root to do that
00:25<afro_>Any tips for improving download rates on wheezy? Downloading an iso right now on my laptop with wheezy, and im at a depressing 147 kb/s. On my desktop using windows 7 i'm downloading a game at 2.2 mb/s
00:25<kevix>using 'sudo' .... and see
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00:26<maxxes>it seems to have a two part ID
00:26<sney>afro_: pause the windows machine's download and see if the other machine speeds up
00:26<kevix>the first is for the maker, the second for the device
00:26<maxxes>ahh, talk about learning curves
00:26<maxxes>i kind of got there, but not quite
00:26<maxxes>thanks again
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00:27<kevix>maxxes: the thing about Unix systems is that the knowlege, once learned is always useful in the future for any distro more or less
00:27<jmcknight>afro_: are you downloading it wirelessly on your laptop or plugged into a router/modem?
00:28<max__>its really weird, i think i dont remember these things, but they sink in with you realising it sometimes
00:28<afro_>sney: lawdy, it shot up to a peak of 600 kb/s. Not quite 2.2 but it's a huge improvement.
00:28<jmcknight>if wirelessly, use something else to confirm it isn't a LAN issue and not a Debian one
00:28<afro_>jmc: both are wireless
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00:28<kevix>well, there are many USB devices and this info applies to all of them
00:28<cogito>Is there a package to install to get the keyboard layout canadian french?
00:29<max__>i think my modem is two modern for my version of mint
00:29<max__>have to fly, thanks
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00:29<afro_>i'll try that, jmc. thank you
00:29<kevix>there is the keyboard in the terminal and for GUI stuff
00:29<sney>afro_: yeah, bandwidth is shared. and some routers will prioritize traffic that started first
00:29<kevix>they have different settings
00:31<cogito>how do i set them both to my layout? i did it earlier, but the commands i used seem to have dissapeared with the reboot
00:32<kevix>if you set the keyboard setting with a keyboard command, then they be temporary.
00:32<kevix>you'd need to edit a file in your home directory to make it permenant.
00:34<cogito>kevix: I'm using debian live so everything is temporary
00:34<cogito>I found it "used setxkbmap" i don't know why apropos keyboard gave me nothing
00:34<kevix>for the GUI, I think you go to the menus: applications->system tools->perferences->system settings->keyboard->layout settings
00:35<cogito>kevix: Using lxde
00:35<kevix>cogito: yes, setxkbmap sounds right. (set X windows KeyBoard Mappings)
00:35<cogito>must be right coz it worked
00:36<kevix>do you see any of those menus?
00:36<cogito>now about that drive, how do i know if i can acesse it?
00:37<kevix>many unix folks keep a notebook (paper) of useful commands. might be useful for future.
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00:37<kevix>did you do 'mount' and see a line that had '/dev/sda' on it and then what directory was listed next to it?
00:38<jmcknight>cogito: you'll need ntfs-3g installed to be able to access your NTFS data
00:38<cogito>kevix: /dev/sda1 on /media/travail type ext2
00:39<cogito>jmcknight: no ntfs data anymore, i'll have to find it all again
00:40<kevix>ok. so 'cd /media/travail' and then 'touch test.txt' and see if it fails
00:40<cogito>jmcknight: My bro might still have most of it
00:41<cogito>kevix: nothing
00:41<kevix>so the device is /dev/sda, the partition is /dev/sda1 and the format is Ext2
00:41<kevix>ok, so do 'ls -l /dev/travail/test.txt'
00:42<kevix>if you see some output, then it made a file and you have permission to read and write files
00:42<kevix>me, I'd use 'wget' to download a file.
00:43<kevix>doh. that should be 'ls -l /media/travail/test.txt'
00:44<kevix>oh, you are root?
00:44<kevix>well, mostly anything should work with root.
00:44<cogito>kevix: yes, how else
00:44<kevix>the file manager you were using probably was not using 'root' permissions.
00:45<cogito>how can i make iceweasel able to write to that disk?
00:45<kevix>most people try to do commands as non-root user unless they have a specific need to do so.
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00:46<kevix>you can change the permissions or the ownership of the containing folder
00:46<cogito>kevix: every time i try as non root i get no such commands
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00:46<kevix>which command?
00:46<SamB>cogito: whatever you do, don't run iceweasel as root
00:46<cogito>kevix: most except man and apropos
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00:47<kevix>what command did you type?
00:47<cogito>so how does that permissions change goes?
00:48<cogito>kevix: Other times i tried so now i always use root terminal
00:48<kevix>I'd like to see what the output of 'ls -l /media/travail/test.txt'
00:48<kevix>I understand the frustration of getting error, but using root is a last resort for any situation.
00:49<kevix>its a matter of system danger, saftey and security.
00:49<kevix>using sudo or su if needed.
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00:50<cogito>kevix: live, su doesn't work
00:50<kevix>sudo then?
00:50<kevix>ok. then the file was created. and since you are root that was expected.
00:51<kevix>type 'ls -l /media/travail'
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00:51<cogito>I opened a terminal no longer root
00:51<kevix>what does 'id' say?
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00:52<cogito>kevix: see for yourself
00:54<cogito>kevix: touch doesn't work without root
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00:55<cogito>Any ideas what the lost+found folder is?
00:56<kevix>its a standard folder created if you have file system issues and it puts recoverd stuff in there
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00:57<kevix>I will make /media/travial 'owned' by 'user' so that touch and download should work
00:57<SamB>kevix: you mean that doesn't get created at mkfs time?
00:57<cogito>kevix: good, how
00:58<kevix>cogito: go to the root termianal
00:58<cogito>SamB: gparted created it when he made it a ext2 partition
00:59<kevix>chown -R user:user /media/travails
00:59<kevix>chown -R user:user /media/travail
00:59<kevix>the last one.
00:59<kevix>(spelling counts)
01:00<kevix>if you run that as root, if will make it read and writeable by 'user'
01:00<kevix>and you should be able to 'touch' a file as 'user'
01:00<cogito>kevix: it did and i did
01:01<cogito>so now download time
01:01<kevix>ok. you should be able to use the filemanager and have it download files there now?
01:01<kevix>assuming that the file manager is used as 'user'
01:03<cogito>As a new linux user, is it good to start with lxde and learn the terminal commands or should i go for kde and ease of use
01:04<kevix>since this is all 'free' stuff and its your time, lean both, when you want.
01:05<kevix>but learning command line stuff provides more knowlege about the system
01:05<cogito>I have a dual core 4300 1.8 and only 2GB of ram
01:05<cogito>and i want to play games with wine
01:06<kevix>I've never really used that, so I've no idea.
01:06<kevix>but you can try it and see how it works
01:07<cogito>I know lxde is lighter on resources and kde is the heaviest
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01:10<kevix>cogito: I think so. So try lxde for a while and then try others.
01:12<cogito>How do i check the cd and then burn the image and make sure it is good?
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01:14<kevix>might be useful:
01:16<cogito>thanks, that what i need, except to test the disk first, to see if it's still good
01:18<kevix>if you can mount it and see files, its good
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01:20<cogito>weird, seems it already as Knoppix on it
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01:21<SamB>maybe use a different one
01:22<cogito>wow i have a cd of DSL and i didn't know
01:23*SamB thinks there must be ELFs hiding in cogito's closet
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01:25<cogito>SamB: It's not the first time windows gets on my nerves
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01:25<SamB>cogito: no, I meant that are burning you these discs
01:26<cogito>SamB: Probably me and i forgot. I also found Open CD v2.0
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01:42<kevix>cogito: ok. you need to apt-get wodim or use what is one the CD/DVD. maybe k3b
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01:43<kevix>cogito: on a menu I see brasero and xfburn on the sound and video menu
01:44<cogito>kevix: On sound and video i have only Music player
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01:49<cogito>kevix: I'm looking at booting from hard disk
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01:53<neo1691>Morning everyone!
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01:55<cogito>neo1691: Good night
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01:55<neo1691>cogito: Cheers!!
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01:57<cogito>Where can i get hd-media/initrd.gz
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01:58<cogito>and also hd-media/vmlinuz
02:00<gsimmons>dpkg: tell cogito -about hd-media
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02:04<cogito>gsimmons: Maybe i'm blind but i don't see the other images section, just net, live, full, book, pre-installed
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02:05<gsimmons>cogito: You don't see the "other images (netboot, usb stick, etc.)" section at ?
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02:06<cogito>gsimmons: Now i see it, i was looking here
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02:24<cogito>How can i empty the trash and defragment an ext2 partition?
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02:25<neo1691>I have installed wheezy with gnome, the version that ships with it! I see that there are no minimize and maximize buttons on the windows? Can you tell me which exact entry that I should edit in dconf-editor?
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02:49<cogito>Why is there 8GB used on an ext2 partition that has less then 900MB of files on it?
02:50<rjsalts>cogito: an unlinked file that is still open?
02:51<rjsalts>cogito: filesystem corruption?
02:51<SamB>lots of tiny files?
02:51<nevyn>it's btrfs ?
02:52<cogito>rjsalts: I created the partition with gparted and right away it had over 7 GB used, i thouht it was the lost+found folder but it's empty
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02:52<nevyn>or some other whacky filesystem that reports badly via df
02:52<rjsalts>he said ext2
02:52<nevyn>is it 900Mb of tiny tiny files?
02:53<Zaba>cogito, how large is the filesystem?
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02:53<cogito>One partition for the whole 500GB disk
02:53<tetrisu>my new debian wheezy install keeps crashing after 30-60 minutes up time
02:54<tetrisu>any ideas?
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02:54<nevyn>cogito: so not just the usual base10 vs base2 thing?
02:54<SamB>tetrisu: failed fans?
02:54<nevyn>8gig of superblocks seems... wrong
02:54<tetrisu>fans are working
02:55<Zaba>superblocks? you probably meant inodes
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02:55<rjsalts>tetrisu: bad ram? you could try memtest86
02:55<SamB>also the filesystem reserves some space for root
02:55<tetrisu>yeah, tried memtest. no problems after several passes
02:55<tetrisu>i can move the mouse but can't click on anything
02:56<rjsalts>tetrisu: so X locks up?
02:56<nevyn>Zaba: no ext2 has superblocks. really it has multiples of them
02:56<tetrisu>can't login to any ttys either
02:56<tetrisu>get errors
02:56<tetrisu>i'm guessing, yeah
02:56<Zaba>nevyn, it backs up the superblock, but that's not what takes up much space
02:56<rjsalts>tetrisu: anything in the Xorg.0.log or whatever is relevant
02:56<tetrisu>well i can click on the activities tab in the corner, but not on any individual rpograms
02:57<jm_>cogito: dumpe2fs -h /dev/... | grep 'Reserved block count'
02:57<kevix>tetrisu: what does 'crashing' mean? you got into X, into gnome, what works and doesnt work
02:57<tetrisu>alright let me see if i can find it. kinda new to linux file system
02:57<nevyn>Zaba: right.
02:57<cogito>jm_: I'm guessing the ... should be the drive
02:58<tetrisu>crashing means all programs freeze up, mouse can move, cannot login to ttys at all, and eventually the screen will either go black or i will just have to hard reset
02:58<jm_>cogito: well you, the actual device file
02:58<rjsalts>SamB, cogito: I thought the reserved space for root didn't show in df
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02:58<Zaba>nevyn, but ext2 has static inode allocation, so space for them is effectively taken up even on an empty filesystem
02:58<SamB>rjsalts: hmm, I guess you're right
02:59<SamB>you can only tell it's there because the free and used numbers don't add up ...
03:00<nevyn>hrm and they're a 2% overhead? seems large.
03:00<tetrisu>okay I'm viewing xorg.0.log but don't know what's relevant
03:01<cogito>nevyn: ya, that's big file system at 2%
03:01<jm_>cogito: you'll need to run it as root
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03:03<tetrisu>pastebin if anyone can parse this:
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03:04<jm_>cogito: there you go, you can see block size in the output too if you omit the pipe
03:04<rjsalts>tetrisu: yeah, there is nothing of interest there
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03:05<tetrisu>okay, thanks
03:05<tetrisu>another avenue i guess
03:05<Powermaniac>Quick question (hopefully) is there an open source flash player for debian?
03:05<cogito>jm_: So the 7+GB is the overhead for ext2, wow big
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03:06<rjsalts>tetrisu: ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/kern.log
03:06<jm_>cogito: no, it's reserved space
03:06<cogito>Is ext3 or 4 better?
03:06<cogito>jm_: reserved for what? root?
03:06<jm_>cogito: yes, you can change it with tune2fs if you want
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03:08<cogito>I tried this but i don't know how to do the grub2 part
03:08<cogito>I'm using debian live from a usb key, wheezy lxde
03:09<dex>hi, i got a problem with a HDD and I would like to know if the fact of not unmounting it could be an important factor for the HDD to be not recognized by the OS (Debian or Windows), the led blinks for several seconds but no HDD is accesible or shown in fdisk -l, is my HDD broken or something???
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03:10<jm_>dex: look at what kernel says about it - dmesg
03:10<jm_>cogito: what are you trying to achieve?
03:11<dex>i can see it
03:11<cogito>jm_: a partition that can be used to install debian on the rest of the disk
03:11<dex>don't know why, last night it was imposible for debian or windows to show the drive
03:11<cogito>jm_: A.2.4. Booting from hard disk
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03:12<dex>uff i am so relieved, thank you all for everything
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03:13<jm_>cogito: why do you care about grub then? debian installer will install grub if you say "Y"
03:13<tetrisu>rjsalts: kern.log from around the time of last crash and a bit from this reboot:
03:14<cogito>jm_: I don't care about grub, the instructions say i have to change the file
03:14<dex>why didn't it work neither in Debian and Windows last night??
03:15<SamB>dex: the drive obviously was tired and needed a good night's rest
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03:15<jm_>cogito: you lost me somewhere far behind
03:16<dex>i would like to know what has happened, anyway i am so relieved that it is not important
03:16<tetrisu>rjsalts: xsession-errors:
03:16<tetrisu>that one seemed to have the words critical in it a few times
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03:17<cogito>jm_: The 2 links are from the installation guide. i got the files linke it says and now it says i have to change grub.cfg, so i got grub2 from the repositories but now i'm stuck
03:18<jm_>cogito: yes because you are looking at the part of the document that's meant for people booting installer from hard disk, how else do you expect to boot into it if not by using a boot loader (i.e. grub)?
03:19<cogito>jm_: Ok, so what do i need to do to make sure the bios knows to load the installer?
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03:20<cogito>jm_: I also downloaded the file boot.img.gz since it was in the same place as the other 2 files i had to download
03:21<tetrisu>is there an easier way to dump various logs? i've just been opening em up in geddit and copy/pasting them
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03:22<jm_>cogito: BIOS won't be able to do this (well except if you're using coreboot), you'll need a boot loader to do it
03:22<jm_>tetrisu: you can use tools like nopaste or pastebinit
03:22<cogito>jm_: Ok, how do i install grub on the disk then
03:23<dex>i can not umount the hdd but i can not see any application opened, how can I know if there is sth opened??
03:23<jm_>cogito: are you trying to install debian from a live USB or somesuch?
03:24<tetrisu>jm_ thanks
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03:25<cogito>jm_: I am presently using the debian live lxde from a usb key, but i downloaded the image of the first cd on the hdd and i want to restart my computer without the usb key and install from the hdd to the hdd (other partition obviously)
03:25<kevix>dex: lsof might show something is open on the partition
03:25<rjsalts>tetrisu: kern.log looks innocuous dunno about the Window manager warning: CurrentTime used to choose focus window; focus window may not be correct. google that
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03:25<tetrisu>okay thank you very much
03:26<kevix>the usb key image does not have a 'install to HD' option?
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03:26<jm_>cogito: I recommend to use debootstrap instead, or simply dump the image on usb key and boot from that
03:26<cogito>kevix: Yes, but i was told the live install isn't the same as the full install
03:27<kevix>cogito: so maybe you have to install a few more packages afterwards or some other issue?
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03:27<dex>it shows lot of lines, which one should i look for??
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03:27<kevix>dex: to you know what partition you want to umount?
03:28<cogito>jm_: Ok, how does using debootstrap work?
03:28<dex>yes /dev/sdb8
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03:29<kevix>dex: so: lsof|grep sdb8
03:29<dex>it appear 3 lines
03:30<tetrisu>found something about intel graphics and kernel maybe being the problem.
03:30<tetrisu>kernel 3.2*
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03:30<dex>root cwd DIR | root rtd DIR | root txt unknown
03:30<cogito>jm_: It starts by assuming familiarity with entering *nix commands, i don't know what those are
03:31<jm_>cogito: then it's probably easiest to dump the installer on a USB key and use that?
03:31<dex>as long as I know I don't have anything opened in the HDD, don't know what that lines mean
03:31<cogito>for now it seems i would be better of burning the iso to cd, what's small easy burner to use
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03:31<kevix>debootstrap involves having a linux system, chrooting, then intalling the basic OS, then kernel and then grub2
03:32<jm_>cogito: iso can be used directly on USB key too as long as it's big enough
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03:32<dex>what shoud I do to unmount the partition??
03:33<jm_>dex: and how do you know it's actually mounted?
03:33<cogito>jm_: My usbkey has the live version on it, i prefer to keep it in case
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03:34<dex>because i can access to its files
03:34<kevix>dex: mount tells you what partitions are mounted and where
03:34<jm_>what does umount say then|?
03:35<jm_>cogito: ok, then use a CD
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03:35<kevix>if you 'umount /dev/sda1' if that is what you want to unmount, it should report nothing if it worked ok.
03:35<dex>yes it is mounted where i told it to be mounted
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03:36<kevix>the common isssue is to having a partition 'in use' and you try to umount and it failes
03:36<cogito>jm_: I need a burning app and i have just 70MB left on the virtual disk so either a very small app or you tell me how to remove all the packages i installed since booting
03:36<dex>/dev/sdb8 on /mnt/temp type ext4 (rw,relatime,user,xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered)
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03:37<kevix>so: umount /dev/sdb8 or umount /mnt/temp
03:37<jm_>cogito: wodim is small CLI tool
03:38<dex>yes, I am trying to unmount but don't know which process is running, I closed everything beforehand
03:38<kevix>jm_: I mentioned a page on the debian wiki that mentioned wodim
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03:38<kevix>dex: if you umount and it doesnt report an error, tht is usually good enough
03:38<dex>/mnt/temp: device is busy
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03:38<jm_>kevix: ahh sorry didn't see that
03:39<jm_>dex: cd / && umount /mnt/temp
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03:39<dex>it doesnt work
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03:39<cogito>kevix: where, when, i missed it
03:39<dex>i went to / before unmounting
03:39<kevix>dex: try 'lsof|grep /mnt/temp'
03:40<dex>it doesnt show anything
03:40<rjsalts>tetrisu: it could definitely be the video card/kernel intersection
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03:41<tetrisu>so upgrading/downgrading the kernel would be at least worth a try?
03:41<rjsalts>tetrisu: you could try the kernel from backports for instance
03:42<dex>what can i do to unmount it?
03:42<jm_>cogito: you thanked kevix for this link earlier :)
03:43<kevix>dex: did you start any programs recently?
03:43<cogito>jm_: ya, but then i tried it and the command failed and i forgot about installing it
03:43<dex>i started vlc
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03:43<dex>and I closed it
03:44<kevix>dex: is vlc access any files on /mnt/temp?
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03:44<tetrisu>rjsalts: alright will look into that
03:45<kevix>dex: are any terminals open? xterm, gnome-term?
03:45<dex>i have several terms opened
03:45<kevix>dex: look at them and do 'cd /' on them
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03:46<kevix>dex: or close them
03:46<stdhell>Or run lsof...
03:47<kevix>he has /dev/sdb8 mounted as /mnt/temp and cant find what is stopping umount
03:47<dex>now it works, i have closed the terminals, opened them again and it works. I don't find an explanation for this since I closed vlc and I was unmountin from /
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03:47<kevix>dex: well, I'd guess one of the terms was 'accessing' /dev/sdb8 :)
03:48<stdhell>kevix: Ok... lsof should tell him what processes have something open on /mnt/temp
03:48<kevix>stdhell: yeah
03:48<dex>how so? I mean how the terminal could be accesing sdb8 if I wasn't exploring the partition directories??
03:49<kevix>no way to tell now
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03:49<stdhell>kevix: Just open all the programs again... :-)
03:49<dex>ok, i'll try to mull it over
03:50<kevix>just more practise
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03:51<dex>thank you all for everything :)
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03:52<kevix>just look for your local LUG (linux users group)
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04:07<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, is it possible and wise to upgrade a wheezy from 32bit to 64bit without starting from scratch?
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04:13<jm_>paranoidphreak: i've done that with squeeze, but why do you want to do this?
04:16<paranoidphreak>jm_: isn't 64bit supposed to be better such as making the system more efficient?
04:16<paranoidphreak>jm_: or should i just scrap the idea alltogether?
04:18<jm_>paranoidphreak: I wouldn't bother if you don't need it, you can also do this
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04:20<paranoidphreak>jm_: ok,, thanks
04:21<jm_>if I was doing it again that's what I would do - 64bit kernel + virtualbox, 32bit for the rest
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04:24<cogito>Thanks all and have a nice night
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04:29<paranoidphreak>jm_: thanks for the suggestion
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04:30<paranoidphreak>jm_: i do run 64bit Windows 7 in Virtualbox though
04:31<jm_>paranoidphreak: no worries
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04:53<stdhell>Didn't work...
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05:08<smashedpotato>hello, is it possible to run debian server on an Android phone (i.e. with ARM Processor)??
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05:09<gloss>hello, is it possible to run debian server on an Android phone (i.e. with ARM Processor)??
05:11<stdhell>If you want to believe this app (and others): Yes
05:11<gloss>will it run like a real system? or emulated inside Android?
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05:12<stdhell>I haven't tried it.
05:13<gloss>Will both the App and Chroot require rooting, right?
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05:14<stdhell>As I said, I haven't tried it, so unless someone else knows, you'll have to do some reading yourself.
05:14<gloss>ok, thanks
05:14<gloss>BTW I like your name ;)
05:15<gloss>stdin, stdout, stdhell
05:15<stdhell>I'm stderr when I'm at home. Right now I'm at work, hence the name...
05:16<gloss>How long have you been debian?
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05:17<stdhell>Since woody.
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05:17<Supaplex>I think I started with potato. :)
05:18<gloss>Sorry but I'm not debian yet, when was that 'woody'??
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05:18*gloss is currently Ubuntu
05:18<dpkg>Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>.
05:19*Rydekull started at slink
05:19<gloss>Thanks Supaplex, dpkg (the bot) :)
05:19<dpkg>Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. Get old potato ISOs here:
05:19<Supaplex>memories... ~sings a bar or two~
05:19<gloss>Supaplex: I thought that 'potato' wasn't a real codename!!
05:19<Rydekull>given, it was an outdated machine, so potato was the 'new'
05:19<Supaplex>gloss: yeah. mr potato head. :)
05:20<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See and ask me about <install squeeze> <squeeze release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.7>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
05:20<dpkg>Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7.0) and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename.
05:20<gloss>Just wondering, since you guys are seniors in debian; did Debian start as a CLI system or GUI system?
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05:21<Supaplex>gloss: it's relatively supported both, less so gui as it was rather primitive compared to today's use. Oh how I'm glad to see the death of modelines (x11).
05:22<snogglethorpe>modelines were horrible, but X has always been pretty usable
05:22<Ubuntivity>Forgive my noobiness, but what is "Modelines"??
05:22<dpkg>Modeline directives in <xorg.conf> are used to specify low-level video modes for your graphics card and monitor. You may need to supply one if the resolutions you want are not autodetected, but first try using <xrandr>. You can create custom modelines using and . See also the cvt, gtf (xserver-xorg-core) and videogen utilities.
05:22<Supaplex>I remember my 486 running 20+ windows of netscape. Poor Win9x could never cope with that.
05:23<snogglethorpe>as to what a "GUI system" is... who knows
05:23<Supaplex>back when the internet was tollerable with a 28.8k modem. *grin*
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05:23<Ubuntivity>I want to admit that the "" stuff confuses me like hell!
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05:24<Ubuntivity>I don't understand what is the difference between X server, X11,, etc
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05:24<Ubuntivity>And why there is "window manager" AND "desktop environment" separately?!
05:25<stdhell>X11 is the protocol. X server is a program. is one of the groups, that make an X server.
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05:26<Stummi>"X server" is more an abstract name for the standard, Xorg the concrete implementation
05:26<Stummi>Its like "Mail Transfer Agent" and "Postfix" or "Exim"
05:26<Ubuntivity>So, the X server includes, and uses the X11 protocol
05:27<Ubuntivity>That means a different program (other than X server) can implement the X11 protocol, right?
05:27<stdhell>A lot of other programs do... All the X clients.
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05:28<Ubuntivity>Nice, so X server can be replaced by something else, right?
05:28<Stummi>there are two common xservers currently: Xorg and xfree
05:29<Ubuntivity>or it is a general description of a program?? (like in " is an X server"??)
05:29<Ubuntivity>so is an x server LIKE Linux is an OS
05:29<Stummi>"" to "X server" is like "Iceweasel" to "Browser"
05:29<stdhell>Ubuntivity: Linux is a kernel.
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05:30<Ubuntivity>stdhell: right, I meant GNU/Linux
05:30<stdhell>In that case, yes.
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05:30<Ubuntivity>Finally my confusion is getting resolved 8-)
05:31<Ubuntivity>Thanks guys
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05:31<Ubuntivity>BTW, why "Iceweasel"??
05:31<Ubuntivity>How do they work? Trademarks?
05:32<Ubuntivity>I mean is it not allowed to distribute the original FireFox with Debian?
05:32<Ubuntivity>Or how will that affect the Debian purpose/goal?
05:32<Stummi>Firefox is only allowed to be named firefox if its not patched before building
05:32<stdhell>Mozilla doesn't want Debian to call the browser Firefox, if Debian have modified the code (and they do), so... Iceweasel.
05:32<Stummi>thats not a debian specific thing
05:32<Ubuntivity>Ahh, I understand now..
05:33<Ubuntivity>So, if I make my own modified copy of Firefox, I'll have to name it something else..
05:33<Ubuntivity>Firefox is opensource, riiight?!
05:34<Ubuntivity>So how is it possible for them to give it a registered trademark?
05:34<Stummi>The source of firefox is open, the name is trademarked
05:34<Stummi>by mozilla, which is a regular company
05:34<stdhell>The name and the logo.
05:35<Ubuntivity>So, assume I modified the source of Debian, can I give my modified version a registered logo and trademark?
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05:35<Stummi>Ubuntivity, if you modify debian you are also not allowed to use the official debian logo with your modified version
05:35<Ubuntivity>So I'll HAVE to use a different name and logo
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05:37<Ubuntivity>So, there is nothing completely open I assume..
05:38<Ubuntivity>wait, there are Open logos vs Restricted logos??
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05:38<stdhell>Ubuntivity: Copyright and trademarks are not the same thing...
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05:38<Ubuntivity>what is the difference, stdhell?
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05:39<Ubuntivity>Isn't the trademark the copyright of the name?
05:39<stdhell>I think that will be offtopic in here...
05:39<Ubuntivity>I'll move my discussion to #debian-offtopic, hope you guys are there :)
05:40<stdhell>I'm not... Wikipedia can probably explain the difference.
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05:40<Ubuntivity>OK, thanks stdheaven
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06:06<lightblue>Sorry ahead of time for a potentially poor explanation. I have an old dell blade server running 6.0.4 (2.6.32-5-686). It's an incredibly broken install, and I want to just reinstall the whole os. However I cannot get the ol' girl to recognize the onboard or a usb CD Drive (not sure how I did before). The drives are also SCSI, which I don't have any other computers that I could plug them into.
06:06<lightblue>As of now, I'm not smart enough for a network boot either. I'm able to make it to the cli, but don't have a working x. Is there anything I can do from here that would, essentially, do what a fresh network install would do? I don't need to save any data. Thanks
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06:09<jm_>lightblue: you can boot installer from hard disk, that's explained in installation guide
06:09<stdhell>lightblue: Can you make an empty partition without destroying too much?
06:09<jm_>or perhaps use swap partition for that until you reinstall
06:09<stdhell>Good idea.
06:10<lightblue>I'm not sure how to do that, installation guide on the website? I'll go read over it
06:11<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at . See also <errata>, <release notes>.
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06:15<whirli>Came across weird usb problem on my friends debian laptop. WHen I insert usbstikc to usb2 ports it mounts and is owned by the user, as it should be, but when I insert the stick to the usb3 port its suddenly owned by the root. Any ideas what to do with? Cheers!
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06:53<whirli>Alright. It seems when I inser one stick to usb port it mounts but is owned by root and when I insert another stick to any other usb port it mounts ok and is owned by the user. Any ideas how I can change that so that the device in /etc/sdb is owned by the user as well?
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07:12<okibobo>somebody help me with debian graphic driver, sorry for my english
07:12<txt-file>!tell okibobo abount ask
07:13<txt-file>!tell okibobo about ask
07:13<okibobo>txt-file: I have ATI Radeon 3650 and installed Debian 7.0
07:14<txt-file>thats a start ;)
07:14<txt-file>do you have firmware-non-free installed?
07:14<okibobo>I would like to Gnome Shell and it doesnt work
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07:15<txt-file>‚it does not work‘ is not really helpfull
07:15<okibobo>graphic works only in emergency mode
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07:16<txt-file>you mean the one from gnome3?
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07:18<okibobo>desktop looks like: top and bottom panels
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07:22<txt-file>again: (13:14:44) txt-file: do you have firmware-non-free installed?
07:22<musca>okibobo: the free radeon drivers need non-free firmware, so enable "contrib non-free" sections of the debian repo in your sources, install firmware-linux-nonfree and reboot.
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07:25<stdhell>musca: Reboot?! What is this? Windows?
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07:25<okibobo>in sources.list I setup non-free and next step is?
07:25<imdea>Hi.. I have a debian wheezy box that is acting as a webserver, and for some reason I'm seeing that into my eth0 interface there are errors. I thought that could be due to hardware problems but I haven't found anything significant under /var/log/syslog. Any ideas?
07:26<stdhell>imdea: What kind of errors?
07:26<musca>stdhell: i doubt that gnome-shell switches its mode on appearance of a file.
07:26<imdea>stdhell, if I do an ifconfig eth0 I see: errors:3311 among the information it displays
07:27<stdhell>musca: modprobe -r whatever-the-module-is-callled && modprobe whatever-the-module-is-callled && restart x...
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07:27<stdhell>imdea: The packages could be broken from the sender. It might not be a problem at your end.
07:28<okibobo>my desktop looks like this:
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07:28<okibobo>like gnome2
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07:29<musca>stdhell: just like you i didn't want to look it up.
07:29<okibobo>I try to install fglrx driver and still the same
07:29<imdea>stdhell: If I do an ethtool -S eth0 among the data it provides I see: rx_align_errors: 3311 and rx_errors: 3311
07:29<znalo>erm. that is gnome2
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07:31<znalo>okibobo: are you running squeeze or wheezy?
07:31<abrotman>there is no gnome2 in wheezt
07:31<znalo>okibobo: cat /etc/debian_version
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07:31<abrotman>so either he didn't upgrade from squeeze to wheezy completely, or he's not using Debian
07:32<imdea>stdhell: How could I make sure about that?
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07:33<okibobo>znalo: 7.1
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07:33<znalo>okibobo: i think your system is half-upgraded
07:33<stdhell>imdea: How many packages have you received in all on that interface?
07:34<imdea>stdhell: RX bytes:85641649067 (85.6 GB)
07:34<mshuler>Sat. June 9 was not in 2013... (this screen was from 2012)
07:35<abrotman>okibobo: pastebin the output of `aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade`
07:35<stdhell>imdea: And only ~3000 packages with errors... Whatever.
07:35<okibobo>it is not upgraded, that is new installed
07:35<abrotman>okibobo: so you're not actually using Debian?
07:35<znalo>okibobo: is that an actual screenshot from your system or is it just vaguely similar?
07:35<imdea>stdhell, According to this information it doesn't look like a faulty hardware to me, do you see it "normal"? considering the amount of packages received?
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07:36<stdhell>imdea: RX packets:2679646304 errors:15 dropped:19556 overruns:15 frame:0
07:37<okibobo>it only similar, that is emergency mode for graphic
07:37<znalo>ah ok
07:37<znalo>false alarm
07:37<imdea>stdhell, ?
07:37<abrotman>okibobo: so what problem are you trying to solve?
07:38<musca>okibobo: it is called fallback mode.
07:38<stdhell>imdea: I have received 2679646304 packets. 19556 of them were dropped. 15 had errors.
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07:38<znalo>so okibobo the next step is to install firmware packages
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07:39<imdea>stdhell: yes I understood that, but that would be a 'yes' or 'no' to my question?
07:39<musca>okibobo: apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
07:39<okibobo>I have ATI Radeon hd3650 and I mean, that problem is with drivers for this card
07:39<stdhell>imdea: 3000 packages with errors seems a bit high, but unless you can see an actual inpact on your connection speed, I wouldn't spend time on that problem.
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07:39<stdhell>imdea: Except maybe shake your cables and stuff like that... :-)
07:40<znalo>okibobo: install firmware-nonfree
07:40<znalo>oh woops
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07:40<imdea>stdhell: Hmm.. could it be possible that if there are some bandwith bottleneck or something that these errors appear?
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07:41<znalo>sorry what musca is saying is right
07:41<okibobo>I try to type apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree and it is allready exists
07:41<znalo>might as well install firmware-linux too
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07:42<stdhell>imdea: It can be all sorts of things. I don't know your network setup.
07:42<imdea>stdhell, I understand.. thanks :-)
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07:42<znalo>okibobo: so if you restart gdm3 is it still not working?
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07:43<stdhell>imdea: It could be faulty hardware or it could be some idiot sending you corrupt packets just for fun.
07:43<okibobo>I dont know how, sorry, but I am only beginner in linux
07:44<stdhell>okibobo: /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart
07:44<musca>as root ^
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07:44<stdhell>I guess he was root... :-)
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07:48<okibobo>znalo:after restart gdm3, only black screen, I must restarted my pc
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07:53<okibobo>musca: still not
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07:56<okibobo>znalo or musca?
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07:58<okibobo>somebody help me with gnome shell
07:59<musca>okibobo: i think we should look at your /var/log xorg.0.log , please paste it on
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08:00<musca>okibobo: sorry the name is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
08:02<okibobo>musca: denied!!!
08:03<znalo>ah you'll need to be root to read the log
08:03<okibobo>I type that in root command line
08:03<abrotman>okibobo: what's wrong with gnome-shell?
08:04<okibobo>abrotman: doesnt work, only fallback mode
08:04<abrotman>okibobo: sounds like a video driver problem
08:05<okibobo>abrotman: yes, I mean the same
08:05<jm_>okibobo: you need to read the file with a pager or editor or ... don't try to run it
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08:05<abrotman>okibobo: what is your video card?
08:05<okibobo>abrotman: ATI Radeon HD3650
08:06<abrotman>did you install fglrx? or using radeon? if using radeon, did you insall the firmware from the firmware-linux-nonfree package?
08:06<okibobo>znalo: denied
08:06<abrotman>and if you installed said firmware, have you rebooted?
08:07<okibobo>Yes, I installed fglrx and nothing after restart system
08:07<abrotman>installed how?
08:09<abrotman>are you usre it's legacy?
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08:09<txt-file>abrotman: yes it is
08:09<abrotman>jeez ..
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08:10<abrotman>okibobo: did you create the Xorg config file as it suggested?
08:10<abrotman>or actually, more like told you :)
08:10<okibobo>yes, all I did
08:11<abrotman>and you did the blacklist for radeon ?
08:11<abrotman>$oh, i think tha'ts part of the fglrx install
08:11<abrotman>okibobo: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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08:12<okibobo>abrotman: access denied and I pasted it as root
08:13<txt-file>please tell us the command which you ran
08:13<okibobo>abrotman: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
08:14<okibobo>bash: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: Access denied
08:14<abrotman>that's not a command
08:17<okibobo>abrotman:what you mean?
08:17<znalo>that is just the location of the file
08:17<abrotman>okibobo: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log (as root)
08:18<musca>should™ be readable for ugo
08:19<okibobo>abrotman: where pastebin it, because it is too large
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08:21<txt-file>this does not look like the whole file to me
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08:22<txt-file>please run 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | curl -F 'sprunge=<-''
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08:24<znalo>yeah there's some commandline pastbin clients in debian
08:25<musca>well, curl is always there
08:25<okibobo>there is a whole file, nothing else
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08:26<musca>okibobo: did you get a link for us?
08:26<abrotman>bleh, can't get to sprunge .. yay
08:27<okibobo>yes I did
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08:27<znalo>we need the sprunge one
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08:28*abrotman would rather okibobo uploadsd the file to .. can't get to spurunge, yay filter
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08:29<okibobo>I dont understand, what you mean
08:29<musca>okibobo: we suspect your paste to be incomplete (by some mistake while copying)
08:29<znalo>debian's pastebinit should default to debian's pastebin I think...
08:30<okibobo>ok, I try it again
08:30<txt-file>okibobo: please run (as root) the following command (the part between "") "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | curl -F 'sprunge=<-'"
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08:31<abrotman>okibobo: on the site, there's a place to select a file to uplaod, use that instead of copy/paste
08:31<txt-file>abrotman: I can copy it from sprunge to for you ;)
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08:32<znalo>okibobo: and take note of the url it gives you after you run the command
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08:35<okibobo>there is a file to download
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08:36<txt-file>okibobo: this looks even more bad than the first one
08:36<znalo>okibobo: did you do what txt-file suggested?
08:36<musca>slightly *sigh*
08:36<txt-file>and if not, then why not
08:37<txt-file>and if yes, what was the output?
08:37<musca><txt-file> said: please run cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | curl -F 'sprunge=<-'
08:37<okibobo>what do you mean?
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08:37<znalo>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | curl -F 'sprunge=<-'
08:38<znalo>and then tell us what it says ( )
08:38<musca>okibobo: it copies the textfile to and will give you a link.
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08:39<okibobo>znalo: I type it to command line or what, sorry, but I am only beginner, you must explain me, sorry
08:40<znalo>commandline yes, but i made a mistake in the command i gave you
08:40<bernat>okibobo: it won't work on paper, so yes, type in the command line
08:40<okibobo>yes, I try it, but only error command not found
08:40<bernat>wouldn't be easier to use pastebinit?
08:41<musca>you can also copy it to commandline: mark the text with the mouse, and do a middle click in your terminal
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08:41<txt-file>okibobo: then please tell us when you have problems to follow what we say
08:41<znalo>okibobo apt-get install pastebinit
08:41<txt-file>if you do not ask most people in here will think that you understood what they ment
08:41<stdhell>okibobo: Command not found... What command? cat? curl? Something else?
08:42<musca>yes, what znalo said.
08:42<znalo>as root i guess
08:42<okibobo>as root
08:42<musca>doesn't apt depend on curl?
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08:43<okibobo>I have still open only root command line
08:43<okibobo>as root
08:43<musca> apt-get install pastebinit
08:43<stdhell>musca: Clearly not...
08:43<znalo>ok good
08:43<okibobo>Allready installed
08:43<znalo>ah good
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08:45<okibobo>pastebin installed
08:45<znalo>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
08:45<bernat>okibobo: also, you can just use form to upload a file
08:46<znalo>ah true
08:46<txt-file>okibobo: curl not found?
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08:46<musca>bernat that failed :)
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08:46<txt-file>bernat: or install curl ;)
08:46<bernat>it can work as: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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08:47<znalo>aha - that's more like it!
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08:49<txt-file>okibobo: please download and extract it
08:49<txt-file>tell us when you are done
08:49<musca>hmm, it repeats "EDID vendor "CPT", prod id 5221" several times
08:50<bernat>txt-file: please
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08:51<okibobo>txt-file: and what is it?
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08:52<Pazzie>hi all
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08:53<znalo>txt-file: we have pastebin, and we have xorg logs now
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08:53<Pazzie>can some one help me out with the installation of my wifi card? i just switched from linux mint cinnamon to debian gnome
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08:54<Pazzie>and now i only have my wirred networkcard
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08:54<abrotman>this is such a sad state
08:55<stdhell>Pazzie: lspci -nn find your wireless card and give us the product code at the end of the line (e.g. [8086:1234])
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08:56<abrotman>Pazzie: Mint is not supported here
08:56<bernat>Pazzie: what does switching mean? did you install Debian on an empty partition?
08:56<txt-file>bernat: okibobo: sorry but my irc bouncer hang … please ignore it
08:56<abrotman>oh .. whoops
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08:57<okibobo>abrotman: do you know something new?
08:57<Pazzie>no i mean, i have reinstalled my laptop with debian, so no dual boot or anything
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08:57<Pazzie>fress install
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08:57<abrotman>okibobo: i'm looking
08:57<Pazzie>stdhell, Network controller: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300
08:57<okibobo>abrotman: ok, thanks
08:58<bernat>Pazzie: you might need to install firmware packages
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08:58<musca>okibobo: i have to leave, you are in good hands, i see
08:58<stdhell>Pazzie: And the code?
08:58<bernat>Pazzie: dmesg may show some info
08:58<abrotman>okibobo: are you sure you're not choosing fallback mode?
08:58<Pazzie>stdhell, 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300
08:58<abrotman>Pazzie: i have that card, works well after installing firmware
08:58<okibobo>abrotman: Yes I am sure
08:58<Pazzie>abrotman, okay, what do i need to do?
08:58<abrotman>okibobo: try it with a new user
08:58<stdhell>Pazzie: The pci code. 4 hex digits : 4 more digits...
08:58<okibobo>musca: ok, thank you so much
08:59<txt-file>abrotman: okibobo: in the paste the radeon driver is still used (line 106)
08:59<abrotman>dpkg: tell Pazzie about iwlwifi
08:59<Pazzie>stdhell, i dont see the code
08:59<adao1003>Pazzie: install iwlwifi
08:59<stdhell>Pazzie: Did you run "lspci -nn"?
09:00<abrotman>stdhell: he doesn't have to .. jeez
09:00<Pazzie>adao1003, i dont have that in my repository
09:00<bernat>adao1003: stdhell, he's already given instructions to fix it
09:00<abrotman>and he's been given the answer
09:00<Pazzie>when i type iwl (tab) it doesnt find it
09:00<abrotman>dpkg: tell Pazzie about non-free
09:00<abrotman>Pazzie: see what the bot told you
09:00<okibobo>abrotman: do you mean create a new user and switch
09:00<abrotman>okibobo: txt-file believes you're still using rdeon instead of fglrx
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09:02<Pazzie>stdhell, 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236]
09:02<okibobo>abrotman: Yes, but when it doesnt work, I remove that
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09:02<okibobo>abrotman: fglrx
09:02<leon4rd0>hi guys i'm living brazil studdy computational science at some years, here is time to say good morning!
09:03<stdhell>Pazzie: Read what abrotman and dpkg told you.
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09:03<okibobo>abrtoman:You think, that I try to install fglrx again?
09:04<stdhell>okibobo: I think most of us assumed it was installed...
09:04<Pazzie>dpkg, non-free-sources
09:04<dpkg>Pazzie: no idea
09:05<Pazzie>dpkg, <non-free sources>
09:05<dpkg>Pazzie: I don't know, could you explain it?
09:05<leon4rd0>much apu's dependś only firmware, unmask non-free update apt-get and install aditiona lfirmware! ...
09:05<stdhell>!non-free sources
09:05<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
09:05<okibobo>Sorry, I didnt know, it was installed, but then I was removed it
09:05<leon4rd0>i use amd on free software all suported 3daccel
09:06<txt-file>abrotman: line 106 in the paste told me that radeon is used and not fglrx
09:06<txt-file>also I can not find fglrx anywhere
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09:07<stdhell>txt-file: It didn't work, so he removed it (without telling any of us).
09:07<okibobo>abrotman: I try to install again
09:08<DelaxLinux>i've accidently done this
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09:09<okibobo>txt-file: I try to install fglrx again
09:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 644] by debhelper
09:10<Pazzie>stdhell, okay i did the non free part and updated it
09:10<Pazzie>but i still cannnot find the iwlwifi
09:10<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at . See also <iwlegacy>.
09:10<txt-file1>Pazzie: it is firmware-iwlwifi
09:11<Pazzie>txt-file1, thnx! found it
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09:11<okibobo>ok, fglrx is installed
09:11<Pazzie>okay done, do i have to reboot now?
09:11<okibobo>xorg server config file too
09:12<stdhell>Pazzie: Are you running Windows?
09:12<Pazzie>stdhell, no not anymore, linux only now
09:12<stdhell>It's probably enough to unload the module and reload it.
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09:12<stdhell>But yeah, reboot should work too.
09:12<Pazzie>stdhell, okay how do i do that?
09:13<okibobo>And last step? How do I enabled the radeon blacklist?
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09:13<Pazzie>i rather learn to unload and reload then rebooting
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09:13<stdhell>Pazzie: modprobe -r iwlwifi && modprobe iwlwifi
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09:15<Pazzie>stdhell, great it works! :)
09:15<Pazzie>stdhell, the only think left is now i have wired unmanaged
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09:16<okibobo>abrotman: I have allready installed fglrx
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09:17<DelaxLinux>i've accidently done this
09:17<Pazzie>stdhell, how do i get it managed?
09:18<stdhell>Pazzie: I don't know what you mean. I just use /etc/network/interfaces and forget all that fancy stuff...
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09:18<abrotman>okibobo: then it's not configured correctly
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09:19<stdhell>DelaxLinux: Do you have that output in a file? That might make the next step a little easier...
09:19<okibobo>abrotman: how do I enable the radeon driver blacklist after restart?
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09:19<DelaxLinux>yes Why ?
09:19<Pazzie> stdhell okay... should i also install my nvidia drivers? for my graphics card (since i have hdmi on my laptop)
09:19<abrotman>okibobo: should be int he wiki
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09:21<DelaxLinux>stdhell: Yes, why
09:21<stdhell>DelaxLinux: grep '^Remove:' that-file | cut -d: -f2- | tr , '\n' | cut -d' ' -f1 | xargs -r apt-get install
09:21<stdhell>That might work...
09:21<abrotman>aptitude is probably better in this case
09:22<DelaxLinux>what do i do with that
09:22<DelaxLinux>its a log its located at /var/log/apt/history.log
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09:23<abrotman>you know ... he could probalby just "aptitude install gnome" and be done with it
09:24<stdhell>Was that what he removed? I didn't read the names of all those packages. You might be right.
09:24<abrotman>i have no idea, but the metapackage will likely pull in most of what he has there
09:24<abrotman>if not all
09:25<stdhell>DelaxLinux: What command did you use to make that mistake?
09:26*abrotman /win 4
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09:27<DelaxLinux>stdhell: aptitude install hybserv
09:27<stdhell>hybserv shouldn't remove those packages...
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09:28<DelaxLinux>But magically it did it by me
09:28<stdhell>Did you try aptitude install gnome as abrotman suggested?
09:29<DelaxLinux>stdhell: I'll try now
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09:32<babilen>DelaxLinux: It very much sounds as if you used apt-get to remove a package before which left a number of other packages in the "to be removed" list. By using aptitude later it automatically removed those "unneeded" packages.
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09:33<babilen>DelaxLinux: Showing us your /var/log/apt/history.log and /var/log/aptitude would allow us to figure that out, but then you might just be interested in fixing it but installing whatever packages you want to have installed.
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09:33<DelaxLinux>stdhell: which one must I chose ? as standard monitorController (translated it at my best (NL) ) kdm or gdm 3
09:34<stdhell>Do you use KDE, Gnome or something else?
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09:36<DelaxLinux>stdhell: I dont know
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09:36<stdhell>DelaxLinux: Just pick one of them. It probably doesn't matter much.
09:36<txt-file>then it is probably gnome3
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09:37<abrotman>if he's using gnome, probably use gdm3
09:37<txt-file>at least gnome3 is the default in debian
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09:37<babilen>gdm3 is not a bad choice either way, but it doesn't really matter. I would pick gdm3 fwiw, but I don't use KDE at all.
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09:38<stdhell>The only reason why I asked, if he was using KDE, was because it was one of the options.
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09:38<stdhell>As far as I remember, he would be asked, if he only got Gnome.
09:39<okibobo>abrotman: Sorry, that I disturb you, but can you look at this:
09:39<okibobo>abrotman: there is a fglrx
09:39<babilen>(a wild fglrx appears)
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09:40<DelaxLinux>stdhell: i picked gdm3
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09:40<txt-file>okibobo: looks good … do you still have problems
09:41<okibobo>txt-file: yes, still the same, only fallback mode
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09:42<okibobo>txt-file: did you look at ?
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09:42<DelaxLinux>stdhell: The letters are getting smaller (the letters were capitoll) :-D
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09:42<DelaxLinux>like at the top
09:43<DelaxLinux>(username and date/time and such)
09:43<txt-file>okibobo: I red it from the beginning and it looked good … now reading from the back and seeing an Error
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09:43<stdhell>DelaxLinux: I'm not sure what you're talking about...
09:44<DelaxLinux>oh my letters were also messed up at the top like Locations is written like that normally but after it did that removal it was written like LOCATIONS
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09:44<okibobo>txt-file: some advice, what I do?
09:45<txt-file>okibobo: not really because I do not understand this error
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09:45<txt-file>btw: what happens if you login without the emergency mode?
09:46<okibobo>txt-file: what is the error? I try to ask somebody
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09:46<txt-file>take a look at line 598
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09:48<okibobo>txt-file: I login with normal mode and nothing, only start in fallback mode, not gnome shell, mode looks like gnome2
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09:48<txt-file>what do you mean with ‚nothing‘?
09:49<DelaxLinux>stdhell: ok it seems all fixed but theres only one thing that bothers me and ive always had that sometimes in Gedit and terminal if i select something it unselects immediately
09:50<okibobo>txt-file: Login screen in on gnome 3, but when I loged, than start desktop as fallback mode, gnome panel isnt there, only top and bottom panel
09:50<stdhell>DelaxLinux: Sorry, I don't have any ideas...
09:51<txt-file>sorry but I do not know what you are trying to say okibobo
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09:53<DelaxLinux>Well thanks for your help stdhell and abrotman <3
09:53<okibobo>txt-file:When I log, splash screen looks like gnome3, but as I sign, and it looks like gnome2, fallback mode
09:54<okibobo>txt-file:gnome3 doesnt work
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09:55<okibobo>txt-file: it looks like this :
09:56<gnugr>okobobo:if that fglrx driver doesn't fit you, you should try fglrx dkms (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms)
09:57<txt-file>I thought this is how gnome3 looks
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09:58<peter1138>gnome 3 normal mode doesn't have the bottom bar
09:58<znalo>thats gnome3-fallback
09:59<gsimmons>gnugr: No, that will not work. It no longer supports the GPU which okibobo is using.
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09:59<okibobo>I would like this:
10:00<Shirty>Hey, I want to set up an old portable computer with debian as a personnel server to backup files, set up redmine and maybe host some repo's anyone have some good links for me?
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10:00<okibobo>but still I have only gnome3 fallback mode
10:00<stdhell>Shirty: Start here:
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10:02<okibobo>gsimmons: Do you think, that is no solution for me?
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10:05<gnugr>okibobo:for me it worths a shot, if you have same results you can just remove the xorg.conf.d
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10:06<okibobo>gnugr: Can you look at this /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:06<gnugr>i did
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10:07<okibobo>gnugr: ok, I have to try remove only xorg.conf.d or whole fglrx?
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10:07<gnugr>just the xorg.conf.d
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10:09<okibobo>gnugr:ok, I did, what now?
10:10<okibobo>gnugr: pc or only gdm?
10:12<okibobo>gnugr: ok, then I will write
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10:13<vobthr>is the only free upub reader in the archive fbreader? (and okular with plugin?) no program that doesn't depend on qt?
10:13<vobthr>*epub reader
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10:16<okibobo>gnugr:still the same after reboot
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10:18<mgv>vobthr: fbreader can use gtk instead of qt. just install libzlui-gtk and uninstall libzlui-qt4
10:19<gnugr>okibobo:ok though, fglrx dkms is not for your GPU indead, just remove that xorg.conf.d
10:19<vobthr>mgv: ah, thanks
10:20<mgv>you're welcome
10:20<okibobo>gnugr: Wait, now I removed xorg.conf.d
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10:21<okibobo>gnugr: I wasnt installed fglrx dkms
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10:22<okibobo>gnugr: only removed xorg.conf.d
10:22<gnugr>okibobo:did you follow what dpkg bot says?
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10:23<gnugr>i thought you did
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10:25<okibobo>At first I installed like here:
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10:28<gnugr>okobobo:yes, but that fglrx driver doesn't work for you, isn't?
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10:29<gnugr>my typing sucks today
10:29<okibobo>gnugr:yes, you're right
10:29<sm_94>can some1 help me to fix slow login (splashscreen) on kde ?
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10:30<okibobo>gnugr:doesn't work
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10:30<gnugr>okibobo:thats why i suggested to give it a try with fglrx dkms and a new xorg.conf.d
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10:31<txt-file>I have the feeling that this is not a gpu-driver issue
10:31<okibobo>gnugr:ok, I try to install fglrx dkms
10:31<abrotman>did he get radeon blacklisted yet?
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10:32<digitsm2>I searched and found that 'lm-sensors' package is installed; But when I enter 'sensors' in terminal it doesn't work
10:33<txt-file>sm_94: how long does it take?
10:33<txt-file>this _is_ slow
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10:33<gsimmons>gnugr: I think you're confused. okibobo has already tried the Catalyst Legacy 13.1 driver. It works, but GNOME3 remains in fallback mode (as does when using the radeon driver). The Catalyst 12.6 driver /does not/ support okibobo's GPU (Radeon HD 3650).
10:34<txt-file>digitsm2: you first need to run sensors-detect (I think)
10:34<gsimmons>abrotman: The fglrx packages blacklist radeon during installation (specifically via glx-alternative-fglrx).
10:34<digitsm2>txt-file: There's no command "sensors-detect" available
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10:34<gnugr>gsimmons:ok i thought radeon was blacklisted already
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10:35<sm_94>btw it was running perfectly yesterday, but today when i turned on my pc it was taking ages to login ^
10:35<txt-file>digitsm2: also as root?
10:35<okibobo>I'm sick, I dont know what I do with this, I try to install fglrx and still nothing, then I remove xorg.confg.d and nothing
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10:35<digitsm2>txt-file: No as root it worked. Thanks
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10:36<txt-file>digitsm2: np …
10:36<okibobo>gsimmons: Have you some solution for me?
10:37<sm_94>does it makes problem if i have gdm and kdm running in same time?
10:37<txt-file>sm_94: could be a reason … why are you running both?
10:38<sm_94>i've installed kde since gnome is visually bugged cant see anything
10:38<sm_94>but it was running normaly whole 2 days but now dunno why it's so slow login
10:38<txt-file>Is today the gnome3-does-not-work-day?
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10:39<okibobo>txt-file: :) today si a special day for gnome 3
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10:40<txt-file>sounds so
10:41<sm_94>txt-file: so no solution for slowlogin problm?
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10:41<txt-file>sm_94: not really … you could try to shutdown gdm but that is the only thing I can think of
10:42<sm_94>txt-file: wich command is used to kill gdm?
10:42<txt-file>service gdm3 shutdown
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10:43<sm_94>txt-file: ill try it now, tnx
10:43<patryk>hi all
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10:49<gruetzkopf>lets say i have an application that wants a serial port to talk with a device. this serial link needs to be tunneled over a pair of modems (remote device is modem aware)
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10:49<gruetzkopf>(but the application is not)
10:52<digitsm2>I have another question
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10:52<digitsm2>The frequency of my CPU doesn't scale automatically
10:52<digitsm2>It's always on its highest freq
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10:53<digitsm2>How could I change to CPU governor to conservative?
10:53<digitsm2>It says "No scaling driver available"
10:53<DelaxLinux>I have another problem My system settings wont start (Gnome)
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10:54<sm_94>txt-file: are you still there?
10:54<peter1138>root probably isn't what you want.
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10:55<txt-file>sm_94: yes
10:55<sm_94>txt-file: nothing happens if i stop gdm, anyways gdm works smoothly
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10:56<txt-file>today is really the gnome3-weirdest-day
10:56<sm_94>txt-file: would it fix if i reinstall kdm?
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10:56<txt-file>you can try it
10:57<DelaxLinux>I have another problem My system settings wont start (Gnome)
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11:00<DelaxLinux>I have another problem My system settings wont start (Gnome) Can anyone Help me ?
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11:02<DelaxLinux>Plz ?
11:04<DelaxLinux>Anyone ?
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11:04<DelaxLinux>My system settings wont start (Gnome)
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11:09<recovery>How do I talk on #xfce? When I try to connect it says I am not a CHANOP on its access list. This is my first time using IRC.
11:09<bernat>recovery: /join #xfce
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11:11<themill>btw #xfce is on, not here
11:11<DelaxLinux>I have another problem My system settings wont start (Gnome) Can anyone Help me
11:11<bluewater>you might want to try asking a question in our IRC channel #xfce on
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11:12<recovery>I know, I am using XChat and was trying to get it to connect to #xfce. #debian was the first thing that came up so that is why I asked here.
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11:13<DelaxLinux>I have another problem
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11:15<DelaxLinux>any1 ?
11:15<mshuler>patience, DelaxLinux..
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11:18<okibobo>someone for help?
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11:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:23<okibobo>I have wrote here, but my problem is still not resolved, I have a problem with gnome 3, doesnt work, only fallback mode on my desktop
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11:23<okibobo>my graphic card is ATI Radeon HD3650
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11:24<okibobo>Please, somebody help me, because I'm trying few hours and nothing, I have no experience with debian, I am only beginner
11:25<bernat>okibobo: you should provide again the information you were asked for
11:25<rpetre>hello, i'm trying to migrate my automated preseed file from squeeze to wheezy, and i hit a question (from console-setup, i think) about choosing the keyboard, which i think needs preseeding over the kernel cmdline, does anybody know what parameter it is? (hopefully it's a faq)
11:26<okibobo>bernat: what kiind of information
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11:26<Maulkin>rpetre: keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap
11:26<jthomas_>Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get OwnCloud working on Debian? I've installed the software from aptitude; I've set up the config file; I've created the database in MySQL... but I can't get OwnCloud to launch in my browser
11:26<Maulkin>rpetre: See
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11:27<okibobo>bernat: because many people there advice me, but not successfully
11:27<digitsm2>I followed the instructions at but it seems still there is no scaling driver available
11:27<Maulkin>jthomas_: try #debian-owncloud?
11:27<bernat>I guess you were asked for logs and the actions you've taken to try make it work until now
11:28<jthomas_>can do, thanks Maulkin
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11:28<rpetre>Maulkin: thanks, i already put d-i keymap in the preseed file, but realized it is asked before fetching it
11:28<rpetre>will try now
11:28<bernat>okibobo: also, are you using Debian Wheezy?
11:28<Maulkin>rpetre: Are you booting with auto=yes?
11:28<peter1138>digitsm2, did you follow the bit abount Drivers?
11:28<okibobo>bernat: yes
11:28<Maulkin>rpetre: see
11:28<rpetre>Maulkin: yup, and prio=critical and all that
11:29<Maulkin>Well, auto url=something
11:29<rpetre>Maulkin: i already did a test boot with my preseed and it only asked that thing
11:29<rpetre>yes, i know about the url= magic, i use it extensively ;)
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11:29<Maulkin>You may also want interface=auto netcfg/dhcp_timeout=60
11:29<digitsm2>peter1138: The "Drivers" section is more informative. It says 'cpufrequtil' should find the appropriate driver. But it doesn't
11:29<jthomas_>join #debian-owncloud
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11:30<rpetre>yup, i already do that
11:30<Maulkin>rpetre: If you're still stuck, may be useful.
11:30<rpetre>as i said, it already works with squeeze, i'm working at porting it to wheezy
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11:31<Maulkin>rpetre: Sounds like it may be a job for #debain-boot for you then :)
11:31<rpetre>the hands one is still sci-fi to me, i grew up with joeyh's examples :P
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11:31<rpetre>yeah, i wanted to try my luck here first, it's higher traffic
11:31<rpetre>sorry for the noise and thanks again
11:31<Maulkin>rpetre: Higher traffic, but less specialised.
11:31<Maulkin>rpetre: No problems :)
11:32<rpetre>i assumed it's a faq
11:32<peter1138>digitsm2, did you reboot since cpufrequtils was installed?
11:32<okibobo>bernat: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is here:
11:32<peter1138>digitsm2, if not try running, as root, "/etc/init.d/loadcpufreq start"
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11:34<digitsm2>peter1138: Yeah I restarted; But even now I start loadcpufreq again. Still doesn't work
11:35<peter1138>Cool. Does that command not give any output?
11:35<digitsm2>peter1138: When I enter 'cpufreq-info' it says: no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CP
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11:35<peter1138>"/etc/init.d/loadcpufreq start"
11:35<digitsm2>* ... on this CPU
11:35<peter1138>I mean that command.
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11:36<peter1138>[ ok ] Loading cpufreq kernel modules...done (acpi-cpufreq).
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11:36<peter1138>I get that, for example.
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11:36<digitsm2>no I get this: [ ok ] Loading cpufreq kernel modules...done (none).
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11:36<peter1138>Okay. So you're out of luck.
11:37<digitsm2>peter1138: Why?
11:37<peter1138>Because there's no driver for you.
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11:37<peter1138>What hardware are you using?
11:38<digitsm2>peter1138, Mainboard=ASUS, CPU=Intel Pentium 4 @2.8GHz. It's a PC
11:38<bernat>okibobo: please, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if you have one
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11:38<bernat>okibobo: and also lsmod | pastebinit
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11:39<peter1138>Okay, try modprobe p4-clockmod
11:39<peter1138>The init script should try that anyway.
11:40<okibobo>bernat: and xorg.conf doesnt exist
11:40<digitsm2>peter1138: No output (empty output)
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11:42<bernat>okibobo: you have loaded both the radeon and fglrx modules
11:42<peter1138>Anything from cpufreq-info now?
11:42<bernat>okibobo: try rmmod fglrx
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11:44<okibobo>bernat: and then
11:44<bernat>okibobo: rather uninstall the fglrx packages so they won't get on the way
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11:44<digitsm2>peter1138: Yeah, 'cpufreqinfo' now shows the info
11:44<digitsm2>peter1138: What did you do?
11:44<bernat>okibobo: dpkg -l "fglrx*"
11:44<peter1138>Apparently the init script doesn't work for you.
11:45<SynrG>ugh, p4-clockmod is awful
11:45<SynrG>i would almost say entirely useless
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11:45<digitsm2>peter1138: Do you mean the init script tries to load acpi-cpufreq instead of p4-clockmod?
11:46<bernat>okibobo: please, report on anything you do so we can know
11:46<peter1138>SynrG, I know nothing about it.
11:46<SynrG>p4-clockmod is a seriously flawed concept, deprecated, and possibly already removed.
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11:46<peter1138>digitsm2, no, the init script explicitly doesn't load p4-clockmod.
11:47<okibobo>bernat:I type dpkg -l "fglrx*"
11:47<SynrG>it doesn't really change cpu freq
11:47<SynrG>it just modulates freq with wait states
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11:47<SynrG>this is entirely without benefit. it slows things down without any power savings
11:47<bernat>okibobo: pastebinit
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11:47<digitsm2>peter1138: What shall I do to PC automatically load p4-clockmod after boot?
11:48<SynrG>all your work takes longer ... so the job ultimately consumes just as much power ...
11:48<peter1138>Don't. Read what SynrG is writing :)
11:48<SynrG>the one thing it might do is prevent overheating. but that is *all*
11:48<SynrG>zero power savings. zilch.
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11:49<peter1138>Those CPUs were at the tail end of not caring about power consumption, I guess.
11:50<nomius>Is it there a APT::upgrade::Pre-Invoke hook?
11:50<SynrG>hmm. i think it did survive into current kernels
11:50<SynrG>maybe for the reason i mentioned
11:50<SynrG>/boot/config-2.6.32-5-amd64:# CONFIG_X86_P4_CLOCKMOD is not set
11:50<digitsm2>peter1138: So you mean my P4 cpu doesn't care about power consumption! So strange
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11:50<SynrG>(same with 3.10)
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11:51<digitsm2>peter1138: I'm going to reboot again to see whether the init script work or not. If not I have to hack the script
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11:52<okibobo>bernat:do you know something new?
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11:52<nomius>Anyone knows about that one?
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11:53<bernat>okibobo: apt-get purge "fglrx*"
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11:53<bernat>this will remove the propietary driver
11:53<bernat>we'll try making it work first with the free one
11:54<SynrG>peter1138: so basically, same energy consumed executing the job means same heat produced, but if the job takes longer, the system has longer to dissipate it. and that's it :p
11:54<SynrG>digitsm2: ^^
11:54<SynrG>only benefit that i can see.
11:54<SynrG>(of p4-clockmod)
11:55<okibobo>bernat: ok, done
11:55<peter1138>And if it's ondemand, then that isn't going to do anything.
11:55<bernat>can you restart the system?
11:55<SynrG>peter1138: aye
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11:56<peter1138>digitsm2, if you really want the module to load, just pop p4-clockmod into /etc/modules
11:56<SynrG>digitsm2: hm? just pointing out what i said to peter1138 (and then noticed you were back; so i highlit you too)
11:56<digitsm2>Do you mean if I set the governor to ondemand there is no change in energy consumption?
11:56<peter1138>digitsm2, but it's probably not worth it :)
11:56<SynrG>digitsm2: absolutely correct.
11:57<SynrG>digitsm2: indeed, not even the overheating protection benefit, so ... end result is zero effect.
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11:58<digitsm2>I don't understand.
11:58<digitsm2>Why p4-clockmod doesn't work well?
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11:58<SynrG>ondemand would bump up your "effective frequency" to meet demand, so any benefit you might have had of p4-clockmod slowing down jobs to give the system longer time to dissipate heat is lost
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11:59<okibobo>bernat:ok, system was rebooted
11:59<bernat>okibobo: lsmod | pastebinit
11:59<bernat>okibobo: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:59<SynrG>digitsm2: ok, i will sum up: p4-clockmod is "fake" frequency scaling for CPUs without speedstep. real frequency scaling changes voltage ...
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12:00<SynrG>digitsm2: the change in voltage translates to power savings when not doing any work if you use ondemand
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12:00<SynrG>digitsm2: but ondemand + p4-clockmod = fail because all it does is insert wait cycles in to "fake" lower frequency, which doesn't lower voltage, doesn't save power, and doesn't even reduce thermal
12:01<AndroUser2>Hi , i have some problem with mate 1.6 on debian wheezy. Ho can help?
12:01<SynrG>the only use case where p4-clockmod might be *any* use at all is to not use ondemand, to force "savings" mode or whatever they call it, and deliberately slow down all jobs to prevent overheating.
12:01<peter1138>AndroUser2, ask the packagers.
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12:02<bernat>okibobo: it's looking good, no errors
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12:02<digitsm2>SynrG: But even wait cycles consume less power than other working cycles
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12:02<bernat>okibobo: apt-cache policy | pastebinit
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12:03<peter1138>digitsm2, if the system is idle, it'll be doing that anyway.
12:03<digitsm2>Yeah, you're right
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12:04<bernat>okibobo: you need to add non-free to your sources.list
12:05<bernat>!non-free sources
12:05<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
12:06<bernat>okibobo: sorry, you already have wheezy-backports non-free, that's enough
12:06<okibobo>bernat: I already have non-free
12:06<blast007>digitsm2: a properly designed and maintained system shouldn't be overheating even when running at 100% for extended periods. Have you tried something as simple as ensuring the heatsink and fans are clear of dust, ensuring the fans are working well enough, and possibly adding more fans (or swapping in fans with higher airflow)?
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12:07<bernat>okibobo: try apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
12:07<AndroUser2>peter1138 how can i find them?
12:08<bernat>okibobo: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
12:08<bernat>okibobo: did those commands do anything?
12:08<blast007>!tell AndroUser2 about mate
12:09<okibobo>bernat:nothing, all of these allready exits
12:09<bernat>okibobo: still no gnome-shell?
12:10<okibobo>bernat: still not
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12:10<digitsm2>blast007: I don't have any overheating problem. I just wanted low power consumption when system is idle or not very used, because this is my PC an I like to stay it on most of times for downloads and other home-server things issues
12:11<SynrG>digitsm2: you didn't follow ... earlier, i think. even though wait cycles take less, your whole non-idle job executes *just as many non-wait-cycles* to finish the job. so, overall ... same power consumption :)
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12:11<SynrG>digitsm2: a lot of scroll, so maybe you got that point by now anyway
12:11<blast007>digitsm2: then buy a lower powered computer ;) a P4 is pretty much the opposite of "low power consumption"
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12:12<digitsm2>SynrG: I read that. You're right
12:13<AndroUser2>After install debian wheezy whisout desktop i install mate and then reboot. After reboot i still see comand line. I can not start mate. Belp please:-)
12:13<digitsm2>blast007: Previously I used to use this P4 computer as my home-server, but because of its power consumption I don't use it for that goal anyway.
12:13<bernat>okibobo: are you sure you aren't selecting fallback mode in the login screen?
12:13<digitsm2>blast007: I must buy a RasperyPI soon :D
12:13<bernat>okibobo: or default/last session?
12:13<EZmoney>some of the p4 boards had clock control with no fan controllers
12:14<okibobo>bernat: I have to explain you, when I open advanced setting, there is a tab 'Theme' and near the option Shell theme is ornage triangle with error
12:14<bernat>okibobo: that's no problem
12:14<okibobo>bernat: yes, I sure
12:15<okibobo>bernat: I always select normal mode
12:15<gnugr>AndroUser2:try #debian-mate on
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12:17<digitsm2>blast007: Unfortunately Amazon and many other online stores don't support Iran. And Raspery PI is scare in Iran's market. Raspery PI's price is low enough (even in Iran) and if I had been able to buy it I've certainly done that.
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12:18<bernat>okibobo: glxinfo | pastebinit
12:18<okibobo>bernat: when I try to type gnome-shell --replace in command line, it works, but desktop blinking or flashing, do you understand, what I mean?
12:18<bernat>okibobo: can you try with a new user?
12:19<okibobo>bernat: do you mean create a new user and switch?
12:20<bernat>okibobo: everything seems ok, I think it might something bad with your home config files
12:20<bernat>okibobo: yes
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12:22<okibobo>bernat:ok I try to switch
12:23<okibobo>bernat: yes, right, it works
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12:23<okibobo>bernat, I dont understand that
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12:25<bernat>okibobo: you may have something configured in your home directory that forces fallback mode, unfortunately I don't know what it is
12:25<roughnecks>okibobo: sorry but.. 14:58* <abrotman> okibobo: try it with a new user
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12:27<okibobo>roughnecks: yes, I know, but it wasnt working, now it works
12:27<okibobo>roughnecks: I dont know why
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12:27<roughnecks>well, that's good it just works now
12:27<DelaxLinux>I have another problem
12:28<bernat>mayb you tried it when both the radeon and fglrx modules were loaded, that resulted in a dri error
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12:28<okibobo>roughnecks: yes, great, but only with new user
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12:30<okibobo>bernat: thank you so much, I dont know, whats wrong, but after installation I had a fallback mode
12:30<bernat>okibobo: you can move all your files but gnome configuration files to the new user's home, or you could also try deleting gnome configuration directories, with great care though
12:30<roughnecks>okibobo: is that so bad? Did you have many configurations set?
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12:32<roughnecks>you can always copy what you need, as bernat advices
12:33<okibobo>bernat:ok, thank you so much for advice, you help me, I try to copy file tu new user
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12:33<okibobo>roughnecks: thanks for advice
12:33<DelaxLinux>so that is when I want to startup system settings (Gnome)
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12:36<DelaxLinux>I have another problem
12:36<DelaxLinux>so that is when I want to startup system settings (Gnome)
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12:37<Supaplex>Delax sounds like Delecs. Your ${HOME} will be exterminated.
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12:38<mshuler>DelaxLinux: "You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting" is pretty clear - I don't use gnome, so can't help, but perhaps someone that uses gnome can point you in the right direction
12:39<mshuler>looks to me like it is already running?
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12:40<mshuler>and DelaxLinux, why are you running this as root?
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12:42<mshuler>and is it from a console, from a root login to X, from a user's xterm su'ed to root? - too many possibilities, DelaxLinux - you need to be a bit more descriptive about your problem
12:42<mshuler>dpkg: tell DelaxLinux about smart questions
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12:43<DelaxLinux>Ehm then I dont have a xsettings manager running and il try it not as root right now
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13:01<DelaxLinux>Alright When I try to open my system settings it wont open if i try to open it in terminal I get this How to solve this Because i dont have a settingsmanager running
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13:06<AndreGomes>could anyone help me please
13:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:07<AndreGomes>Allright thank you, sorry.
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13:08<AndreGomes>I have a problem with apt-get update; I'm running Debian version 7 Wheezy. When I try to do it just get network errors, I get the following output
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13:09<Maulkin>AndreGomes: looks like your network provider is giving you an ipv6 address, but not routing it
13:10<AndreGomes>Maulkin, Thank you! there is any way to fix this?
13:10<Maulkin>AndreGomes: Um... speak to your network provider? Or, are you using a standard Debian install?
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13:10<Maulkin>AndreGomes: you could try turning off ipv6 for that interface
13:10<mshuler>AndreGomes: edit /etc/gai.conf and uncomment the line: "precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100" - this will prefer IPv4
13:12<owuy>AndresGomes: just disable ipv6 in network manager or /etc/network/interfaces unless you need it
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13:12<AndreGomes>Mushler, i just did what you say but still getting IPV6
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13:12<mshuler>hmm.. I have to do that due to funky v6 from my provider too, and it just works
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13:13<AndreGomes>strange, though, that's a cheap vps with debian server, i will try disable IPV6
13:13<mshuler>but I also use some v6-only services, so I don't want to just kill v6 all together
13:14<owuy>AndresGomes: echo 'net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1' > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf will disable it
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13:15<AndreGomes>owuy, srange, still gets ipv6
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13:16<owuy>AndreGomes: is it a headless server
13:16<owuy>AndreGomes: cat /etc/network/interfaces (hide your IP and stuff)
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13:20<AndreGomes>owuy i will try reboot
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13:21<owuy>AndreGomes: did you add /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf
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13:22<AndreGomes>owuy echo 'net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1' > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf and a reboot, seems like it worked! =D
13:23<AndreGomes>Thanks owuy, mshuler and Maulkin!
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13:24<owuy>AndreGomes: this is not a really good solution to the problem, it just disabled IPv6. But your server doesn't look like it was using it anyway. Otherwise you could have tried
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13:25<AndreGomes>owuy yes i dont really use ipv6
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13:26<AndreGomes>owuy strange, now i get another error,
13:27<AndreGomes>followed by
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13:30<owuy>AndreGomes: cat /etc/apt/source.list and iptables -vnL (again hide any personal information)
13:31<AndreGomes> cat: /etc/apt/source.list: No such file or directory
13:31<owuy>AndreGomes: sorry sources.list
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13:34<owuy>AndresGomes: what country do you live in
13:35<AndreGomes>owuy Brazil
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13:36<owuy>change the sources file to this
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13:36<AndreGomes>just change everything to this?
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13:37<owuy>the url part
13:37<owuy>just add br.
13:37<owuy>before on 6 lines
13:37<AndreGomes>allright, like this right:
13:37<owuy>sorry thats right just 4
13:38<AndreGomes>it worked! =D
13:38<AndreGomes>and now it's a lot fast
13:38<AndreGomes>many many many thanks owuy!
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13:42<AndreGomes>owuy does apt-get install ia32-libs has been phased-out?
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13:43<AndreGomes>owuy thanks, so i dont really need to install than debian will use 32 libs right?
13:44<owuy>uname -m
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13:52<cinch>nice! firefox 23 in sid :)
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13:53<lostatwork>nice! iceweasel 23 on wheezy
13:54*SamB wishes they would quit it with the silly version numbers ...
13:55<ompaul>SamB: it's not like it's an irrational number :)
13:55<owuy>won't wheezy get iceweasel 24 not 23
13:55<owuy>if it follows the esr life-cycle
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14:01<cinch>wheezy is stable, so it'll stay with 17
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14:02<SamB>cinch: it had 10 before didn't it?
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14:04<cinch>SamB, you're right
14:05<cinch>ok now i'm confused, thought stable never get's version upgrades, only security fixes
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14:05<SamB>cinch: security basically threw up their hands and said "we no longer have the resources to backport security fixes for mozilla onto the version in stable"
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14:06<cinch>centos 5 did the same, jumped to version 17
14:06<cinch>are there any other packages like that?
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14:08<SamB>darn, rmadison is not working :-(
14:08<musca>cinch: indeed, it was a security update
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14:10<SamB>cinch: I think icedove at least
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14:56<cogito>I just installed Debian Wheezy lxde from the full install cd1 on a 500GB hdd using the graphical install and guided full disk partitionning seperate /home partition and software choice desktop environment and system utilities.
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14:56<cogito>Now i reboot and i get nothing. after the bios the screen is black and nothing else happens
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14:57<ekiwok>my jessie netinstall cannot find hard drives
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14:57<SamB>ekiwok: don't install jessie!
14:57<SamB>install wheezy and upgrade after
14:58<ekiwok>SamB, shoud I ?
14:58<cogito>hi SamB still here
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14:58<ekiwok>ok, I'll try with wheezy
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14:59<SamB>cogito: you have the worst luck :-(
14:59<cogito>SamB: I know
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15:00<cogito>SamB: That's how i'v learned to use computers. always have to fight them to make them work
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15:01<cogito>How can i check the boot and the install for problems?
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15:22<cogito>anyone here know how to diagnose and repair a fresh install that doesn't seem to boot?
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15:28<musca>cinch: are there any hints on the matter?
15:28<bernat>cogito: there's no proven method, you may need a live cd
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15:28<musca>cogito: ^ , sorry cinch
15:28<cinch>musca, np ;)
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15:30<cogito>bernat: I am using the live cd/usb right now as my install just doesn't seem to boot.
15:30<bernat>cogito: the problem might be in the partition setup, specifically the boot partition selection
15:31<cogito>could it be booting but not showing anything because i'm using a flat screen tv as a monitor and it has a weird native resolution 1366/768 i think
15:31<bernat>if your screen goes blank after bios init you'll need to configure and install grub
15:31<bernat>I don't think that's a problem
15:31<bernat>did you accept the default partition scheme or did you changed it?
15:31<luser0>Is there a clean way to remove old heads in grub?
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15:32<cogito>bernat: grub is already installed and configure, how can i re-install it or re-configure it from the live, since the other isn't accessible
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15:33<musca>luser0: what are "old heads"?
15:33<cogito>I found the grub.cfg file but it says not to edit and i wouldn't what to edit anyways
15:33<luser0>worn out novel disk partitions
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15:34<sney>debian's grub config are in /etc/grub.d, you edit those files then run update-grub
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15:34<sney>if you have old *kernels* in grub then just remove the packages and the menu entries will go too
15:34<luser0>superblock contents with no real disk extensions
15:34<bernat>cogito: you should be able to access the filesystem
15:34<luser0>okay, that sounds easy
15:35<cogito>bernat: yes with pcmanfm
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15:36<bernat>cogito: I don't know what that is, anyway, you edit the files there in case you see there's something wrong and run grub-install
15:36<bernat>cogito: what's your boot drive/partition?
15:37<SamB>it sounds like luser0 wants grub to stop adding menu entries for old partitions that used to have other OSes installed in them?
15:38<luser0>well, maybe... but not if they can still be used for a valid netlink to someone else's disk farm
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15:38<luser0>I like having cloud access without asking for it
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15:40<cogito>bernat: It's /dev/sdb1
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15:41<cogito>hi jmcknight
15:41<bernat>cogito: is it the only OS in the hard disk?
15:41<cogito>bernat: Yes and no data
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15:42<bernat>cogito: what's on /dev/sda (the first drive)?
15:43<cogito>bernat: It's an old ide 120GB with an ntfs partition
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15:44<cogito>bernat: My bios is set to boot from the 500GB sata at /dev/sdb
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15:45<bernat>cogito: then you can try grub-install --boot-directory /mnt/sdb1 /dev/sdb
15:45<bernat>cogito: change /mnt/sdb1 to the path where your installed system is mounted
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15:47<cogito>bernat: It seems to be mounted at /media/59fc7657-1d01-4a95-8616-e5236e297312
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15:49<jmcknight>cogito: why is it mounted under /media?
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15:49<jmcknight>is this from a live CD or the installer?
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15:50<cogito>bernat: jmcknight:
15:50<cogito>jmcknight: The live cd puts all mounts in media apparently
15:50<luser0>Debian on 12 inch floppy?
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15:51<jmcknight>are you actually installing Debian? the installer will always mount partitions to /target
15:51<bernat>cogito: which live cd are you using? where it is from?
15:51<cogito>jmcknight: I am using the my live usb because the install doesn't boot
15:52<jmcknight>does the live CD have an installer? never used one
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15:52<jmcknight>only ever installed from netinst
15:52<bernat>cogito: you should use a Debian live cd
15:52<cogito>bernat: It's from get debian and it's the live i386 lxde but put on usb with unetbootin
15:53<bernat>cogito: are you running grub-install as root?
15:53<cogito>bernat: no
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15:53<luser0>what's a unetbootin, is that a purchased software?
15:53<bernat>cogito: you should
15:53<bernat>luser0: google it
15:53<cogito>luser0: nope just installed package
15:53<jmcknight>luser0: no. it writes ISO images to USB
15:53<jddccn>is there a command to see what's installed from the non-free repos?
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15:54<jmcknight>cogito: did you actually go through any sort of install process?
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15:54<bernat>!non-free list
15:54<dpkg>To see a list of <non-free> and <contrib> packages installed on your system, run «aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'». See also <aptitude search>.
15:54<jmcknight>the last step of the installer should ask whether you want to install grub or not
15:54<jmcknight>not sure why you're manually needing to do this
15:55<bernat>jmcknight: the installer might have installed grub in the wrong drive
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15:55<jmcknight>bernat: of course, could happen. i'm just curious if he went through the install process or not
15:55<cogito>jmcknight: Yes i went trough the whole install and it did install grub and then it restarted telling me to remove the installation cd but it didn't boot the hdd install, even after 2 or 3 reboots
15:56<jmcknight>cogito: do you need the first drive?
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15:57<cogito>bernat: as root, still command not found, maybe the live cd doesn't come with gub
15:57<luser0>A 686 with a Jaguar SATA?
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15:57<luser0>then booting from a stick?
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15:57<terrible96>hi i have problem when i run ifconfig there is nothing on it i mean etho and lo doesnt appear there and i have no internet there is a way to reconfigure that????
15:58<luser0>wow, to each his own, I guess
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15:58<jddccn>lol is conky-all non-free or contrib? never would have guessed...
15:59<cogito>bernat: jmcknight should i install grub2 and retry?
15:59<luser0>yep, GRUB2
15:59<bernat>cogito: install grub2?
16:00<jmcknight>how did grub not get installed?
16:00<jmcknight>pretty sure that's a core package
16:00<luser0>got a netiso with old boot
16:00<luser0>my guess?
16:00<cogito>bernat: synaptic says that my live debian doesn't have the grub2 package
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16:01<jddccn>is debian (apart from non-free and contrib) free software? (kernel?)
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16:01<cogito>bernat: jmcknight the hdd install has it but the live one doesn't seem to, guess it doesn't need it
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16:02<musca>!tell terrible96 about interfaces
16:02<luser0>jddccn: no, you have to apply the time to shape it to your needs, that's costly
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16:03<jmcknight>cogito: my help is somewhat limited here as i've never done an install from a live CD. only ever used netinst or full ISO
16:03<terrible96>musca, i want to reconfigure the network card?
16:04<jmcknight>what it sounds like you need to do is boot from a proper install CD, mount your drives, chroot into what was installed and run grub-install from there
16:04<cogito>jmcknight: I did install from full iso, but then it didn't boot so now i'm trying to fix it with the live version
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16:05<jmcknight>cogito: is that first smaller drive you have needed?
16:06<luser0>terrible96, the etho?
16:06<cogito>jmcknight: yes, got 90GB of video on it
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16:06<terrible96>luser0, yes
16:07<terrible96>and lo
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16:07<luser0>right, is the cacheing correct on your l0?
16:08<luser0>or is your net ethers not right?
16:08<cogito>jmcknight: does grub replace the mbr or just hads itself to it? coz that's the same drive my XP couldn't boot from
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16:08<jmcknight>it would overwrite Windows' boot code
16:09<cogito>jmcknight: Would it fix a corrupt or damaged mbr?
16:09<musca>terrible96: did you see what dpkg told you? it mentions *examples*
16:09<jmcknight>cogito: neither
16:09<bernat>cogito: can't you get a more complete live cd?
16:09<jmcknight>terrible96: /etc/init.d/networking start
16:09<jmcknight>that do anything?
16:09<terrible96>musca, i dont undestand dpkg
16:10<cogito>bernat: I can install about 1GB of packages to it right now
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16:10<cogito>bernat: oops only 857MB actualy
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16:11<cogito>I installed gparted to check the partitions
16:11<bernat>I think the first install cd would be enough
16:11<terrible96>jmcknight, the problem is etho and lo doesnt appear and when the system is boot up take to much time loadind in network interfaces
16:11<bernat>cogito: can you install packages in your live usb?
16:11<musca>terrible96: zless is a command for showing gzipped text files
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16:11<cogito>bernat: not on the usb, just on the ram disk
16:12<bernat>cogito: then why not install grub???
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16:12<jmcknight>if he's in the live environment, installing grub wouldn't install to where he needs it
16:12<jmcknight>he needs to chroot for that
16:12<cogito>bernat: I asked you earlier if i should and you responded with a question mark so ok, i'm installing it
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16:13<terrible96>musca, so it is a way to reconfigure eth0 and lo
16:13<bernat>jmcknight: installing packages put the files on the right places
16:13<jmcknight>not when you're in a live environment and need them installed to your physical drive
16:13<bernat>jmcknight: no, he doesn't need that
16:14<luser0>well, you can set the right environment and do it without a chroot
16:14<luser0>but, who want to know that much about install?
16:14<cogito>bernat: in the install is asks me Debconf drug install devices and i have 4 boxes i can check that are my 3 hdd and my usb
16:15<bernat>cogito: mark none
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16:15<cogito>bernat: continu installing grub?
16:15<bernat>yes, but don't select any drives
16:15<jmcknight>terrible96: is there anything in /etc/network/interfaces?
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16:16<terrible96>jmcknight, yes the normal setting is there
16:17<ekiwok>how do I install radeon hd 8670 drivers? (amd apu a10-6800k)
16:17<jmcknight>that should be what brings up your network devices
16:17<sney>!tell ekiwok about fglrx dkms
16:17<jmcknight>so ifconfig shows nothing at all?
16:18<cogito>bernat: It actualy asks if i want to continu installing grub nowhere and says the bootloader may not be properly configured and may mess with a previously installed grub2
16:18<ekiwok>sney, I did it and ended up with elinks
16:18<bernat>cogito: ok, but is it installed?
16:18<ekiwok>gnome3 didn'ts start :(
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16:19<cogito>bernat: Not yet, i have to check continu and click forward or not check continu and click forward and see what happens
16:19<terrible96>jmcknight, not show nothing
16:19<bernat>cogito: you can install in /dev/sdb, we'll replace it later
16:20<bernat>cogito: there's no need to intall anywhere since you'll do it manually
16:20<cogito>bernat: writing grub to boot device failed continu?
16:21<bernat>cogito: yes
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16:21<ekiwok>shoud I write HD 8670 instead of MyGPU ?
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16:21<cogito>bernat: Install of packages done
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16:21<bernat>cogito: use the previous grub-install command
16:22<cogito>bernat: Installation finished. No error reported.
16:22<bernat>cogito: that should have made it
16:23<cogito>bernat: Any other way to check, beside rebooting?
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16:23<bernat>cogito: I don't think so
16:23<cogito>bernat: ok, then brb one way or the other
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16:24<ekiwok>sney, shoud I modiffy anything or just copy and past?
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16:30<ekiwok>!tell ekiwok_ about fglrx dkms
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16:31<jla>I have some files that I get input/output errors on when I attempt to read them. fsck.ext3 says it fixed a filesystem with errors, but it doesn't prompt for any <y/n> fixes. I mount and try to read the file again and get input/output error. What else can I do to repair these files?
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16:34<vesely>hey guys
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16:36<ekiwok>I cannot install my igpu drivers
16:36<ekiwok>how can I run gnome anyway?
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16:37<cogito>back but still using live. It booted but only in grub and i didn't know the commands to boot the install
16:38<Osiris_X>does anyone know of an application similar to "top" than I can also use to monitor cpu temperature?
16:38<bernat>cogito: then you need to edit your grub config in the installed system and run grub-install again
16:39<cogito>bernat: edit it how?
16:39<bernat>cogito: with a text editor, I can't give you more details, I'm going
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16:40<cogito>Can anyone help me with editing the grub configuration so it loads my installed debian?
16:40<cogito>bernat: thanks for the help
16:41<bernat>cogito: maybe installing everything again looking closely at the partition and grub options would fix it, or you can connect your boot drive as your first drive and that might take care of the problem for your new install
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16:41<cogito>bernat: I would if i could. somehow my motherboard puts ide drives before sata drives
16:42<ekiwok_>so is it impossible to haveRadeon HD 8670D working with Debian?
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16:44<shup>can i get some help
16:44<devil>shup: only if you ask
16:45<shup>im new to this so . im curently on 7.1 xlde
16:45<shup>and cant find a control panel on it to setup video and sound driver
16:45<shup>64 bit
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16:46<devil>shup: there is none afaik. sounddriver should be installed, you need to activate/unmute it (alsamixer) what graohiccard do you have?
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16:47<shup>gforce 6800
16:47<shup>the sound comes with static
16:47<ekiwok_>hey, I have following problem with installation fglrx
16:47<shup>it isnt clear
16:47<ekiwok_>fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers. /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system.
16:47<ekiwok_>One or more tools required for installation cannot be found on the system. Install the required tools before installing the fglrx driver.
16:47<devil>shup: so you should be using nouveau driver now. alternative is the non-free nvidia driver
16:48<devil>shup: are you using alsa or pulseaudio?
16:48<shup>i have no clue im using a logitec 5.1 system
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16:49<devil>well, I do not know either. besides that I need to run...
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16:52<cogito>On a live debian, i just installed startup-manager to try to fix the configuration of my installed debian and when i start it, all i get is a window with help and close buttons, help says page not found and close well it works but not much help
16:53<ekiwok_>I cant install correct headers ;/
16:53<ekiwok_>$ dpkg -l | grep linux-headers*
16:53<ekiwok_>ii linux-headers-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 3.10.5-1~bpo70+1 amd64 Header files for Linux 3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64
16:53<ekiwok_>ii linux-headers-3.10-0.bpo.2-common 3.10.5-1~bpo70+1 amd64 Common header files for Linux 3.10-0.bpo.2
16:53<ekiwok_>ii linux-headers-amd64 3.10+51~bpo70+1 amd64 Header files for Linux amd64 configuration (meta-package)
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16:54<ekiwok>it was awkward
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16:57<sney>ekiwok_: I seem to remember something about the proprietary drivers in stable not being updated to work with the newer backport kernels yet.
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16:58<ekiwok_>sney_ I think my issue is I cannot generate headers sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) retruns error, this headers I've posted are wrong, I have 3.2 kernel
16:58<sney>what's the result of 'uname -r'?
16:59<ekiwok_>sney, 3.2.0-4-amd64
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17:01<sney>,v linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64
17:01<judd>Package: linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy-security: 3.2.41-2+deb7u2; wheezy: 3.2.46-1
17:02<sney>ekiwok_: well, just type out the full package name then.
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17:03<ekiwok_>sney, how exactly? sudo aptitude install what-judd-written
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17:04<ekiwok_>sney, I'have error: linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 : Requires: linux-kbuild-3.2 which is virtual package
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17:13<ekiwok_>sney, is possible solution aptitude upgrade to solve dependency issues?
17:13<ekiwok_>sney, I cannot install headers because I'm still missing some dependend packeges...
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17:25<sney>ekiwok_: yes and make sure your sources.list has everything you need
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17:28<mhall119>I'm trying to download for some homeschooling parents, but it's working and I'm not getting an error, just an HTTP 200 response and no content
17:28<mhall119>can someone help?
17:28<mhall119>or provide some alternate download method?
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17:31<jla>mhall119: it looks like you can scroll to the bottom of the page you found that link on, click "released files" and get alternate links like
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17:32<Cyd>jo guys!
17:32<Cyd>I've just successfully moved a whole server
17:32<mhall119>jla: thanks, I found too which has working download links
17:32<Cyd>took me only 2-3 days to reconfigure all stuff and setup a database synchronization! yeaaahhh
17:33<jla>mhall119: that's the page I was talking about
17:33<mhall119>jla: ah, I originally was on and followed the windows download link
17:33<Cyd>but some database sync errors occured
17:34<Cyd>and I discovered some failure on my domain name service provider…
17:34<jla>right, and at the bottom the "released files" link takes you to that group_id page
17:34<Cyd>can anyone of you validate this: I changed the DNS entries for my domain and the ipv6 ip changed faster than the ipv4
17:34<mhall119>jla: ah ha, thanks
17:34<jla>good luck, hope the installer works
17:35<Cyd>causing sync errors on my dbs bc some users were redirected to the new server over ipv6
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17:35<mhall119>found out the online school my kids go to is requiring parents to install TuxPaint, so I'm pointing them to Tux Math and Tux Type as well
17:35<Cyd>and some users still got the ipv4 ip
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17:35<mhall119>jla: I hope it works too, I don't run windows :)
17:35<Cyd>which caused data imparity
17:35<Cyd>on the master and slave db...
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17:49<shup>any1 els out there who can help me with the sound isue ?
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17:49<shup>im hearing static on my sound
17:49<terrible96>hi how can i remove the service NFS daemon i try update-rc.d nfs-common remove but it said using dependency based boot sequencing
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17:49<terrible96>i have problem on booting the system
17:50<luser0>shup: i believe it is a feature, no static at all
17:50<shup>what do u mean
17:51<luser0>there is a white noise that "blisters" from the pink noise environment used on the Gcon chips by nvidia
17:51<bernat>shup, what kind of static?
17:51<shup>like . if the speeker is gona burst
17:51<shup>it isnt clear
17:51<luser0>you can use the paid driver, once it is updated
17:52<luser0>there are some load balancing conditions you can apply
17:52<shup>where at
17:52<luser0>but they depend on all the details of your system
17:52<bernat>some audio chipsets need the volume set to 70-80% to avoid distortion in the internal mixer
17:52<luser0>it is with the debian distribution with all the other softwares
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17:53<jla>terrible96: how about uninstalling the nfs service?
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17:54<luser0>bernat: it is a side effect of the nvidia pass through
17:54<terrible96>jla, just apt-get remove nfs???
17:54<shup>i have the creative system
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17:54<jla>terrible96: probably nfs-kernel-server, but yes
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17:58<shup>is there a way to make the sound clear ?
17:58<luser0>is there a way for shup to redirect the priority packets and avoid the noise?
17:59<shup>yeh but then its not fun to listen if there is noise
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18:03<bernat>shup, you can try lowering the master and pcm volume levels
18:04<shup>how low
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18:05<shup>do i need to reboot ? to take efect
18:05<devil>you will hear where the distrotion starts
18:05<bernat>shup, no
18:06<shup>i have them set to at 40s
18:06<shup>same story
18:06<devil>so the problem is a different one
18:06<devil>did you lower both?
18:07<bernat>shup, all pcm channels?
18:07<shup>just master and pcm is at 40s
18:07<shup>rest are all up
18:07<bernat>shup, you should try with different cable/speakers if you didn't
18:08<luser0>shup, the baseboard usb of front and back should make a generous difference
18:08<sabian2008>hi people... just one silly question
18:08<sabian2008>In order to expand SWAP memory, is it enough to just use any partition manager and expand the SWAP partition??
18:08<shup>im not using usb
18:09<shup>im using a 5.1 cable
18:09<luser0>right, you said, my bad
18:09<shup>there no other way to hook this up only this cable .
18:09<shup>i puted all the valumes at 40s
18:09<shup>still static
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18:11<luser0>sabian, you can change the swap value in the kernel and not give the partition enough page space, try it out, see if you like it
18:12<devil>luser0: can you please stop recommending nonsense
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18:13<sabian2008>devil: because of what he said to me or to shup?
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18:13<devil>both, yes
18:13<shup>devil u have an option to fix the sound ? dosnt hurt to try
18:13<sabian2008>the thing is, I used gParted and expanded the swap partition from 4MB (typo at install) to 4096
18:13<shup>any openion is good
18:13<shup>as long as it works
18:14<sabian2008>but when I use swapon -s, it still displays 4MB
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18:14<sabian2008>i don't know if it's because of some kind of "cache" issue, or because I have to reconfigure swap from somewhere
18:14<luser0>shup, you could drop all the ksecure options, but devil would probably consider that nonsense, too
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18:15<shup>well without sound . plantform is no good
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18:15<shup>thouse beep days are over
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18:16<sennin>necesito hacer algun negocio rentable podre hacer algo con linux soy usuario avanzado
18:16<bernat>sabian2008, swapoff then swapon -a
18:16<sabian2008>sennin fijate en el canal #debian-es
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18:16<bernat>!ops luser0
18:16<sabian2008>bernat: gonna try that
18:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bernat complains about: luser0
18:16<sennin>I need to do some profitable business podre'm doing something with linux power user
18:17*abrotman looks ...
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18:17<shup>luser if i switch to a 6. am i gona have same sound problem ?
18:17<bernat>abrotman, luser0 is talking nonsense to users asking for help
18:17<sabian2008>sennin: tu ingles es bastante malo, va a ser dificil que te entiendan aca, metete al canal de debian en español (basta con poner "/join #debian-es" en donde escribes los mensajes y listo)
18:17<abrotman>luser0: please go play somewhere else
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18:18<sabian2008>bernat: that only refreshed swap
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18:19<sabian2008>didn't make the system take notice of the new dimension of the swap partition
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18:19<bernat>sabian2008, after changing partitions you may need to reboot
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18:19<sabian2008>i did
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18:20<sabian2008>or do you mean after swapon -a?
18:20<bernat>no, after modifying partitions
18:20<sabian2008>i did a resizing with gparted live and then, of course, i did reboot
18:20<bernat>ah, ok
18:20<peterS>sabian2008: oh - you probably need to recreate the swap file / partition with 'mkswap'
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18:21<peterS>sabian2008: the swap file isn't just raw data, it has a header that indicates bad blocks and other stuff like that. mkswap can recreate it. (of course swapoff first.)
18:21<sabian2008>peterS: i was aiming at something like that
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18:21<sabian2008>i'll read man from mkswap
18:21<sabian2008>thank you both
18:22<bernat>sabian2008, peterS, true, you need to do mkswap on the swap partition after swapoff
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18:23<peterS>sure go ahead and 'man mkswap' but typically you just 'mkswap /dev/sda5' or whatever
18:23<sabian2008>should i reboot?
18:23<sabian2008>because this is what happened
18:24<peterS>sabian2008: if you've already rebooted after resizing the partition, there's almost certainly no need to reboot again
18:24<peterS>sabian2008: oh. edit /etc/fstab to change the UUID to the new one
18:24<sabian2008>it has some label issues, apparently
18:25<sabian2008>peterS: that should do it
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18:25<sabian2008>let's see
18:25<peterS>sabian2008: well or I see mkswap has a -U option if you want to force it to reuse the old UUID. Whether it's easier to paste a -U flag to mkswap or paste a new UUID to /etc/fstab is kind of a toss-up
18:26<sabian2008>hahaha thanks
18:27<sabian2008>peterS: does the kernel picks up the new UUIDs automatically?
18:27<peterS>The kernel won't care
18:27<peterS>this is just so 'swapon' and /etc/fstab don't accidentally find the wrong partition
18:28<peterS>for example if you happen to plug in an external hard disk that has a Linux install on it, you don't want your boot process to pick up _that_ swap partition by mistake
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18:28<peterS>specifying the UUID in /etc/fstab prevents those kinds of problems
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18:29<sabian2008>yeah, I used to know a little bit about uuids, but you see... when you have no troubles in a long time and you only use the system for functionality, you tend to forget those things
18:29<peterS>all that being said, I almost always use swap _files_ instead of swap _partitions_. They're not really any slower, and they are much easier to manage, create, delete, resize.
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18:29<sabian2008>thanks a lot both for the help and for the pedagogy
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18:29<peterS>heh, no problem
18:29<bernat>sabian2008, the same happens to me, I forgot about mkswap
18:30<sabian2008>peterS but isn't better to have the swap file at the start / end of the disk?
18:30<sabian2008>that's why i didn't take the make swap file way
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18:30<bernat>sabian2008, that's a very old saying, nowadays the better thing is not using disk swap
18:30<peterS>well, if anything, you want it in the middle of the disk, so that seek times to and from swap will be shorter on average
18:31<peterS>the other reason not to use a swap _file_ is that files can be fragmented on the filesystem. But if you create a large file all at once (with dd, typically), it probably won't be noticeably fragmented unless you're very low on disk space when you do it
18:32<sabian2008>peterS god damn it... they should update the installing tutorials
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18:33<sabian2008>it took me kind of a planning being able to leave swap at the end (because fucking ntfs partitions won't be happy everywhere...)
18:33<sabian2008>for the next reinstall, i'll now
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18:37<jla>I've got a some files that say input/output error when I try to read them. That sets the error flag on the file system, but fsck.ext3 doesn't prompt for any fixes and the i/o error still exists after a scan and remount.
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18:38<jla>What else can I do to clear the errors?
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18:41<pmart>in the oops kernel message which call from the "Call Trace:" is the latest? the one at the top or the one at the bottom?
18:42<SamB>pmart: I don't supposed you could paste a picture or something?
18:42<peterS>I think it prints the call stack top to bottom, where the 'top' of a stack is the deepest nested
18:42<SamB>it probably does, yes
18:43<peterS>(this is misleading terminology I suppose, because on some architectures, the stack actually "grows" downward rather than upward.)
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18:45<bernat>jla, it might be low level errors (disk surface errors), fsck can't fix them. It's rare on modern disks unless it's dying.
18:46<bernat>jla, you can look for some utility that finds the bad blocks and marks them, but it's a bad symptom.
18:46<jla>bernat: thanks. I've tried running smartctl long tests on it, they pass. I understand that isn't a guarantee.
18:47<bernat>jla, I might be wrong, it's a guess
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18:48<pmart>so the oops happened during execution of code from azx_acquire_irq() ?
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18:50<pmart>on the other hand EIP is pointing to generic_hdmi_init()
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18:58<jla>bernat: the filesystem is on lvm that's over md1, so it's trickier. when fsck.ext3 runs there are no errors to dmsg or anything. When I try reading the i/o error files, the syslog records EXT3-fs error (device dm-1): ext3_lookup: deleted inoted referenced: 52045304
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19:00<peterS>'deleted inode referenced' sounds to me like you need to fsck -f it. I mean a normal fsck will just say "oh this fs was unmounted clean, we'll skip it"
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19:03<james41382>If I create a file in /etc/udev/rules.d to try to hide a volume from the nautilus menu what will I need to do to test it? When are these rules loaded? I heard that there should be a README somewhere, but I don't see it in /etc/udev or in /etc/udev/rules.d
19:04<jla>peterS: yes, I fsck it and it runs, because the read causing an input/output error flags the fs. It doesn't prompt for repairs but says filesystem modified at the end (fsck.ext3 -v -C 0 /blkdev). I then run again with -f and it doesn't find anything again, and this time it doesn't say filesystem modified. I remount the filesystem and go try to read the affected files and again it says...
19:04<jla>...input/output error plus the deleted inode referenced message in syslog
19:05<peterS>but you say this is going through a couple of other layers - lvm, md - does 'dmesg' show anything from those layers?
19:06<peterS>(and does /proc/mdstat look normal)
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19:06<jla>dmsg just shows stuff for device dm-1. mdstat is UU for that raid1 device
19:06<jla>all devices in mdstat look ok
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19:07<jmcknight>try something like dmesg | grep ata1
19:08<jmcknight>and look for errors. i have a drive fail in my server and nothing showed up in mdstat
19:08<jla>maybe lvm or md is hanging onto stuff.
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19:08<jla>jmcknight: dmsg is just full of the ext3_lookup messages. I did "file *" in the affected directory.
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19:10<jla>The only non-"ext3_lookup" messages in dmsg are kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds, EXT3 FS on dm-1, internal journal, and EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
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19:34<porfirio>Hola, necesito cambiar la versión de Java instalada en el sistema. Tengo instalada la JDK 6 Y se requiere que un software utilice la 7
19:34<porfirio>Por favor, podrían ayudarme
19:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:37<jla>maybe it just needs some "shut-up and reboot" downtime :)
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19:40<porfirio>Hello. I am DEBIAN 7.0 final user. I need to install JDK 7 instead JDK 6.
19:40<porfirio>Could some one helpme please?
19:41<scientes>porfirio, apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk
19:42<scientes>its in wheezy, just not default except in unstable
19:42<porfirio>Ok, Í'll do it
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19:44<porfirio>Thanks a lot. It works¡
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19:45<porfirio>Have a nice evening
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19:47<porfirio>1.6.0_27, this the JDK running. Must the system restart?
19:47<porfirio>be restarted in order to get the changes?
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19:49<porfirio>do you speak Spanish?
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19:49<porfirio>There is nobody connected
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20:50<trio>hi all
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21:09<digitsm2>I can't access any of my CDROMs when I insert a CD
21:10<digitsm2>What should I do?
21:10<digitsm2>I use xfce
21:10<digitsm2>And the CD-Drive doesn't automount. However I can burn CDs using Xfburn
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21:23<anonNoobUser>Hello, I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for a quality free/open source GUI task manager/to do list in the repos for Debian Stable. (Wheezy) I'm used to taskcoach, but that's not in the repos. Thanks.
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21:25<cogito>Is there a support channel for xfce?
21:25<abrotman>cogito: #xfce on freenode
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21:26<Gentleman>!g taskcoach
21:27<abrotman>wtf is that?
21:27<themill>Gentleman: maybe you should just ask your question
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21:27<abrotman>or just ask google?
21:28*Gentleman googles taskcoach
21:28<abrotman>anonNoobUser: you may want to list desired features
21:28<cogito>Is this the right channel to ask for app suggestions?
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21:28<Gentleman>taskcoach is a simple and friendly task manager written in Python.
21:28<Gentleman>what is taskcoach
21:29<abrotman>Gentleman: just ask google .. quit being a pain
21:29<Gentleman>what is taskcoach?
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21:30<abrotman>Gentleman: please, ask google
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21:31<abrotman>anonNoobUser: but not in wheezy
21:31<abrotman>anonNoobUser: i do see odot though, perhaps look at that
21:31<anonNoobUser>abrotman: GUI, subtasks, dates, priorities. I know about tasques, but a bit limited. also know about org-mode, but would prefer Gui
21:33<anonNoobUser>abrotman: thanks, never heard of odot, I'll check it out
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21:34<anonNoobUser>cogito: sorry if this is the wrong channel for app suggestions. which channel would be more appropriate?
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21:34<abrotman>anonNoobUser: you're fine
21:35<cogito>anonNoobUser: I was asking not saying
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21:37<anonNoobUser>abrotman: thanks cogito: okay, no idea, but I'd think this is the most appropriate
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21:41<cogito>it's better to use sudo then su, right?
21:41<abrotman>that depends
21:42<cogito>in general, if i need to, should i just use su and do commands as root or use sudo
21:42<abrotman>use the one you're comfortable with
21:42<cogito>well sudo says i'm not in sudoers file so
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21:44<abrotman>apparently you're not comfortable with sudo
21:45<cogito>it's a fresh install and nearly my first
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21:46<themill>haven't we been doing this for over a week now?
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21:47<themill>dpkg: tell cogito about sudoers
21:47<abrotman>dpkg: tell cogito about grounding
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21:48<cogito>themill: Now, i'm neither live or virtual, this is a full install
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21:48<cogito>I also dropped lxde and now use xfce
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21:52<LtL>cogito: you could be using sudo in the time it took you to type those two lines - fyi :)
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21:53<LtL>not like 'sudo' is the *bomb* mind you ;)
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21:56<cogito>LtL: What's your point? I'm learning.
21:58<LtL>cogito: you wanted an answer, you got them. Commentary is optional. :)
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21:59<Misa3l_>i have a question...
21:59<Misa3l_>need update debian 6 to 7
21:59<Misa3l_>if i update lost or delete my files?
21:59<Misa3l_>home, personal files?
21:59<abrotman>dpkg: tell Misa3l_ about squeeze->wheezy
21:59<LtL>cogito: open a terminal, type visudo as root, add yourself, close and save, -or- add yourself to the sudo group. i prefer the former method.
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22:00<stderr>Misa3l_: Do you have /home on its own partition?
22:01<Misa3l_>one partition
22:01<blast007>Misa3l_: regardless, it's a good idea to have a backup of any important data. Better safe than sorry.
22:01<LtL>Misa3l_: best case scenario you lose nothing, words of wisdom, make backups of important files.
22:01<abrotman>it's an in-place upgrade
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22:02<Misa3l_>ouch i have 2 Tb files --
22:03<Misa3l_>need much much time for backup jaja
22:03<Misa3l_>thsnks my friends..
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22:29<adga>Misa3l_ your total files = 2Tb = much much much much......... time backup...... :(
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22:31<jenia>i downloaded a package called mit-scheme-doc
22:31<jenia>how do i read that package?
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22:31<jenia>or how do i check where was it installed to?
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22:31<SamB>jenia: run "dpkg -L mit-scheme-doc"
22:31<abrotman>jenia: dpkg -L foo
22:32<jenia>okay thanks a lot
22:33<jenia>there are two help programs
22:33<jenia>one is man and the other is?
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22:38<rule>I see audio in pulseaudio and I see my output device but I hear nothing
22:38<rule>I can hear zippering if I move the volume back and forth, so it is actually registering that there is a soundcard and sending something to it
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22:39<rule>and you can even see the sound coming in from programs in the playback tab of pavucontrol :(
22:39<scientes>could be a alsa sink issue
22:39<scientes>or a buffer underrun thing
22:40<rule>Is there a way for an ignorant simpleton like me to figure out which it is?
22:40<rule>usually scrubbing my system of pulseaudio fixes it
22:40<scientes>what sound card do you have?
22:40<scientes>i use to have a soundblaster with hardawre mixing so alsa without pulseaudio was great
22:40<scientes>but cheap sound cards need pulseaudio
22:41<rule>vti1720/24 envy24pt/ht pci card
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22:41<abrotman>rule: please only ask one network
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22:47<rule>I spent an hour trying to fix my problem and rebooted and it just works.
22:47*rule <-- fail
22:47<sney>it happens
22:48<rule>i tried to get my hd3200 to not lag when playing 1080p video for 4 months in gentoo and it works out of the box here
22:48<rule>I am so happy
22:49<sney>stable, baby
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23:55<oranges>How would I go about having a terminal open at boot and execute a command, and then consistantly check to see if said command is still running, and if not, to restart it? I'm sorry this isn't a debian specific question, per se (though I am running Wheezy), but I'm not sure where else to ask.
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23:57<sney>that's more like daemon behavior
23:57<mshuler>oranges: sounds like a job for something like daemontools
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23:59<oranges>Alrighty, thanks I'll go read up on it. Is this something I can get a terminal out of? I honestly don't know how to grab a process and display it in a terminal, and some of the things I wanna use this for require me to input from time to time
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