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---Logopened Fri Aug 23 00:00:15 2013
00:00<mshuler>oranges: most daemons run in the background and not in a terminal - that's what logging is for :)
00:01*SamB can't help thinking of a CD image mounting thing when people say daemontools
00:01<oranges>SamB: I figured he meant something else :p
00:02<oranges>mshuler: That's my worry, some of the stuff I'm trying to use this for are game servers. Need to be able to enter commands on the fly, not read about them later haha
00:02<mshuler>you can run daemons in the foreground in a terminal, but if the terminal crashes or is detached - then where does your daemon go?
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00:04<oranges>I think that's part of my problem :) I need the best of both worlds, I guess
00:04<mshuler>ah, I see
00:04<Infiltrator>oranges: You could just run the daemon as a daemon and then tail --follow the log file?
00:05<Infiltrator>That way it's running as a daemon but you can get realtime updates of its output.
00:05<mshuler>depending on the language (I'm most familiar with python) you can call an introspective command line while the process is running and do things, then detach
00:05<oranges>Infiltrator: I wouldn't be able to give it inputs in that case though, right?
00:06<Infiltrator>oranges: Not through the terminal, no; how does it accept the input? Could you redirect the input to a file?
00:07<Infiltrator>But if you're debugging, then mshuler's idea sounds better.
00:07<oranges>mshuler: I'm afraid i don't know any programing langauges
00:07<mshuler>oranges: for instance has some neat functionality
00:07<mshuler>oranges: sounds like you are about to learn ;)
00:07<oranges>That's the best part :p
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00:10<mshuler>oranges: what game are you talking about?
00:11<oranges>I run a few, but this one I'm trying to do this with is a Trinitycore WoW Server
00:12<mshuler>there has to be an API to do what you want, then, I would assume
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00:13<oranges>That'd make sense, I'll have to look into that. I think I was hoping for a catch-all for these situations, but it usually never works out that way :p
00:14<oranges>I'll try and learn what I can from this python script, and look into the api. Thanks for the help and leads! :)
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00:15<mshuler>oranges: oh python-q is not going to help you - that is exactly what it says, a quick and dirty hack - but it has the ability to wedge in some cool functionality like attaching a console by just including it in a python program
00:16<mshuler>what you want is an API that someone has done to make your programming easy (easier..) - that
00:16<mshuler>'s what APIs are for
00:17<mshuler>WoW stuff all usually has well defined APIs
00:17<oranges>Well that quick and dirty hack will at least give me some ideas for future problems.
00:17*mshuler is not a gamer at all, though..
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00:17<oranges>I'll for sure go give the API a peak
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00:17<oranges>I've found building the servers and maintaing them to be a lot more fun then playing them, oddly enough haha
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00:19<mshuler>I run an OpenArena server for the office - I know what you mean :)
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00:38<james41382>I want to hide the 100gb ext4 partition that is used with LVM2 and contains a 100gb VG and two LVs (/ and swap) from the nautilus menu. I have been looking on and off a bit today with the hopes that maybe I can accomplish this through /lib/udev/rules.d, but I am not quite sure how. Does anyone have experience with udev and want to chat a minute?
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01:07<mshuler>Dear all, IRC is asynchonous. Stick around when you ask for help.. This ends today's PSA.
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01:10<mshuler>asynchronous, even :)
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01:10<Infiltrator>mshuler: The problem is that the sort of people who don't stick around won't see your message. It's a frustrating cycle. :(
01:11<Infiltrator>Is there a way to get dpkg to /msg new people telling them to have patience?
01:11<Infiltrator>Or is that a Bad Idea™?
01:11<mshuler>it's in 'ask' I think
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01:12<Infiltrator>Well, I mean for dpkg to automatically /msg new people with that when they join.
01:14<Infiltrator>And there really isn't anything about not running away quickly.
01:14<mshuler>it's not a bad idea, since it happens rather constantly
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02:41<Khades>looking for guy, that uses samba4, packages in wheezy
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02:54<Powermaniac>Hi, if I was to install KDE after I had installed Debian with GNOME. How would I then uninstall GNOME to install KDE?
02:55<Supaplex>aptitude install kde ; aptitude remove gnome
02:55<Powermaniac>Thank you
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02:58<jm_>you can do that in one go too: aptitude install foo bar-
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03:05<Stummi>Powermaniac, you don't need to remove gnome to install kde, tough
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03:13<musca>Powermaniac: do you want to replace gdm by kdm?
03:14<Powermaniac>musca: Really all I'm trying to do is change the gnome desktop environment to kde...
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03:26<zeev>Hi, any ideas on this: ?
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04:03<zeev>Hi, any ideas on this: ?
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04:10<Supaplex>no idea zeev
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04:31<Ono>I already have a custom debian iso. How can I add some packages (without add dependencies by hand) without lost my current iso customizations? I have already read the simple-cdd documentation,but the examples are all about create new iso based on standard releases..
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04:36<ksk>Ono: there is this "build your own debian installation" tool interwebz thingy, just forgot the name of it..
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04:38<Ono>ksk, this?
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04:40<Ono>ksk, but my iso is installable, it is not a live :(
04:40<ksk>id guess one can add packages in that free-text-field, see docs
04:40<ksk>that does not matter. a debian livecd is also an install disk
04:40<test>somebody now, where is the problem, when my root command line I try to run, type password and then disappears, sorry for english
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04:44<jm_>test: are you using debian?
04:45<jm_>which version?
04:45<jm_>and what exactly do you mean with "root command line I try to run"?
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04:46<test>in wheezy are two command lines, classic and root
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04:47<test>and root doesnt work, only starts, but after typing password, it close
04:47<jm_>are you talking about a graphical login?
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04:50<test>Yes, I mean root comman line in menu
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04:51<jm_>sorry, I don't know which menu you mean
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04:55<test>jm_: applications-accessories-root command line
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04:56<jm_>test: ahh try checking ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.cache/gdm/session.log files
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04:59<test>jm_: and where am I finding these files
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05:00<jm_>test: these are absolute paths, open a terminal and run 'sensible-pager ~/.xsession-errors'
05:00<jm_>~ is your home directory
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05:02<test>jm_: sensible-pager ~/.xsession-errors it doesnt work and I type it as root
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05:05<jm_>test: you need to run it as user who has started X session
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05:07<test>jm_: ok, just works
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05:13<test>jm_:some processes take me performance of CPU
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05:14<jm_>test: you will really need to define "some" if you want people to be able to help at all
05:14<test>jm_: it names 'tracker'
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05:15<patryk>hi all
05:16<jm_>test: that's some search indexer for gnome, you can disable it
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05:17<test>jm_: ok, thanks, root command line still doesnt work
05:18<jm_>test: yeah try checking if an entry is added to the before mentioned logfiles when you try to run it
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05:19<dddd>Hi. Every time I changed my xterm settings (in ~/.Xsession) and reboot they get deleted, how can I keep them even after the reboot?
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05:22<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, in wheezy, how do i access the info on recently opened files?
05:23<dddd>I don't think there's suh function paranoidphreak
05:24<Maulkin>paranoidphreak: perhaps?
05:24<ksk>your desktop environment may have some feature
05:24<Maulkin>paranoidphreak: Not sure exactly what you mean
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05:25<dddd>Every time I changed my xterm settings (in ~/.Xsession) and reboot they get deleted, how can I keep them even after the reboot?
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05:25<test>jm_: for me it looks terrible, I mean file .xsession-errors
05:26<test>jm_: there are many lines with tracker
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05:26<paranoidphreak>thanks everyone
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05:27<Maulkin>dddd: What version of debian are you running, what's your window manager etc?
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05:37<dddd>awesome wm, debian wheezy
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05:39<SynrG>unless dddd is using a live system, I can't see how how that would happen :p
05:39<Maulkin>Oh, he's gone
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05:40<Maulkin>He's possibly messed with his initrc
05:40<Maulkin>dddd: Yup.
05:40<dddd>err, I haven't
05:40<dddd>only /.Xsession
05:40<Maulkin>dddd: can you pastebin it somewhere?
05:41<dddd>my ~/.Xsession?
05:41<Maulkin>dddd: your .initrc
05:41<Maulkin>dddd: it's quite possible that awesome doesn't handle Xsession properly
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05:41<dddd>excuse me but, where an I find initrc?
05:42<dddd>~/.initrc doesn't exist
05:43<Maulkin>dddd: have a look at
05:43<dddd>I will
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05:44<dddd>I'm not sure if this will work, it did load xterm, and the ~/.Xsession (I think) because when I opened it up it was empty
05:44<dddd>brb reboot
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05:45<Maulkin>dddd: Or read
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05:47<dddd>brb reboot
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05:50<dddd_>thanks Maulkin!
05:50<dddd_>worked :)
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05:53<Maulkin>No problems
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05:59<indexphinger>Howdy there
05:59<indexphinger>How do I set up my default actions for clicking something?
05:59<indexphinger>I'm trying to get MP3's to Append and Play by Default
06:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 620] by debhelper
06:00<indexphinger>versus Cueing up
06:01<indexphinger>I rather dislike right clicking to play a track instantly
06:02<SynrG>sure. so, in gnome?
06:02<Maulkin>indexphinger: what version of debian are you using? What player etc?
06:02<SynrG>that too
06:02<indexphinger>I'm using KDE :P
06:02<indexphinger>and amarok
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06:02<SynrG>indexphinger: and version of debian?
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06:03<indexphinger>I completely forget
06:04<Maulkin>indexphinger: cat /etc/debian_version
06:04<SynrG>cat /etc/debian_version
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06:04<indexphinger>open a terminal for that?
06:04<indexphinger>I'm still trying to ween myself off of windows once and for good
06:05<indexphinger>wheezy sid
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06:05<SynrG>well, for one thing it appears you have an extremely out-of-date sid
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06:05<SynrG>how did you install this system?
06:06<SynrG>(or an extremely out of date wheezy, i guess :)
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06:06<SynrG>from before the release
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06:07<indexphinger>I did debian netinst off of a pocket DVD
06:07<SynrG>how long ago?
06:07<SynrG>and when was the last time you updated your system?
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06:08<indexphinger>I haven't booted this install for several years
06:08<SynrG>so yeah, i don't think it is in a supportable state right now :P
06:08<test>hello, is it possible to change name of directory in home directory?
06:09<SynrG>indexphinger: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
06:09<SynrG>indexphinger:, for example
06:09<Maulkin>test: Probably, but could you give me an example? I don't really know what you mean
06:10<SynrG>indexphinger: you have a couple of options here. you could do a fresh wheezy install, or you could update what you have right now to wheezy.
06:10<indexphinger>its 3 lines long, may I paste it here?
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06:11<SynrG>it is preferable not to, even for 3 lines
06:11<indexphinger>oh ok brb pastebin
06:12<test>Maulkin: I have created a new user with 'test' name and now I would like to change name of this user, but when I change it in settings, only change the name, not name of directory in home, sorry for english
06:13<SynrG>indexphinger: looks good. so you could: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
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06:13<SynrG>indexphinger: really, it should have some other lines, though
06:13<Maulkin>test: Ok, it's a little complex, and possibly easier to set up a new user. Is there a reason you can't do that?
06:13<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb wheezy main" "deb wheezy/updates main" "deb wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
06:13<SynrG>indexphinger: otherwise it will be missing security
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06:14<indexphinger>I installed this when I was very new with linux, and now that I've learned my way around it I just have to get myself used to working in here unless I need to game
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06:14<SynrG>indexphinger: and line 3 really duplicates line 1 ... if that's your preferred mirror, just delete line 1
06:15<SynrG>indexphinger: then make the other lines from the factoid above, the security one (verbatim) and finally the wheezy-updates one (using the same preferred mirror)
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06:16<SynrG>indexphinger: so the end result should be:
06:16<test>Maulkin: ok and when I have many files as test user, some easy solution how to get this files in new user, without copying?
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06:17<SynrG>indexphinger: note that since you selected contrib and non-free, you should have security and wheezy-updates for those archive areas too
06:18<SynrG>indexphinger: once you've fixed that up: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
06:18<Maulkin>test: not easily. Basically, look at
06:18<indexphinger>So, to do an in place upgrade, just tweak my source list and then run the apt upgrade script ?
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06:18<SynrG>with luck, that will go well ...
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06:19<SynrG>since you had a pre-release of wheezy, there's always a slight possibility there's some "crap" leftover from pre-release days ...
06:19<SynrG>if you wanted to be 100% confident of your stable system, you would do a fresh stable install.
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06:20<indexphinger>could I just do a Netinst off a USB stick again so I don't have to burn a DVD?
06:20<SynrG>!usb install
06:20<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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06:21<indexphinger>Yeah I'm pretty confident that ill be fine with just upgrading my ancient install from apt
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06:22<indexphinger>what was the term command to run a text editor with root
06:22<indexphinger>su kwrite does nothing
06:22<SynrG>ok. there's the hypothetical case where in the pre-release one or more versions of a package with versions ahead of the one that ultimately made it into the release linger on your system. there's also the outside chance that some badly behaved package does not upgrade cleanly.
06:22<Maulkin>indexphinger: sudo?
06:22<test>Maulkin: ok,thanks
06:22<SynrG>those are the risks
06:23<SynrG>indexphinger: sudo, assuming you configured your system to use it
06:23<indexphinger>If I get any issues I'll just reinstall clean
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06:23<SynrG>indexphinger: if at install you entered an empty root password, sudo is enabled for the primary user by default. otherwise, it would have to be set up by you.
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06:25<indexphinger>sudo is asking for my current user's password...
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06:25<indexphinger>I have autologin (facepalm)
06:25<SynrG>and don't remember your password. ah ... :)
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06:26<indexphinger>Now I remember it
06:26<indexphinger>I wrote it on the inside of the computer case :P
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06:26<indexphinger>I'm not in the sudoers file :/
06:26<indexphinger>also, who will the incident be reported to? :P
06:27<SynrG>with luck, you know the root password?
06:27<SynrG>to yourself
06:27<Maulkin>Take your pick :)
06:27<test>Maulkin: it looks like easier way is to create a new user :)
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06:27<Maulkin>test: Pretty much
06:27<SynrG>indexphinger: you can just use 'su' then, and login as root. then do commands as root.
06:28<SynrG>indexphinger: you can configure sudo later at your leisure (i.e. read the doc :)
06:28<dpkg>From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
06:28<test>Maulkin: when I create new user, is that only done way copy all filles to new user?
06:29<SynrG>but that requires you to logout and login again before you're granted that permission
06:29<test>Maulkin: *one way
06:30<indexphinger>$ kdesu kwrite
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06:31<Maulkin>test: Well, you can do (as root in a terminal): "chown -R newusername /home/test/"
06:31<Maulkin>test: That should change them all to be owned by you now.
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06:35<indexphinger>1,670 packages to be updated
06:35<babilen>"wheezy sid"
06:36<babilen>I am not surprised :)
06:37<indexphinger>haha I have a machine somewhere in the garage with slink on it
06:37<babilen>But then you might have changed your /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect earlier recommendations to use track wheezy and exectuted "apt-get update" -- If you'd like us to take a look paste your current sources.list, the output of "apt-cache policy" and that of "apt-get dist-upgrade" to
06:38<test>maulkin:ok, thank you
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06:46<indexphinger>excuse me, my coffee isn't ready yet :)
06:47<indexphinger>859 updates, 164 security updates
06:47<indexphinger>this sounds more correct
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06:54<indexphinger>while those updates are downloading
06:54<indexphinger>Who wants to help me port Deb to an Allwinner A10 chipset *sly grin*
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06:58<patwotrik>i saw "depmod" in the terminal
06:59<patwotrik>and was instantly thinking of "depeche mode"
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06:59<indexphinger>every time i see kdesu
06:59<indexphinger>I think rozen maiden
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07:01<patwotrik>upgrade to jessie done
07:01<patwotrik>going down for reboot
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07:02<Rydekull>oh, sad face, I dunno why, but I read "spring down for reboot"
07:02<Rydekull>and immediately thought "hehe, will it fall?" but noticed it said "going"
07:04<indexphinger>I have this beautifully inexpensive tablet PC
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07:04<indexphinger>but the OS is painfully crap fileld
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07:05<indexphinger>I wish I could roll my own Android
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07:06<indexphinger>Well, I can
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07:06<SynrG>indexphinger: all very interesting, but probably better suited to #debian-offtopic :)
07:07<indexphinger>actually I'm going to to to the android IRC :P
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07:07<SynrG>babilen: ah, we're past that :)
07:08<babilen>yeah, I had the impression but never saw any actual output to verify it :)
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07:08<SynrG>yes. this is all assuming he followed instructions. anyway ... water under the bridge now :)
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07:09<SynrG>babilen: his prior sources.list explicitly said wheezy, at least. but was missing wheezy-updates and security.
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07:10<SynrG>so it's clear this system was actually tracking testing, not sid, and probably fine to upgrade
07:10<patwotrik>it worked :)
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07:22<tehuser>Hi, I'm running into a problem whereby apt-get's update is looking for ftp://..../testing/contrib/binary-i386/Packages and getting a 404. Looking on the server there is no Packages, but there is a Packages.gz - does anyone know how to point apt-get at the gz file?
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07:23<tehuser>I've tried a few different mirrors, but the same result occurs
07:23<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
07:23<SynrG>and don't worry about the actual message about "Packages"
07:23<SynrG>it tries a bunch of compression suffixes before falling back to that ...
07:23<jm_>if you are reading apt output saying URL <arch> Packages it's not really looking for that
07:24<jm_>well only for that and too late :)
07:24<SynrG>so there error really means "we ran out of versions of Packages.* and Packages itself and can't find *any* of them"
07:24<tehuser>83% [Arbeite]W: Herunterladen von fehlgeschlagen: Datei konnte nicht heruntergeladen werden; Server meldet: »/pub/linux/debian/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/Packages: No such file or directory « [IP: 21]
07:25<jm_>there's no /pub/linux/debian on this server
07:25<SynrG>a) please use and b) provide the information the factoid asked for ... exactly
07:25<jm_>so s,/pub/linux/debian,/debian,
07:26<SynrG>jm_: good guess. but i would encourage tehuser to follow instructions for future reference :)
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07:27<tehuser>Jm_ yes, you are right, somehow I missed that and was sidetracked by the Packages/Package.gz issue
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07:27<SynrG>(not to mention also the "localized errors")
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08:23<|Frederik>Do people here recommend icinga or nagios?
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08:27<sriharsha>hi, today I noticed that some packages (gedit, inkscape) which were present before have suddenly vanished and I had to reinstall them. Do you know what could have happened?
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08:33<sriharsha>|Frederik, thanks. autoremove removed them. Isn't it uncommon for autoremove to remove manually installed packages? I mean if I installed those packages, it is likely that they are not required by other packages except by me.. shouldn't autoremove not remove those?
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08:36<Stummi>autoremove should only remove automatically installed packages
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08:36<|Frederik>this typically happens if you remove a metapackage like gnome, which depends on things like gedit and inkscape. If you did not install gedit and inkscape manually but because of the gnome metapacakge, removing gnome, will make autoremove consider removing gedit and inkscape.
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08:52<Vikinger>any C programmers chan around ?
08:53<decede>#c ?
08:53<decede>think its bigger on freenode
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08:56<james41382>Vikinger: #friendly-coders
08:56<james41382>They are nice and helpful usually..
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08:56<Vikinger>thank you james
08:56<Vikinger>i hate freenode
08:57<Vikinger>its bullshit to register nicks
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08:59<Rydekull>Lucky for us, its optional
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09:00<patryk>somebody know good channel for c programing on irc
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09:01<ixi>they have ##c on freenode
09:01<ixi>(warning, lots of very angry people there, to be used only as last resort)
09:02<decede>freenodes not that bad
09:02<patryk>ok thx
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09:07<znalo>it isn't compulsory to register a nick on freenode, it's just an option
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09:09<ixi>znalo some large channels only allow registered names to speak
09:09<ixi>##linux is one
09:09<Vikinger>if you want vhost it is ;)
09:09<ixi>there probably are others
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09:21<ludwid>good morning everyone
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09:24<ludwid>Heading to work in a couple of minutes, but I was wondering if anyone has successfully updated their non-free nvidia drivers to from version 304 to version 325. I can't for the life of me get it working. I get a module error when trying the official drivers, but I was able to fix my broken system and restore 304 from the official repository.
09:25<ludwid>I tried updating it from the debian experimental branch, but I get dependency hell when trying, so I'm guessing it's currently broken.
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09:27<ludwid>I just realized that I'm in the wrong channel since I'm on jessie
09:27<ludwid>my appologies
09:27<ludwid>I'll ask in the right one
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09:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:40<Ad_m>Hello. I found company with use Linux, but don't share source code. Where report it?
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09:41<Rydekull>Ad_m: If its Linux I'd contact the Linux Foundation and see what they say
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09:41<Rydekull>they have lawyers afterall
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09:41<Ad_m>Thanks. The matter is with GOCLEVER - company from Poland.
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09:44<babilen>Ad_m: They don't have to make any changes available if they do not distribute their software. They can use it internally all they want. This is also not the right channel for this discussion and you might want to take it to, say, FSF, GNU or other organisations.
09:44<babilen>(at least to #debian-offtopic, but not here)
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09:56<Ono>how can I get graphical updates notifications in xfce on debian wheezy?
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09:58<SynrG>seriously? those are so annoying. one of the first things i turn off :)
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09:59<smb_>i have a problem about how use samba to access windows share directory, my debian is fresh install
09:59<smb_>how can i get start
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10:03<SynrG>Ono: maybe update-notifier-kde would work?
10:03<SynrG>,v update-notifier-kde
10:03<judd>Package: update-notifier-kde on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2; jessie: 1.2.4; sid: 1.2.4; wheezy: 1.2.4
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10:03<SynrG>if it just sits in the systray ...
10:04<SynrG>should work with any DE supporting systray
10:04<SynrG>(or WM)
10:05<SynrG>but then you would have to live with some kde cruft running in the background ..
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10:06<Ono>SynrG, too much dependencies to be an acceptable solution :(
10:07<SynrG>yeah, even *if* it worked
10:07<SynrG>i liberally borrow some other systray-things from other desktops as needed, though ...
10:07<SynrG>sometimes it's not quite as horrible as the kde case :)
10:08<SynrG>xfce4-volumed used in LXDE is not so bad. and even nm-applet (network-manager-gnome) is not entirely awful.
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10:18<Cod3r>Hello Guys
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10:20<ekiwok>what shoud I set in BIOs to be able boot debian with 2133 MHz RAM?
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10:24<SynrG>ekiwok: er? pretty sure that's not a debian-specific issue :)
10:24<kevix>ekiwok: other than setting-up the boot HD, what else do you need?
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10:25<kevix>and setting up lilo/grub/grub2/efi?
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10:25<Stummi>(what are 2133 MHz RAM?)
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10:26<Stummi>oh, wait
10:26<Stummi>got it
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10:26<ekiwok>As default it is set to 1600 MHz I cant set it on 1866 MHz and everything wokrs fine
10:27<blast007>ekiwok: read your motherboard user guide
10:27<oranges>Where does Debian put the xfce desktop's xsetup?
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10:30<ekiwok>blast007, well I found one user guide in the box and all tips are irrevelant
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10:35<trico>not all motherboards support setting the memory frequency, and not all of the ones that due support setting a frequency that high. if both the memory and the motherboard support xmp, you should set it to autoconfigure. you may need to set a higher voltage for it, too, but only do that if the instructions for the memory say to. what motherboard do you have
10:36<ekiwok>trico, My motherboard supports OC up to 2400 MHz, my APU without OC shoud work with 2133 MHz and both motherboard and ram support XMP
10:36<ekiwok>trico, so I shoud leave it on auto ?
10:37<trico>probably, but you didnt answer my question
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10:37<ekiwok>trico, which one?
10:37<ekiwok>oh, ok sorry
10:37<trico>what motherboard do you have?
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10:39<ekiwok>trico, ok, now I've just turned XMP on and it seems to work
10:40<trico>good :)
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10:40<ekiwok>trico, thanks for help :)
10:40<trico>youre welcome
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10:53<smashedpotato>Hello, I'm an Ubuntu user who decided to try Debian, but not sure which ISO to download..
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10:53<roller>Hello, I'm an Ubuntu user who decided to try Debian, but not sure which ISO to download..
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10:54<Nemoder>roller: you will probably do fine with the net-installer linked on the frong page
10:54<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
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10:54<babilen>Nop, don't use the live CD for installation.
10:55<Rydekull>Not for installation, but to try it
10:55<babilen>roller: Do you want to install Debian? Do you have a working internet connection? (broadband?) If so: Is it wired or wireless? Do you know which desktop environment you want to use?
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10:55<babilen>Rydekull: sure, it's good (if a bit slow) for trying Debian :)
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10:56<Rydekull>They said try, so I made the assumption to try :-)
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10:56*babilen has learned to read between the lines, but lets see
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10:59<roller>sorry for the delay, I want an installable LiveCD, is that possible?
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11:00<babilen>I wouldn't recommend installing from the Live CD, but you *can* install from it. It is not the most thoroughly tested installation procedure though and you also have to take care of firmware.
11:01<roller>Is the liveCD as reliable as Ubuntu LiveCD?
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11:02<babilen>roller: You can find the live images on along with documentation and it is a good live CD. My recommendation would still be to use the "normal" debian-installer install images if your goal is to actually install Debian. Answering my earlier questions would allow me to recommend the best image to you. (also: do you want to install from USB ?)
11:02<babilen>It really depends on what you want
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11:03<roller>I'm intending to try it at first using VirtualBox
11:03<babilen>roller: You can install from our normal images just fine in vbox (or kvm with virt-manager)
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11:04*babilen never quite understood the popularity of vbox over kvm
11:04<roller>Pardon me, but what's kvm?!
11:04<trico>kernel virtual machine
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11:05<SynrG>roller: i'm one of the developers responsible for the installer on the live image. the most reliable method is to select "install" from the boot menu
11:05<babilen>roller: + +
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11:05<SynrG>roller: i've encountered few issues with that method. it doesn't handle as many corner cases as a standard install ...
11:05<babilen>SynrG: Does that start the "normal" d-i ?
11:05<SynrG>babilen: yes, it does
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11:06<SynrG>the only thing it lacks is what it fails to include (i.e. it is limited only to english, and the one desktop flavour on the image)
11:06<babilen>SynrG: Is it stable/tested enough to recommend it as standard installation over the "normal" images these days if users prefer a live CD?
11:06<SynrG>that's not to say it won't *install* other locales ...
11:06<SynrG>but it only has the one locale *generated*
11:06<SynrG>so from the installer pov, you end up with a standard debian install
11:06<roller>SynrG: will that "Install" option use CLI installation or GUI installation?
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11:06<SynrG>it just uses a "shortcut" to installing debian packages ...
11:07<SynrG>which are all completely unmodified debian packages
11:07<SynrG>it installs these from the live image squashfs itself instead of the normal bootstrap process
11:07<babilen>roller: What do you want to install eventually? Why do you want a live CD? Do you have a working internet connection?
11:07<SynrG>(but that was just installed with a standard debian bootstrap + apt to get other packages, so should be equivalent)
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11:08<SynrG>roller: either. there are two menu options
11:08<roller>babilen: my internet is slow and choppy, and I'm thinking about distributing this ISO image to some friends to let them try it too..
11:08<SynrG>roller: select the one you prefer
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11:08<roller>SynrG: Will the CLI installation be as reliable as the standard ISO image installation?
11:09<SynrG>roller: with the caveats mentioned above. for details, see which explains those caveats
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11:09<SynrG>the one thing that page is not as clear about is that there are integration issues running the installer from the desktop launcher icon ...
11:10<babilen>roller: Which desktop environment do you want to install? Do you want your friends to be able to run a live CD or should they be able to simply install it (in a VM if they want to) ?
11:10<SynrG>i've heard of failures in some corner cases (non-standard install options of some kinds)
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11:10<SynrG>but for "normal" installs, should be fine.
11:10<babilen>SynrG: How is firmware handled for the live CD? Does it create a second partition too to which one can unpack the firmware.tar.gz ?
11:10<SynrG>sorry i don't have more details than that.
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11:10<SynrG>babilen: in the normal way, searching all block devices until it finds one with firmware ...
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11:11<SynrG>and uh, the iso hybrid is read-only, so ...
11:11<SynrG>and stomps the whole contents of the key
11:11<SynrG>and is tricky to partition ...
11:11<SynrG>see for a different approach :)
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11:12<babilen>Well, the installer images result in two partitions being written to the stick. The second of which is large enough for the firmware - I am just unsure what the stick will look like after a "cp live-cd.iso /dev/sdX ; sync"
11:12<babilen>Or would one have to grab the stable+non-free version for that?
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11:21<roller>sorry for being late.. Not sure which desktop environment is better for me, can I try them all??
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11:21<trico>ive run into glitches installing all of them
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11:22<roller>And I prefer to have a LiveCD so that my friends can try it easily and quickly.. babilen
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11:23<roller>So.. will the live CD contain all those 4 desktop environments?
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11:25<SynrG>babilen: it was intended to build unofficial live images with firmware included. due to a bug in the build procedure that never happened for 7.0.0. and 7.0.1 images weren't ever made, so ...
11:25<SynrG>babilen: and no, there is no 2nd partition into which you could drop firmware, sadly
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11:25<SynrG>babilen: mind you, you *could* repartition ... as it uses xorriso
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11:26<SynrG>dba: super
11:26<SynrG>dba: so, FSVO of "never" ;)
11:26<SynrG>dba: not installed to cdimage.d.o yet, though?
11:27<SynrG>(or will they simply not carry this? i think they carry the unofficial standard d-i images ...)
11:28<SynrG>roller: so there you go. use those
11:28<SynrG>that covers the firmware issue
11:29<roller>Excuse me, but what will debian-live-7.0.0-i386-standard.iso give me regarding the Desktop Environment?
11:29<f8l>roller: Nothing, I guess.
11:29<mshuler>fwiw, a better link would be - stable+nonfree symlink will always point to the latest version
11:29<roller>f8l: you mean a Live CLI system?
11:30<mshuler>dang it..
11:30<f8l>roller: Oh, I didn't notice it's live. I never used Debian Live, but that might be right.
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11:31<roller>f8l: what is the best/most common/smoothest desktop environment used with Debian??
11:31<Rydekull>You're coming from ubuntu, used it a long time?
11:31<f8l>roller: It depends what you prefer. I don't use a DE, so don't ask me. ;-)
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11:31<mshuler>what is the best/most common/smoothest flavor of ice cream?
11:31<roller>About 5 years so far..
11:31<Rydekull>roller: go with gnome
11:32<roller>mshuler: most common: Vanilla ;)
11:32<roller>Rydekull: I will, but will I be able to use the other DEs after I install?
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11:32<mshuler>see, I would argue that KDE is a better option, but then we get into a religious conversation
11:32<f8l>roller: I'd say it's cream, but that probably depend on where you are.
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11:33<babilen>roller: In the light of firmware issues that you will encounter I would recommend the following: Use a live CD for showing Debian to your friends and then download CD1 and the firmware.tar.gz from -- Do you want to burn the image to a CD or write it to a USB stick?
11:33<f8l>Rydekull: Yes. You can change DEs any time. You can even install all at once and switch between them daily. ;-)
11:34<Rydekull>f8l: roller ^
11:34<f8l>Rydekull: Sorry.
11:34<roller>babilen: I'll upload the ISO to a local Intranet accessable by my friends..
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11:34<babilen>roller: I would also recommend Gnome, but there are plenty of alternatives and you can take a look at and to learn more about the most commonly used desktop environments.
11:34<roller>Thanks f8l. I think I'll then start with KDE since I enjoy its graphics ;)
11:35*mshuler pat-pats roller :)
11:35<roller>babilen: I think a little change will be enjoyable, I'll go with KDE apparently
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11:35<babilen>roller: In that case it shouldn't be a problem to make two images available -- How will *they* boot from it? Do you have some PXE/TFTP infrastructure available or is this a simple "file-sharing" network filesystem?
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11:35<roller>Simple File-sharing network
11:36<babilen>roller: If you like KDE then go with it - I never enjoyed it and deemed it horribly overengineered (but then I use awesomewm, so you might not take advice from a frugal person such as me)
11:37<babilen>roller: In that case download the live image + CD1 or DVD1 + firmware.tar.gz and you should have everything that is necessary to install and test Debian.
11:37<babilen>dpkg: tell roller about install kde
11:37<roller>what is that "firmware.tar.gz" ??
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11:38<babilen>roller: You can download it from the link I provided above and it included firmware binary blobs that is needed by various hardware.
11:38<babilen>dpkg: tell roller about firmware
11:38<babilen>dpkg: tell roller about install debian
11:38<babilen>dpkg: tell roller about installer firmware
11:39<roller>apparently dpkg is somewhat talkative ;)
11:39<SynrG>roller: if you do have problems specific to the live images, please feel free to drop by #debian-live and bug us
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11:40<roller>Is there something like a Single Installation CD?
11:40<babilen>It is - I asked the bot to send you some factoids that might come in handy soon. I would personally give Gnome 3, KDE and XFCE a try and decide which DE you like best. Coming from Ubuntu you really should experience the real™ Gnome 3 experience at least once. And as f8l pointed out earlier: You can easily install all of them later.
11:41<surface-vermin>does any one know why when install xfce4 as default i get half gnome 3.4 ?
11:41<SynrG>roller: yes, DVD-1
11:41<SynrG>but it's not live
11:41<roller>OK, So if I pick debian-live-7.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso will I need a firmware file?
11:41<babilen>roller: Yes, there is DVD1 which contains everything you need to install either of the four previously mentioned desktop environments (the bot told you how to pick KDE, you can pick any other in that menu too .. Gnome is installed by default)
11:41<SynrG>also netinst could be considered a "single installation CD"
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11:42<babilen>roller: That image does *not* contain firmware as I've discussed with SynrG earlier. You can unpack the firmware.tar.gz on a USB stick later on.
11:42<Rydekull>netinstall ftw :-)
11:42<SynrG>actually, the multiarch flavour of that could be considered a "single installation CD" ... actually, the non-free unofficial version of the multiarch netinst ...
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11:43<SynrG>roller: as i linked above ... the 7.0.1 images *do* have unofficial non-free flavours
11:43<babilen>roller: The *easiest* way to install Debian without any problems regarding firmware is by using the non-free firmware netinstall image, but that will download packages during the installation. You explicitly didn't want that which means that you have (if necessary) to provide the firmware files (as contained in firmware.tar.gz) on an external medium (usb stick) during the installation.
11:44<surface-vermin>i thought on jessie it's xfce4 ?
11:44<SynrG>^^ what babilen said
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11:45<babilen>roller: I asked you multiple times if you want to install from USB or CD, but you haven't answered that. I am willing to provide more specific instructions to the point of "download this, do that, frobulate the foo", but your intention seems to be to leave all options open which makes it hard to be specific.
11:45<babilen>surface-vermin: It is not
11:45<SynrG>so summarizing: option 1. (best) non-free firmware netinstall 2. DVD-1 with firmware provided separately 3. live image with firmware provided separately or 4. unofficial not-yet-released 7.0.1 live non-free image with firmware included.
11:45<SynrG>take your pick :)
11:45<surface-vermin>it's still gnome ?
11:46<SynrG>the last two options only have the one desktop flavour they are built for
11:46<babilen>surface-vermin: Sensationalist headlines in the past after a single git commit changed the default. That commit was reverted pretty damn fast and we haven't decided yet what jessie will release with.
11:46<surface-vermin>i swore i read some where it was changing ? ah i see thanks for the correction
11:46<sney>surface-vermin, xfce4 was the default desktop for about 5 minutes in wheezy due to size issues on a CD iso. but it went back to gnome very soon after. it has never been the default for jessie
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11:48<babilen>roller: If you were to install from a USB stick I would download DVD1 from and -- You can then copy the image to your USB stick by running "cp debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB stick, check ...
11:48<surface-vermin>thanks sney
11:48<babilen>... "dmesg|tail -n32" after plugging it in)
11:49<surface-vermin>has any one tried to use ratpoison ?
11:49<babilen>roller: Once you've done that you can mount the USB stick and *unpack* the firmware.tar.gz on the *second* partition of the USB stick (that is /dev/sdX2 in my example) -- That allows you to install all desktop environments using the same stick without worrying about firmware.
11:49<babilen>roller: That would be my recommendation given that you want to leave all options open. It is not my preferred option, but I deem it the best for you as you cannot decide on anything ;)
11:51<surface-vermin>babilen if i ran dd bs=512 if=/debian-live.iso of=/dev/sd* could i mount firmware on a nother partion on the use and load during install ?
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11:53<babilen>surface-vermin: I wouldn't use dd but cp and no, the live iso does not support that AFAIUI. And whenever you *think* you need dd (and not cp which scales blocksize automatically) you should use dcfldd which has great features (e.g. progress bar)
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11:54<babilen>If there is one misconception that I could clear up in the mind of every Linux user it would be the understanding that dd is in any way special and needed for copying "raw" data from/to disks.
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11:54<surface-vermin>so simply format the usb to a fat32 cp live iso and it's bootable ?
11:55<surface-vermin>dcfldd give's info while in use ? sor for the two part question .
11:55<sney>no, you still behave like you did with dd, just cp debian-whatever.iso /dev/sdwhatever
11:56<sney>I agree with babilen on not being sure that the debian-live iso supports this. the debian INSTALLER does but live is a different project
11:56<sney>SynrG would know
11:56<babilen>sney: AFAIU SynrG earlier: The live images do *not* support it.
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11:57<sney>they should!
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11:58<babilen>surface-vermin: You can copy one disk to another by running (for example, be careful with this, don't run it if you don't want to!!) "cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" which is equivalent to "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" *but* has a much saner syntax *and* scales the blocksize (bs= parameter in dd) automatically to its optimal value to ensure fast copying.
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11:59<babilen>surface-vermin: The only reason to use a dd-like tool (that is dcfldd which is the "big brother" of dd) is when you have to specify certain things like "copy four 512K block from /dev/sda starting with an offset of 1024" or so.
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12:00<babilen>surface-vermin: There is nothing special about dd that allows it "deeper" access or anything. *Everything* is a file and cp can work with block devices directly ...
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12:00<surface-vermin>i guess what i am asking is if i format the usb to a fat32, then cp live image it's bootable ? thank's
12:01<babilen>surface-vermin: But take a look at dcfldd for dd-superpower ... it comes with many goodies of which the most visible (progress bar) is really nice to have.
12:01<surface-vermin>yeah i looked up dclfdd
12:01<pmart>i need to unpack contents of debian cd to my filesystem. i mounted it and now i want to use plain ol' cp for copying. what are the appropriate options for cp (if any)?
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12:01<surface-vermin>awesome and thanks
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12:01<babilen>surface-vermin: No, you always write our images *directly* to the disk. There is no need to create partitions or filesystems prior to that. In fact doing so would prevent our images from working properly and would probably just end up in the iso file being copied over. :)
12:02<surface-vermin>ok so what would be best a blank msdos partition table ?
12:02<SynrG>surface-vermin, babilen, sney: as of wheezy, the live images are built with xorriso so although they are not *preconfigured* with another partition, another partition could be added for adding firmware, and as i said earlier, there are non-free images including firmware (not yet released) for 7.0.1
12:02<babilen>surface-vermin: As I said: This is one of the misconceptions a lot of people seem to have about dd vs. cp (and cat, ...) and one that I would love to clarify.
12:03<babilen>SynrG: It would IMHO make sense to create two partitions by default in the future.
12:03<roller>babilen: sorry for delay, I'm intending to install it on VirtualBox first, then I may install it from CD/DVD
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12:04<stderr>pmart: -a, or maybe just -r.
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12:05<SynrG>babilen: look forward to the wishlist :)
12:05<pmart>mind you, you cannot change partition tables of to regular (non-live) images because they contain corrupt gpt:
12:05<babilen>SynrG: yay
12:05<SynrG>babilen: i mean i ... specifically, am looking forward to seeing a wishlist filed by you :)
12:06<pmart>and live images do not use gpt so are not affected
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12:07<SynrG>pmart: ah. interesting
12:07<patangal>have a facebook account?
12:07<babilen>pmart: That is just .. sad
12:07<stderr>patangal: Maybe... But it would be offtopic to talk about it here.
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12:08<pmart>yes, it is. people following debian install manual might get confused
12:08<patangal>i will send u all friendrequest
12:08<stderr>patangal: This is the Debian support channel.
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12:08<patangal>what do u mean?
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12:08<stderr>patangal: It's not for random chitchat. It's for support.
12:08<kevix>patangal: you should join Diaspora instead.
12:09<patangal>ohh...sorry then....
12:09<Maulkin>patangal: Please go to #moocows for general chatting :)
12:09<patangal>i will not do chitchat
12:09<roller>If I use the standard (non-live) ISO image, will that also require firmware file?
12:10<kevix>roller: if you're hardware needs it?
12:10<roller>Can't it be downloaded AFTER installing the system? Like in apt-get or something??
12:10<SynrG>roller: yes. a certain percentage of "random" people you plan to hand out the image to will need it
12:10<stderr>roller: There are some non-official images with firmware.
12:11<SynrG>roller: yes, provided it is not needed to boot successfully
12:11<SynrG>roller: but that could make a bad first impression for affected people
12:11<patangal>yes!...u r wright
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12:11<roller>Apparently I'll have to delay giving it to those people until I get used to the installation process, because I'm getting really confused!
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12:12<kevix>some hardware can function without non-free firmware, but it may not have full functionality.
12:12<roller>I'll focus on getting it working on my VBox AND learn more about it at the same time..
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12:12<roller>kevix: is it possible to add the firmware later through apt-get?
12:12<Rydekull>roller: download dvd1 iso with kde, slap that into vbox and try it
12:12<Rydekull>roller: it'll go just fine
12:13<stderr>Except for the KDE part... :-)
12:13<kevix>roller: I dont know, I have not had to do that myself.
12:13<pmart>roller: yes it is. install package linux-firmware-nonfree and it will be loaded by the kernel as needed
12:13<patangal>hi everyone!
12:14<roller>Thanks pmart. strerr: why the KDE won't work?
12:14<stderr>patangal: Hi. Do you have a Debian question?
12:14<kevix>this is one of the contentious issues that seperate Debian and the FSF. If we mention non-free (by FSF) stuff, then we are not FSF-free.
12:14<stderr>roller: It's KDE... (It was a bad joke...)
12:14<patangal>yes,,,why windows have much more users then linux?
12:15<roller>stderr: Ahh I see.. Racism here ;) [And apparently you are at home, stdhell!]
12:15<patangal>yes,,,why windows have much more users then linux?
12:15<pmart>roller: err, firmware-linux-nonfree is the correct name
12:15<kevix>patangal: you need to understand why have less freedom when you use Windows. Then you will understand why we use Debian.
12:15<stderr>roller: Yes, I am. :-)
12:16<stderr>roller: And it's not racism unless you consider KDE users a race.
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12:16<Rydekull>stderr: well...
12:16<Rydekull>stderr: they are a bit odd ;-)
12:16<kevix>patangal: also, you can use Debian in Hindi, Kannada, Orrisa, Begali
12:17<patangal>hello kiisi ko hindi ata hai?
12:17<roller>It is Desktopism them stderr :P
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12:17<patangal>hello kiisi ko hindi ata hai?
12:18<kevix>patangal: no, but you can use Debian in many indic languages!
12:18<stderr>patangal: Please speak English...
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12:18<patangal> problem....
12:18<kevix>stderr: he was responding to my question, sorry.
12:19<surface-vermin>i also have one question last time using jessie i could not use or download ia32-libs, while using ubuntu i got ia32libs-multiarch which helped greatly i was wondering is jessie hase such library's
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12:19<stderr>kevix: Sorry, I didn't see that question. (Still don't.)
12:19<patangal>why are u all not aveing fun out here?
12:19<patangal>why are u all not haveing fun out here?
12:19<babilen>roller: You can install firmware later (you have to have a full /etc/apt/sources.list that includes contrib and non-free such as, but some hardware might not work correctly without firmware. (e.g. your wireless card, network card, graphic card, ...) which is why I recommended to make it available during the installation (if necessary! you will be asked to provide the firmware)
12:19<stderr>surface-vermin: Is it needed?
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12:20<surface-vermin>just to run some programs from desura
12:20<kevix>patangal: look at this:
12:20<stderr>dpkg: Tell surface-vermin about multiarch
12:20<surface-vermin>i know of dpks --add-arch
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12:20<babilen>roller: If you want to learn more about Debian and its package management system you might want to read and, in particular, chapter 6
12:20<surface-vermin>dpkg sorry
12:20<dpkg>Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again...
12:20<patangal>kevix: plezz wait....visiting
12:21<SynrG>surface-vermin: dpkg is a bot
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12:21<surface-vermin>i know just got the msg i was trying to correct myself
12:21<SynrG>ah :)
12:21<stderr>surface-vermin: What i386 packages do you need? Can't you just install them?
12:21<patangal>i got all information aboutyou all
12:21<surface-vermin>like i was saying i know of dpkg --add
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12:22<SynrG>go the context now
12:22<roller>This is my current download status for the 1st DVD: 0% 9,091,552 35.7K/s eta 35h 6m
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12:22<stderr>roller: bittorrent?
12:22<roller>No, wget
12:23<patangal>u torrent?
12:23<ilx>nice move patangal
12:23<stderr>Consider bittorrent or jigdo.
12:23<patangal>utorrent is good
12:23<roller>Torrents are slow as a snail on my connection!
12:23<babilen>torrents won't be faster on a slow link
12:23<kevix>patangal: and this happened a few months ago:
12:24<stderr>roller: It seems wget is too... :-/
12:24<babilen>no surprise there ;)
12:24<Calinou>why not use the netinstall?
12:24<roller>I consider it relatively fast!
12:24<Rydekull>roller: ouch, perhaps try the netinstall then
12:24<roller>12,630,164 17.0K/s eta 38h 21m
12:24<SynrG>roller: or a local mirror of the cdimages
12:24<Rydekull>Hrm, dont debian have a "intelligent" mirror these days?
12:24<patangal>i think....your internet is slow
12:24<surface-vermin>i would try to use different mirror
12:25<roller>Rydekull: netinstall will mean a whole day long install!
12:25<roller>patangal: Correct
12:25<Rydekull>roller: well, it's still faster then that download :-)
12:25<stderr>roller: ETA 35h... That's a whole day of download instead.
12:25<patangal>thanks roller
12:25<babilen>If the internet connection is slow there is *very little* we can suggest to speed it up other than "pay your ISP more money"
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12:25<patangal>yah! one is 1000 mbps
12:26<roller>stderr: I used to download files like that. I keep the PC on overnight..
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12:26<patangal>and your's all
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12:26<roller>And sometimes ssh into it from my mobile to see the progress!
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12:26<patangal>yah! one is 1000 mbps
12:26<patangal>and how about u?
12:26<stderr>patangal: You're repeating yourself...
12:26<pacomer87>hello, my name is francisco my from is spain
12:27<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
12:27<babilen>dpkg: ot
12:27<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
12:27<stderr>pacomer87: Hello Francisco from Spain...
12:27<roller>patangal: It is a 30'000 ID package, no specific speed defined.
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12:27<babilen>Could we take non-support issues to #debian-offtopic please?
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12:27<roller>sorry babilen. My fault
12:28<patangal>My internet speed is 1000 mbps and your's all?
12:28<Rydekull>patangal: #debian-offtopic
12:28<stderr>roller: I still think you should try the netinstall. Faster initial download and you only need to download the packages you're going to need.
12:28<roller>patangal: join me at #debian-offtopic
12:28<roller>I'll consider that stderr
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12:29<stderr>roller: And it's not like you have to download one package, configure it, download the next package, configure that and so on. It's download (most of) the needed packages, then configure all of them.
12:29<Rydekull>roller: here's the thing, if you setup a proxy on that first debian-install you do, and let that proxy all the packages you download
12:29<Rydekull>roller: every following install will go swift
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12:30<patangal>i am patangal and i am bengali
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12:31<jla>patangal: you are also distracting the rest of us with offtopic chatter. Please do so in another channel before you are ignored or booted. Thank you
12:31<stderr>patangal: In case you didn't notice already, you got a message from dpkg.
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12:37<patangal>hello frinds....i a new to debien
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14:17<N580-Noob>is there a debian user account creator gui?
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14:19<shup>hi any1 found the solution with sound yet ?
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14:22<mshuler>dpkg: tell shup about errors
14:22<musca>!tell N580-Noob about thinkpad
14:22<mshuler>dpkg: tell shup about smart questions
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14:25<N580-Noob>musca, thanks. i'm trying to find some info on which one whould be a good stable one since lenovo dropped the T430u before i could buy one
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14:26<mshuler>N580-Noob: the latest thinkpads, even if something doesn't quite work perfectly, will be fixed soon - I use an X201 and video didn't work well right at release time, but it was only a matter of a couple weeks, and it worked perfectly
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14:27<mshuler>so many people use them in the linux world, they don't stay broken for long
14:27<N580-Noob>so the new t431s then?
14:27<dpkg>[thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it (according to abrotman). Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. ##ibmthinkpad on
14:27<N580-Noob>that replaced the t430u
14:27<N580-Noob>yes i saw that
14:27<N580-Noob>i've been all over thinkwiki
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14:28<shup>mshuler im here to fix my sound problem . not foru to tell me how to ask things
14:28<mshuler>N580-Noob: I would imagine that it would work just fine - and if something is annyoing, report it :)
14:28<shup>u dont know how to solve a problem
14:28<shup>dont come up with debian
14:28<shup>go somewhere els
14:28<mshuler>shup: that still give zero context
14:28<shup>sound isnt working rite
14:28<mshuler>what exactly is your problem - am I supposed to guess?
14:28<N580-Noob>mshuler, is there a gui for user account creation in debian?
14:28<shup>now tell me debian is garbage or t he sound system whitch is it ?
14:29<shup>there is noise
14:29<shup>sound isnt clear
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14:29<shup>then flash when watching youtube
14:29<shup>there is constant echo distortion noise
14:29<shup>and everything
14:29<N580-Noob>shup, what volume level?
14:29<N580-Noob>out of 100?
14:30<shup>i set all to 40
14:30<shup>to chek if it were volume
14:30<shup>it isnt volume problem
14:30<shup>id like valume to 100 sins music and sound is good
14:30<N580-Noob>as long as below 70% max volume, should be clean audio
14:30<shup>who wants to listen to at 40... beraly could hear something at that
14:30<shup>it isnt
14:31<shup>for some reason no1 wants to belive me that it sounds like crap
14:31<kevix>I use youtube-dl and then download the video and play it in VLC
14:31<shup>see if others come with z5500 creative
14:31<shup>and ull belive it
14:32<shup>it isnt nesesery to dl when its live stream
14:32<shup>there has to be a solution
14:32<shup>not a problem
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14:33<N580-Noob>shup try a clean source, a cd-audio disc
14:33<N580-Noob>anyone know the package name for the debian reference manual gui?
14:33<shup>am i always supose to listen to cds how about youtube videos
14:33<shup>and movies
14:34<bigjust>shup: this is part of diagnosis
14:34<shup>with windows xp the system works fine
14:34<N580-Noob>shup, no it's just a test to determine source of noise
14:34<shup>lemy see give me a minute
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14:35<roughnecks>isn't z5500 logitech?
14:36<shup>it is
14:37<shup>the same story even with cd
14:39<devil>no idea if there is a solution in there, no time to read
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14:41<shup>i have a cd . for the system is it posible to use a window driver for linux ?
14:42<shup>i think linux is the problem
14:42<shup>and it isnt the speekers because the speeekrs work
14:42<N580-Noob>shup, that would be bad
14:42<shup>why ?
14:42<devil>shup: did you at least look at the links?
14:42<shup>yeh i saw the links
14:42<shup>thouse links arent my problem
14:42<N580-Noob>drivers are not cross compatable and will crash any system when not done right
14:43<shup>and they dont mention the problems im having
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14:43<N580-Noob>shup the first link didn't help?
14:43<shup>i see what u saying
14:43<digitsm2>I recently encountered a problem when trying to write a DVD with K3B
14:43<N580-Noob>ok well it's software but not necessarily a driver
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14:44<N580-Noob>what i want you to do is check your mixer to see if mic input is being mixed in
14:44<N580-Noob>that would add static to anything
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14:44<shup>i could completely turn the mic off
14:44<shup>cause i dont use it
14:44<N580-Noob>ok that works too
14:45<N580-Noob>then check the cd again
14:45<N580-Noob>the cd is a guaranteed good clean audio source
14:45<digitsm2>When I try to write with K3B it says "cdrecord has no permission to open the device"
14:45<kevix>shup: if you're trying to see if a youtube video played with a browser and flash are working ok, you can compare playing the video played with vlc, it would eliminate some possible sources of problems and limit it to the browser and flash.
14:46<N580-Noob>digitsm2, i think i read in the debian manual that you have to be a member of the right group to fix that
14:46<digitsm2>N580-Noob: What group?
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14:47<N580-Noob>i would have to look it up again ... man 5 group will tell you how to manage the groups
14:47<digitsm2>It was working just great, until I tried to burn a DVD
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14:48<N580-Noob>cdrom group
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14:48<N580-Noob>i looked it up
14:48<digitsm2>N580-Noob: I'm in the cdrom group
14:48<shup>what i noticed is
14:48<N580-Noob>ok then i do not know the answer, sorry
14:48<shup>inside alsa
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14:49<shup>pushing f6 seting creative x-fi driver
14:49<shup>then exiiting
14:49<shup>opening back up
14:49<shup>it keeps changing to another driver
14:50<shup>it changes to nvidia ck304
14:50<shup>on its own
14:50<N580-Noob>do you get any errors from running more than one sound application at a time?
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14:50<shup>where to i chek that ?
14:50<shup>a window comes up ?
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14:50<N580-Noob>yes usually
14:51<shup>no erors
14:51<shup>i have a good system .
14:51<shup>prety strong
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14:51<shup>everything has to work.
14:51<N580-Noob>ok good
14:51<digitsm2>N580-Noob: In the K3B error is says "mkisoft crashed. cdrecord has no permission to open the device. You may use K3bsetup to solve this problem."
14:51<mshuler>digitsm2: a quick search suggests there may be system preferences under settings?
14:51<shup>lemy tell u this . i instaled linux mint 15 speeeker works
14:51<shup>only 1 speeekr dosnt works with mint
14:51<shup>but i dont like mint
14:51<shup>that crap is slow
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14:52<shup>it has a lag after cliking
14:52<shup>2 second lag after click something. definately not for me
14:52<N580-Noob>digitsm2, have you run k3bsetup at least once before?
14:52<shup>with debian its fast
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14:52<shup>sound no work
14:52<shup>id like to fix t he sound
14:52<shup>and keep with debian
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14:53<N580-Noob>shup, i was checking for software conflicts, it's seems you do not have any
14:54<digitsm2>N580-Noob: Yeah I have run k3bsetup before. But this program tries to change some permissions. What permissions shall I change?
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14:55<N580-Noob>i would let it make the necessary changes, then use the debian security documentation to recheck for anything worrysome
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14:55<N580-Noob>the default permissions in debian are good
14:55<digitsm2>I tried to changed "cdrdao" and "cdrecord" permissions to 4711 instead of 0755 but it just got worse
14:55<N580-Noob>that said i don't think k3b does anything that bad
14:56<digitsm2>So I changed them back
14:56<shup>the funy thing is
14:56<N580-Noob>you may try 0770
14:57<shup>inside alsamixer even tho the driver changes . bsides that problem . fine i left it where it wants to be staying at at nvidia ck304
14:57<shup>but then in vcl player
14:57<N580-Noob>this would make it group writable but leave no world permissions
14:57<digitsm2>N580-Noob: After changing permissions to 4711 k3b issue error "k3b probably a buffer underrun occurred"
14:57<shup>audio divice . when i choose nvidia ck304 no sound at all. when i choose creative x-fi 5.1 there is sound
14:57<digitsm2>N580-Noob: 0770? hmmm. Let me try
14:57<N580-Noob>digitsm2, if it can't write to the buffer due to permissions that would occur yes
14:58<shup>can it be posible . im having conflicts with winxp and debian ?
14:58<shup>cause im sharing a hd .
14:58<N580-Noob>shup is there static under creastive x-fi 5.1?
14:59<N580-Noob>do you have a creative x-fi 2.0 option?
14:59<N580-Noob>or 2.1 or 4.1?
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14:59<N580-Noob>switch to 4.1
14:59<N580-Noob>and try the cd again
14:59<shup>4.1 even worse
15:00<N580-Noob>is the noise high frequency or low?
15:00<shup>its like if playing a car radio without antena
15:00<digitsm2>N580-Noob: I changed permission to 0775 and still the error "mkisoft crashed. cdrecord has no permission to open the device. You may use K3bsetup to solve this problem."
15:00<shup>and alot of noise
15:01<shup>when there is base there is noise
15:01<shup>i wish i could record it at this ....the way it is so u could hear this
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15:02<N580-Noob>ok 1 at a time, digitsm2 try rerunning k3bsetup and allow it to make all changes including permissions.
15:02<N580-Noob>shup, did you move any physical objects between running windows and running debian?
15:02<N580-Noob>or move the computer?
15:02<shup>i done separate partition for this
15:02<shup>if i go switch to winxp sound will work perfect
15:03<N580-Noob>how close is your cell phone/ipods etc to the computer (or it's speakers)?
15:03<shup>like another room
15:03<N580-Noob>i'm just checking a few things
15:03<N580-Noob>back side of same wall?
15:04<shup>no another room
15:04<shup>its not the fone
15:04<N580-Noob>any large metal objects near the computer?
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15:04<digitsm2>N580-Noob, Shall I allow k3bsetup to change ALL permissions? All my devices, cdrdao and cdrecord?
15:05<N580-Noob>in one case someone had their computer on the backside of the wall from the kitchen stove ;)
15:05<shup>is there a way for u to live stream listen my side ?
15:05<N580-Noob>digitsm2, yes
15:05<N580-Noob>shup not really
15:05<shup>or is it posible there is a bug in a debian driver ?
15:05<shup>for sound.
15:05<N580-Noob>that would help anyways
15:06<N580-Noob>shup it may still be a setting..
15:06<shup>does linux mint and debian use same driver ?
15:06<N580-Noob>try turning down (to 0%) all inputs on the mixer
15:07<N580-Noob>shup possibly
15:07<N580-Noob>they are both linux, just different distributions
15:07<shup>sound plays
15:07<shup>the same
15:07<shup>basicaly alsa player dosnt control nothing
15:07<shup>im using vcl for sound mp3
15:08<N580-Noob>ok that narrows down further
15:08<N580-Noob>mp3 always has some inherent noise due to lossy compression algorythm used. flac is cleaner.
15:08<N580-Noob>cd is cleanest
15:08<shup>dude wait
15:08<shup> u forgot i mentioned it b4
15:09<shup>how come
15:09<shup>i think if i solve this problem it might be the case
15:09<shup>how come
15:09<shup>after choosing xfi in alsa
15:09<N580-Noob>i asked you to try a cd and you said you did
15:09<shup>coming back in cheking
15:09<shup>it changes
15:09<shup>why ?
15:09<shup>now i puted back to xfi . i puted all valume at 0
15:09<shup>no sound
15:09<devil>shup: please do not hit enter after every word. thanks
15:09<bigjust>shup, try finishing your though before hitting <enter>
15:09<N580-Noob>i don't know why it's changing, someone else here is probably better suited to help you with this
15:10<shup>i see
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15:10<shup>well the driver changes . on its own to begin with that
15:10<shup>that may be the all problem.
15:10<N580-Noob>i'm extremely new to debian, (still reading chap. 1 of the ref manual)
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15:11<devil>you could try to remove the one not needed
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15:11<devil>shup: first check with modprobe, what is loaded
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15:11<shup>id like to remoove the nvidia ck302
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15:12<devil>you can blacklist it
15:12<devil>shup: lsmod|grep -i snd
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15:14<devil>to find the correct name, then you can blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/snd-bkaclist.conf by putting: blacklist <module> into that file
15:14<digitsm2>N580-Noob: I still get some errors (unfortunately I can't copy them)
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15:14<N580-Noob>or pastebin?
15:15<shup>devil what am i looking for in there . for the driver name i see in alsa ?
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15:16<devil>shup: for the correct name of the ck302 driver
15:16<digitsm2>N580-Noob: k3b says "cdrecord returned an unkown error (code 255).
15:16*devil loves meaningfull error messages
15:17<N580-Noob>i also need some help, the debian reference manual seems to not have any chapters on printing and settings doesn't have a gui and i need to setup 2 network printers, any docs for this or help?
15:17<N580-Noob>digitsm2, try reinstalling the k3b package?
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15:17<devil>N580-Noob: you can look into http://localhost:631
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15:17<shup>devil it could say ck302 in alsa and in . modprobe . smomething els ?
15:18<devil>shup: no idea, just making sure
15:18<shup>because i dont see ck302 in modprobe
15:18<devil>shup: then it is not active
15:18<digitsm2>N580-NoobL I wrote with K3b and the same dvd-writer many DVDs just before. I dunno what happened to it
15:18<devil>shup: modprobe ck302
15:18<N580-Noob>oh yes! thank you devil
15:19<devil>shup: does it show after that
15:19<musca>digitsm2: burning media includes sending potential dangerous commands, so you need higher permissions.
15:19<devil>N580-Noob: yw
15:19<shup>comand not found
15:19<musca>digitsm2: the "cdrom" group has those permissions.
15:19<devil>shup: spell correct
15:19<digitsm2>musca: I'm in cdrom group
15:20<digitsm2>musca, N580-Noob : I'm going to reinstall k3b and then restart. I hope it work
15:21<N580-Noob>digitsm2, is the drive physically hot?
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15:21<digitsm2>N580-Noob: Not now.
15:21<digitsm2>But it's old
15:21<plugwash>can anyone reccomend a program for graphing system status (network activity, cpu usage, disk space etc)
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15:21<bigjust>plugwash: graphite
15:21<shup>i spelded corectl
15:21<N580-Noob>digitsm2, if that doesn't work try a different new unburned blank disc
15:22<devil>shup: nothing means?
15:22<digitsm2>N580-Noob: Ok! I'll.
15:22<shup>should i try chip realtec alc850
15:22<shup>nothing came up
15:22<plugwash>I'm currently using mrtg but I don't really like it, especially the way it reffers to everything by weird numbers that can easilly change if you add or remove devices
15:22<devil>shup: that is good
15:22<N580-Noob>sometimes opening a disc for write fails if previously written to (or attempted to be written to)
15:22<digitsm2>N580-Noob: Shall I do "sudo aptitude reinstall k3b"?
15:22<devil>shup: now check again with lsmod
15:23<N580-Noob>digitsm2, apt-get install k3b <-- this will check the current install (but not for corrupted files, just missing files)
15:24<N580-Noob>also for version updates for bugs
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15:24<N580-Noob>the output will tell you if any changes were made or not
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15:25<shup>devil w hat do u exactly wana know ? soundcore ?
15:25<shup>because i dont see nothing like nvidia
15:26<devil>shup: if modprobe rezturned nothing, ck302 should be loaded now
15:26<devil>shup: can you pastebin the output of lsmod|grep -i snd
15:27<shup>i modprobed the chip
15:27<devil>the chip?
15:28<shup>yeh the ck302 u say its loaded but i dont see it
15:28<devil>shup: can you pastebin the output of lsmod|grep -i snd
15:28<shup>its too long
15:28<shup>u sure paste it here ?
15:28<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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15:29<stderr>shup: ^
15:29<devil>shup: i said pastebin
15:29<devil>put it on and give us the link
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15:31<shup>cant copy paste it wont let me
15:32<shup>there no copy paste option there
15:32<devil>shup: where?
15:32<shup>in the terminal
15:32<devil>shup: copy it in there and hit 'send'
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15:32<devil>shup: in linux marking something copies it, middle mouse pastes
15:33<digitsm2>N580-Noob: Reinstalled, rebooted. No success
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15:34<N580-Noob>digitsm2, did you try replacing the disc with a different blank?
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15:34<digitsm2>N580-Noob: Yes. But the driver doesn't turn at all. I'm sure both blank discs are healthy
15:35<N580-Noob>did the apt-get command actually change anything?
15:35<digitsm2>N580-Noob, I did "sudo aptitude reinstall". No change I can notice
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15:35<digitsm2>Notice: I am trying to burn a Video DVD
15:36<shup>it doesnt copy
15:36<N580-Noob>ok try a search (on internet) for your computer's model number and k3b. see if results include any bug reports
15:36<devil>shup: it does here everay day many times
15:37<digitsm2>N580-Noob: I think deep search is my final chance
15:37<N580-Noob>digitsm2, doesn't matter, open for write fails is lower level than trype of disc burn
15:37<stderr>shup: Did you mark the text with the mouse? What happens when you middle-click in the textfield on ?
15:37<devil>shup: mark it in the terminal, go to
15:37<devil> and give us the link
15:37<N580-Noob>wait, one more thing ...
15:37<devil>[21:31:59] <shup> cant copy paste it wont let me
15:37<shup>i tryed all control c
15:37<shup>and mouse cliks
15:37<shup>there no copy option. in the terminal
15:37<N580-Noob>digitsm2, you said video dvd or video cd?
15:37<devil>shup: just mark it!
15:37<digitsm2>Video DVD
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15:38<stderr>shup: You don't need a "copy" option. Just mark the text.
15:38<devil>shup: [21:32:52] <devil> shup: in linux marking something copies it, middle mouse pastes
15:38<N580-Noob>that's mpeg2
15:38<shup>i have it marked
15:38<stderr><stderr> shup: Did you mark the text with the mouse? What happens when you middle-click in the textfield on ?
15:38<N580-Noob>you said this was an old dvd burner, what dvd write speeds can it do?
15:39<shup>if i use the midle clik forget it the screen will disapear
15:39<shup>and alot of writings will come
15:39<shup>then ill have to scrol back to show u w hat u wana see
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15:39<stderr>Don't middle-click in the terminal.
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15:39<shup>i got u
15:39<shup>i got it
15:39<digitsm2>N580-Noob: There are 2 folders I have "videot_s" and "audio_ts". I just want to copy them to DVD
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15:40<stderr>shup: So where do you have to scroll back?
15:40<shup>i got it now lemy send it
15:40<digitsm2>N580-Noob: It's hp 1040d. It can write up to 16x I think. My dvd also supports up to 16x
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15:41<N580-Noob>digitsm2, try as a data disc first, then test in dvd player.
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15:41<N580-Noob>it's already mpeg2
15:41<stderr><devil> shup: can you pastebin the output of lsmod|grep -i snd
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15:42<digitsm2>N580-Noob: I'm going to do that. But if I try data disk, is my dvd-player able to play it? I'm the file system and so on
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15:42<digitsm2>I'm -> I mean
15:42<marinuta>hi guys
15:42<N580-Noob>make sure you write at 1 speed setting slower than the maximum. you will get a more reliable burn this way, fewer optical frisbees ;)
15:42<devil>stderr: what makes you think, ck302 should be there?
15:43<devil>shup: ^
15:43<N580-Noob>digitsm2, not sure, but it's already mpeg2 and that's what dvd players need
15:43<stderr>shup: Did the modprobe command fail?
15:43<devil>stderr: he said it gave nothing back
15:43<shup>i gona show u now wait stderr
15:44<stderr>devil: Ok, I didn'
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15:44<stderr>didn't see that...
15:44<devil>stderr: which makes me wonder why it is not there
15:45<devil>there is intel8x0
15:45<stderr>shup: Can you try the modprobe command again?
15:45<devil>no nvidia at all
15:45<stderr>And give us the output, if any.
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15:46*roller is back, his download of netinstall ISO is reaching 98% :)
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15:46<stderr>roller: At 99.9%, you'll be disconnected... :-/
15:46<roller>stderr: not a problem, in fact I
15:46<N580-Noob>devil, help!
15:46<roller>stderr: not a problem, in fact I've got disconnected several times
15:47<roller>but I always use wget -c
15:47<stderr>Good. :-)
15:47<devil>N580-Noob: cant read that
15:47<marinuta>after restart skype audio options are changed and I have *Problem with audio playback*
15:47*roller is now disonnected :\
15:47<marinuta>cananyone help
15:47<N580-Noob>sorry, what do i do?
15:47<devil>N580-Noob: now it works
15:48<digitsm2>N580-Noob: The Data DVD project of k3b works fine. I'm burning "The Big Bang Theory, season 1" on dvd in avi format, and it works great
15:48*roller is reconnecting with a speed of 4.7K/s !!!
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15:48<devil>marinuta: support for skype is hard, it's not a debian package
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15:48<N580-Noob>digitsm2, it may have been trying to make an mpeg2 out of an mpeg2?
15:48<digitsm2>N580-Noob, The problem must be from Data DVD. However I could burn another data DVD with k3b correctly
15:48<devil>N580-Noob: what exactly gives you that output?
15:49<marinuta>devil: but I think thats a problrm with my default audio device
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15:49<devil>shup: can you concentrate please, modprobe was asked, not lsmod
15:50<N580-Noob>devil, the webpage you gave me had me go to the top, click administration tab (success), click add printer (success) i got prompted for username and password which i entered. then got forbidden error as response
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15:50<N580-Noob>permissions issue?
15:50<devil>marinuta: i had probs with sound in skype, needed to go to settings at every login and do the testcall, then it worked. with latest version all is fine
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15:51<devil>N580-Noob: it needs root-pw, not user-pw
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15:51<shup>modeprobe nvidia ck804
15:51<N580-Noob>devil, on this setup debian is doing the sudo thing, root is disabled (no pw)
15:51<shup>comand not found
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15:52<devil>shup: concentrate
15:52<roller>shup: its modprobe
15:52<N580-Noob>is there a cli command i can run in a root shell?
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15:53<marinuta>devil: yes but I need to do this at every login, but my mother also use this computer so this is a problem
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15:53<devil>N580-Noob: if it's hp-printers, you could use hp-setup from the hplips package. with sudo i have no experience, never used it
15:53<devil>marinuta: what version of skype?
15:54<N580-Noob>devil, 1 dell printer, 1 brother printer, both over network (ethernet)
15:54<devil>N580-Noob: well, all i know is, the interface needs root-pw
15:54<marinuta>devil: 4.2
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15:55<marinuta>devil: yes
15:55<N580-Noob>if i ctrl-alt-f2, login, sudo -s to root shell, do i have a way of bringing up that webpage?
15:55<devil>marinuta: hm, then I cannot help other than with what I said, I could not find a solution back then. but for me is fine
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15:55<shup>comand not found
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15:55<devil>shup: what command?
15:55<stderr>shup: Are you root?
15:56<shup>modprobe nvidia ck804
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15:56<marinuta>devil: k, thanks
15:56<devil>shup: works here.
15:56<shup>whats the comand to chek with root
15:57<roller>shup: try "which modprobe" just to be sure..
15:57<N580-Noob>devil, would a text mode web browser work with that webpage?
15:57<shup>nothing hapend
15:57<devil>shup: root has a # at the end of it's prompt, where user has a $
15:58<shup>im curently as user
15:58<devil>N580-Noob: basicaly it should, but I would try to override sudo
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15:58<devil>shup: you need to be root
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15:58<roller>sudo modprobe
15:58<N580-Noob>what is my text mode browser? w3m?
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15:59<devil>N580-Noob: links
15:59<stderr>shup: Use "su" to become root. Then run modprobe... (Or "sudo modprobe nvidia ck804", if that's what you use.)
15:59<devil>N580-Noob: elinks maybe
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15:59<N580-Noob>ah ok thanks
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16:00<stderr>N580-Noob: Or lynx.
16:00<shup>shurik@solle:~$ shurik is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
16:00<shup>bash: shurik: command not found
16:00<N580-Noob>so links http://localhost:631
16:00<devil>shup: please stop telling us command not found
16:00<devil>shup: be precise
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16:01<devil>and what is shurik?
16:01<stderr>His login...
16:01<devil>oh :)
16:01<shup>it isnt recodnising the pw
16:01<stderr><shup> shurik@solle:~$
16:01<devil>shup: then it is the wrong pw
16:01<stderr>shup: Did you try "su"?
16:02<devil>yeh what?
16:02<shup>yeh i got this
16:02<shup>i had to pute a roots pasword in
16:02<devil>shup: got what?
16:02<N580-Noob>devil, got it, what's the username for cups?
16:02<shup>not shuriks
16:02*roller remembered the sentence "DEVIL MAY CRY"!
16:02<devil>N580-Noob: you need your root-pw
16:03<N580-Noob>it's running as root
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16:03<devil>N580-Noob: then you should be able to do what you need
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16:04<devil>N580-Noob: it only prompts for a pw once, and that o
16:04<devil>is root
16:04<N580-Noob>i'm at a "Username for CUPS:_" (no quotes prompt, underscore is cursor)
16:04<shup>module nvidia not found
16:05<devil>shup: ok, I think it is time for a pastebin of lshw. first you need to install lshw, then run lshw | grep -i snd
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16:07<devil>shup: and also lshw | grep -i audio
16:08<stderr>Or lshw | grep -i -e snd -e sound -e audio
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16:08*roller has download complete :))
16:08<devil>or that :)
16:08<stderr>roller: ... And there were much rejoice!
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16:09<DrWhax>w 17
16:10<N580-Noob>devil, is it normal for cups to not have it's own group?
16:10<devil>N580-Noob: lp should do
16:10<devil>N580-Noob: you can see your groups by entering 'groups' as user
16:11<stderr>What is "lpadmin" used for?
16:12<stderr>I.e. This line "lpadmin:x:108:" from /etc/group
16:12<devil>config of classes, iirc
16:12<N580-Noob>which username should cups have?
16:12<devil>N580-Noob: for what?
16:12<N580-Noob>adding a printer?
16:12<devil>N580-Noob: like I said, the webinterface just prompts once for a pw, and that is root
16:13<stderr>cups doesn't have its own user or group on my computer...
16:13<devil>after that it does not ask for a pw
16:13<N580-Noob>cups is a process like any other, it should run as some username and belong to some group. lp is the group. what's the username? lp?
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16:14<N580-Noob>cups is installed but has *never* been setup on thius debian installation
16:15<stderr>N580-Noob: On my computer, root is running /usr/sbin/cupsd and lp is running cups-polld.
16:15<devil>N580-Noob: ah, noe I get you. yes, lp
16:16<digitsm2>marinuta gone? If she's using a 64 bit skype, there's not a 64bit version and she must use the 32bit version with libia32 or the 64bit skype 4.0 (I think)
16:17<mshuler>actually, skype moved to a proper multiarch package with 4.1 - the latest version works fine here on amd64
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16:17<devil>same here
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16:17<N580-Noob>alright, i just got the same error as root. there is no longer any question it doesn't like the username and/or password it got.
16:18<N580-Noob>the password is correct
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16:18<N580-Noob>so i need the correct username
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16:19<shup>devil did u see the pastebin
16:19<devil>N580-Noob: did you try your debian username?
16:19<devil>shup: now i do
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16:20<devil>shup: lets see a lshw | grep -i -e snd -e sound -e audio ,as stderr suggested
16:20<stderr>N580-Noob: You can always change /etc/cups/cupsd.conf by hand...
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16:22<N580-Noob>stderr, ok i'm willing, i did try the find printers button just playing around and it returned no printers found
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16:23<N580-Noob>printers are turned on
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16:24<devil>shup: and why were we looking to load ck302 for an hour if the driver is CK804?
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16:24<shup>mesed up on my keybord
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16:25<devil>shup: ok, I am out.
16:25<stderr>I think I want to get something to eat too...
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16:26<devil>shup: basicaly, with 2 soundcards, this works:
16:26<devil>good luck
16:27<shup>k im gona read it
16:27<devil>shup: a bit clearer here, but german:
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16:27<N580-Noob>shup do you have sound on both motherboard and an add-on card?
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16:28<shup>i only have one mother board
16:28<shup>probably the other sound is the one comes with the mother board
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16:28<shup>whitch i dont use i use the system card
16:28<digitsm2>N580-Noob, musca, mshuler: Thank you for your helps in my k3b problem ;)
16:28<shup>5.1 chanel
16:28<N580-Noob>in that case you can disable the motherboards on board sound from the bios
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16:28<N580-Noob>digitsm2, yw, is it working now?
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16:29<devil>N580-Noob: sometimes…
16:29<N580-Noob>shup, and that would keep the driver from trying to load
16:29<shup>who knows
16:29<shup>if i knew id do it my self
16:30<shup>windows xp dosnt give me this problem
16:30<N580-Noob>is this a desktop or laptop?
16:30<digitsm2>N580-Noob: The Data DVD worked, But I've not tried Video DVD again. Also I'm not in sever need of Video DVD bcuz I'm not sure my DVD-player can play that resolution
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16:31<N580-Noob>digitsm2, if it's already mpeg2 for dvd (lokks like it is) then it's 640x480 or 720x480 strict, upconvertable to 853x480 if widescreen
16:32<N580-Noob>most all dvd players support those resolutions
16:32<roller>I'm installing debian. I'm in Iraq and apparently there is no mirror for Iraq. What is the best choice for me??
16:32<digitsm2>roller, Turkey
16:33<N580-Noob>shup, did you get a book or manual for the motherboard?
16:33<mshuler>^ is running from AWS CloudFront - should be decent from anywhere
16:33<roller>I'm in the country choice menu, so I have to choose a country mshuler
16:33<shup>i had it this computer is like 9 years old
16:33<shup>i threw everything out
16:33<mshuler>I thought there was an option to type one in, roller - that may be in expert mode, however
16:33<digitsm2>roller, Your country is not related to the mirror you'll use
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16:34<N580-Noob>ouch, cuz that book could tell you how to enter setup and disable the onboard sound
16:34<roller>digitsm2: if so, why my country ISN'T listed there?! O.o
16:34<digitsm2>Are you seeing only north america countries?
16:34<digitsm2>You must come back to asia and then select Iraq
16:35<roller>No, I see various countries from all over the world
16:35<roller>I mean Turkey is there which is just north of Iraq
16:35<digitsm2>roller: It's weird. I
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16:35<digitsm2>I'm from Iran and I could find Iran (and Iraq) under region Asia
16:36<roller>The title says "Configure the package manager" at the top of screen
16:36<stderr>roller: Are you selecting where you're located or what mirror you want to use?
16:36<roller>The mirror stderr.
16:36<digitsm2>Then after selecting Iran, it said there is no mirror in Iran, so I had to choose Turkey mirror instead (for faster speed)
16:37<roller>I've not been asked for my country yet, stderr. But I couldn't choose my time zone either..
16:37<stderr>If there isn't a mirror in Iraq, the menu can't really show you one, can it?
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16:37<shup>is there a comand to . reset the sound card
16:37<shup>to old defults
16:37<plugwash>is there even any internet infrastructure in iraq?
16:38<plugwash>or are you using a foreign sattelite provider or somesuch?
16:38<digitsm2>plugwash, Then what american soldiers do there?
16:38<stderr>plugwash: Since he's online, let's assume there is...
16:38<plugwash>digitsm2, I presume the american soilders use american military sattelites
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16:38<roller>stderr: the installation didn't show me a menu to choose my country, is that normal?
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16:39<stderr>I can't remember where in the process you select your country. Maybe you just haven't reached that point yet.
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16:39<digitsm2>roller: I don't think it's important at all. You can change your locale (country, language), your time zone and even your mirror after installation
16:40<N580-Noob>stderr, i always use the advaced graphical installer, it's the first step
16:41<digitsm2>roller: But if you choose a nearer mirror your network installation can be a little faster
16:41<N580-Noob>the normal graphical installer might actually skip that step iirc
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16:42<N580-Noob>i just read the whole install manual like a week ago
16:42<N580-Noob>maybe 2
16:43<anguille_sous_roche>hello anyone now how to liste non-free package installed on debian ?
16:43<shup>ill t ry reinstaling this
16:44<digitsm2>N580-Noob: I installed using "custom dekstop => XFCE". But it's weird that it both installed XFCE and Gnome!
16:44<shup>i think i mesed it up
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16:44<stderr>!non-free list
16:44<dpkg>To see a list of <non-free> and <contrib> packages installed on your system, run «aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'». See also <aptitude search>.
16:44<digitsm2>N580-Noob: I wanted to install Gnome later but maybe someone only want XFCE. That option have to only install XFCE
16:44<stderr>anguille_sous_roche: ^ What dpkg said...
16:45<anguille_sous_roche>thank you
16:45<stderr>digitsm2: Maybe something else depends on gnome.
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16:46<N580-Noob>digitsm2, full gnome or gtk+?
16:46<stderr>digitsm2: Try something like aptitude why gnome (or whatever the names of the gnome package is.)
16:47<digitsm2>N580-Noob, I guess full gnome. I could even login to gnome shell
16:47<devil>anguille_sous_roche: vrms will tell you :)
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16:48<N580-Noob>hmm... chain of dependencies? gnome is the default for a standard install but i learned a way to fix that
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16:50<N580-Noob>edit the ~/.dmrc and set it to something rediculous. logout, on login screen use dropdown to select a different desktop and login. it becomes default
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16:51<digitsm2>N580-Noob, XFCE is now my default DE. But first Gnome was.
16:51<N580-Noob>it does give an error with an ok button. just click ok and select a desktop from the down arrow menu or gear menu (whichever you have)
16:51<digitsm2>stderr: What "aptitude why gnome" do?
16:52<N580-Noob>oh ok
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16:53<stderr>digitsm2: It tries to explain why "gnome" is installed.
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16:57<N580-Noob>stderr, for my printer woes, http://localhost:631/help/overview.html?TOPIC=Getting+Started&QUERY= says to enter my username and password. even when running from w3m in a root shell and giving my username and password, it tells me the forbidden error
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16:57<N580-Noob>what is cups major malfunction?
16:58<stderr>"my username..."? You mean "root", right?
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16:59<N580-Noob>stderr, no, there is no root password.i installed debian without one and debian setup sudo automatically with root disabled
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16:59<N580-Noob>sudo -s gives me a root shell
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17:00<N580-Noob>using account password
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17:00<stderr>Ok, I haven't tried cups web-interface without a real password for root.
17:01<devil>points to system-config-printer
17:02<devil>but I never used that
17:02*devil embraces his real root :)
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17:05<N580-Noob>yes and i just discovered the kde printer thingy was not installed
17:05<N580-Noob>i just fixed that
17:05<digitsm2>system-config-printer? The default printer configuration program for gnome? Although XFCE has some partially working equivalent but at the end I succeeded using my network printer by system-config-printer
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17:07<MOUSE>whate is the command to reboot the graphic environment ? my debian it's freezed ! thanks
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17:08<Nemoder>MOUSE: depends on your desktop, for gnome I believe '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' will work
17:08<digitsm2>Nemoder, Doesn't that log out?
17:09<Nemoder>Isn't that what he wanted?
17:09<digitsm2>He may have some unsaved docs
17:09<Nemoder>if X is frozen what else can you do?
17:09<digitsm2>If he want to log out he can simply use: Ctrl+alt+backspace
17:10<devil>digitsm2: that was back then...
17:10<Nemoder>I believe that hotkey is disabled by default
17:10<devil>been depricated for at least 2 years
17:10<devil>you can still set it somehow though
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17:11<MOUSE>sorry but it's don't work, i try to kill iceweasel but i don't now what is the command
17:11<MOUSE>my graphic space it's free white the importente travel
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17:12<Nemoder>to kill just one application in X you can run xkill and click the frozen window
17:12<Nemoder>if X is frozen you can use ctrl-alt-f2, login and run killall -9 iceweasel
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17:13<Nemoder>although that might not unfreeze X if it's a video driver lockup
17:14*Nemoder setup xfce to bind ctrl-alt-esc to xkill
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17:17<N580-Noob>fixed it! devil that link was exactly what i needed, i just needed to be a member of lp and lpadmin (lpadmin to add the printer, and lp to print)
17:17<devil>N580-Noob: nice
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17:18<devil>N580-Noob: i am not a member of lpadmin, never was (to the best of my knowledge)
17:18<N580-Noob>the web interface is what i used, the kde printer config didn't work
17:18<N580-Noob>the printers do show up in it now though
17:19<N580-Noob>well root can do anything
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17:19<N580-Noob>i just need to setup a normal user account now
17:19<devil>yeah, I just did not know how to work around sudo
17:19<N580-Noob>is there a gui for that?
17:20<devil>N580-Noob: in kde there is kuser
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17:20<digitsm2_>N580-Noob: I could not use XFCE printer thingy too. But the Gnome one (system-config-printer) worked perfect
17:20<devil>but adduser works as well
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17:21<N580-Noob>digitsm2_, that one also failed me.
17:22<N580-Noob>the localhost:631 worked after i added myself to lp and lpadmin groups
17:22<digitsm2_>N580-Noob, Do you want to connect to a HP network printer? In my case hp laserjet3052, it found it on the net
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17:23<N580-Noob>i used adduser on my test install at home and it worked. just one thing tho... i was hoping there was a gui to do that cuz sometimes the gui will give you the option to encrypt the account
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17:23<devil>N580-Noob: kuser does not allow encryption
17:23<N580-Noob>digitsm2_, no hp printers here. i personally use a usb drive and a service
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17:24<N580-Noob>devil is there a way?
17:24<devil>not to my knowledge
17:24<N580-Noob>ubuntu has it in their gui
17:24<N580-Noob>both for whole disk and for each user
17:24<demo>Jesus is the way
17:25<N580-Noob>it's a checkbox
17:25<devil>demo: is he a debian developer?
17:25<devil>N580-Noob: in the user-gui?
17:25<N580-Noob>no the install the operating system gui
17:26<N580-Noob>they must be using lvm
17:26<devil>lvm does not encrypt
17:26<N580-Noob>which is why i thought debian could do it. cuz ubuntu is based on debian right?
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17:26<devil>N580-Noob: yes, but they do their own thing
17:27*devil raises an eyebrow on mir and other things
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17:27<N580-Noob>well it's whatever that thingy is that does the virtual disks thing
17:27<N580-Noob>demo try /quit
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17:28<digitsm2_>There is something strange about k3b. Regardless of what speed I choose it always uses the max speed, especially during the end of writing. e.g. it starts @5x and increases to @18x
17:28<N580-Noob>that's not good, max speed is a frisbee-fest.
17:28<N580-Noob>or coaster-fest
17:29<stderr>N580-Noob: I was just reading the backlog... I'm not a member of "lp" and I can print just fine.
17:29<digitsm2_>Yeah. I prefer @8x too. It's also interesting that the min speed is @6x
17:30<digitsm2_>N580-Noob, I'm not member of
17:30<digitsm2_>N580-Noob, I'm not member of 'lp' and I can open localhost:631 fine
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17:31<N580-Noob>i opened it just fine when i wasn't a member too, just couldn't add a printer
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17:31<N580-Noob>now it's not printing :/
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17:34<digitsm2_>N580-Noob, My DVD-burner sometimes doesn't burn correctly too and I have to try again. (sympathy)
17:34<N580-Noob>that's what i mean by frisbee-fest
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17:35<N580-Noob>i never really liked k3b, i used to use xcdroast or something like that
17:36<mshuler>wodim ftw.
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17:36<N580-Noob>now i don't know what i'm going to do yet when it's my turn to need to burn a disc
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17:36<devil>N580-Noob: burning on cli works fine also
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17:38<N580-Noob>i prefer a gui if i can get one
17:38<devil>N580-Noob: cli works :)
17:38<N580-Noob>i am highly cli enabled though
17:39<N580-Noob>i'm an old unix hand, now i'm trying to switch to linux (specifically debian)
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17:40<N580-Noob>*some* of my skills are working
17:40<devil>in the day when burning media was the way to go, I preferred cli, but I use gui tools for other stuff also. always the right tool for the job, is my mantra
17:40<digitsm2_>N580-Noob: xfburn is fine too, but I found k3b more sophisticated (multisession, etc.)
17:41<N580-Noob>early versions of k3b were an extreme nightmare. i think they have gotten a lot better since, but i still shy away
17:42<digitsm2_>N580-Noob, I have your feeling about brasero
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17:43<N580-Noob>i still need printer help here, i have a default printer set now. i tried to print just the first page of a webpage. it processed it into the que. but didn't print. when i looked at the que, the que was empty
17:43<N580-Noob>i don't know what happened
17:44<devil>N580-Noob: did you print a testpage?
17:45<N580-Noob>no, i was trying to use that as a testpage as i don't know where to print a testpage from
17:45<devil>N580-Noob: it is offered in the webinterface
17:45<digitsm2_>Someone must do a scientific benchmark on different CD Burning applications for linux. However I think most of them use same libraries and the problems are beneath the libraries, if any
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17:47<N580-Noob>devil, couldn't find it but i think i found what happened. it paused the printer and the job is holding. -> "The printer URI is incorrect or no longer exists."
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17:48<N580-Noob>i didn't change anything from when i added it. the printer itself has not been touched
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17:52<devil>N580-Noob: sorry, I have to leave, good luck
17:52<digitsm2_>devil: Bye
17:53<Gentleman>order restored
17:53<Gentleman>no more blasphemy
17:53<N580-Noob>devil, thanks
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17:54<N580-Noob>does anyone know where the print testpage button is in http://localhost:631/ ?
17:55<N580-Noob>i've clicked all the tabs and i don't see one
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17:55<devil>i think, in admin or some such
17:55<devil>and gone...
17:56<N580-Noob>found it, under maintenance menu
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18:01<N580-Noob>well i got the dell printer working :)
18:01<N580-Noob>sorta ..
18:01<digitsm2_>N580-Noob, Conrats
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18:02<N580-Noob>is the "testpage" supposed to print "INTERNAL ERROR - Please use the proper driver."?
18:02<N580-Noob>no quotes
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18:04<N580-Noob>is there a way to install more drivers?
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18:24<devil>N580-Noob: sorry, direct link is:
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18:30<N580-Noob>devil, i'm checking it all out now. this printer isn't on the list
18:30<N580-Noob>dell has like 7 printers on that list :/
18:31<N580-Noob>i got the series but not the specific printer
18:31<N580-Noob>1100 series, 1130n printer
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18:32<N580-Noob>printer is complaining about wrong driver (1100)
18:34<terrible96>hi i try to install vlc but give this error debian 6 squeeze
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18:46<musca>hi terrible96
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18:47<terrible96>musca, hi there
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18:47<musca>good start with the paste. But why so short? the command is missing.
18:47<musca>and we need to check your sources.
18:47<terrible96>musca, hehe i so lazy sorry dude but i run the apt-get install
18:49<terrible96>musca, i fix the problem i install vlc from the backports
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18:50<musca>terrible96: you are doing a lot with your system. When do you plan to dist-upgrade to wheezy?
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18:52<terrible96>musca, i want to stay in squeezy i just love gnome 2 work fucking great really fast
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18:53<musca>you are too young for such thought if 96 is your date of birth.
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18:55<terrible96>musca, hehehe not 96 is just my dream year you know the good old times
18:55<musca>i see.
18:56<terrible96>do you use gnome 2???
18:56<plugwash>there is a fork of gnome 2 called mate floating arround
18:56<devil>N580-Noob: this is the only reference I can find on a glance (busy elsewhere):
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18:56<plugwash>probablly your best bet if you want to keep the gnome 2 UI while upgrading the rest of your system
18:57<musca>terrible96: nope, i like KDE
18:57<musca>plugwash: is it in debian? no.
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18:59<terrible96>musca, how long you been playing with debian??
18:59<plugwash>no it's not in debian unfortunately but there are unofficial packages out there
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19:00<james41382>Is anyone here good with udev? I have been trying on and off for a couple days now to hide a volume listed in Nautilus via /lib/udev/rules.d. I have seen posts on a number of forums in regard to this, but have not been able to get it to work.
19:01<devil>james41382: if you were more specific, maybe someone can help
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19:01<devil>james41382: just state what does not work for you
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19:03<james41382>devil: I have tried creating files in /lib/udev/rules.d to cause this volume to not appear. You can see the volume here on the left ->
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19:05<devil>can you pastebin the rules you created? maybe the mistake is easy to spot
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19:06<james41382>devil: I was thinking I could use the UUID. blkid ->
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19:07<devil>well, you have to use uuid
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19:08<devil>but with lvm and encryption involved, I am out :)
19:08<N580-Noob>devil, i hate to be a pest but how is it that these printers worked so well in kubuntu but not in debian?
19:09<james41382>devil: Ahh okay.. No worries. Thanks.
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19:09<devil>N580-Noob: i don't know, never had any Dell printers
19:09<N580-Noob>or brother?
19:10<devil>now I use samsung laser
19:10<devil>beforwe mostly hp
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19:10<N580-Noob>can you help with a different issue? trying to get youtube to play videos in iceweasel
19:11<N580-Noob>i have vlc and the browser plugin for vlc
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19:11<devil>is flash-plugin installed?
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19:12<N580-Noob>i typed flash into apper, no results are installed
19:12<N580-Noob>flash-plugin not in list
19:13<devil>well, it is flashplugin-nonfree
19:13<devil>you need to enable contrib in your sources
19:13<N580-Noob>that is in list but not installed
19:13<N580-Noob>can that really be trusted?
19:13<devil>flash is what it is
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19:14<N580-Noob>vlc plays flash, they get it from adobe or do their own safer version?
19:15<devil>if you do not want that, you could set youtube to use html5 and watch most vids with that
19:15<devil>no idea on flash with vlc
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19:22<james41382>devil: I got it.. =]
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19:23<devil>james41382: good we talked about it ;)
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20:06<N580-Noob>i need help with an issue common to me and everyone here (we are all switching to debian on laptops.) the trackpad has that tap to click behavior. please tell me what i need to do to make that stop.
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20:08<N580-Noob>or what channel i need to be in to find out how
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20:09<devil>look for something like /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
20:09<devil>copy to /etc/X11 and edit to your liking
20:10<N580-Noob>devil, nm. sorry. i just /msg dpkg trackpad
20:10<N580-Noob>i *am* such a noob :/
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20:10<devil>your handle gives it away :P
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20:13<N580-Noob>i'm learning
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20:13<N580-Noob>it's gonna take months to read that whole debian reference manual
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20:14<devil>well, learning by doing might be enough for a weathered unix guy. if you run into probs, you can often find help here
20:15<N580-Noob>thanks :)
20:17<N580-Noob>you use kde at all?
20:17<devil>for the last decade, yes
20:17<devil>but I run sid, with kde 4.11
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20:19<N580-Noob>i click on the k button to open something, say konsole or whatever. and 3/4 of the time it will just disappear from under my pointer without my having clicked anything
20:19<N580-Noob>sorry i hunt and peck veeeeeerrrryyy slowly
20:19<N580-Noob>the menu just goes away
20:20<devil>hm, kmenu works just fine. i don't remember anything like that from 4.8.4
20:20<devil>are you using the new menu style or the oldone?
20:20<N580-Noob>i think i may have just fixed it
20:20<devil>you could always try to remove the menu and reinstall it
20:21<N580-Noob>no, it does it on every install on every hardware.
20:21<N580-Noob>can't be corrupted
20:21<devil>hm, never seen that
20:21<N580-Noob>nothing here older than a couple weeks
20:21<devil>works fine as far as I can zhink back
20:21<N580-Noob>i figured it was a mouse thing
20:22<N580-Noob>trackpad since everything has one
20:22<N580-Noob>it's the common hardware denominator
20:22<devil>I hate them, on notebooks I also use a mouse
20:22<N580-Noob>i *can't* use a mouse anymore
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20:22<N580-Noob>carpel tunnel or whatever
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20:23<N580-Noob>yes exactly
20:24<devil>gotta run, it's really late here
20:25<N580-Noob>ok thanks again :)
20:25<devil>np :)
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20:43<N580-Noob>be back another day
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20:44<Knorrie>have fun
20:44<dvs>Quick! Lock the door!
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20:49<Supaplex>dvs: hide the women, the hard drinks, check the ammo and the iron. ^.^
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21:19<nutron>is there a way to set the default system-wide time to suspend/hibernate? Trying to have a default for a workstation deployment
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21:20<nutron>I don't see much of anything provided by pm-utils
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21:40<sistem>hello , nautilus don't search files in debian wheezy 7.1
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21:46<dbcp>If I compile and install a program from its source, how can I get apt to recognize it as being installed?
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21:48<dbcp>currently, I have mupen64plus-ui-console installed (from source), but running `apt-get install mupen64plus` results in `mupen64plus : Depends: mupen64plus-ui-console but it is not installable"
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21:48<Nemoder>dbcp: you will need to create a debian package for it. if you used debian source files then it is pretty easy to do
21:49<dbcp>I tried using "apt-get source --compile" before just compiling the normal way, and it wouldn't work.
21:49<dbcp>so I just went into the source folder that had been downloaded and ran "make install"
21:50<Nemoder>that is the wrong way to do it
21:50<dbcp>the way I was doing it at first? how? I was following the manpages
21:51<lucas_>hi i'm having trouble with my debian. where can i get some help?
21:51<Nemoder>make scripts wont register with apt/dpkg, thankfully most of them install only to /usr/local but there is no way to be sure it wont just clobber system files
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21:52<dbcp>is there a way to get apt to recognize that it's installed? I've been fooling with this for an hour.
21:52<Nemoder>dbcp: you might see if you can run make uninstall and then do it a better way: apt-get build-dep <packagename>; debuild -uc -us -b; dpkg -i <packagename>
21:53<lucas_>if you write apt-get install <packegename> it should tell if It's installed or not
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21:54<dbcp>lucas_: it says it's not installed.
21:54<dbcp>but it is
21:54<dbcp>Nemoder: trying that now
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21:54<Nemoder>if the make script doesn't have an uninstall option then it's possible you will end up with two coppies, you may need to manually delete the old files from /usr/local or wherever it put them
21:55<lucas_>how did you installed in first place?
21:55<dbcp>lucas_: compiled one of the dependencies from source because it's not in any repos I can find
21:56<dbcp>mupen64plus-ui-console for ppc, in case anyone knows where I could find it
21:57<Nemoder>does mupen64 even run on ppc?
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21:57<dbcp>it works on OS X but I ain't installing OS X on my powerbook just for a couple of games
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21:59<dbcp>it and all its dependencies are available for ppc, except for mupen64plus-ui-console, which I succesfully compiled.
21:59<Nemoder>ah, strange
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22:00<Nemoder>you may want to file a bug report for that
22:01<dbcp>if I can just get it to actually compile and build a package the correct way (with apt-get source --compile), I could send the deb to be included in the repos
22:02<dbcp>which, honestly, I've never contributed to the repos before, so it'd be a pretty cool first-time experience.. if I can just get it to work.
22:03<Nemoder>you may want to join #debian-mentors or #debian-games, likely the maintainer can do it but doesn't know it's missing
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22:07<dbcp>hmm... okay. I'll check the mentors out.
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22:21<shurik_>hi again
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22:22<shurik_>i curently remooved the intergraded option for sound in bios
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22:22<shurik_>using the creative x-f only
22:22<shurik_>still geting static. on my sound
22:22<shurik_>watching movies a litle static but playing mp3 is too much static
22:23<shurik_>vcl for movies and audacius for mp3
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22:24<shurik_>any1 with any other openions on this noise
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22:30<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i have dual boot; one is windows 8 and the other is wheezy on a UEFI system. when i turn on the system, it goes straight into windows; how do i make it boot straight into wheezy by default, i tried running: 'sudo grub-install /dev/sda --force' but still it goes into windows,
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22:51<petris>just replace "ubuntu" with "debian" in that article
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22:55<paranoidphreak>petris: thanks
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