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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-08-25

---Logopened Sun Aug 25 00:00:18 2013
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03:18<xattr>I installed ipset (aptitude install ipset) and try to add a new set => ipset create foo hash:net but Im getting the error => ipset v6.12.1: Kernel error received: Invalid argument => does someone know whats up with that?
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03:42<xif>hello!
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03:43<stderr>Hi.
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03:48<gambero>hello guys ...
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03:59<roberto>ciao a tutti
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04:41<mortalis>привет
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07:08<kardan>How do I perform a search for apt-cache xml interface::text-mode
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07:09<Bojmaliev>hello
07:10<Bojmaliev>can i ask something
07:11<zathras>Bojmaliev, sure
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07:17<Bojmaliev>I have one computer(old) and i have try to install a lot of linux servers (like ubuntu, centos, zyntal) and i always have any problem during installation. Yesterday when i install Debian i sucessful installed, but when i try to download Lamp package with wget.. it says it cant... then i try ping 8.8.8.8 and i saw i configured internet connection bad. During the installation i selected manual.
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07:17<Bojmaliev>During the installtion ubuntu when i select dhcp, it configured auto, but here not. I dont know whats the problem
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07:19<Bojmaliev>Also im using netinstall...
07:19<rufff>Bojmaliev: check your /etc/network/interfaces file: That's where network configuration happens
07:20<Bojmaliev>yes i do vi /etc/network/interfaces, but i dont know what to do.. how to save the file then, how to edit..
07:20<rufff>dpkg:tell Bojmaliev about interfaces
07:21<rufff>also https://wiki.debian.org/it/NetworkConfiguration
07:22<rufff>if you're not familiar with vi, try "nano" instead
07:22<rufff>should be easier
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07:22<Bojmaliev>aha
07:23<kardan>or joe :)
07:23<Bojmaliev>Also, during installation in Ip: i write my shared ip, not my local ? im right or ?
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07:24<kardan>.. save at least 8 bit for each call
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07:29<Bojmaliev>Also during the installation when it asks me for dns servers what should i type
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07:31<rufff>IP is generally the local one and DNS can be your gateway (router) or some othe public DNS like google's one (8.8.8.8)
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07:34<kardan>do you know how to search for package tags via apt-cache?
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07:34<rufff>!debtags
07:34<dpkg>i guess debtags is a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". Search (or add new tags) at http://debtags.debian.net/ . See also http://wiki.debian.org/Debtags or ask me about <aptitude search>.
07:35<rufff>don't know it that helps
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07:39<babilen>axi-cache (from apt-xapian-index) is great too and integrates debtags seamlessly
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07:41<kardan>thanks roughnecks and babilen. will have a look into them
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07:44<babilen>kardan: See http://www.enricozini.org/2010/debian/axi-cache/ + http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.apt-cache.html + axi-cache(1) (the manpage) for details.
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07:56<Skaunn>Hi all, ciao
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07:59<babilen>Skaunn: Hello, what can we do for you?
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08:05<Bojmaliev>ruff; and netmask ?
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08:08<roughnecks>it depends on your network. You could try to set an IP via DHCP and look at the setup it made (ifconfig): that way you can know the correct netmask. That said, usually 255.255.255.0 is used on home networking
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08:41<Vikinger>just installed a program
08:41<Vikinger>did update-menus
08:41<Vikinger>but its still not showing, im using gnome3
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08:51<oufo>which program? (it may not have a .desktop file, or have "OnlyShowIn=KDE" there for example)
08:51<Vikinger>umlet
08:52<Vikinger>in wich folder will i find that
08:52<Vikinger>?
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08:52<oufo>it doesn' have a .desktop file (/usr/share/applications)
08:52<Vikinger>i dont want to keep on lauching it from the console
08:53<oufo>copy any .desktop file from there to the directory ~/.local/share/applications and edit it to start umlet
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08:53<oufo>cp it as umlet.desktop of course
08:53<Vikinger>ok
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08:55<Vikinger>strange, i only have there wine stuff
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08:55<oufo>yeah they're autocreated, the debs you install put the files in /usr/share/applications
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08:56<Vikinger>what about all the other stuff ?
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08:57<oufo>you don't need to bother with anything except creating the umlet.desktop file
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08:58<oufo>put the correct Exec= and a suitable Icon= etc..
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08:59<Vikinger>is that enought to show up on the gnome3 menus ?
08:59<oufo>yep, should be
09:00<oufo>if you want to make it a favourite app you may have trouble though (i don't have any java apps installed)
09:01<Vikinger>ok
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09:01<Vikinger>gona try this, thank you oufo :)
09:01<oufo>np, good luck
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09:49<Bojmaliev>hi
09:49<Bojmaliev>i cant configure property my network interfaces
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09:50<rohara>Bojmaliev: you're not using DHCP I assume?
09:50<Bojmaliev>i try dhcp, manual but after that i ping 8.8.8.8 i get host unreach..
09:50<rohara>Can you ping your gateway?
09:50<Bojmaliev>no
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09:50<rohara>What messages do you get when you use /etc/init.d/networking restart
09:51<Bojmaliev>i havent try that
09:51<rohara>You haven't restarted your networking after reconfiguring?
09:51<Bojmaliev>wait
09:51<Bojmaliev>no :D
09:51<rohara>That'll do it
09:51<Bojmaliev>ok thanks; D
09:51<rohara>No problem.
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09:52<Bojmaliev>just to type /etc/init.d/networking restart
09:52<Bojmaliev>?
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09:55<babilen>Bojmaliev: "service networking restart" would work too -- you'll get a message about it being "obsolete", don't trust it ;)
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09:55<Bojmaliev>i get
09:56<Bojmaliev>reconfing interfaces done
09:56<Bojmaliev>but after that i try ping 8.8.8.8 i get host unreach
09:57<babilen>Bojmaliev: Show us your configuration, the output of "ip route", "ip link" and the output of "lspci -nn" on http://paste.debian.net please
09:57<babilen>brb
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09:58<dzoni>its me Bojmaliev, i just rebooted my router and now my nick is taken :D
09:59<dzoni>how to stop pinging ?
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10:02<ichdasich>dzoni: ctrl+c
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10:08<roughnecks>dzoni: Bojmaliev has quit now, so you can take your nickname back
10:09-!-dzoni is now known as Bojmaliev
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10:09<Bojmaliev>ok :D
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10:10<Bojmaliev>i get my nickname back
10:10<Bojmaliev>im going to stop pinging and get net config
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10:17<Bojmaliev>ip route http://pastebin.com/rtrBaU0p
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10:17<Bojmaliev>from other computer i write it to notebook, but other its too much
10:17<Bojmaliev>other two commands
10:18<Bojmaliev>outup
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10:23<Bojmaliev>babilen: ip route http://pastebin.com/rtrBaU0p
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10:25<roughnecks>Bojmaliev: would you mind trying to set up DHCP first?
10:25<roughnecks>!dhcp client
10:25<dpkg>To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. See also <resolv.conf>, <override dns>.
10:25<roughnecks>do as the bot suggests, please
10:25<roughnecks>maybe you have to specify eth1 instead of eth0
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10:27<Bojmaliev>yes now i try to write auto dhcp
10:27<roughnecks>ok
10:27<Bojmaliev>then i do netowrk restar
10:27<Bojmaliev>..
10:28<Bojmaliev>i will try ifup - a
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10:30<Bojmaliev>on ifup -a noting happens
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10:30<rohara>What does the following output: /etc/init.d/networking restart
10:30<Bojmaliev>and try ping 8.8.8.8 says Network unreachable
10:31<Bojmaliev>it says warning , then it says one url..
10:31<Bojmaliev>wait
10:31<rohara>You should consider reading what it says.
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10:32<Bojmaliev>it says 5-6 port, dhcp discover.. and 255.255.255.255
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10:35<roughnecks>Bojmaliev: do you know if your router has a dhcp service enabled?
10:35<roughnecks>is "dhclient" available on your system?
10:35<Bojmaliev>i can acces to my router. where to see :) ?
10:36<roughnecks>Local Area Network settings
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10:36<Bojmaliev>http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2633/51xg.png
10:36<Bojmaliev>Yes there is DHCP Server
10:36<Bojmaliev>and its Enable
10:37<Bojmaliev>http://prntscr.com/1nbpg2 picture of dhcp server settings
10:39<rohara>Bojmaliev: what does `ping -c2 95.86.51.1` give you
10:39<roughnecks>ok, so try running "dhclient"
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10:39<Bojmaliev>wait
10:40<roughnecks>possibly paste the result
10:40<Bojmaliev>if its a big result, i should write it to notepad first ;(
10:40<Bojmaliev>then here
10:41<Bojmaliev>it says Network is unreachable
10:41<Bojmaliev>when i set dhcp when i try it always say that error
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10:47<Bojmaliev>what to do now ?
10:50<rohara>Bojmaliev: it's difficult because you can't just pastebin the output of commands.
10:50<rohara>What does `dhclient` give you? How about /etc/init.d/networking restart?
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10:50<rohara>You haven't provided any of the requested output.
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10:53<Celelibi>Do you know if I can install an ubuntu package in debian?
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10:54<arand__>You can, no guarantee it will work though.
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10:56<LtL>Celelibi: it's a bad idea
10:57<Celelibi>I know, but gazebo provide only its .deb for ubuntu...
10:57<LtL>Celelibi: i would look into getting the source code and build it yourself then.
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10:58<Celelibi>I read it was quite hard to install bu yourself. But I can try...
10:59<LtL>Celelibi: ubuntu .debs are designed for ubuntu, not debian. it may work and it may also cause breakage if you try.
10:59<Celelibi>That's what I think.
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11:01<LtL>Celelibi: in my opinion, if its hard to compile yourself.. the ubuntu deb is most likely going to break debian.
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11:05<Celelibi>probably.
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11:09<Celelibi>maybe I should try MORSE before.
11:09<Celelibi>Which is packaged in debian.
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11:12<Bojmaliev>rohara: all requested outups are big, and i cant just copy paste, i must write all on notebook then write there here...
11:12<rohara>Or USB ...
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11:53<mastro9>Certain.Prey.La.Missione.Di.Clara.Rinker.2011.iTALiAN.AC3.HDTV.XviD-ATV
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12:02<turduks>hello
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12:03<Campino96>hello dudes
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12:04<Campino96>are you there?
12:04<rohara>Hello
12:04<Campino96>how are you
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12:05<f8l>Campino96: Go to -offtopic if you want to chit-chat.
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12:06<Campino96>what is chit-chat??
12:06<rohara>This^
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12:07<Campino96>aha well
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12:08<Campino96>so wuzzup here?
12:09<f8l>Campino96: This is a support channel. Please, go to #debian-offtopic.
12:09<f8l>Campino96: Unless you have a Debian-related technical question.
12:10<Campino96>oooooh sry im new here :$
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12:18<lord_rob>Hi! has pan (pan2 ?) been removed from debian ? the newsgroup reader ?
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12:20<lord_rob>maybe it's more appropriate in #debian-next
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12:21<roughnecks>,v pan
12:21<judd>Package: pan on i386 -- squeeze: 0.133-1.1; jessie: 0.139-2; sid: 0.139-2; wheezy: 0.139-2
12:22<roughnecks>lord_rob: ^
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12:25<lord_rob>thanks roughnecks
12:26<roughnecks>you're welcome
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13:22<bhadu87>Please tell me, channel regarding NS 3 simulator
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13:36<Kagami>Does anybody know the difference between these images?
13:36<Kagami>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/iso-cd/
13:36<Kagami>Like debian-7.1.0-i386-CD-1.iso and debian-7.1.0-i386-CD-2.iso?
13:37<Kagami>?
13:38<chealer>Kagami: the first is the first of the set of CDs. the second is the second of the set. The first CD contains the most important packages
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13:39<Kagami>Set of CDs?
13:39<Kagami>Why isn't there just one?
13:39<Calinou>use amd64, not i386
13:39<Calinou>Kagami: use the netinstall instead
13:39<Kagami>I know what I'm doing
13:39<Kagami>but I'm just wondering why there are so many
13:40<chealer>Kagami: the set of CDs contains all Debian packages
13:40<Kagami>and how do you know which packages are on which disc?
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13:40<chealer>!tell Kagami about cd contents
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13:41<Kagami>Does the debian netinstall still run ncurses or w/e
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13:44<DusXMT>Kagami: There is both a GUI and an ncurses version of the installer, but it's ncurses by default.
13:45<Kagami>Is it possible to go straight to a shell?
13:45<Kagami>as if you were to do a text install or just need it for editing grub or something
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13:46<musca>!tell Kagami about rescue
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13:46<pmart>!tell Kagami about cd faq
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13:52<topcyde>having a problem with the latest debian not letting me use sudo. It keeps saying I'm not on the sudoers list. How do I add to this list? I can't find it anywhere.
13:53<pmart>topcyde: adduser <user> sudo
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13:53<pmart>this will add <user> to sudo group, members of which has right to do `sudo'
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14:05<topcyde>pmart: is that supposed to be done under su?
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14:06<pmart>topcyde: yes, you need to be root to do that
14:08<topcyde>I originally tried to do it using the gui. I don't know why it sometimes doesn't occur to me to try command line when that doesn't work.
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14:09<pmart>topcyde: you mean command line application for managing users/groups?
14:09<pmart>topcyde: s/command line/gui/
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14:09<pmart>i meant "gui application"
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14:11<pmart>most simple admin tasks are much faster to do from command line
14:12<topcyde>pmart: yes, but I can't ever remember them.
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14:22<pmart>why was 7.1 point release named 7.1 and not 7.0.1, as per previous convention for point releases
14:22<gsimmons>dpkg: why 7.1
14:22<dpkg>From the debian-release mailing list (http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2013/05/msg01020.html): "Major versions are always X.0 now, so hard-coding the second component to "0" for point releases is simply a waste."
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14:23<pmart>i see
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14:24<pmart>we're going to end up with two digit numbers sooner
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14:29<madduck>is unbound/wheezy broken wrt unbound-anchor? Or is this just related to /var/lib/unbound being a tmpfs here?
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14:40<meiblorn>hi
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15:14<scientes>ooo geary email client is nice
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15:22<jmcknight>scientes: been using it off and on for a bit and i'd have to agree
15:22*scientes has been setting up a bazillino webmail clients trying to find something usable
15:23<scientes>i've got 3 installed
15:23<scientes>squirrelmail, roundcube, and afterlogic
15:23<scientes>but they all suck
15:23<jmcknight>i avoid webmail like the plague
15:24<jmcknight>since there's no perfect solution. or even remotely decent, let alone perfect
15:26<scientes>gmail isn't that bad, its just non-free
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15:28<jmcknight>and gmail is a recent sore spot for some people since security/privacy is iffy
15:28<jmcknight>with the whole NSA thing
15:29<bub>can anyone help me figure out why I can't no longer boot from my live stick after installing debian? I need to do stuff with parted on the live stick but regardless of how I set the boot order it ends up on grub2
15:29<scientes>the NSA stuff has been public for years
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15:29<scientes>what just happened was basically just a press release from them
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15:33<jmcknight>bub: i ran into this problem once. not sure if it's what you're experiencing, but once after installing debian from USB, it somehow installed grub to the USB instead of MBR
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15:33<bub>hm interesting
15:33<jmcknight>so it made it look like it was skipping the USB drive, but really was reading grub from it
15:33<scientes>usb drives have MBRs if they are partitioned MS-DOS
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15:35<jmcknight>am i right in that SSD drives are awful for RAID?
15:36<jmcknight>well, not awful but not a good idea
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15:37<scientes>i don't see why
15:37<bubchi89>(this is bub) Hm. I think I very clearly have broken everything. I probably should stop trying to install things when I'm literally trying not to pass out
15:38<jmcknight>that happens to me to but thankfully i only break things within virtual machines
15:38<topcyde>jmcknight: just use the higher end ones. r/w life is the issue with ssd's and raid.
15:39<jmcknight>higher end as in higher end consumer model or 5k enterprise ones?
15:39<topcyde>answer b
15:39<bubchi89>probably going to have to start from scratch but no biggie :P
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15:40<jmcknight>a little overkill for my needs
15:40<jmcknight>i always use RAID for data but i'm not quite as worried for where the operating system is installed to
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15:42<jmcknight>bubchi89: so what constitutes "everything" in terms of brokenness?
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15:42<bubchi89>hm
15:42<bubchi89>so...
15:43<topcyde>as long as you're using a redundant configuration you'll be fine with consumer level
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15:43<bubchi89>at one point months back I decided that I wanted to use UEFI so I modified my ssd to use GPT and did a UEFI install of windows. months later i'm finally trying to get linux on my desktop again
15:43<jmcknight>my data is way more important than anything else. i use RAID1 for that then backups are run that sync to a drobo
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15:44<bubchi89>i managed to size my partitions completely wrong so that now i only have 20 gigs for root (and everything else), 1 gig for swap, and that's it
15:44<jmcknight>for OS stuff, config files are backed up but i could probably get away with single disk configuration for OS
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15:45<jmcknight>20GB for root isn't that bad so as long as you section off /home
15:45<bubchi89>i then tried to boot onto my live stick, but somehow grub kept taking over. I tried uninstalling grub2 and from what I can tell it's just using a non-graphical version of grub now. the comment about having my usb stick use a msdos partition table also scared me
15:45<bubchi89>no i didn't make a /home
15:45<xvml>I have a 4GB usb key. How can I put two Debian live images (rescue and gnome-dekstop) on the key?
15:46<bubchi89>There was some stackexchange post about how ext4 sucks and the new FS allows "sub volumes" and so a separate /home partition is dumb. and I figured i might as well avoid having extra partitions if I'm changing FSs later anyways
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15:46<bubchi89>i basically have no idea what I've managed to haha
15:46<topcyde>then you're plenty covered, that's how we run the sub servers at my shop. large amounts of 3d engineering data, no losses.
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15:48<jmcknight>bubchi89: if you want the flexibility of being able to resize partitions, try LVM
15:48<jmcknight>it's a lot of fun
15:48<DarthProbable>Does any one talk about other than their GNU Linux problems ?
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15:49<bubchi89>well the issue I'm having is I've managed to make grub my only bootloader and it prevents me from booting into windwos or using my live stick
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15:49<xvml>DarthProbable: this is a technical support channel, so everybody here is talking about problems
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15:49<bubchi89>that was worded poorly but i'm sure you understand the gist
15:49<jmcknight>grub should've detected your windows install and added an entry to grub
15:50<DarthProbable>Ohh, ok then. Let me help
15:50<bubchi89>no that's why I mentioned I did a UEFI install of windows
15:50<bubchi89>I realized that this morning
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15:50<bubchi89>I originally did the UEFI install because I wanted to get rEFInd working, but I abandoned that because I don't even know why I wanted to UEFI install OSs in the first place
15:50<jmcknight>ohhh, gotcha. yeah, not too sure about that. i have limited familiarity with UEFI since i think it's still mostly a mess to deal with
15:51<jmcknight>i just boot using legacy mode
15:51<DarthProbable>My hobby running GNU Linux distributions. I tried a lot of distributions. It's a fun game.
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15:52<bubchi89>facepalm I literally cannot not bootstrap onto grub
15:52<jmcknight>DarthProbable: it became a better hobby when virtualization became a thing. yay to non-committal linux installs!
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15:53<DarthProbable>haha yeah. But I always switchback to slackware.
15:53<jmcknight>i used to distro hop before having a proper reliable system became a priority
15:53<DarthProbable>I can't switch to other distro after getting used to slacky.
15:54<jmcknight>in the 14 years i've been running linux, i've used really only 4 distros long term
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15:54<DarthProbable>Let me guess
15:55<DarthProbable>Debian, Redhat, Fedora and Opensuse
15:55<DarthProbable>Maybe Slackware or Ubuntu
15:55<DarthProbable>Arch ?
15:55<elijah>how can i install e17 with netinst ?
15:55<jmcknight>i went slackware, debian, gentoo, centos
15:55<jmcknight>then finally back to debian somewhat recently
15:56<DarthProbable>Try Arch Linux
15:56<jmcknight>tried it in a virtual machine. it's ok, lacks sane defaults
15:56<DarthProbable>But it's a rolling release distro
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15:56<bubchi89>I literally tried to install arch with UEFI boot for like 5 days
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15:57<bubchi89>and then I realized that I don't even support the UEFI OS signing and gave up on it. Then I tried installing Arch without UEFI for 2 days
15:57<jmcknight>you get "recommended" dependencies. which basically means packages are built with all features but if you don't install an optional dependency, that part of it is broken
15:57<DarthProbable>and I don't like the installer in arch
15:57<bubchi89>and gave up because I couldn't even get it to find the boot partition on my usb stick
15:57<administrador>hellow
15:57<DarthProbable>I prefer the classical method
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15:57<administrador>please i'm a new
15:58<administrador>and i can learn linux
15:58<jmcknight>arch doesn't really have an installer so much as a live environment where you set things up then a script installs the base
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15:58<bubchi89>I think he was just talking about the pacman package manager, right?
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15:59<DarthProbable>yeah
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15:59<DarthProbable>pacman
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15:59<jmcknight>pacman is alright. does what it's advertised to do
15:59<DarthProbable>But what bothers is rolling release. It doesn't have stability.
15:59<jmcknight>my issue with arch are the optional dependencies
16:00<jmcknight>debian makes a lot of sane defaults and choices for the user. i'm happy with that
16:00<jmcknight>but too much flexibility isn't good either
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16:00<scientes>i like multiarch
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16:01<jmcknight>so far i've only needed it for skype because their developers are too lazy to roll a 64bit version
16:01<jmcknight>but it works amazingly well and completely seamless
16:01<topcyde>jmcknight: I use debian for the same reasons.
16:02<bubchi89>This is like a chicken and the egg problem
16:02<bubchi89>I feel like I won't be able to remove grub from my drives without getting my live stick working. But I don't feel like I can get my live stick working because it keeps loading grub
16:03<jmcknight>in my testing of arch, the optional dependency thing kills me. a piece of software is built with all features enable. nmap for example
16:03<jmcknight>in arch with nmap, if you don't install pygtk, the zenmap binary still exists
16:03<jmcknight>it's just broken and does nothing
16:03<jmcknight>that approach to development is awful
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16:06<bubchi89>a ha
16:07<bubchi89>so when the live stick said it failed to install grub on my ssd it didn't actually
16:07<bubchi89>so i had grub installed on my ssd and hdd
16:07<bubchi89>Now... how the hell do I remove grub from my ssd
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16:08<bubchi89>do you seriously have to zero out part of the MBR? is that a joke?
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16:11<jmcknight>bubchi89: i think so
16:12<bubchi89>well I think grub actually overwrote windows bootloader. And in this case, grub can't boot my installation of windows anyways
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16:12<bubchi89>so I'm going to need to find some windows repair disc files and see if I can install windows bootloader from that
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16:13<jmcknight>bubchi89: pretty sure you can do fixmbr from windows install media
16:13<bubchi89>please dear god. don't tell me I need to get another UEFI windows boot drive working
16:14<bubchi89>yeah i know, I just need to have a functional windows boot thingy
16:15<jmcknight>when you install grub next to windows, it will always overwrite the default bootloader
16:15<pablum>what's the gnome 'activities menu' interface called? I'm getting (sometimes) a continuous stream of 'w's input in various open windows... and i can't get up!
16:15<jmcknight>but it's usually gracious enough to add a windows entry to the grub menu
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16:15<roughnecks>bubchi89: see if this helps http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/
16:16<pablum>i'm still trying to pin down what starts it...
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16:16<bubchi89>it's the same issue as before. my windows is a UEFI install. grub is a bios bootloader
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16:16<bubchi89>or I'm guessing at least. I honestly don't know how I would ever confirm such a claim
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16:17<bubchi89>roughnecks: That guide looks like it's meant to add linux entries to the windows bootloader. But the issue right now is that I don't even have the windows bootloader installed
16:17<roughnecks>ah, personally i've never had an EFI loader
16:18<roughnecks>that utility is to rewrite your windows bootloader
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16:20<roughnecks>best solutions is probably to use a Windows DVD
16:20<bubchi89>hm
16:22<bubchi89>yeah you're right
16:22<bubchi89>I guess a bootloader is considered just to be a "boot record"?
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16:23<shurik_>hi
16:23<bubchi89>I'll see if I can get my existing windows boot drive working first
16:23<shurik_>has any1 found the solution for sound yet ?
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16:29<SynrG>sheap: "the solution for sound"? uhh ...
16:29<SynrG>damn you nick completion
16:29<SynrG>sheap: sorry for the noise
16:29<bubchi89>he dc'd
16:29<mumin>pardus
16:29<SynrG>noticed
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16:29<SynrG>after the fact
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16:31<Argure>okay, #debian
16:31<Argure>I'm having one of the weirdest issues I've seen in a while
16:31<Argure>hardware: 2010 MacBook Pro 13" (7,1 model) booting with grub2-efi through refind
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16:32<Argure>using gallium as video driver (GT320 card)
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16:32<Argure>whenever I watch a video, either from hard disk (including a cifs mounted network drive) or youtube streams
16:32<Argure>and then physically move my laptop, even just a little bit
16:32<Argure>at times I get an apparent kernel panic
16:32<Argure>sometimes it's just a direct freeze of everything, sometimes I actually get output in tty first
16:33<Argure>I assumed this could be due to overheating, but after cleaning my fans it also happened without my laptop being particularly warm
16:33<Argure>really, what the hell
16:33<bubchi89>I don't think I can help, but a couple suggestions
16:34<Argure>memtest yielded nothing interesting, by the way.
16:34<bubchi89>do you dual boot? does the same issue happen on another OS?
16:34<Argure>no, single boot straight to debian
16:34<bubchi89>overheating doesn't mean your entire laptop is hot
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16:34<bubchi89>it just means that your CPU is very very hot
16:34<Argure>though I've not experienced it on osx, but it's been a while since I actually booted into osx.
16:34<bubchi89>like if you didn't have a heatsink your CPU would overheat before the rest of the macbook did
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16:34<Argure>and yes, I know, but considering how the entire thing is made of aluminum I can generally notice when my cpu or gpu are overheating, because the entire laptop scolds my fingers
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16:34<bubchi89>if you saw it on OSX then it's probably entirely hardware related
16:35<Argure>I didn't, on OSX
16:35<Argure>that's the weird thing.
16:35<bubchi89>oh misread that
16:35<Argure>it also seems to be happening on VLC and YouTube through Gnash more often than with totem
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16:35<Argure>but that could just as well be a coincidence
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16:36<bubchi89>what if you're doing something else
16:36<bubchi89>like playing a game or something
16:36<Argure>I haven't tried other GPU intensive programs, really
16:36<Argure>other than ps3mediaserver, where I haven't been able to reproduce it yet
16:36<Argure>however, when running ps3mediaserver my laptop is usually - well, not moving
16:36<DarthProbable>Overheating doesn't necessarily mean that cpu is hot.
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16:36<DarthProbable>It may be bug like the one in hp630
16:36<bubchi89>it was just an example to clarify that your machine could shut down before the rest of the body is hot
16:37<Argure>yeah, I realize that
16:37<Argure>but I'm not sure it's related to overheating
16:37<bubchi89>speaking of hot. seattle. no AC
16:38<DarthProbable>As hp630 laptop user, I encountered this problem a lot. I even monitored the processor temperatures. It was not overheating at all.
16:38<bubchi89>also aren't there logs that are recorded on every kernel panic?
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16:38<bubchi89>kern.log or syslog?
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16:40<sheap>hi all
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16:42<Argure>bubchi89: let me check
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16:44<Argure>bubchi89: http://paste.debian.net/30072/
16:44<Argure>the line before that is from an hour earlier
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16:45<bubchi89>i really don't nkow enough about the linux kernel to help
16:45<bubchi89>but jsut glancing at that, the logs from 22:29:26 on look like bootup logs
16:45<bubchi89>the ones before that seem more enticing, but surprised not to see literally the words "kernel panic" there
16:47<Argure>a quick google search suggests it is related to the HDD
16:47<Argure>though I haven't been able to reproduce it on OSX
16:47<bubchi89>Yeah, but then you'd get issues whenever you moved your laptop doing just about anything
16:47<Argure>yep
16:47<Argure>I wonder if it's related to the gyroscopes Apple puts in their HDD's
16:47<bubchi89>were those logs from kern.log or /var/log/messages?
16:48<Argure>kern.log
16:48<bubchi89>huh? i thought Apple just used OEM drives from wd or seagate
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16:48<Argure>afaik there's a gyroscope that locks the HDD on rapid movement such as dropping the laptop.
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16:49<bubchi89>oh hdd drop protection stuff
16:49<bubchi89>i think that's all firmware though right? you could try checking
16:49<bubchi89>i feel like OS has no control over that
16:50<Argure>I guess, yeah.
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16:50<Argure>but you were right when you said, that should affect the laptop all the time
16:50<Argure>not just when watching video.
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16:50<bubchi89>you could try doing more tests
16:51<bubchi89>or look up those errors in kern.log or /log/messages
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16:53<Argure>another channel suspects it might be a failing hdd
16:54<Argure>now to figure out how to get smartctl working :P
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16:55*pablum had a 2.5" hdd that would freeze up and click, but which never went bad...
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16:55<pablum>for like 13y...
16:55<bubchi89>nice haha
16:55<bubchi89>yeah i am not looking forward to replacing hardware. i don't even know what to do with the old hardware
16:56<pablum>upgrades /always/ help :)
16:56<Argure>I like replacing hardware
16:56<Argure>I just really don't have the money for a new HD right now
16:56<bubchi89>i mean i like getting new shit too. but what do you do with the old shit
16:56<bubchi89>craigslist? throw it away? donate?
16:57<pablum>its amazing how cheap a terabyte goes for these days (he says, back creakin')
16:57<pablum>noze
16:57<pablum>external packaging
16:57<pablum>for usb
16:57<Argure>bubchi89: https://privatepaste.com/0763d6a23c
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16:58<bubchi89>are you just repeatedly owning your laptop right now? haha
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17:00<bubchi89>so yeah i would just look up like WRITE FPDMA QUEUED errors or whatever
17:00<bubchi89>or maybe...
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17:01<bubchi89>i mean honestly those commands seem so generic
17:01<bubchi89>i bet the hd only does like 5 different commands :P
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17:01<bubchi89>maybe the "after command completion ocurred, registers were" part
17:01<bubchi89>or find a guide on how to read smartctl logs :P
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17:04<Argure>what mostly scares me is
17:04<Argure>"ATA Error Count: 1074 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)"
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17:04<bubchi89>i mean it just sounds like it couldn't do anything with your HDD
17:04<bubchi89>it tried 1000 times and failed 1000 times
17:04<bubchi89>and then gave up and died
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17:06<pablum>but why only those apps if it's just a hdd error?
17:07<bubchi89>i bet it isn't just those apps. maybe the kernel panic is triggered after sufficient # of errors or something like that
17:07<bubchi89>well not just #. like it tries to write something important and it can't. so it write an error log but that blows up. and then the code says "something is terribly wrong. assert kernel panic"
17:08*pablum tries to imagine one section of the hdd cache failing, only accessed by video and other large file apps
17:08<bubchi89>i think the key thing is that his examples both write/read the hdd _a lot_
17:09<bubchi89>but mostly grasping at straws while i try to figure out how to reinstall the windows bootloader
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17:09<bubchi89>i might just reinstall it with legacy boot so i can use grub for both
17:09<pablum>is it one of those feaux sshd with 6g of cache?
17:09<stderr>Could be a sector used for swap...
17:10<pablum>badblocks might find that...
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17:11<Argure> Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found. (0/0/0 errors)
17:11<Argure>errr, spaces.
17:11<Argure>sorry 'bout that.
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17:12<pablum>hmm, try reseating the hdd?
17:13<Argure>[23:10:57] <Shiz> no, it's just a low-level data error [23:11:05] <Shiz> that's why it goes boom in the first place [23:11:55] <Shiz> your kernel tells you HDD 'yo dawg read dis shit 4 me' [23:12:03] <Shiz> then your HDD says 'wtf is this read command you speak of' [23:12:14] <Shiz> and then it tumbles down
17:13<Argure>pablum: I'll try that in a bit
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17:49<sheap>I have an hp mini with wheezy on it and flash plugin, but for some reason youtube is unwatchable but vimeo plays perfectly fine
17:49<sheap>is there something I can do to change that, or is that youtube's problem?
17:51<ekiwok>sheap, I have same problem with asus eee1015p (same hardware)
17:51<ekiwok>sheap, funny fact it used to work
17:51<sheap>ekiwok any luck with youtube?
17:52<sheap>every other video site plays fine
17:52<ekiwok>sheap, I've noticed same issue but didn't find solution
17:53<sheap>ah ok, thanks
17:53<musca>see https://www.youtube.com/html5
17:53<ekiwok>musca, it didnt help
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17:54<musca>my iceweasel doesn't play h264, while chromium does.
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17:54<sheap>I'm using chrome (not chromium)
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17:54<ixi>I think iceweasel doesn't have h264 support per se
17:55<ixi>or maybe it does now.
17:55<ekiwok>sheap, you made me googling - http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=16841 did you try it?
17:55<musca>youtube-dl , minitube
17:56<ixi>seems like it was added in version 21
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17:56<musca>hmm, still no luck :(
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18:00<sheap>ekiwok ill try it
18:00<magnetophon>Hi, I'm trying to do "chgrp -v audio /dev/rtc" and I'm getting a confirmation on the cli, but the device stays unreadable and my filemanager says it is still owned by group root. What can I do to troubleshoot this?
18:01<ekiwok>sheap, I remember I have this issue since I installed stable
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18:03<sheap>restarted and turned off hardware acceleration
18:03<sheap>didnt work
18:03<sheap>:/
18:04<sheap>ekiwok someone said upgrading to testing solved it
18:04<ekiwok>sheap, yeah but in this thread issue was solved by updating to jessie
18:04<ekiwok>sheap, I'm trying this now
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18:06<sheap>ekiwok okay cool, let me know how it goes
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18:18<toad_>is it possible to install wine from source on 64-bit debian without having to uninstall the 32-bit build environment completely? i do have multiarch setup, i think ... but libfreetype6-dev requires i uninstall the 64-bit gcc?!
18:18<toad_>am i missing something basic about multiarch?
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18:20<kevix>something like 'install a foreign architecure'?
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18:21<toad_>yes i tried to do "apt-get install libfreetype6:i386"
18:21<toad_>which seemed to be what wine wanted
18:21<toad_>but apparently that requires uninstalling gcc for amd64
18:22<kevix>I mean 'add foreign architcture'
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18:22<toad_>i do have other packages for i386 installed
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18:23<toad_>so i thougth multiarch must be working?
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18:25<kevix>toad_: I think you might need: dpkg --add-architecture i386
18:25<kevix>but ask other folks, first.
18:26<kevix>if you have an amd64 system, it will install amd64 stuff unless you tell it that you can also istall i386 stuff.
18:26<kevix>its not automatic
18:26<toad_>yes but i already did that
18:26*toad_ did it again though
18:27<kevix>when you add a foreign arch, it allows you to install a different but compatible arch pkg
18:27<toad_>it still says it needs to remove build-essential gcc etc etc
18:27<kevix>oh. then I might be missing a step then.
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18:27<toad_>i think there are dependency issues - e.g. you can't install the audio filter libraries for both i386 and amd64
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18:28<toad_>but it looks like the 32- and 64- bit versions of gcc conflict?
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18:29<kevix>toad_: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
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18:29<kevix>there maybe a better irc channel for this?
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18:48<ekiwok>toad_, have you done dpkg --add-architecture i386?
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18:50<gabre>hello people
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18:51<gabre>hi noahfx
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18:54<Celelibi>What is the best practice about the mounting point for storage?
18:55<gabre>i think /mnt/something
18:55<gabre>m i right?
18:55<Celelibi>I'm installing a NAS and I don't know where to put my backup and multimedia RAID.
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18:55<gabre>or /media/something
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18:57<Celelibi>Which one? :)
18:57<gabre>i think newer distros mount everythng to /media
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18:57<gabre>but mnt = mount :)
18:57<gabre>u choose :D
18:58<Celelibi>Well... Currently it's in /data :p
18:58<Celelibi>waiting for a better decision.
18:58<gabre>i dont think that it is a problem
18:58<gabre>i would put it to /mnt/data
18:58<gabre>i mounted my things to there
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19:00<Celelibi>Well, FHS say that /mnt is for the temporary fs.
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19:01<Celelibi>And /media for removable media.
19:01<gabre>then /media, but i dont think anybody will be angry at u for putting it to /mnt
19:01<Celelibi>Which doesn't make sense because a removable media is obviously temporary.
19:01<gabre>:D
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19:02<Celelibi>BTW, I have troubles with grub.
19:02<Celelibi>The one embedded in the netinstall.
19:03<gabre>u mean debian netinstall?
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19:03<Celelibi>yep.
19:04<gabre>and what is the problem?
19:04<gabre>what happens or doesnt happen? :)
19:04<gabre>does
19:04<gabre>sorry
19:04<Celelibi>what doesn't happen: installation. :p
19:05<gabre>so u see the grub and then?
19:05<gabre>cant install grub or?
19:06<Celelibi>grub-install fail.
19:06<gabre>i would do the following: download netinstall again, check md5sum,
19:06<Celelibi>wait a second.
19:06<Celelibi>http://paste.debian.net/30124/
19:07<Celelibi>Since grub is downloaded on the fly, I don't think it's useful tu redownload the netinstall. :)
19:07<Celelibi>And I have an uncommon configuration.
19:07<gabre>oh sorry u re right, wait
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19:08<Celelibi>3 disks, one LVM vg per disk. 3 logical volumes per volume group.
19:08<Celelibi>And then, I build a RAID on that. :)
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19:08<gabre>what is md0
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19:09<Celelibi>md0 is a RAID1 from the 3 logical volumes: vg{1,2,3}/lv_system
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19:11<gabre>i dont think this explicitly helps:
19:11<gabre>https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/grub-error-no-such-disk-806789/
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19:14<gabre>isnt there some kind of partition setup before grub install?
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19:14<Celelibi>yes, I made one proper GPT partition per disk.
19:15<Celelibi>With 1Mio gap before the partition.
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19:15<gabre>no such disk i think it may indicate some partitioning related error (or mounting), what is your opinion?
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19:17<dklc8drtjhw3>use raid 1 not 5
19:17<dklc8drtjhw3>on /boot
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19:21<Celelibi>it's raid1.
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19:22<ardex>slim display manager and fluxbox are working well together on this system.
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19:33<msus8w3mnps>ignore /test
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19:43<patryk>hi all
19:43<Supaplex>sup
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19:45<Celelibi>I guess grub just doesn't work.
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20:07<dijinero>twat
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20:08<dijinero>i mean, uh, test
20:08<Supaplex>lol
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20:24<mhall119>just saw that, thought I'd share: http://developer.ubuntu.com/
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20:25<ixi>mhall119 nice
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20:39<Supaplex>very cool.
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21:20<fcrs>anybody use this example from the ACL section of exim4.conf.template? http://paste.debian.net/30164/
21:21<fcrs>does the mentioned security risk exist due to the "add_header" control, or for any use of the spam acl option?
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21:22<fcrs>i have looked through the exim docs and found a couple other examples but none mention their relative security
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21:23<viviana>hi
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21:28<dklc8drtjhw3> fcrs >what are your sec requirments? is say 'in case of a s.a exploit' Do you know any pending exploit?
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21:34<fcrs>dklc8drtjhw3: i would like to know if there's a more secure method, for example would using SA in a different way be more secure? possibly outside of the ACL?
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21:38<dklc8drtjhw3>i gues you can sortout/filter spam out of exim
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21:44<fcrs>dklc8drtjhw3: i'm piping mail to spamc from procmail now. since i only filter spam, that's probably the most flexible way, j was just curious about this warning in the config file
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21:48<dklc8drtjhw3> fcrs > do you/log monitor your net by wireshark ? if not, then disregad concern with exim sec.
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21:54<fcrs>dklc8drtjhw3: do you mean, unless i'm paranoid, i shouldn't worry about it? i accept that the risk is minimal, i'm just umcomfortable doing stuff before i understand everything
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22:02<fcrs>dklc8drtjhw3: thanks, i figured it out now, it's because the example runs SA as user: Debian-exim instead of something like "nobody"
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22:19<Guest4483>any idea why this application won't install http://pastebin.com/PY2Jxus1
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22:22<abrotman>Guest4483: this isn't #ubuntu
22:23*dvs looks at the /topic
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22:24<Guest4483>I'm installing on a Debian system
22:25<abrotman>And you htink installing packages on squeeze intended for ubuntu is a good idea?
22:25<abrotman>erm, wheezy
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22:27<Guest4483>Ok the site said the package was for Debian/Ubuntu
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22:28<dvs>It ain't the Debian site
22:28*themill would quite like to RoQA software-properties
22:32<kevix>Guest4483: what software is this?
22:33<Guest4483>kevix it's a conky manager
22:34<kevix>and this isn't in Debian?
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22:36<abrotman>it is
22:36<Guest4483>http://teejeetech.blogspot.com/p/conky-manager.html
22:36<Guest4483>Easy to install conky
22:38<abrotman>it's already in Debian ..
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22:38<abrotman>judd: versions conky
22:38<judd>Package: conky on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.9.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.9.0-2; jessie: 1.9.0-3; sid: 1.9.0-3
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22:38<abrotman>look, it's in Debian!
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22:38<abrotman>you don't need a PPA that may just break your system
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22:39<Guest4483>I looked in synaptic
22:39<themill>conky != conky-manager
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22:40<abrotman>ah
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22:40<abrotman>well, then, continue breaking the system!
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22:42<fcrs>Guest4483: there's a lot of pretty looking conkyrc examples online, if you decide you don't need the ppa, which is unsupported and could break your system
22:43<Guest4483>I'll do a search I'm not installing this manager.
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22:44<Guest4483>fcrs, thanks
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22:45<jmcknight>ubuntu PPAs in stable debian = russian roulette
22:45<jmcknight>if that's your game, by all means
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22:47<piper>i would go further, debian period
22:47<jmcknight>debian is russian roulette?
22:48<jmcknight>well, i could see that if you have limited experience
22:48<fcrs>or just mixing in general, ppa or otherwise
22:48<piper>no, ppa in debian period
22:48<themill>dpkg, russian roulette jmcknight
22:48*dpkg trembles, picks up the gun and points it at the head of jmcknight...*CLICK*
22:48<jmcknight>i don't even like that i have to use deb-multimedia for a few things
22:48<jmcknight>but an ubuntu PPA? ugh
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22:52<piper>lol at the russian roulette (dpkg)
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23:00<jmcknight>piper: it was perfect. felt very deer hunter-ish
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23:08<revolver14>Hello everyone, please help me. I can't decide on which architecture I should choose of Wheezy, my CPU is AMD Athlon II X4 641, 4GB memory.
23:09<abrotman>amd64
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23:10<revolver14>I tried it but virtualbox fail to boot
23:11<revolver14>Is i386 suitable for machine of amd64?
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23:12*themill wonders where virtualbox fits into this story
23:13<revolver14>Mm.
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23:15<revolver14>Anyway why 64bit?
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23:39<bubchi89>exit
23:40<bubchi89>yep that happened
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23:40<qaz2012>hi
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23:41<qaz2012>I have problem with rtl8192se ...the card its kinda working but just at 11mbps..
23:41<qaz2012>anybody got the same issue?
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23:42<kevix>any message about it in /var/log/messages about the rate or negotiation?
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23:45<qaz2012>yes is set at 11mb/s when the router is seto n G (54mb/s) is I set on N or bgn the card stop working and showing 1 mb/s
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23:47<qaz2012>the package firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb is installed
23:47<qaz2012>so the card loading the correct firmware
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23:48<qaz2012>I don't know if there is anything I can do to boost the speed or just change the card
23:48<qaz2012>with another brand
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23:55<qaz2012>anybody have this chipset?
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23:56<qaz2012>install compact-wireless can help?
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