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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-08-26

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01:10<bullgard4>Description of the DEB program package linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 in Debian 7.1: "This package provides the architecture-specific kernel header files for Linux kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64, generally used for building out-of-tree kernel modules." What is a out-of-tree kernel module"?
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01:12<sney>bullgard4: anything that's not in the upstream linux kernel source tree. usually third-party stuff or experimental drivers that haven't been included in the kernel yet. the most common example I see is proprietary gpu drivers
01:13<bullgard4>sney: Ah! Thank you very much for explaining.
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01:30<drayke>I'm curious, anyone know anything about linux deepin??
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01:34<nonconvergent>Hunting for libgmp.so.3
01:34<drayke>559 ppl and no talkers XD
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01:39<themill>nonconvergent: for which debian release?
01:40<nonconvergent>Wheezy.
01:40<nonconvergent>Not seeing it.
01:40<themill>it's not in wheezy. What needs that library?
01:40<nonconvergent>This is some kind of hell, punishing me for wanting to build from source.
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01:41<themill>no, building from source will not require a particular version of libgmp
01:41<nonconvergent>ghc installing from a binary does, oddly enough.
01:43<themill>sounds a lot like "running a random binary" not "compiling from source"
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01:45<nonconvergent>ghc
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01:46<nonconvergent>It's quixotic. I need ghc to build ghc. So I tried to just grab the binary.
01:47<themill>it's not like ghc isn't packaged for debian and it's not like bootstrapping compilers is unheard of
01:48<nonconvergent>Yeah, that's what I'm doing now.
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01:48<themill>anyway, that library exists for squeeze -- the packages are probably coinstallable
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01:54<nonconvergent>any idea to know where make install is going to shove things?
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02:05<neo1691>I was installing some packages via add or remove software and simultaneously surfing on chrome when debian freezed. Only mouse is moving. Anything I can do other than restarting the laptop?
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02:09<chealer>neo1691: probably. do you have an SSH server?
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02:10<neo1691>chealer: no
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02:11<neo1691>I can't even set it up now
02:11<chealer>neo1691: can you go to, say tty1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1)?
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02:11<neo1691>chealer: nope not working either
02:11<neo1691>Only mouse seems to work
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02:12<chealer>neo1691: there's a way to recover from a frozen X, which involves at least one keyboard shortcut, but I can't remember it.
02:13<neo1691>chealer: but keyboard won't seem to work in my case
02:13<kevix>sysctrl?
02:13<kevix>sysreq
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02:14<chealer>neo1691: it probably does, but just for that one thing which I can't remember as I only used it once.
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02:15<neo1691>Ok thanks chealer , i will try to run a Google search from my phone. Let's see if I can come up with something
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02:16<chealer>neo1691: see http://www.howtogeek.com/119127/use-the-magic-sysrq-key-on-linux-to-fix-frozen-x-servers-cleanly-reboot-and-run-other-low-level-commands/
02:17<nonconvergent>Can someone translate "cabal-debian will generated the Debian meta data for a Debian package from the cabal file of a Haskell package
02:17<nonconvergent>for me?
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02:17<nonconvergent>What exactly does that metadata do?
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02:23<neo1691>chealer: only Alt + SysRq + k worked. Now screen is completely blank.
02:24<chealer>neo1691: so Ctrl+Alt+F1 still doesn't get you to a tty?
02:24<neo1691>chealer: just a black screen with mouse which is movable
02:26<chealer>neo1691: and it didn't work after Alt + SysRq + r ?
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02:28<neo1691>No chealer that didn't worked either. Now rebooted using reisub
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02:29<chealer>neo1691: sounds like a good compromise
02:30<neo1691>Yeah everything seems normal. All the packages seems to be installed properly
02:32<kevix>nonconvergent: http://mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/debian-package.png
02:32<kevix>nonconvergent: maybe the debian control file?
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02:33<kevix>nonconvergent: and debian rules
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02:41<miscos>what is ip network command
02:41<miscos>?
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03:03<wolf-hack-111>Hello there
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03:24<rjsalts>does anyone know how to reliably trust a certificate in kleopatra. I'm trying to but gpgsm never seems to get the message
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04:33<doertedev>ohai. i need to install php5.4 on a server which runs 5.5 via dotdeb. i deleted the dotdeb 5.5 repo lines from /etc/apt/sources.list. Does a simple apt-get install --reinstall php5 do it?
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04:36<Calinou>try it :)
04:36<doertedev>meh
04:36<doertedev>:P
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04:36<Calinou>if you're not sure, apt-get remove php5 then apt-get install php5
04:38<doertedev>hm okay
04:38<doertedev>lets give it a shot
04:38<doertedev>stupid shopware... who the fu** encodes php files with a proprietary software ? -.-
04:39<doertedev>now that stupid encoder isnt available for 5.5 grrrrrrrrr
04:39<doertedev>gotta switch back to perl i tell ya -.-
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04:42<ixi>doertedev some companies (for example, authors of certain popular web control panel) also encode their perl
04:42<ixi>using an XS blob that does runtime decryption
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04:47<doertedev>ixi: does it require proprietary software encoders who might not be available for "was bleeding edge about half a year ago" versions? :P
04:47<doertedev>decoders sry
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04:49<ixi>their solution is completely in-house
04:49<ixi>and they ship the decoder with their software
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04:52<xtruthx>dpkg: tell xtruthx about sponsor
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05:13<paulio>Hello I boot to Debian 7.1 but I have bad resolution and I have only black screen. How I can set resolution?
05:14<paulio>I have only pure Debian without Gnome etc.
05:14<ixi>no X ?
05:14<paulio>In installation i check only pure system.
05:15<paulio>In tasksel. Last chice.
05:15<paulio>choice
05:15<ixi>what GPU do you have ?
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05:16<DusXMT>It might be that the video drivers don't properly support your frame buffer. It can be disabled. Try booting linux with "nofb" (You go to Grub, edit the boot entry, and add nofb at the end of the line which begins with "linux")
05:17<paulio>If i boot i see command and in one moment it blink to black screen. I have laptop with Intel 945 GM.
05:18<DusXMT>Yes, that's a frame buffer issue. Try what I said, and see if it works
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05:18<voro>hi
05:19<voro>I have a little problem with kjournald, anyone can help?
05:19<devil_>voro: if not, try #debian-kde
05:20<voro>kjournald is part of the kernel, not kde
05:20<voro>ext3 journaling
05:22<voro>http://imgur.com/Hj3X1e3
05:22<paulio>DusXMT: Super, thank you...
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05:22<bzed>voro: what kind of disk do you habe there?
05:22<voro>every 7-10 days, await increases, and iotop shows kjournald writing to disk, non stop
05:23<bzed>voro: and whats running on it? are you using md?
05:23<voro>03:00.0 RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic MegaRAID SAS 1078 (rev 04)
05:23<voro>ext3 partition
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05:23<DusXMT>paulio: It works? Nice. To make the change pernament, you have to edit your /etc/default/grub, and change the line saying 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""' to say 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nofb"', save, and run update-grub
05:24<bzed>voro: is your raid controller checking/resyncing its raid device?
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05:24<bzed>voro: might be that you can configure it to do that with low priority
05:25<musca>voro: it's the patrol read checking health of your array.
05:25<voro>yeah, I thought that too...
05:25<voro>but why is kjournald writing that much
05:25<voro>iotop shows that it's the only process writing to disk
05:25<voro>almost
05:25<musca>it starts exactly one week after "Power ON"
05:25<bzed>voro: are you sure its writing much? I'd guess its just waiting for io
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05:25<paulio>DusXMT: Ok, thank you very much. :)
05:26<DusXMT>paulio: You're very welcome :)
05:26<voro>nope, it's writing, the "disk write" column keeps increasing
05:26<voro>a few KBs every second
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05:27<musca>bzed: yes, patrol read eats too much I/O, processes must wait.
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05:28<bzed>voro: http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2011/09/12/megacli-useful-commands/
05:28<bzed>voro: you might want to set the read rate
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05:32<voro>thanks, but, what does it has to do with kjournald writing so much?
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05:36<voro>btw, patrol is stopped, and it was stopped when kjournald went nuts in the past
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06:33<magnetophon>I'm trying to do "chgrp -v audio /dev/rtc" and I'm getting a confirmation on the cli, but the device stays unreadable and my filemanager says it is still owned by group root. What can I do to troubleshoot this?
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06:49<rpetre>hello, can someone point out what's the current policy for release version numbers? i see wheezy as both 7.0 and 7.1
06:50<weasel>wheezy is 7.*
06:50<weasel>or just 7.
06:50<rpetre>weasel: so it's a guarantee that jessie will be 8?
06:50<weasel>that'd be my guess.
06:50<Maulkin>rpetre: no guarantee, but highly likely
06:50<weasel>don't know if it has been decided yet.
06:50<weasel>maybe it'll be debian 2015
06:51<rpetre>the trouble is i'm writing some config mgmt policies and i'm trying to detect wheezy based on version numbers
06:51<Maulkin>I'd suggest using /etc/debian_version
06:51<rpetre>ok, so 7 is guaranteed to be wheezy
06:51<ixi>2015 is better than jessie
06:51<rpetre>no 7.8 release
06:51<rpetre>or something
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06:51<Maulkin>There could be a 7.8 version of wheezy
06:52<rpetre>yes, but any 7.x will be wheezy
06:52<rpetre>right?
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06:52<Maulkin>highly likely, yes.
06:52<weasel>rpetre: what are you trying to do, really?
06:52<weasel>re-implement lsb_release -a?
06:53<rpetre>weasel: cfengine defines classes (more like boolean variables), some of them are debian_7 and debian_7_1
06:53<rpetre>i want to be sure that debian_7 == wheezy
06:53<Maulkin>If I'm still release manager, then wheezy will be 8, jessie will be 8. But I haven't decided if I want to do yet another release.
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06:53<rpetre>i recall past releases where second part of the version was significant
06:54<Maulkin>ie: major.minor.
06:54<Maulkin>Yeah, in 3.1 or something
06:54<weasel>Maulkin: wheezy will be 8? :)
06:54<rpetre>it seems it changed a lot during the years (i always use codenames, but meh)
06:55<Maulkin>weasel: pfft
06:55<rpetre>ok, i'll go with 7.* == wheezy
06:55<rpetre>Maulkin: sorry, i didn't know you were RM, that's as good as i can get, i guess :)
06:57<Maulkin>No worries
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07:57<malo>hello
07:57<babilen>malo: Welcome, what can we do for you?
07:59<malo>no, thank ...
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09:58<Dentych>I have a dedicated server hosted at a hosting company. It has just completely shut off and forcing me to force an automatic hardware reset through. What would be the best suggestions as to what log files to look at?
09:58<daemonkeeper>kern.log / syslog
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10:00<Dentych>Hmm.. Both are not indicating any problems. There's just a hole between 14:06 (when the crash was registered) and when I started it up 10 minutes ago
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10:02<kevix>turnoff any unneeded services, if you have not done so?
10:03<kevix>is there any monitoring of load or cpu temperateure or fans?
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10:06<Dentych>I do not personally monitor the component temperatures, but I sure hope they are monitoring it, since it's a pretty well-established hosting company. I have asked them if their cooling is ok, and are setting up monitoring now to see it for myself.
10:08<Dentych>Though, acpi -t returns 30 degrees celcius
10:08<Dentych>for a start ;)
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10:11<cae>Dentych: if that happened once, you probably don't see any interesting logs because /var/log has been read-only at that time
10:12<cae>you could use logging via network or the netconsole (I think that's the name, basically dmesg | netcat) but that only helps for future crashes
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10:14<automate>Morning all. I'm having some trouble. I'm installing debian on a new server. Installation goes fine, but after a boot, server won't see ANY of the hard drive partitions. I suspect this is a UEFI thing, as the server does have a UEFI bios. https://wiki.debian.org/BootLoader seems to indicate that GRUB-EFI2 should work, but I'm not sure how. Does anyone have a link to a wikipage on how to install wheezy on a UEFI system?
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10:16<Dentych>cae: Would I not have to have a second server to enable netcat dmesg logging?
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10:17<cae>Dentych: you would. So it's not really an option if you don't have another box there... I wouldn't recommend logging through evil netwoks
10:18<cae>Dentych: netconsole is a kernel param, see https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt
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10:19<Dentych>cae: Yes, that's the problem. I only have this single one. However, my service provider has requested permission to check BIOS version/settings and update it to latest stable version. It might hopefully help
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10:22<NeO_Anderson>hello i'm struggling to get my system to boot, it's a remote machine which we changed kernels from the providers custom ones to an xen kernel, I then found out that it's not a good idea to run xen kernel with virtualbox so I have decided to switch to stock kernel instead
10:22<NeO_Anderson>however, since doing that, my sysstem no longer boots up
10:23<NeO_Anderson>i've checked syslog nothing showing in there since the reboot command was issued
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10:23<NeO_Anderson>same for all logs so far.. with the exception of dmesg which is showing what appears to me as a normal boot-up output
10:24<NeO_Anderson>here's the paste bin of it: http://pastebin.com/sVMKDTag
10:24<NeO_Anderson>I've chrooted into the machine and set the default kernel back to 0 in grub
10:24<NeO_Anderson>and rebooted but it still didnt boot up properly
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10:24<NeO_Anderson>(if at all)
10:24<NeO_Anderson>and i realy have no idea what to do next :S
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10:28<abrotman>NeO_Anderson: please stick to one network, it's annoying to have to track two
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10:28<abrotman>(and could lead to conflicting advice)
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10:39<NeO_Anderson>sorry abrotman trying to get help any where I can coz im lost i dont know what to do to fix my problem :(
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10:46<abrotman>NeO_Anderson: so pick one
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11:09<sven>i see tons of packages depend on libc6 *and* libgcc1, but libc6 depends on libgcc1, *and* they both have priority=required
11:10<sven>i don't see where in the policy manual how to handle such cases, when trying to create my own deb with the correct depends
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11:10<sven>the binary i'm packaging has ldd dependencies of both libc6 and libgcc, so i guess it's apt to include them both in the Depends line
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11:13<SynrG>sven: cite examples, including exact commands used to make this determination
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11:14<SynrG>sven: you do not need to depend on required at all. however, some dependencies are versioned when it is known that specific prior versions don't work with the package. maybe that is what you're seeing?
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11:14<sven>package aegis:i386 has Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), for example
11:14<SynrG>sven: and isn't this a #debian-mentors question anyway?
11:15<sven>ah, could be. wasn't sure of which channel to use
11:15<SynrG>sven: yes. that's what i suspected. versioned deps
11:15<sven>ok, that makes sense. thanks
11:15<SynrG>those would normally be generated for you by dh, methinks
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11:16<sven>i'm packaging a proprietary 32-bit-only binary from hp, so i have to do skip some of the steps in the manual
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11:16<sven>thanks for the -mentors tip. i'll try there next time
11:18<SynrG>ok. see dh_shlibdeps / dpkg-shlibdeps. even if you don't do the former, you could use the latter.
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11:27<kevix>is there some assumed packages from the set of 'essential' pacakges and thus you dont include those in 'depends'?
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11:36<quackquack>debwrt has no irc channel?
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11:39<SynrG>kevix: we've moved on from there in #debian-mentors. but yes, FYI: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-dependencies
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11:41<kevix>SynrG: thanks for the url
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11:41<SynrG>quackquack: there is #emdebian
11:42<quackquack>SynrG, thanks
11:42<SynrG>quackquack: there is #debwrt @ irc.freenode.net
11:42<SynrG>quackquack: this is irc.oftc.net
11:42<quackquack>i am in freenode as well and i went there and no one except chanserv is there.
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11:43<SynrG>ah. too bad.
11:43<quackquack>:\
11:43<SynrG>sometimes projects relocate irc servers ... maybe ask through their regular support channels if there is any active irc channel?
11:43<SynrG>s/servers/networks/
11:43<SynrG>good luck
11:44<SynrG>if you get a definitive answer, it's worth updating dpkg bot with the pointer
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11:44<quackquack>thanks mate, i will for sure.
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12:37<diederik>Hi! My server died and now I've placed the server's hdd in my normal pc.
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12:39<diederik>Those disks were 'partioned' with lvm, but only 1 PV is displayed and not the one which was on a software RAID1 (md) device
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12:39<diederik>why isn't the PV on the md device not recognised and what can I do about it?
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12:53<diederik>probably found the error: I don't have mdadm (yet) installed on my pc
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13:02<retroj>on a jessie system, usb drives are mounted automatically, with user and group root:root. i would like to change the group to either plugdev or floppy, so that i can use the drive more conveniently with my user account. what is the recommended way to do this?
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13:05<retroj>looks like i will also need to change the default permissions to enable group writing
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13:29<ImageJPEG>other than a few filesystems using fuse, is there a way to convert more drivers to run in userspace?
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13:34<tmssgrdn>Hi, going to install debian on my asus eee 1000he, it has an intel arm processor with 32bit op-mode. What I'm wondering is if the armhf image would be better than the i386 one?
13:34<kevix>huh
13:35<kevix>its either x86 or arm?
13:35<sney>the 1000he was an atom eee last I checked
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13:36<tmssgrdn>yes, but is the armhf images for that kind of computers?
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13:36<sney>no
13:37<sney>armhf is for arm. atom is x86
13:37<sney>I have an eee 1000ha. it's very similar. you want the i386 installer
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13:38<tmssgrdn>haha, right, I've been sitting with a raspberry pi for some time, didn't notice the difference between arm and atom... lul
13:38<tmssgrdn>thanks though
13:39<Xylon>Hi, is it bad practice to modify an /etc/init.d/ file?
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13:40<movl>Xylon, depends on the purpose
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13:41<retroj>Xylon: when you modify such system files, apt will prompt you about what to do when an upgrade wants to overwrite the file. in that situation, it is generally best to manually merge your changes with any updates that come from the repository, so you just need to keep track of your changes.
13:41<Xylon>retroj, OK
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13:59<miquel>hola a todos.
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14:00<roughnecks>!es
14:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:00<miquel>tengo una pregunta sobre el montaje de una unidad remota por ssh, alguien podria responderme?
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14:03<miquel>hello i have a question about mount disk with sshfs, can you help me?
14:04<captnfab>hi :) we don't know if we can help until you ask your question!
14:04<miquel>ok.
14:04<miquel>the question is, ....
14:04<kevix>have you read the 'man' page or did a search for 'sshfs example'?
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14:04<miquel>i configure corretly the fstab file with sshfs# parameters, but ever when i reboot the system need do it the mount comand.
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14:05<miquel>how can i do it this atumatically.
14:05<miquel>automatically, sorry.
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14:06<miquel>can you help me?
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14:06<miquel>disculpad, me leeis?
14:06<sney>can you paste the line you put in fstab?
14:07<miquel>yes,
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14:08<miquel>sshfs#userl@syte.xx:/home/userl/xx /home/xx/ fuse comment=sshfs,noauto,users,exec,reconnect 0 0
14:08<captnfab>what does the "noauto" parameter does?
14:09<captnfab>-es
14:09<sney>'noauto' is the option that specifies for it to not mount automatically on boot
14:09<miquel>the comand is correct, but i ever need to do mount /home/xx
14:09<kevix>dont automaticaly mount?
14:09<sney>you remove 'noauto' and it should work
14:09<miquel>if i put auto, i have the same problem.
14:09<miquel>only remove?
14:09<captnfab>kevix: I was asking to miquel :)
14:09<sney>noauto is for e.g. cd-rom drives, removable media
14:09<kevix>ok, heh, captnfab
14:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 624] by debhelper
14:10<miquel>ok. thanks, i try i say you is resolved the problem.
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14:11<miquel>Im trying now
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14:14<miquel>captnfab: I have the same problem.
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14:15<captnfab>ok
14:16<captnfab>why is the "users" parameter given?
14:16<captnfab>you want it to be (un)mountable by users?
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14:17<captnfab>how is the ssh authentification made? with an ssh key? shouldn't you specify it in the fstab file?
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14:17<miquel>because i need that other users can see this folder
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14:18<captnfab>oh, so that's an option for sshfs
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14:19<captnfab>I mixed it with the "user" option
14:19<miquel>i use a rsa key, whith this metod no need password
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14:19<captnfab>yes, but you might need to specify the rsa key to use
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14:21<sney>when fstab is parsed at boot, it's run as root, not your user account, so anything you have in /home/userl/.ssh will not be seen
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14:24<Gundam>Hola probando...
14:24<Gundam>¿se lee?
14:25<miquel>yes the rsa key is correct, because i only need do manually a mount /home/user/folder and then mount the remote folder without problems
14:25<miquel>but i like that the mount be do it in the init of system.
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14:25<miquel>gundam: el debian en español es #debian-es
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14:26<Gundam>ok
14:26<Gundam>xD
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14:33<miquel>sney: if i undestand you, yo say me that te fstab runing how root?
14:34<miquel>sney: I need put the key how root then?
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14:35<miquel>sney: ok, perhaps will be this, i go to try another time. thanks.
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14:45<cerberus-XX>hey people, can any of you help with kernel panics?
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14:49<trico>stop spooking your kernel
14:49<kevix>try a previous version of the kernel until it stops panics
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14:49<Avy>apo spoda mpenw edw
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14:52<cerberus-XX>I want to do dist-upgrade to fix it, can it be done from livecd?
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14:53<cerberus-XX>the dreadful error: http://i.imgur.com/5tKKBB0.jpg
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14:57<cae>cerberus-XX: are you shure your /lib is still alive? $ find /media/my_root_partition/lib -name libsepol\*
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14:58<cerberus-XX>cae: i'll go check
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15:00<cae>if it hits, do ldconfig -r /media/my_root_partition (or chroot there and run ldconfig without params)
15:01<alex_>111
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15:01<cae>and because it's the initrd, do update-initramfs -u inside chroot
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15:13<cerberus-XX>cae: should i bind /proc /dev /sys before chroot?
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15:14<cae>cerberus-XX: I'd do it... /sys and /dev _could_ be not neccessary, but it won't disturb
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15:17<cerberus-XX>cae: yea witout bind was giving warnings. so reboot now?
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15:20<cae>cerberus-XX: try it
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15:34<cerberus-XX>cae: update-initramfs gave missing firmware errors about radeon, after reboot it said "invalid iomem size. you may experience problems" and now it still panics :(
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15:40<tuman>anybody use debian testing (jessie)? i couldnd find compiz package, i think i have problem with sourcelist
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15:43<cerberus-XX> tuman: get it from source?
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15:44<cae>cerberus-XX: with the same message? You could try to cpio --extract the initrd and look up if the lib is missing
15:44<tuman>anybody use debian testing (jessie)? i couldnd find compiz package, i think i have problem with sourcelist
15:45<Sleepyde>only package aptitude finds is compiz-fusion-bcop
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15:47<tuman>Sleepyde compiz-fusion-bcop is same with compiz-fusion ?
15:47<cae>tuman: there is no compiz in wheezy... you could probably take the packages from snapshot.debian.org
15:48<tuman>i have same problem when i try to install teamviewer
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15:48<tuman>cae i use debiam-jessie
15:49<cae>tuman: http://packages.debian.org/compiz doesn't change anything
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15:50<tuman>cae what is meaning of this? compiz isnt installed in debian?
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15:51<tuman>cae: or packages are preparing?
15:52<cae>tuman: it simply means that the only compiz package in official Debian is in Squeeze
15:53<tuman>cae: then, can i install from debian squeeze sources?
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15:57<Sleepyde>tuman, cae said you can maybe take the packages from snapshot.debian.org
15:58<Sleepyde>i'd say google and try...i don't see anything harmful happening...either apt-get likes the sources.list or it doesn't :)
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15:58<tuman>when i try to install teamviewer, tviewer wants lib32asound package, when i try old package, i take error about version.
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16:00<Sleepyde>sorry, can't help you with that...
16:00<cerberus-XX>cae: what update- initramfs returns: http://i.imgur.com/rFtCjwI.jpg
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16:00<tuman>thanks cae Sleepyde
16:01<Sleepyde>you're welcome
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16:04<biglinux>oi
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16:14<jhutchins_wk>Did I accidentally paste something?
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16:15<captnfab>jhutchins_wk: not here, or not today
16:15<jhutchins_wk>Oops, freenode...
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16:23<cerberus-XX>cae: i have a problem with shared libraries appearently, now cant reach libselinux.so.1
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16:25<cae>cerberus-XX: well, probably post it to forums.debian.net or some mailing list/other Debian related forums
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16:34<jalalsfs>I tried to install debian, but the screen goes black because the resolution, how can I change the resolution while installing Debian?
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16:36<sney>you could boot with 'nomodeset' and that would probably leave it at a low, non framebuffer res
16:37<cerberus-XX>cae: will do that if I get truly hopeless, in the meantime, some libc6-dev packages are asking me to apt-get -f install. when I attempt that it never finishes
16:39<nadir>"never finishes" is not very detailed.
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16:41<jalalsfs>sney, So shall I type 'nomodeset' before booting?
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16:42<sney>jalalsfs: that's the idea. the advanced options in the installer may have some more suggestions.
16:42<jalalsfs>sney, No, it hasn't like theses options, I checked it.
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16:43<cerberus-XX>dpkg encounters some errors and doesnt complete the install nadir
16:43<dpkg>cerberus-XX: I don't know, could you explain it?
16:44<nadir>same thing: what are "some errors" and when does it stop to install
16:44<nadir>best might be to redirect and pastebin the output
16:45<nadir>s/pastebin/pastebinit
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17:03<cae>cerberus-XX: put the (error) messages to http://paste.debian.net/
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17:15<Guest4571>quien escuha en español ?
17:15<sney>!es
17:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:17<valeriy>!ru
17:17<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
17:17<valeriy>печалька...
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17:18<valeriy>!uz
17:18<valeriy>!de
17:18<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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17:18<valeriy>!en
17:18<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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17:19<sney>!msg the bot
17:19<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
17:19<valeriy>!ch
17:19<dpkg>[ch] Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: http://debian.ch/ which lives in #debian.ch . See also #linux.ch on Freenode.
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17:19<valeriy>!uk
17:19<dpkg>methinks uk is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and comprises the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. (Under ISO 3166-1, it should have been .gb not .uk, but that never quite caught on.)
17:19<valeriy>!ekr
17:19<sney>!tell valeriy about msg the bot
17:19<valeriy>ok ok
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17:32<cerberus-XX>cae: holy crap, hard to believe but after installing firmware-linux-nonfree package, did your ldconfig -r & update-initframfs thingie again so now I can boot! thank a thousand!
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17:33<cae>cerberus-XX: cool, can you track down what part of your hardware needed that firmware? (dmesg | grep -i firm or something)
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17:40<patwotrik>if i want to compile programs from sources, then a lot of libraries often is needed
17:41<patwotrik>if i don't want all these libraries on my main system, is chroot the solution?
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17:42<cerberus-XX>cae: pretty sure it was the radeon gpu
17:43<sney>patwotrik: pbuilder
17:44<cae>patwotrik: yeah, I'd say that. Or something like pbuilder, which is basically tar+chroot
17:44<cae>cerberus-XX: good to know
17:44<patwotrik>ok
17:44<patwotrik>i'll look into that
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17:46<pmart>i also had problems with my radeon laptop card. it didn't work properly without non-free firmware -- vesa driver was loaded by xorg, and kernel was complaining about not being able to do KMS
17:47<pmart>is it a rule for radeon cards?
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17:47<pmart>i used to have nvidia and now i don't really know what is worse
17:47<sar>A couple of questions. How can I force a network interface to come up at boot even if the link is down? Also, the system lags for about 20-30 seconds at "configuring network interfaces". Is there a way to speed this up - seems a bit slow. Its just a base install, firewall box.
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17:48<sar>(no dhcp - all static)
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17:48<pmart>is dhcp that bad?
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17:48<sar>just commenting that it isn't using dhcp
17:49<pmart>oh, yes, thought it was somebody else's reply
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17:50<sar>Could it be the "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces? Is that auto up or auto negotiate link speed?
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17:51<blast007>sar: try a 'man interfaces' :)
17:52<blast007>(describes what 'auto' does there)
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17:53<blast007>sar: how many interfaces do you have?
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17:54<sar>two - eth0 and eth1 (WAN and LAN)
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17:56<sney>pmart: the free radeon driver is missing features without the firmware. how big of a deal this is depends on the card.
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17:56<pmart>sney: you mean the kernel one or xorg's one?
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17:57<sney>the kernel module is the one that loads firmware
17:57<pmart>that's right
17:57<sney>some older cards, the only downside of using it without the firmware is 3d acceleration performance. others, it depends
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18:01<pmart>for mine X couldn't load xserver-xorg-video-driver, and i was using vesa one. quite suprisingly, it was pretty capable for "vesa"-driver. i didn't noticed right away. it used native lcd resolution.
18:01<sar>I suspected this - it's related to avahi daemon. I tried to remove it entirely but if I do, xfce4 is also removed.
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18:02<pmart>xfce4 metapackage or the whole package set?
18:02<sar>I can't imagine why iceweasel requires avahi
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18:05<pmart>sar: it doesn't. the problem is with xfce4 which probably indirectly depends on avahi-daemon
18:05<sney>sar: 'aptitude why' is your friend
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18:06<sar>If I do 'aptitude purge libavahi-common3' it tries to remove iceweasel as well. I don't really need xfce - blackbox would be fine.
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18:07<pmart>sar: you need to mark iceaweasel as manually installed then it won't be automatically removed after you get rid of xfce4
18:07<sar>aptitude why is cool though - never knew. pmart - okay I'll try that.
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19:48<shaiba>is there a way to unmount the device in phonon system setings
19:48<shaiba>id like to do it all over
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19:51<kveroneau>Thinking of buying a new laptop, but not sure how to figure out if it's debian compatible or not.
19:52<abrotman>live CD
19:52<kveroneau>Now that we got these win8 laptops, with secure boot and touchscreens, it makes laptop shopping more of a chore.
19:52<kveroneau>Do stores allow you to use live cds in store?
19:53<abrotman>allow .. so cute ..
19:53<kveroneau>I honestly never asks
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19:59<ninkotech>hi, i would like to do automated debian install, but i can use only ipv6 address and i need it to be (manually, not from AR) computed from specified prefix and mac address -- as done by ipv6calc --in prefix+mac --action prefixmac2ipv6 $PREFIX $MAC.... is this possible with standard debian installer and preseeding somehow?
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20:02<shaiba>i think i saw an eror when shuting down . its prety quik so i cant read it that fast . is there logs i can go oand read ?
20:03<shaiba>and comand to chek that
20:04<stevecotton>shaiba: depends, if it's right at the end of shutting down then it can't write to the filesystem any more (and a camera in video mode is the only way)
20:04<shaiba>id like to read the log anyways
20:04<shaiba>i saw warning..
20:04<shaiba>overheating somethnig..
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20:04<shaiba>i think its in the midle . closer to the top of the screen
20:04<shaiba>camera wont help its very small font
20:05<shaiba>very tiny
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20:06<stevecotton>zgrep overheating /var/log/*
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20:08<shaiba>nothing came up
20:08<stevecotton>it's probably in several of /var/log/{syslog,dmesg,kern,debug} , if it's there at all :(
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20:09<shaiba>linux dont have shutdown text files ?
20:10<stevecotton>at the late stages of shutdown, the filesystem is read-only, so it can't write it
20:11<shaiba>i got u
20:11<shaiba>brb ill go try see it
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20:21<ooki2day>hi all)
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20:31<ooki2day>hi all!!!!!!
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22:00<ooki2day>hi all
22:00<dvs>zzzzzzzzz
22:01<ooki2day>I'm want to install debian at my notebook, but on external HDD
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22:03<leowyy>server rizonbnc.us.rizon.net 1234 Okashii:smokeweed
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22:04<ooki2day>ok, install is end, I will restarting notebook... and fuck
22:04<ooki2day>the debian isn't booting
22:05<ooki2day>wtf?
22:06<ooki2day>I've tried all partitions\
22:07<ooki2day>grubs
22:07<ooki2day>but, the system isn't booting
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22:13<cogito>Where did the Nethack QT front-end go? It's not there for Wheezy, but it's listed for Squeeze in oldstable
22:15<themill>cogito: see the package changelog
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22:17<cogito>What changelog? I found the package here http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nethack-qt
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22:18<cogito>While i'm here, i installed Regnum using there installer, how do i uninstall it?
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22:19<themill>cogito: You're interested in newer versions than that though, so follow the PTS link
22:19<abrotman>what program did oyu use to install it ?
22:19<themill>cogito: one problem at a time, please.
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22:24<cogito>so? version 12.1 had QT and now the new versions don't
22:25<themill>12.1?
22:26<cogito>3.4.3-12.1 and 3.4.3-14
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22:26<themill>And the changelog explains why
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22:28<cogito>ok, at version 13 they droped QT but it doesn't say why
22:28<cogito>abrotman: I used ROInstall_32 1.2GB that i downloaded from the web site
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22:29<abrotman>neat
22:29<themill>cogito: it does say why.
22:30<cogito>abrotman: Now i don't see anything related to regnum in Synaptic
22:30<cogito>themill: All i saw was a number
22:30<themill>cogito: so perhaps you want to find out what that means?
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22:32<cogito>themill: sure, where?
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22:32<themill>cogito: it's a debian bug. You'd start at bugs.debian.org (or bugs.debian.org/nnnnnnn)
22:35<cogito>themill: ok, qt3 got droped in favor of qt4 with no continued support for qt3, that sucks
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22:36<themill>cogito: software doesn't write itself.
22:37<cogito>themill: I know, what i mean it that it sucks old qt3 software won't work just because qt4 is here
22:37<themill>cogito: that's not true. The problem was that you didn't volunteer to look after Qt3.
22:38<cogito>themill: I wouldn't know how
22:38<kevix>if you have old software that will run in an older environemt, a chroot might work
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22:39<kevix>free software has many options. one is to fix it yourself, the other is to pay someone to do ti.
22:40<cogito>kevix: I'm just looking for a good linux game and it seems the QT version of Nethack offers options the other versions don't, so i was dissapointed to not find it in the repositories for Wheezy
22:40<kevix>this does not mean that you would have the resources (time, money, ablity) to do it, just that you could with the 4 freedoms.
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22:41<kevix>cogito: as I said, a chroot can do many things like help you run older software (or use a VM)
22:41<cogito>anyways, what about Regnum? Did i make a mistake in installing it? Can it be uninstalled?
22:41<kevix>but then you have to learn to make a chroot or some other thing.
22:42*kevix doesnt know what regnum is.
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22:44<nebulus>hi
22:44<ooki2day>hi
22:45<nebulus>my rtl8192se is working only at 54mbps (G) if I try to set on N its working for a litthe and after it sto, I alredy set swenc=1, it helps the G but not the N
22:46<cogito>Regnum is a free MMORPG that works on Win/Linux/Mac and that i installed to try, but i don't like the game play so i would like to remove it from my computer, but the only way to remove that i know is trough Synaptic and Regnum, that i installed with the web site's installer, doesn't show in synaptic
22:46<nebulus>anybody ahve this wireless card on their laptops?
22:46<nebulus>@cogito usually self installer installed themself on the /opt folder
22:47<nebulus>some have the nameofprogram_uninsatll.sh
22:47<cogito>nothing at all in /opt
22:47<nebulus>what about /usr/loacal/bin
22:48<nebulus>?
22:49<cogito>The /usr/local/bin is empty too
22:49<nebulus>or /usr/local/games
22:49<cogito>empty
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22:52<nebulus>is a steam game?
22:52<cogito>nebulus: I found uninstall in /home/cogito/regnum should i execute it?
22:52<nebulus>give it a try
22:53<kevix>cogito: if you have a working 'locate', that can help or using find
22:53<cogito>kevix: I have catfish
22:54<nebulus>if not update the locate database with updatedb (from root) and search the file
22:54<kevix>wut?
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22:54<nebulus>where I can find information on rtl8192se on the new kernels? all the doc online is like for the 2.6.x kernels
22:54<cogito>catfish is a gui for Find/Locate/tracker/doodle/strigi
22:55<kevix>cogito: oh, ok.
22:55<kevix>I just use CLI tools, never really use other stuff :)
22:55<cogito>what are .desktop files?
22:55<kevix>but if it work, that's grea.
22:56<cogito>It's all i find of regnum after uninstall
22:56<nebulus>link simiral of shortcuts on the windows desktop
22:57<kevix>any 'dot' file is located in $HOME, so /home/$USER/$NAME.desktop
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23:00<nebulus>:("""""" look like nobody have this wirelss chipset
23:02<nebulus>if I want to replace the wireless card on my laptop...what you guys have /suggest?
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