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00:27<digitsm2>How can I share a folder between 2 debian PCs?
00:27<digitsm2>I have already shared that folder in SAMBA and I can see and edit its files in a Windows PC, but not in my Debian PC
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00:40<XReaper>digitsm2: probably need avahi
00:40<XReaper>or something
00:40<XReaper>don't remember the specific program to browse samba shares
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00:48<digitsm2>XReaper: But I can not enter the folder even after entering its complete address (e.g. "smb://remote-pc/folder_name")
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00:48<XReaper>probably missing some extentions for your file manager
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00:52<digitsm2>XReaper: I'm using Thunar
00:52<digitsm2>In XFCE
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00:54<digitsm2>XReaper: So Don't you think it's a problem with my sharing debian PC (Server)?
00:55<XReaper>probably missing some thunar plugins
00:55<XReaper>not sure which
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01:01<digitsm2>XReaper: It's not Thunar's problem. I can not see my shared folders even by using Nautilus
01:01<XReaper>I have no idea then :(
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01:14<nonconvergent{m}> Looking at the list of files in this package, but I don't see that bottom directory after installing it.
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01:17<nonconvergent{m}>I was looking at the wrong package.
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01:28<digitsm2>I'm getting mad. Anyone else can help me in my file sharing problem?
01:29<kevix>what are you trying to do?
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01:34<digitsm2>kevix: This is the scenario: I have an LMDE linux machine which is sharing 2 folders on SAMBA (I have configed its smb.conf before). I want to access those folders in my second PC which is running debian.
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01:34<digitsm2>I can view the sharing machine (the first machine) but I can't see the shared folders
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01:35<digitsm2>The strange thing is that I can view and access the shared folders from a Windows PC (on a 3rd machine)
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01:50<digitsm2>Should the package "smbfs" be installed for mounting? I searched through aptitude and found no package "smbfs" available
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01:53<digitsm2>themill: I found that (smbfs->cifs) but I don't know how to use it
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03:03<nocturnal>is there a software that can warn me when a debian security announcement mentions a package that is installed on my server?
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03:06<Pazzie>hi all
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03:07<Pazzie>i have a question, i have a second partition (created after the installation) and every time when i reboot, i first have to open the file manager, click on the second partition and fill in my password. Is there anyway to avoid this?
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03:11<Stummi>nocturnal, i think you could use apticron to let let inform you about updates from the security-repository
03:11<Stummi>not exactly what you want, tough
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03:12<wompa>Pazzie, yes, by listing it in the /etc/fstab file.
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03:20<themill>nocturnal: tools like update-notifier or cron-apt can do that for you
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03:42<musca>hello, hello gabre
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03:43<gabre>musca, i have some problem with grub
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03:44<gabre>i installed linux mint, and then reoaired my uefi grub using a live session and boot-repair, then i installed debian and did this again
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03:44<gabre>everything went fine until i relized that debian is better, and deleted mint, and try to repair boot using linux mint live and boot-repair package
03:45<gabre>after this i got a grub which said file not found!
03:45<musca>no wonder if grub had its files in your mint install.
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03:47<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
03:47<gabre>ok but musca
03:48<gabre>i configured boot-repair to place grub on my debian partition (sda7 exactly)
03:48<musca>ah, good.
03:48<gabre>(but to be honest i ran it from linux mint live which is an ubuntu based system, and boot-repair does some apt-get, i dont know if that works - installing something from an ubuntu based to a debian)
03:50<musca>hmm. We should check that later.
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03:52<gabre>then first?
03:52<musca>Do you understand ^ that "fixmbr"-procedure from above?
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03:52<gabre>u mean that dpkg
03:53<musca>yes, to chroot into your system?
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03:53<babilen>gabre: You shouldn't install grub to a partition, but to the MBR of the disk. (that is you'll end up running something like "grub-install /dev/sda" in the procedure above)
03:53<gabre>oh i but first i save my work cause i m on debian
03:54<gabre>babilen i dont know what boot-repair exactly does, it installs grub efi i think
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03:57<musca>gabre: How did you boot your debian? i understood your grub complains about "file not found"?
03:58<gabre>musca i installed mint again (now not linux mint debian edition but mint) and used boot-repair from another live session
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04:00<musca>gabre: ok. you can boot. So now step 2: check situation.
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04:01<musca>i think you should have grub-pc installed on your debian system.
04:01<musca>dpkg -l | grep grub-pc
04:01<dpkg>ii | grep grub-pc 2.2-2.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
04:02<musca>gabre: try that command to see the state.
04:04<gabre>dpkg -l .. gives empty output
04:04<dpkg>No packages found matching .. gives empty output
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04:05<musca>so you dont have grub-pc.
04:05<gabre>do i need that for uefi boot?
04:05<musca>Im not sure how to reinstall grub on an UEFI system.
04:06<gabre>that s why i always use boot-repair, but in debian case it doesnt really work
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04:07<gabre>but in debian case it has this file not found error, i dont know what file, maybe grub.cfg?
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04:08<gnugr>gabre:is this a fresh install?
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04:09<gabre>gnugr yes
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04:09<gabre>fresh debian stable, and repos set to testing
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04:10<gnugr>gabre:when the installer asked you to install grub-pc what did you chose?
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04:12<gabre>gnugr when it asked me i was sure that i can handle the situation with boot-repair so i asked no, but that grub - i think - that would be installed is not the grub for UEFI
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04:14<gnugr>gabre:the installer asked you where to install grub-pc and you have to be specific i.e. /dev/sda, /dev/sdb
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04:15<gabre>gnugr yes but what about efi?
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04:17<gnugr>gabre:do you have a tool like "rEFIt" in your system (other OS)?
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04:17<gabre>u mean windows? no
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04:20<gnugr>gabre:if its dual boot with other OS try to get that tool (rEFIt) and then with live cd chroot to install grub-pc again
04:20<gabre>gnugr isnt that refit a windows tool?
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04:21<gnugr>not sure if it is for windows as it is for macos
04:22<gnugr>what is you other OS anyway?
04:24<gabre>i really want grub as my bootloader and debian as my primary os
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04:26<babilen>gabre: gabre Did you chroot into your system and did you perform the "fixmbr" procedure already? Could you paste the output of those commands to ?
04:27<gabre>babilen do u think it helps? i have UEFI (no mbr)
04:27<babilen>gabre: And the wheezy installer would have installed grub-efi if you booted in EFI mode (cf. "dpkg -l grub-efi"), which does, however, not alter the commands needed to install it to disk.
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04:28<babilen>gabre: Yes, that is why it was suggested to you. I am waiting for the results, but you don't seem to agree. MBR is, well, kind of a legacy name and the factoid is simply "reinstall grub" or "reconfigure and install grub"
04:28<gabre>ok then i create some live disc ok?
04:29<babilen>You can boot the Debian installer and chroot from there (as indicated in the factoid)
04:29<babilen>A live CD would, naturally, work too.
04:29<gabre>sorry what is factoid?
04:29<babilen>dpkg: factoid
04:29<dpkg>A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
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04:30<babilen>And I am referring to the <fixmbr> factoid dpkg (our bot) told you about earlier.
04:30<gabre>oh i see
04:30<gabre>then i create some live, is mint live also good?
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04:31<babilen>gabre: You can use Debian live, GRML or mint or the Debian installer. Use whatever you feel comfortable with.
04:32<babilen>gabre: (if you can't find the factoid, musca told you about an hour ago, but you can see it again with "/msg dpkg fixmbr" - It is all that is needed and should get your grub working, so lets do it (finally! why wait any longer?)
04:33<gabre>ok just 1 question
04:33<gabre>isnt that a problem that mint is ubuntu based?
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04:35<babilen>gabre: Whether that's a problem or not is neither relevant for your problem at hand nor on-topic in this channel.
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04:37<gabre>ok babilen,
04:38<gabre>then i try it
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04:44<gabre>babilen hello again from live session
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04:51<gabre>babilen r u there?
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04:53<babilen>gabre: Please try to write complete words and sentences as this is neither twatter nor your mobile phone. And yes, I am here as I haven't left. Did you finish the procedure and could you paste the output of the commands?
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04:55<gabre>babilen I have chrooted and the method described by the dpkg bot says that i have to reinstall grub to /dev/whatever, in my case is this sda (hdd) or sda8 (Debian partition)?
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04:56<babilen>As noted earlier you want to install to the disk and not to the partition - that is the command is "grub-install /dev/sda"
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04:58<gabre>when chrooted it say cannot find a device for /
04:58<gabre>when I ls /dev there is no sda
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05:00<babilen>gabre: Even though you bind mounted dev into the chroot? Are you sure that you followed the instructions? Could you paste your *exact* commands used to chroot and moung /dev and /proc into the chroot + your commands in the chroot and their output to ?
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05:02<gabre>yes, i just did the following: mounted filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/sda8 /mnt/t); then I chrooted: chroot /mnt/t
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05:02<babilen>dpkg: fixmbr
05:02<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
05:02<gabre>and now I tried to run that update-grub && grub-install ... line
05:03<gabre>and yes, I have read dpkg-s message, and I think it says this, but gives several examples e. g. for mount
05:03<babilen>gabre: Pleae read the factoid again and follow its steps. It is important that you do. In particular note that instructions about /dev and /proc as you seem to have forgotten those.
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05:05<babilen>gabre: No, the commands in the factoid are not mutually exclusive examples, but instructions on how to setup a chroot in which you have access to /dev and /proc -- The factoid naturally uses examples, but you should be able to use those commands with only minimal changes (e.g. replace "whatever")
05:05<gabre>now i see, sorry
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05:07<gabre>ok and LOL now it is filling up grub.cfg
05:07<gabre>install finished, no errors reported
05:08<gabre>it found my linuxes, two, one of them debian with its two kernels, and win 8, now may i restart my system, and see if it works?
05:09<gabre>ok i will gice it a try, thank you, i hope it will work fine
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05:13<gabre>it uses the grub installed by boot-repair after installing linux mint, i know this because it uses the grub cfg of the linux mint partition
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05:14<gabre>I dont really know how this UEFI thing works, but it is not so easy
05:15<babilen>gabre: Are you booted into Debian now?
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05:15<gabre>yes I am, bot I cant delete (format) my linux mint partition, because it is needed for booting
05:16<babilen>gabre: Show me the output of "dpkg -l "grub-efi*"" and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda" on please
05:17<gabre>okay, this output will be from my debian system
05:17<babilen>I would hope so
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05:19<powermaniac>Hi, how do you open any file manager as root? So the GUI program is running it in root instead of displaying it in the terminal.
05:19<gabre>parancs nem talalhato = command not found
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05:21<sosa>hello, is anyone here?
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05:21<babilen>gabre: The command is "update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda" and *both* have to be run as root. That means that you either have to prefix both with "sudo" or that you can to run it as a single command (sudo -c "...") -- Please run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" now and show me the result of that.
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05:22<sosa>linux is useless
05:22<babilen>gabre: Also: The earlier command was "dpkg -l "grub-efi*"" and not "dpkg -l grub-efi"
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05:22<sosa>it's only for IT nerds
05:22<babilen>sosa: Please play elsewhere, thank you.
05:22<sosa>enjoying your lack of compatibility with most programs, linuxfags?
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05:24<gabre>babilen, now totally different :)
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05:25<babilen>gabre: Great! I hope that this shows you how important it is to follow instructions directly and not to improvise half of it.
05:25<gabre>i hope this is correct
05:25<gabre>yes it is important
05:26<babilen>That looks about right and is the output I would have expected the entire time. (in the chroot and after booting into Debian)
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05:27<gabre>so this means that we can expect now my grub to use the grub.cfg found on my debian partition?
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05:30<gabre>now i ll try it, i ll reboot now
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05:33<gabre>babilen, you are a genious
05:33<gabre>now, debian's grub is used,
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05:34<powermaniac>Could someone in here please supply me with the default sources.list for Debian 7.0?
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05:35<babilen>dpkg: tell powermaniac about wheezy sources.list
05:35<powermaniac>Thank you!
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05:36<babilen>powermaniac: You end up with something like (which also contains wheezy-backports, remove it if you don't want it.)
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05:37<powermaniac>babilne: Are the backports needed?
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05:41<powermaniac>Okay maybe you can help me with this then. Can you install Cinnamon (DE) on Debian Wheezy if so how? As I've found some guides on the net but none of them seem to work...
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05:43<babilen>judd: v cinnamon
05:43<judd>Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.1+b1
05:43<babilen>judd: checkbackport cinnamon
05:43<judd>Backporting package cinnamon in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmuffin-dev (>= 1.7.1).
05:44<babilen>judd: checkbackport libmuffin-dev
05:44<judd>Backporting package libmuffin-dev in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
05:44<babilen>powermaniac: It might be possible -- As you can see above cinnamon is not available in wheezy but only in sid (unstable), but it should be possible to backport cinnamon yourself by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb"
05:45<powermaniac>Okay thanks
05:45<Khades>what is checkpackport
05:45<babilen>powermaniac: As one of cinnamons build-depenencies cannot be satisfied in wheezy (or wheezy-backports) you have to backport and install that (i.e. libmuffin-dev) first before you can tackle cinnamon. This means, however, that you are responsible for keeping the package up-to-date.
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05:47<powermaniac>Okay.Hmm maybe I shall just try MATE instead although it does look a lot like XFCE. But I might be able to modify it.
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05:50<zaeyty>can i ask
05:50<babilen>powermaniac: I wouldn't recommend to use their (i.e. MATE) repositories and you'll find that mate has not yet been packaged by us (work if underway, but due to the nature of the project it is hard to get it right without crappy code-duplication) -- An alternative approach would be to track testing/jessie and pull cinnamon from sid/unstable. This setup is called "tum" (testing unstable mix) and detailed in "/msg dpkg tum" -- I would like to warn ...
05:50<babilen>... you though as running testing means a number of other problems.
05:51<babilen>powermaniac: See for some information
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05:53<powermaniac>Want something stable, but also secure. As well as resembling Windows more for the fact I find it easy to use...
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05:54<powermaniac>As Gnome I find to be rather silly. Xfce I'm not a fan of the style. And KDE was confusing for the short amount of time I used it, also sort of broke the desktop with it xD.
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05:55<babilen>powermaniac: You can use various desktop environments on wheezy (xfce, kde, lxde, gnome) and a huge number of window managers. If you want cinnamon or mate you might want to use a distibution that has a release with them (if those releases are up to Debian standards is another discussion) -- I simply wanted to show you your options. I still don't think that backporting cinnamon is a bad option though.
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05:55<babilen>up to you :)
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05:56<musca>zaeyty: just ask :)
05:58<zaeyty>where can i fiend Linux best softwares cos i have been googling
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05:58<devil_>zaeyty: for doing what?
05:58<powermaniac>I am willing to swap over to another distribution as long as they have a good privacy/security standard. Like for example I use Debian as everything is essentially open source and it tells you what you might install is not. Thus anyone can review the code and it is more likely to not be reporting the users actions back to say the NSA...
05:59<musca>zaeyty: most distributions have repositories with additional programms. just use your package manager to search
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06:00<musca>zaeyty: e.g. apt-cache search <insert some serach term here>
06:00<babilen>powermaniac: I can't think of a distribution that ships mate or cinnamon in one of its released versions and meets those standards. If I were you I would either: 1. Track stable and backport cinnamon yourself or 2. Track testing and pull cinnamon from unstable or (best option IMHO) 3. Forget about those fancy but unneeded desktop environments and use a nice window manager such as awesome, fluxbox or openbox ;)
06:03<powermaniac>babilen: Do any of those window managers resemble Cinnamon. Or well Windows 7? As well then I have slightly more of an idea what I'm doing
06:03<musca>zaeyty: what kind of program do you search for?
06:04<babilen>powermaniac: cinnamon emulates gnome 2 and there is AFAIK no window manager to do that. you could try the fallback mode of gnome 3, but that is not an option that I would recommend as it will be removed soon(ish) -- Just pick the environment you like best and run it. You know your options ;)
06:04<zaeyty>wireshark, NMAP and morre but wen i google it only shows windows only
06:05<babilen>dpkg: tell zaeyty -about search
06:05<musca>zaeyty: which linux distribution do you use?
06:05<powermaniac>MATE supposedly supports Debian atleast...
06:05<powermaniac>According to there website and install page
06:06<babilen>zaeyty: I would recommend to read and you fill find that all those tools are available in Debian already.
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06:06<zaeyty>ubuntu cylon
06:06<babilen>powermaniac: We neither recommend nor support their repositories -- you end up without support in #debian* if you use that.
06:07<powermaniac>I might try KDE again instead
06:08<babilen>powermaniac: I also don't think that MATE is a mature oss project with a maintainable codebase. (it'll take a while to convince me of that and more than renaming a number of long deprecated Gnome libraries to MATE-*)
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06:08<powermaniac>Wait which raises the question as last time I screwed things up thoroughly. Should I do a fresh install with KDE or just install it over Gnome. If over Gnome is there a simple method in doing so?
06:08<musca>zaeyty: when it comes to details ubuntu is different from debian, they are not the same. Please ask in their channel.
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06:09<powermaniac>Oh and thank you, really been helpful so far.
06:09<babilen>dpkg: tell powermaniac -about install kde
06:10<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc zaeyty
06:10<dpkg>zaeyty: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
06:11<powermaniac>So that reads to me the best way to do so is a fresh install essentially.
06:11<powermaniac>Which is fine
06:12<powermaniac>Need a DVD-texta/pen to write on all these DVDs what distro and DE they are.
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06:12<babilen>powermaniac: You can install Gnome and KDE side-by-side without problems. There is no need to reinstall your system at all (unless there are *other* reasons to do so)
06:13<powermaniac>Ohh. I read that last line and was like I need to install from the boot menu?!? Why not just do a reinstall then...As my system is fresh anyway.
06:14<powermaniac>But that first line tells you that you can install KDE-full to well install KDE-full xD.
06:14<babilen>powermaniac: You *can* install KDE during the initial system installation but you do not have to. The factoid simply explains how to do both.
06:14<powermaniac>Can I afterwards do a remove gnome-full?
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06:14<babilen>You can remove gnome and the programs that come with it at any time, yes.
06:15<babilen>(even now)
06:15<powermaniac>Well I shall wait as I've just opened a terminal and done a apt-get install KDE-full
06:15<powermaniac>And that is downloading and working away
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06:16<kevix>unix is a layered system: kernel|terminals|X|DE|WM
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06:17<kevix>you can remove kwin and use metacity
06:17<kevix>or vise-versa
06:18<kevix>you can use ldm or something else
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06:21<powermaniac>One last question. Will apt-get remove gnome-full, fully remove gnome? After I've installed KDE of course.
06:22<ixi>it most probably will not
06:22<ixi>dependencies are a funny thing
06:22<ixi>check with dpkg -l | grep gnome afterwards
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06:53<shirty>how can i find out what the file format of a device is?
06:53<shirty>like my usb stick
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06:57<musca>shirty: with blkid i get this output: /dev/sdb1: LABEL="PLATINUM16" UUID="0080-XXXX" TYPE="vfat"
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06:59<shirty>musca, interesting I have the man pages for blkid but its not installed by default
06:59<beojan>I've just written a debian iso image to a USB flash drive as stated in the installation manual.
06:59<beojan>However, when I try to partition the left over space, parted states that both the primary and backup tables are corrupt
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06:59<shirty>musca: did you have to install it?
07:00<musca>shirty: /sbin/blkid
07:00<shirty>musca: ah yes... thx
07:01<velin>does anybody use windows?
07:01<beojan>velin: very, very rarely
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07:01<shirty>I think I need a good book with a general perspective of the linux system
07:01<shirty>anyone have some suggestions
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07:02<Sammy123>hey there, anyone familiar with unison?
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07:02<musca>shirty: apt-get install debian-handbook
07:02<beojan>velin: When I receive documents in MS Office format, or other wise need a windows only application.
07:02<velin>there is libreoffice
07:03<velin>it reeds it
07:03<velin>win doc files
07:03<beojan>Not all Microsoft Word documents
07:03<beojan>And certainly not publisher files
07:03<Calinou>office haters gonna hate
07:03<Calinou>erm, libreoffice*
07:04<shirty>wish microsoft would understand the usefullness of standard formats
07:04<beojan>Also, I use Calligra on KDE, and would rather reboot to windows than install libreoffice
07:04<Calinou>shirty: if they did, office wouldn't sell as well.
07:04<shirty>and specs
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07:04<Calinou>people wanting the easy solution buy office, FOSS advocates suffer from it
07:04<shirty>Calinou: probably wouldn't sell at all
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07:05<velin>is there a free microsoft windows stable release?
07:05<shirty>velin: HAHAHA
07:05<beojan>velin: NO. Of course not
07:05<velin>that's a big mistake
07:05<beojan>well... There's react os, but it's in alpha
07:05<shirty>velin: wait that wasn't a joke?
07:05<Calinou>you can use a windows ISO for 1 month, iirc
07:05<Calinou>hmm, nevermind
07:05<Calinou>you still need an activation key
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07:06<beojan>Calinou: I think the trial versions are 6 months
07:06<Calinou>you could use a windows 8.1 iso
07:06<Calinou>it's temporary, though
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07:06<velin>8.1 is unstable
07:06<Calinou>your mileage may vary, yes
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07:06<velin>I read that on the www
07:06<beojan>velin: no its not
07:07<Calinou>test it by yourself
07:07<Calinou>don't believe random claims
07:07<Calinou>else i wouldn't use FOSS
07:07<beojan>velin: I believe it was released yesterday
07:07<Calinou>the RTM was released yesterday but you can still use an ISO
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07:07<beojan>velin: Why exactly are you looking for a free Windows release
07:08<velin>because this is a big mistake of Microsoft
07:09<velin>the most popular OS in the world
07:09<velin>it should be free
07:09<velin>no key
07:09<beojan>*was* the most popular OS
07:09<shirty>....???.... you make strange claims
07:09<beojan>I can't see windows 8 being popular
07:09<Calinou>it still is, but choosing windows today is the easy solution
07:09<Calinou>windows 8 is better than windows 7.
07:09<Maulkin>Can we keep this back on topic now please?
07:09<Calinou>it's lighter, has a better task manager. you--
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07:10<beojan>Also, how would microsoft make any money?
07:10<Calinou>fortunately, it isn't free
07:10<velin>ask Bill Gates
07:10<Calinou>it incitates people to use alternate OSes :)
07:10<velin>he will tell you haw
07:10<beojan>Back on topic, has anyone here installed debian using the hybrid ISO on a USB
07:10<Maulkin>Ok, stop it now.
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07:11<beojan>I need to use the firmware tarball, but to do this, I need to partition the left over space on the USB flash drive
07:11<Maulkin>beojan: I'm sure someone's tried. What actual problem are you having?
07:11<shirty>if it was free, it would probably be collecting all sorts of info on you and selling it.
07:11<beojan>I've cp'd the iso to the drive, and tested it, and it works.
07:12<shirty>free as in "free beer"
07:12<Maulkin>shirty: Take that elsewhere please.
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07:12<beojan>However, when I try to partition the free space, parted states that "Both the primary and backup GPT tables are corrupt. Try making a fresh table, and using Parted's rescue feature to recover partitions."
07:12<shirty>Maulkin: sorry
07:12<Calinou>beojan: you could use the ISO with firmware
07:12<beojan>I'm using the testing debian-installer iso
07:13<Calinou>there is one with firmware
07:13<velin>debian 7 1 0 LXDE
07:13<velin>32 bit
07:13<beojan>Calinou: do you have a link.
07:13<velin>648 MB
07:13<beojan>I could only find images for Stable with firmware
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07:14<Calinou>velin: i386...
07:15<Calinou>also these don't have firmware
07:15<babilen>beojan: The testing installer shouldn't be used at this point at the release cycle and nobody expects it to work properly. I would reocmmend to use the stable installer to install stable and take it from there (you can also use the stable installer to install testing, but that is also not that recommended)
07:15<Calinou>to be exact:
07:15<Calinou>why shouldn't it?
07:15<musca>beojan: you cant use the free space if you did copy a hybrid image onto the device
07:15<Calinou>is testing that unstable now?
07:16<velin>somebody using bsd?
07:17<velin>i think it's not linux
07:17<musca>dpkg: ig beojan
07:17<beojan>velin: no, bsd is not linux
07:17<dpkg>musca: i don't know
07:17<beojan>I'm here
07:17<musca>see chapter 4.3.3. of the installation guide
07:17<velin>Bill Gates uses bsd windows interface :)))
07:17<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at . See also <errata>, <release notes>.
07:18<beojan>Simply writing the CD or DVD image to USB like this should work fine for most users. The other options below are more complex, mainly for people with specialised needs.
07:18<beojan>The hybrid image on the stick does not occupy all the storage space, so it may be worth considering using the free space to hold firmware files or packages or any other files of your choice. This could be useful if you have only one stick or just want to keep everything you need on one device.
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07:18<beojan>That was from the installation guide
07:18<musca>see chapter 4.3.3. of the installation guide
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07:19<beojan>musca: Does that work for UEFI systems
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07:20<velin>dpkg is a very helpful command
07:20<dpkg>velin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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07:20<beojan>velin: aptitude is even more helpful
07:21<velin>on a fresh installes copy of debian lxde 7.1.0
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07:21<velin>i could not connect my 3g usb stick to the net
07:22<velin>so I had to install a few debs
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07:22<velin>to activate the 3g
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07:23<velin>this should be very important about all linux distros
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07:23<Calinou>few people use 3G on their PCs
07:24<velin>especially for people like me - having only 3g connection
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07:24<Calinou>meanwhile, people whine about "bloat"
07:24<velin>I'm one of them
07:24<beojan>velin: use a phone, with tethering
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07:24<velin>yes it works
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07:24<velin>through phone
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07:25<beojan>then, you don't need a 3G USB adaptor
07:25<velin>but did not check that on a fresh installed debian
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07:26<beojan>so long as WiFi works, I don't see how connecting to the network created by the phone should be a problem
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07:26<velin>I do not have wifi
07:26<Calinou>most wifi adapters don't work by default on debian
07:26<Calinou>lack of firmware
07:26<beojan>Calinou: I know
07:27<Calinou>worse, ethernet sometimes does not work
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07:28<velin>I just put the sim card into a phone , the phone is connected via usb cable with the computer and it works
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07:28<velin>the usb connection can not be avoided
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07:29<beojan>velin: On Android, you can set the phone to tether by acting as a WiFI access point
07:29<beojan>at least on the Galaxy Note
07:30<velin>android is OS for mobile hardware only?
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07:30<beojan>velin: ish
07:30<Calinou>you can theorically use it on any PC
07:30<Calinou>but it isn't made for that
07:31<velin>so where can I get anroid iso for pc
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07:32<beojan>velin: theoretically
07:32<velin>is it free
07:32<beojan>i.e. not easily
07:32<beojan>I don't think android drivers exist for most PC hardware
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07:32<beojan>Android is open source, so yes, its source code is free
07:33<velin>where to get iso than
07:33<beojan>I don't think you can just download an ISO
07:33<Calinou>it is free
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07:33<babilen>You might want to take this conversation to #debian-offtopic of ##android
07:33<Calinou>but you can't gather drivers
07:33<babilen>(latter on freenode)
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07:35<velin>so when its free software why there isn't an iso like linux distributions
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07:41<Azrael_->i'm facing a spam-problem on a debian/apache/php system with multiple vhosts. it seems like one website is sending spam using php and i need to track down which one. any idea how i could accomplish this?
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07:44<amrowaazzam>you are ady
07:45<amrowaazzam>you are lady
07:45<amrowaazzam>i want lady
07:45<velin>so do I
07:46<velin>come on ladies
07:46<velin>we are waiting
07:46<amrowaazzam>you are lady
07:47<velin>what OS are you using?
07:47<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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07:48<bluewater>dpkg ops amrowaazzam is looking for sex
07:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bluewater complains about: amrowaazzam is looking for sex
07:48<amrowaazzam>old dog
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07:49<velin>old and wise
07:50<velin>sex is on the topic
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07:50<bluewater>velin: i think it may be wise to gracefully depart
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07:51<devil_>not very graceful ;)
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08:16<grandfatha>I am on wheezy and need to downgrade mysql to 5.1 which fails, can anyone assist me? I pinned the mysql package release to oldstable, but when I try to install the 5.1 mysql server package, it fails with the error message "mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.1" but is not supposed to be installed
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08:31<clientx_>Hi, could somebody test my own debian repository? I created this via reprepro and I would to know it is totally safe
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08:36<tmssgrdn>I want to install just one package (firmware driver) from the non-free repositoy, but I would like to not have it enabled; or I want to not see the non-free packages in my searches and so on. How can I do this?
08:36<babilen>Download and install it manually, remove non-free after installing it, closing your eyes, ...
08:37<tmssgrdn>so I'll need to manually upgrade it and so on?
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08:39<babilen>tmssgrdn: Yes; you cannot have non-free without having it. I agree that some differentiation between "firmware/microcode" and "proprietary software" might be helpul, but this distinction is not made at this point.
08:39<babilen>dpkg: microcode
08:39<dpkg>Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>.
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08:40<babilen>tmssgrdn: Make sure to install ^^^ too if you value a working computer.
08:40<tmssgrdn>babilen: aha, Thanks.
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08:53<perlgeek>hi. Is there some kind of graphical program that lets me select the window manager to use during next login, and which I can run while I'm already logged in?
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08:54<perlgeek>(background is that we need to replace the display manager with some remote login thingy that doesn't let me chose the window manager)
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08:57<Maulkin>perlgeek: ~/.dmrc
08:57<Maulkin>perlgeek: Add something like:
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08:58<perlgeek>Maulkin: and the Session name is the executable of the window manager?
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09:00<Maulkin>perlgeek: Not sure... give it a go?
09:01<Maulkin> may help
09:01<perlgeek>Maulkin: thanks again
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09:02<Maulkin> possibly too
09:02<Maulkin>perlgeek: ^^
09:03<Maulkin>perlgeek: Try google I'd suggest :)
09:04<perlgeek>Maulkin: now that I have something to google for (dmrc) I can do that :-)
09:04<Maulkin>perlgeek: Or "gdm default session"
09:05<perlgeek>Maulkin: I guess the main problem was that I searched for "window manager" instead of "session"
09:06<perlgeek>Maulkin: and found pages after pages of stuff discussing gnome's window manager
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09:06<Maulkin>Well, hope that helps
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09:36<DLange>hey folks. upgrade on sid just removed the (running) kernel.
09:36<DLange>trying to re-install it with apt-get install linux-image-3.10-2-amd64 gets me:
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09:37<DLange>linux-image-3.10-2-amd64 : Depends: linux-base (>= 3~) but it is not going to be installed // : Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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09:37<DLange>any ideas? Or just apt-get update until it fixes itself?
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09:39<ixi>DLange do you have something like systemd ?
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09:40<DLange>ixi: nope
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09:40<ixi>DLange so you removed the running kernel, without any replacement installed ?
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09:51<ixi>DLange please pastebin output of apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64
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09:54<themill>DLange: the output of "aptitude install linux-image-amd64" would be interesting to see
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09:57<DLange>/var/log/apt/history.log // aptitude install linux-image-amd
09:59<themill>I assume this is the start of the perl rain.
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10:03<DLange>any forecast to when the perl rain will result in an installable / upgradable system again?
10:03<ixi>give it 24 hours
10:03<themill>perl transitions normally take a few days
10:03<ixi>and try again
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10:06<grove>I have installed chef from the same debian package (because somebody has decided that we should to use a newer version that the one in wheezy/jessie) on two hosts, on one it has made an init-script, or the other it hasn't ( How can that happen?
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10:08<Alam_Squeeze>grove: couild you extract the files out of that deb to see if it really does have that init.d script or it is just an old 'config' file leftover
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10:11<DLange>ixi, themill: thanks for the info, I hope the box does not have a power outage tonight :-)
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10:19<oktayoktay>yardım edecek varmı
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10:24<Silk>I need help fo my ubuntu
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10:29<nocturnal>then why are you in #debian? you should ask the question but it's best effort if anyone can help you since ubuntu is only based on debian.
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10:34<abrotman>nocturnal: already gone, but nice rant ..
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10:36<JacksonIsaac-mobile>hey everyone can anyone help me on this please
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10:39<nocturnal>failed to write (No space left on device)
10:39<nocturnal>if df -h doesn't show that you're out of space, then try df -i
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10:40<digitsm2>I want to share a folder between 2 linux machines (by using SAMBA). Can someone help me?
10:42<ixi>why samba ?
10:43<digitsm2>ixi: I only know samba
10:43<digitsm2>Plus I can access it through win too
10:43<digitsm2>ixi: Do you know other way?
10:44<JacksonIsaac-mobile>My root folder is full what should I do now ? what can I clear ?
10:44<calisto>digitsm2, sftp if the connection not permanent
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10:45<calisto>JacksonIsaac-mobile: the porn?
10:45<calisto>JacksonIsaac-mobile: rm -r /tmp
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10:46<themill>no, don't do that.
10:46<digitsm2>calisto: What I currently want to do is to copy some folders from a remote ext4 to my /home here
10:46<JacksonIsaac-mobile>calisto: haha I dont have any I use the university system
10:46<JacksonIsaac-mobile>themill: then what should I do ?
10:46<digitsm2>calisto: But I prefer a permanent connection though
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10:46<themill>JacksonIsaac-mobile: any kernels you don't need? Any log files you can ditch? apt-get autoclean?
10:47<JacksonIsaac-mobile>okay thanks :)
10:47<digitsm2>JacksonIsaac-mobile: You can expand your root file system too, if you have free space on your other partitions
10:47<JacksonIsaac-mobile>yes I have btw I am running it on vbox
10:47<ixi>digitsm2 well if there is windows in equation, you need samba
10:47<ixi>but that wasn't part of your original requirements .....
10:48<digitsm2>ixi: If no windows then what?
10:48<ixi>digitsm2 sshfs is zero-install and good enough for small amounts of data
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10:48<ixi>and NFS needs some configuring, but will perform better than samba. may be worth for high amounts of data
10:48<digitsm2>ixi: It's not small. I want to copy more than 5GBs
10:49<ixi>5gb is... tiny
10:49<JacksonIsaac-mobile>digitsm2: can you help how can I expand the root partition
10:49<calisto>digitsm2 if you need a permanent conection, maybe need server, and in this server use samba to share folders over the net
10:50<digitsm2>JacksonIsaac-mobile: If you are using Virtual Box, you can easily expand your root partition. You must turn the VM off and change the settings of your VM
10:51<JacksonIsaac-mobile>yes I have 40 GB spare
10:51<digitsm2>calisto: I have set samba on my remote machine, but I can't see the shared folders here
10:51<JacksonIsaac-mobile>but the root folder shows only 380 MB
10:51<calisto>digitsm2: but if only need to copy files use scp if you have a ssh installed ever the machines or in gnome ssh://<ip> or in kde sftp://<ip>
10:51<calisto>to open the other folder
10:52<digitsm2>calisto: I have not used ssh before.
10:53<calisto>JacksonIsaac-mobile: using du -sch / and du -sch <folder> you search folder when you have using more space
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10:55<calisto>digitsm2: apt-get install openssh-server
10:56<calisto>JacksonIsaac-mobile: in /tmp are files you delete and /var/log you have old logs, you dont need
10:56<calisto>digitsm2 read he documentation sended by ixi
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10:58<digitsm2>calisto: That document is about sshfs not ssh. I'm curious to learn about pure ssh too
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10:58<musca>JacksonIsaac-mobile: you can check filesystems with: df -h
10:58<digitsm2>calisto: Consider I only have access to ssh. How could I copy files from remote server?
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10:59<calisto>digitsm2: ssh implement a sftp service and sshfs is one simple choise to mount a externel fs using ssh protocol
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11:01<digitsm2>calisto: So when someone says he has maid a SSH connection to a remote server, he means has access to a remote console. Right? If he want to copy files from remote server he actually have to make a sftp connection. Right?
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11:02<calisto>JacksonIsaac-mobile: to expand your VM disk need to search about this over the internet depending of your vm technologie and your fsformat into a VM perhaps the simple metod its create another virtual disk and mount this into root fs
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11:03<JacksonIsaac-mobile>It's lvm
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11:04<digitsm2>calisto: Thank you for introducing sshfs. I think I can solve my issue (copying files) with sshfs now, but for long term sharing I need smba too. Could you please help me to diagnose my samba sharing problem?
11:04<calisto>digitsm2: yes, to use sftp protocol: 1) read the documentation of ixi 2) man scp
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11:07<calisto>JacksonIsaac-mobile: lvm not a FSFormat, in your vm you have lvm? if this ok you need reed who expand your disk in your virtual machine technologie, expand your lvm and realocation the inodes of your fs, if the fs provide this mechanism
11:07<calisto>digitsm2 instal samba server in your computer and configure the smb.conf
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11:09<calisto>if your dont have idea to configure this, maybe, download and install webmin ( and prove a lot of configurations via web admin
11:10<digitsm>calisto: Here is the smb.conf of my remote computer:
11:11*digitsm is user of remote computer sharing files, digitsm2 is user of computer who wants shared files
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11:12<calisto>digitsm what your problem?
11:12<digitsm>calisto: Just look at the end of my smb.conf file. I have 2 folders shared ([eclipse-php] and [B.Sc. Thesis]). But I can't see them in digitsm2's computer
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11:13<calisto>digitsm you see this folders over another comuter over your net?
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11:13<digitsm>calisto: But I can see those 2 folders in a Windows 7 computer
11:13<digitsm>calisto: Yes I can. In a Windows system
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11:14<calisto>and you access this folders over the Win(caca) 7
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11:15<digitsm>calisto: I can access the folder [B.Sc. Thesis] in win7 (as I set in smb.conf)
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11:16<calisto>digitsm in the linux system what Windows Manager you use?
11:16<digitsm>calisto: I mean I can read/write to it. The other folder ([eclipse-php]) is readonly. But I can read from it too (in a Win7 machine)
11:17<digitsm2>calisto: I use Thunar (XFCE) in my both machines
11:17<digitsm2>calisto: But I have the same problem here even with Nautilus
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11:18<calisto>I dont have experience on XFCE, in gnome or kde you open the file manager and put smb://<ip_of_samba_server>
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11:18<calisto>and appear the files shared
11:19<calisto>in your console write smbclient -L <ip_samba_server>
11:19<digitsm2>calisto: Thanks
11:19<digitsm2>It worked
11:20<calisto>ok great
11:20<digitsm2>I mean using ip_adress of the smb_server instead of its network_name
11:21<calisto>if you configure correctly a name server bind9 for example, you can use the name of the server
11:21<digitsm2>calisto: The strange thing is that "smb://momken-d830" (network_name) doesn't work, but "smb://" works. Very strange
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11:21<calisto>where you from digitsm2
11:22<digitsm2>calisto: What do you mean? Country? City? Which computer?
11:23<calisto>Country and city
11:23<digitsm2>calisto: I'm from Iran, Tehran. You can learn more about me at
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11:24<calisto>great, Im from uruguay
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11:25<calisto>its good know were are the people when help he
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11:26<digitsm2>calisto: Thank you very very very much for your help. I was dealing with it for hours. But the problem is still very strange for me (that ip works but network_name doesn't)
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11:27<houms>I just upgraded to kde4.10 from 4.8 in testing.
11:27<houms>and i keep getting kresource migration on login
11:27<digitsm2>calisto: It's very good to hear from people all over the world. I have many Linux friends in Iran, but people here can help each other more professionally
11:28<calisto>this problem exist because your net system dont have correctly configured the name system
11:28<calisto>ping momken-d830
11:28<calisto>dont works?
11:28<digitsm2>calisto, No it works fine !
11:29<houms>there seems to be a bug upstream but its unconfirmed
11:29<calisto>mm what a fac jeje
11:31<houms>the workaround seems to be to change migartion=false as mentioned in the bug report
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11:34<JacksonIsaac-mobile>calisto: I have 24 Gb free space that is mounted as /home
11:34<JacksonIsaac-mobile>can I use 2 GB as root ?
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11:36<JacksonIsaac-mobile>here's my file system info
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11:41<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: do you mean /root - root's home dir?
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11:41<JacksonIsaac-mobile>mshuler: /home
11:42<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: you already have a /home partition
11:42<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: so what is it you would like to do?
11:42<JacksonIsaac-mobile>but my / pasrtition is small I want to extend it
11:42<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: right. copy something out of / to /home/<something> and symlink it
11:43<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I tried apt-get dist-upgrade and it got some error due to disk space and now I am unable to do anything :(
11:43<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: you might want to do that in single-user mode
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11:43<JacksonIsaac-mobile>mshuler: I have done that but still it is only 328 MB total size
11:43<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: apt uses mostly /var/apt for it's data
11:44<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I have moved /var/apt files to /home/backup
11:44<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: yeah.. you have a far too small /, in my opinion
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11:44<JacksonIsaac-mobile>that was set by default while installing I also don't know why so low
11:44<JacksonIsaac-mobile>mshuler: is there any way I can increase the part
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11:46<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: paste 'sudo du -sh /*' output
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11:54<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: based on /dev/mapper, I'm assuming you are using LVM - there are some folks that might help with resizing, but I'm not one of them - copying/symlinking dirs out of what's left of / is a bandaid.. Personally, I would suggest backups of your data and reinstalling with a more sane partition layout for a proper lont-term fix :)
11:54*mshuler has been there
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11:54<JacksonIsaac-mobile>yes it is lvm
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11:55<bloodski>Hi everyone.
11:58<koxbox>JacksonIsaac-mobile is / a lv ?
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11:59<JacksonIsaac-mobile>koxbox: how can I check it. I think it is lv as I had seelcted lvm while installing
11:59<koxbox>type: lvs
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12:00<JacksonIsaac-mobile>command not found ?
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12:00<Vikinger>i want to learn qt
12:00<koxbox>as root?
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12:01<Vikinger>i want to learn qt, but im a bit confused on what to install exactly, apt-cache search qt4 gives me a lot of stuff, i only want an IDE C/C++
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12:01<Vikinger>and standard libraries
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12:01<koxbox>Vikinger, qtdesigner??
12:01<nadir>Vikinger: have a look at codeblocks
12:02<Guest4668>im having problems with my flash player. any one might know why?
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12:02<koxbox>JacksonIsaac, now give me the output of vgs
12:02<koxbox>also as root
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12:02<JacksonIsaac> VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree
12:02<JacksonIsaac> debian 1 6 0 wz--n- 49.76g 0
12:02<Vikinger>koxbox ive read about qtdesigner is it not best to install qtcreator ?
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12:02<koxbox>and now a df -h | grep root
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12:04<wdoodle>Hi, upgraded squeeze to wheezy. X won't start. "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module!" So no screens were found. Googling didn't turn up any direct solutions, but did lead me to notice that there is a subdirectory called nvidia under video drivers in /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686, but not for 3.2.0-4-686-pae. Amongst other nvidia packages, I have nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx, nvidia-kernel-common, and nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-d
12:04<koxbox>Vikinger, check it out...
12:04<JacksonIsaac>koxbox: /dev/mapper/debian-root 314M 235M 59M 81% /
12:05<koxbox>JacksonIsaac, you have some free space in root... what you wanna do??
12:05<JacksonIsaac>I did apt-get dist-upgrade
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12:05<JacksonIsaac>and error came up
12:05<koxbox>JacksonIsaac, whitch error
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12:06<koxbox>JacksonIsaac, you have not enough space left for a dist upgrade
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12:06<koxbox>JacksonIsaac, you have to take some space from youre /home
12:07<JacksonIsaac>how can I do that
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12:07<JacksonIsaac>or can I revert that dist-upgrade
12:07<JacksonIsaac>as I can't even install anything
12:07<koxbox>give me the output of mount
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12:07<Vikinger>again how do i install qt4 on debian ?
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12:09<nadir>the little i know about gtk i would assume it's libqt4-dev
12:09<koxbox>Vikinger, apt-get install qt4*
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12:09<nadir>(i gave up on gtk pretty quick, btw)
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12:11<koxbox>JacksonIsaac, shrink youre /home partition and give the free space to /
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12:11<JacksonIsaac>In /home 24 gb is free
12:11<koxbox>JacksonIsaac, backup your data from / home first
12:12<nadir>Vikinger: i don't know it myself, but they seem to have a forum and guides and such: (seems obvious ... oh my).
12:12<JacksonIsaac>How can I shrink it into / safely without messing up everything
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12:13<nadir>isn't the whole point of lvm that one can easily resize ?
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12:17<koxbox>nadir, right
12:18<nadir>in that case i wouldn't use it if i wouldn't know how to resize with it, no?
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12:19<koxbox>nadir, its not that hard
12:19<nadir>i guess so.
12:20<nadir>but on a desktop i never have to resize anyway, and if i have, then gparted is easy enough
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12:21<koxbox>nadir, i like lvm
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12:22<nadir>that's fine. But installing lvm if one is not able to use it and doesn't need it, i am not sure who started that (fedora?)
12:22<Vikinger>does Qtcreator does the same has Qtdesigner ?
12:23<nadir>learning it sure won't hurt, i guess
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12:30<koxbox>Vikinger, yes
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12:30<koxbox>Vikinger, its a IDE for QT
12:30<koxbox>Vikinger, check it out or you will never know
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12:31<koxbox>with apt-get install its installed verry fast
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12:31<Boryna>i've got some problem with my debian
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12:31<Boryna>yesterday i installed my system
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12:31<Boryna>and when it starts
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12:32<Boryna>i've got a lot of error messages
12:32<Boryna>"hda-intel: spurious response 0x0:0x0, last cmd=0x370100"
12:32<Boryna>and booting is stopped and i can't do anything
12:32<Boryna>any ideas?
12:33<elrik>try to reinstal
12:33<Boryna>i tried two times
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12:33<Boryna>maybay should i use sid version with newest kernel?
12:34<elrik>is it a old pc ?
12:35<Boryna>so i have no ideas what to do
12:35<elrik>use te last distrib debian7
12:35<sney>hda-intel is audio related. what audio devices do you have in that system
12:35<ribe>currently using wheezy and Jessie (on different machines) can Sid be used for daily use?
12:36<Boryna>sney, wait a minute, i'll tell you
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12:36<sney>ribe: if you are familiar enough with debian to fix things when they break, sure! but sid usage is recommended for people who want to find bugs and report them, to help the development process
12:37<ribe>Thanks!! I think I'll stick to stable and testing!
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12:37<nadir>ribe: it's been ages i had to troubleshoot sid. hence i'd say yes. But if it breaks, then one will need the knowledge or help or the nerves.
12:37<nadir>and i really see no difference to testing (usually)
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12:38<nadir>and with a working backup it's a piece of cake. duh.
12:38<ribe>I'm currently having problems getting debian to connect to my network printers...... Sid might be more than I can chew!
12:38<sney>ugh, printing
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12:39<ribe>it just quit working one day, something about my firewall?
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12:39<ribe>so I can't print with debian for now.....
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12:45<Boryna>sney, it's my audio device Realtek ALC662 @ VIA VT8237S High Definition Audio Controller PCI
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12:48<sney>Boryna: if you disable that device in the bios, can you boot normally?
12:48<Boryna>i haven't tried
12:48<Boryna>but it can be a great idea
12:48<Boryna>i'll check it
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13:34<MassDivide>Could someone help me with an issue?
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13:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:36<MassDivide>I have a problem with my debian install, I am running sendmail and I am having trouble with the whole localhost.localdomain and CBL. My headers still show www-data@localhost.localdomain
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13:46<inkbottle>Hi, I've got a track-point and hence want the track-pad disabled. I've put that: xinput --disable "AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad" in my .bashrc and it's the best I've devised so far. But in many situation, e.g. user shift and back, the behaviour is turned back to default
13:47<inkbottle>I use kde desktop, were there isn't gnome's "gpointing"
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13:47<inkbottle>the kde setting stuff for thouchpad doesn't allow the disabling of it
13:49<inkbottle>I think screen lock and back might put the default back too but not so sure
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13:55<roughnecks>which software is there available to write a lightscribe media?
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13:56<sney>I seem to remember that wodim could do it, maybe
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13:57<roughnecks>thanks sney, i'll google that
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14:25<beojan>I'm installing debian on a UEFI system to dual boot with Windows 8
14:26<beojan>After the partitioning stage, I get the message "No EFI partition was found"
14:27<babilen>Did you create one?
14:27<beojan>If I select the EFI System Partition to be used as EFI boot partition, will this wipe the partition, or simply install the debian bootloader into it
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14:27<babilen>beojan: IIRC you need two extra partitions (efi system partition and a bios boot partition) for an efi/gpt setup
14:28*babilen never got it right on his first try and simply altered the partitioning scheme after using the autopartitioner (guided partitioning)
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14:29<woden>Hello, I'm on the latest stable and I accidently ruined my grub2 and now my system boots to a grub> prompt. How do I repair grub?
14:29<beojan>I have a 419mb ntfs partition, the efi partition, a "Microsoft reserved partition", my Windows partition, then my root partition
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14:30<babilen>dpkg: tell woden -about fixmbr
14:30<kevix>get rescue cd/dvd, chroot to old drive and update-grub??
14:30<inkbottle>I want to put this: TouchpadOff=1, into a not yet existing xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf file. What is the syntax for that?
14:30<plugwash>i've recently been given access to a server and i'm trying to figure out what is going on with it's raid configuration. lshw is telling me I have a "Smart Array G6 controllers" from HP. Any idea how I can interrogate this controller from linux?
14:30<cjac> files list file for package 'libfreetype6' is missing final newline
14:30<cjac>hey folks
14:30<beojan>inkbottle: echo "TouchpadOff=1" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics
14:31<cjac>which file list file is this?
14:31<beojan>* .conf
14:31<babilen>inkbottle: My /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf file looks like
14:31<beojan>babilen: Is it possible to use the autopartitioner when dual booting with windows
14:31<inkbottle>beojan: I can do it just like that?
14:31<inkbottle>babilen: I have a look
14:32<beojan>if you add on the .conf I missed off
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14:33<babilen>beojan: It partitions the entire disk -- You could use it to take a look at the partitioning scheme *without* writing the changes to disk and then replicating that scheme later, but it would AFAIK use the space now occupied by Windows. I haven't used MS Windows in 13 years and really couldn't care less. I also don't quite remember the specific partitioning scheme (sorry)
14:33<woden>babilen, those are lots of commands...I guess I have to write them all down on a piece of paper and do it? is there an automatic way to do it instead?
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14:34<inkbottle>beojan: ok, i try that right now
14:34<babilen>woden: I don't follow
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14:34<babilen>inkbottle: beojan's suggestion would create a syntactically wrong configuration file.
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14:35<woden>babilen, i mean, isn't there a way to boot to the debian cd and just "rescue grub2"?
14:35<beojan>woden: Do you not have a working X right now
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14:35<babilen>woden: No, not that I am aware of. There are various boot rescue disks, but I consider those instructions to be quite easy ...
14:35<woden>beojan, I'm on windows right now because i can't boot into debian
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14:36<woden>babilen,what is "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" supposed to mean? what is the whatever part and what is the /target part supposed to be?
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14:37<babilen>woden: You mount your root filesystem (whatever) to /target -- If you have / on /dev/sda1 you would therefore run "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /target"
14:37<woden>babilen, would it be "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda /target" then?
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14:40<babilen>woden: No, you have to mount a specific filesystem (and therefore a specific partition) which means that it is something like /dev/sda1 (first partition on the first disk) or /dev/sda2 (second partition and so on) -- you can run "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to list all partitions on the disk.
14:40<woden>babilen, when I'm doing the update-grub and the grub-install is there a way to make it see my windows volume that is on /dev/sdb?
14:41<kevix>'it' being the rescue cd or the debian system on the HD?
14:41<woden>kevix, either one...
14:41<babilen>woden: upgrade-grub runs os-prober which would configure MS Windows entries if it is installed, yes. You might have to fix the MBR to be able to boot into Debian first and then repeat the "update-grub" from within Debian to get it running.
14:41<kevix>Gnu/linux can mount NTFS, if that's what you mean.
14:41<inkbottle>babilen: So i'd take your file, keep the #required lines, possibly discard the others, and add TouchpadOff=1 before EndSection. Would that seem ok?
14:41<babilen>woden: If you don't have os-prober installed it won't configure entries.
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14:42<woden>babilen, update-grub or update-grub2?
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14:42<babilen>inkbottle: No, "TouchpadOff=1" is not a valid entry.
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14:42<woden>babilen, yes I do have os-prober installed
14:42<babilen>woden: It doesn't matter but use update-grub2 to be in line with your expectations.
14:43<ckosloff>how do I add my user to sudoers list?
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14:43<woden>babilen, do you know which .iso i need to burn to a thumb stick so I can ALT+F2 and get this started?
14:43<babilen>inkbottle: No, "TouchpadOff=1" is not a valid entry (it is probably something like: Option "TouchpadOff" "1" or so
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14:43<ckosloff>cjac OK visudo as root, but then waht?
14:43<inkbottle>babilen: Option "TouchpaddOff" "1"
14:43<cjac>read the documentation
14:44<babilen>inkbottle: Take a look at "man 1 synaptics"
14:44<ckosloff>cjac where is the documentation?
14:44<cjac>have you run visudo?
14:44<ckosloff>cjac yes
14:44<cjac>so you saw the documentation then?
14:44<babilen>inkbottle: I just checked the manpage (as did you probably in the meanwhile) and it is indeed 'Option "TouchpadOff" "1"'
14:44<ckosloff>cjac no
14:45<babilen>dpkg: tell ckosloff -about sudoers
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14:45<babilen>ckosloff: You might just want to add your user to the "sudo" group and relogin if you don't require anything fancy.
14:45<cjac>okay. read harder.
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14:46<babilen>jimenez: Welcome, what can we do for you?
14:46<woden>babilen, thanks i'm gonna try this and see if it works.
14:46<jimenez>hablo en español
14:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:46<cjac>solomente un poco
14:46<babilen>dpkg: es-social jimenez
14:46<dpkg>jimenez: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
14:47<jimenez>ingle nosee
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14:49<woden>babilen, wait I have 1 more question before i try this. that last command...should it be "update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda1" or should it be "update-grub2 && grub-install /dev/sda1"
14:49<inkbottle>babilen: I'm back soon to say how it worked
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14:49<ckosloff>I added user to sudo group as root, but at my root prompt as user command groups does not show the group
14:49<ckosloff>sorry at my user prompt
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14:50<cjac>groups <username>
14:50<woden>babilen, or did you mean that update-grub2 should be run after i boot into debian?
14:50<ckosloff>ok, it is there just not in alphabetical order
14:51<cjac>probably order of group being added to user
14:51<ckosloff>cjac looks random to me
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14:53<babilen>woden: It should be "update-grub2" followed by "grub-install /dev/sda" (not !! /dev/sda1) -- You want to install it to the MBR of the disk not a partition. update-grub and upgrade-grub2 are essentially the same thing.
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14:53<inkbottle>babilen: awesome!
14:53<woden>babilen, nevermind i see you already answered that question. but what did you mean about how i might have to update the mbr
14:54<babilen>woden: I simply mean that I have seen it in the past that some Windows installation weren't picked up when update-grub was run within the chroot. Hence my recommendation to run it again (just for good measure) once you booted into Debian.
14:54<woden>babilen, okay thanks
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14:54<woden>babilen, is debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso the correct one to use for this task?
14:55<babilen>woden: The boot loader is typically installed to the MBR (master boot record) of your disk (hence /dev/sda which is the device file for the entire disk), but in some setups it makes sense to install it to a partition too. (e.g. for chainloading multiple boot loaders)
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14:55<babilen>woden: Any Debian installer (or live CD) allows you to chroot in this manner.
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14:55<woden>babilen, okay thanks
14:55<babilen>inkbottle: yay \o/
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14:57<xEv1L>Привет всем кто может помочь новичку?
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15:00<xEv1L>вопрос есть есть 2 физических диска ссд и обычный винт, на ссд стоят окна цель поставить на обычный винт дебиан с учетом того что вся инфа там сохранится как можно реализовать?
15:00<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:03<xEv1L>the question is have 2 physical drives SSD and a regular screw on the SSD are the window to put the target on a regular screw of Debian, given that all infa remain there as soon as possible to implement?
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15:05<xEv1L>not important 2 discs, the second with the information without the OS, you need to install Debian and save data
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15:05<woden>babilen, at the first command I get this error-- "mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /target failed: No such file or directory"
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15:06<woden>babilen, do you know what that error means?
15:07<xEv1L>Woden No directory to be mounted
15:07<woden>what does that mean?
15:07<woden>no /target?
15:07<xEv1L>mkdir /mnt/name durectory
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15:08<woden>i did a "mkdir target" and retried that command but it still failed with the same error message.
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15:09<plugwash>mkdir target will create a directory called target under the current directory, you are trying to mount on a directory called target under the root directory
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15:09<plugwash>so unless the current directory is the root directory mkdir target won't help you
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15:22<woden>babilen, it did not work :( I get this error-- mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /target failed: No such file or directory
15:22<babilen>woden: You have to run "mkdir /target"
15:22<woden>babilen, I did run mkdir /target
15:23<woden>I typed "mkdir /target" then "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /target"
15:23<babilen>woden: Are you sure that it is /dev/sda1 ? Is it listed in "fdisk -l /dev/sda" ?
15:23<woden>fdisk: no such command
15:24<babilen>I am, however, off for dinner now and will return later so you might want to ask the channel in the interim.
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15:24<babilen>Hmm, pity - I thought fdisk was available.
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15:54<ignis>Can onyone help me?
15:55<plugwash>it rather depends on what you need help with...................................
15:55<ignis>Ok, I want to make my Bluetooth device to work
15:56<ignis>This is the device info:
15:56<ignis>07:00.1 Bluetooth: Ralink corp. Device 3298
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15:58<kevix>blueman-* or gnome-bluetooth ?
15:59<ignis>I guess gnome
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16:02<ignis>anyways 07:00.1 Bluetooth: Ralink corp. Device 3298
16:02<ignis>gnome i think
16:03<LtL>ignis: apt-cache search bluez - should be what you want
16:03<ignis>Let me see
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16:04<ignis>So I should install those packages right?
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16:05<LtL>ignis: not all of them, i can't say which for sure due to the fact i don't use bluetooth
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16:05<ignis>Ok, thank you
16:06<LtL>ignis: the firmware and the bluez packages should suffice
16:06<ignis>Ok, I'll try and see how it works
16:06<ignis>Thanks :)
16:06<LtL>you're welcome ignis
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16:07<zerick>Hi guys, I'm trying to do the same as here with Upstart but on Debian with success, any help plz :(
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16:12<cae>zerick: I don't get it. It works, which makes you sad?
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16:13<zerick>cae, oh, wanted to say with "no success"
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16:15<cae>zerick: so putting "losetup ..." to /etc/rc.local does what?
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16:18<cae>probably you have loop0 already in use, you could work around that with 'losetup "$(losetup -f)" /srv/diskimage'
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16:35<zerick>cae, it's free
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17:16<digitsm2>I'm using XFCE. I can bring nm-applet (gnome network manager applet) in my notification area, but it doesn't show any device. I'm connected to the ethernet but it doesn't show. What should I do to fix it?
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17:19<musca>digitsm2: if you configured your devices in /etc/network/interfaces then nm-applet will ignore them.
17:19<shaiba>can i get help im geting a warning
17:19<shaiba>puls audio
17:19<musca>hi shaiba
17:19<digitsm2>musca: What should I do?
17:20<shaiba>[warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning)
17:20<shaiba>on boot up or shutdown
17:20<digitsm2>musca: This is what I see in /etc/network/interfaces:
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17:22<musca>digitsm2: set comments (#) in line 9+10 of /etc/network/interfaces (that would be reversible)
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17:22<digitsm2>musca: Then reboot?
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17:23<digitsm2>I'm going to reboot
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17:23<musca>stderr would say no!
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17:23*stderr says yes!
17:23<stderr>(To what?)
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17:24<musca>^ he wanted to reboot.
17:24<shaiba>any1 knows if this relates to sound problem [warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning)
17:24<shaiba>im geting it on shutdown and booting up also
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17:25<musca>why do you start PA at boot? it should later be started in your user session
17:26<shaiba>talkin to me ?
17:26<shaiba>i dont start it
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17:27<shaiba>it probably does it self
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17:29<musca>ok, why did you configure PA for per-user sessions if you let it start at boot?
17:29<shaiba>i didnt configure anything
17:29<shaiba>i just instaled debian
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17:29<shaiba>i had lxde i had sound problem
17:29<shaiba>i tried kde . curently now at kde
17:29<shaiba>same problem
17:29<digitsm2>musca, Thanks your suggestion worked perfectly.
17:29<shaiba>then i saw this warnings in the boot and shutdown
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17:30<shaiba>i googlled the problem ... and that language is totaly not for me
17:30<nutron>I've run across this question once via google, but the answer is a little bit mysterious. I'd like to disable all options for shutdown for the user as is causes problems with rsync. How does one disable the shutdown option on all desktop environments?
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17:30<musca>shaiba: ok, ok, it's only a warning, not an error.
17:31<shaiba>can it relate to sound problem ? because my sound is no good
17:32<nutron>I can't find policykit, but assume it's the librariies that were already pulled in. Otherwise, where's the documentation for writing these rules?
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17:34<shaiba>id like to edit the puls audio file
17:34<shaiba>whats the comand to it
17:34<shaiba>cause sound is no good anyways
17:34<shaiba>and if its going to stay no good i rather damige it for good my self
17:35<digitsm2>But I have another problem indeed. I am using samba. After discussions calisto1 at last I found out that for using samba here, I have to enter "smb://" instead pf "smb://momken-d830"
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17:36<digitsm2>musca, Although "smb://" shows all my files and folders (with read and write access) but I can not copy them.
17:37<digitsm2>musca: It shows a progress bar which never ends. I although noticed that during copy no byte gets transferred to my ethernet card
17:38<musca>hmm. i'm no samba user.
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17:39<digitsm2>musca, You use sshfs?
17:39<musca>not recently.
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17:45<musca>shaiba: do you want some specific stuff for reading on pulseaudio config?
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17:45<Zach>I've completely screwed up
17:46<shaiba>like to change pulsaduio system start to 1 ?
17:46<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at . #pulseaudio on
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17:46<Zach>I just set the permissions of every file on my debian server to root:root
17:46<Zach>any ideas wtf I should do
17:47<SamB>Zach: cry
17:47<Zach>SamB: done that - it hasn't fixed anything
17:47<Zach>there is nothing I can there?
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17:48<SamB>you can TRY to change things back to what they should be, but figuring that out is not going to be simple :-(
17:50<musca>Zach: so you didn't change permission but ownership
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17:50<Zach>musca: chown
17:50<cae>Zach: use your backup?
17:51<Zach>cae: I obviously would, if I had one.
17:51<cae>(probably just to get the correct ownership back)
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17:52<Zach>musca: is there anything I can do?
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17:52<cae>Zach: you could probably setup another box and import dpkg --get-selections there, then copy the whole filesystem to the broken one and do find -exec chown --reference
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17:53<cae>but I'm pretty sure you won't cover all stuff with this method (let alone the inconsistent passwd user/uid entries)
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17:54<Zach>I guess the only thing I can do is a complete reinstall
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17:55<Zach>what's the best way to install the same set up, on the same box?
17:55<cae>btw.: can I modify the Return-Path: header with Postfix' header_checks? It didn't work and I suppose they're set after the header_checks stuff is done
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17:57<pmart>the d-i has a notion of debconf/priority which is set to high by default. is there a priority for debconf on installed system? and how can i check which one is selected?
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18:02<Zach>any ideas as to what the best way to install the same set up, on the same box is?
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18:02<shaiba>how come i canot log in with root aces on kde
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18:04<shaiba>it keeps saying root acces not aloud
18:05<Zach>can anyone help - I accidentally did "chown -R root:root /"
18:05<Zach>is there a way to restore default ownership to all files?
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18:06<zumbi>I think there was a checking tool at least
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18:06<koxbox>everything is root
18:06<koxbox>only /home/user is not root
18:07<SamB>koxbox: lots of things are supposed to be owned by root:group ...
18:07<Zach>koxbox: SQL for example?
18:07<Zach>my web server pages show
18:08<koxbox>ok.. but that you can fix by hand
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18:08<Zach>Connection Problems - server is busy
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18:08<koxbox>could not be that mutch
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18:08<shaiba>id like to fx my problems i cant log as root...
18:08<shaiba>it wont let me
18:08<shaiba>it dont alow root aces
18:08<shaiba>why ?
18:08<shaiba>should i dl a debian 6. ?
18:08<shaiba>cause the 7. dosnt function at all
18:08<shaiba>no sound no nothing
18:09<shaiba>nothing works
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18:09<Zach>koxbox: how do I know what owner and group is needed?
18:09<koxbox>then also your kde login as root wont help
18:09<koxbox>for webserver??
18:09<shaiba>yeh that makes sens so it dosnt works ?
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18:09<shaiba>it isnt fuly developed yet ?
18:10<koxbox>shaiba, you dont need to login kde as root
18:10<shaiba>if i could then i could edit things
18:10<shaiba>and make things work
18:10<koxbox>what you wanna do as root ??
18:10<Zach>koxbox: for packages like SQL etc
18:10<shaiba>but now i canot do that without that aces
18:10<shaiba>because i want to . its on my machine
18:11<koxbox>open terminal
18:11<shaiba>aight what ever
18:11<koxbox>command: su
18:11<shaiba>i did
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18:11<shaiba>there it works
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18:11<shaiba>how come it dont work in main screen . i wana use kde rite ? not dos
18:11<cae>shaiba: fpr gui programs use gksu or kdesu
18:11<cae>no need to run the whole X session as root
18:12<shaiba>if u tell me that 7.1 isnt done yet
18:12<shaiba>i rather go dl the 6.
18:12<shaiba>tell me that
18:12<shaiba>thats what i want to hear
18:12<koxbox>Zach, witch sql packages
18:12<cae>tell it to yourself... Wheezy aka Debian 7.* is stable
18:12<shaiba>dont look like it stable
18:13<shaiba>looks like it isnt fuly done yet
18:13<shaiba>i cant even edit a file to fix my problem
18:13<shaiba>and i cant even log as root
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18:13<shaiba>to do that
18:13<koxbox>open a terminal
18:13<koxbox>and the type "su"
18:14<koxbox>and then enter your root password
18:14<shaiba>whats the comand to open this /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
18:14<koxbox>put vim in front
18:14<cae>shaiba: doing things the wrong way isn't a bug in software, so please listen to koxbox who's trying to thell you how to do it
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18:14<Zach>koxbox: mysql-server
18:14<shaiba>cae in terminal ident works
18:14<shaiba>but in main screen it dont
18:15<koxbox>Zach, and whats not working witch youre mysql server?
18:16<cae>shaiba: $ kdesu kate /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc #does what?
18:17<shaiba>bash: /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc: Permission denied
18:17<shaiba>see ?
18:17<shaiba>so its no good
18:17<shaiba>even then it wont work
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18:18<cae>shaiba: you didn't type what I told you to, probably it was simply "/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc", rather than "kdesu kate /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc"
18:19<cae>and because the first call would try to invoke the file as a script or whatever, it fails because it's not a script or executable
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18:19<shaiba>yeh but it opens from menue
18:19<shaiba>then after edit wana save it
18:19<shaiba>it says i ain root
18:20<koxbox>you have to open the file as root
18:20<shaiba>for a min forget the terminal
18:20<koxbox>not as user
18:20<shaiba>i cant log as root
18:20<shaiba>it dont alow roots
18:20<shaiba>as it says
18:20<koxbox>because you have to run youre editor as root
18:20<Zach>koxbox: "[FAIL] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!"
18:20<Zach>koxbox: how can I locate the source of this failure?
18:21<koxbox>and to edit and to edit a file you can use editro like vim, joe, nano, etc... and no need for gui
18:21<koxbox>cae wrote you the right words
18:21<koxbox>Zach, /var/log
18:22<Zach>koxbox: the log is empty
18:22<cae>Zach: probably because the mysql user can't write to it?
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18:23<shaiba>koxbox everything works for u ?
18:23<koxbox>Zach, whats the owner of /var/lib/mysql
18:23<shaiba>soudnd and loging to root from main screen ?
18:23<Zach>koxbox: root:root
18:24<Zach>koxbox: everything is root:root
18:24<koxbox>change it to mysql:mysql
18:24<koxbox>you have to cange back all in /var/lib to the right owners
18:24<cae>shaiba: just repeating, there is no need to login as root for the whole session... just do everything as $USER, exept the things you need to be root for
18:24<cae>and therefore you can use gksu/kdesu
18:25<cae>or sux
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18:25<cae>or whatever
18:25<koxbox>or by a book how to use linux
18:25<Zach>koxbox: how do I know what the right owners are?
18:25<Zach>koxbox: is it just name:name ?
18:26<koxbox>for mysql yes
18:27<koxbox>because its running also as user mysql
18:27<koxbox>the most are running as root
18:27<cae>Zach: install a new system somewhere and compare, there is no general rule... e.g. logs are sometimes foo:foo, but others are foo:adm
18:27<shaiba>cae i dont need it for the all sesion sins its . wont let me do nothing. id like to log in as root to begin with
18:27<shaiba>i just need root aces after editing to save that file
18:27<shaiba>it wont save
18:28<shaiba>i wonder if windows will let me acces to that file
18:28<koxbox>shaiba you have teamviewer?? you know that tool??
18:28<Zach>cae: I can't install a new system - but is there a way to log if there are permission errors? right now my server appears to be functioning...
18:28<shaiba>nope i dont
18:28<shaiba>i dont have nothing on this linux yet
18:28<shaiba>i dont want nothing until i figure out my sound
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18:29<shaiba>who wants a plantform without sound...
18:29<shaiba>how about dvds and mp3s...
18:29<shaiba>cant use thouse ?
18:29<koxbox>to login as root user will not help you with your sound problem
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18:29<shaiba>cant open a hd
18:29<cae>Zach: well, you could strace the process, but it's a little complicated if you aren't into that
18:30<shaiba>sometimes it opens sometime it dont
18:30<koxbox>shaiba, better use windows :-)
18:30<shaiba>koxbox tell me on ur side everything works ?
18:30<chealer>!tell shaiba about enter
18:30<shaiba>well i could fix it only if it lets me edit few things
18:30<koxbox>yes everything
18:30<shaiba>amazing then
18:30<shaiba>maby i need to reinstall it
18:30<koxbox>and i was never login as root :-)
18:30<shaiba>maby it didnt install rite
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18:31<shaiba>i have 3 hd on this machin . it opens 2 hds it wont the 3rd sometimes it opens sometimes it dont
18:31<shaiba>i get this feeling that this linux is no good
18:31<koxbox>open a teamviewer session for me
18:32<shaiba>i dont have nothing yet ..
18:32<koxbox>download and install it
18:32<patrickd>shaiba: maybe it's worth trying ubuntu or linuxmint, sometimes they "just work"
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18:33<cae>patrickd: Debian would "just work" also... if $USER wouldn't try to do dumb things ;-)
18:33<koxbox>shaiba, yes try linux mint 15
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18:33<patrickd>cae: lol
18:33<shaiba>linux mint has 2 to 4 second mouse delay
18:33<shaiba>tried it . dont like it
18:34<shaiba>machine is strong enough to open things instant
18:34<shaiba>koxbux for real
18:34<koxbox>shaiba, realy i downt know what youre doing
18:34<shaiba>u have mint ?
18:34<koxbox>yes at another machine
18:34<shaiba>guys at mint distro dont know the delay i been there they dont belive it
18:34<shaiba>click menue 3 second later menue opens
18:35<shaiba>64 bit 3 gig ram
18:35<shaiba>dual core 3.46
18:35<koxbox>as root or normal user?
18:35<shaiba>both users
18:35<shaiba>there is a delay googled it
18:35<shaiba>saw forums there is a delay for others at forums too
18:35<koxbox>try linux mint debian edition
18:35<koxbox>and how they fix it??
18:36<shaiba>they didnt fix it
18:36<shaiba>they changed to another
18:36<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:36<shaiba>koxbox where can i get that debian release mint ?
18:36<TCW>shaiba, you know your enter key will eventualy wear off, right?
18:36<koxbox>at linux mint page
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18:38<shaiba>yeh i see it .
18:38<shaiba>sorry tcm
18:39<shaiba>bbl thanks koxbox
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18:50<tim__>Hi. I want to install debian on an old laptop, but I'm not sure which image I should take. it's a 1.5 GHz single core centrino with 768 MB of RAM. it has to fit on a CD, since that's the only way to do an install
18:51<tim__>which image is going to be a good fit for it?
18:51<scientes>tim__, xfce or lxde
18:51<scientes>i think those are on the same image
18:51<tim__>scientes: is gnome not an option?
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18:51<scientes>tim__, gnome fallback mode will work, but still uses more ram than xfce or lxde
18:52<scientes>and nautilus will kill that cpu
18:52<scientes>so i really recommend xfce instead
18:52<tim__>xfce is fine
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18:53<scientes>i remember running gnome 2 on 2.4 Ghz
18:53<tim__>so I should just download the recent 32 bit live CD with xfce?
18:53<scientes>and nautilus would just kill it
18:53<scientes>i started using pcmanfm, the lxde file manager
18:54<tim__>scientes: I used xfce for a bit on another machine, also low powered. it was quite smooth
18:54<abrotman>tim__: gnome is an option depending on the video card
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18:54<tim__>but I liked gnome when I used it on a stronger PC, with dual core and lots of ram
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18:55<abrotman>tim__: so try it again
18:55<abrotman>tim__: if oyu find it too sluggish, you have plenty of options
18:55<tim__>abrotman: I am not sure which video card is on there, but I'll check
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18:55<tim__>it's an old machine
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18:55<tim__>XP days
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18:56<abrotman>tim__: it doesn't hurt to try
18:57<tim__>abrotman: you're right
18:57<abrotman>if you find it too slow, you'll have optoins, but at least you'll know
18:57<tim__>apparently I got a Mobility Radeon M6 LY on there, 128 MB memory, 32 bit
18:58<abrotman>sounds not awesome, but oyu'll need the radeon firmware at least
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18:58<tim__>abrotman: yeah, that's always the trouble with debian for me. getting firmware and drivers to work when I can't connect
18:58<patrickd>can anyone recommend something that keeps track of monthly bandwidth usage for kde ?
18:58<tim__>but when it works, it works well
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18:59<abrotman>!tell tim__ about firmware netinst
19:00<tim__>can wheezy run on this old machine anyways?
19:01<tim__>It's gnome 2, right?
19:01<patrickd>tim__: gnome 3
19:01<SamB>I had wheezy running on a PII 450 with 256 MiB of RAM
19:01<SamB>it depends very much on what you do with it
19:01<tim__>patrickd: thanks
19:02<tim__>SamB: impressive. but what could it do with that little ram and cpu power?
19:02<abrotman>tim__: a lot more than you imagine
19:02<patrickd>I have it wheezy running on a wee i486 (MPC-L viglen) machine that acts a my print server, media server and samba server for a handful of USB disks with out a problem
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19:03<tim__>patrickd: nice. making good use of an old machine, I see
19:04<patrickd>tim__: great wee, no noise machine, about the size of a double CD case. :)
19:04<tim__>so, abrotman , I will download the small installation image from the site, and then do a netinstall?
19:04<abrotman>tim__: see the URL the bot gave you in msg
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19:05<tim__>abrotman: got it, thanks
19:05<tim__>patrickd: that's the sort of use I'd imagine getting out of this thing when I get more knowledgeable about the OS
19:06<myessail>I need some help installing debian
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19:07<abrotman>myessail: we'll need more details about your problem
19:07<myessail>well, the installation runs smoothly until I get to the part where grub installs
19:07<myessail>grub fails to install
19:08<myessail>I tried LILO but that didn't work either
19:08<myessail>other linux distros work fine
19:08<myessail>I have xubuntu on that computer now
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19:11<myessail>how could I fix this?
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19:15<abrotman>myessail: please keep it in the channel
19:16<abrotman>myessail: is there an error, or it just fails?
19:16<myessail>it just fails
19:17<abrotman>you'll probably have to check the debug screen to see what's going on
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19:18<myessail>I'll try that later
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19:23<roffo>Hey guys. I have auth working with sasl/pam/mysql, but I have to deal with duplicate usernames somehow. Anyone know if this is possible?
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19:41<tim__>I burned the ISO using brasero. was that a mistake? it keeps booting to XP anyways
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19:42<patrickd>have you set the bios to boot from a CD before harddisk?
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19:42<tim__>patrickd: yes
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19:43<patrickd>when you put the Cd in when running windows does it show or an ISO file or the unpacked versino of the file?
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19:44<tim__>patrickd: It'll take some time to check
19:44<tim__>I can check it on my current linux machine though
19:44<SamB>tim__: that works too
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19:45<SamB>tim__: what do you see on the CD?
19:46<tim__>SamB: I don't think it recognised it
19:46<SamB>so it's not mounting at all?
19:46<tim__>SamB: nope
19:46<SamB>that's a bad sign
19:47<tim__>it's strange, because I was just using a live cd on the machine earlier as well, no issues
19:47<SamB>I think you'd better burn it again
19:47<patrickd>tim__: Might just be a bad disk
19:47<tim__>yeah, I'll try another disk. this one wasn't sealed,but didn't show anything
19:48<tim__>brasero ISO burn is the right way, isn't it?
19:48<patrickd>should be fine
19:49*SamB doesn't know anything about burning these days, except he's pretty sure the app he used last time he burnt something was removed from Debian ...
19:50<tim__>alright, it screwed up
19:50<tim__>maybe it's the disk drive?
19:50<patrickd>burn it slower ?
19:51<tim__>sure, worth a try
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19:52<patrickd>I find Cd's to be a nightmare these days, I usually just put the iso onto a spare usb pen and boot from that.
19:52<tim__>patrickd: I'd do that, but there was no option except for floppy, optical, network and hard drive boot
19:52<tim__>I can make a USB image without any issues, I did for this machine
19:53<abrotman>tim__: did you get amd64 or i386?
19:54<tim__>abrotman: I got i386 for the machine I am going to install
19:54<patrickd>tim__: ah, okay.
19:54<SamB>abrotman: presumably that has nothing to do with his inability to mount the CDs he's burnt so far?
19:54<themill>SamB: it's a polite way of saying "you didn't get IA64, did you?"
19:55<tim__>I make sure I download the right image before I download x hundred MBs :)
19:55<abrotman>ah, thought he was still trying to boot it
19:55<SamB>themill: IA64 doesn't have its own CD filesystem TOO, does it?
19:55<SamB>tim__: another question: are you sure your download wasn't corrupted?
19:55<tim__>I burned a new copy, booting again
19:55<tim__>SamB: how could I tell?
19:56<themill>!check iso image
19:56<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>.
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19:56<tim__>ok, I'll get back to you in a second
19:57<patrickd>$ md5sum debian-7.1.0-i386-CD-1.iso
19:57<patrickd>c29ec2db6754dadd341b9763164aca9a debian-7.1.0-i386-CD-1.iso
19:58<tim__>patrickd: I have firmware-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso
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19:59<patrickd>ah, okay.
20:00<Supaplex>nom nom nom md5sums nom nom nom
20:01<tim__> ~/Downloads $ md5sum firmware-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s firmware-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso` | md5sum
20:01<tim__>I am assuming I did this right?
20:01<tim__>themill: that's what I got
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20:02<Supaplex>tim__: add bs=1M to dd for better performance
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20:03<tim__>Supaplex: thanks, it's already finished. I got the MD5SUM from themill s link
20:03<tim__>so it should be a good ISO
20:04<tim__>but when I put the CD into this computer, it won't even recognise it
20:04<kevix>boot order?
20:04<kevix>burned as ISO vs disc?
20:05<kevix>checked for scratches?
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20:05<kevix>tried to mount the CD after burned it?
20:05<kevix>clean drive?
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20:05<tim__>kevix: boot order is optical, network, floppy, hard drive. disk is brand new, can't mount, and the drive has never had problems
20:07<kevix>well, if you cant mount the cd after you it, then that's bad.
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20:07<tim__>I'm trying to look at it on another machine
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20:11<mshuler>tim__: if you don't see similar to then it's not right :)
20:11<tim__>I'll try and burn the image on my other machine, then
20:12<themill>or use a usb stick if you can do that
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20:13<tim__>themill: no such options in the boot, dont know if I can
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20:16<roffo>Hey guys. I have smtp auth working with sasl/pam/mysql, but I have to deal with duplicate usernames somehow. Anyone know if this is possible, or if there's a better channel to ask in
20:17<mshuler>roffo: same user on different domains? use the whole address as username - that's how most do it
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20:17<mshuler>same user in same domain? not possible ;)
20:18<roffo>That would be nice but can't be done :(
20:18<tim__>I'll try making a stick
20:18<roffo>legacy system
20:18<mshuler>then they have to be michael and michael2 - different users - not other way around it
20:19<roffo>while the username is not unique, the account ID is. But we can't force people to change to account id instead of username
20:20<mshuler>there's some context missing then.. where does account ID come in?
20:21<roffo>currently, with exim, a perl wrapper selects the account id and password where username=. If it finds any match then auth succeeds
20:22<tim__>Stick doesn't work
20:23<roffo>but we're moving to sendmail which I have semi-working :) with pam/mysql etc. maybe there's a way to use the same perl script for auth? would be nice...
20:23<plugwash>moving *to* sendmail?!
20:23<plugwash>I thought the world was moving *away* from sendmail.................
20:24<tim__>wait, I am getting something strange
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20:24<roffo>well exim will stay where it is, just won't handle auth anymore as sendmail will be in front of it. CanIt (nice anti-spam software) runs on sendmail
20:24<tim__>Client Mac Addr: .... GUID... DHCP.... is that what the netboot looks like=
20:24<tim__>I just saw I had something about net install disabled
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20:25<mshuler>tim__: net install (in BIOS, I guess you are talking about) is for PXE booting
20:26<mshuler>roffo: so many good spam strategies with postfix..
20:26<tim__>mshuler: ok. I don't think this is working right. I can't seem to get anywhere but XP
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20:27<mshuler>tim__: did you burn the image on a new disk?
20:27<tim__>mshuler: I burned it on a previously sealed CD RW I had
20:28<tim__>but none of my other laptops could recognise it
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20:29<mshuler>roffo: so I'm interested.. if you have two users, same username (with different IDs), and they *happen* to use the same password (p4ssw0rd, for instance), what error is thrown by your script when it tries to pick a user/ID?
20:29<roffo>mshuler: that's true, CanIt is what we're using though and is very nice as well
20:29<mshuler>tim__: so my question again was: did you burn another CD?
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20:30<tim__>yeah, I burned it twice
20:30<roffo>mshuler: it would auth
20:31<roffo>I didn't write the script, and in my limited knowledge it looks like it will check each user until it matches, fails if none match. Appears the account id is only for logging
20:31<mshuler>roffo: it would auth to where? the first one in numerical order? you have two different users..
20:31<roffo>the first match, I would say
20:31<roffo>brb meeting, thanks for your help
20:31<mshuler>that is so wrong..
20:31<roffo>yeah :)
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20:33<digitsm2>At last I decided to use 'rsync' instead of samba to copy my files over the net
20:34<mshuler>tim__: bummer - I'd say try to use a different burning machine, if two burns on two different manufacturer's media both don't work :(
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20:34<mshuler>digitsm2: winning!
20:34<tim__>mshuler: yeah, sucks. I'll try another time, it's getting late here
20:35<digitsm2>rsync is very fast, can uses compression, can use ssh (for encryption) and can be used for future syncing too. Awesome tool on the linux
20:35<mshuler>good luck, tim__!
20:35<tim__>first time I installed debian, I was online until 3 or 4 AM trying to get my wireless to work, lol
20:35<digitsm2>tim__: :))
20:35<tim__>needless to say, I was not aware of an image that had the non-free firmware on it....
20:35<tim__>thanks, mshuler
20:36<mshuler>first time I installed debian, I used like 40 floppies
20:36<snogglethorpe>tim__: i suppose one can blame the rather nasty laws for that...
20:36<tim__>snogglethorpe: nasty laws?
20:37<snogglethorpe>tim__: my vague recollection is that because they have fairly open-ended software-controllable radio-transcievers on them, there are <mumble mumble> constraints on what you're allowed to do with them
20:37<snogglethorpe>but i'd have to go google that to actually see if I'm correct...
20:38<snogglethorpe>of course lazy, hide-bound, and patent-happy manufacturers of a craven bent are also part of the problem...
20:38<tim__>well, I dont know much about laws. I did find the firmware and drivers after all, it just took a couple of hours
20:39<tim__>I believe the manufacturer even provided them
20:39<snogglethorpe>tim__: yeah my <mumble vague memory> is that they can't openly give out all the details so that good-quality free drivers/firmware can be created
20:39<snogglethorpe>of course that doesn't mean they wouldn't resist doing so regardless
20:40<snogglethorpe>hardware manufacturers tend to be extremely fumble-footed software-wise and usually just don't get FOSS
20:40*snogglethorpe works for a hardware manufacturer
20:40<tim__>snogglethorpe: who wants to work for nothing, right? the device is already sold when you install linux, right?
20:41<snogglethorpe>well but having lots of good software support makes your device more attractive
20:41<plugwash>what gets me is that everyone seems happy with non-free firmware loaded from rom yet non-free firmware loaded from disk is considered a horrible thing
20:41<snogglethorpe>and making it easy to to develop for increases the quantity and quality of the software support
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20:42<snogglethorpe>plugwash: personally I don't care so much, *but* I think there is actually a difference in practice, as an "easily and often updated" image often seems to result in lower quality because they just figure "eh, they'll update"
20:42<tim__>I don't think most manufacturers suffer much from not catering to FOSS. especially wireless. how many big servers running linux use some little wlan card?
20:43<snogglethorpe>tim__: i can't give you numbers :]
20:43<snogglethorpe>tim__: but i know in my own industry, FOSS tools etc are a huge part of the equation
20:43<snogglethorpe>and embedded paltforms are often based on FOSS
20:43<tim__>I think some progress is being made, though. now that valve is porting their stuff to linux, hardware folks have a bit more of an incentive to support it properly. after all, video games are a massive industry
20:44<snogglethorpe>e.g your copier is more likely to be running some funky version of linux than it is windows
20:44<SamB>plugwash: well if it's loaded from ROM you can consider it part of the non-free hardware
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20:44<digitsm2>I strongly recommend everybody to read this article. This article shows why "bbcp+tar" and "netcat+tar" is faster than rsync. The author could even reach the speed of 85MB/s over a Gbit ethernet!!!
20:44<tim__>snogglethorpe: yup, all manners of unix systems are running stuff behind the scenes. they are more suited for non-consumer applications than windows or mac
20:45<snogglethorpe>digitsm2: ... unless you're actually _updating_ ...
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20:45<plugwash>digitsm, it would help to actually tell people what you think they should be reading
20:46<snogglethorpe>digitsm2: if you're just copying something from scratch, rsync probably isn't the fastest solution, but OTOH many people will use it simply becuase it has a very convenient and familiar interface
20:47<snogglethorpe>so for cases where the amount of data isn't so huge as to make that much difference, rsync is usually a win
20:47<SamB>also because it doesn't ask for the password over and over like scp tends to do
20:47<digitsm2>snogglethorpe: Yeah I used it because it is fast. I copied 4.5GB just in minutes
20:47<snogglethorpe>and the cases where you're updating rather than copying from scratch, rsync is a win
20:48<snogglethorpe>... and since you always use rsync for everything else, even if the data's kinda huge and rsync is a little slower, rsync's probably still a win simply 'cause you dont' have to spend time worrying about getting the command-line arguments right
20:48<digitsm2>plugwash, I didn't understand your point
20:48<snogglethorpe>"premature optimization" and all that... :]
20:48<digitsm2>snogglethorpe, Yeah, you're right
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20:49<snogglethorpe>but if you're transferring your entire 1TB disk, I gues it makes sense to spend some time up front getting the most optimal method... :]
20:49<plugwash> I strongly recommend everybody to read this article. This article shows why "bbcp+tar" and "netcat+tar" is faster than rsync. The author could even reach the speed of 85MB/s over a Gbit ethernet!!! <-- I don't see any indication of WHAT article you are telling us to read
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20:50<tim__>thanks everyone, for the help
20:50<tim__>I am going to bed now, good night
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20:51<digitsm2>plugwash, You couldn't find the point I was referring to? It's under section 4.1. bbcp
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20:53<digitsm2>Oh my problem. I mean this article:
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20:56<CompWizrd>85MB/s sounds pretty slow for gbit to me, too
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20:58<plugwash>Also speed isn't everything, for example using multiple streams will make your transfers over a network with other users faster but it will also increase the impact on those other users.
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21:00<Vikinger>trying to install qt
21:00<digitsm2>CompWizrd: 85MByte/S = 680mb/s. It's near the link speed of 1gbps
21:00<Vikinger>i got error 127, command not find
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21:02<blast007>Vikinger: what command did you run to install qt?
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21:05<Vikinger>blast007: i downloaded the package and im doing the tipical, configure make make install
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21:06<blast007>Vikinger: what are you trying to do, exactly?
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21:06<Vikinger>blast007: i get this error when im doing ./configure
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21:07<blast007>Vikinger: no, I mean, why are you trying to compile qt?
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21:07<kevix>and not apt-get it
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21:08<Vikinger>blast007: before i installed it with apt-get, and then i made a small window widget to test, and also got this same error, thats why i decided to compile, but i came across the same error instead
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21:09<kevix>if there is an error with the Debian packages, you might want to check and see if its a known bug
21:09<kevix>and if there is a work-a-round
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21:10<RockI>hello everybody
21:10<themill>Vikinger: full commands and full output would be good. Precisely what packages did you install? There is no package called "qt" in debian.
21:10<SynrG>RockI: do you have a debian support question? that's the topic of this channel.
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21:11<SynrG>for social chat, try #moocows
21:11<SynrG>or that
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21:12<Vikinger>themill: qt4
21:12<themill>no. That's not a debian package either.
21:13<Vikinger>themill: qt4-designer
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21:14<themill>qt4-designer doesn't (necessarily) install the tools to built qt applications. You need libqt4-dev as well. And perhaps additional -dev packages.
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21:16<Vikinger>themill: , how do i know what packages i need ?
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21:16<themill>!b-e Vikinger
21:16<dpkg>Vikinger: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
21:16<Vikinger>themill: by the way libqt4-dev is there
21:16<themill>and probably g++ too
21:17<Vikinger>what will build-essential will install ?
21:18<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
21:18<themill>,depends build-essential
21:18<judd>Package build-essential in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.4.3), g++ (>= 4:4.4.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5).
21:18<themill>that ^^
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21:20<Supaplex>tim__: does any other drive work? there's a debian.exe installer for windows.
21:20<Vikinger>themill: Thank you very much, it works :)
21:22<tim__>Supaplex: no, nothing worked. what debian.exe do you mean?
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21:22<digitsm2>I can't find package 'winetricks' in testing repo. What's the problem?
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21:22<tim__>I saw debian.exe on my live USB, but didn't think much of it
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21:24<digitsm2>I guess maybe the mirror (turkey) I use doesn't have winetrick. How could I change my mirror?
21:24<themill>dpkg: tell digitsm2 about contrib
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21:39<digitsm2>themill, dpkg: You were right, contrib and non-free were not in my sources.list
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21:53<patrickd>Anyone know the magic spell to stop apache2 starting on boot? (I know I can stop it with service apache2 stop)
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21:54<depp>I've been running Sid and aptitude suggests 190 removals when I try to upgrade... how do I deal with this?
21:54<themill>depp: welcome to sid. Wait a few days.
21:54<SamB>digitsm2: dpkg is a bot ;-)
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21:55<depp>themill: I've been waiting a couple weeks already.
21:55<SamB>depp: you could also try using apt-get instead
21:55<themill>perhaps you should put the command and full output in a pastebin
21:56<depp>themill: The command is "aptitude" and then "U". Curses output is not especially helpful.
21:56<themill>do it from the command line then
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21:57<depp>okay, apt-get seems to be fine
21:57<depp>I thought that aptitude was mostly a wrapper around apt-get
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22:56<cogito>Some times when i get to my xfce desktop, there's no wifi and the command "discover" gives me an Unknown device, but usualy i have wifi and discover gives me my wireless adapter instead of the unknown.
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23:42<roller>I have a debian installation from DVD1, when I installed I made a default system partition, a swap partition, and and extra non-system partition
23:43<roller>but when I ls /dev/sd* I get 4 partition + the /dev/sda
23:43<roller>What I know is that sda1 is system partition, sda2 is something I DON'T KNOW, sda5 is swap, and sda6 is my extra non-system partition
23:44<CompWizrd>sda2 an extended partition?
23:44<roller>so how can I figure out what/where is that sda2
23:44<roller>CompWizrd: you mean sda5 and sda6 are parts of sda2?
23:45<themill>the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" might be illustrative
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23:45<roller>"fdisk: command not found"
23:45<adga>execute fdisk -l for view
23:45*roller is going to install fdisk
23:46<adga>execute command "su"
23:46<themill>it's in /sbin
23:46<roller>Got it working now
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23:46<adga>roller, what?
23:47<roller>Yes, the /dev/sda2 is described as "Extended"
23:47<adga>sda1 is primary?
23:47<roller>Thanks guys
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23:47<adga>roller, ok
23:47<roller>Yes it is Primary, although described by fdisk as simply "Linux"
23:48<adga>roller, :)
23:48<roller>Just out of curiosity: is it possible to mount sda2?
23:48<themill>(it's sad that 30 years later we're still dealing with this sort of extended vs primary partition crap)
23:48<roller>I don't understand what is primary vs extended??
23:49<adga>not mount extended partition
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23:49<roller>And is it possible to have all partitions as primary?
23:49<adga>this limit numer partition..... roller
23:50<adga>numer = number
23:50<roller>limit it to how much?
23:50<adga>the limit primary partition is 4
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23:51<roller>That's few.. I see why Extended partitions are used..
23:52<adga>roller, yes
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23:53<roller>Is it possible to make ALL partitions inside extended partition? i.e. no primary partitions?
23:53<CompWizrd>don't think you can boot off that
23:53<CompWizrd>you can actually make no partitions at all though, if it's not being booted from
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23:54<CompWizrd> /dev/sde 11T 6.8T 4.2T 63% /mountpoint is one of mine, for example
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23:55<roller>So, a bootable partition NEEDS to be primary?
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23:55<roller>Will that limit the maximum number of bootable systems to 4?
23:56<roller>Or only the one with the bootloader needs to be primary?
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23:56<CompWizrd>primary partition, and set "active"
23:57<CompWizrd>i don't remember offhand if windows can boot from a logical partition, but i know Linux can, as i do it for my dual boots
23:57<adga>one extended partition is the primary partition can contain multiple logical partitions boot ....
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23:58<adga>roller, you from???
23:58<roller>So, it is possible to have 5 or 6 bootable systems?
23:58*roller is from Iraq.
23:59<adga>roller, i from venezuela
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23:59<roller>Nice to meet you, adga :)
23:59<adga>roller, :)
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