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---Logopened Wed Aug 28 00:00:23 2013
00:01<adga>roller, it's nice to meet people from other Paice
00:01<patrickd>roller: it is possible to have lots of OS running u just need to plan out the space and make sure Windows is the first/second os u install because it doesn't respect the grub boot table
00:02<patrickd>*OS installed
00:02<roller>True, adga.. it is a really interesting thing
00:02<roller>Thanks patrickd.. Windows always pretends to be 'blind' regarding other systems! :/
00:03<patrickd>roller: yup,:(
00:03<patrickd>btw, I'm from Ireland :)
00:04<adga>the name "Windows" renamed "guindos" in Venezuela hahahahahha
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00:05<roller>Nice to meet you patrickd :) I think we are more representative of the world than the UN :P
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00:06<roller>I've issued a dd command on my sda1 to a file on sda6, that should give me a disk image, right?
00:06<patrickd>I've just finished switching my _important_ systems to wheezy!! Now to have a beer and chill :)
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00:06<roller>You run servers, patrickd?
00:07<patrickd>small ones in my own networks. :)
00:07<patrickd>shouldn't u run grup-update or something after dd ?
00:07<Kilsharion>Patrickd, how was the switchover?
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00:08<roller>I have some old computers that I made servers too :)
00:08<adga>roller, want to use dd to clone the partition sda1?
00:08<roller>yes adga
00:08<roller>patrickd: why would I need "grub-update"?
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00:08<patrickd>Kilsharion: Painless, but I've been working towards this day for a while. And all the systems where running some variant of linux before the switch.
00:09<adga>roller, cloning you want to do to another hard drive?
00:09<cogito>Some times when i get to my xfce desktop, there's no wifi and the command "discover" gives me an Unknown device, but usualy i have wifi and discover gives me my wireless adapter instead of the unknown.
00:09<roller>yes, to a file on sda6, adga
00:09<patrickd>roller: so that it updates the partion table to boot from sda1 (or 6) and not the other one
00:09<Kilsharion>Patrickd, good to hear. I'm running older versions of Debian and will be updating all of my servers in the next few weeks.
00:10<roller>I think I've just did it. patrickd: I've used an output file, I didn't output the datat directly to the sda6
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00:10<adga>the comand is dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/media/partitionmounted/file.img
00:10<roller>but it seems that I ran out of space on sda6, the empty space is 0 bytes!
00:11<patrickd>Kilsharion: Good luck, hold everything goes smoothly :)
00:11<adga>roller, the comand is dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/media/partitionmounted/file.img
00:11<roller>adga: and I added: conv=notrunc,noerror
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00:11<roller>adga: and used .iso instead of .img (will that make any difference?)
00:11<inahd>whoah, where am i?
00:12<adga>iso = iso9660 = cd/dvd
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00:12<adga>img = imagefile
00:12<themill>inahd: North Carolina if GeoIP is to be believed.
00:12<Kilsharion>Patrickd, thanks.
00:12<roller>adga: so it will just be confusing to others, but should be functional as an image, right?
00:12<Kilsharion>huh...wonder where my IP puts me...toddles off to look
00:12<inahd>thats pretty creepy themill
00:13<patrickd>Kilsharion: *hope even :)
00:13<guadalupe>somebody know
00:13<guadalupe>how install halo ce
00:13<inahd>err i mean no, thats not where i am in fact...
00:13<adga>roller, yes
00:14<guadalupe>i need learn
00:14<guadalupe>how make to install halo
00:15<adga>roller, if you do not understand me sometimes is that I do not speak much English
00:15<guadalupe>si alguien habla español se lo agradeceria
00:16<roller>adga: Your English is nice and understandable, it is just that I want to be 100% sure of everything :)
00:16<Kilsharion>adga, you are doing well on your English.
00:16<patrickd>Anyone using Yakuake? Is it possible to configure it, so that I can switch "tabs" using the keyboard?
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00:16<roller>What is the package name for "LibreOffice" if I want to totally remove it?
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00:17<themill>patrickd: shift left+right is the default iirc
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00:18<patrickd>roller: at a guess I would say apt-get remove libreoffice ?
00:18<Kilsharion>Guadalupe: ¿Se refiere a CloudPassage (halo)?
00:18<patrickd>themill: Thanks, couldn't seem to find that in the menus.
00:18<roller>patrickd: it said it will free 158KB of disk space, which makes no sense!
00:19<themill>patrickd: failing that, you can always configure shortcuts from the little menu popup on the bottom of the window
00:19<inahd>i am currently using AVlinux, does that count for asking questions about debian here?
00:20<adga>roller, LibreOffice that you want to remove?
00:21<roller>Yes, adga
00:21<roller>with all its components
00:21<adga>apt-get remove libreoffice --purge
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00:22<roller>same thing :/ shouldn't be there a package that links to all other dependencies?
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00:23<adga>roller, yes
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00:23<themill>use aptitude instead
00:23<roller>I'll try aptitude
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00:24<adga>roller, ok
00:25<roller>I've found the list of libreoffice stuff in aptitude, but I'm not sure how/where to remove them :/
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00:25<roller>Wait, I've just found the menus :P
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00:26<adga>roller, ¬¬
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00:29<roller>how can I check the free disk space?
00:29<adga>roller, yes
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00:30<adga>roller, you speak spanish?
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00:31<roller>adga: No, just Arabic and English
00:31<roller>I remember there was a command called "fd" or something for free disk space??
00:33<inahd>i am having a very annoying and seemingly immaculate sound output problem... :(
00:33<Kilsharion>roller: I think you mean 'df' which displays free diskspace, it doesn't provide it.
00:34<roller>Right Kilsharion, thanks
00:35<adga>Here in Venezuela the time is 23:58 midnight is going to rest
00:35<Kilsharion>it's 22:35, here...and, my husband is making noises that I should be going to bed, as well
00:35<roller>adga: Good night ^_^
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00:36<roller>Here in Iraq, it is 7:35 AM so it is morning :)
00:36<Kilsharion>**grins** roller, according to my notes on removing libreoffice
00:36<Kilsharion>apt-get remove --purge libreoffice* should be working
00:37<adga>roller: O.o 7:35AM
00:37<roller>Kilsharion: I believe aptitude could remove it (along with many much other packages!)
00:37<roller>adga: :P
00:37<roller>adga: we are GMT+3 here
00:38<Kilsharion>most likely :) just find it curious that apt-get isn't working for you
00:38<themill>Kilsharion: careful, apt-get takes regexes not globs
00:38<roller>It worked on a single package that had only 158KB, Kilsharion
00:38<adga>roller: :P
00:39<roller>And I believe that aptitude removed some unrelated package like gedit!
00:39<adga>goodbye..... -.- zZzZzZ
00:39<Kilsharion>night adga
00:39<roller>Goodbye and sweet dreams adga
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00:45<inahd>without meaning to be a bother, could someone help me get sound out of my speakers?
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00:46<roller>inahd: I don't have good knowledge about sound issues, but I remember I had once solved a problem by playing audio files as root using sudo!
00:47<inahd>ohh yeah, someone suggested i might have fiddled with something in my user account...
00:48<inahd>i guess i shall log out momentarily
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00:52<inahd>welp, that didn't work...
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00:52<inahd>out of curiosity, why would it not be smart to run irc as root?
00:53<roller>inahd: I'd suggest creating a new users and trying to play audio from there, to see if it is a user account problem
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00:53<inahd>i tried from root account...
00:53<inahd>but that wouldn't hurt to try surely
00:54<roller>inahd: about IRC and root, your client configuration files will be stored for root account instead of your user account. And you will allow your client to perform anything it likes to your system
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00:55<inahd>what nefarious things would my client do to my system?
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00:55<roller>It depends on how it is programmed I believe!
00:56<inahd>it was definitely programmed to tell me its stupid to run it as root :P
00:56<roller>That was nice move from developers :P
00:57<inahd>alright, signing off to try a new user account
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01:04<roller>I've just messed up my whole Debian installation, fortunately it is on VBox and I've got a backup snapshot :)
01:04*roller would try fixing the system without the snapshot, just as a form of challenge!
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01:05<enod>darn, not that simple sadly
01:06<enod>this is one of those things thats got me checking my cables over and over again, even though everything is connected...
01:07<enod>sorry, this is inahd again
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01:08<roller>Oh, hello enod/inahd
01:08<enod>hey :)
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01:09<roller>If I were you, I'd try a LiveCD to check if it is a hardware/cables problem or system-settings problem
01:10<enod>i dual boot to other operating systems it works with
01:10<enod>but still... always gotta check the cables repeatedly and curse for good measure
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02:55<Powermaniac>Hi, I'm having trouble with Debian 7.0 KDE which I haven't experienced with Debian before. That being for whatever reason my tp tl-wn821n v3 WiFi adapter is not working...I've installed the necessary firmware HTC_7010.few in /lib/firmware/ and it does work in Windows 7. It also worked fine in Debian Gnome and Debian Xfce. So yeah I'm not sure what to do.
02:55<Powermaniac>So any help would be appreciated.
02:56<sett>hi, i need help. i've shared a folder with samba and there's a symlink to an a ntfs partition in the folder. but remote system can't acces it due to rights. how to i set them?
02:59<Powermaniac>Wait seeing as it's a fresh install I might as well reinstall Debian again...
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03:00<musca>Powermaniac: is it a usb device?
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03:01<musca>sett: no crossposts, please.
03:01<chealer>!tell Powermaniac about doesn't work
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03:01<sett>musca> problem solved, directlys haring the ntfs worked
03:02<sett>musca, sorry
03:02<Powermaniac>Musca: yeah it's a USB device
03:02<Powermaniac>I'm just reinstalling everything fastest way to fix things hopefully
03:03<musca>Powermaniac: lsusb -nn | grep -i wireless
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03:44<Powermaniac>So that didn't work....Reinstalling Debian KDE that is and ass
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03:44<Powermaniac>Assuming the wifi firmware would eork
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04:03<musca>Powermaniac: lsusb -nn | grep -i wireless
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04:06<Powermaniac>Musca: Can you check that command is correct as -nn is giving me an invalid option error.
04:07<musca>right, lsusb is sufficient
04:08<musca>which ID has your device?
04:08<Powermaniac>So just lsusb | grep -i wireless instead?
04:09<Powermaniac>ID 0cf3: 7015
04:09<Powermaniac>Is that the ID you wanted
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04:12<Powermaniac>lsusb | grep -i wireless didn't seem to do anything either by the way.
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04:19<musca>Powermaniac: is it possible, that you manually select the line of text and present it here?
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04:25<musca>Powermaniac: chances are that it's an Atheros chip.
04:25<dpkg>ath9k_htc is a Linux kernel driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010-based 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide.
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04:26<musca>Powermaniac: I wonder, if you fetched the right firmware. What shows up in dmesg after inserting the device?
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04:26<musca>Powermaniac: please use
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04:30<|DB|BR4D>so confused
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04:33<Powermaniac>Musca: Sorry got distracted. Pastebin'ing isn't really possible as currently I'm using my Nexus 7 tablet to use IRC.
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04:35<Powermaniac>Teraflops: are you talking to me?
04:36<musca>Powermaniac: and what about firmware-atheros ? ist this package from non-free installed?
04:36<musca>!atheros firmware
04:36<dpkg>Firmware from userspace is required by the <ar9170usb>, <ath9k_htc> and <ath3k> USB device drivers. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-atheros package to provide; this package is not required for use of any Atheros PCI/PCIe device. Firmware for the <carl9170> driver is provided by the firmware-linux-free package.
04:36<teraflops>no Powermaniac i forgot the "/"
04:38<Powermaniac>Musca: the firmware I'm using is HTC_7010.fw as that is what I used in Debian Xfce and Debian Gnome
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04:39<Powermaniac>Musca: I put the .few in /lib/firmware with Gnome and it worked, whereas with Xfce it asked for the firmware when I was installing so I used my USB that contained it and it copied it off of there.
04:39<musca>and what about dmesg, can you confirm that the device is successful initialised?
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04:40<Powermaniac>Last line of dmesg says: USB 6-1.4: ath9k_htc : USB layer initialised
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04:41<Powermaniac>When I disconnect it, it quit obviously changes to saying that the WiFi adapter is not connected...
04:41<Powermaniac>Side question let's say it is working in Debian KDE where the hell do you set up the wireless networks?
04:41<Powermaniac>As I can't even find the option to do that
04:42<Powermaniac>Normally there is a menu on the taskbar or at least in system settings to setup the network but nope.
04:43<musca>Powermaniac: is plasma-widget-networkmanagement installed?
04:44<Powermaniac>Musca: How would I check that?
04:44<musca>dpkg -l | grep plasma-widget-networkmanagement
04:44<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep plasma-widget-networkmanagement
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04:46<Powermaniac>Okay so I entered that and nothing happened besides well nothing and it going to a new prompt.
04:46<musca>so it isn't in the list.
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04:48<Powermaniac>So would the fact this was the amd64 KDE CD I so be the cause of this?
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04:50<musca>no. Network Manager is only one among several options.
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04:50<Powermaniac>So is there a way to connect to a network through say the terminal?
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04:52<musca>classic way is /etc/network/interfaces
04:53<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>.
04:53<Powermaniac>Damn it be back a little later got dinner.
04:53<Powermaniac>Thanks for the help so far
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05:02<Natureshadow>I have a question concerning the NM process. I have been contributing to Debian for some time now, also attended a BSP, and have now added several packages that my sponsor uploaded and that are now in NEW.
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05:03<Natureshadow>I have two advocats that are willing to support my request for becoming a DM, but all of us are a bit confused about how to place this request.
05:03<Natureshadow> obviously describes how to become a new member
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05:03<Natureshadow>But this page only talks about becoming a DD, not a DM for uploading new versions of maintained packages
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06:28<Supaplex>stdhell: @werk I see. Too bad he quit too quick.
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07:03<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I am unable to umount /home
07:03<JacksonIsaac-mobile>it says device busy can anyone help please ?
07:03<stdhell>Are you logged in as yourself?
07:04<stdhell>Then your homedir is in use...
07:04<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I did su
07:04<JacksonIsaac-mobile>oh so what should I do ?
07:04<stdhell>You're still logged in...
07:04<bhuddah>log out, log in as root
07:04<JacksonIsaac-mobile>username will be root right ?
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07:04<JacksonIsaac-mobile>okay :)
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07:05<stdhell>And don't log in as root in X...
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07:06<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Authentication failure
07:06<stdhell>You mistyped roots password.
07:07<stdhell>Eh, yes...
07:07<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I used the root pass only
07:07<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Username root and pass that I set up as that
07:07<stdhell>Is caps lock on?
07:08<bhuddah>root access locked?
07:08<stdhell>Then su shouldn't have worked...
07:08<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I used the pass that I use for su
07:09<stdhell>You do mean su, right? Not sudo.
07:09<bhuddah>maybe root has no associated shell.
07:09<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Yup su
07:09<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I am trying to extend my / partition
07:09<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I resized the disk on vbox but I can't see it in fdisk
07:10<bhuddah>what has this to do with your /home?
07:10<stdhell>Roots homedir is usually on /. Consider using a live CD instead, so / ain't mounted.
07:11<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I am shrinking home to root
07:11<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I had installed using dvd
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07:20<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Is there any other way I can extend the / partition
07:23<bhuddah>JacksonIsaac-mobile: which filesystem?
07:24<stdhell>JacksonIsaac-mobile: Did you manage to shrink (and move) /home so you have space?
07:24<bhuddah>you can to online extension if you allocate more storage
07:25<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I can't shrink it
07:25<JacksonIsaac-mobile>As it is not unnounting
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07:26<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I added 3gb on vbox debian.vdi but I can't see the extra space in disk utility
07:26<bhuddah>JacksonIsaac-mobile: try to find out why you can't log in as root.
07:27<zeev>Hi, if I place 700 permissions on /etc - can it break something?
07:27<mshuler>zeev: yes
07:27<zeev>for example...
07:27<mshuler>zeev: only root will be able to read configs - there are all kinds of things that need to read configs
07:28<mshuler>your own user loging in, for example.. needs to read configs
07:28<Stummi>zeev, for example nsswitch.conf
07:28<Stummi>there are serval applications reading this config
07:28<mshuler>apache would never start.. any number of things
07:28<zeev>ok, thank you
07:28<zeev>musca: what do you mean?
07:28<Stummi>zeev, just let the permissions in /etc as they came from debian
07:29<Stummi>debian ships its packages as secure as possible without breaking something
07:29<musca>your shell reads this
07:29<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I have only my user in user settings
07:29<Stummi>every config files which contains sensitive data are 600 already
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07:30<zeev>actually I want to block something in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/90-mandatory.d/
07:30<zeev>I want to add something there and make it unreadable - does this mean it will useless?
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07:31<zeev>will polkit be able to read it?
07:31<bhuddah>JacksonIsaac-mobile: maybe you should read some additional documentation on linux...
07:31<Stummi>zeev, why do you want to add an unreadable configuration file?
07:31<JacksonIsaac-mobile>can you share any link or something ?
07:32<zeev>Stummi: in order to hide some configuration details
07:32<zeev>Stummi: the question is - will polkit be able to read it? is run as root?
07:33<Stummi>I don't know. try it and see
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07:38<manira>¿alguien habla español?
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07:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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07:40<fiamma>I'm new on debian
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07:40<Vikinger>i want to install a package from apt, but i need to know first the version, what is the apt command ?
07:40<fiamma>Can you help me?
07:40<Vikinger>what is it fiama ?
07:40<fiamma>Sorry for my english but Im italian
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07:40<XReaper>fiamma: sure
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07:40<fiamma>I want to open a file java
07:40<XReaper>Vikinger: i think it was apt-cache search
07:40<GoodLuck>what is the default DE for debian?
07:41<XReaper>fiamma: you'll need to install the java
07:41<XReaper>GoodLuck: i think it was gnome3?
07:41<fiamma>I have Openjdk 7
07:41<Vikinger>XReaper i know about that command but it doesnt give me the version of that package
07:41<fiamma>But not work
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07:41<XReaper>fiamma: you got the jre?
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07:41<XReaper>should install both :/
07:41<fiamma>Emh no
07:41<fiamma>I dont have jre
07:42<GoodLuck>which works better with Debian and its policies, LXDE or Mate?
07:42<XReaper>openjdk-7-jre is what you run stuff with
07:42<XReaper>GoodLuck: I haven't used Mate but i like LXDE
07:42<GoodLuck>is it a problem that LXDE is switching to qt?
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07:43<GoodLuck>who owns qt? Nokia?
07:43<Vikinger>qt is also open source
07:43<fiamma>Emh xreaper how do i?
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07:44<XReaper>Vikinger: oo, apt-cache show pkgname
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07:44<XReaper>fiamma: with apt 'apt-get install openjdk-7-jre' as root or sudo
07:44<GoodLuck>XReaper, yeah i like LXDE because it doesn't have bloat like Ubuntu Unity which as ads to make you buy stuff like on the Ubuntu software center, Ubuntu One, Rhythmbox, Amazon... etc
07:45<XReaper>GoodLuck: even though those can be disabled... by the time you've done that you could have installed LXDE XD
07:45<GoodLuck>does Debian install Zeitgeist and geoclue by default?
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07:46<fiamma>emh can you help me?
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08:01<lupine>hmmmm. I'm trying to get hold of a libev3-dbg style package
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08:02<lupine>(from squeeze)
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08:23<lupine>hah. that was (relatively) easy
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08:44<JacksonIsaac-mobile>after apt-get update I did this : But when I do -f install some error comes up as the root partition is low on space
08:44<JacksonIsaac-mobile>now I can't even install anything using apt-get can anyone help ?
08:44<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I had ran dist-upgrade
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08:45<bhuddah>JacksonIsaac-mobile: why are you trying to upgrade when you know you don't have enough space?
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08:46<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I had done it yesterday and I didn't notice that I have low space as before also I had successfully dist-upgrade
08:46<JacksonIsaac-mobile>but this time I can't do anything
08:47<bhuddah>JacksonIsaac-mobile: can you please fix your partition sizes first?
08:47<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I am having issues with that
08:48<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I added a primary slave too and did echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan
08:48<JacksonIsaac-mobile>but I think it can't detect the disk
08:48<bhuddah>JacksonIsaac-mobile: worst case: try a reboot. that'll work
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08:49<devil_>JacksonIsaac-mobile: apt-get clean might help temporarly
08:49<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I tried that too
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08:50<JacksonIsaac-mobile>autoclean and cleared /tmp and /var/log too
08:50<bhuddah>and empty the apt cache to gain more free space
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08:51<patryk>hi all
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08:58<paulio>Hello I have Debian 6 with ISC DHCP server. I have problem with long time for get IP from DHCP on Win 7.
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08:59<paulio>Cca 30 sec.
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09:04<weasel>paulio: are you sure it's not a switch issue?
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09:29<JacksonIsaac-mobile>bhuddah: Hey I succesfully resized it with help from koxbox :)
09:29<bhuddah>JacksonIsaac-mobile: great. whatever koxbox may be...
09:29<JacksonIsaac-mobile>And also succesfully apt-get -f install
09:30<JacksonIsaac-mobile>he is a user here :)
09:30<bhuddah>aaah :)
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09:49<dpkg>matteo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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09:52<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I am getting this as grub menu can anyone help me with this ?
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09:55<musca>did you press the 'c'-key?
09:56<JacksonIsaac-mobile>see this one :
09:56<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I did dist-upgrade and then after reboot this came up
09:56<bhuddah>do you have a separate boot partition, JacksonIsaac-mobile ?
09:57<JacksonIsaac-mobile>yes I think so
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09:57<JacksonIsaac-mobile>bhuddah: this is my df -h
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09:59<bhuddah>can you please paste /boot/grub/grub.cfg
09:59<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I cant start debian
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09:59<JacksonIsaac-mobile>grub menu is not coming up
09:59<bhuddah>just boot from cd
09:59<JacksonIsaac-mobile>only this scrren is coming up
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10:01<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: as I suggested yesterday, personally, I would back up your data and re-install fresh with a sane partition layout (everything on one, non-LVM partition). Reading the backlog a bit, I understand this is a VirtualBox VM? Create a new VM for goodness sake. You'll be a whole lot happier, in my opinion.
10:02<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I have resized everything and it worked fine this happened after the linux-image-3-10-2 update
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10:04<JacksonIsaac-mobile>how can I boot into debian now ?
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10:06<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: you'll need to boot into rescue mode from the install CD and fix things - for instance re-install grub, chroot into / and mount all your partitions, then look at broken packages (like linux-image didn't install properly), etc. It's rescue time.
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10:06<JacksonIsaac-mobile>it remove 3.10.1 from the packages
10:06<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: or install fresh :)
10:06<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I tried to install it but it didn't
10:06<JacksonIsaac-mobile>mshuler: I can't all my work is there
10:07<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: with no backups?
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10:07<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I backed up /home
10:07<JacksonIsaac-mobile>but again I will have to update from wheezy to sid which takes lot of time :(
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10:07<mshuler>then it's safe to say you could restore that data anywhere, JacksonIsaac-mobile
10:08<mshuler>JacksonIsaac-mobile: install testing!
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10:08<JacksonIsaac-mobile>mshuler: I had installed it but I had some issue with it
10:08<JacksonIsaac-mobile>the kernel won't load up in it
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10:08<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I had posted it here long back
10:08<JacksonIsaac-mobile>someone suggested to update from stable to unstable then testing
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10:09<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: Um... that's not a good idea. You could go from stable to testing, but avoid unstable.
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10:10<JacksonIsaac-mobile>oh okay
10:10<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: And technically, testing isn't supported here
10:10<JacksonIsaac-mobile>is there a way I can rescue now? have a DVD iso
10:10<mshuler>boot it - pick rescue mode
10:11<JacksonIsaac-mobile>but it is of wheezy btw and I update to sid using dist-upgrade is it okay?
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10:11<Maulkin>No, don't do that
10:11<Maulkin>sid is unstable.
10:12<Maulkin>Jessie is testing
10:12<JacksonIsaac-mobile>so what should I boot from now
10:12<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Maulkin: I have sid running currently which broke due to update
10:13<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: Yes, Sid does that. That's why it's called unstable
10:13<JacksonIsaac-mobile>the grub broke down I mean
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10:14<Maulkin>So, boot the dvd, pick rescue mode
10:15<JacksonIsaac-mobile>selected rescue mode
10:15<JacksonIsaac-mobile>some things are loading up
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10:16<JacksonIsaac-mobile>will it install debian again?
10:16<JacksonIsaac-mobile>the DVD is of wheezy
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10:18<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Maulkin: it is asking network configuration and all. Is it reinstalling ?
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10:19<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: not if you selected rescue mode
10:19<JacksonIsaac-mobile>should I put in hostname domain name and all
10:20<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I am rescuing sid with wheezy DVD
10:22<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: Select your root device.
10:22<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Maulkin: /dev/debian/root right ?
10:23<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: Possibly... I don't really know how you set up your system I'm adraid.
10:23<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Maulkin: this is my df -h
10:24<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: Yeah, but that's of the CD, not the hard drive.
10:24<JacksonIsaac-mobile>this was of hd
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10:25<JacksonIsaac-mobile>I took this before resizing
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10:26<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: you may be much quicker reinstalling at this rate.
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10:27<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Rescue is better than reinstallign and I will have to setup everything again :(
10:27<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: So, press enter. And then you should be able to install grub or whatever
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10:27<Maulkin>ie: undo what you broke
10:27<JacksonIsaac-mobile>Execute shell in root
10:28<JacksonIsaac-mobile> the shell is up
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10:29<Maulkin>Good. So now you can undo whatever you broke to get there
10:29<JacksonIsaac-mobile>what should I check now ?
10:29<Maulkin>15:06 < mshuler> JacksonIsaac-mobile: you'll need to boot into rescue mode from the
10:29<Maulkin> install CD and fix things - for instance re-install grub, chroot
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10:29<Maulkin> into / and mount all your partitions, then look at broken packages
10:29<Maulkin> (like linux-image didn't install properly), etc. It's rescue time.
10:30<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac-mobile: It could be anything. I can't really lead you by the hand through every stage I'm afraid. I would suggest re-installing.
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10:42<JacksonIsaac-mobile>got an error on update-grub
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10:45<ardex>need some help with the Meta and Compose keys using setxkbmap.
10:45<mshuler>JacksonIsaac: you never mounted /boot.........
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10:47<mshuler>JacksonIsaac: this is where reading the errors, perhaps searching for hints via TehGoogle, and making some educated guesses would be a great path to helping yourself
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10:48<JacksonIsaac>Oh sorry forgot about that
10:50<ardex>what are Meta and Compose keys supposed to do?
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10:51<mshuler>ardex: in what context?
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10:52<ardex>in general text I\i/o
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10:54<mshuler>ardex: are you talking about hardware (I have these keys on my keyboard) or software (I see these mentioned in XYZ application) - that's what I mean by context
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10:56<ardex>I have an older keyboard. 104 keys and have to map the Alt and Meta functions
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10:56<giancarloubuntu_>ciao a tutti
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10:56<dpkg>giancarloubuntu_: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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10:59<ardex>I'll dig it on the web. thanks.
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11:01<mshuler>aww.. I wanted to know more.. (/me loves classic hardware)
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11:02<babilen>mshuler: I still have no idea what ardex wanted to achieve, but I guess we have to live with that
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11:02<mshuler>probably just mapping dead keys :)
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11:09<nocturnal>not sure how useful this is but is there a tiling wm that tries to use xrender? and is that even useful to get a more responsive feeling out of the ui?
11:10<nocturnal>I'm using ratpoison currently and I know my graphics card is supported by Xorg so I would like ratpoison to be more responsive.
11:10<nocturnal>using the radeon driver
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11:11<nocturnal>oh after googling I realize I probably haven't enabled dri
11:12<sney>dri is enabled by default when you have the standard debian xorg configuration (no xorg.conf)
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11:12<sney>or rather, it's enabled by default when the driver supports it, which radeon does.
11:12<nocturnal>I don't have the standard config anymore
11:12<nocturnal>I will look into it
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11:12<sney>also, radeon performs better when the non-free driver firmware is added, via the firmware-linux-nonfree package
11:12<nocturnal>I see, thanks
11:13<sney>if you have mesa-utils installed, run 'gxlinfo |grep render' and it'll tell you whether dri is enabled
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11:16<sney>sorry, that's glxinfo
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11:18<babilen>dpkg: tell nocturnal -about radeon
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11:18<nocturnal>yes it's enabled
11:18<babilen>nocturnal: And just don't use a /etc/X11/xorg.conf (deprecated)
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11:19<nocturnal>no I've in fact used xorg.conf.d
11:19<nocturnal>but I generated one file first
11:19<nocturnal>and then split it
11:20<nocturnal>just to follow the standards
11:20<nocturnal>seemed like that was how it was done now
11:20<nocturnal>and really all I have is one file for synaptics, and one for screen.
11:20<babilen>The standard is to have no configuration file (or files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/) and simply let Xorg configure itsef
11:20<nocturnal>yes but Xorg didn't configure my touch pad
11:21<nocturnal>it did however set the best resolution so I don't need the screen part
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11:21<babilen>yes, there are good exceptions and valid use cases. It simply sounded as if the entirety of your files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ combined would be a complete /etc/X11/xorg.conf (simply split)
11:21<nocturnal>I meant to say that I started from X -configure output
11:21<nocturnal>and used only what I wanted
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11:25<nocturnal>I realize now that this computer does not even have radeon, it's an intel card. I use the mesa driver.
11:25<nocturnal>I confused it with another
11:25<nocturnal>but it doesn't matter, dri is enabled now
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11:26<nocturnal>intel driver*
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11:43<Cid>Hello everybody
11:43<Cid>I have debian wheezy, and I'm trying to implement a series of jobs with cron at hourly level (every 4 hours for example)
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11:43<Cid>I've already read all the man pages related to cron/anacron, and I noticed that debian employs anacron as default
11:44<Cid>Trying to understand practically how it works, I looked for jobs already put in place by debian, but crontab -l results empty (being it my user, root, or any other). For example, I wasn't able to locate the freshclam job automatically put in place when installing clamav (I am sure that there's one, as per logs)
11:44<mshuler>Cid: 'man 5 crontab' - that has lot of good info
11:44<Cid>So, I'm at a dead end...I do not understand how to set the system up: where should I put the command, in crontab or anacrontab?
11:44<bhuddah>Cid: have you looked in /etc/cron.d and /etc/cron.*?
11:44<JacksonIsaac>guys I am getting this error:
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11:45<Cid>yep, bhuddah, I did
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11:45<bhuddah>and? nothing there?
11:45<Cid>and mshuler, I already printed them
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11:45<JacksonIsaac>bhuddah: can you help me with the above error ^
11:45<sney>JacksonIsaac: what's the output of apt-cache policy linux-base
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11:45<Cid>in cron.d there's an anacron text file
11:46<bhuddah>Cid: basically you are free to choose where to put it. use crontab -e or put a file in /etc/cron.d
11:46<Cid>oki...but my question then is, will be cron or anacron to handle them?
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11:47<bhuddah>JacksonIsaac: please try apt-get install -f
11:47<gijs>question for the forum. I have an AMD athlon CPU with 512M RAM, what is the best image, the I386 or the amd 64?
11:47<bhuddah>JacksonIsaac: if that does not work. try apt-get install -f linux-base
11:47<beojan>if it's a 64 bit cpu, I'd say amd64
11:48<peter1138>"AMD Athlon" is pretty vague.
11:48<mshuler>Cid: I've never used anacrontabs - it is basically cron, but using "periods" instead of actual time - to me, using actual time (crontab) is easier :)
11:48<JacksonIsaac>it's 32bit
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11:49<sney>gijs: if it's an athlon64 then amd64 will work, but you won't get any benefits from it. if it's a pre-64 athlon then you need i386
11:49<sney>gijs: either way I'd say use i386
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11:49<JacksonIsaac>depends libuuid-perl but it is not going to install
11:49<Cid>eh, even for me,, to use cron, I create an entry with crontab -e (-u if to specify a different user)
11:49<sney>JacksonIsaac: please pastebin your sources.list and 'apt-cache policy'.
11:49<gijs>not 100% sure it's an 64 bit cpu, so guess if I try to install a 64bit image it will fail?
11:50<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac: Unstable is broken
11:50<sney>gijs: correct, it wouldn't even boot
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11:50<Cid>and then, the script to be executed, should I put it in /var/spool/cron/crontabs or where?
11:50<Maulkin>sney: perl-base 5.18 transition is making kernels uninstallable
11:50<sney>weird, didn't happen to me
11:50<sney>did that just start?
11:50<Maulkin>sney: Yeah, today it seems
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11:50<sney>I guess updating yesterday was a good decision
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11:51<beojan>It was a great day to pick to install debian sid
11:51<mshuler>Cid: exactly (on crontab -e) - they will be put in /v/s/c/crontabs automagically
11:51<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac: Hence another reason for a) resinstall and b) not using unstable, as I suggested earlier
11:51<sney>did you link him the sid faq
11:51<JacksonIsaac>Maulkin: install wheezy and upgrade to jessie ?
11:51<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac: yes
11:51<sney>or just use wheezy until development calms down a little
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11:52<Maulkin>sney: He'd already installed it...
11:52<sney>jessie is not super predictable either. furthermore, the sid/jessie support channel is #debian-next, not here
11:52<mshuler>Cid: unless the user is specified in the file (man 5 crontab), root will be the user for files placed under /etc/cron.d (or .daily, etc)
11:52<sney>JacksonIsaac: you should really read this if you are going to use testing OR unstable
11:52<JacksonIsaac>sney: I need the latest packages for ruby packaging so
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11:52<gijs>ok will stick to the i386 for the time being
11:52<gijs>also have issues with guess gnome
11:52<gijs>a complete install went fine, boot up without an issue and after last driver loaded (bluetooth) the screen goes plack
11:52<gijs>with ctrl/alt/del I can shut the system more or less gracefulle down
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11:53<sney>wow, that was some lag
11:53<mshuler>Cid: start with 'crontab -e' if these are to be run as your own system user and go from there :)
11:53<Cid>ok, mshuler...going to try that! I was confused by the anacron thing, and not being able to locate the freshclam entry got things worse...
11:54<JacksonIsaac>sney: apt-cache policy
11:54<sney>JacksonIsaac: yeah, it's due to the perl transition Maulkin mentioned. you could wait. it'll probably be resolved in a bit
11:55<Cid>mshuler: thanks a lot! ;)
11:56<JacksonIsaac>sney: so after some time can this be fixed?
11:56<JacksonIsaac>I think kernel is missing from /boot :(
11:56<mshuler>Cid: to find your freshclam cron file, 'dpkg -L clamav-freshclam | grep cron'
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11:56<mshuler>it could be hourly, daily, ...
11:56<sney>JacksonIsaac: that's how sid works. it breaks, and then it works again. if this is a new install, then follow Maulkin's instructions and install wheezy; you can then upgrade to testing or sid later if you want. (after you read the sid faq at least)
11:57<Cid>from logs, I noticed it's hourly, but no trace of it in etc/cron.hourly nor in /var/spool/...
11:57<JacksonIsaac>sney: okay :) I had installed wheezy then upgraded to sid using dist-upgrade
11:57<edj>Using nvidia graphics. KDM starts, but upon login, rather than the desktop, KDM just reappears. Xorg.0.log shows a failure to load module "nv". I have nouveau installed and the module is loaded. I have no idea why the attempt to load nv. Any advice appreciated.
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11:57<JacksonIsaac>then yesterday again I did dist-upgrade and crashed
11:57<dpkg>well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
11:59<Cid>in fact, that returns no results, while dpkg -L clamav-freshclam only, it seems it's in the init.d
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11:59<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac: yeah. Don't run sid.
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12:00<JacksonIsaac>can I recover it after they update the perl thing ?
12:00<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac: Considering I had to walk you through D-I to get to rescue mode, you really, really shoudn't run sid.
12:00<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac: It may be a couple of weeks.
12:00<mshuler>Cid: ah, sounds like freshclam is a daemon, then :) - sorry for the misinformation
12:00<JacksonIsaac>Maulkin: it was my first time so I was doubtful about it
12:01<Cid>mshuler: no problem at all, Sir!! You have been really helpful!
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12:01<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac: Again, that indicates you shoudn't run sid :)
12:02<JacksonIsaac>I had to run sid for packages that where deps of my package, so had to update to sid
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12:02<Maulkin>No you didn't. You could have run a backport.
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12:03<Maulkin>JacksonIsaac: have you read the sid faq yet?
12:03<JacksonIsaac>yup I read it
12:03<JacksonIsaac>I didn't knew about it :(
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12:38<franck_>help --
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13:31<gengsy>is there have people
13:31<dex>hi, can somebody tell me how can I erase a CDRW with the linux console?? don't know which is my device in /dev/
13:31<XReaper>there is have people
13:31<XReaper>i am have person
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13:32<XReaper>dex: hmm...
13:32<chickoo>good morning/evening all
13:32<gengsy>can you speak chinese
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13:32<XReaper>isn't it /dev/cdblah
13:32<XReaper>i speak/type in english
13:32<mdxzero>I need help, somebody know how to get into a toshiba BIOS, I try everything, searching in handbook but that don't work and searched into web etc. but with no success. somebody have experience with that?
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13:32<Nemoder>dex: lsblk should list the device name
13:32<XReaper>mdxzero: got a model number?
13:33<dex>i see cd cd-create-profile cd-fix-profile and cdrao
13:33<gengsy>woo ..
13:33<dex>does lsblk eject the disc?? cos the tray has opened
13:33<Nemoder>it shouldn't
13:34<mdxzero>XReaper, Satellite L855D-10j
13:34<dex>it has opened
13:34<gengsy>i don't know ..
13:34<Nemoder>mdxzero: have you tried all the common keys on boot: del, f1, f2, f10 ?
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13:34<dex>lsblk show sr0 1024 rom
13:34<mshuler>dpkg: tell gengsy about cn
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13:34<Nemoder>dex: so /dev/sr0 is your cdrom then
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13:34<chickoo>i am having a problem with my USB port
13:34<dex>ok, thank you
13:34<chickoo>getting the following error
13:35<chickoo>new low-speed USB device number 79 using ohci_hcd
13:35<chickoo>new low-speed USB device number 79 using ohci_hcd
13:35<XReaper>mdxzero: got 8 installed, yeah?
13:35<dex>so, cdrecord dev=/dev/sr0 blank=fast should erase my disc, right?
13:35<chickoo>device descriptor read/64, error -62
13:35<ekiwok>I'm on jessie nad I've just installed AMD Catalyst™ 13.8 Beta (kernel 3.10 support) but can login only to gnome3 :|
13:35<ekiwok>I mean gnome classic, I cannot log in to full gnome 3
13:36<mdxzero>XReaper, woz pre installed but I don't need them anymore
13:36<gengsy>我要睡觉了/ I must sleep ...
13:36<chickoo>any help
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13:36<XReaper>mdxzero: i know with UEFI devices, there was a key you had to hold when you turn it on
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13:36<XReaper>might be
13:37<XReaper>whatever it is, it prevents fast boot
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13:37<ekiwok>my 3d acceleration is fine :/
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13:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:39<XReaper>mdxzero: found that one... not sure if applicable
13:39<ekiwok>why do glxgears works but gnome3 does not?
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13:40<franck_>know the information that websites collect my browser
13:40<mdxzero>XReaper, one time I woz into the BIOS, I wrote it down, tried again and it don't worked
13:41<XReaper>it's a pain to get into if fastboot/secureboot isn't disabled
13:41<XReaper>so you've already got debian on it?
13:41<Nemoder>is there a jumper on the mainboard to reset BIOS to default?
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13:42<XReaper>Nemoder: on desktops, yeah
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13:42<XReaper>Nemoder: got your manual?
13:42<Nemoder>i meant for mdxzero if he can't access it
13:42<XReaper>mdxzero: all the google results seem useless :(
13:42<XReaper>Nemoder: heh
13:43<XReaper>it's a magic laptop
13:43<dex>i can not use cdrecord or cdrao and can not install any of them
13:43<Nemoder>if it used to work then logically the defaults make it easier to get into
13:43<Nemoder>dex: try wodim?
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13:46<dex>do i have to be root to erase the disc?
13:46<mdxzero>XReaper, I only have to find out the key, before it worked to boot LINUX but I boot again win8 and can't find the keys
13:46<Nemoder>dex: maybe if your user isn't in the cdrom group
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13:46<XReaper>mdxzero: oo, you still have secure boot enabled?
13:47<mdxzero>but before It woz the adjustment
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13:48<mdxzero>but before It woz the same adjustment
13:49<dex>i get an error message
13:49<dex>i have done wodim dev=/dev/sro blank=fast
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13:50<dex>do i have to umount the cd before??
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13:54<mdxzero>XReaper, secure boot was before enabled too and I can get into the BIOS,
13:55<XReaper>tried the DEL key on boot?
13:55<XReaper>or F2
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13:57<mdxzero>what I tried is at last, hold ESC-key then F1 but before I had luck with the keys CTRL+ALT and ESC and pressed some F-keys
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13:58<Nemoder>on systems where the monitor is too slow to show the boot screen i just spam all the common keys, usually one of them works
13:59<mdxzero>XReaper, do you mean it have something to do with that update which win8 automatic took?
13:59<XReaper>no idea
13:59<mdxzero>me too
13:59<XReaper>mdxzero: did you try the method in the link i posted?
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14:00<mdxzero>XReaper, I will check that out
14:00<dex>there is no way i can erase the cd with wodim dev=/dev/sr0 blank=fast. I am root and i have umounted /dev/sr0, I have the same error message than before
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14:01<ekiwok>gdm3 logs me into gnome classic, I dont know how to fix this issue
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14:05<dex>can somebody help me to erase the cdrw?
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14:06<ixi>wodim -vv -blank=fast
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14:06<ixi>or something like that
14:06<ixi>see man wodim
14:06<ekiwok>can anyone help me with fixing 3d acceleration?
14:08<dex>ok, i'll try
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14:10<ekiwok>when I'm doing glxinfo | grep render I get
14:10<ekiwok>Setting of real/effective user Id to 0/0 failed
14:10<ekiwok>libGL error: open uki failed (Operation not permitted)
14:10<ekiwok>libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering
14:10<ekiwok>direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
14:10<ekiwok>OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon HD 8670D
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14:11<ekiwok>why do my 3d acceleration does not work? :(
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14:13<mshuler>dpkg: tell ekiwok about radeon
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14:14<ekiwok>mshuler apparently I am familiar with google and all I can find on debian wiki didn't help me
14:14<ekiwok>it's why I
14:15<ekiwok>I'm asking for help here
14:15<musca>ekiwok: don't run them as root
14:16<ekiwok>musca, them whom?
14:16<musca>your glx apps
14:17<ekiwok>I run them as ordinary user
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14:17<ekiwok>and I got: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
14:18<musca>please provide your /var/log/Xorg.0.log per
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14:19<musca>Radeon HD 8670D is a quite new model, isn't it?
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14:21<ekiwok>yes it's, I had it worked with 3.2 kernel but I dist-upgraded to 3.10 because of alsa issue
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14:25<musca>ekiwok: how did you install fglrx?
14:25<musca>which version is it?
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14:26<jello>hi, i'm having a weird problem with ssh -- i can run remote commands successfully (eg. ssh host ps -ef), but interactive commands just hang (eg. hang at shell prompt). any ideas?
14:27<ekiwok>musa, I've installed propertiary amd beta driver because AFAIK it's the only one supporting 3.10 kernel
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14:28<ekiwok>musca, these are errors I get while running glxgears:
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14:29<mshuler>jello: using verbose ssh may help see what's happening: ssh -vv host or ssh -vvv host
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14:30<jello>mshuler: doesn't give me much to go on. it launches the shell successfully and i get the shell's prompt, but it hangs after that
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14:30<mshuler>ekiwok: looks like you installed i386 drivers on 3.2.0-4-amd64 (?)
14:30<sole>im geting an echoing sound
14:30<ekiwok>mshuler, does it mean I need to make it multiarch?
14:30<sole>and static with it
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14:31<stderr>ekiwok: What's the problem? It seems it's trying to open the i386 version of the library. That fails. It then tries to open the x86_64 version of the library.
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14:32<ekiwok>stderr, problem is 3d acceleration does not work
14:32<mshuler>good catch stderr - didn't see that next line
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14:33<stderr>I think line 6 is the real error.
14:33<stderr>ekiwok: Do you have /proc/ati/major?
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14:33<ekiwok>stderr, I do
14:34<stderr>jello: Does "ssh host bash" work? If not, does it work with another shell, e.g. tcsh?
14:34<ekiwok>stderr, it's set to 444 and is empty
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14:35<jello>stderr: i tried dash, same result, i get a prompt and then nothing/hang
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14:36<jello>if i try a command using sudo, i get the password prompt and then a hang
14:36<jello>very frustrating...
14:37<stderr>jello: I'm wondering if maybe it could be your .profile or something like that causing the problems. Do you have any shells installed that doesn't use .profile?
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14:38<jello>stderr: isn't .profile processed before showing the shell prompt?
14:38<mshuler>jello: so you have sudo on the box? 'ssh -v host sudo tail /var/log/auth.log' and see if there are any sshd hints
14:38<stderr>ekiwok: I'm don't have any 3D acceleration stuff, so I don't know what the permissions should be.
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14:39<ekiwok>stderr if I set this to 777 error is the same... I need 3d acceleration mostly for gnome3
14:39<stderr>jello: It is, but maybe something in your .profile messes with stdin.
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14:40<micki>who is german?
14:40<stderr>mshuler: If it hangs when he tries using sudo, I don't think that will work.
14:40<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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14:41<mshuler>jello: you said commands via ssh works - just not interactive shell, correct?
14:42<ekiwok>here is my install log: brb
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14:43<jello>mshuler: yes, i moved .profile out of the way and it didn't help
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14:45<mshuler>jello: moving .bashrc might not hurt either - what have you got to lose :)
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14:45<stderr>jello: "... or something like that"... That includes .login, .bash_login, /etc/profile, ... :-/
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14:46<mshuler>jello: is this the *only* access to the server? Is this a VM with some provider that has a way to access the console or a physical box that someone could help with?
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14:46<ekiwok>and my xorg.conf
14:46<jello>mshuler: i thought of that, however this is my mail server and i forgot my hosting password so i can't reset it...
14:47<jello>unless you know someone at that can help me...
14:47<jello>i guess it's murphy's law -- when something goes wrong, everything around it starts collapsing
14:47<mshuler>fwiw, ekiwok, you might get better help from #radeon on
14:48<mshuler>jello: when all else fails, hit "I forgot my password" ;)
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14:48<stderr>jello: Is it also running NS for you? If not you could change the MX record so your email will be delivered to somewhere else.
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14:48<jello>stderr: yes, it is... :(
14:49<mshuler>oh - that's where the mail goes..
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14:49<jello>mshuler: yes, but it sends a password reset link via email
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14:49<jello>surprisingly most things are still working (for now)
14:49<mshuler>jello: ssh host tail -1000 /var/spool/mail/myusername
14:49<stderr>jello: Can you scp to the server?
14:50<jello>mshuler: postfix is down
14:50<jello>stderr: yes
14:50<stderr>So you could upload a script or binary and run that...
14:51<jello>stderr: except i have no way to gain root
14:51<stderr>You can't make it run as root, but it's at least a start...
14:51<stderr>What kernel? :-)
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14:52<jello>Linux 2.6.32-xenU-3831-x86_64 #12 SMP Tue Oct 12 18:07:01 CEST 2010 x86_64
14:52<jello>you have a handy exploit lying around?
14:53<stderr>Not right here, but you can probably find some proof of concept somewhere.
14:53*jello is horrified that the idea seems the best possibility...
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14:54<ompaul>jello: physical contact with the box is the best idea but anyway :)
14:55<mshuler>jello: I would call gandi, personally - I've done a lot of server support and what you have set up as your mail contact (on the hosted server) is not unusually (unfortunately) - they have to have a way to verify you and help you out
14:55<jello>ompaul: no likely at this point
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14:55<dpkg>azzurra: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
14:55<mshuler>secret security questions, callback to phone on record, alternate email address
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14:55<ompaul>all of the above and more
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14:58<stderr>jello: What permissions do you have on /proc/sysrq-trigger ? Would a reboot help in any way?
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14:59<jello>willing to try a reboot at this point
14:59*jello checks
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15:01<jello>stderr: root write only
15:01<jello>ie. 0200
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15:02<mdxzero>XReaper, secure boot was off & UFEI on but still don't boot linux, at the moment I'm inside the bios, maybe something wrong with the live CD?
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15:02<XReaper>mdxzero: does the livecd support UEFI?
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15:03<mdxzero>I allready worked with her
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15:05<mdxzero>it's the same adjustment normally that should work
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15:05<stderr>jello: It looks like your best choice right now is to call gandi. If that doesn't work, maybe an exploit. :-/
15:05<stderr>I'm out of ideas...
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15:08<nocturnal>if I have installed the linux mint repository just for the firefox package and want to pin all other packages to the standard debian stable, do I need to use pinning? and if so, is this correct in /etc/apt/preferences.d/001pinning?
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15:09<stderr>jello: Does your normal user have write access to /dev/sda? or whatever your partitions are called?
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15:09<stderr>nocturnal: Mint is not debian. Don't mix distros.
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15:09<nocturnal>yes I know, but they have a good firefox package
15:09<nocturnal>easy to install
15:10<stderr>nocturnal: Have you looked at ?
15:10<nocturnal>and I don't want to mix distros, which is why I'm asking
15:10<jello>stderr: nope
15:10<nocturnal>iceweasel is not a good firefox package
15:10<stderr>Why not?
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15:11<nocturnal>last I checked, I couldn't run the plugins I needed in it.
15:11<nocturnal>noscript, adblock plus and foxyproxy
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15:11<nocturnal>and does it have firefox sync support?
15:11<nocturnal>I don't remember
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15:11<mshuler>what about trying to ssh "echo PASSWD | sudo -S reboot" - or something along those lines for jello to use sudo?
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15:12<nocturnal>either way, I'm trying to avoid mishaps with the mint distro by using pinning, but I don't know how. is this correct?
15:12<stderr>nocturnal: mozilla-noscript and foxyproxy... Not sure about adblock plus...
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15:13<gsimmons>Adblock Plus is packaged as xul-ext-adblock-plus. And Iceweasel (at least WRT ESR 17) supports Firefox Sync.
15:13<babilen>nocturnal: Why on earth would you do that?
15:13<jello>mshuler: interesting...
15:13<babilen>nocturnal: You are aware of aren't you?
15:14<stderr>[21:10:05] <stderr> nocturnal: Have you looked at ?
15:14<babilen>hehe, right :)
15:14<nocturnal>my only experience with iceweasel on mipsel was very poor, to be honest I have not tried it on amd64 which is what I'm currently using.
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15:14<jello>mshuler: that looks like it worked...
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15:15<jello>mshuler: fyi, i did: echo password | ssh host sudo reboot
15:15<jello>er, echo password | ssh host sudo -S reboot
15:15<mshuler>jello: sudo -S allows for password to be passed by stdin
15:16<jello>yes, it seems to have worked
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15:16<babilen>nocturnal: I would *strongly* recommend to not install random third-party packages. We make a lot of difference Iceweasel packages available to our users and I would be surprised if you can't find one you like.
15:16<mshuler>jello: now I sure hope it boots cleanly (/me ducks)
15:16<jello>server is taking quite a while to reboot...
15:16<jello>mshuler: thanks for jinxing it
15:16<mshuler>oh that console access is sounding good right now..
15:16<nocturnal>babilen: I understand your objections but let's pretend my question is only about pinning.
15:17<nocturnal>is this correct to avoid other packages being installed from other repositories?
15:17<stderr>jello: echo password | ssh -t host sudo reboot should work too.
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15:18<mshuler>will ssh pass that stdin input across the ssh connection? interesting
15:18<stderr>Yes, sudo just wants a TTY to read it from (unless you use -S). ssh -t gives ssh a TTY for sudo to play with.
15:19<mshuler>nice :)
15:20<stderr>Maybe we should have tested the idea with another command than reboot... :-/
15:20<mshuler>yeah - whoami would have been a good test
15:20<stderr>Like "whoami"...
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15:21<jello>stderr: -t doesn't help. sudo -S works
15:22<stderr>Does normal ssh work now?
15:22<stderr>Otherwise the problem might be related to TTYs.
15:22<jello>still rebooting, i think
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15:23<mdxzero>XReaper, after pushing a lot of keys I came into the bios I toggle the UEFI to C?? and the livecd booted
15:23<XReaper>you -do- want the livecd booted as uefi tho
15:24<Zach>Hey - having issues with Dovecot and Postfix mail set up - I recently messed up lots of owner:group on my server and I haven't been able to fix my emails. How can i defbug to find the source of my problem of not being able to receive any emails?
15:24<cae>jello: $ echo foo | bar #can be displayed with top(1) or ps(1), so better don't use it for secret passwords
15:24<stderr>jello: I think I know why it worked for me. I had just tested it with -S and sudo likes to remember stuff, so it probably didn't even ask for a password when I was testing with -t.
15:24<cae>cat <<EOF | bar
15:24<cae>is better
15:25<jello>cae: good to know
15:25<jello>i can always put it in a file though
15:26<Zach>oh I found the error
15:26<Zach>warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/***: Permission denied
15:26<cae>yeah, $ cat passwdfile | bar #is another option (and even better, because the script can be public readable and everyone can see what it does, without getting to know the password)
15:26<jello>Zach: seems likely
15:27<cae>(or, for those who don't like cats, $ bar <passwdfile # ;-) )
15:27<jello>an extra process never killed anyone
15:28<jello>still hasn't rebooted....
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15:28<mshuler>"Hello Gandi Support?"
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15:28<stderr>mshuler: Please stop reading my mind...
15:28<jello>problem is i'm in nyc and they're in france
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15:29<jello>oh well, time to bite the bullet
15:29<cae>Zach: /var/spool/mail/* or /var/spool/postfix/* should be fixed... but didn't you have that chown -R / problem yesterday? Probably reinstalling would have been faster
15:29<mshuler>good luck, jello!
15:29<jello>thanks, i need some about now...
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15:31<babilen>jello: gandi are at least competent :)
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15:32<mdxzero>XReaper, Thanx for all
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15:33<XReaper>glad to have helped
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15:39<winsen>Hi all
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15:40<winsen>AgentC: hey are you there my friend?
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15:41<mdxzero>XReaper, I'd like to connect the first PC with the second and grab from the second onto the internet. Do you have a hint maybe the NetworkManager is to Simple but does it too?
15:42<XReaper>magic, no idea :p
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15:46<cae>mdxzero: o(internet)o--[router]--[second box]--[first box] -- is that right? "second box" has two ethernet port (or WLAN+LAN) and is not on the same switch with both ends?
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15:49<mdxzero>Does it not works with simple connection between a cable from 1PC to 2PC via VPN?
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15:51<matula>hey crowd
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15:52<cae>mdxzero: yeah, but you have to route anyway, so it doesn't matter if you use ethernet to run a VPN over it and then route through the VPN or simply route over the ethernet without any needless VPN overhead
15:52<matula>good evening
15:52<Dentych>Okay, a dedicated server where all services are suddenly unreachable in about 5-10 minutes and then is reachable again would indicate a serious network problem at the hosts side, am I right?
15:54<mdxzero>cae, cuz I have GSM, HOW?????
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15:55<cae>Dentych: ping another host from that box, if it breaks from time to time, the host's uplink is broken. If not, it's yours.
15:55<cae>mdxzero: where is pc1 and pc2? In the same LAN?
15:56<Dentych>the box is in a data centre
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15:56<mdxzero>cae, In the same room
15:56<Dentych>Oh, sorry
15:57<Dentych>cae: Anyway, there's a VoIP server on the box and everyone got disconnected
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15:58<cae>Dentych: so if it's not only you but people who use another ISP, it's most likely the server or the data center network
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15:59<Funstar>Good evening.
15:59<cae>(or the VoIP application or anything else there)
15:59<Dentych>cae: Exactly. We are people from various countries, different ISP's, different everything
15:59<Dentych>And it's every service on the server. Game server, VoIP, website, everything
16:00<cae>Dentych: does $ ip -s link #show errors/dropped on the external interface(s)?
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16:01<cae>probably it's a good idea to setup munin and get some graphs about what is going on
16:01<Dentych>cae: No :(
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16:01<Funstar>I messed up my xorg, is there a chance to get it reinstalled without a complete new installation? I am running Debian jessie/testing.
16:02<cae>Dentych: dmesg, grep -i firmware /var/log/syslog?
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16:02<cae>Funstar: define "to mess up"
16:02<mshuler>Funstar: by default debian uses no xorg.conf - mv or rm the file, if that's what you mean
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16:03<cae>most likely you will get a working setup back by moving the xorg.conf away (as long you don't have nvidia/ati blobs running)
16:03<Funstar>cae: I had a bad repository in my apt.source and let apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade running. After reboot, xorg did not come up
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16:03<Dentych>cae: dmesg shows only stuff from 0 to 19.677771
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16:04<Funstar>xorg is completely uninstalled I think
16:04<Dentych>cae: last thing being "eth0: no IPv6 routers present"
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16:04<cae>Funstar: check /var/log/apt/history.log to see what happened
16:05<cae>Dentych: both is uninteresting
16:05<Dentych>cae: It just went offline again
16:05<cae>Dentych: setup munin or a "top -b" logging to see if there are load peaks on the box
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16:06<mshuler>Funstar: apt-get install xserver-xorg (or a desktop environment of your choice)
16:06<Dentych>cae: I'll try that when it comes back up again
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16:06<cae>Funstar: probably put the output of $ apt-cache policy | grep -vi trans #to
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16:10<Funstar>mshuler, it says I got missing dependencies
16:10<mshuler>Funstar: 'apt-get update' if you haven't already, and it might be good to work out what may be rogue - pastbin the output of: aptitude search '~S~i!~Atesting'
16:11<Dentych>cae: Should I log the "top -b" output to a file?
16:11<mshuler>that is search installed packages that don't come from testing
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16:12<cae>Dentych: yeah, and run it inside a screen session so it doesn't die when your ssh session breaks
16:13<Dentych>cae: Yeah, I'm always using screen. I'll try to set everything up back to normal and run it while it's going and then we'll see if it outputs anything useful if it breaks
16:13<mshuler>Funstar: ick.
16:14<mshuler>Funstar: what exactly was your "bad" sources.list entry that you dist-upgraded to?
16:14<Funstar>Something from
16:15<Funstar>I was only looking for a source with an actual Iceweazel
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16:15<devil_>Funstar: i am using that repository for ~ 2 years without any problem at all
16:15<mshuler>and? there has to be more.. was it unstable, experimental, both?
16:16<Funstar>deb unstable main
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16:18<cae>yeah, that's a happy unpinned Sid/Jessy mixed system
16:18<mshuler>Funstar: so you dist-upgraded to unstable/sid it looks like
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16:18<Funstar>Okay, any chance to way back?
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16:19<devil_>mshuler: i see no unstable repo in his sources!?
16:20<mshuler>devil_: it used to be there ;)
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16:20<Funstar>devil, removed it
16:20<devil_>oh, ok. mixing testing with unstable is evil, but the mozilla repo should do no harm in any environment
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16:21<Funstar>When only doing apt-get install -t unstable iceweasel it is fine, but later the source messed my system
16:22<Funstar>Or I did, not knowing what I was doing -> noob
16:22<mshuler>Funstar: simplest thing? reinstall. You could try to downgrade things to testing (everything on that list from the aptitude search) but that is evil.. alternatively? run sid. and '/msg dpkg pieces' for more info :)
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16:24<Funstar>I could run sid, would be fine if I got a graphical interface with it again. ^^
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16:24<mshuler>yeah, you could. all the graphical bits are there
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16:25<mshuler>Funstar: completely not recommended for a new person to run sid, however
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16:27<Funstar>I got 5 of 7 machines here running debian, this is just one of my gaming computers, no problem if it is not 100% stable
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16:31<devil_>Funstar: the name unstable relates to the changing nature of the repo, not so much the software itself. some individuals even hint, unstable relates to the developers ;)
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16:36<Funstar>okay, updated to sid (I think), but no GUI.
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16:37<devil_>Funstar: you said before, you messed up xorg. what does that mean exactly?
16:37<Funstar>It got uninstalled while apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade
16:37<Funstar>But apt-get install xserver-xorg says something about missing dependencies
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16:38<devil_>Funstar: please pastebin that
16:42<mshuler>dpkg: tell Funstar about localized errors
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16:42<babilen>I wouldn't expect a direct upgrade from wheezy to sid to work these days due to the perl transition. The best way would be to upgrade to jessie first (dist-upgrade) and then to sid (apt-get upgrade)
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16:42<babilen>But this is a topic for #debian-next isn't it?
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16:42<Funstar>I was on jessie
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16:43<devil_>babilen: it is
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16:43<babilen>Funstar: dist-upgrades on sid will cause all hell to break loose these days (well, render a bunch of stuff uninstallable or cause the removal of various packages, ...) better to stick to upgrade and tactically chosen "apt-get install FOO"
16:44<devil_>Funstar: you can try to install the dependencies manualy
16:45<babilen>Funstar: I would try to go back to testing and then not messing up your system with a dist-upgrade on/to sid
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16:45<Funstar>Is there something like the installer, where you can say [X] X-Server [X] print server etc. and it (re-)installs all packages of that group?
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16:46<babilen>sure, tasksel but you can just install the packages directly
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16:47<babilen>Funstar: Just in case it escaped you earlier: We have a special channel (#debian-next) for testing/unstable support and you might want to take it there.
16:48<Funstar>Okay, but maybe reinstalling xorg is something release independend and I don't have to tell the story twice, if you are fine with that.
16:48<babilen>I don't think you can necessarily "repair" the situation in sid right now as we are in the middle of a transition that you simply shouldn't attempt right now. Take jessie as a base and then stick to safe-upgrades/apt-get upgrades for the time being.
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16:49<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>heloooo world
16:49<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i need a debian x64 wiz :D
16:50<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>can anyone help me with a damn x64 java for debian 7?
16:50<babilen>i guess ...
16:51<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>can you help me babilen?
16:51<babilen>What's the problem? (provide as much information as possible and use pastebins such as if applicable)
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16:51<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i installed earlyer today mcmyadmin panel for minecraft cms
16:51<babilen>I have no idea if I can help you, but you should simply ask your question. There are more than six hundred people in this channel ...
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16:52<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: That doesn't strike me as software in Debian, but pray continue.
16:52<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>all well there, panel is working fine, all functions work and so on, everything until the stupid java
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16:53<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>unless the guy that installed debian for me didn't install x64 version please do tell me the command which i can find out what debian version it is
16:53<devil_>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: minecraft is not a debian package, that makes it hard to help
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16:54<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>minecraft is not the package with the problem, java is :D
16:54<mshuler>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: 'java -version'
16:54<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>java -version doesn't work
16:54<mshuler>there's your problem.
16:55<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i get this stupid error whereever i call up java or anything that uses java
16:55<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: I still have no idea what the problem is, but let us assume that "java -version doesn't work" is it. What does "doesn't work" mean exactly? What happens if you run that? (paste that to )
16:56<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>ok i installed java to usr/lib64/jvm ... where 1 tutorial told me and another one in /bin/something
16:57<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>after that use update-alternatives to set the default java, manual or auto
16:57<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>and neither one works
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16:57<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i'm out of tutorials or linux knowledge :D
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16:58<babilen>How did you install java?
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16:58<babilen>dpkg: install java
16:58<dpkg>For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package (install icedtea6-plugin for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"). For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>.
16:58<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: That ^^^ is what we recomend and support. What exactly did you do?
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16:59<AlBaTrOs-NOOB> there are the tuts i used neither worked for me for some reason
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17:00<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Installing OpenJDK is as easy as running "apt-get install default-jre" (or default-jdk if you need that) -- you shouldn't have to do anything apart from that.
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17:01<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>but now how do i undo all the stupid steps i made, so i can get a clean slab?
17:02<mshuler>read the tutorials backwards :)
17:02<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i'm unsure about jre vs. jvm
17:03<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>my errors are about being unable to open JVM, will this be fixed by installing jre?
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17:03<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Well, there is one important difference: The tutorials instruct you (or misguide you) on how to install Oracle's java version. OpenJDK is the reference implementation these days and I have no idea why you want Oracle's java, but we do not directly support that.
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17:04<babilen>dpkg: tell AlBaTrOs-NOOB -about java-package
17:05<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: java-package is one way to install Oracle's Java in a supported (semi supported really), but I still wouldn't recommend it. (From a Debian point of view) -- It might be that minecraft requires you to use Oracle's java (it really shouldn't), but I wouldn't know about that.
17:06<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>it doesn't matter that it is oracle, that the only tutorial i found
17:06<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Either way: Repair the damage (undo whatever you've done) and take it from there. update-alternatives has a "--remove" switch and you probably want to read "man update-alternatives" and the rest should be pretty self-exploratory. You should hunt the people down who wrote those tutorials and ask them for help ;)
17:06<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i had the server hosted with the same cms (windows version) and used to get the propper java for my machine
17:06<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>now switching to debian i can't figure out that java issued for about 4-5 hours
17:07<SamB>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: yes, installing default-jre should be enough if you just need the JVM
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17:07<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Well, you shouldn't (generally speaking) never have to install anything on Debian manually as all software comes packaged. It is therefore as easy as "apt-get install PKG" and you just have to know which the right package is. As soon as you do something manually you are most likely doing it wrong.
17:08<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>AMIN to that :D
17:08<babilen>(see my remarks regarding Java and Minecraft above -- but you will hopefully appreciate that we neither endorse nor support either of them)
17:08<SamB>it sometimes happens that Debian doesn't actually have a package for a piece of software yet, in which case you might have to package it yourself ...
17:08<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i'm working on the solutions you guys gave me, i'm hoping for the best
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17:09<Arrowmaster>i know minecraft used to say not to use openjdk on linux years ago but the client ran fine on openjdk for everybody
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17:10<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>ok i thing something is wrong and again i can't understand a thing in there
17:10<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: I don't want to be an arse and tried to be helpful, but this really isn't our fault. You followed some stupid tutorials on the internet to install some proprietary software that has nothing to do with Debian -- I wish you all the best though. I guess that you *can* get back simply by removing the alternatives links and the files you "installed" -- What I fear is that you've overwritten something though ...
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17:10<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Installing java is as easy as "apt-get install default-jre" or "apt-get install default-jdk"
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17:12<SamB>judd: info cruft
17:12<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>ok but default-jdk or jre gets me java 6 not 7
17:12<judd>Package cruft (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: program that finds any cruft built up on your system. Version: 0.9.16; Size: 105.6k; Installed: 1316k; Homepage:
17:12<SamB>that might help finding out-of-place files
17:13<SamB>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: oh, if you want 7 you can have that too
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17:13<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>judd: info java7
17:13<judd>No package named 'java7' was found in wheezy/i386.
17:14<SamB>judd: info openjdk-7-jre
17:14<judd>Package openjdk-7-jre (java, optional) in wheezy/i386: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT. Version: 7u3-2.1.7-1; Size: 222.0k; Installed: 681k; Homepage:
17:14<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>dpkg: info java7
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17:15<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>java7 on x64?
17:15<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>amd64 ?
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17:15<SamB>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: that should work fine too
17:16<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>and if i want to assign about 6GB Ram for that jvm?
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17:16<SamB>I think there are a few ways to do that, such as command line flags and property files
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17:20<AlBaTrOs-NOOB> what am i doing wrong, or have done wrong before asking you guys for help?
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17:22<Dentych>cae: Just did it again. Third time today. "top -b" shows no significant load increase
17:23<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: it looks like you've got some sort of ubuntu PPA configured
17:23<jordemort>'oracle-java-installer' is not a package from debian
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17:24<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>how can i tell what linux version i have? what command or file?
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17:24<jordemort>cat /etc/debian_version
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17:26<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: you need to go through /etc/sources.list and the files in /etc/sources.list.d and expunge any references you have to the PPA, i suspect you followed some instructions like this?
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17:27<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: those instructions might work but that package respository isn't really intended for debian and doesn't come from debian so i expect you'll have a hard time finding people here willing to try and figure out what is going wrong with it for you
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17:28<SamB>so would this be a bad time to mention that I have a PPA or two in my sources.list myself?
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17:29<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: but if you clean out any lines that reference out of your sources.list files and then apt-get update, "apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk" ought to work for you… but you are on squeeze so you are not going to find official debian packages for openjdk 7 for that, it is only packaged for wheezy and beyond
17:29<SamB>oh, he's on squeeze?
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17:30<SamB>yeah, in that case upgrade to wheezy before trying to install 7 ...
17:30<jordemort>if /etc/debian_version says 6.0.7, then yeah, that's squeeze
17:30*SamB missed that line
17:30<babilen>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: ah, looks as if you did something else on top of the two tutorials you mentioned earlier. The package you are looking for if openjdk-7-jre (or openjdk-7-jdk) but you are also running an old (but still supported) version of Debian. I would recommend to upgrade to the current version (wheezy, 7.1) in due course by following -- You cannot install those packages ...
17:31<babilen>... on squeeze (which is he version you are using)
17:31<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>now that we are getting close to the matter at hand and getting more info, how do i update from squeeze to wheezy
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17:32<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: there is a pretty comprehensive tutorial on upgrading at
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17:33<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i'm guessing i'll lose any ssh or ftp connection to the server during that upgrade?
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17:34<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: pretty sure that any existing ssh sessions will stay attached, at least until you need to reboot for the kernel
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17:35<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>ok, i thrust you all with this, but i'll have the guy that installed it for me early to do this, i can't risk the vps for that i have no ideea what to expect
17:35<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: really if you just want to get a minecraft server running with a minimal amount of fuss, i would (a) take the PPA out of sources.list, (b) apt-get update, and then (c) apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
17:35<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: pretty sure that the minecraft server does not need java 7
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17:36<jordemort>and squeeze will continue to receive security updates for a little while yet, so if it ends up doing everything you need it to there is no reason to rush to upgrade
17:36<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>what is with that PPA? what is it? how do i take it out of sources.list
17:36<babilen>jordemort: well, AlBaTrOs-NOOB would still have to undo the manual steps in and AlBaTrOs-NOOB followed (no idea what (s)he actually did though)
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17:37<babilen>what a mess
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17:37<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i'm a "he" btw :D
17:38<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: open up /etc/apt/sources.list in the text editor of your choice and delete the lines that mention the ppa
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17:39<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>what text editors are there in the system?
17:39<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>was sudo one of them?
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17:40<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: no sudo is a command that you use to wrap another command to run it with root access (which you will also need to edit sources.list)
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17:40<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: probably the most friendly text editor for beginners is nano, so you would want to type something like 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
17:40<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>ok so where do we start at?
17:40<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>nano isn't working, tryed it, i guess it's not installed
17:41<jordemort>try "apt-get install nano"
17:41<jordemort>and then try again
17:42<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i'm getting a lot of errors because of something with mozilla but eventually editted it with nano and now there is not PPA
17:43<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>now the command with openjdk-6-jre
17:43<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: ok, then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre"
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17:43<jordemort>and then as babilen said, if you did any of that update-alternatives stuff in the other tutorials you will have to clean it up
17:44<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>already did that, thanks :D
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17:47<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>ok no alternatives to java
17:47<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>now what?
17:47<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: did you install openjdk-6-jre?
17:47<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>error code 1 for some reason
17:48<jordemort>error code 1 for what? does running "java -version" get you anything?
17:48<cae>Dentych: okay, stop top -b and do ping instead
17:49<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
17:49<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
17:49<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
17:49<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>java -version gets me java: command not found,
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17:49<Dentych>cae: Save that to a file as well, I guess?
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17:49<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>ooops pasted it too many times
17:49<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
17:50<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: can you put the full output your apt-get command in a paste on ?
17:50<cae>Dentych: yeah, even if you could see it in the screen buffer... logging errors is always a good idea
17:51<jordemort>ooh that's a mess
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17:52<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>tell me about it
17:52<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: try "update-alternatives --auto /usr/bin/java"
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17:53<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: and then try "apt-get install openjdk-6-jre" again
17:54<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>no alternatives
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17:54<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: maybe just "update-alternatives --auto java"? (instead of /usr/bin/java) i might be a bit rusty. what does "update-alternatives --display java" say?
17:55<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>--auto java = no alternatives
17:55<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>same for display
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17:56<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: here is what i get for display:
17:56<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i got the same after update-alternatives --remove-all
17:57<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>before not after
17:57<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>--remove-all java
17:57<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>or smth like that
17:58<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: try "sudo apt-get install --reinstall openjdk-6-jre-headless"
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18:00<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>what is wrong with that mozilla error? i didn't even install it?
18:01<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: the "mozilla" in there is a little misleading, it's the ca-certificates-java package you're having problems with
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18:01<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: it only says "mozilla" because that's the name of the directory they're kept in in the package, because that's where the packager got the bundle of trusted certificates from, so really mozilla is not involved at all
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18:02<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>then what does this mean? root@mc:~# E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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18:02<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: not sure how to fix what you're getting there tho, it looks like it is trying to run java to install the certificates, but because java isn't really installed right it's causing an error
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18:04<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>ok so on the bottomline, java 7 is out of the question on squeeze, i don't even have debian 7, java isn't installed at all on that VPS, and i would gladly embrace the ideea of installing debian wheezey on it
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18:04<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: maybe "apt-get remove --purge openjdk-6-jre openjdk-6-jre-headless openjdk-6-jre-lib openjdk-6-jdk icedtea-6-jre-cacao default-jre default-jdk ca-certificates-java", to completely wipe out your existing installation of those packages
18:04<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: and then after that try "apt-get install openjdk-6-jre" again and give it a fresh start
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18:07<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>before those mozilla errors, CANNOT CREATE THE JAVA VIRCUAL MACHINE
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18:08<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: even after purging out all those packages first?
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18:08<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>even after that
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18:08<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>let's purge some more, i'm starting to like it :D
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18:09<ingrato>i'm from Brasil
18:09<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: and 'java -version" still gives you nothing?
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18:10<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>-su: java: command not found
18:10<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: how about "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java -version" ?
18:10<SamB>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: and you installed now?
18:11<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: ah well there ya go, you don't have enough memory to run java
18:11<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>how can we assign more?
18:11<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: this wouldn't happen to be an openvz/virtuozzo VPS, would it?
18:12<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i have no ideea
18:12<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i7/32gb RAM/8tb hdd
18:12<Dentych>cae: My host just replied "We would like to adjust some BIOS settings and possibly update to the latest bios version" for the third time now...
18:13<cae>.o( didn't I recently heard that somewhere? )
18:13<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: here is an ubuntu user who was having the same problem, it looks like it can only be fixed outside of the VM:
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18:14<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: here's another one, having the same problem:
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18:14<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: but without knowing for sure if you're running on top of openvz it's hard to be sure that's what's biting you
18:15<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: most of the cheaper VPS plans out there are on openvz though, so there is a good chance that's what you've got, unless you're paying >$20/mo
18:16<jordemort>it certainly sounds like the same problem though
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18:17<mshuler>that ca-certificates-java error is old - wheezy does not (better not) have that problem..
18:18<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i really hope it's not openvz and it's some my fault it's not working, i'll find out in about 9-10 hours, the guy that got me the vps is dead-asleep
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18:18<jordemort>mshuler: yeah but the "Could not reserve enough space for object heap" is the real root of the problem
18:19<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>i'll have him reinstall the system in the morning and maybe i'll see you again in the morning, thanks so much for the help, i'll see those last 2 reffs you gave me tonight and then head on to sleep
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18:19<Dentych>cae: [00:13:11] <cae> .o( didn't I recently heard that somewhere? ) <-- was that directed at me?? :)
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18:19<jordemort>java starts up, says "how much ram do you have? oh, that much? i'd like ALL OF IT please" and because of the way openvz fakes the "burstable" memory, it's like "oh hey no way that will fly" and causes the JVM to fail to allocate
18:20*mshuler wipes brow.. we worked hard to fix that -java hook
18:20<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>have a nice one guys, see ya in the morning
18:20<cae>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: $ test -e /proc/vz || echo no openvz # does what?
18:20<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: good luck!
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18:21<cae>Dentych: somehow :-) btw. I'm out now, I wish you much... uuhm "fun" with your system
18:21<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>$: command not found....
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18:21<mshuler>heh - without the $
18:21<cae>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: $ is meant to be the prompt, so type in "test -e /proc/vz || echo no openvz" (without quotes)
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18:22<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>doesn't do anything
18:22<Spartan>Hello, is this the channel for help setting up the OS?
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18:22<cae>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: then it's likely openvz
18:22<Dentych>cae: Alright. Well, I whined about it yesterday as well ;-) And thanks for the help. Though I don't think it will be much fun if the problem doesn't get fixed :/
18:22<cae>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: $ ls /proc/vz #doesn't throw error messages?
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18:23<jello>Spartan: yes
18:23<cae>Dentych: you're welcome :-)
18:23<Spartan>Oh, thanks... I searched for days! ;)
18:23<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>veinfo vestat vzaquota
18:24<jello>assuming OS == Debian
18:24<jordemort>AlBaTrOs-NOOB: yup that's openvz then
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18:24<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>yup, i'll strangle someone in the morning :D
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18:25<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>thanks so much for the help
18:25<AlBaTrOs-NOOB>see you in the morning
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18:26<jordemort>damn openvz, i really wanted to see him up and running
18:26<Spartan>Of course. So here's the deal... I own a very old tablet PC, the Fujitsu Siemens Stylistic ST4120. I tried installing Debian and other linux distros, only to find the same problem. It booted the netinst ISO via a USB Flash drive and all install methods worked (yeah, i tried them all), and i got the same issue. When i try to boot the OS, once GRUB has done its magic and i get the normal startup
18:26<Spartan>messages, the screen whites out
18:27<Spartan>So i assume its because of the Intel graphic chipset... but i just don't know how to fix it. any ideas?
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18:28<mshuler>Spartan: is this a desktop install, I'm assuming? Can you get to a console with Ctl+Alt+F1 ?
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18:28<Spartan>uuhh, i can't boot...
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18:29<Spartan>after GRUB, it goes blank, can't see anything.
18:29<jordemort>Spartan: Ctrl+Alt+F1 might get you to a text console, from the white screen
18:29<mshuler>Spartan: you said you get normal startup messages, then white - to me that meant it booted
18:29<Spartan>let me try, 1 sec
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18:31<Spartan>With normal startup messages, i mean "Loading, Please Wait... INIT: Version 2.88 Booting" and two other i can't read, its too fast.
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18:33<Spartan>i kept pressing CTRL+ALT+F1, no response, it just kept whiting out (it's gradual)
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18:34<Spartan>The only "Command Line" i can acess is grub's.
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18:35<Spartan>and the setup. it works 100%
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18:36<mshuler>Spartan: reboot the machine and select the "Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux vvvvv (recovery mode)" option
18:36<mshuler>in grub ^
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18:37<mshuler>(unless you've tried that and get the same result)
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18:41<Spartan>whites out also.
18:41<Chav>Hi. I'm a little confused by the wording in the Configure the Network Manager stage of a Debian LXDE install.
18:41<Spartan>After "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated"
18:42<kevix>before the advent of Udev, that was a different process
18:42<Chav>It says, "using a mirror can result in a large amount of data being downloaded during the next step of the installation". This doesn't mean the install itself will be any larger, only that the online repos will be used for installation, right?
18:43<kevix>files are created for package metadata and the debian packages will be downloaded , this takes a bit of space
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18:44<kevix>you can remove the debian packages after they are installed with 'sudo apt-get clean'
18:44<Chav>What do you mean by, "the debian packages"?
18:44<kevix>when you say 'apt-get install XXX'
18:44<mshuler>Spartan: so it is not xorg, but the text framebuffer, too - I haven't stumbled on good info searching, yet :/
18:44<kevix>XXX being a debian binary packages
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18:45<Spartan>So it has nothing to do with the graphics adapter?
18:45<Chav>Right. But you said, "the debian packages will be downloaded". What you mean is, those I choose in the next step of the install, right?
18:45<kevix>stored in /var/cache/apt
18:46<kevix>well, there are packages that are installed as part of the basic install and those you add with using 'tasks' and those you install afterwards
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18:47<Chav>Wait, lol, you mean it has to download them to install them. That's all it means? Instead of using the ones on the CD/DVD/ISO? The dialogue makes it sound much worse than that :)
18:48<kevix>oh. ok.
18:48<Chav>It gave me the impression it was going to create a clone of the online repos or something.
18:49<kevix>well if you are using a CD/DVD then it will use those DEBs. and then will be downloaded to the HD instead of the internet
18:49<jordemort>Chav: nope, that's just warning you that installing from a mirror is gonna download a bunch of stuff (vs installing from a CD)
18:49<jordemort>Chav: people on really slow connections and people that pay per KB that they download probably appreciate the warning more than you do :)
18:50<Chav>lol, making it a little clearer what's actually about to happen would probably be a beneficial change to the wording. But anyway. Thanks for clearing that up :)
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18:50<kevix>Chav: ah, no. it doesn't clone the repo, it downloads all the packages that will be installed. you can choose to delete them later.
18:50<kevix>Chav: sounds like an excellant bug report, if you have the time.
18:51<kevix>its true that many people now have DSL or better, but not everone :(
18:52<Chav>No, you misunderstand. I just think the wording could more clearly indicate the cause, nature and purpose of the downloaded data. At the moment it's a bit vague.
18:52<jordemort>i'm still amazed that i lived with only dial-up right up until the day i went to university
18:53<jordemort>not that there were any other options in the cornfield i grew up in, but still
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18:53<Chav>Anyway, I've got the bug report page up, so if there's a lull in the install process I'll leave a comment.
18:53<kevix>well, the interweb now has fancy graphics and such, jordemort
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18:54<jordemort>kevix: really? is there a graphical version of lynx available now? :)
18:54<kevix>Chav: right, there is some installation bug metapackage IIRC
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18:54<kevix>jordemort: links2 -g
18:56<Chav>kevix: you don't happen to know what the, "Standard system utilities" tend to be, do you? I'm trying to minimise install size.
18:56<Chav>I'm assuming it doesn't mean apt or aptitude - they're mandatory.
18:57<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Chav -about standard task
18:57<kevix>I'd think the GNU tools and such
18:57<mshuler>Spartan: you are tickling some issue with video, but it's likely able to be overcome - read this section, reboot into rescue mode, and see if this gets you anywhere -
18:57<kevix>things in /sbin/ and /bin
18:58<Chav>eg, openssl?
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19:01<Spartan>mshuler, it tells me to type that vga=normal nomodeset command at "kernel", where is it?
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19:01<Spartan>i just press e, find an empty space and write that
19:01<mshuler>precisely, Spartan :)
19:02*mshuler crosses fingers
19:02<Spartan>it whites out.
19:03<Nazcafan>I am experienced a kernel panic at boot with the 3.10 kernel, but the text doesn't get to /var/log/messages
19:03<kevix>Chav: there is debootstrap, this provides complete control on what to install and will give the smallest one, more or less.
19:03<Nazcafan>the panic happens when trying to bring up the video card, it seems
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19:04<mshuler>Spartan: I'm at a loss then - you see the grub menu in plain ol' VGA, but it doesn't continue to boot with plain ol' VGA :( perhaps someone else may help us - I need to step away for a while anyway
19:06<Nazcafan>I see the end of the stack trace, but no way of seeing the complete stacktrace
19:06<Chav>kevix: yeah, i'm reading that now.
19:06<Spartan>no problem, mshuler... Thanks anyway! :)
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19:10<mshuler>Spartan: I looked back at your question.. run through that procedure again - the line you want to add vga=normal nomodeset to is the kernel line - at the end of that line
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19:10<Spartan>no luck for xforcevesa
19:10<Chav>What is there in-between the Debian LXDE install and debootstrap? All I want is a minimal GUI install, but this thing wants to install GIMP and LibreOffice etc. Please tell me there's a better way.
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19:12<Spartan>at the end of what line?
19:12<Spartan>i entered it at the end of the prompt
19:13<Spartan>right below initrd
19:14<mshuler>the linux line, then, Spartan ("kernel line" must be old..)
19:14<mshuler>you want to append those options to the kernel that is booted
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19:16<SamB>(so Chav will be happy with xterm, gitk, emacs, and maybe a WM for good measure?)
19:16<OptiMuS-PriMM>hi all
19:16<OptiMuS-PriMM>i'm new
19:16<OptiMuS-PriMM>adn i'm glad to meet you
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19:17<kevix>if you know what packages you want, debootstrap can be told to install a list of thing.
19:17<devil_>your nickname hurts :)
19:17<OptiMuS-PriMM>why its hurts?
19:17<devil_>OptiMuS-PriMM: are you AlBaTrOs-NOOB from before?
19:17<jhile>hey guys, question about switching from stable to testing. I edited /etc/apt/sources.list and changed wheezy to jessie, i am getting errors from both aptitude update or apt-get update
19:17<SamB>devil_: I was wondering that too ;-)
19:18<devil_>jhile: and the errors are? (pastebin)
19:18<jhile>one second i will do again
19:19<OptiMuS-PriMM>you can verify mi IP
19:19<jhile>devil_, im changing back now, i switch every wheezy to jessie right?
19:19<OptiMuS-PriMM>i never come here before
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19:19<OptiMuS-PriMM>i've type a search on the debian wiki
19:19<devil_>OptiMuS-PriMM: do you have a debian question?
19:20<OptiMuS-PriMM>finding for iptables
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19:21<OptiMuS-PriMM>i want to know how to use iptables in a local network
19:21<devil_>OptiMuS-PriMM: the internet is full of iptables howtos :)
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19:23<devil_>OptiMuS-PriMM: if you have specific questions about iptables, you may ask here
19:24<devil_>jhile: can you pastebin your sources.list
19:24<jhile>devil_, sure one second
19:25<blast007>jhile: remove (or comment out) the -updates repo as that doesn't exist in testing
19:26<jhile>## at beginning will rule it out ?
19:26<blast007>even a single # will, yes. the last two line in your sources.list.
19:26<devil_>jhile: one # is enough
19:27<jhile>thanks guys going to give this a shot
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19:27<jhile>aptitude update / aptitude upgrade is the best way to go about this? (no errors in aptitude update now)
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19:28<blast007>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (as per the dpkg bot in this channel)
19:29<devil_>jhile: aptitude or apt, it is up to you
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19:30<blast007>if you use aptitude, you'd want to use 'aptitude full-upgrade' instead of just 'aptitude upgrade'
19:31<jhile>what exactly does aptitude do differently? i know it checked for file conflicts last time i tried but something messed up and it froze my system during check , probably because i only did aptitude upgrade
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19:34<blast007>!tell jhile about why aptitude
19:34<blast007>!tell jhile about why not aptitude
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19:35<jhile>blast007, so from the sounds of it, possibly do apt-get first and if it runs into a problem it can't solve try aptitude?
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19:35<genio>How long is the support i mean updates on debein 7 :) ?
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19:36<devil_>jhile: from my experience, aptitude is ok for stable, for unstable I clearly prefer apt, never used testing myself
19:36<jhile>devil_, awesome im just messing around with testing because i have some free time and its a fresh install so doesnt matter if i had to reinstall
19:37<james41382>genio: Debian 7 was released recently.. so quite a while.
19:38<jhile>lol its updating now jessie/main girl just the names if repo/package sounds funny
19:38<genio>thanks james41382 :)
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19:39<snogglethorpe>the thing about "jessie" as a release name is that every time I see it, that '80s (?) song starts running through my head... ><
19:39<jhile>haha same thing with me
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19:40<jhile>genio, it seems like debian supports their releases for 3 years give or take according to the wiki
19:40<mshuler>to me, testing is the ultimate rolling release
19:40<Spartan>Hello again, any chance you could help me start up my OS in VGA mode, via GRUB command line? i can't.
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19:41<jhile>testing sounds nice to me, but basically what ive always wanted when using ubuntu was to be able to run a beta and follow it to stable.. never worked right with ubuntu though
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19:41<mshuler>Spartan: did you get those options appended to the kernel/linux grub line and did it boot?
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19:42<jhile>seems like thats what this is going to do by pointing repos to jessie though
19:42<snogglethorpe>jhile: debian is generally much more stable than ubuntu
19:42<snogglethorpe>(at all stages)
19:42<jhile>snogglethorpe, yeah im sure stable is much more stable
19:42<snogglethorpe>jhile: no, I mean, all stages, from "unstable" -> "testing" -> "stable"
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19:42<jhile>i tried ubuntu yet again (12.04.3) lts and within 5 minutes i was getting unexpected crash errors still =/ dont understand it how even google could help with code and still so many problems
19:42<mshuler>Spartan: where the arrow is:
19:43<jhile>snogglethorpe, i believe it, even running arch for a month or so was more stable and that is bleeding edge lol
19:44<snogglethorpe>even stuff in "experimental" is generally pretty reasonable, though that tends to vary a lot more so you should know something about each case before you try it
19:44<jhile>snogglethorpe, scared of debian unstable though, seems like when a problem occurs in debian it is a little more advanced than even arch to fix but i could be wrong
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19:45<jhile>snogglethorpe, im just assuming because to even get ps3 media server to work takes some research with debian
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19:45<jhile>to get*
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19:46<Spartan>MSHULER, my dear friend, you are a lifesaver. It worked, i'm at the text login screen.
19:46<Spartan>what now? :)
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19:46<snogglethorpe>jhile: really serious problems (system won't boot, can't update, etc) in unstable are very very rare IME, but yeah if you feel unsure, probably better stick with testing
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19:47<mshuler>Spartan: did you boot the rescue mode?
19:47<Spartan>rescue mode? no... i'ts in normal mode...
19:47<jhile>snogglethorpe, TBH i havent tried debian since the initial release of debian 6 and i wasn't near as comfortable with linux at that point. plus i never found a way to get wireless working back then
19:48<mshuler>Spartan: cool - was going to suggest that next - let me find that page again
19:48<Spartan>ill boot it in rescue mode, i sec.
19:48<mshuler>Spartan: nah, you are fine
19:49<jhile>did notice that installing debian from net with laptop packages included used less resources than a live install, only using 260megs with gnome 3
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19:51<mshuler>Spartan: you are going to want to disable framebuffer in grub for good, since that solves one problem - /etc/default/grub should be the right place to edit this
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19:52<Spartan>meaning it can't be never enabled... i intend to use this machine for drawing stuff, it has wacom pen input. Will it affect graphic "normality" once the OS is good?
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19:53<mshuler>Spartan: the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" - change that to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet vga=normal nomodeset"
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19:53<mshuler>Spartan: xorg will be another thing to consider - you need it to boot in a stable manner, first :)
19:54<mshuler>Spartan: the framebuffer boot is just pretty text mode
19:54<Spartan>Oh, nice. Now, i can't log in, don't know why. Says login incorrect. I've tried logging in with my username (spartan) and as root.
19:55<Spartan>(localhost login)
19:55<Spartan>checked, and there is no activity on the Caps lights on the keyboard... weird.
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19:57<Spartan>i'll change keyboards, i'm using a US Layout KB i use for programming... let me get a PT-pt.
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19:59<mshuler>Spartan: as the first line of /etc/default/grub says, If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards (once you get it edited)
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20:00<Spartan>mshuler: Yes, disable framebuffer for good. That's easy, what's next?
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20:01<mshuler>Spartan: you got logged in as your normal user? Run 'startx' and see if you get X :)
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20:02*mshuler ponders.. you already did a normal boot..
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20:03<Spartan>mshuler, here's the problem now, in a nutshell: I Can't Login.
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20:04<mshuler>Spartan: yep - that needs to be solved first :) the keyboard layout is not the same one you selected at install time?
20:05<Spartan>It is now, and it still doesn't work...
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20:05<Spartan>And the only special character i use is a dot.
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20:06<mshuler>Spartan: you could reboot into rescue mode and reset passwords, then boot normally again and try to log in (?) (while you are in rescue mode, edit /etc/default/grub and run 'update-grub'
20:07<Spartan>that's interesting, how do i reset the password in rescue mode?
20:07<mshuler>I know very little about keyboard layouts
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20:07<mshuler>Spartan: rescue mode drops you directly to a root shell - just do what you need
20:08<Spartan>That is awesome.
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20:08<mshuler>Spartan: don't forget to append your linux line in grub ;)
20:09<Spartan>Sucessfully logged on root@localhost.
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20:11<Spartan>im running update-grub...
20:12<Spartan>done. fingers crossed, about to type startx...
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20:12<Spartan>command not found. i assume you knew this would happen :)
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20:16<devil_>Spartan: startx as user
20:17<Spartan>mshuler, i ain't got Xorg installed... i forgot to mention i ran the netinst CD and i didn't download nothing because i access the internet via a USB 3G Modem...
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20:19<Spartan>i can't make a Wi-fi hotspot via my laptop (Network sharing not supported by NIC) and it would be really easier for me just to plug in the pen on the tablet and it recognizing it... does it work?
20:19<Spartan>i guess no...
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20:20<Spartan>i've got only the base system, it can work with 3G Modems?
20:21<Spartan>what's the command then?
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20:23<molo>can anyone tell me if this is expected behavior for dash? is it posix compliant?
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20:29<Boryna>i've got some problem with my debian
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20:29<Boryna>i have just installed xorg
20:29<Boryna>it doesn't work
20:29<Boryna>so i tried to configure it
20:29<Boryna>but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing
20:29<mshuler>Spartan: the last time I had a 3G modem was a long time ago and getting it to work was highly specific to the particular hardware and the mobile provider - if 'lsusb' sees your modem on one of the lines, the hardware is likely seen OK - setting up the ppp scripts is a pain and will need you to find the right ppp scripts searching around for your exact provider
20:29<Boryna>so i don't have any idea
20:31<Boryna>well, i've found that some people had the same problem like me
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20:31<Boryna>but there also was no solution
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20:32<mshuler>molo: I saw a recent mailing list post (I think) on that exact behavior - don't recall the precise explaination, but yes, that is expected
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20:32<molo>mshuler: it must be a posix thing. bash with "set -o posix" does the same thing.
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20:33<mshuler>molo: that's whay init scripts have full paths
20:33<mshuler>why, even..
20:33<molo>makes sense.
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20:34<gsimmons>Boryna: Can you be more specific than "it doesn't work"?
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20:35<mshuler>Boryna: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on and post the link
20:35<Boryna>"screens no found" or something like that
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20:36<Boryna>wait a moment
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20:55<fede>when i have a root shell and try to close pc via start menu then popups a window asking for root password. It lasts few seconds and i can't type or recall it foreground. This way i can't close computer
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20:55<fede>there is a solution? known bug?
20:55<fede>(forgot to mention, i have lxde desktop
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21:05<prates>i unlike lxd
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21:07<prates>fede, but when you close your computer by shell, you can shutdown?
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21:11<fede>sure, it work correctly in all other situations
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21:13<fede>there is just a gui program to avoid shutdowns when root is active, but i don't know what to search for in settings
21:14<kevix>fede: what do you mean by 'active'?
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21:15<fede>just logged in
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21:16<fede>shell -> su -> forgot to manual exit and went to start menu -> close session -> shutdown
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21:16<kevix>ps ?
21:16<kevix>lsof ?
21:17<fede>hmm lsof of what
21:17<fede>i mean what should be target of lsof
21:17<kevix>well you can see if root is doing anything?
21:18<fede>no root does nothing
21:18<fede>i just forgot to logout him
21:18<kevix>well, you could use 'sudo' and not have to be logged-in as root?
21:18<fede>sure, but i use both sudo or su, depends by my tasks
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21:19<fede>there is a mistake in some default debian settings, just that
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21:19<fede>i can avoid it by logging out root before stopping computer
21:19<fede>or force shutdown from shell
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21:36<fede>ok i found it is related to PolicyKit
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22:00<fede>i just edited /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.consolekit.policy: from auth_admin_keep to auth_admin
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22:00<fede>it it works now you will see me disappearing. In case: good night
22:02<fede>ok no it didn't work (or maybe restart needed)
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22:41<jhile>hey, is there a way to set a hotkey for gnome 3 axe menu?
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22:42<deb_er>I'm having dependency issues and running testing, can I downgrade safely?
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22:43<abrotman>downgrade from what to what?
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22:43<sney>deb_er: you can't downgrade from one release to another but sometimes you can downgrade individual packages or sets of packages. it depends. give us some details.
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22:44<deb_er>is what I have
22:44<deb_er>so I don't like all these dependency errors when I try to upgrade packages, and my cups is broken :(
22:44<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
22:44<vortek>how do i mount my windows partition? gnome did it automaticly but now im in xfce and it dont
22:45<mshuler>I'm more interested in what your dependency issues might be in jessie - downgrading releases is generally a no-go
22:45<mshuler>cups is working perfectly for me in jessie, btw
22:45<vortek>windows is on my first hardrive and debian is on my second
22:46<deb_er>nick@icecream:/etc/init.d$ ./cups start
22:46<deb_er>[....] Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd/usr/sbin/cupsd: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/cupsd: undefined symbol: _ippFreeAttr
22:46<deb_er>. ok
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22:47<abrotman>deb_er: might do better to use aptitude
22:47<deb_er>I am using aptitude
22:47<deb_er>it goes off 'resolving dependencies' forever
22:47<abrotman>when is the lsat time you did a full-upgrade ?
22:48<mshuler>deb_er: if your versions don't line up to then something is wrong..
22:48<deb_er>I dunno I put testing on my friends box a month or two ago, they asked me to get the printer working, and cups won't start.... I tried doing some upgrades earlier. What should I do now
22:49<abrotman>when is the lsat time you did a full-upgrade ?
22:50<deb_er>abrotman: not sure, should I try aptitude upgrade right now?
22:50<mshuler>deb_er: every day.
22:51<abrotman>deb_er: you're still ont ansewring my question
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22:52<deb_er>aboudreault: I already told you I'm not sure when the last upgrade was
22:52<abrotman>deb_er: the answer might be "I just tried five minutes ago"
22:52<mshuler>deb_er: yeah, most of those are not fully installed (ii at the beginning)
22:52<mshuler>and the versions are mixed
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22:53<sney>vortek: basically, get the device name for the windows partition, give it a mount point somewhere, and set it up in fstab.
22:53<abrotman>mshuler: U implies they can be upgraded IIRC
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22:54<vortek>how do i do that sney?
22:54<mshuler>I thought iU was install|unconfigured
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22:54<vortek>my windows is on hardrive 1 and linux is on harddrive 2
22:54<abrotman>!aptitude flags
22:54<abrotman>hrm ...
22:54<sney>vortek: 'fdisk -l' will give you more useful names than "1" and "2"
22:55<deb_er>Is there a problem with my sources.list
22:55<abrotman>i don't see a match for 'U', just 'u'
22:56<mshuler>abrotman: those are from dpkg -l 1) Desired (i = install), 2) Status (U = unpacked, but unconfigured)
22:56<abrotman>oh, not fom aptitude? ignore me
22:56<sney>vortek: and the rest is pretty simple. the fstab line for my steam drive looks like '/dev/sdc1 /home/sney/steam ntfs defaults 0 0'
22:56<abrotman>win 1
22:56<deb_er>So I'd like to clean the system up, what can I do? aptitude goes on a looooong walk, resolving dependencies. Is the installation trashed?
22:57<sney>vortek: so that's partition name, mount directory, filesystem, mount options, and 2 things that are always 0 for ntfs
22:57<vortek>im confused
22:57<mshuler>deb_er: what does (without hitting Yes) 'apt-get -f install' output give you? pastbin that for some looks
22:58<themill>!aptitude states
22:58<dpkg>aptitude has 4 status fields for each package that it may display. icpvBuCH are the "current state" (ask me about <aptitude current state>), iudphFrB are the actions to be performed (ask me about <aptitude actions>). There is also "A" for automatically installed and "U" for untrusted. Also ask me about <aptitude ops> <aptitude search> <aptitude docs>.
22:58<vortek>fdisk -l dont show my first hardrive
22:59<sney>vortek: are you sure? can you pastebin the output?
22:59<vortek>my first harddrive has windows
22:59<deb_er>mshuler: I guess it's finishing setting up some packages.. I didn't have to hit yes. I guess aptitude got interrupted somehow?
22:59<vortek>yea one sec
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22:59<mshuler>deb_er: crap - sorry, I thought that would give you a (Y/n)
22:59<vortek>were do i paste the output at?
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23:00<deb_er>mshuler: it didn't but maybe it will be ok?
23:00<vortek>weredo i paste the output?
23:01<mshuler>deb_er: but hey, it's a step in the right direction - personally, I would 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -Vs' and look at what you'll get in a dry run
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23:01<mshuler>deb_er: you might still want to pastebin your output for people to glance at
23:01<mshuler>from the -f install
23:01<deb_er>mshuler: is dist-upgrade appropriate? I think I'm running testing?
23:02<mshuler>apt-get upgrade upgrades installed packages. dist-upgrade will include new packages (new deps, recommends)
23:02<vortek>sney oh wiat it did show my windows patition
23:02<vortek>now what do i do with this info
23:02<deb_er>I thought dist-upgrade was a distribution upgrade, is that not true?
23:03<sney>vortek: you edit /etc/fstab and add a line based on the example I showed you.
23:03<vortek>ahh k
23:04<mshuler>deb_er: this is my upgrade script - I run this every morning with my first cup of coffee. Every. Day.
23:05<sney>holy bananas
23:05<deb_er>I just read the docs, ok i was wrong about dist-upgrade
23:06<sney>the aptitude names are a little more intuitive - 'safe-upgrade' and 'full-upgrade'
23:06<deb_er>sney is full-upgrade the equivilant of dist-upgrade?
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23:07<mshuler>exactly, deb_er
23:07<mshuler>it includes packages that aren't already installed, like new dependencies
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23:08<mshuler>when upgrading from release to release, there are new packages that need to be pulled it
23:08<mshuler>when following testing/unstable, new packages need to be pulled in to satisfy new dependencies or recommends
23:10<mshuler>(and you need to wipe your system's arse from time to time - see the Additional Package Information section at the end of the script I posted - look for things that are orphaned, removed/still configured, broken, etc.
23:11<vortek>sney do i have to reboot for it to mount the drive now?
23:11<sney>vortek: you can run 'mount -a' as root
23:13<deb_er>mshuler: thanks for the script. It looks like apt is upgrading some packages now, but cups is being held back. Do you reccomend that I run your script when apt finishes?
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23:15<mshuler>deb_er: don't blindly run scripts - certainly use it line by line to learn what is wrong, possibly look for fixes, paste output when you have questions - you need to maybe be a little cautious so you don't break too much - use it for reference
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23:16<deb_er>mshuler: ok, thanks!
23:16<mshuler>deb_er: you can always add a -s flag to apt-get or aptitude to simulate what it would do without taking action
23:17<vortek>sney its not working can i put my fstab in pastebin for u to check out?
23:17<sney>vortek: OK
23:19<vortek>whats paste in linux
23:19<vortek>and whats cut
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23:20<sney>your xfce terminal will have an 'edit' menu I'm sure
23:21<vortek>im using nano
23:22<vortek>itdont show paste it just show cut
23:22<sney>you can also install pastebinit and paste text files directly like 'pastebinit /etc/fstab/' and it'll upload it for you and everything
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23:22<sney>er /etc/fstab anyway
23:24<antar__>zubi loco
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23:30<deb_er>Is it possible that I have repositories outside of my sources.list? When I do an update I get messages about opera repositories, but I don't see such repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
23:30<deb_er>W: Conflicting distribution: sid InRelease (expected sid but got stable)
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23:31<deb_er>Err unstable/non-free amd64 Packages 404 Not Found
23:31<deb_er>Ign unstable/non-free Translation-en_US
23:31<SamB>deb_er: did you check sources.list.d
23:31<deb_er>Ign unstable/non-free Translation-en
23:31<deb_er>Err testing/main Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
23:31<deb_er>Err testing/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
23:31<SamB>also don't paste like that
23:31<deb_er>SamB: wtf is that?
23:31<deb_er>SamB: sorry
23:31<SamB>is a directory that holds additional sources.list snippets
23:31<deb_er>I mean what is sources.list.d, never seen the extension
23:32<sney>it's a directory containing mini sources files
23:32<vortek>ok i ran the program but how do i cut and paste?
23:32<sney>vortek: pastebinit does that for you, it should have spit out a url when you ran it
23:32<SamB>deb_er: do you see any files in that directory?
23:32<vortek>i did
23:32<SamB>deb_er: in particular, look for any that have opera in the name
23:33<sney>vortek: is that yours?
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23:33<sney>vortek: you can't have multiple partitions mounting in the same directory. you need to have 1 directory per partition
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23:35<SamB>deb_er: did you find anything?
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23:36<vortek>ok sney what the mount command agian?
23:36<vortek>mount -o?
23:36<sney>'mount -a' - it basically means 'mount all'
23:37<sney>for any command like mount you can run 'man mount' to see a long explanation of the command and all of its options
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23:38<deb_er>SamB: yeah I found some.... Tried changing to testing but it didn't work. Just removed opera for the moment
23:39<SamB>deb_er: yeah, I've heard stories of it adding that stuff before
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23:43<vortek>it not mounting my drive it only mounted boot info
23:44<deb_er>E: Conf Broken libapt-pkg4.12:amd64
23:44<deb_er>E: Conf Broken libapt-pkg4.12:amd64
23:44<deb_er>E: Conf Broken libapt-pkg4.12:amd64
23:44<deb_er>E: Conf Broken libapt-pkg4.12:amd64
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23:44<vortek>sney any ideas?
23:44<sney>boot info?
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23:45<deb_er>I was lost in my terminal
23:45<vortek>like system volume information and /boot etc
23:45<deb_er>anybody know what that error is about
23:46<sney>deb_er: the last error is always the useless one
23:46<sney>vortek: so that's the loader partition, try a different one.
23:46<vortek>well win 1 and win2 dir a empty
23:47<mshuler>deb_er: pastebin the entire output, including the command you ran - much more helpful
23:47<sney>vortek: just try mounting them manually as root for the moment. mount /dev/sda2 /home/vortek/win2 -t ntfs
23:47<sney>any errors?
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23:47<deb_er>ok I can probably use output redirection to get the output from apt-get dist-upgrade -Vs
23:47<deb_er>I was trying to use scrum but I guess the output is too much
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23:50<vortek>sney, no luck
23:50<sney>what does that mean? was there an error message?
23:50<sney>remember that I can't see your screen
23:50<vortek>no error
23:50<sney>you ran it and it returned you to the next prompt? check the directory
23:50<vortek>but nothing in the win1 dir
23:51<deb_er>here is the output of apt-get dist-upgrade -Vs
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23:52<sney>vortek: if you run 'mount' by itself do you see that partition in the list?
23:52<deb_er>cut it doesn't include the error E: Conf Broken libapt-pkg4.12:amd64, must be directed somewhere else
23:52<vortek>i mean win2
23:52<deb_er>like not standard out or whatever that error goes somewhere else
23:52<deb_er>I see it in the terminal though.
23:52<deb_er>maybe it goes to standard err?
23:53<deb_er>I'm not all that good with this stuff.
23:53<deb_er>wanna get this system back together so I can get cups working
23:53<vortek>sney yes
23:53<sney>vortek: ok, so it's mounted. if you don't see anything in it then there's some other problem.
23:53<deb_er>fix this printer so I don't look like an ass
23:54<vortek>sney :(
23:54<sney>how are you checking if it's empty? thunar? or running 'ls'
23:54<deb_er>still confused on how to fix the dependency issues in aptitude
23:55<sney>I don't know if thunar needs to be refreshed or anything
23:56<deb_er>mshuler: any ideas?
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23:57<vortek>sney i even typed ls -al
23:58<mshuler>deb_er: apt ( => the version installed is pre-wheezy - that is one mixed up box - I'm wondering if you need to cleaning dist-upgrade that box to wheezy, instead of something between squeeze/wheezy straight to testing
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