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00:00<vortek>sney any ideas?
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00:01<mshuler>deb_er: it's worth a try to edit your sources.list (you got rid of the strays, right?) to wheezy, and see what update/dist-upgrade -Vs gives you
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00:03<cogito>Once again, after a reboot my PCI wireless adapter dissapeared and after an other reboot, it's back.
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00:04<mshuler>deb_er: yeah ca-certificates 20120623 is pre-wheezy, too - you should probably upgrade to wheezy - I'm hoping that will help with the error you were getting about libapt breaking apt
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00:05<mshuler>deb_er: if you upgrade successfully to wheezy, you should stay there :)
00:06<mshuler>deb_er: we can look at all the installed packages post-upgrade-to-wheezy to sort out any residual issues from random upgrades, I hope
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00:07<cogito>What can make Debian not properly configure a pci device on some boots but not others?
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00:07<mshuler>deb_er: there's no linux-image packages listed.. what kernel is that box running? 'uname -a'
00:08<cogito>When i have no wireless Discover gives me an unknown but lspci lists my Atheros card
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00:13<LtL>cogito: if it's a PCI card you might try re-seating it.
00:13<cogito>LtL: You mean physicaly removing and reslotting it?
00:14<LtL>cogito: yes
00:14<cogito>ok, i'll try after i shutdown
00:14<LtL>cogito: it's a long shot but it may work.
00:15<cogito>but why the discrepency between discover and lspci results?
00:15<LtL>cogito: don't know
00:16<cogito>If it happens again, anything i can try beside rebooting?
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00:19<LtL>cogito: not off hand, no. does dmesg say anything
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00:20<cogito>LtL: Don't know didn't check
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00:20<deb_er>inux icecream 3.1.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Nov 14 08:02:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
00:21<LtL>cogito: proper firmware installed?
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00:21<deb_er>mshuler: I can try editing and changing to wheezy in sources.list
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00:22<cogito>LtL: Yes, installed with Debian, i checked and my card is fully supported by Wheezy
00:23<LtL>cogito: i would re-seat the card, check the cable.
00:23<nonconvergent>I'm wondering what pulled in something. Is there any way to find out which packages have it as a dependency?
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00:23<cogito>LtL: ok
00:24<LtL>cogito: get the dust out
00:24<mshuler>deb_er: I think that would be your best bet, upgrading to wheezy - your kernel is pre-wheezy, too
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00:26<cogito>Completely other subject. Should i had deb stable main non-free to my sources.list file?
00:26<LtL>cogito: it's not supported by #debian, but many do.
00:27<LtL>cogito: you can live without it.
00:27<cogito>LtL: Any other way to copy a protected dvd9 to a dvd5
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00:28<SamB>a what now?
00:28<SamB>are you talking about region codes maybe?
00:28<deb_er>mshuler: I'm getting that same E: Conf Broken libapt-pkg4.12:amd64
00:28<LtL>cogito: SamB is talking to you i believe.
00:29<cogito>SamB: No, dvd capacity, dvd9=dual layer over 8GB and dvd5=normal dvd over 4GB
00:29<cogito>basicaly i want to copy a commercial dvd to a blank dvd
00:30<SamB>that sounds complicated
00:30<deb_er>maybe the system is toast :(
00:30<cogito>SamB: very easy on windows
00:31<SamB>I don't imagine you end up with working menus ?
00:31<cogito>SamB: You can if you want, but i prefer having just the movie
00:31<cogito>less compression needed that way
00:32<SamB>eww recompression
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00:32<deb_er>mshuler: you agree that there isn't much left I can do but install from scratch?
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00:33<mshuler>deb_er: now that you are looking at a stable system upgrade, what does just 'apt-get install dpkg apt aptitude -Vs' output? (that libapt breaks may be one of those things that still goes ahead at config time, since it will be upgrading apt)
00:33<cogito>apparently all i need is libdvdcss2 and brasero can do the copying
00:34<cogito>only libdvdcss2 is not available on official Debian repositories
00:34<alumno>there's anyone there??
00:35<mshuler>deb_er: no, I think you might be ok -
00:35<SamB>cogito: yes, and we don't even have a script to fetch it anymore ...
00:35<alumno>why im here??
00:35<cogito>Handbrake doesn't need libdvdcss2, but it doesn't output to iso or even dvd format
00:36<LtL>cogito: libdvdcss2 and brasero are both is oldstable repo's. can't say for wheezy.
00:36<cogito>LtL: I have brasero already installed
00:36<SamB>judd: info libdvdcss2
00:36<judd>No package named 'libdvdcss2' was found in wheezy/i386.
00:36<deb_er>E: Conf Broken libapt-pkg4.12:amd64
00:36<deb_er>same stuff
00:37<SamB>alumno: we don't have a clue why you're here
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00:38<alumno>i dont know why. where are you from??
00:38<mshuler>deb_er: I'd say dist-upgrade that puppy - it looks reasonable, particularly with reading the bug report
00:38<LtL>SamB: thats odd, apt-cache search libdvdcss2 here reveals, libdvdcss2 - Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime libraries
00:38<LtL>i didn't think it was a package though.
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00:39<SamB>LtL: here too but I added deb-multimedia to my sources.list
00:39<SamB>did you also?
00:39<cogito>LtL: Can i get the package without adding deb stable main non-free to sources.list
00:39<deb_er>mshuler: it still looks like it is going on the long 'Resolving dependencies' walk...
00:40<mshuler>deb_er: what is?
00:40<SamB>cogito: btw, if you do that shouldn't you include contrib too?
00:40<cogito>SamB: Is it safe to had it?
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00:40<cogito>SamB: I don't know
00:41<LtL>cogito: ok, it is in deb-multimedia, i must have grabbed it then deleted the repo
00:41<SamB>cogito: I don't know exactly how safe it is
00:41<deb_er>mshuler: ok it's downloading packages...
00:41<SamB>we won't refuse to help you with anything just because it's in your sources.list though
00:42<LtL>cogito: libdvdcss2 - Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime libraries
00:42<mshuler>deb_er: you used apt-get, not aptitude, correct?
00:42<LtL>cogito: damn, wrong paste
00:42*deb_er crosses fingers
00:42<SamB>cogito: and I'm pretty sure any breakage you might experience can be fixed
00:43<deb_er>mshuler: I think so
00:43*deb_er exposes his ignorance
00:43<mshuler>haha, ok, I think
00:43<LtL>cogito: i'm using it with no problem but i don't use deb-multimedia anymore. dont even remember installing it.
00:43<deb_er>I'll know if things working out okay in 28 minutes... thanks for all the help!
00:44<cogito>Can i get this package without changing sources.list?
00:44<cogito>wget or something
00:44<jmcnaught>cogito: download the package in your web browser (or wget) and use "dpkg -i" to install it
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00:45<SamB>cogito: easiest way is to change sources.list, then install, then change it back; I mean, I'm assuming you don't want to read through Packages manually to find out what version is for wheezy ...
00:45<neo1691>Hello folks)
00:45<LtL>cogito: i'd go with SamB's suggestion.
00:46<mshuler>deb_er: looking for crufty things to remove after upgrade, look at that script - things like 'apt-get autoremove --purge', 'aptitude search ~c' (purge those listed), etc. -- this will help clean up old things
00:46<cogito>SamB: the Debian stable one is for Wheezy, right
00:47<neo1691>I see some message when debian boots, is there some place where there are stored as log?
00:47<LtL>cogito: yes, wheezy is stable
00:47<mshuler>deb_er: additionally, it looks like you will still be running an older kernel - after cleaning things up, you might want to install linux-image-amd64 - that's the meta package that has the latest kernel as a dependency
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00:52<mshuler>deb_er: I also don't see much in the way of cups being updated on the list - I knwo that was your concern, so there may need to be some fixing up done there - this will all be so much easier on a clean stable system, so one step at a time - hang in there :) (I need to sleep, but there are others around)
00:53<cogito>thanks everyone
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00:55<deb_er>mshuler: thanks again for all the help!
00:58<LtL>neo1691: try dmesg
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01:26<neo1691>LtL: dmseg: command not found, 'll have to install it from apt I guess.
01:26<LtL>neo1691: dmesg
01:27<neo1691>LtL: Thanks! :D
01:27<LtL>neo1691: np
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01:29<neo1691>LtL: These messages seems to be a live log of whats happening, I want to see the messages before booting debian, when all the firmware loads? I see that my bluetooth and usb firmwares are missing, just want to see which firmwares are those
01:30<LtL>neo1691: it should show firmware loading and everything the kernel is doing on boot and beyond. you can also read /var/log/dmesg
01:30<neo1691> LtL: Thanks, will try tat
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01:58<deb_er>after my dist-upgrade, I don't see gdm starting. Can I start gnome manually? Anybody know troubleshooting steps to get gdm working? I've lost my gui so can't use web too easily right now.
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01:59<deb_er>Actully gdm3 is running, but all i get is a console login....
01:59<deb_er>./gdm3 status
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02:04<musca>deb_er: which release do you use?
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02:05<deb_er>I think what's happening is that I had the nvidia driver, and a kernel upgrade caused x not to start....
02:05<Powermaniac>!dpkg sources.list
02:05<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb wheezy main" "deb wheezy/updates main" "deb wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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02:06<deb_er>can anybody help me to get the nvidia installer url and try to install it to get x working again?
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02:07<LtL>deb_er: the kernel upgrade breaks the proprietary nvidia driver.
02:07<musca>deb_er: dkms can handle the compile step for you automatically
02:07<deb_er>found the drivers
02:08<deb_er>but not sure which version i need
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02:08<deb_er>is dkms easier
02:08<LtL>deb_er: as musca says, dkms is the way to go.
02:08<musca>the debian way: install nvidia-kernel-dkms, be happy.
02:08<deb_er>is that a package?
02:09<musca>deb_er: what card is it?
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02:09<deb_er>I dunno probably a geforce4mx or something it's onboard this motherboard is circa 2007 or so
02:09<musca>yes, several versions of the nvidia driver are packaged in debian non-free
02:10<musca>let me look at it ...
02:10<deb_er>i'm installing that nvidia-kernel-dkms
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02:11<deb_er>seems to be working...
02:11*deb_er crosses fingers
02:12<deb_er>ill brb
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02:12<musca>geforce2 through Geforce4 series need a legaccy 96.xx driver
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02:15<deb_er>so it looks like I have the nvidia module installed now, thanks!
02:16<deb_er>But I no longer see gnome in the gdm list, and i chose system-default and all i get is a pointer, no terminals or anything. Anybody know how I get gnome back on the list?
02:16<deb_er>I think gnome-desktop-environment is installed
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02:16<musca>deb_er: which release of debian do you use?
02:17<deb_er>I'm using wheezy
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02:19<musca>deb_er: check it with dpkg -l | grep gnome-shell
02:21<deb_er>I'm stuck in dependency hell
02:22<deb_er>what package adds gnome to gdm3 menu / list?
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02:22<musca>dependency hell is not typical for wheezy.
02:23<musca>he doesn't answer, he doesn't wait, he doesn't need my help
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02:26<deb_er>thanks, it seems that I got gnome back. Now if I can only get cups installed and working
02:28<Infiltrator>!tell deb_er -about doesn't work
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02:32<deb_er>looks like cups might actually work ;)
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02:36<deb_er>the gnome add printer menu seems to have froze when I hit add. I'm trying to goto but that doesn't seem to be running either
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02:39<LtL>deb_er: do a netstat -tunap and check for cups running on port 631
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02:55<deb_er>if I wanna install .deb files do I just dpkg -i pkg.deb ?
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02:58<gopi>any body there?
02:59<musca>deb_er: gopi: yes
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02:59<rjsalts>gopi: Ain't nobody here but us chickens
02:59<Stummi>deb_er, yes, and then "aptitude -f install"
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02:59<Stummi>if there are unstatified dependencies
02:59<gopi>i have a problem with installation of packages
03:01<gopi>while installation shows error "dpkg: error processing crossplatformui (--configure):
03:01<gopi> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2"
03:01<gopi>can u solve my problem
03:02<gopi>hello deb_er?
03:02<Stummi>gopi, there isn't a package "crossplattformui" in debian
03:02<Stummi>or crossplatformui
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03:04<Stummi>gopi, ask the maintainers of your 3rd party repositories for help
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03:46<haixiang21>IS THERE ANYONE HERE?
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03:46<themill>Can't quite hear you. Speak louder.
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03:47<musca>hello haixiang21, you are shouting in CAPS letters.
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03:57<Jolla>Hi there! I've been a windows user my entire life, but it is time to switch to linux. I think i'll go for debian lxde, since my computer is very old. Are there any reasons not to pick this distro?
03:58<Jolla>Btw... What's the difference between linux and debian, i mean... What does debian add to linux?
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04:00<Zaba>Jolla, linux is a kernel. Then there are various userland components. Debian puts them together for you.
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04:01<kevix>if you have an older computer, lxde is fine to use.
04:02<Jolla>What are userland components? How do the userland components of debian lxde differ from xubuntu?
04:02<Jolla>For example
04:03<Zaba>Jolla, userland components are everything that's not the kernel. All programs from the most basic command-line utilities to desktop environments and games.
04:04<kevix>most unix-like sytems have common tools they use on the command line like bash, awk, sed, etc.
04:04<Zaba>Jolla, ubuntu tends to add some canonical-specific stuff to the system
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04:04<Zaba>Jolla, among great many small but subtle differences that add up to the general incompatibility between ubuntu and debian
04:05<Zaba>small and subtle, even
04:05<Jolla>If i want to compare xubuntu with debian lxde i can't find any differences regarding this subject :S
04:05<Zaba>I need to wake up
04:05<kevix>so weather you use Debian, Ubuntu, Suse, etc, they will have a common set of command line tools
04:05<Zaba>Jolla, so just use debian lxde
04:06<Zaba>here, I've made the arbitrary choice for you ;)
04:06<kevix>also note that Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian, meaning that most of the software in Ubuntu uses the source packages from Debian
04:06<Jolla>So is there an even more "plain" distro than debian?
04:07<kevix>because of the Freedom that Debian (and free software) allows, Ubuntu and many others can use the work of the Debian members
04:07<kevix>what does plain mean?
04:07<Zaba>Jolla, what do you mean by 'plain'? debian has quite a lot of infrastructure. You probably don't want 'plain' if you want regular updates and software that works together :P
04:08<Zaba>(well, regular updates meaning active development, that is updates in testing/unstable in case of debian)
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04:08<Jolla>Well i don't want java and firefox and all that installed by default... Will i be able what programs get installed with debian?
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04:10<bhuddah>if you are masochistic you could try gentoo
04:10<kevix>you can choose various selections of packages using the Debian 'tasks' or choosing a certain install cd image.
04:10<kevix>or you can used the more advanced tool like debootstrap to install a custom selection of software.
04:11<kevix>or even make your own CD image with jigdo
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04:11<Jolla>I'm new to this, so i don't know if i'll be able to pull that off.
04:12<bhuddah>better try step by step :)
04:12<kevix>sure. you can choose whats easiest and then try the other stuff later.
04:13<kevix>the lxde image is a good one then.
04:13<Jolla>I've also came across tails... I'm really into privacy and such, but i don't know how well a tor networks performs
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04:14<kevix>well lots of folks are now aware of the NSA :)
04:14<bhuddah>but i think tor is not to be trusted at the moment
04:14<Jolla>If i have to wait 4 minutes just to load a wikipedia page, it won't be an option
04:14<Jolla>It's not? :O
04:14<kevix>I dont have direct expiernce but that depends upon your ISP
04:15<bhuddah>Jolla: because of the nsa and the nearly endless resources. if you can monitor more than half of all traffic no onion routing can prevent data leakage
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04:16<Jolla>True, but using tor is better than doing nothing right?
04:17<Jolla>Although i'm wondering if it's safe to do online payments with tor
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04:18<kevix>having secure communictinos is a complex issue.
04:18<bhuddah>on multiple layers not all of which are online
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04:19<kevix>there are security professionals in Debian and we have many mailing lists
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04:19<magnetophon>Jolla: Some say tor is like putting up a big sign saying: I have something to hide!
04:20<Jolla>I have nothing to hide... I just don't want to prove it to everybody
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04:21<kevix>well, the limited use of encryptions is a 'red flag' but that is your price for wanting privacy
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04:21<kevix>'nothing to hide' has nothing to do with wanting privacy
04:22<bhuddah>i have a lot to hide i think. it's just not possible in an easy way
04:22<ixi>the universe beleives in cryptography
04:23<ixi>it is harder to encrypt things than to decrypt them
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04:23<kevix>humans deserve privacy
04:24<Jolla>btw... Would any of you reccomend xubuntu instead of debian lxde?
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04:25<magnetophon>Jolla: go to a BMW forum and ask if they recommend Audi :P
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04:25<kevix>there are many Gnu/Linux distros, you can try them all. But I dont know the state of them. So try and learn and try something else.
04:25<Jolla>Haha yeah maybe this isn't the right irc for that question :P
04:26<rjsalts>Jolla: if you wanted a 6 month release cycle, otherwise debian is probably more robust on any given package once it is released
04:27<Jolla>I guess i'll just have to try
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04:28<Calinou>Jolla: me
04:28<Calinou>but see what magnetophon said
04:28<kevix>you can join the debian-user mailing list. its high volume but if you ask questions for one month, it will help ease you into using Gnu Linux.
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04:35<voltagex>hi, how do I send a bug report for the installation including logs? reportbug doesn't seem to grab the logs as well
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04:35<Supaplex>attach files. I forget what package you file a bug on for that.
04:36<kevix>debian boot?
04:36<kevix>installation reports?
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04:39<voltagex>but the report it created after going through the steps seemed too short
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05:58<zathras>Hi. I try to upgrade a kernel (the only kernel installed) on my Debian Wheezy system. There is plenty of diskspace but it fails claiming there is too little.
05:58<zathras>I also tried to set TMPDIR to /home but that failed too
05:59<zathras>any ideas?
05:59<koxbox>zathras: you have note enough space left at /
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06:00<zathras>I assume 78M is enough?
06:00<Maulkin>Note line 10 says "After this operation"
06:00<koxbox>zathras: if it will then there will be no error messege
06:01<Maulkin>I would really want quite a bit more in /
06:01<zathras>78m ? It is a linux kernel not windows :P
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06:01<zathras>maybe I can stretch it a bit more
06:01<Maulkin>zathras: And all the modules
06:02<koxbox>zathras: you can extend the space for / its LVM
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06:06<zathras>I moved some stuff from /root and not it install although there are 2 odd messages
06:06<zathras>dpkg-preconfigure: unable to re-open stdin: No such file or directory
06:07<zathras>and /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: Couldn't find PV pv1. Check your
06:07<zathras>thanks guys
06:08<Maulkin>What else have you done?
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06:09<zathras>moved 4 user directories from /root to elsewhere (somewhere in /home) and made some symlinks from the old location to the new ones
06:09<Maulkin>Has /proc or something moved?
06:10<zathras>among the stuff moved was a workspace directory of eclipse which is not running atm
06:10<zathras>nothing special
06:11<Maulkin>the second one is a little more simple
06:11<Maulkin>See something like:
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06:14<zathras>lol. cat /boot/grub/ show 3 disks. I only have 2
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06:19<dean13579>Hi guys need some some help with testing and a printer. am i in the right place?
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06:21<Calinou>dean13579: ask your question
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06:21<babilen>dean13579: Well, testing is specifically supported in #debian-next, but please go ahead and ask your question! :)
06:21<babilen>(i don't think this will be a testing/unstable specific problem)
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06:24<deano>when i add my network printer with add printer wizard it disappears immediately ideas?
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06:30<zathras>yes, be more descriptive: what where you doing with what on which Debian version with which Windowmanager etc. Next : also check logs.
06:30<babilen>deano: I typically just use the web interface at https://localhost:631 - you might want to give that a try :)
06:30<zathras>Your question sounds like: I have a vehicle and I do not get from A to B : any ideas?
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06:37<ethan>Can anyone tell me how to get the Divx plugin for my Chrome/Chromium browser on Debian?
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06:41<ksk>ethan: afaik there is no divx for linux. use vlc-player
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06:42<babilen>It also has a browser plugin; browser-plugin-vlc
06:43<ethan>yeah i thought that was the case
06:43<ethan>i'm just learning how to manually install the vlc plugin
06:43<ethan>i switched from Mint to Debian and in Mint all the codecs were already preinstalled
06:43<ethan>i figured that was the case
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06:46<Vikinger>ethan sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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06:46<ethan>alright i installed the vlc browser plugin but it's still not working
06:46<ethan>oh i already have flash
06:46<Vikinger>that should be enought
06:46<ethan>that's just strange
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06:48<Vikinger>thats how i did, unistall everything and just put the flashplugin-nonfree
06:48<ixi>ethan can you post a web page that you're trying to access ?
06:48<ixi>unless it's private ofc
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06:50<ixi>the page provides the direct download
06:50<ixi>so you can grab that and play it in your favorite media player
06:51<ethan>oh you know what? i got it to work
06:51<ethan>i just had to right click and press play
06:51<ethan>thanks anyways guys :)
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07:09<voltagex>hey, what do I need to run 32 bit binaries in Debian amd64 these days? Most instructions refer to ia32-libs which is deprecated
07:10<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
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07:11<voltagex>I did, and I still can't run, say 32 bit firefox
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07:11<bernat>you did what? did you install 32bit libraries needed by Firefox?
07:12<bernat>or did you try to install 32bit iceweasel?
07:12<voltagex>bernat: how do I even find that out? ldd fails
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07:13<voltagex>bash: /opt/firefox/firefox: No such file or directory
07:13<bernat>can you use iceweasel?
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07:13<voltagex>I was trying a beta version of FF 24
07:13<voltagex>/opt/firefox/firefox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=298708e507dd3da8cf3fe802e62ceb613c1df8a9, stripped
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07:14<bernat>your problem doesn't seem realted to libraries
07:14<voltagex>I can't execute the file, file can read it, ldd cannot
07:14<bernat>executable permission?
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07:14<babilen>voltagex: You are aware that you can install beta versions from aren't you?
07:14<blast007>voltagex: then get the beta version of iceweasel:
07:14<voltagex>sigh. I should have known.
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07:15<voltagex>thanks babilen, blast007
07:15<babilen>voltagex: You, naturally, have to install all i386 library packages needed by firefox for it to run.
07:15<babilen>(I would still strongly recommend to use IW from )
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07:16<voltagex>babilen: okay, as an academic exercise, what do I have to do to get ldd to work against 32 bit binaries?
07:16<babilen>voltagex: Nothing in particular, you can just run "ldd /path/to/executable" and it'll work.
07:17<bernat>I understood you needed to execute a specific Firefox beta version
07:17<voltagex>bernat: yes. babilen and others are correct in telling me to use an iceweasel beta as a replacement
07:17<babilen>voltagex: So, for example "ldd /opt/firefox/firefox" should list the libraries needed by FF
07:17<voltagex>babilen: I thought so too
07:18<voltagex>babilen: I get "not a dynamic executable" instead
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07:20<ixi>it's a bash script
07:20<voltagex>ixi: file doesn't think so and ls -lah doesn't show a symlink
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07:21<babilen>voltagex: Could you look inside? I have no idea what feuerfuchs does there ...
07:21<ixi>why not just use iceweasel
07:21<voltagex>I am, I'm just trying to work out why ldd isn't working now
07:22<gnugr>voltarex:with "dpkg -S ldd" what you get?
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07:23<gnugr>voltagex: sry
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07:23<voltagex>oh, as in I need libc-bin:i386?
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07:24<voltagex>or not, that'll kill my system
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07:24<voltagex>very odd
07:24<babilen>"Could you look inside?" ...
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07:25<babilen>ah well, go forth and multiply!
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07:25<voltagex>it's definitely an ELF binary, assuming that's what babilen meant by "look inside"
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07:32<myeisha>how do i install a ca certificate with a package and add it to the ca list of the system without user intervention when not running in interactive mode? other than copying the ca to /usr/local/..., which i don't want to do
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07:34<ixi>myeisha sounds fishy.
07:34<mshuler>myeisha: you are on your own - do it the way it says in the update-ca-certificates man page - place the cert in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and run update-ca-certificates --fresh
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07:34<mshuler>how difficult is that?
07:34<myeisha>ixi: i would agree usually, but my boss forces me to do it.
07:35<mshuler>myeisha: forces you to do what?
07:35<ixi>fishiness confirmed
07:35<myeisha>mshuler: create packages that install implicitly trusted root certs.
07:35<valeriy>I need help in solving some right access problems. I formatted my external hdd (2 Tb) in ext4, now I can't copy anything there and so on without having sudo rights. How can I change that?
07:35<myeisha>embedded hardware and all such things.
07:36<mshuler>myeisha: then as /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian says - create your package with the cert in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates, depend on ca-certificates, and in the postinst, run update-ca-certificates - easy peasy
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07:37<myeisha>mshuler: yes, that's what i'm doing right now. i just hoped there was a "nicer" way, by some metric. :)
07:37<mshuler>on postrm, run update-ca-certificates --fresh (will remove all synlinks first)
07:37<mshuler>myeisha: what the heck is so difficult about that?
07:38<myeisha>mshuler: nothing.
07:38<mshuler>I'm trying really hard to understand what could be "nicer" - I'm the maintainer of the package, btw
07:39<myeisha>and i don't know whether there is anything nicer at all - that's why i'm asking
07:39<myeisha>i'm kind of new to debian packaging as it is
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07:40<voltagex>babilen: for when you get back, 32 bit binaries needed lib32z1 to be able to work
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07:42<mshuler>myeisha: I have some updates going into ca-certificates - some are documentation in that README - what would help someone in your situation - perhaps a dummy "here's an example local cert package stub" to get you started? edit a few things, drop your cert in and roll it up? would that be helpful?
07:43<bernat>valeriy: how are you mounting the filesystem?
07:43<myeisha>mshuler: i'd be thankful, yes
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07:49<valeriy>bernat: just via nautilus
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07:55<KoD3R>well that is all
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08:03<hadret>guys and gals, I'm playing around with LVM mirroring and I encountered couple of issues
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08:03<hadret>I have installed Debian stable on /dev/sda1 (msdos type) with LVM on top of it
08:03<hadret>after installation I attached second device -- exactly the same, as the /dev/sda
08:03<hadret>so I copied partition table via sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb
08:04<hadret>then I added /dev/sdb1 via pvcreate and vgextend to the VG
08:04<hadret>and then I launched lvconvert -m1 nameofvg/nameoflv
08:04<hadret>so far so good -- I can reboot, everything is fine
08:04<hadret>however, I decided to break the mirror, and to remove /dev/sda
08:04<hadret>so, lvconvert -m0 nameofvg/nameoflv /dev/sda1
08:05<hadret>then vgreduce nameofvg /dev/sda1
08:05<hadret>pvremove /dev/sda1
08:05<hadret>and, just to be sure nothing is read from there, parted /dev/sda mklabel gpt
08:05<hadret>afterwards, I installed grub-install /dev/sdb to MBR of /dev/sdb
08:05<bernat>valeriy: I think there's an option for that when formatting
08:06<hadret>however, when I reboot, I'm receiving FATAL: No bootable medium fount! System halted.
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08:07<valeriy>bernat: solved it putting 777 on all folders and chowning them as well
08:07<valeriy>but thanks anyway
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08:16<petrol91>Hi, do you know how can i install grub-efi on working system?
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08:21<petrol91>I've been trying do it like here: but i can't do grub-install because of error with 'efivars'
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08:33<vortek>what happenedto xmms in dwbian i cantfind it, ?and xmm2 just provide a command shell no gui
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08:33<peter1138>xmms is ancient and dead.
08:34<peter1138>xmms2 has a separate gui client.
08:34<vortek>im doing something wrong then
08:34<vortek>i just get its shell
08:35<vortek>can ya tell me how to get the gui?
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08:36<peter1138>Install a package that provides the client, I guess.
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08:37<peter1138>Audacious also provides a winamp-alike interface.
08:38<anton02>vortek: i just ran apt-cache search xmms and got this as one hit but theres others: gxmms2 - XMMS2 client for the GNOME desktop
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08:40<anton02>seems to be a dysfunctional pos though
08:40<vortek>it shows all of xmm2 stuff installed but i dont get a gui
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08:41<anton02>vortek: did you even read what I told you?
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08:41<vortek>yeah you said xmms2
08:41<anton02>no i didnt
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08:42<vortek>gxmms2 - XMMS2 client for the GNOME desktop
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08:43<anton02>try 'apt-get install abraca' it seems to be better
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09:00<JacksonIsaac>hey guys can I do a safe upgrade of sid ?
09:00<themill>at the moment? probably not
09:00<JacksonIsaac>dist-upgrade crashed the previous one So I mounted the old one that I had backed up
09:00<JacksonIsaac>the kernel is 3.2.0 in it
09:01<JacksonIsaac>themill: can I install 3.10-1 instead of 3.10-2
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09:06*bluewater decides that JacksonIsaac needs to rename himself to jackass
09:06<james41382>JacksonIsaac: The current kernel from Wheezy backports is 3.10
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09:09<JacksonIsaac>james41382: so I can safely dist upgrade using wheezy backport ?
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09:11<bluenemo>hi guys. my company does fancy 'server checks', which means login to the server and view logfiles in less. for some reason i am to build sth that puts all the logfiles in a pdf; including the companys logo. any fancy tools for that? sth like pdftool --header-image image.jpg --file1=file1 --file2=file2 and so on..
09:11<james41382>JacksonIsaac: If you have a system running Wheezy and it's all working good add backports to sources.list and install the 3.10 kernel from backports..
09:11<james41382>excuse me...
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09:11<james41382>oh n/m they both give a link.. heh
09:11<JacksonIsaac>I already had upgraded to sid
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09:12<james41382>JacksonIsaac: I don't know what to tell you.
09:12<james41382>JacksonIsaac: Undo what you did or reinstall from scratch then check out backports
09:12<jhon1>i am from colombia in south america
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09:13<jhon1>where are you?
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09:17<Wezz>Small question. I have an entry in fstab : storage:/vol/data /store nfs rw,vers=3,mountvers=3,nfsvers=3,rsize=65536,wsize=65536,hard,intr,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=3,sec=sys 0 0
09:18<Wezz>That always worked. Now I upgraded (dist-upgrade) to wheezy, and after a reboot I have my mount, but also the same mount as an nfs4 mount
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09:18<Wezz>where does wheezy get that information ? :/
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09:28<void-soul>i try install xorg in sid installed by debootstray, but I get this error "liblocale-gettext-perl: PreDepends: perlapi-5.14.2 Which is a virtual package." someone knows how to solve?
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09:29<themill>sid is often not directly installable. It's not at the moment.
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09:29*themill wonders if sid should be like this more often to remind people what it was designed for
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09:30<void-soul>themill, even installing with debootstrap?
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09:37<aboudreault>what is the best tool to use to create a debian repository these days?
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09:38<themill>depends how much you're going to use it and how often you'll interact with it. reprepro is popular
09:38<Stummi>depends on what exactly you want. Just Own packages, mirroring something?
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09:40<aboudreault>It's to build something similar to a launchpad PPA. So it will be public.
09:41<jhon1>how are you?
09:41<jhon1>I am from colombia of south america
09:42<Blizzbob>can i add my own server in /etc/apt/source ??
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09:50<Stummi>Blizzbob, if your server is an repository, sure
09:50<Stummi>(assuming you mean sources.list)
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10:04<thefarcry118>I've compiled my own kernel (3.10.9) from, however, I did not use the $ARCH config file. I've installed the kernel headers, image (vmlinux) onto my system. Once booted, nouveau works on my GTX 560ti perfectly straight after the kernel has booted. Alas, nvidia kernel module fails to build, which means I can't start X with the blob drivers.
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10:05<thefarcry118>the dkms module fails when installing, with Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.10.9 (x86_64)
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10:19<unknown>any one here
10:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:22<bluewater>no one here but us chickens
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10:37<perplexeduser>hi there! can anyone helping me with an open (and traffic real sucking) udp connection not showing on netstat ?
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10:37<perplexeduser>(nor in lsof)
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10:45<gnugr>perplexeduser:check if "netstat -ltun" works
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10:46<perplexeduser>nothing useful
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10:46<perplexeduser>i got iftop running and the connection is there, constantly sucking up my bandwidth
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10:48<perplexeduser>but that same connection is not shown on “netstat -aunp” nor in “lsof”
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10:49<gnugr>try with "netstat -ntu"
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10:50<gnugr>oh yes, its correct, check it
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10:56<gnugr>perplexeduser:also try with "netstat -alpn" more results
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10:57<perplexeduser>nothing u.u
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10:57<perplexeduser>(Im filtering results using | grep [PORT])
10:58<hubert_>Can you speak polish?
10:58<perplexeduser>not me, sorry
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11:17<gnugr>perplexeduser:for filtering result also try "netstat -tulpn | gerp :port"
11:17<perplexeduser>already tried
11:17<perplexeduser>and its UDP traffic
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12:27<kie27>greetings all. quick hardware related question... buying a new laptop as am travelling and doing some paid photography (darktable is awesome). Always run debian. The upcoming macbook pro retina seems attractive due to the high screen resolution and the haswell chipset. Am I likely to be able to get debian to run on it? I would wipe OSX completely.
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12:29<Maulkin>kie27: hrm... I think that's unknown until it actually comes out
12:29<babilen>kie27: Not sure about the Macbook pro retina, but completely new hardware is sometimes tricky to get working on Linux. I would personally recommend any Thinpad and in particular their T line as they work just wonderfully with Linux (don't necessarily get optimus and definitely go for the Intel Centrino wireless)
12:29<babilen>kie27: I wouldn't be surprised if it takes some months for it to be actually usable if it uses really new hardware.
12:30<Maulkin>kie27: may help for the current one.
12:30<berto>I agree, thinkpad is usually a safe choice
12:30<berto>and they're superb imo
12:30<Maulkin>The X1 carbon is also fine
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12:30<berto>but that's a matter of taste of course
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12:30<Maulkin> may be good too
12:31<Maulkin>Or just
12:31<SamB>I thought thinkpad had gone way downhill since IBM sold it
12:31<babilen>I am yet to find another hardware vendor with that level of Linux support as Thinpads. It was also the dominating hardware choice at Debconf by far and almost every Debian developer uses one, so .. :)
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12:32<SamB>(is thinpad something different?)
12:32<babilen>SamB: We all moan the loss of ou trustworthy T42s but I still liked my T60 or my current T420
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12:33<kie27>thanks. that is helpful. my current laptop is doing well considering it is 7 years old, but it is slow for heavy image processing and the screen is deteriorating and an external screen is not really an option while I am travelling..
12:33<berto>it's true that most open source hackers that I know have either a thinkpad or a macbook
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12:33<Maulkin>kie27: Also, see the thinkpad X1 carbon. Macbook airs work well too apparently.
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12:34<Maulkin>Basically: expensive (~1.5k USD) laptops generally have better supported chips in them becuase they're not full of random chinese knockoffs.
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12:35<berto>kie27: if you're working on photography profesionally you need a good screen, I cannot comment on that level
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12:35<berto>kie27: my thinkpad screen is just fine for my needs
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12:36<SamB>Maulkin: chinese don't make decent knockoffs yet?
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12:38<kie27>had a couple of dell IPS screens on my Desktop which both broke, the screen on my laptop is just not good enough now for what I need..
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12:40<SamB>okay, yeah, I don't have to remember much electrical engineering to know that you can't make a 6800 uF cap by putting a 2200 uF cap in a bigger can ...
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12:48<zumbi>that picture is pretty cool.. remembers me of PXA chips without silicon inside (after X ray them)
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13:06<GI_Jack>in the debian installer, if I have a USB stick with network firmware, and the installed doesn't auto-detect it or mount it, where can I mount the drive to get the installer to find the firmware
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13:09<musca>!installer firmware
13:09<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
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13:11<manik_>I always get stuck at the installation step while installing Debian. Sigh.
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13:14<musca>manik_: there is a log on tty4
13:14<manik_>tty4? Didn't get you. It just doesn't go further. musca
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13:19<musca>manik_: linux provides several virtual consoles, you can switch between them with Alt-F4 and back with Alt-F1
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13:19<tweek>manik_: think of the ttys as something like different tabs in a browser: your installer is on tty1, switch to tty4 by hitting alt + f4
13:19<manik_>Got it. Let me try and get another installation. Hopefully it works this time USB-ISO method. tweek musca
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13:20<musca>manik_: check your download with md5sum
13:20<manik_>done musca
13:20<musca>dont use unetbootin for creation of your media.
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13:22<manik_>why so? Has been good for me musca
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13:23<musca>!usb install
13:23<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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13:24<musca>manik_: some users reported broken installers, not finding the "CDROM"
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13:24<manik_>any other GUI software you would recommend for burning Debian
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13:25<manik_>ISo miusca
13:25<musca>see what dpkg said ^^
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13:27<manik_>dpkg musca Thanks. :)
13:27<dpkg>manik_: I don't know, could you explain it?
13:27<manik_>USB ISO dpkg
13:28<musca>manik_: it's a robot
13:28<manik_>lulz musca
13:28<LtL>manik_: try /msg dpkg keyword
13:28<manik_>ltl I think I will now try with its installation
13:28<LtL>manik_: :)
13:29<manik_>dpkg Write ISo in Ubuntu
13:29<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, manik_
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13:30<LtL>yeah, dpkg is a good bot 'eh
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13:30<manik_>ltl :)
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13:31<vortek>what file do i edit to close open ports or services
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13:32<dpkg>To view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>; or use ls, ln and mv in /etc/rc?.d/ . The /etc/services file provides a port numbers list, which is updated from and other sources. The 'service' command (used to run an init script) is packaged for Debian in sysvinit-utils. See also <disable services>.
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13:33<musca>!tell vortek about disable services
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13:36<GI_Jack>problem solved, using wrong package ver
13:36<bremner>I have an annoying CUPS related bug: if I print the same text file twice in a row, the first time is fine, the second I get the postscript (PDF?) source.
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13:38<kevix>seen that issue with cups. maybe the initial part of the processed file gets truncated?
13:38<kevix>like a preamble to setup the printer
13:39<bremner>I wondered. Or if the printer gets left in a bad mode
13:39<ompaul>bremner: what driver?
13:39<bremner>Generic PDF
13:39<ompaul>bremner: what kind of printer and what kind of document
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13:39<kevix>ah. if left in a bad state from the previous job, then the next job should reinitialize the printer
13:40<ompaul>as it proved by the first time it initialised it
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13:40<bremner>it's lexmark cs310dn, the file is ascii text
13:40<ompaul>and what happens to the "next" document after that
13:40<ompaul>print one page
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13:40<bremner>ompaul: I can't really test that, because I have to power off the printer
13:40<ompaul>eh no
13:41<ompaul>cancel the print job on the printer
13:41<bremner>doesn't work, it starts up again after 15-30 seconds
13:41<ompaul>so then either (A) its duping the doc on board or externally or (B) cups has not finished off loading it (C) something else
13:42<ompaul>bremner: give me two mins to try and find something about data and that printer
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13:44<ekiwok>how can I install pulseaudio for testing on wheezy?
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13:45<manik_>Anybody else getting stuck at "Waiting for headers" today while installing something?
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13:48<ompaul>bremner: I'm trying to find a download of a PPD file for this printer you have
13:48<ompaul>bremner: the only idea I have right now is to test the 530 ppd file against it
13:48<ompaul>that's the only cs series
13:48<bremner>yeah, I downloaded one from lexmark, but I had some different problem with that
13:49<bremner>I guess I should test that again.
13:49<ompaul>generally the ppd file should "just work"
13:49<ompaul>how old is the cups server and is it a network or wired printer?
13:49<bremner>yeah, well, clever lexmark embeds calls to a filter script in the PPD
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13:49<bremner>I'm running cups from Wheezy, connected via USB
13:49<ompaul>bremner: you can get those filter files (usually in the windows software)
13:50<ompaul>I had to do this for low end cups on laptops
13:50<ompaul>sorry low end samsungs on laptops
13:50<ompaul>but for the busy office printers
13:50<ompaul>that's another day's work
13:50<manik_>and now connection failed
13:51<ompaul>manik_: what version of debian?
13:51<manik_>Lubuntu latest version ompaul
13:51<ompaul>manik_: sorry you are in the wwrong place for that let me get the bot to instruct
13:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
13:52<manik_>ompaul no, but have been getting this throughout this day. Must be some issue.
13:52<ompaul>manik_: its not a debian issue
13:53<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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13:54<ompaul>manik_: still the wrong place
13:54<manik_>ompaul got it
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14:01<bremner>ompaul: fwiw, switching to the lexmard PPD causes the printer to go into a "Waiting" state on the second job. This at least I can cancel out of.
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14:02<ompaul>bremner: this text file - check it in a hex editor and make sure you don't have some hidden characters at the its foot
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14:05<nocturnal>how do you handle both ethernet and wlan on a laptop in wheezy? I've installed the ifmetric package and set metric 0 on my ethernet and metric 1 on my wlan but starting with the ethernet cable in still brings both interfaces up and default route is actually via wlan0
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14:05<nocturnal>disclaimer, I know ifmetric is not for bringing interfaces up/down.
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14:07<jello> /sb clear
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14:08<bremner>ompaul: same symptoms with 'echo "hello world" | lpr"
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14:08<vortek>weres sysv-rc.conf located
14:08<ompaul>bremner: try a doc from open office
14:08<nocturnal>I just realized I could create a bond and prefer eth0
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14:12<vortek>musca, were are those files located that i have to disable?
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14:12<trico>what log file would show kernel errors? my computer keeps locking up since i updated the kernel today. i cannot connect over ssh when its frozen either
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14:13<NbZ2>Channel #grsecurity is dead?
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14:27<dpkg>grsecurity is a patch set to enhance Linux kernel security: provides an ACL system, auditing capabilities and institutes measures to prevent common system exploits. Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-grsecurity2, read /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian to apply. #grsecurity on, ##grsecurity on
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14:30<vortek>were inetd.conf located cuase its not in /etc
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14:34<musca>vortek: did you install the package?
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14:38<gnugr>vortek:sysv.rc.conf located there
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14:58<GI_Jack>why is the default config for ssh have it on port 1919 and password logins disabled
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14:58<GI_Jack>you just confused the living fuck out of my n00b
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15:01<blubberdiblub>GI_Jack, it isn't? default is port 22 and password logins allowed
15:01<jello>GI_Jack: default port for sshd in Debian is 22
15:01<GI_Jack>got too many people editing a conf file
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15:03<vortek>were can i put my iptables commands so i dont have to retype them every time 'i reboot
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15:06<peter1138>install iptables-persistent
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15:18<beojan>I have an eGalax touchscreen that is correctly detected (i.e. it appears in the output of xinput)
15:19<beojan>however, touching the screen does not move the pointer
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15:21<ekiwok>is this possible to install testing pulseaudio on stable?
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15:24<ekiwok>I have no sound issue after instalation wheezy and think installing new pulseaudio is the solution
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15:57<bremner>ompaul: sorry, sidetracked by Real Work (TM). printing via lowriter and echo foo|lpr seems to be the same. It prints OK, but aftwards the printer displays "Waiting" and blinks, and won't print further. If I cancel on the printer, it goes into a step where it prints what looks like garbage.
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15:58<ompaul>bremner: what is in the cups queue
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15:59<bremner>ompaul: empty
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16:00<ompaul>bremner: so cups is either (A) not sending it or (B) is sending it but that would be slightly insane
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16:00<ompaul>and I think cups would be doing it for more than your printer
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16:01<lOOza>, bäh...
16:01<ompaul>bremner: check out a couple of things like the actual settings on the printer (maybe they need alteration)
16:01<ompaul>and try a pdf and .doc to the printer
16:01<bremner>ompaul: oh, wait, maybe it just takes an incredibly long time to stop waiting...
16:02<ompaul>bremner: you can tell cups to abort bad jobs
16:02<sney>the printer here behaves like that sometimes. I filed a bug a while back and it generally seems the foomatic driver is screwy
16:02<sney>as far as cups is concerned everything is fine, of course
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16:02<sney>the "takes forever to stop waiting" behavior fits, too
16:03<ompaul>sney: he's using the ppd from lexmark right now
16:04<bremner>yeah, but I think the lexmark ppd says foomatic in it also
16:04<ompaul>mixed up filter ...
16:04<ompaul>go check your filter
16:04<ompaul>as I said unbundle the windows file and find the filter
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16:05<bremner>I have the filter from lexmark. It runs sed on some PJL
16:06<sney>lexmark... I used to see lexmark laser printers where the ps interpreter card would fail
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16:06<bremner>I guess I should install the .deb from lexmark, see what happens.
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16:19<cogito>what does it mean when synaptic says a package is not autenticated?
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16:20<lostatwork>means there is no gpg signature for that repo or package
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16:20<lostatwork>is the package from a non-standard repo ?
16:20<cogito>Is that normal for deb-multimedia or did i make a mistake?
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16:22<lostatwork>yeah it would be normal if you did not install their key
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16:23<cogito>i was about to install the keyring, that's the not autenticated package
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16:27<bremner>cogito: ooc, what do you need that isn't in debian (or non-free) ?
16:28<cogito>bremner: DVD copy software.
16:29<SamB>cogito: yeah, that happens because we don't have the keyring package in Debian
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17:07<ekiwok>I have no sound after wheezy installation :(
17:08<kevix>the common issue is to use alsamixer and see if anything is muted
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17:09<kevix>or to see if audio devices are shown in dmesg and /var/log/messages
17:10<ekiwok>kevix, I checked it's not the problem, the problem is pulseaudio version on Jessie everything works fine but I cannot stay on testing
17:11<ekiwok>kevix, now alsa does not see any audio card
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17:13<ekiwok>while lspci | grep -i audio gives:
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17:16<kevix>have you tried using aplay?
17:16<ekiwok>I cannot even restart alsa
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17:17<kevix>ekiwok: can you remove of move the current config file? I am guessing that its an older format and if you remove it, alsa will recreate it with the current format?
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17:18<ekiwok>kevix, I'll try, where do I find this config?
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17:21<kevix>ekiwok: try this: less /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
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17:23<ekiwok>kevix, my /var/lib/alsa is empty (sudo ls -a ) also I dont have ~./asoundrc and even /etc/asound.conf
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17:28<ekiwok>kevix, do you know how coud I install newer libasound?
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17:30<kevix>oh, sorry, dont know.
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18:22<vortek>hey what happened to enlighenment in debian?
18:23<vortek>it has no instalation canidate no more
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18:24<abrotman>in which version of Debian ?
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18:25<vortek>what ever version that is
18:25<cogito>How can i move /tmp to a partition with more space?
18:25<vortek>i instaled fomr net install cd
18:26<abrotman>vortek: e16 was in squeeze, nothing in wheezy, e17 is in jessie
18:26<vortek>what am i running hoq do i tell
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18:27<LtL>vortek: lsb_release -a
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18:28<abrotman>vortek: okay, so what are you looking for? just enlightenemnt?
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18:29<vortek>what is jessie / sid?
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18:29<vortek>well im just running debian on my home machine
18:30<vortek>is testing unstable workable or is it broke
18:30<lord_rob>there are backports for e17 I suppose
18:30<grove>Where is judd?
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18:31<lord_rob>(dunno I'm using sid)
18:31<vortek>sid=testing unstable?
18:31<grove>sid = unstable
18:31<abrotman>vortek: it depends on the day of the week
18:32<vortek>i wonder if i should make the swithc to jessie?
18:32<bernat>vortek, rather go for backports
18:33<vortek>is e17 in backprots?
18:33<abrotman>judd: versions e17
18:33<lord_rob>rather not bernat I don't see e17
18:33<judd>Package: e17 on i386 -- jessie: 0.16.999.70492-2; sid: 0.17.3-1
18:33*abrotman doesn't see a backport
18:33<bernat>you can try backport it yourself
18:33<vortek>i dont know what u mean by that
18:33<abrotman>judd: checkbackport e17
18:33<judd>Backporting package e17 in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libeet-dev (>= 1.7.7), libeio-dev (>= 1.7.7), libedje-dev (>= 1.7.7), libefreet-dev (>= 1.7.7), libecore-dev (>= 1.7.7), libedbus-dev (>= 1.7.7), libevas-dev (>= 1.7.7), libedje-bin (>= 1.7.7).
18:34<lord_rob>welcome to the dependancy hell ;)
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18:34<bernat>good trick :-)
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18:34<abrotman>you could check each of those in turn
18:34<cogito>Why can't he just use e16?
18:35<bernat>well, I don't know what would be better, a lot of transitions going on lately
18:35<abrotman>cogito: you tell us, you're fairly bright
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18:35<abrotman>bernat: and they will continue
18:35<cogito>abrotman: nope, just a noob
18:35<abrotman>no wai
18:36<vortek>wonder if i should just run jessie
18:36<cogito>just wondering since e16 worked for squeeze, maybe it would work on wheezy
18:37*vortek wathes the experts talk
18:38<lord_rob>too bad it has been removed from stable but ...
18:38<cogito>anyways, i'm here because the "default" partitionning i did when i installed Wheezy put all but /home on one small partition, so now it's full and i need to move /tmp to the same partition as /home
18:39<vortek>well is jessie stable enought to run?
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18:40<bernat>vortek, there's a lot of transitions going on so it's expected to be unstable
18:40<vortek>i just want e17 :(
18:40<bernat>since you can go back from jessie to wheezy, I'd rather try backporting e17
18:40<bernat>right :-)
18:41<lord_rob>it's only in unstable that there seems to be a stable version of e17 ;)
18:41<vortek>im debating on runing unstable
18:41<vortek>i ran it in the past
18:42<vortek>but now my debian skills have deminished
18:42*kevix thinks folks dont know the debian development lifecycle
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18:42<abrotman>right, because if testing is messy, unstable is probably better ..
18:42*bernat lols
18:43*kevix keeps thinking brotman is brotwust
18:43*lord_rob feels the irony
18:43<abrotman>I'm the breadman
18:43<vortek>what should i do then?
18:43<cogito>abrotman: That's why Ubuntu uses unstable
18:43<abrotman>cogito: you're clearly not qualified to make any judgements
18:43<vortek>ill try unstable i guess
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18:44<lord_rob>lots of distro use unstable as base I'd say
18:44<vortek>can i get i hint as what i need to change to get unstable
18:44<abrotman>vortek: it's really not a good idea .. do you really need enlightenment ?
18:44<vortek>all the windows managers are ugle in stable
18:44<abrotman>all of them? you tried all 30 of them?
18:45<vortek>what the best eyecandy
18:45<abrotman>probably gnome3 or kde
18:45<bernat>vortek, prepare for the worst
18:45<abrotman>depends on your PoV
18:45<abrotman>vortek: if you need e17, i'd say to use jessie, not sid
18:45<vortek>what version of gnome does the net install install?
18:45<abrotman>judd: versions gnome-shell
18:45<judd>Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie: 3.4.2-15; sid: 3.4.2-15; experimental: 3.8.4-1
18:46<vortek>cuase i hated that version
18:46<lord_rob>tastes and colors ... it's a matter of taste
18:46<abrotman>vortek: so use jessie, but don't be surprised when it breaks
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18:47<vortek>i forget what files i have to edit to make my sytem run jessie
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18:47<j_5>can i get some help here
18:47<vortek>its been a while
18:47<abrotman>dpkg: tell vortek about wheezy->jessie
18:48<abrotman>be prepared for ugly
18:48<grove>Why does judd default to i386, isn't amd64 more common these days? (I know that it basically only makes a difference for linux-image)
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18:48<abrotman>grove: I believe i386 still has the most packages
18:48<bernat>vortek, you're gonna miss the ugly window managers in wheezy :-)
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18:49<bernat>j_5, just ask
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18:49<lord_rob>running sid is fun especially when it breaks, it's very instructive usually
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18:50<j_5>VT6105/VT6106S [Rhine-III] shows as Non-VGA unclassified device in Wheezy
18:50<j_5>so i cant get it to work even after loading via-rhine
18:50<magnetophon>dpkg: could you be a bit more leach friendly?
18:50<dpkg>i don't know, magnetophon
18:50<abrotman>j_5: run 'update-pciids'
18:50<magnetophon>I know dpkg is a bot, but why is it so secretive?
18:51<j_5>lemme try that
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18:51<lord_rob>j_5: as root I suppose
18:51<abrotman>magnetophon: feel free to '/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie'
18:51<j_5>abrotman : yep, do i need to restart?
18:51<abrotman>j_5: no
18:52<j_5>looks change in the output
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18:52<j_5>any other way...i tried searching around but no one faced this problem before i guess
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18:53<abrotman>j_5: .. show us "lspci -nn"
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18:54<magnetophon>abrotman: sure, but why not make it spit out its info in public by default?
18:54<abrotman>magnetophon: noisy bots are annoying
18:55<bernat>magnetophon, it does when you use it in the channel
18:55<abrotman>if oyu ask the bot three tihngs in a row, that floods the channel, conversations scroll away, makes support hard
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18:55<magnetophon>abrotman: ok, fair enough
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18:56<j_51> disconnected
18:56<j_51>abrotman :
18:56*abrotman looks
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18:59<abrotman>j_51: so what about it doesn't work ?
18:59<j_51>thing is that i shows as "cable unplugged" in NM
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18:59<abrotman>is it managed in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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19:00<abrotman>does it possibly require firmware?
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19:00<abrotman>are there errors in dmesg relating to your NIC?
19:00<j_51>not sure though..i just got this card today, a Dlink DFE520TX
19:01<bernat>pastebin /var/log/dmesg?
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19:01<abrotman>oh, so you are trying to use the realtek card or the rhine or both ?
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19:08<j_5>abrotman: i dont see anything in dmesg related to that card
19:08<j_5>maybe cos via-rhine is not automatically loaded
19:09<sney>debian will automagically load modules for detected hardware
19:09<abrotman>j_5: they asked you to patsebin your dmesg
19:09<sney>it could be that your nic is sufficiently brand new that the via-rhine module doesn't support it in that kernel version
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19:10<abrotman>he could try the BPO kernel
19:10<j_51>abrotman :u mean 3.10
19:10<bernat>j_5, how does NM know about your network card without modules loaded?
19:11<abrotman>it could still rquire firmware for actually working
19:11<j_51>it actually dosent display in NM
19:11<j_51>only after modprobe via-rhine then it shows
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19:12<bernat><j_51> thing is that i shows as "cable unplugged" in NM
19:12<patrickd>abrotman: What is the BPO kernel?
19:12<bernat>dmesg should show related messages after modprobe
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19:13<abrotman>patrickd: backports
19:13<j_51>bernat : yep it did
19:13<sney>since when is there a wheezy-backports kernel
19:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
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19:14<sney>since now, I guess. /me goes back to his corner
19:14<j_51>bernat :
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19:15<patrickd>abrotman: judd: Thanks
19:15<bernat>that's all?
19:15<abrotman>sney: almost right after release actually
19:15<sney>there was something in backports that I was looking for that wasn't in yet, I thought it was a kernel, must not have been
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19:24<j_511>i have tried getting the drivers from VIA website but it shows that the drivers there support till kernel 2.6
19:24<abrotman>you likely don't need them
19:24<j_511>so is that a problem with this lan card
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19:25<abrotman>did you check the cable?
19:25<j_511>yup...i was working for my laptop
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19:26<kyle__>سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ
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19:29<jordemort>^ that's that "apple string of death" that's going around
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19:30<jordemort>crashes anything on mac os or ios that uses coretext for rendering
19:30<abrotman>should i report him to his ISP?
19:30<jordemort>if you'd think it would be productive
19:30<Infiltrator>You should probably report it to the coretext devs. :P
19:30<jordemort>people who join to spam that should probably be kickbanned at the very least
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19:31<abrotman>he already quit ...
19:31<jordemort>lots of bots joining channels and emitting that string and then leaving at random
19:32<jordemort>reminds me of the bad old days
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19:38<vortek>remember that bot net that used a whole subnet and had like 245 bot joining the channel?
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19:40<bugtraq>evil twin no start
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19:57<vortek>were can i direct a user for ubuntu help?
19:57<sney>#ubuntu on
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20:31<vortek>is there a way to turn my volume up past its limit in the alsa mixer?
20:32<abrotman>you want to go to 11?
20:33*abrotman didn't tihnk the reference was that obscure ..
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20:33<vortek>i just know i got some music and its kinda low so i need to turn the volume up past what alsa mixer allows
20:33<vortek>how would i do this?
20:34<LtL>vortek: plug an amplifier into the sound output jack
20:35<vortek>isnt there a program i can use to up the volume?
20:35<LtL>vortek: an EQ if the program has one
20:35*vortek doesnt want to plug his guitar amp in hehe
20:36<vortek>whats a good mixer?
20:36<LtL>you'd need a jack adapter for that
20:36<vortek>sound mixer?
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20:36<LtL>amarok, audacious both have EQ's iirc
20:36<fefe>if you're playing realtime sounds an EQ whould help
20:37<vortek>im using abraca
20:37<fefe>if you're playing MP3 and so, try increasing level with an editor like audacity
20:37<abrotman>that's a horrible idea
20:37<fefe>but it will sound horrible at some points :P
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20:38<fefe>you can measure sound clipping
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20:39<fefe>if it is clipping and volume is still low, then you need better hardware like amplifiers or active speakers
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20:39<vortek>well it sounded fine accept for the 60 minute mp3s are low as hell
20:40<magnetophon>vortek: you might wanna lookup what a limiter is and what ladspa is.
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20:41<magnetophon>vortek: if the volume is low during all of the mp3, forget the limiter, just install audacity and normalize
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20:44<bremner>there are lighter weight tools to renormalize mp3s as well
20:44<vortek>its jyst low for a few mp3s
20:45<bremner>try mp3gain
20:47<LtL>vortek: record better mp3's man, whomever recorded them messed up.
20:48<gamer>who knows the best wine and standard linux fp shooter games
20:48<vortek>audicity worked
20:48<gamer>i have narrowed it down to the best 2 games
20:48<gamer>that work on linux
20:48<gamer> for wine and the other linux both running in full speed
20:48<gamer>no lag or anything
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20:49<vortek>what r they
20:49<gamer>tribes 2 for wine and day of defeat for steam
20:49<gamer>tribes 2 is free u can play right now download it
20:49<gamer>play game mode rabbit on the map escalade thats all its worth
20:49<gamer>no but the graphics are unbeliveabe
20:49<gamer>u played tribes before
20:49<fefe>I didn't try newer FPS games but countr strike works excellent in the no-steam and steam version under linux
20:49<vortek>first person shooter?
20:50<fefe>quake live too
20:50<gamer>tribes 2 man get it on file planet its free now
20:50<gamer>it works on wine
20:50<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
20:50<gamer>try escalade map in rabbit mode its like chase the guy with the flahh and kill him
20:50<gamer>the maps is extremely beautiful best u ever saw on linux im sure
20:50<fefe>k, my first day here, and dpkg has a point :D
20:50<gamer>you guys ever played tribes
20:51<gamer>or tribes 2
20:51<gamer>u gotta learn how to fly
20:51<gamer>with jet packs
20:51<fefe>yes it's cool :P
20:51<gamer>u should try day of defeat for steam and play on merils maurauders
20:51<LtL>stop already | off topic !
20:51<gamer>not day of defat source
20:52<LtL>thank you
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21:02<vortek>it says i dont have enough space in/var/apt/cache/archives to do a dist-upgrade what should i do im totaly lost here please help?
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21:03<Apollo>vortek: make space
21:03<fefe>sudo apt-get autoclean
21:04<fefe>and as Apollo said, you should check space :P
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21:05<LtL>good luck
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21:08<fefe>where you from vortex?
21:09<abrotman>how is that relevant?
21:09<vortek>that guide is no help :(
21:09<fefe>oh sorry should I send a private to ask things like that?
21:10<fefe>I see abrotman
21:10<abrotman>vortek: apt-get clean, df -h, how much space is on /var/ ?
21:10<fefe>not managing irc codes yet
21:10<nickrw>I'm trying to follow the steps to make my fakeraid'd system bootable (, but I'm stuck at the end because grub-probe says "cannot find a device for /dev/mapper/isw_[blah
21:10<nickrw>even outside the chroot /target environment
21:11<shirty>g++ returns a value right?
21:12<vortek>df -h aint showing Var
21:12<Apollo>shirty: ?
21:12<vortek>i mean /var
21:13<shirty>is the're a shell scripting channel
21:13<shirty>that where I should be asking my question
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21:13<shirty>I tried #bash and #sh
21:13<abrotman>shirty: #bash on
21:13<shirty>abrotman: thx!
21:14<vortek>abrotman, df -h aint showing /var
21:14<abrotman>vortek: so what's /?
21:15<vortek>oh wait i got it
21:15<abrotman>you can just type "df -h /var/" , it will show the partition it resides on
21:15<vortek>542 meg avalalble
21:15<vortek>and in doing a dist upgrade
21:15<abrotman>that's not very much
21:15<vortek>so i need more space
21:15<abrotman>vortek: du -sh /var/log/
21:15<vortek>what can i do
21:15<abrotman>stop hitting enter so often
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21:16<vortek>18m is the output of that command
21:16<abrotman>vortek: using, show us 'du -sh /*'
21:17<abrotman>and 'df -h'
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21:19<Spartan>Hey, i can't use the kernel code vga=normal nomodeset, it worked in the past and now it doesn't. I need to disable framebuffer in GRUB so that i can acess the system. Any ideas?
21:21<abrotman>vortek: you need to let it finish
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21:22<vortek>how long can that take?
21:22<abrotman>i have no idea
21:23<nn_atombook>I just found out something horrifying. Gnome 3 now requires pulse audio && every time I change the volume via my keyboard it over writes not one volume but three setting. I came to Linux to gain more control. Not loose it.
21:24<nn_atombook>How do I ( some how ) find advanced config to pulse
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21:24<nn_atombook>I have looked at the .pulse however it looks like all db files
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21:25<nn_atombook>I can't find any on line docs. and Pulses internal settings are almost as bad or worse then windows.
21:25<nn_atombook>Alsa finally got it right. Now pulse messes it all up :(
21:26<abrotman>vortek: your / is small, you may want to symlink /var/cache/apt/archives/ to somewhere on /home/ so you can complete the upgrade
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21:27<nn_atombook>Anyone know how to handle pulse at an advanced level ? Like what it controls volume wise?
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21:28<abrotman>vortek: mkdir /home/apt-archives/ && rm -r /var/cache/apt/archives/ && ln -s /home/apt-archives/ /var/cache/apt/archives/
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21:30<vortek>root@vortek-PC:/# mkdir /home/apt-archives/ && rm -r /var/cache/apt/archives/ && ln -s /home/apt-archives/ /var/cache/apt/archives/
21:30<vortek>ln: target `/var/cache/apt/archives/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
21:31<vortek>what did i do wrong
21:31<nn_atombook>Sigh, no matter how much I like gnome, it might be time to say good bye. Its getting messily simple. Looks nice, works well. Just its starting to lose customizable.
21:31<abrotman>sorry, leave off the last /
21:32<abrotman>vortek: mkdir /home/apt-archives/ && rm -r /var/cache/apt/archives/ && ln -s /home/apt-archives/ /var/cache/apt/archives
21:32<abrotman>i think
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21:33<abrotman>ln -s /home/apt-archives/ /var/cache/apt/archives
21:34<vortek>now what
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21:34<abrotman>do your upgrade
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21:34<vortek>k thankyou !!!
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21:37<vortek> is slow
21:37<vortek>how do i find a faster mirror
21:38<abrotman>it's a round robin
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21:38<vortek>it drops tp 60K
21:38<vortek>my max is 90K
21:39<vortek>then it jumps to 79K
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21:40<bremner>vortek: try using "" as a mirror
21:40<vortek>its holding at 45K now\
21:41<vortek>what file do i edit to change the mirros
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21:42<shuxiong>I'm packaging something that produces *.jar. I choose library in dh_make. In this case, should I provide a man file while I am packaging? a man file looks like xxx.1.
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21:42<shuxiong>it is a java library
21:42<bremner>shuxiong: did you mean to ask in #debian-mentors ?
21:43<shuxiong>bremner, thanks
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21:56<vortek>hrm debian wont tell me how long i got to go for my disr-upgrade to comple
21:57<vortek>and it aint telling me what speed im dling at
21:57<vortek>what wrong?
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21:57<abrotman>just be patient .. jeez
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21:57<vortek>weell it said 2 hours to 3 hours nefore
21:58<vortek>but now it aint saying nohting
21:58<vortek>how come?
21:59<vortek>id like to know what speed im dling at
21:59<vortek>like it said before
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22:00<vortek>but sence i changed mirrors it dont tell me nothing
22:03<vortek>now its showing :)
22:06<chealer>!tell vortek about enter
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22:07<vortek>thankyou for thst information
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22:16<Jums>hi guys
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22:17<blakue_tsunoda>Just kidding its Gene.
22:17<Jums>sup g
22:17<abrotman>blakue_tsunoda: do you need help with Debian?
22:17<abrotman>oh .. twins
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22:18<blakue_tsunoda>I want to know how to install Gnome 2
22:18<blakue_tsunoda>on my debian Wheezy
22:18<abrotman>you cannot
22:18<abrotman>next question?
22:18<Jums>no one wants to help you chinos
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22:18<abrotman>and that will be both of them, yay
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23:24<toothpick>which channel is this?
23:25<vortek>the dedbian help channel
23:25<vortek>just ask your question and someone should awnser
23:25<toothpick>oh okay thank you. I might be in wrong one. I am looking for help with gnome3
23:25<toothpick>for debian. Should i goto debian-gnome?
23:25<vortek>in debian?
23:25<toothpick>yes Sir
23:25<vortek>ask in here?
23:26<vortek>or try that other channel
23:26<toothpick>okay. Well this might be very simple. I'm liking gnome 3. I have an exe file that runs under wine
23:26<toothpick>just by double clicking on it
23:26<toothpick>i'm trying to figure out how to add that as a shortcut to my desktop
23:27<toothpick>i tried one approach
23:27<toothpick>by creating a soft link
23:27<toothpick>that does not work as the application does not launch
23:29<LtL>toothpick: make it a hard link then, that should work.
23:30<toothpick>thank you Sir. but i'm not sure how to do that
23:31<LtL>toothpick: man ln
23:31<LtL>toothpick: its easy
23:31<toothpick>LtL: ok sir I'm doing that now
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23:33<toothpick>LtL: i found the syntax in man page. I am not sure if i understand the difference between the two
23:34<toothpick>what is the difference between hardlink and softlink
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23:35<LtL>toothpick: ln /path/to/file /home/username/Desktop
23:36<LtL>toothpick: a soft link is just a trail so to speak, a hard link it the actual file in two places
23:37<toothpick>then I believe I want the softlink because the exe file has dependencies ?
23:37<LtL>toothpick: ln -s /path/to/file /home/username/Desktop <- softlink
23:38<LtL>toothpick: i can't honestly say, try it
23:38<toothpick>I just tried hardlink by issuing the command. It does not work . I want the equivalent to a shortcut (i hate to say it but like in Windows)
23:38<toothpick>thank you LtL I really appreciate your help.. Wonderful community that tries it's bes
23:39<LtL>toothpick: hrm, it works with a text file, dunno about .exe files
23:39<adga>Windows is shit!
23:40*vortek agrees
23:40<LtL>toothpick: did it put a icon on your desktop
23:40<vortek>hey after i do a dist upgrade , do i have to reboot?
23:40<LtL>vortek: yes
23:41<toothpick>i do not see any items on desktop in gnome 3
23:41<LtL>holding your breath is optional
23:41<toothpick>if i navigate to my home folder, i see them appear under Desktop folder
23:41<toothpick>i believe gnome3 hides all the desktop icons because of new design philosophy (which i do like)?
23:41<LtL>toothpick: it was done wrong or gnome3 is different then.. which i kind of expected
23:42<toothpick>maybe I can better explain my scenario
23:42<LtL>toothpick: the desktop folder is the only way looks like.
23:42<toothpick>I have a file called CNC3.exe in another partition
23:42<toothpick>LtL: yes
23:43<LtL>i honestly don't want gnome3, sad cuz i've used gnome for years
23:43<toothpick>i felt the same way
23:43<toothpick>until i started using it
23:43<toothpick>i find it helps me stay focused
23:44<toothpick>after reading official documentation. I started to see the design philosophy and it works better for me.
23:44<LtL>when i move from oldstable i'll likely go with xfce4
23:44<toothpick>in anycase. I'm still stuck and am unable to create a shortcut to my program
23:44<toothpick>xfce4 is also good but gnome3 i find is very polished
23:45<toothpick>i will admit there is some learning curve with gnome 3 but it is not steep at all
23:46<adga>xfce4 is a gui very fast....!
23:48<vortek>im gona run e17
23:48<LtL>toothpick: why dont you just run it from a shell and background it. no messing with a file manager
23:48<toothpick>LtL: I am not sure how to do that
23:49<toothpick>LtL: I thought it would be convenient to have a shortcut that i can just double click on
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23:49<toothpick>LtL: at present, it works perfectly under wine but I have to navigate to original folder everytime I want to double click on it
23:49<vortek>rebooting to from debian stable to debian unstable brb
23:49<toothpick>vortek: :)
23:49<LtL>toothpick: just move to the dir, type ./file.exe & <enter>
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23:50<toothpick>LtL: but I have to launch terminal, type that command everytime I want to launch file.exe
23:50<LtL>toothpick: you could make a quick script easy enough
23:50<toothpick>LtL: true
23:50<LtL>toothpick: yes you would
23:50<toothpick>LtL: I was just hoping a simple symbolic link would do
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23:51<LtL>toothpick: well, i've never used wine so, maybe others have ideas i'm sure.
23:52<toothpick>LtL: I appreciate your honestly but I think i am very close. You gave me an idea
23:52<LtL>i assume you're using wine so it'd be 'wine file.exe &' i think, right
23:53<toothpick>that's right
23:53<LtL>toothpick: google may help you
23:53<toothpick>LtL: negatory :) too much garbage on google
23:54<toothpick>LtL: please standby for a few second please. I am just trying something - You gave me an idea
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23:54<toothpick>LtL: can you please take a look at this command
23:54<LtL>i havent heard the word negatory since i was driving a peterbilt heh
23:55<toothpick>heh. LtL can you please have a look at this command
23:55<toothpick>ln -s file.exe /home/user/desktop
23:55<toothpick>after issuing this command
23:55<toothpick>i see file.exe in location /home/user/desktop
23:56<toothpick>but it says link broken on that soft link
23:56<toothpick>LtL, any ideas?
23:56<LtL>toothpick: thats a symlink, i would think it'd work
23:56<toothpick>LtL: Oh i think I did something wrong. Link target is incorrect
23:56<LtL>symlink-soflink = same thing
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23:57<toothpick>oh okay, thanks for clarfication LtL
23:57<toothpick>is that command's parameters correct?
23:57<toothpick>if i want to place file.exe's shortcut on /home/user/desktop
23:58<toothpick>the command i would issue is this right? : ln -s ./file.exe /home/user/desktop
23:58<toothpick>I think i got the parameters backwards :)
23:58<LtL>toothpick: no that wouldnt work i doubt
23:58<LtL>its easy to get backwards :)
23:59<LtL>ln -s file.exe /home/user/Desktop .. but you need the wine directive in there
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