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00:00<toothpick>yes you are right
00:00<toothpick>Okay, so I will take the other approach you suggested, a tiny simple script
00:00-!-mikejones [~Mike@0001b38f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
00:01<LtL>toothpick: so make a script one-liner #!/bin/bash - second line, wine file.exe - save, chmod 755 file.exe then make a symlink.
00:02<LtL>toothpick: the bang line at the top, second line is the cmd
00:02<toothpick>LtL: thank you I am going to use that as template
00:02<toothpick>do I need the bang line at the top?
00:02<LtL>make executable, then symlink it... might work
00:02<LtL>toothpick: absolutely
00:03<LtL>you should use the full path the file too
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00:03<toothpick>LtL: what should me the file extension for this script (sorry this is my first own script).
00:04<LtL>toothpick: none needed but .sh might be a good idea
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00:05<toothpick>LtL: o shit that just worked!
00:05<toothpick>sorry for profanity Ltl. I got little overexcited
00:05<toothpick>I created a file without extension
00:06<toothpick>and used your template and just changed the file path to full path of the exe
00:06<LtL>toothpick: linux doesn't need extensions like [cough] windows
00:06<toothpick>chmod 755 and it worked like a charm!
00:06<toothpick>i'm saying this all out incase someone else might want the solution here :) (trying to follow debian chat rules lol)
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00:07<toothpick>LtL: this is my first linux installed, I chose debian after looking around at different distros. I personally dont have a need for windows anymore
00:07<LtL>toothpick: the #debian channels have super helpers, i just hang out
00:07<toothpick>LtL: I spoke with a developer of wine and he helped me set it up. good bye windows
00:07<vortek>i got unstable and e17 working
00:08<LtL>vortek: damn good!
00:08<toothpick>vortek, nice..
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00:08<vortek>:)
00:08<toothpick>thank you LtL for the help !!
00:08<LtL>toothpick: my pleasure
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00:10<toothpick>LtL: it all works now. Just for clarification, what is the #!/bin/bash for?
00:11<LtL>toothpick: it tells the script what interpreter to use
00:11<LtL>in this case bash
00:12<toothpick>oh okay. makes sense.
00:12<vortek>how do i get diferant e17 themes?
00:12<LtL>all scripts need a bang line, or shebang as some say.
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00:12<LtL>vortek: no idea, apt-cache search e17 theme
00:13<LtL>toothpick: this is a 'bang' ! <-
00:13<LtL>exclamation point
00:13<toothpick>i see. It kind of reminds me of // comment line in C++
00:14<vortek>no lucck
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00:14<LtL>arent those */ or \* er something, i havent written C in awhile
00:15<toothpick>yes those are for block comments
00:15<toothpick>and // is for single line comment :)
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00:15<LtL>ah, i see..thanks toothpick
00:15<toothpick>you're very welcome LtL
00:16<vortek>what you guys recomend for a good c book?
00:16<toothpick>I mostly remember that stuff because our professor made us implement Binary tree to understand Unix file system
00:17<toothpick>and he wanted us to do it in C
00:17<toothpick>vortek, do you have experience programming in another language already? If so can I make a suggestion?
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00:18<vortek>no i dont
00:18-!-oem [~oem@2605:a601:422:3a01:226:2dff:fe7e:334e] has joined #debian
00:18<vortek>but i can learn quickly
00:19<oem>sup
00:19<LtL>vortek: anything published by O'reilly, or The Waite Group are god books, pricey though
00:19<vortek>k
00:19<LtL>i'm sure there are others
00:19<LtL>*good rather
00:19<vortek>i got the 2nd edition of the book by the wroter of c
00:19<vortek>writer
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00:20<SamB>K&R, you mean?
00:20<toothpick>I second the opinion on O'reilly
00:21<toothpick>generally they are well written. You may check them at local library, they can often get them for you
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00:22<vortek>k thanxs man
00:22<toothpick>however it was best put by my professor, learn the mechanics of programming first. conditional statements, control structures etc
00:22<toothpick>and you can then master any language once you understand the technique
00:22<oem>what is most secure distro or os? true we should no longer use a hd?
00:23<toothpick>the most secure distro is the one that is used by someone with common sense knowledge of security
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00:23<oem>yes but what would be chosen?
00:23<oem>or a ibm with no modem
00:24<toothpick>modem or no modem makes no difference when it comes to data integrity. As I said, most security issues come in the shape of social attack
00:24<toothpick>for instance, a window popup asking you to input credit card information
00:24<toothpick>and user's mistakes
00:24<oem>java also yes?>
00:24<LtL>oem: debian is pretty hard to beat for security, the weak link is the admin
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00:24<oem>shitty code
00:25<toothpick>other than that, the protocols implemented in any linux kernel is robust that I wouldn't worry about it
00:25<toothpick>I second Ltl's opinion once again
00:25<oem>why is my win 8 and linux mint all one big server now?
00:25<toothpick>debian is rock solid and weak link is always the admin when it comes to linux
00:25<LtL>10-4
00:26<toothpick>LtL: I feel he is trolling? or is it just me?
00:26<oem>i have like 100s of users using network all i want is to meet talk and lean and build with them
00:26<LtL>toothpick: dunno
00:26<toothpick>oem, debian is a good choice of solid linux distro
00:26<oem>i am just handson I learn but much is over my head
00:27<toothpick>with patience, you can. and you only need to understand the basics premise behind security
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00:27<oem>linux mint? i hate ubuntu
00:27<toothpick>once you have that, then you can make your own rationale decisions
00:27<LtL>we generally don't appreciate polling the channel, but...
00:27<oem>maybe ubuntu studio or dream
00:28<oem>how do i make contact with them
00:28<LtL>oem: with whom?
00:28<toothpick>not sure if I understand what your concern is oem
00:28<oem>little time and a world to take
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00:29<oem>i am not sys admin and 100 other usrs share my network i dont know them but want to
00:30<toothpick>oem, what do you want to do with the network? if you could please elaborate
00:30<oem>we all can share i want to learn
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00:30<toothpick>there are many good helpers on this irc channel who will do their best to help you
00:30<LtL>oem: so fire up a irc server on your network and restrict it to your net.
00:30<toothpick>but you need to be precise
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00:31<toothpick>that's a good advice by LtL
00:31<LtL>toothpick: #debian on irc.freenode.net is excellent also, but you know that probably.
00:31<oem>build a networked server sys with vm arch and server hops using google fiber to become the shit
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00:32<LtL>albeit a quiet night.. we are off topic gentlemen/ladies :)
00:32<oem>i have fiber but its being used by silent bob stealing resources for porn and pnp
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00:33<toothpick>LtL: Thanks for info. I will add that to favourites
00:33<LtL>heh
00:33<toothpick>LtL: I told you he was troll
00:34<LtL>toothpick: hence the off topic comment.
00:34<toothpick>oem, we don't appreciate offtopic subjects too much here. But you may try #debian-offtopic for your inquiries
00:34<LtL>and troll is to be determined.
00:34<oem>trolling for trolls in my book means lookin for bjs from fuglies what is trolling
00:34<oem>sorry
00:34<oem>ok
00:34<LtL>np
00:35<toothpick>LtL: seemed like someone had a little too much pop
00:36<oem>what can i do to fix usr and privacy prob AND network make friends and build somethin cool with lets say deb serv
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00:37<LtL>oem: don't quite understand the question, but permissions maybe?
00:37<oem>how can i build deb networked serv
00:38<toothpick>LtL: I am sorry but I strongly believe he doesn't have any question to ask. Anyone can put random keywords and make it look like a question.
00:38<LtL>oem: you want #networking on irc.freenode.net possibly.
00:38<oem>i can not overtake it freezes crashes iwill share but i want to learn build
00:38<oem>no
00:38<oem>here
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00:38<toothpick>oem, LtL's suggestion is genuine
00:39<oem>what is freenode
00:39<toothpick>and #networking is a good channel for your specific question
00:39<LtL>oem: another irc network
00:39<oem>are we not here #debian
00:39<toothpick>oem, yes you are in official #debian irc
00:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 588] by debhelper
00:40<oem>i banned too many questions and exposing truth of universe
00:40<LtL>oem: this is the official #debian, freenode's #debian has about 1300 users at the moment
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00:40<oem>ok one last ?
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00:41<oem>how do I start simple but practical server using this fiber
00:41<oem>with deb
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00:41<LtL>oem: existentialism is off topic sir
00:42<SamB>so do we use !ops yet
00:42<toothpick>what type of server . Samba? Apache?
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00:42<toothpick>apt-cache search apache
00:43<epolo>hello
00:43<toothpick>hello
00:43<oem>not when you realize all this realty is a computer code while we are on computers.. we see all in reverse
00:43<oem>like sims
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00:44<oem>really.. neutrons elecs float collide freely so code keeps your table solid hellloo
00:45<LtL>oem: you have fiber, sell shell accounts. </ot>
00:45<SamB>!ops oem is yammerring aimlessly
00:45<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: samb complains about: oem is yammerring aimlessly
00:45<oem>so.. I have universe down how do i build my servers to touch world
00:45<LtL>oem: oh please, spare us. not for this support channel thank you.
00:46<oem>ok
00:46<oem>where do i start
00:47<oem>??
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00:47<LtL>oem: doing what, deploying servers or discussing physics
00:48<oem>serv
00:48<oem>using google fiber and getting my speeds/sec back
00:49<peterS>why are you in #debian?
00:49*SamB still can't quite decide if oem is passing the revised turing test or not ...
00:49<oem>i care less who is wasting resc i just want communication
00:50<peterS>oem: why are you in #debian? What aspect of your problem or question relates to Debian?
00:50<LtL>oem: #networking on freenode. end of discussion. have a nice day.
00:50<oem>samba usrs can use i cant
00:50<oem>i love deb arch
00:50<LtL>!beer SamB
00:50*dpkg pours a quart of Stone Arrogant Bastard for SamB
00:50<oem>i learned linux from deb
00:51<oem>awesome repos
00:51<peterS>"love deb arch" is not an answer. I love Duke Ellington but I don't ask my gardening questions in a Duke Ellington forum
00:52<oem>so i need to take over world nicely w/ knowledge how do i use or set up deb serv to reach goal
00:53<peterS>insofar as I can discern that you even _have_ any specific questions, they don't seem to be on topic here
00:53<SamB>peterS doesn't flirt with failing the turing test, either
00:54<peterS>right now the burden is on _you_ to ask specific questions that relate to Debian. I mean, if you have any. Don't make us keep guessing.
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00:54<oem>1) resources used up i want to CONNECT to communicte w/ usrs using deb svrs
00:54<oem>2) how?
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00:55<peterS>I'm completely unable to parse question 1. And question 2 has no context unless it is really part of question 1.
00:55<SamB>I had decided to go with "not human" until I saw something coherent, but I haven't seen trollbots that could do enumerated lists before ...
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00:56<oem>3) how use deb serv learn and maintain i have 45k ibm credit line and need expert help but consults charge 250 to 400 an hr
00:56<peterS>sigh. and you can't even spell "Debian". how did you even get here? I mean, it's not like #deb redirects to #debian.
00:56<oem>not geek squad.. ha!
00:57<kevix>if you are using debian in a business setting and you are being paid, and need help pay for it?
00:57<SamB>may I suggest a remedial english class?
00:57<oem>How do I learn deb servers and set them up?
00:58<kevix>what servers do you use? fedora? Red hat? Susue?
00:58<oem>keypad on my old baby 15 linuxes and 20 win later
00:58<oem>its all that has taught me
01:00-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@2605:a601:422:3a01:*] by ChanServ
01:00<peterS>sigh
01:00<peterS>ok people, back to work (:
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01:02<kevix>if you have deb servers, where are the ian servers?
01:02<peterS>yeah, the +q was for many reasons, but not least because even after my gentle hints he still couldn't figure out the full name of our distribution
01:02<kevix>hehe
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01:03<kevix>we do have various language mailing lists, if he needed that.
01:04<toothpick>don't waste your time with oem
01:04<toothpick>he was a troll
01:05<peterS>speaking of abbreviations that I don't care for, does anyone else in the world abbreviate a TB as a "terr" in conversation?
01:06<peterS>one of my cow-orkers does that and it drives me nuts, for no rational reason I can think of
01:06<SamB>I don't think it's come up enough in any conversation I've been a part of to get abbreviated at all
01:06<Khades>2hello
01:07<peterS>it's like "this customer needs 500 gigs and this other customer needs two tare"
01:08<Khades>is dere sum lxc masters?
01:08<Khades>looking all the timee
01:08<Khades>"libvirt apparmor lxc sandboxin"
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01:08<Khades>or lxc selinux sandboxing
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01:09<Khades>what do we achieve with applying mdac to lxc?
01:09<peterS>huh, people do that? use lxc and selinux together?
01:09<Khades>fedora guys do use
01:09<Khades>debian guys just added apparmor
01:09<Khades>in jessie
01:10<Khades>if it would make uid and gid separate it would be good
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01:11<Khades>also
01:11<Khades>i wonder
01:11<Khades>there's written
01:12<kevix>debian uses apparmor and not selinux?
01:13<Khades>it is easier to setup apparmor on debian
01:13<Khades>http://packages.debian.org/sid/lxc
01:13<Khades>you see it depends on apparmor
01:13<Khades>i think that was taken from ubuntu lxc
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01:16<Khades>i see messages that user namespace COULD be made right in linux 3.10
01:17<Khades>i need
01:17<Khades>to investigate :3
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01:17<peterS>sounds more like a Linux kernel question than a Debian question, then
01:18<Khades>apparmor lxc question is debian related
01:18<Khades>there's reason lxc uses apparmor now
01:18<Khades>in 0.9
01:18<Khades>while ubuntu lxc uses apparmor since 0.7
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01:26<Khades>wow
01:27<Khades>i see kinda problem to explore
01:27<Khades>http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/full-ubuntu-container-confined-in-a-user-namespace/
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01:27<Khades>now looking at my kernel (3.10-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64)
01:27<Khades>user namespace is not defined
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01:27<Khades>ah
01:28<Khades>experimental stuff
01:28<Khades>lxc is almost reliable :D
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01:29<Khades>since there's user namespace i see no point of apparmor
01:30<Khades>paradox
01:31<Khades>also i am curios, would be linux 3.10 lts supported in debian, or would they jump to next release asap?
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01:36<peterS>Debian stable has Linux 3.2.46. The next Debian release is probably too far away to predict exactly which Linux kernel it will be based on.
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04:05<smeb>I've got a few bind mounts in my fstab; I have /home mounted on /dev/md2 and want /somefolder to be a mount of /home/someuser/somefolder - this works brilliantly, but unfortunately everymorning cron whines about "Some local file systems lack a lost+found directory" on these bind mounts- is there a way to get around this?
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04:05<smeb>this is a sample line in my fstab: /home/someuser/somefolder /somefolder none bind 0 0
04:06<peter1138>cron, or a job that cron runs?
04:06<smeb>/etc/cron.daily/standard
04:07<peter1138>Where does that come from?
04:08<smeb>default install - i've not changed it at all
04:09<peter1138>Run dpkg -S /etc/cron.daily/standard to find the package.
04:09<smeb>apparently from cron
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04:10<peter1138>Oh, I see, it's on Squeeze, not Wheezy.
04:10<smeb>I think the script believes "it's a filesystem. it should have a lost+found" but obviously, it's just a folder mounted from an already mounted filesystem (and already with a lost+found)
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04:12<smeb>hmm my cron is 3.0pl1-120, apparently it's fixed in 123
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04:19<smeb>I think I can "fix" it (loosely...) by putting CHECK_LOSTFOUND=no in /etc/default/cron . Thanks for the help anyway :)
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04:48<foobar_>hi
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05:32<peter1138>Hmm, is there any free antivirus software that isn't clamav?
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05:38<koxbox>AVG i think
05:40<musca>avast
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05:40<guess>haloooo
05:41<musca>hi guess
05:41<guess>any girl here?
05:41<guess>lol
05:41<koxbox>for what you need a girl?
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05:42<musca>good point, koxbox :)
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05:42<koxbox>looks realy bad for you guess, if youre searching for girls here!!
05:43<guess>just kidding bro
05:43<guess>lol
05:43<guess>anyone use kali?
05:43<koxbox>ok bro!!
05:43<koxbox>yes
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05:44<koxbox>freenode - #kali-linux
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05:49<atlaz>I don't suppose anyone is particularly familiar with opendkim/postfix?
05:49<SynrG>atlaz: in general it is best to just ask your question
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05:50<atlaz>so basicallyin my mail log when sending email, I get this: opendkim[5417]: 97EF9A4BE: dkim_eom(): resource unavailable: d2i_PrivateKey_bio() failed
05:51<atlaz>I've got my brain tied up in knots about what on earth goes in each config/key file... I had it sending unsigned email fine, but I've broken it trying to fix it :P
05:51<atlaz>if that makes sense
05:51<atlaz>the tutorial I used had a subdomain for their example (i.e. myemail@subdomain.domain.com)
05:53<ixi>atlaz seen this yet? http://lists.opendkim.org/archive/opendkim/users/2010/06/0313.html
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05:55<atlaz>yep
05:56<atlaz>I'll redo the files again and see if that helps but I've done it a few times now and keep moving backwards :P
05:57<SynrG>and possibly also: http://lists.opendkim.org/archive/opendkim/users/2010/06/0304.html ?
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05:58<SynrG>but i would guess you can probably google just as easily as we can :)
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05:58<SynrG>atlaz: seems the best resource is to ask upstream if you are truly stuck.
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06:00<atlaz>that's a yes on both sadly
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06:02<SynrG>atlaz: there does seem to also be #opendkim @ irc.freenode.net ...
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06:02<SynrG>atlaz: don't know how active they are
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06:05<vyrly>Hi, I want to do deterministic build of package in debian 7, I am using faketime to solve timestams problem
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06:05<vyrly>But I still have problem if build paths are different
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06:08<SynrG>vyrly: 1. probably #debian-mentors not here 2. your problem description is too vague; give them details (what, *exactly*, you're trying to accomplish, lines of code, output)
06:09<SynrG>vyrly: using paste.debian.net for details
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06:17<vyrly>SynrG: I just need the way to somehow build package in the same path on different hosts. Is there any system tool that can mimic path maybe?
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06:29<SynrG>vyrly: you still have not articulated what your exact problem is. i build packages on different hosts with no problem. it should not matter where. either the package isn't packaged properly or you're doing some wrong steps in trying to build it.
06:29<SynrG>vyrly: but nobody can help unless you say exactly what you're trying to do, and so far you haven't said.
06:29<SynrG>vyrly: also, #debian-mentors can help with packaging problems. this is not the appropriate place.
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06:31<jalalsfs>How to install "Mate Desktop" on jessie, from debian repositories?
06:31<SynrG>vyrly: so again, take it to #debian-mentors, but give them an exact description of your problem: what are you doing? (which package? from where? on what build system? what steps did you follow to build? what were you expecting? what happened instead?) provide *exact output* at paste.debian.net for them.
06:31<SynrG>vyrly: with such a vague problem description there is no chance anyone can help you.
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06:32<SynrG>jalalsfs: no
06:33<jalalsfs>SynrG, Is it not available on debian repositories?
06:33<SynrG>apparently only a fraction of it
06:34<babilen>dpkg: tell jalalsfs about mate
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06:34<SynrG>babilen: however, i'm surprised to see today in sid that apt-cache search --names-only mate turns up a handful of packages
06:34<babilen>jalalsfs: cinnamon, however, has been packaged. My honest advice if you *really* want mate would be to use a distribution that supports it.
06:35<SynrG>i was not aware they had made such progress
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06:36<jalalsfs>SynrG, Okay, thanks.
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06:36<babilen>SynrG: Yeah, some people are trying to make it happen and mate if in NEW. ftp-masters are, however, reluctant to ACCEPT it without further discussion about the quality of its codebase. I don't believe that any of the issues raised the last time mate was discussed have been mitigated and I would personally be against accepting it into Debian.
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06:36<jalalsfs>babilen, Thank you, but the cinnamon will be available for jessie?
06:37<bremner>read again slowly ;)
06:37<babilen>SynrG: That is if it is still simply a mere copy of the (deprecated and unmaintained by upstream) codebase with s/gnome/mate/ -- They used a number of technologies (e.g. bonobo) that were deprecated by upstream for quite a long time and i really don't trust them to take over development of such a huge legacy codebase.
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06:37<SynrG>babilen: however: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mate-team/Week-of-Mon-20130812/000013.html
06:38*babilen reads
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06:38<SynrG>looks like a bit of a speedbump in development of MATE :/
06:38<SynrG>(wrt debian)
06:39<SynrG>the august archive for the list contains *zero* non-spam ...
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06:39<SynrG>hard to gauge if they're making any kind of real progress.
06:39<SynrG>oops
06:39<SynrG>i mean the august archive for *this week*
06:40<SynrG>and see also:
06:40<SynrG>http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mate-team/Week-of-Mon-20130812/000016.html
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06:41<SynrG>jalalsfs: so, absolutely do not install any of the mate packages currently in unstable. in case you were inclined to do so ...
06:41<SynrG>it's a big mess, ftpmasters still haven't finished the cleanup, apparently.
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06:42<SynrG>and in any case, as i said, looks like there's only a fraction of mate currently in the archive.
06:42<babilen>Hmm, can't find the mate-desktop package anymore that was lingering in NEW and I would have wrist-locked (Aikido style) Mike *a lot* more at Debconf if I had known that he's behind MATE ;)
06:42<babilen>judd: v cinnamon
06:42<judd>Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.1+b1
06:43<babilen>jalalsfs: ^^ if you are running jessie you can setup a tum system (testing unstable mix, cf. <tum>) and pull it from there) -- btw, you want #debian-next for testing/unstable specific support
06:44<jalalsfs>I am running Jessie
06:44<jalalsfs>SynrG, Thank you so much for all of you babilen
06:44<SynrG>jalalsfs: yes, but my point is 'mate-desktop' is not in the archive. neither in jessie nor sid ...
06:45<SynrG>jalalsfs: and in case you thought of trying for something newer. don't. :)
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06:45<SynrG>also, cinnamon++
06:45<SynrG>looks like a much saner approach to gnome2-like desktop experience
06:45<SynrG>or else xfce4
06:46<jalalsfs>SynrG, Is it safe if I add LinuxMint repository to install Mate?
06:46<SynrG>absolutely not
06:46<jalalsfs>Oh, okay
06:46<SynrG>distro mixing is a bad, bad, bad idea.
06:47<SynrG>if you want to run mint, run mint. and get support from mint.
06:47<jalalsfs>No, I don't like mint.
06:47<kardan>is there a way to paste to paste.debian.net via cli?
06:47<SynrG>!nopaste
06:47<bremner>libapp-nopaste-perl is one
06:47<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
06:47<babilen>jalalsfs: I quite intentionally recommended running a distribution that supports MATE *iff* you want to run that, Debian does not and is therefore the wrong distribution. Mixing distributions will break your system and is absolutely not okay and I would also not recommend using the mate repositories.
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06:48<kardan>cool. that was fast :)
06:48<babilen>jalalsfs: All that being said: There are sound technical reasons to *not* use MATE (which are the same reasons that prevent its packaging in Debian) at this point in time and I would also recommend using a different desktop environment. Use XFCE4 or cinnamon which are both much saner and better maintained (from what I can tell) than MATE.
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06:52<jalalsfs>babilen, Okay, but I think cinnamon not available till now on debian repositories,
06:53<babilen>Well, it is.
06:53<SynrG>jalalsfs: it is, just not in jessie
06:53<babilen>jalalsfs: http://packages.debian.org/sid/cinnamon (if you don't believe me)
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06:54<SynrG>jalalsfs: and mate is even *further* behind ... but cinnamon has been in sid for a very long time
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06:54<SynrG>http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cinnamon.html
06:54<SynrG>babilen: removed from testing not once, but twice :p
06:54<babilen>jalalsfs: I explained above that you can setup a testing/unstable mix and pull the package from unstable if you want it. You can find additional information about that setup in the <tum> factoid (/msg dpkg tum) and I would recommend to take questions about this approach to #debian-next
06:55<babilen>SynrG: oh, wow ~;)
06:55<SynrG>transitions seem to be the issue
06:55<SynrG>http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cinnamon/news/20130812T163912Z.html
06:58<SynrG>at least the earlier removal
06:58<jalalsfs>SynrG, babilen Thank you so so much for all these information.
06:58<SynrG>seems like #720466 blocks it now
07:00<SynrG>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720466#20
07:00<SynrG>^^ particularly relevant
07:01<SynrG>looks like you can install cinnamon with jessie + sid + snapshots of cogl / cinnamon cited in that comment
07:01<SynrG>a tiny bit messy :)
07:03<SynrG>jalalsfs: if cinnamon intrigues you, you might want to wait a week or so ...
07:03<SynrG>but yes, #debian-next is the place for this if you want to pursue it further
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07:04<jalalsfs>SynrG, Do you mean Cinnamon will be available for Jessie after a week?
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07:05<SynrG>jalalsfs: no. i mean currently it is both removed in testing *and* broken in unstable (fixable by using snapshots)
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07:05<SynrG>jalalsfs: "a week" is only a rough guess as to when to check back. no guarantees it will be fixed in that timeframe
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07:06<SynrG>it will take time for migrations to finish and all this to get sorted out. it takes however long it takes.
07:07<SynrG>if you don't mind using snapshots and can deal with getting exact versions recommended in the bug in that comment, go for it.
07:07<SynrG>but it is a bit of a rough ride for now until things settle down
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07:14<ixi>!today
07:14<dpkg>Known issues with daily developmental builds of the Debian Installer are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today . Also ask me about <transition> and check the /topic of #debian-next on irc.oftc.net.
07:14<ixi>I wish this was updated daily ^
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07:15<SynrG>join the team. be a part of the solution
07:15<SynrG>2011/04/05: this page is loosely maintained due to lack of people in the D-I team.
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07:16<SynrG>ixi: and also "We only list issues here that affect many users. If you feel an issue should be added, please ask on #debian-boot on irc.debian.org or send an e-mail to debian-boot@lists.debian.org."
07:16<ixi>I meant the !today irc thing not the page thing
07:16<ixi>:)
07:16<SynrG>oh
07:17<SynrG>so you want the factoid to parse a not-well-maintained page for the issues of the day (currently "None", which is a bit hard to believe) and dynamically be updated?
07:17<SynrG>hardly seems worth it ...
07:17<ixi>no
07:18<SynrG>then what?
07:18<ixi>--> d-ot
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08:10<Ano_Nym_1111>hi! i use a Sheeavaplug as headless debian server running testing. i have several usb harddisks which i share using samba. they were mounted via halevt by their labels in /media. since hal has been deprecated, i tried to switch to udev/udisk today. read that i need udisks-glue to automount, it works but its not a daemon. is there another package someone can recommend instead?
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08:12<abrotman>!automount
08:12<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
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08:14<Ano_Nym_1111>no desktop, no command line.. i need something a service thats starts on boot and mounts every usb device when its attached.. i used halevt, but since halevt is deprecated i tried to switch..
08:15<HRH_H_Crab>Ano_Nym_1111: use fstab and mount using uuid?
08:15<HRH_H_Crab>oh sorry
08:15<HRH_H_Crab>not reading
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08:15<HRH_H_Crab>you want it to mount when attached
08:16<Ano_Nym_1111>HRH_H_Crab: then it gets mounted on boot but not when reattached
08:16<Ano_Nym_1111>yes :)
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08:17<Ano_Nym_1111>halevt worked, but hal is deprecated, udisk-glue works, but it is not started on boot/is not a service..
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08:20<james41382>Ano_Nym_1111: You could write an init.d script to daemonize udisk-glue maybe..
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08:21<Ano_Nym_1111>james41382: ok, thats what i hoped to avoid, but seems i have to do it!
08:21<blast007>Ano_Nym_1111: ask the dpkg bot here about 'usb mount'
08:21<blast007>as in, /msg dpkg usb mount
08:21<james41382>I used checked out usb mount/pmount a while back and it works..
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08:26<Ano_Nym_1111>ok, will try usbmount first
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08:30<atlaz>I'm getting an error with dovecot
08:30<atlaz>Aug 30 12:12:01 (none) dovecot: imap(m@domain.com): Error: user m@domain.com: Initialization failed: Namespace '': stat(/decrypted-mail/domain.com/m) failed: Permission denied (euid=8(mail) egid=8(mail) stat() failed: No such file or directory)
08:31<atlaz>any idea what may be causing it
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08:32<abrotman>no such file or directory
08:33<atlaz>well yes
08:33<atlaz>but I didn't have to create the directory manually last time
08:34<atlaz>it sorted its own shit out
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08:35<atlaz>Not sure what permissions dovecot needs to create the directories as it goes
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08:49<Ano_Nym_1111>does anybody know how to tell usbmount to use the label as mountpoint (under /media) instead of usbX? searched and haven't find anything..
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08:51<hasan>السﻻم عليكم
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08:52<hasan>؟؟
08:52<hasan>hello
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08:53<Stummi>hello
08:54<gold_b>hello
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08:54<Stummi>!ar
08:54<dpkg>from memory, ar is a program packaged in binutils to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
08:54<Stummi>wait
08:54<Stummi>nvm
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08:55<babilen>Stummi: AFAIK we don't have an (active) Arabic channel (nor Farsi or ..)
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08:56<babilen>dpkg: arabic
08:56<dpkg>مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar
08:56<lol2kkkk>dpkg: english
08:56<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope).
08:56<lol2kkkk>dpkg: spanish
08:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:57<lol2kkkk>wow :DD
08:57<babilen>lol2kkkk: You can "/msg dpkg FOO" if you want to see other factoids. Please don't do that.
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09:02<yawaradi>hello
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09:03<yawaradi>hello
09:03<abrotman>yes, we see you
09:03<yawaradi>hello
09:03<abrotman>Do you need help with Debian?
09:03<yawaradi>hello
09:04<abrotman>hello
09:04<yawaradi>hello
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09:04<juksen>oh dear
09:04-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
09:04<abrotman>yawaradi: this channel is for Debian support, good luck
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09:05<juksen>Hi... i'm having a little problem
09:05<juksen>someone knows why a clean install of jessie with kde keeps throwing me a network error 'Failed to obtain authentication', while its... in fact, working?
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09:06<babilen>juksen: You want #debian-next and please provide more information: 1. How exactly did you install jessie ? 2. When do you get this error? 3. What is working and how is the error message related to it?
09:06<babilen>...
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09:06<juksen>thank you, babilen
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09:33<Ano_Nym_1111>Feedback: Found a udisks-glue start-script http://angryelectron.com/udisks-glue-initscript/ fetched it via git, copied it to the right location, ran "update-rc.d udisks-glue defaults" rebooted(to test it) and everything works perfect! udev+udisk+udisk-glue+udist-glue-startscript :)
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09:41<SynrG>Ano_Nym_1111: i didn't see your earlier problem report, but yes, udisks-glue is nice :)
09:41<SynrG>i use this with lxde for automounting when i plug in usb keys and such
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09:42<SynrG>as i have turned off pcmanfm ...
09:42<SynrG>i don't really ever use a file manager.
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09:49<Ano_Nym_1111>SynrG: the startscript was what i was missing, and now it does exactly what i needed :)
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09:51<SynrG>aha
09:52<SynrG>hmm, don't remember having any issues using it ...
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09:53<SynrG>ah. probably tied it to my desktop autostart :)
09:53<SynrG>not relevant to headless box
09:53<SynrG>and that's probably why it doesn't have an init script, as that's the way it is typically used.
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09:55<SynrG>ayup ... /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart, added udisks-glue --session in place of the disabled pcmanfm
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10:40<bobo>hello, I have problem with iceweasel on debian wheezy, button to adding new tab doesnt work, somebody help me, sorry for english
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10:44<valeriy>!xfce
10:44<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net.
10:45<captnfab>bobo: Hi, have you tried disabling extentions? themes? creating a new Iceweasel profile?
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10:46<bobo>captnfab: thanks, now I try to disabling extensions and it works
10:46<captnfab>so one of your extension is the problem :)
10:46<captnfab>you just have to find which one is responsible!
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10:47<chaos_>May somebody help me?I cannot understand the prompt that "EXT4-fs (dm-0): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro".
10:47<bobo>captnfab: but I dont know which? I have to trying every extensions
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10:49<chaos_>dmesg
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10:53<chaos_>I type "dmesg | grep -i error" in the terminal then it gives me "EXT4-fs (dm-0): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro".
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10:56<blast007>bobo: it could also be two or more extensions that are simply not compatible with each other
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10:56<judson_>some one can help me, i need install some builders...
10:58<njuergens>chaos_, that is nothing to worry about, its a mount option telling the filesystem to switch to read-only in case of error
10:58<njuergens>_not_ an indication that has happend
10:58<chaos_>oh,thank you !
10:59<judson_>guys?
10:59<njuergens>eg in my case it looks like this: /dev/sda5 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
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11:00<judson_>hello
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11:00<judson_>someone can help me?
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11:03<gnugr>judson_:your system has its own builders, what do you mean by saying builders
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11:08<SynrG>!br
11:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:11<judson_>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Whistler [AMD Radeon HD 6600M Series] [1002:6741]
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11:13<SynrG>judson_: ah. i think you mean "driver", not "builder"
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11:14<judson_>hello i need help to install my graphc driver
11:14<SynrG>judson_: on debian wheezy?
11:14<SynrG>judson_: also see #debian-br ... maybe help in your own language would be easier?
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11:15<SynrG>,pciid [1002:6741]
11:15<judd>[1002:6741] is 'Whistler [Radeon HD 6630M/6650M/6750M/7670M/7690M]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6741 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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11:17<SynrG>judson_: that chipset should work fine with the free 'radeon' driver in wheezy, though you may need firmware too
11:17<judson_>thax
11:18<SynrG>!radeon firmware
11:18<dpkg>Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver.
11:18<SynrG>and:
11:18<SynrG>!non-free sources
11:18<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
11:18<SynrG>judson_: that should help. enable non-free in sources.list, then install firmware-linux-nonfree.
11:19<SynrG>judson_: you do not separately need to install a driver. you should already have the driver.
11:19<judson_>ok thanx again
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11:20<SynrG>judson_: good luck. and if you have problems, let us know.
11:20<judson_>ok
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11:20<neo1691>I am facing a weird problem guys! Whenever I restart debian, the time and date is changed. It seems to get itself forward by one day
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11:24<musca>!ntp
11:24<dpkg>The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>.
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11:25<neo1691>I have installed ntp. And it has worked, thanks musca!
11:28<musca>neo1691: but the problem is only pushed to the background i think
11:28<neo1691>musca: Thats what I was thinking, I don't always use internet
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11:32<chaos_>neo1691:I wander if it is the matter of UTC or localtime?
11:32<neo1691>chaos_: Anything to get started?
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11:36<chaos_>neo1691:Maybe vi /etc/default/rcS UTC=no works,maybe
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11:39<neo1691>chaos_: No entry like UTC, should I pastebin my rcS here?
11:41<chaos_>neo1691:You can try to write UTC=no anywhere in rcS and save
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11:42<neo1691>chaos_: Done. Anyway to check if the problem is solved
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11:42<chaos_>Good luck!
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11:44<neo1691>chaos_: :)
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11:46<houms>i just upgraded a laptop to testing from wheezy
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11:46<houms>can anyone tell me how to configure Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)?
11:46<chaos_>neo1691: Don't forget to check /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime
11:46<houms>the wiki only has instructions for wheezy/squeeze https://wiki.debian.org/wl
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11:47<gsimmons>houms: broadcom-sta (aka wl) is broken in testing right now. Use the b43 driver for device support (/msg dpkg b43).
11:48<neo1691>chaos_: /etc/localtime gives an output with IST -5.30, but it should be IST +5.30
11:48<houms>(/msg dpkg b43
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11:49<neo1691>chaos_: /etc/timezone is fine
11:50<roughnecks>dpkg:tell neo1691 about utc
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11:50<houms>thanks gsimmons
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11:50<Pingu>Hello there
11:50<houms>shall i remove bcom-sta first?
11:51<gsimmons>houms: Yes, as it blacklists b43. You would want to purge the broadcom-sta-common package.
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11:53<houms>when I try firmware-b43-lpphy-installer it says it is replaced by apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
11:53<houms>shall i proceed using that package?
11:54<gsimmons>houms: Yes.
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12:03<houms>ok i installed the b43 installer and the module seems to be loaded but still no wireless
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12:09<EmleyMoor>My machine has stopped mounting USB storage when connected... why would that happen?
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12:14<EmleyMoor>It worked before today's kernel upgrade
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12:16<EmleyMoor>It's as though the Gnome volume manager isn't running...
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12:16<babilen>EmleyMoor: That shouldn't happen on wheezy - did we roll out a kernel upgrade today?
12:16<EmleyMoor>babilen: Today or yesterday, and my laptop is unaffected...
12:16<babilen>EmleyMoor: The automounting is handled by nautilus in Gnome and you might want to try clicking on the device in question
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12:17<EmleyMoor>There's nowhere to click on it
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12:17<babilen>In nautilus you mean?
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12:18<babilen>Would you mind showing me the output of "apt-cache policy" along with your /var/log/apt/history.log on http://paste.debian.net ?
12:18<EmleyMoor>In something I'm not at that moment running? Er...
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12:19<babilen>I do not follow, could you elaborate on the "not at that moment running" part?
12:20<EmleyMoor>If I'm not at a given moment running nautilus, I can hardly click on something therein...
12:21<EmleyMoor>Pastebin entries 32400 and 32401
12:21<babilen>EmleyMoor: Well, then why don't you start nautilus?
12:21<EmleyMoor>No sign of the device within nautilus
12:21<babilen>and it's always nice to have the actual URLs of the paste
12:22<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/32400/
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12:24<babilen>What do you get when you run "dmesg|tail -n42" shortly after pluggin in the device?
12:24<EmleyMoor>The expected output...
12:24<babilen>namely?
12:25<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/32402/
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12:25<EmleyMoor>(and it's not limited to a specific device)
12:26<EmleyMoor>Nothing appearing in nautilus for it
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12:27<neo1691>roughnecks: hwclock says my time is Saturday 31 August 2013 03:27:08 AM IST -0.141528 seconds
12:27<neo1691>but actually its friday
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12:27<babilen>EmleyMoor: Could you install gvfs-bin and show me the output of "gvfs-mount --list" please?
12:28<babilen>dpkg: tell neo1691 -about set time
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12:29<EmleyMoor>gvfs-bin already installed. gvfs-mount --list output http://paste.debian.net/32402/
12:31<babilen>hmm, interesting; well, fwiw the dmesg output looks perfectly fine but I don't quite see why gnome doesn't see the volumes anymore. You *did* reboot after the last upgrade didn't you?
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12:31<EmleyMoor>babilen: Yes, of course...
12:32<babilen>You could investigate the effect of downgrading those packages, but lets see what changed first.
12:32<neo1691>babilen: Should I change my UTC value in /etc/default/rcS ? If so what should it be, my timezone is +5:30
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12:33<neo1691>Anyways i ran service hwclock.sh restart and the clock is set properly now
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12:34<babilen>neo1691: Your hwclock should run on UTC (unless you dual boot with windows)
12:34<EmleyMoor>babilen: Hmmm... I restarted dbus and it's back
12:35<neo1691>babilen: and if I happen to dual boot, an yes I remember my windows clock is changed too!!
12:35<neo1691>I see a relation now
12:35<babilen>EmleyMoor: You mean since you restarted dbus nautilus shows the volume?
12:36<EmleyMoor>babilen: Yes - and the fs mounts
12:36<babilen>neo1691: Well, Windows (for some stupid reason) can't handle system time in UTC at all in older versions. In that case you have to configure Debian to set it to local time (have fun travelling!) which is just ugly, but unfortunately a necessity
12:36<babilen>dpkg: tell neo1691 about utc
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12:38<babilen>neo1691: IIRC recent versions of Windows can handle system clocks that run on UTC and I would check if you can configure your Windows to use that rather than using local time if you can.
12:38<babilen>You might want to ask in ##windows on irc.freenode.net about that
12:39<neo1691>babilen: Thanks! All I have to do is set my windows to run on UTC
12:39<babilen>neo1691: I've just asked in ##windows, you might want to join.
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12:41<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... on Win7, you can add a little hack to the registry to use a UTC hardware clock...
12:41<babilen>EmleyMoor: Do not speak these words in this channel!
12:42<EmleyMoor>OK, just imagine that as a very long "BLEEP!"
12:42<EmleyMoor><g>
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13:52<EmleyMoor>I did have one strange thing happen on this machine when I rebooted it... I have a RAID0 which is used as part of a linear array, as my scratch space. For an unknown reason, it failed to reassemble correctly... I had to create it again. Is there anything I need to do, say in mdadm.conf, to make sure it comes back correctly at the next reboot?
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14:13<thatguychuck>su
14:13<thatguychuck>Ha! Have a good one all.
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15:58<blokb>im geting a mesaage http://pastebin.com/H64TyJt6
15:58<blokb>trying to open my hd's from the face of the screen
15:59<blokb>is there way to fix it . id like to open it from the kde face
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16:04<devil_>blokb: the answer is within the error message
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16:05<blokb>any1 els can brake that down . ?
16:06<patrickd>blokb: Are you using KDE?
16:06<blokb>yeh
16:06<blokb>id like to use the kde not t he terminal ferget the terminal
16:07<patrickd>try removing the entry for that drive from your /etc/fstab file and KDE seem to be able to mount it fine, or at least that's what seemed to fix it for me.
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16:08<blokb>ill try this
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16:19<chalz>anyone have experience troubleshooting wild disk issues? I'm stuck - http://paste.debian.net/32508/
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16:20<chalz>basically it seems that the machine lost access to the disk, and I'm trying to figure out why
16:20<chalz>or how to prevent it from occurring again
16:22<chalz>it's been in service for ~2-3 weeks with a new SSD
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17:28<isidoro>exit
17:29<erm>سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ
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17:31<jordemort>^ another jerk spamming the apple unicode-of-death string :P
17:31-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by ChanServ
17:31-!-erm was kicked from #debian by babilen [you should know better]
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17:32<kevix>what irc servers does that attack?
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17:32<jordemort>it attacks anyone using an irc client on a mac that supports unicode
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17:33<kevix>oh damn
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17:33<jordemort>given a specially crafted sequence of arabic characters, any mac os x or ios program that uses the coretext framework for parsing unicode will crash hard
17:33<babilen>→ #debian-offtopic :)
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17:34<kevix>you've think this was an ER tirage room where people had to be sorted and wisked away to another room
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17:40<live>having problems with iptables
17:41<Nyancat>like how?
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17:41<kevix>well at least IRC isn't blocked
17:42<Nyancat>could be from another machine ;-)
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17:55<Agentc_handy>Hi!
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17:56<Agentc_handy>Hi babilen!
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17:58<cogito>When i install WinXP i have a buch of drivers that need to be installed in order for my Asus P5B motherboard to work better. Are there such drivers for linux? Where can i get them? How do i install them?
17:58<kevix>Linux uses 'kernal modules'
17:59<Agentc_handy>Kernel.org
18:00<kevix>the major issue when installing is usb/dvd/cd support for the installation and/or networking.
18:00<Agentc_handy>Www.kernal.org
18:00<kevix>indeed
18:01<kevix>the major issue is for very new mother boards
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18:01<kevix>becasue of possible graphics card, wifi issues
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18:02<babilen_>cogito: Hardware support in its entirety is implemented in the kernel and getting it to work therefore boils down to making sure that you have recent enough kernel installed. Some hardware requires firmware that you have to install independently. You will almost never have to download anything manually and install it. In particular not drivers. If you do that you are almost certainly doing it wrong.
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18:02<cogito>Never had any problems with those. It's the ESata, the onboard soundcard and the raid support that i'm concerned about
18:03<kevix>well sound is not an important part of an install
18:03<cogito>babilen: I did install the Nvidia driver
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18:04<cogito>I used synaptic and the non-free repo
18:05<cogito>kevix: Sound becomes important when you try to watch videos
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18:05<cogito>VLC sounds awful on Linux
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18:07<Argure>hence why totem was made.
18:07<cogito>How do i know witch Kernel i have and witch i should use?
18:07<Argure>$ uname -a
18:08<cogito>Argure: What is totem?
18:08<Argure>it's called "Movie Player" under applications.
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18:09<cogito>Linux Wheezy 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux
18:09<cogito>so either 3.2.0.4 or 3.2.46
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18:10<cogito>Should i upgrade to 3.2.50 or 3.4.60, the 2 longterm versions
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18:17<mc68040>cogito: the packaged kernel is supported as long as wheezy is supported
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18:21<cogito>Is there a kernel that would be best for my PC and how do i find it?
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18:23<mc68040>cogito: well, when hardware supports 64 bit architecture i use amd64 installation - but this is a decision at installation time - you already decided for 32 bit...
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18:26<cogito>mc68040: Would 64 bit make my hardware work better or just take more resources? I won't get a more powerfull CPU or more then the 2GB of ram that i have.
18:26<babilen>cogito: I hope that you followed https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers (and if not you *really* should)
18:26<babilen>cogito: i386 is perfectly fine for that configuration
18:27<cogito>babilen: I read everything i could find and got the 304 that supports my card GEForce 7600 GT
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18:28<babilen>cogito: And you should simply stick with the software versions that are either in the repository already (the 3.2 kernel) or those in wheezy-backports. Please don't break your system by mixing it with random repositories.
18:28<babilen>cogito: The point of those installation instructions are rather to ensure that the driver keeps working during upgrades and is configured in such a way that it doesn't conflict with other parts of the system. How did you install it?
18:28<cogito>babilen: The only non-official repository i have is Deb-multimedia
18:29<babilen>I wouldn't recommend to use that, what do you need it for?
18:29<cogito>babilen: Synaptic
18:29<mc68040>cogito: i agree fully to babilen
18:29<babilen>cogito: You might want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html
18:29<babilen>cogito: No, I mean which package did you install and how did you configure the driver?
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18:30<babilen>judd: v linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae
18:31<judd>Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2.46-1; wheezy-security: 3.2.46-1+deb7u1
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18:34<cogito>Where can i put a screen shot?
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18:38<cogito>http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_300813_-_06_33_35_PM-rNOz6lz7.png
18:40<cogito>babilen: That's the packages and to configure i used NvidiaXserver settings gui
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18:41<babilen>cogito: All you need for configuration is the configuration file listed at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration the /etc/X11/xorg.conf you created now is both unnecessary and may cause other (unrelated) problems. I'd recommend to use what we have on the wiki.
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18:43<babilen>cogito: You can keep those packages though, I prefer the DKMS approach (which automatically compiles the module for the kernel(s) you have installed), but using the pre-compiled ones for that specific kernel is okay too.
18:45<babilen>cogito: But then don't worry about this *now* as it won't cause you immediate problems (no idea about the xorg.conf but I guess that it is reasonable) - I would have to explain more to detail the differences between the approaches and I both want to go offline line and don't overwhelm you with *bla bla technical stuff bla bla" :)
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19:09<chartax>Got a bit of an issue with a PPTP VPN -- anyone got any idea how I can make a configured VPN actually _connect_? It's all setup and ready to go, but can't work out how to actually kick it off!
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19:15<Celelibi>Hi
19:16<Celelibi>HHow do I install something into the installing environment?
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19:17<Celelibi>I would like to install gparted, since partman is breaking my nuts.
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19:30<chartax>Celelibi, are you using the graphical installer?
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19:50<Celelibi>chartax: hopefully not. I can't set the LVM/RAID as I want with that.
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19:51<chartax>Celelibi, i've never had a problem using software raid in the graphical installer :3
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19:52<Celelibi>I want to put RAID onto LVM partitions.
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19:54<chartax>so you can't use a live environment to make the changes you want then install from the debian installer?
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19:58<Celelibi>yes but that mean I should go home.
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19:58<Celelibi>Because I'm doing a remote installation from work. :)
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20:00<Celelibi>Not that I can't make it boot on a grml, but I've not been able to allow ssh connection on the just booted grml.
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20:01<chartax>Ahh :3
20:03<chartax>and you can't use gdisk?
20:04<Celelibi>It is not installed in the installing environment.
20:04<chartax>from ssh, i mean
20:04<chartax>huh.
20:04<Celelibi>fdisk is, but it does not handle gpt partition type.
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20:05<chartax>the installer is busybox, right?
20:05<Celelibi>yes I think si.
20:05<Celelibi>so
20:05<chartax>can you use dpkg?
20:06<Celelibi>nop, but there is udpkg I see.
20:06<Celelibi>I don't know the difference.
20:06<Celelibi>Certainly stands for "micro".
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20:07<chartax>paste me the results of running uname -a would you please?
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20:07<Celelibi>Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:08<chartax>wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gdisk/gdisk_0.8.7-1_amd64.deb
20:08<chartax>^ run that
20:08<chartax>then try
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20:08<chartax>udpkg -i gdisk_0.8.7-1_amd64.deb
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20:10<Celelibi>And what about the dependencies ? :)
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20:10<chartax>haha, what indeed.
20:11<Celelibi>gdisk: error while loading shared libraries: libicuio.so.48: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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20:14<chartax>I don't think there's an easy way of installing gdisk.
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20:14<chartax>you could probably get it, eventually, with your dpkg
20:14<chartax>you'd need to work through the dep's
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20:50<jmcnaught>Celelibi: I think if you're using the installer in expert mode, there's a step where you can load additional installer components, and you can load gdisk there
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20:56<Celelibi>jmcnaught: well, as I used a preseed file, it doesn't do anything when I try to run this menu entry.
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20:58<root_>anybody heree...
20:58<Celelibi>no
20:58<root_>zzz...
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21:08<cogito>I have tried both Xfburn and Brasero that are installed, but i can't burn the iso to a dvd.
21:08<cogito>What can i be doing wrong?
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21:09<cogito>My burner is IDE, can that be a problem?
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22:08<sebox>wieczor, czy ktos moglby pomoc z instalacja debiana 7.1 - mam problem z accraid host adapter abort reguest... kombinuje i nie moge sobie poradzic za bardzo z tym. wdzieczny bede za lekkie nakierowanie mnie. przeszukalem juz google, zrobilem updaty i nic to nie dalo. pozdr.
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22:30<T_X>hm, I'm always getting the following error message when trying to perform a 'fakeroot make-kpkg -j5 --initrd buildpackage' on a clean linux kernel checkout:
22:30<T_X>The changelog says we are creating 3.11.0-rc7+
22:30<T_X>However, I thought the version is 3.11.0-rc7
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22:34<Kichigai>Howdy all. I've recently discovered that even if you build it yourself, installing Linux on a Windows 8 machine is more a pain in the backside than installing Linux on a Mac. Any clue what to do when your UEFI partition is NTFS?
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22:36<Kichigai>Or should I just keep drinking until I hit the Balmer peak and achieve a zen-like moment of epiphany?
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22:38<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, is there any problem with the repos? mine wouldn't update properly, i even tried changing it but still the same issue
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22:38<Kichigai>Have you tried changing it to a mirror's server?
22:40<paranoidphreak>Kichigai: yeah
22:41<Kichigai>Then I'm stumped.
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22:42<paranoidphreak>Kichigai: thanks anyways
22:44<Kichigai>paranoidphreak: You're welcome.
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22:52<Kichigai>Perhaps there's an EFI-themed channel I should join?
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23:09<Xmlt>Hello
23:11<Xmlt>I am having a small problem , recordmydesktop is not recording any sound . I am using ALSA sound drivers . Any help ?
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