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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-02

---Logopened Mon Sep 02 00:00:58 2013
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00:04<kichigai>I'M BAAAAA-AAAACK!
00:05<kichigai>For now, I'm taking SamB's advice and I've submitted a report on my NTFS issue. Now I've moved on to my MacBook.
00:05<kichigai>I'm putting Debian in the partition that Windows previously occupied (before I moved it to the machine that's causing me trouble) and I need to find a way to extract wifi firmware in OS X.
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00:06<sney>kichigai: why not use the installer that includes the firmware already
00:06<kichigai>sney, There is one? I thought that was proprietary data and Debian couldn't distribute it.
00:07<SamB>kichigai: debian chooses not to include it in main
00:07<sney>!firmware image
00:07<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
00:07<kichigai>SOLD
00:07<sney>it is "unofficial" - and will probably be moved to non-free.org when that gets off the ground - but it's a real wheezy installer, otherwise unmodified
00:08<kichigai>Close enough for me.
00:08<kichigai>This ain't my first rodeo.
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00:11<kichigai>But thank you very much sney, you've saved me a lot of trouble tearing my hair out.
00:11<sney>no problem
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00:15<kichigai>Now if only the Torrent was any good...
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00:17<SamB>kichigai: what, it doesn't even have getright-style webseeds?
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00:18<kichigai>SamB, it doesn't have *any* seeds.
00:19<kichigai>I guess I have to sit here for the next 15-25 minutes, drinking wine, while the ISO downloads.
00:19<SamB>I mean it doesn't make your torrent client revert to downloading the file from the HTTP mirrors?
00:19*SamB wonders if it's the fault of the client or the torrent
00:19<kichigai>I don't know if Transmission does that.
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00:20<kichigai>Could be either.
00:21<kichigai>Depends on what your point of view is.
00:21<kichigai>Because if it's based on, perhaps, a private company's client, well, Blizzard has some clever folk.
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00:37<wardhan>hi all. did anybody tried to use opera like speed dial on luakit. i am unable to configure it properly
00:39<wardhan>cutycapt is working properly. i guess there must be some issue within the given code or i might be doing something silly mistake....
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00:42<kichigai>Opera isn't quite a Debian thing, nyeh?
00:43<kichigai>I mean, it runs on Debian, but the Debian contributors don't maintain it.
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00:44<wardhan>i am talking about : https://github.com/mason-larobina/luakit/wiki/Opera-Speed-Dial-like-chrome
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00:45<wardhan>i did file a bug report & asked on luakit channel yesterday & today, but there is no response on irc. probably i have to wait for an answer on created bug.
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00:46<dan__>whois tof
00:48<dan__>?
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01:05<kichigai>sney!
01:06<kichigai>Your unofficial distro hasn't helped
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01:08<SamB>kichigai: maybe your wifi isn't supported yet :-(
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01:08<kichigai>SamB, possibly.
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01:09<kichigai>Now I must discover how to extract the firmware on my own.
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01:09<kichigai>however, sney's unofficial distro doesn't even ask for a firmware
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01:10<SamB>I think it's not supposed to need to ask
01:10<kichigai>Well, it's unofficial, so I figure at that point it's no holds barred
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01:25<kichigai>????
01:25<kichigai>No info?
01:27<gsimmons>kichigai: Is this for your Macbook? Do you know what wireless chipset is used within?
01:29<kichigai>gsimmons, One moment, kindly
01:31<kichigai>gsimmons, Broadcom BCM43xx
01:31<gsimmons>kichigai: You will need to be more specific. The MacBook model number would help.
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01:33<Node-8392>BCM4322 iirc
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01:34<Node-8392>that chipset is mini pci only, BC incremented the chipset number and driver for the usb version of same
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01:35<Node-8392>is why i couldn't get a usb version to use apple's native drivers
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01:35<Node-8392>1 more reason i'm switching
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03:13<jalalsfs>How to I add that photo for the booting of debian?
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03:18<Wezz>ps -ef
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03:40<sadrak|work>I dont understand how /etc/sysctl.conf works ... i added
03:40<sadrak|work>net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established = 7440
03:40<sadrak|work>and used it with sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf ... all fine. But after a reboot the value is again 432000. Where is the place to change that value? I was thinking this sysctl.conf is the correct place.
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03:57<gsimmons>sadrak|work: Sounds like the nf_conntrack_ipv4 module isn't loaded prior to kernel variables being set, check "Setting kernel variables" during boot for any errors from sysctl. You can probably work around this by adding nf_conntrack_ipv4 to /etc/modules.
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03:59<sadrak|work>ah, that sounds as a good solution. i remember that is have done this some year before on a similar problem.
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04:01<sadrak|work>gsimmons++ thanks!
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04:38<kumararasa>sir anyone can help in installing mozila thunderbird in boss linux 4.0
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04:39<ixi>what's boss linux though
04:39<ixi>is that a new name for boss of all linux distributions Debian ?
04:39<kumararasa>it is debian based indian linux
04:40<ixi>!based on debian
04:40<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
04:41<ixi>kumararasa read ^
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04:43<kumararasa>thanks ixi
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04:46<timbermaniac>if it were debian it'd simply be 'apt-get install icedove'
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04:56<devil>well, a debian based distro would be lunatic to switch away from apt
04:57<snogglethorpe>devil: world's full of lunatics, of course...
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04:57<devil>snogglethorpe: true that
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05:18<stevenm_>Hey, what writes 'sources.list' on install? i'm wondering if there is some utility (don't be smart and say text editor) that can update it? e.g. if I wanted to enable contrib/non-free
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05:20<devil>stevenm_: debian itself has no tool to do that afaik, there is a tool called smxi, that can do that and a plethora of other things though. decide for yourself if you want that.
05:23<musca>stevenm_: I have seen a nice GUI named "apper"
05:24<musca>it allows to modify sources by click on checkboxes.
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05:24<stevenm_>I was more hoping there was some built in utility that can with debian (i.e. no tasks installed)
05:24<stevenm_>cli based
05:24<stevenm_>*came with
05:24<stevenm_>it's not the end of the world :)
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05:25<stevenm_>I'll write some elaborate awk line that searches for all non-commented lines containing debian.org and swaps out columns 4-* with main contrib non-free
05:26<bhuddah>there is apt-spy which selects mirrors
05:27<musca>stevenm_: echo -e "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-nonfree-by-steven.list
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05:27<stevenm_>musca, i've already got lines like that
05:27<musca>ewww, that was for unstable
05:28<babilen>bhuddah: In my opinion it is a much better idea to use one of our meta-mirrors like http.debian.net or cdn.debian.org (hell, even one of the many geographical ones that follow ftp.CC.debian.org) than hardcoding a mirror based on a very crude metric.
05:29<stevenm_>mine has always been ftp.uk.debian.org - it's the default choice
05:29<bhuddah>babilen: he is searching for tools that manipulate the sources.list ... i was not suggesting to use it. :)
05:29*babilen uses vim
05:29<bhuddah>and yes.. it would be nice to just have some tick boxes in the installer to enable non-free and/or contrib
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05:29<babilen>You are offered that choice during expert install.
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05:30<bhuddah>oh. great :)
05:30<bhuddah>since when?
05:30<bhuddah>my last install is a while back :)
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05:30<babilen>Don't remember, but since a while.
05:30<bhuddah>ookay. maybe i overlooked it because i'm so used to edit the file.
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06:06<Poenikatu>I am having inordinate problems with scanning with my Epson Perfection 640 which has worked for over 10 years now. The kernel recognises it, lsusb shows it, but xsane, xscanimage and xcam all issue the error message Failed cupsGetDevices. What should I do next?
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06:16<Celelibi>If I want to boot in UEFI mode, do I only need an EFI bootloader, or is the kernel specially built as well?
06:17<babilen>the former
06:18<stevenm_>can I view my installation choices post install?
06:18<stevenm_>inc. what was chosen for me (if I wasn't on expert install)
06:19<babilen>yes
06:20<babilen>Unfortunately I forgot how :-/
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06:20<babilen>But there definitely is a "dump configuration" command that can be used to "script" later installations with preseeding.
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06:28<k-man_>i have a micro pc that has an hdmi output and intel C210 audio controller. any idea how i can get audio to come accross the hdmi cable to the TV?
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06:32<captnfab>k-man_: you probably have 2 soundcards in your mixer (eg. alsamixer)
06:32<k-man_>oh, nm, worked it out
06:32<captnfab>turn the 2nd on
06:32<k-man_>thanks captnfab
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06:35<k-man_>next problem is that this TV has terrible overscan, any idea how i can adjust the display to be within the viewable screen area?
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06:39<captnfab>k-man_: user arandr/xrandr ?
06:39<captnfab>what's "overscan" ?
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06:43<k-man_>when the tv zooms in a bit on the overall image the computer is displaying
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06:44<k-man_>so you end up with a strip around the screen thats just off the viewable area, its very annoying. some tvs have an option to turn it off, unfortunately this one doesnt
06:47<stevenm_>Is there a reason why /root doesn't (by default) come with what is in /etc/skel like a new user would?
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06:48<bhuddah>stevenm_: root is not a normal user. and i think because root exists before /etc/skel.
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06:48<stevenm_>bhuddah, there is some handy defaults in /etc/skel though - like clearing the screen on logout for privacy - like colourised output on ls
06:49<bhuddah>stevenm_: yeah. well. you can copy it :)
06:49<captnfab>k-man_: I have this behavior on a video-projector, I watch my movies in 16:9 :)
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06:50<k-man_>captnfab, so whats the solution? i just realised that X was not in the native resolution of the TV
06:51<captnfab>in 16:9, the missing strips are the black ones, so they are not missing :)
06:51<captnfab>maybe you can add the correct mode to RandR
06:51<captnfab>with xrandr
06:51<captnfab>I don't know
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07:04<k-man_>yeah, working on that now and that seems to improve the overscan a lot
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07:05<k-man_>ok, so i've worked out the xrandr codes to get the new mode and switch to it, but how do i make it permanent?
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07:13<k-man_>nm, worked it out - stuck it into the gdm3 Default file
07:13<k-man_>which is a bit of a hack i must admit
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08:25<deepy>I have a Xen VPS that's on Squeeze, can I upgrade it to Wheezy without breaking anything?
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08:34<babilen>deepy: domO or domU ?
08:34<babilen>deepy: But I guess that both can be ugpraded, it's important to follow the release notes though.
08:34<babilen>dpkg: tell deepy -about squeeze->wheezy
08:34<babilen>dpkg: tell deepy -about release notes
08:35<deepy>domO
08:35<deepy>or wait, no, I'm a guest
08:35<deepy>domU
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09:03<pc1>
09:03<pc1>is there anymore(first irc connection)
09:03<pc1>?
09:04<bhuddah>pc1: no.
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09:06<pc1>right ... so nothing strange if no one responds ...
09:06<james41382>huh?
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09:07<pc1>if anyone is interested, I would like to summon thou help
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09:07<pc1>I got a problem of compilator
09:07<james41382>compiler?
09:07<Carlos_>hello ï strange strang
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09:07<pc1>gnat, on the last version of debian, last paquet
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09:08<ShakinShark>怎么杀进程
09:08<fabizio>ciao
09:08<gnugr>!ask
09:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:08<ShakinShark>:D
09:09<ShakinShark>how to kill a 进程 in ubuntu
09:09<Maulkin>!ubuntuirc
09:09<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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09:12<pc1>thanks. I didn't know people on were like that. So : every time I tried to compile a piece of code of Ada2012, which is correct
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09:13<pc1>I obtain a " .ali " and a " .o "
09:13<pc1>but no executable
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09:14<pc1>and GPS(sorta front-end for the compiler) says "[2013-09-02 15:12:51] No file selected
09:14<pc1>[2013-09-02 15:12:51] Invalid context, cannot build
09:14<pc1>"
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09:15<pc1>when I ask for running the code.
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09:15<pc1>using only the front end don't make any executable too
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09:26<vibhav>My microsoft comfort curve doesnt work with debian jessie currently
09:26<vibhav>(even after using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration) to select my keyboard, some keys are mapped incorrectly
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09:27<vibhav>any idea how do i fox this?
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09:30<Guest5228>Hello, can some help me with iso/osi model? I need to now which layer are implemented on a router? I know it works on the network layer, but I think it need layer 1 to 3 to work? I am right? Thanks :)
09:31<Guest5228>*know
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09:31<ksk>Guest5228: we will not answer your homework :P
09:32<ksk>but take a look at the the osi article on wikipedia, it should tell you. better go to debian-offtopic for those questions anyway
09:33<vibhav>Can I have a custom keyboard layout?
09:33<Guest5228>ok thanks!
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09:37<bhuddah>vibhav: there is a tool named keytouch to map keys on multimedia keyboards with extra buttons.
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09:41<olasd>I'm wondering, is there any way to filter out which printers a given cups client has access to on a cups server?
09:41<vibhav>bhuddah: that only works for function keys
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09:41<bhuddah>vibhav: so you have problems with "real" keys? can you describe them further?
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09:43<vibhav>bhuddah: heres the keyboard: http://www.activewin.com/reviews/hardware/keyboards/ms/cck2000/loresproduct2.jpg . For the key "2", which is supposed to gives "@" with shift, gives "
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09:44<vibhav>bhuddah: get me?
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09:46<bhuddah>vibhav: you have simply selected the wrong keymap, i think. what language have you selected? and which one do you like to have?
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09:48<vibhav>bhuddah: I selected the correct model for my keyboard during dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
09:49<bhuddah>vibhav: which one did you select?
09:50<vibhav>bhuddah: "Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000"
09:50<babilen>vibhav: Sounds as if you selected they wrong keymap, what does /etc/default/keyboard contain? Could you paste it to http://paste.debian.net ?
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09:51<bhuddah>vibhav: which keymap.. the layout for the language. not the keyboard model
09:51<bhuddah>babilen: thx.
09:51<vibhav>bhuddah: http://paste.debian.net/33739/
09:52<vibhav>bhuddah: tried English UK ans US.Both dont work
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09:52<bhuddah>did you reboot?
09:54<babilen>vibhav: Where are you trying this? Does it behave as you expect it to on tty1?
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09:56*babilen pokes vibhav
09:56<vibhav>wait :D
09:56<vibhav>babilen: no
09:56<vibhav>let me reboot agagin
09:56<babilen>"where are you trying this?"
09:57<vibhav>where?
09:57<bhuddah>on the console
09:57<bhuddah>in x, in kde, in gnome...
09:58<bhuddah>please don't say via ssh ^^
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09:58<babilen>brb
09:59<babilen>olasd: "lpstat -a" maybe?
10:00<babilen>olasd: Or does that list printers the client knows about, but has no access to ? (that command naturally has to be run on the client, not aware of anything server side)
10:00<babilen>But then I am no CUPS guru
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10:02<WUKONS>hi there, probably not the right room for question like this but i wil lask anyway: how to secure port on my Debian 7? I mean how to secure port from public accessing, interested in adding some Auth or something that no one can't access without pass.
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10:03<babilen>WUKONS: Just don't run anything on that port. What exactly do you worry about?
10:03<babilen>WUKONS: And it is called "channel" nor "room" :)
10:03<babilen>*not
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10:05<WUKONS>well, i have a port based directory for admin panel and rtorrents, so i would like to secure that port so noone can access it without login. like localhost:2222/webpanel/ , ocalhost:2222/rtorrent/ and files/sections are listed at localhost:2222
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10:05<WUKONS>and yeah, room sounded nicely :D
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10:07<olasd>babilen: I mean I want the client to only have access to a subset of printers
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10:07<olasd>(i.e. first floor machines shouldn't be able to print on the second floor printers
10:07<olasd>)
10:07<babilen>olasd: Ah! You want to restrict control not list those printers to which control has been granted :)
10:07<olasd>yes
10:08<babilen>Sorry, I understood your question the wrong way round :)
10:08<babilen>Lets see
10:08<olasd>I want to dumb down the clients. Currently each client has its own spooler, but that sucks
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10:09<themill>don't you specify classes of printer using classes.conf(5)?
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10:11<vibhav_>bhuddah: Alright, even after rebooting, my keyboard doesnt work
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10:12<vibhav_>maybe I will have to create a cutstom keymap
10:12<olasd>themill: I don't, and I have no idea if I should?
10:12<bhuddah>vibhav_: the keyboard works as expected. you still have the wrong keymap.
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10:12<vibhav_>bhuddah: You have the same keyboard?
10:13<babilen>olasd: We've only restricted based on users not based on machines ... But I guess that it is possible too. It's just something that I've never done before :-/
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10:13<bhuddah>vibhav_: no. but your problem clearly says that it is the wrong keymap. can you please compare all other keys of the layout and see if " is the only wrong map?
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10:14<babilen>vibhav_: *where* do you test? Which keymap do you have? Could you run xev and paste the output you get then you hit shift-2 ? (and so on)
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10:17<babilen>olasd: Maybe you have your users in different groups already based on their location? (level0-people, level1-people, level2-people, ...)
10:18<olasd>unfortunately not, everyone can use all the labs
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10:31<zeev>Hi, I try format my usb stick with ext4. I run this: # umount /dev/sdb1; mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 -L MyDisk_EXT4 . Everything seems to be Ok. Once I mount the disk in Nautilus - I see lost+found folder which is not readable and I can't write anything to the disk. It looks like root owns the mount point and the files inside. How can I make it usable for regular users (without fstab, since I want to have several disks with different partiotions, so
10:31<zeev>I don't want to mention them all in fstab)?
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10:43<jemadux>how to deal with it ?
10:43<jemadux>
10:43<jemadux> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
10:43<jemadux> /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/gettext/mo.rb:46: undefined method `force_encoding' for "\225\004\022\336":String (NoMethodError)
10:43<jemadux> from /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/gettext/text_domain.rb:16:in `require'
10:43<jemadux> from /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/gettext/text_domain.rb:16
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10:44<jemadux> from /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs:274
10:44<jemadux> E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || exit 10 returned an error code (10)
10:44<jemadux> E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || exit 10
10:44<jemadux> roo
10:44<zumbi>!paste
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10:45<themill>don't run sid is the easiest way
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10:55<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
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10:55<cousin_luigi>net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1 is not being kept after reboot, not sure where else to set it besides /etc/sysctl.conf.
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11:01<hfp>Greetings! I am setting up NFS on my server. I would like that any new file written to the share belongs to uid 998 and gid 999 so I added "anonuid=998,anongid=999" to my /etc/exports file for the relevant share. Yet when I create files or directories from a client, it always belongs to uid=1000 and gid=1000. What am I missing?
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11:02<bhuddah>hfp: that the user is not anon? what is the userid of the user you're creating the file with?
11:03<hfp>Do you mean on the client?
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11:03<bhuddah>hfp: yes.
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11:04<hfp>bhuddah: 1000:1000
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11:05<hfp>Aren't the anonuid and anongid settings made to override that? uids and gids are not synchronized over all the clients
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11:06<bhuddah>hfp: they need not be synchronized to be used by the clients. maybe you have to force the clients not to use them. need to look it up. one sec
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11:07<bhuddah>hfp: all_squash should help.
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11:08<bhuddah>hfp: as server option.. see man 5 exports
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11:09<wompa>hfp, anonIDs are for changing root IDs to some fake ID, iirc
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11:10<hfp>bhuddah: Yes this works
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11:10<hfp>wompa: I don't understand what that means :s
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11:13<wompa>hfp, if a remote root user logins mounts a nfs share and writes files to it those files will belong to user nobody, unless you specify anonuid and anongid
11:13<wompa>hmm, -logins
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11:17<hfp>wompa: So I am doing this right, yes? Because on the server, 1000:1000 is an unprivilegied user named "default" that I am using to SSH over to the server. And thus, it is an issue if new files over NFS are created belonging to this user
11:17<hfp>Because the files on the NFS share are then manipulated by daemons running under user 999
11:18<hfp>uid 998 is a user called "nfs" that I created in case I need to differenciate files created over NFS later on. user "nfs" belongs to groups 998 and 999
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11:22<bhuddah>hfp: what are you trying to achieve with this?
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11:24<hfp>bhuddah: I want to make the files and directories written over NFS accessible to the user running the daemons while still being able to spot the files created over NFS by using a different user belonging to the daemon's group
11:25<dex>hi, i can not print from console it says :lp: The printer or class was not found. but if i do it in evince i can print, whats wrong in console??
11:25<hfp>bhuddah: This is a sabnzbd setup and I want to be able to write .nzb files to a directory watched by sabnzbd to add them to its queue. And sabnzbd is running under user 999
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11:26<dex>i type: lp file.pdf
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11:27<cousin_luigi>sysctl values aren't being loaded, not sure what to check
11:27<cousin_luigi>any hints?
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11:28<wompa>hfp, no, I don't think anonuid will help with that. The client will write files to the nfs share as the client's current user, unless the current user is root then it will be as the user "nobody"
11:29<hfp>wompa: I just tried and it works, files are written as 998:999 but I want to make sure this is the right way of doing it
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11:29<wompa>aha
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11:35<wompa>cousin_luigi, did you run "sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding" right after a boot? That's without a =1 at the end
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11:35<cousin_luigi>wompa: zero
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11:38<wompa>cousin_luigi, what does "grep forwarding /etc/sysctl.conf" return?
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11:41<retroj>hello. i have a testing system (Jessie), and i would like to know how to have usb drives mounted with group 'floppy'. i tried installing the package usbmount, and modifying FS_MOUNTOPTIONS in /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf, per instructions in the file, but my usb drives are still automounted as root:root.
11:42<retroj>(and i don't care about desktop environment support for removable media)
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11:48<paul>hi
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11:50<cousin_luigi>wompa: net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1 and net.ipv6.conf.default.forwarding=1
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11:52<wompa>cousin_luigi, try to run "sysctl --system", it should mimic what happens at boot
11:54<wompa>cousin_luigi, if it doesn't work I suspect it might be ip6table rules not allowing forwarding
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11:57<wompa>cousin_luigi, you are trying to make it to an ipv6 router for other computers on your local network?
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11:58<cousin_luigi>wompa: yes, and everything works as long as I set those variables by hand and start the required daemons
11:59<wompa>what daemons?
12:00<cousin_luigi>radvd and isc-dhcp-server
12:00<wompa>those should start at boot
12:01<wompa>radvd might not start if your network interfaces are not properly configured in /etc/network/interfaces
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12:01<wompa>or radvd.conf
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12:06<cousin_luigi>wompa: radvd won't start without that variable being set
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12:08<ken>hi
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12:12<wompa>cousin_luigi, oh I see. You could try to comment those two lines in sysctl.conf and make a new file with those lines (not commented) and put the file in /etc/sysctl.d/ipv6forwarding.conf (or some other filename in that folder with a .conf at the end of the filename)
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12:21<cousin_luigi>wompa: no dice
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12:22<cousin_luigi>wompa: is procps supposed to be only inside /etc/rcS.d ?
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12:29<wompa>cousin_luigi, did you really try to just check, and not set it, what the value was right after boot?
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12:30<cousin_luigi>wompa: I let radvd test it for me
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12:32<cousin_luigi>could it be some module not being loaded at the right moment?
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12:32<wompa>I'd check it manually to see if we can trust radvd though
12:33<cousin_luigi>...
12:33<Dentych>Hey. Should questions about debian software be in #debian-offtopic??
12:33<wompa>Dentych, if you need help with the software this is the place for it
12:34<cousin_luigi>wompa: every single time I checked after radvd complained the variable wasn't there
12:34<wompa>cousin_luigi, I thought you said you let radvd test it for you?
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12:35<Dentych>wompa, it's more of a software-finding kind of situtation. I'm looking into some software to use for retailing. So I just wanted to hear various opinions on different kinds of softwares
12:35<athul>hello
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12:36<wompa>Dentych, if you need help to find applications you should tell us here some criterias on what you want to do, opinions about software would be -offtopic
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12:39<cousin_luigi>wompa: that's what I've been doing for the last 5 reboots or so
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12:39<wompa>okay..
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12:40<Dentych_>wompa: Sorry, my computer just gave me BSoD.. If you replied, could you write it again please?
12:40<wompa>Dentych, if you need help to find applications you should tell us here some criterias on what you want to do, opinions about software would be -offtopic
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12:40<cousin_luigi>I tried adding sysctl -p to /etc/rc.local but it didn't work
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12:41<Dentych_>wompa: Alright then. Well, I'm looking for software to act as stock management as well as an upfront cash register application. Do you guys know of any software that does this on linux?
12:41<wompa>cousin_luigi, what is the output of radvd when it doesn't start?
12:41<Dentych_>Preferably not a web application
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12:44<cousin_luigi>wompa: http://pastebin.com/3etpdeTu
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12:55<weather-god>O/
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13:03<flavio>ciao a tutti
13:03<cousin_luigi>ok, sysctl problem solved
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13:04<wompa>cousin_luigi, cool, what did you do?
13:05<cousin_luigi>wompa: added /sbin/sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf to /etc/rc.local as suggested
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13:05<cousin_luigi>still, radvd won't start automatically at boot
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13:05<flavio>ciaoooo
13:05<wompa>It doesn't seem to output very much, there might be more info in /var/log/syslog
13:06<weather-god>Okay
13:06<weather-god>Ciao
13:06<cousin_luigi>wompa: couldn't find anything
13:06<wompa>ok
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13:07<cousin_luigi>I suspect it won't start because rc.local is executed later
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13:07<wompa>cousin_luigi, you can try to add "IgnoreIfMissing on" to proper interface in radvd.conf
13:08<cousin_luigi>wompa: trying
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13:13<Dentych_>Does anyone know if LemonPOS is still active?
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13:15<bhuddah>Dentych_: sourceforge says there was a recent update to the testing version of it
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13:16<Dentych_>bhuddah: Yeah, I saw that too. But the website seems completely abandoned
13:16<oiaw>can Debian install microsoft office with wine, or does it only work with Ubuntu?
13:17<sney>wine is wine
13:17<bhuddah>Dentych_: i wouldn't trust it to build a shop around it. i must say. but pos systems are really a mess. openbravopos was nice, until it was replaced with a non-opensource pos
13:17<SynrG>that would depend on the version of wine. i believe winehq's database is where to figure that out
13:17<cousin_luigi>wompa: nothing to do, I wonder if there's a debug switch somewhere
13:17<SynrG>!wine
13:17<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
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13:18<Dentych_>bhuddah: You don't think lemonPOS seems good enough? If openbravopos is no longer open source, do you know of any good ones out there that is?
13:18<bhuddah>Dentych_: do you plan to use it for retail or for what?
13:19<sney>believe me, the last thing you want is an unmaintained mess managing your sales and inventory
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13:19<Dentych_>sney: Yeah, that is true. That's why lemonPOS's website concerns me.
13:19<bhuddah>Dentych_: unicentapos is based on the old java openbravopos. and pretty much alive, afaik.
13:19<Dentych_>bhuddah: I'd like to look into both retailing systems and restaurant systems
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13:20<bhuddah>Dentych_: for restaurants there is nothing which works. i have surveyed the market quite a bit about a year ago
13:20<Dentych_>bhuddah: The POS doesn't have to be the same for retail and the resturant part, but I would like to be able to set up POS's for both types of stores.
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13:20<Dentych_>bhuddah: Okay, shame. Let's keep it at retailing then
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13:21<bhuddah>Dentych_: then unicentapos. i had a customer for which i build a system around openbravopos and afaik it still runs fine.
13:21<wompa>cousin_luigi, I don't know about debug switch. Do you have a /var/log/radvd.log ?
13:21<bhuddah>and it is customizable as long as you know some java
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13:24<wompa>http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=lemonpos-general mailing list seems a bit active, a question about its activity at the bottom too
13:26<Dentych_>bhuddah: Alright. So.. Java.. Is unicentaPOS stable, good, fast, smooth, etc? I have my precautions when it comes to java :)
13:26<oiaw>ubuntu seems to be better tested on wine than Debian
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13:28<bhuddah>Dentych_: i would certainly try it. my experience with the predecessor are good.
13:29<bhuddah>Dentych_: only problem i had (which was solvable) was some minor rounding issues concerning the calculation of VAT with the respective brutto and netto values
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13:30<cousin_luigi>wompa: I customised its location, but it doesn't work when launched on boot
13:30<wompa>ok
13:30<cousin_luigi>this is bizarre
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13:35<Dentych_>bhuddah: I'll give it a try
13:35<bhuddah>Dentych_: good luck. if you have further questions, you can try to contact me :)
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13:36<Dentych>bhuddah: Alright, thank you a lot :)
13:37<Dentych>brb
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13:44<roughnecks>cousin_luigi: i have a similar setup, IPv6 from sixxs, radvd and net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1 set in /etc/sysctl.conf, since squeeze was stable. Here all is working as expected, though. Don't know if i can help you someway
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13:45<roughnecks>Also, i didn't read the entire conversation
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13:47<Dentych>bhuddah: Just a quick noob question, can unicentaPOS use mysql?
13:48<Dentych>And does it support a admin server and then multiple POS's?
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13:52<cousin_luigi>roughnecks: the sysctl variable was only the first part of the problem and it has been solved. Now radvd starts regularly when invoked but not at boot and there isn't even a line of log.
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13:53<retroj>in a default install, what provides usb drive automounting? gvfs?
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13:54<babilen>retroj: My answer would be "Nothing", but in Gnome it is handled by nautilus.
13:55<babilen>retroj: gvfs is involved, but the functionality that was in gnome-automount-daemon before has been merged into nautilus
13:56<retroj>thanks
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14:08<retroj>my setting of FS_MOUNTOPTIONS in /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf is not being respected, and i don't understand why. nautilus is not running (i'm not in X), so the problem is something with usbmount
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14:14<mshuler>I only have one pure wheezy machine to look at - could someone running linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae_3.2.46-1+deb7u1 verify for me that uname returns "3.2.46-1" (without +deb7u1) - I was fidling with digitalocean's kernel config and kexec'ing local kernel
14:15<Dentych>bhuddah: Hmmmm... unicenta seems a little clumsy to me. It gives me "Exception in thread 'AWT-EventQueue-0' java.lang.NullPointerException"..
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14:36<mshuler>never mind.. looks like DO is booting linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae_3.2.46-1_i386.deb and my kexec didn't work correctly
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14:46<retroj>aha.. might have found the problem
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15:11<Radon_3>Hello everyone. Can I ask a question please?
15:11<WUKONS>No. :D
15:11<Radon_3>Tnx. I wonder if I can install an AMD64 version of Debian on my current system.
15:12<Radon_3>Is AMD64 version only installable on AMD CPUs?
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15:12<Radon_3>Or can I install it on my Intell PC as well?
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15:13<Radon_3>????
15:13<overo>!amd64
15:13<dpkg>amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
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15:15<Radon_3>So you're saying that my old Intel Celeron 3.2GHz CPU can run a 64bit version of Debian with no problems? rihgt?
15:15<Radon_3>right?
15:16<blast007>if it's a 64-bit intel celeron, then sure
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15:16<mshuler>Radon_3: how much RAM in the machine?
15:16<Radon_3>2GB
15:16<Radon_3>1TB HD
15:16<mshuler>install i386 - no need for amd64
15:17<Radon_3>why not?
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15:17<Radon_3>Is amd64 better and more secure and also faster?
15:17<Radon_3>Isn't?
15:17<Radon_3>Isn't amd64 better and more secure and also faster??
15:17<mshuler>even if amd64 works on that proc, processes will use more RAM than i386 - it's not faster, it's a different architecture
15:18<mshuler>and it has nothing at all to do with security
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15:19<blast007>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Pros_and_cons
15:19<Radon_3>Sorry folks. I am new to Debian. I thought it was more like windows, cause I read somewhere that 64bit architect (Windows) was more secure than 32bit version of it. Apparently the same is not true about Linux or Debian
15:20<mshuler>blast007: good example, thanks :)
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15:21<Radon_3>It might sound stupid to ask this in the official IRC channel of Debian, but do you think it is a good idea to move from Windows to Debian both on my PC and laptop?
15:21<retroj>Radon_3: yes.
15:21<mshuler>Radon_3: sure
15:21<blast007>you're going to get a biased answer to that question here :)
15:21<bernat>Radon_3: we'll say always yes, but that's something you should measure
15:22<Radon_3>Why? Can you be a little bit more specific please?
15:22<Radon_3>What's the catch?
15:22<retroj>because debian is a much better operating system?
15:22<mshuler>Radon_3: even if you have windows-specific software to run (I do for some university classes), you can setup a virtualbox machine to run that software - that's what I do
15:22<retroj>:) yeah, i'm heavily biased
15:22<mshuler>same here
15:23<bernat>Radon_3: read about what Debian is and decide if it cuts it for you
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15:24<mshuler>Radon_3: if you are really new to linux, install on onw machine and use it exclusively - that's how you'll learn to get around - soon enough, you'll want to install on the second machine :-D
15:24<mshuler>s/onw/one/
15:24<mshuler>that leaves you an "oh crap, I need this XYZ software for work!"
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15:25<Radon_3>I have some experice with Ubuntu. But it kept dissappointing me all the time. There was that one specific time, when i tried to update it and it did nothing but crashing. Also the last version of Ubuntu didn't recognize my old Graphic card :(((((((
15:25<blast007>Radon_3: in any case, make sure that if you don't have recovery media for your desktop/laptop that you create it before wiping your system (and also back up your data)
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15:26<Radon_3>blast007: Tnx for adivce. Very kind of you....
15:27<mshuler>Radon_3: although there are some subtle differences, both Debian and Ubuntu use the Linux kernel - if you have trouble with hardware, a flavor of Linux distribution won't make much difference (Debian or Ubuntu), since they are both Linux..
15:27<bernat>Radon_3: sometimes things don't work like expected, don't matter which system you use, although Debian is usually more stable than Ubuntu
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15:28<Radon_3>bernat: Well actually that's the reason why I am getting interested in Debian. Cause I noticed that it has been around for quite a long time now. That's what tempted me to go for Debian
15:29<mshuler>Radon_3: we would be interested in helping out with your problems, if you have them, after (or during) installing Debian
15:30<bernat>Radon_3: the best way to know is trying, if problems arise you have manuals, wiki, forums, this chat,...
15:30<mshuler>Radon_3: you might try a live disk, first
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15:31<mshuler>Radon_3: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/
15:31<Radon_3>mshuler: Actually I was going to download a DVD disk image first. Why live disk? Doesn't it miss a lot of features?
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15:34<bernat>Radon_3: with live disks you can easily test hardware compatibility
15:34<Radon_3>Roger that!
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15:36<Nazcafan>hi
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15:37<Nazcafan>I just noticed that nautilus fails to detect when I insert data-cdroms on jessie, is there a way to fix that
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15:37<Nazcafan>?
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15:38<MrFrood>Nazcafan: try asking in #debian-next
15:39<Radon_3>thank you all for helping me. I guess I will be back here after the installation progress is completed. Cause I think I maybe having a lot of problems. Thnx.
15:39<mshuler>huh. so are the debian-live-7.1-*.iso images not fully released, yet? found 'em on live.d.o, but cdimage.d.o doesn't list them
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15:40<bernat>great optimism
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15:51<Celelibi>Is there a network guru somewhere?
15:52<Azrael_->hi
15:52<Celelibi>Someone that could explain strange bandwidth behavior with tc.
15:52<Azrael_->Celelibi: don't ask to ask, just ask
15:52<Celelibi>It's not really debian related, so... I never know.
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15:53<Azrael_->i've got a server only with ssh installed. what transfer-method can you suggest to transfer a 2gb file with only 50kb/s best without installing anything/much?
15:53<mshuler>pastebin your errors, doubts, dreams.. you might get someone to help, Celelibi
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15:54<Celelibi>mshuler: better than that, I've plot a curve. :)
15:54<Azrael_->the client is windows
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15:56<Celelibi>So, here it is: http://nsa33.casimages.com/img/2013/09/02/130902100058241202.png
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15:57<Celelibi>The experiment is the following : 3 nodes with infiniband NIC.
15:57<Celelibi>One act as a router between the others.
15:57<Celelibi>With tc, I limit the bandwidth on the router.
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15:59<Celelibi>And then I use iperf between two nodes.
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15:59<ken>hi all
15:59<Celelibi>The schema is simple: iperf client <--> router (with limited bandwidth) <--> iperf server
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16:00<mshuler>Celelibi: I'd bet there are better places to find network help, but are you wondering why it's non-linear, or the flat peak?
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16:00<Celelibi>And what bothers me is that for a setting of 6.5Gb/s to 8Gb/s is measure the same bandwidth.
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16:01<Celelibi>-is+I
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16:02<Celelibi>mshuler: if you can recommend another place, go on. :)
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16:03<mshuler>Celelibi: #networking on irc.freenode.net would be your best bet :)
16:03<Orioa>im having an issue....my wallpaper for my dual monitors won't stay..i installed the gnome tweak and still it doesn't keep..also i have tried nitrogen any help would be appreciated
16:03<simox>hello
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16:04<mshuler>Azrael_-: scp the file
16:05<mshuler>Azrael_-: putty has scp/sftp that should work from windows
16:05<Celelibi>mshuler: thx, I'll try there.
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16:06<Azrael_->mshuler: k, thanks. unfortunately they don't support resuming (afaik)
16:07<mshuler>Azrael_-: correct.
16:09<mshuler>Azrael_-: you could try 'rsync --partial <...>' over ssh - not sure about installing rsync on windows, though, but it might be out there
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16:11<mshuler>Azrael_-: looks liek there is a cygwin port - https://www.itefix.no/i2/cwrsync - client help certainly won't be supported on #debian ;)
16:11<Azrael_->k, will compress it witz 7zip and then split it up into smaller files
16:11<Azrael_->shure, this would be possible but i wanted to avoid to install too much. it's just a onetimer
16:12<mshuler>Azrael_-: that sounds like a good strategy :)
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19:43<kesta>hello world!
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19:46-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
19:46-!-kesta was kicked from #debian by abrotman [you should know better]
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19:47<kesta>ca dort ou quoi ?
19:47<abrotman>don't do that
19:47<kesta>do you talking to /me
19:48<kesta>?
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19:49<piper>kesta found out you couldnt CTCP me
19:50<piper>many pings though
19:50<piper>thanks abrotman
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20:09<Osiris_X>I'm getting the message "Error downloading data file: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known" when I install packages with aptitude - any ideas what this is about?
20:10<SamB>hmm, why do I have: % ls -l /dev/cdrom*
20:10<SamB>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Jul 21 00:05 /dev/cdrom6 -> sr0
20:10<Osiris_X>SamB because sr0 is your 1st CD/DVD drive device
20:11<SamB>yeah but what's the 6 for?
20:11<Osiris_X>not sure why the mapping is to cdrom6 - do you have cdrom1 -5?
20:11<themill>/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
20:11<SamB>hmm
20:12<Osiris_X>is it a removable USB CD/DVD drive
20:12<themill>Osiris_X: your error is a DNS error. Broken resolver in resolv.conf? mirror listed in sources.list gone away?
20:12<SamB>hmm, pretty sure I've not had that many distinct optical drives connected ... I guess part of it is probably from kernel churn?
20:13<Osiris_X>themill: thanks
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20:13<themill>SamB: have a look in that udev file and read the entries
20:13<SamB>yeah I'm doing that now
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20:13<asdf1>Anyone up for helping me figure out why debian's not logging ssh?
20:14<asdf1>not got a /var/log/secure or /var/log/auth.log etc
20:14<asdf1>so I assume it's not that I've broken something, it's just never been logging
20:15<asdf1>got this in sshd_config:
20:15<asdf1>SyslogFacility AUTH
20:15<asdf1>LogLevel VERBOSE
20:15<Osiris_X>themill: apt-get update does not exhibit the same behaviour - it appears that all sources are reachable
20:17<Osiris_X>themill: so I guess it one particular package trying download something, but it is not clear which one :(
20:17<asdf1>any clues?
20:17<themill>Osiris_X: can you pastebin the entire apt run?
20:19<Osiris_X>themill: I can get that from /var/log/apt/term.log presumably for historical runs
20:21<asdf1>oh
20:21<asdf1>got it, ignore me
20:21<SamB>okay, so I emptied that file out and renamed the symlinks manually
20:21<SamB>hopefully I will have nicer looking symlinks on my next boot
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20:26<Osiris_X>themill: ok this is very strange - using less or pastebinit displays the /var/log/apt/term.log file one way (with information seemingly truncated) and more shows it properly (or what I would consider properly) -any ideas how to solve this so I can pastebinit the "more" version?
20:26<themill>Osiris_X: does "less -r" look better?
20:28<Osiris_X>themill: yes more what I would expect - however just noticed that the error message doesn't appear in any of the logs :(
20:28<Osiris_X>it seemed to appear after logging finished
20:28<Osiris_X>themill: maybe some apt / aptitude post installation action?
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20:29<themill>did the previous apt run fail? (is it not just in your scrollback?)
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20:30<Osiris_X>themill: the apt run (via aptitude) did not fail - unfortunately I have overrun my scrollback with other output now
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20:52<orak3l>let´s say my server has a set of open ports and everything else is set to drop. what i want to do now is when someone attempts to connect to a closed port the according ip address should be banned from accessing the server altogether. i´m using apf where it´s possible to ban ip addresses with "apf -d <ip>" but i haven´t found a way yet how to glue the two scenarios together. your help is very much appreciated
20:54<Infiltrator>Osiris_X: How does the file look if you `cat` it?
20:54<Infiltrator>I know that this is uuoca material, but if it looks fine with `cat`, you could `cat foo | pastebinit`.
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20:55<Osiris_X>Infiltrator: it looks fine with cat, so yes I can follow your suggestion - however I noticed that error message came after logging had ended
20:56<Osiris_X>which makes me think apt / aptitude is doing something post installation which results in a DNS resolution failure
21:02<Infiltrator>Osiris_X: Which package is it, anyway?
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21:03<Osiris_X>Infiltrator: it seems to happen everytime I run aptitude now
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21:09<Infiltrator>Can you pastebin the full run, then, please?
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21:14<Osiris_X>Infiltrator: sure, but even using cat and a pipe, it still looks different in the pastebin than it does when you cat
21:14<Osiris_X>Infiltrator: http://paste.debian.net/34013/
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21:16<WUKONS>damn, still didn't find a way how to auth protect my port
21:16<Infiltrator>Osiris_X: Does that paste show the error? The bottom-most run looks like it completed without issues.
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21:17<Infiltrator>If you could paste the actual run (copy-paste from your terminal), that would be best.
21:17<stderr>WUKONS: What do you mean?
21:17<Osiris_X>Infiltrator: no, error appeared in the terminal after each run - I will find something to install and get the terminal output
21:18<WUKONS>I have a live port (as example) localhost:2222 where are lsited some directories which i would like to protect by auth stderr:
21:18<Infiltrator>Osiris_X: If you're running in a console, screen or tmux; if you've got a GUI terminal emulator, you should be able to click and drag to select.
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21:18<Infiltrator>WUKONS: Which web server? Apache?
21:18<stderr>WUKONS: Listed how? What protocol are we talking about?
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21:19<Infiltrator>stderr: Pft. I prefer jumping to conclusions.
21:19<stderr>Oh, I know that game...
21:19<WUKONS>Infiltrator: yep Apache
21:19<WUKONS>stderr: what you mean O_o
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21:20<stderr>WUKONS: I was just wondering if we were talking about HTTP, FTP, RSYNC or something else...
21:20<themill>WUKONS: reread your question and ask how anyone would know what you're doing to "list some directories"
21:20<stderr>WUKONS: Have you tried .htaccess?
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21:20<Infiltrator>WUKONS: Have a look at this to get you started: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/auth.html
21:20<WUKONS>http and yes, tried with .htaccess but it seems not working for port
21:21<WUKONS>Infiltrator: well, yeah, but i need it for port and not directory
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21:22<stderr>Put the password on / on that port...
21:22<themill>A clear problem statement would get a long way towards finding an answer.
21:23<WUKONS>may i ask how to set password for port?
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21:24<stderr>You have a virtual host that listen on port 2222, right? Put the password on / on that virtual host.
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21:24<Osiris_X>Infiltrator: http://paste.debian.net/34027/
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21:27<themill>Osiris_X: eww... that's pretty vague. Check hook scripts in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
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21:30<Osiris_X>themill: ok
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21:57<chris>Hey! I've been running Ubuntu for a while. Never tried Debian but am wanting to, is it worth doing the livedvd?
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21:58<crunchbang>#! is worthit.
21:59<chris>does it have the forum support ubuntu does?
21:59<abrotman>forum.debian.net
22:00<crunchbang>http://crunchbang.org/forums/
22:01<chris>well yeah, but is it as thorough? If I can't fix it the forums always have the answer. Same with Debian?
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22:01<crunchbang>You should be able to find an answer easily
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22:03<chris>Mhm... What about the gui? I'm a KDE guy. (Absolutely hate Unity)
22:03<themill>dpkg: tell chris about install kde
22:04<chris>I figure I can install it if I don't like the original, but what does it come with?
22:04*themill suspects crunchbang is lost
22:04<themill>chris: the debian installer installs whichever desktop environment you ask it to
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22:06<chris>Holy shit. That's beautiful. I think I'll try the live USB and then log back in.
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23:57<angasule>I have a Lenovo thinkpad X230 with a slice battery (so, two batteries), debian insists on hibernating when the slice battery is low, regardless of how much power is left in the main battery
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