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---Logopened Fri Sep 06 00:00:05 2013
00:00<projektile>entire desktop freezes when i rightclick a terminal.
00:00<projektile>dont know what do?
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00:02<SamB>projektile: what terminal?
00:03<projektile>bash
00:03<SamB>that's a shell, not a terminal
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00:04<bubchi89>if you can explain how you opened the terminal then i can probably help you figure out which terminal emulator it is
00:05<alvarezp>Hi. Does anybody know why USB drives no longer automount? They appear on Nautilus and if I click it they mount, but I remember a while ago I just plugged it in and I could access it from the terminal without needing to mount it through Nautilus.
00:05<alvarezp>Debian Sid her
00:05<alvarezp>here
00:05<projektile>when i press *Special* + 't'
00:05<projektile>that;s how open bash
00:05<projektile>in openbox
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00:07<toothpick>When I chose Poweroff or Restart in Gnome3, the system freezes and fails to continue. Anyone can help ? :)
00:08<bubchi89>projektile: you should consider looking up the differences between a shell and a terminal emulator
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00:09<bubchi89>projektile: look up the openbox documentation and figure out how it determines which terminal emulator to open
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00:10<bubchi89>alvarezp: Consider reading about /etc/fstab and you can use mount -f to see if it works
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00:15<bubchi89>Anyone know a simple way to get vim xterm_clipboard support without compiling from source myself? I'm confused how other people are copy pasting from vim without it...
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00:24<toothpick>When I chose Poweroff or Restart in Gnome3, the system freezes and fails to continue. Anyone can help ? :-)
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00:26<alvarezp>bubchi89: I think this has something to do with GNOME, more than fstab.
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00:27<bubchi89>alvarezp: I'm pretty sure automount on boot is entirely determined by fstab. What makes you think it's not?
00:28<dualbus>automount when the device is connected, not when the computer is booted.
00:28<alvarezp>bubchi89: I'm not talking about "on boot", but "on insert".
00:28<alvarezp>"on plugging ing"
00:29<dualbus>Like when you plug in a thumbdrive, and the file manager automatically mounts it and lets you navigate it. Without it being in fstab, or somewhere else.
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00:29<bubchi89>Ah
00:30<alvarezp>hi, dualbus! I didn't know you were here.
00:30<alvarezp>nice to see you around
00:33<dualbus>alvarezp: :) I'm everywhere
00:33<bubchi89>Did you check this gnome setting? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
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00:35<toothpick>have a problem when exiting gnome3, it freezes....
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00:35*alvarezp reads...
00:35<bubchi89>toothpick: I have never been able to figure out these issues, but you might consider taking a look at /var/log/. There's a kern log and such
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00:36<bubchi89>kern.log and syslog might have some hints? Maybe gnome logs some stuff too
00:36<toothpick>any specific file for xsessions? or gnome?
00:37<bubchi89>Well X logs to .xsessions-errors for me, but I doubt that has to do with shutdown. I don't use gnome though so no idea there. I'm sure you can find if gnome has any error logs through the interwebs
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00:38<alvarezp>bubchi89: everything was according to that page...
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00:39<toothpick>bubchi89: i found xsessions-errors file
00:39<toothpick>bubchi89: it has something in it
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00:40<bubchi89>I doubt it has anything meaningful... that's just where X programs log their stuff. If you're crashing while you're shutting down then X is probably already dead, but who knows
00:41<toothpick>i believe X doesn't die
00:41<toothpick>because if i leave a music player on, the music player keeps on running
00:41<toothpick>and after a very long time, it continue (delay of 5-6 minutes)
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00:41<toothpick>as if something is preventing it from shuting down. But i tried closing all apps to isolate the problem but it still does that.
00:43<bubchi89>alvarezp: I really have no experience with this issue (I don't hotplug anything to my machine). Teh bottom of that wiki suggests using dmesg though
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00:43<bubchi89>or not wiki I guess, just that help page
00:44<bubchi89>toothpick: I also have no experience with that. What does xsessions-errors tell you? I think xsessions-errors contains X programs' error messages... not issues with X itself shutting down
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00:45<alvarezp>bubchi89: yeah, but dmesg shows everything is fine too. I mean, everything is detected. They show up in /proc/partitions and even in Nautilus, ready for mounting on click, but I can't access them on the Terminal until I click on them on Nautilus. Anyway, I appreciate your time and help.
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00:46<toothpick>bubchi89: http://pastebin.com/16Dw62Us
00:46<bubchi89>alvarezp: That just means it wasn't mounted, right? Maybe it's possible to find where gnome logs its calls to 'mount'?
00:47<alvarezp>bubchi89: yes.
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00:47<alvarezp>I'm gonna ask in #debian-gnome. Thanks everyone
00:48<bubchi89>toothpick: I dunno, those logs just look like errors that occur when the X server starts
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00:49<toothpick>bubchi89: should i delete all X.org log files in /var/log and restart the system?
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00:51<bubchi89>toothpick: I think ther's timestamps in those logs. You shouldn't need to delete them, but feel free to try that
00:52<bubchi89>fg
00:53<toothpick>bubchi89: ok i'll be right back
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00:58<toothpick>i'm back :)
00:58<toothpick>bubchi89: i have a new x.org log file
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01:00<toothpick>i think this started happening after i did apt-get autoremove
01:03<toothpick>i think i'm going to say screw it. lol too much of logs to look into
01:03<toothpick>i'll just reinstall at some point
01:03<bubchi89>mm
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01:04<bubchi89>It depends how much time you have. If you're just dicking around with debian in your free time it might be fun to figure this one out/it would teach you skills in the long-run (since doubtless debian will break in other, similar ways)
01:04<bubchi89>but if you need your machine to be running to do work and such, then reinstalling might be the stopgap you need :P
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01:05<bubchi89>I had a similar issue with I did autoremove. I'm not sure why apt claimed all of those packages were no longer needed. Seems like a bug in the package dependencies, but I don't know enough about packages to make that claim
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01:05<toothpick>bubchi89: it is also about fun. and going through loads of log file and not knowing where to look is like assembly coding.
01:05<toothpick>bubchi89: and that is not fun
01:05<bubchi89>Haha, not sure if it's assembly coding. Assembly can be fun :P
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01:05<bubchi89>Looking through logs is a pain, but knowing where to find what can be incredibly useful
01:06<toothpick>bubchi89: i have been compiler programmer for last 7 years now at IBM :) that depends on how you look at it
01:06<toothpick>bubchi89: that's true
01:06<toothpick>bubchi89: but we don't know where to look. is it a program causing it? or X
01:06<bubchi89>Cool, I want to switch to some systems work. I am doing web services now and it's sort of boring :p
01:06<toothpick>bubchi89: we don't know yet
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01:06<bubchi89>Right, but it's a peeling the onion sort of thing
01:07<bubchi89>If we have a few places that are likely to have captured the error in their output/logs then we can check those
01:07<toothpick>true
01:07<bubchi89>maybe they describe the error that occurred, or which component failed. And then we peel another layer
01:07<toothpick>and likely those are xorg logs and xsession-error
01:07<toothpick>Oh another behaviour i noticed
01:07<bubchi89>Possibly, I don't know honestly. I barely know what X is other than that it's used for the GUI heh
01:08<toothpick>if i select Power Off from my user name menu, and then click cancel, it prompts me again right away
01:08<toothpick>well, you have the basics. X is the specification. it has api for basic shapes like rectangle circle etc
01:08<toothpick>gnome uses that to draw shapes
01:09<bubchi89>Huh? I thought gnome was just a desktop. Like it contained a bunch of different packages including ones that use X to draw stuff
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01:09<toothpick>i don't see contradiction in what i said and what you said
01:09<toothpick>that's what i said, gnome is just a window manager
01:09<bubchi89>I didn't think gnome did anything itself basically
01:09<toothpick>it uses X to draw stuff
01:10<bubchi89>fair enough
01:10<toothpick>ofcourse gnome does "something"
01:10<toothpick>:)
01:10<toothpick>fair then we have agreement
01:10<bubchi89>It prompts you again hm...
01:10<bubchi89>I wouldn't be surprised if autoremove borked your gnome installation and not really sure how to repair it
01:10<toothpick>ya. hit cancel prompts me again if i wanna shutdown or cancel or restart
01:10<bubchi89>maybe it's possible to reinstall gnome instead of the entire OS
01:11<toothpick>gdm3 hmm
01:11<bubchi89>well gdm has like a billion dependencies so not really sure how that'd work
01:11<toothpick>yeah true
01:11<bubchi89>It's actually a main reason why I gave up on it and switched to windows manager. I was glad this time around that i3-wm exists which seems to be really polished and actively developed
01:11<bubchi89>The other reason was just that I wanted to resize things with my keyboard and a tiling WM makes more sense for that
01:12<toothpick>what is that? another window manager?
01:12<toothpick>i see, got screenshot of how ur desktop looks like?
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01:12<bubchi89>I think there's a distinction between desktops and window managers. Window managers _just_ manage windows. Desktops have things like file managers and task bars and such
01:12<bubchi89>Haha, my "desktop" is literally just a terminal, with firefox next to it, and a bar at the bottom that says like "CPU: 35C | 262.2 GB free"
01:13<toothpick>show me
01:13<toothpick>lol
01:13<bubchi89>you can look up i3 wm if you want to see what it looks like. The best part, imo, is that it has great defaults
01:13<toothpick>i wanna see
01:13<bubchi89>I don't even know how to take a reasonable screenshot yet haha. I can capture it into a .ps file that's huge and I don't know how to convert it yet. Let me just link you the site
01:13<toothpick>i like gdm3 too, a lot of power, i can run full screen game and flip pages (workspaces)
01:13<toothpick>sure
01:13<bubchi89>Yeah workspaces are huge. I'm confused why Windows doesn't support it yet natively
01:14<bubchi89>Here's a screencast: http://youtu.be/Wx0eNaGzAZU
01:14<toothpick>don't even get me started on windows. i should start counting now to relax myself
01:14<bubchi89>Here's the screens page: http://i3wm.org/screenshots/
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01:14<bubchi89>Haha, well I use windows at work so I gotta deal :P. I miss my linux setup a lot though
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01:15<sem>sever www.love521.org
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01:15<toothpick>i saw the video you sent. i3 provides very little on top of xorg
01:16<toothpick>by default, that is pretty much what a standard X session will look like.. except the background is white
01:16<toothpick>and no management ofcourse. every window starts at Position 0, 0
01:16<toothpick>i.e top left
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01:16<bubchi89>I mean... it looks plain, because it is plain haha. But I would say it provides a lot of functionality that you need
01:16<bubchi89>like... moving windows :P
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01:17<toothpick>lol ya was going to say "you mean like moving windows"
01:17<toothpick>well as long as it works for you
01:17<toothpick>we're cool
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01:17<bubchi89>The big thing is that I don't like using the mouse
01:17<bubchi89>What editor do you use at work for code?
01:17<toothpick>you dont' like mouse? that's strange one. why?
01:17<toothpick>depends on what platform i'm programming for
01:17<toothpick>if it's java/c then I use mostly eclipse
01:17<bubchi89>Because when I learned vim in college, I started to use the keyboard more and more while I did work
01:18<bubchi89>and it become more and more annoying to move my hand off the keyboard to the mouse to do certain things
01:18<toothpick>:) i see
01:18<bubchi89>and I just thought "why... couldn't you just add a keybinding to do that?"
01:18<bubchi89>And you can. Just it's non-trivial on windows and without a nice, flexible WM
01:18<toothpick>but look at it this way, moving hand once in a while to the mouse can really be healthy for ur hand :)
01:18<bubchi89>My hands are fucked anyways haha. I'll deal with it when I get to the point. I'll probably go blind first
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01:19<toothpick>think positive
01:19<toothpick>but anyway
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01:19<toothpick>i'm gonna see if i get more time
01:19<toothpick>to play around with this
01:20<toothpick>mouse is a tool . we use the right tool for the job. Otherwise extreme view could argue why use keyboard even when you can afterall use wires to send ascii code through usb bus via electrical signals and that's true
01:21<toothpick>i wouldn't go that far :)
01:21<toothpick>but whatever works for you
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01:23<bubchi89>toothpick: Well...
01:23<bubchi89>toothpick: The mouse is certainly more natural in a lot of cases, but it has inherent deficiencies
01:23<bubchi89>Continuing with our example, why would I want to resize a window with the mouse?
01:24<bubchi89>Literally 99% of the time I just need to make it less wide or less tall... that's it. And moving the mouse so to that tiny ~3px border to do so is not only slow, but difficult
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01:24<bubchi89>So basically I'm arguing that the keyboard is the right tool for the job in a lot of cases
01:25<bubchi89>What the mouse excels at is that it's incredibly natural. Once you get used to a mouse, it can function in so many different ways with just two operations: 1) Click, 2) Drag
01:25<bubchi89>So you learn two things, and you can do a billion things in a billion different UIs
01:26<bubchi89>It has a low learning curve, but it's slower at doing almost each of those different jobs
01:26<bubchi89>every one of those*
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01:27<toothpick>You are right in those specific cases. Resizing is just one example where a keyboard will work fine so I agree with you. But there have been thesis done in HCI labs where absolute pointing device has a case of its own. For instance in various areas of 3D object manipulation, various architects use specially designed mouse for that. Keyboard just won't do the job. Avoiding the usual mistake of "When you have a hammer, then everything
01:27<toothpick> looks like a nail".
01:27<toothpick>it works for 99% of the tasks that _you_ do :)
01:28<bubchi89>Yeah of course
01:28<bubchi89>I'm not advocating that everyone use a mouse... but I would say the vast majority of people aren't architects :P
01:28<toothpick>fair enough
01:28<bubchi89>But the obvious counter-argument is, the vast majority of people won't benefit from these micro-efficiencies and heavily appreciate the low learning curve of the mouse
01:29<bubchi89>I told my friend all of these silly things I've memorized for my keyboard (I also use vimperator/pentadactyl in firefox) and he was like "bubchi89, all of those things you described take like 2 seconds with a mouse"
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01:29<toothpick>lol
01:29<bubchi89>And I was like "yeah... but you do all of them like 500 times a day. So it adds up" haha. I think we agreed to disagree there :P
01:29<toothpick>right. Agreeing to disagree is fine. He has different requirements.
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01:58<MadCamel>silly question.. If I've written a working patch for a nic driver that's buggy on some platforms and the kernel maintainers won't accept it upstream due to mostly political reasons.. is there any chance of getting it included in wheezy as a bugfix?
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02:01<bubchi89>I have no idea, but I'm interested in what these political reasons are
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02:03<MadCamel>intel's driver team keeps trying to bounce it over to the people who handle chipset quirks, the people who handle chipset quirks keep trying to bounce it back to intel's driver people. nobody wants to be pragmatic and get a bug that's been around for 3 years fixed.
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02:05<bubchi89>just curious, but if it's intel's NIC driver would that mean it's a package in the non-free/contrib sections?
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02:05<SamB>bubchi89: what makes you think intel doesn't maintain anything in-kernel?
02:05<MadCamel>not being much of a kernel developer I don't really know how to handle that sort of thing. Nah it's in main, it's the e1000 driver.
02:06<SamB>MadCamel: did you report the bug against Debian's kernel yet?
02:06<bubchi89>I honestly have a hard time imaging large companies employing people to work on free software I guess. I know it happens, just not sure why. I guess intel does want to support linux
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02:07<MadCamel>SamB: Should I?
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02:08<avnish>iam using ubuntu 12.0 but i could not hear sound from speaker why?
02:08<SamB>MadCamel: well if you've seen it with a Debian kernel, yes
02:08<SamB>!ubuntu
02:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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02:09<MadCamel>ok I'll give it a shot. I just wasn't sure if it was appropriate :)
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02:11<SamB>I mean maybe the Debian maintainer(s) is/are better at navigating kernel politics?
02:12<MadCamel>good point
02:12<SamB>(Obviously include your patch ...)
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02:21<Hatter>after compiling a module for the R8111 nic, then updating initramfs, now I cannot bring up a network without doing this : ifconfig eth1 down, ifconfig eth1 up
02:21<Hatter>I get : RNETLINK answers: file exists
02:22<Hatter>any clues what this is all about ?
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02:25<Hatter>also the r8169 card stopped being detected in udev
02:26<MadCamel>that's an out of tree driver right? Hmm.. Not much to do there. If it doesn't come up properly with ifup maybe you could try to workaround by putting "pre-up ifconig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up" in interfaces, or something..
02:28<MadCamel>or see if it's officially supported in any newer kernel packages
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02:32<Hatter>mdcamel, yeah something like this should work, however I have removed it now and back to the mainboard nic but the initramfs must still be trying to add the module somewhere
02:32<Hatter>how would i get rid of it ?
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02:37<SamB>does mkinitramfs not kick in when you remove something it was installing on the ramdisk?
02:38<SamB>Hatter: maybe run update-initramfs ?
02:38<Hatter>I have tried a few times, but something in the networking is still broken
02:38<Hatter>no reference to the new module anywere that I can find
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02:39<vlt>Hello. I get an error from a program (dvswitch) on Debian 7.1 (amd64): "ERROR: No Xv adaptor for this display supports YUY2 format" Is there a mackage missing for xserver?
02:39<SamB>hmm, "update-initramfs -u" I guess ...
02:39<Hatter>samB, yep this is what I have done
02:39<SamB>Hatter: no idea then
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02:40<SamB>vlt: what driver are you using?
02:40<Hatter>it was a r8169
02:40<Hatter>i downloaded the drivers for it r8168
02:40<Hatter>blacklisted the 8169
02:41<Hatter>rebooted then networking problem, so I removed the card, re-enabled the onboard nic
02:41<Hatter>updated the initramfs
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02:41<SamB>vlt: also "xvinfo" will tell you stuff about what your driver/card does support
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03:27<vlt>SamB: Thank you.
03:27<vlt>I tried on another hardware (meanwhile).
03:28<vlt>I get nearly the same behaviour (except for the xv msg).
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03:31<ganeshredcobra>does editing alsa.conf can generate a dev node
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04:43<lord_rob>Hi! I've rebuilt the package "pan" from its original debian source (apt-get source) to change a parameter, then I install my custom package to replace the default "pan" in the archive. Question is: how can I prevent my custom package to be overwritten by the default one when I upgrade again (I know pin) but how can I pin until a new version comes into main ?
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04:44<otak>EmleyMoor: if a user program, you can start screen detached in crontab: @reboot sleep 60 && screen -d -m -S modem -c ~/.screen_modem
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04:46<otak>In ~/.screen_modem put screen -t modem <your t38modem command>, then you can attach anytime with screen -r modem
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04:48<toothpick>when selecting poweroff (gdm3) under wheezy, clicking on cancel brings the prompt one more time. Any ideas anyone?
04:48<toothpick>!lte
04:48<toothpick>!dpkg
04:48<dpkg>from memory, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
04:48<toothpick>!dpkgbot
04:48<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
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04:53<Depa>Hi :)
04:53<Depa>I have a problem with X2Go
04:54<Depa>can I ask you?
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04:55<musca>Depa: at least the client is packaged in debian, so yes :)
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04:56<Depa>XDXD
04:56<Depa>ok...
04:56<Depa>I have a PC that runs X2Go server
04:56<Depa>(X is not running; use LXDE)
04:56<Depa>and another PC has X2Goclient
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04:57<Depa>I can connect the client to the server
04:57<EmleyMoor>otak: Thanks - was semi-aware that could be done. As it is, I've got it properly into the "services" (init.d scripts) now...
04:57<Depa>but I can see only a blank desktop...
04:57<Depa>the menu bar is not showed
04:57<Depa>(but lxpanel is running on the server)
04:57<Depa>...
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04:59<Depa>do you understand me?
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05:00<Depa>I would like to use X2Go like TeamViewer
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05:09<Depa>nobody can help me?
05:10<otak>Depa: maybe if you wait a while someone will arrive who has experience with this software
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05:11<Depa>ok :)
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05:17<Depa>I'm trying to install task-lxde-desktop on the server...
05:17<Depa>and a lot of things will be now installed
05:17<Depa>maybe is this the problem? in your opinion...
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05:33<cibegtd>hi
05:34<cibegtd>i've got an question about a makefile. where can i ask my question?
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05:40<Calinou>ask it here
05:42<cibegtd>Calinou: i've made a makefile which rebuilds unchanged programmes as well. i can't find the problem. http://paste.debian.net/35888/
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05:55<sascha>hello. where and how can I find a debian IRC channel in german language ?
05:55<roughnecks>!de
05:55<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
05:56<sascha>many thanks
05:56<roughnecks>yw
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06:02<main>hallo
06:03<main>can anyone tell me how to bypass a password
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06:03<main>a friend was gonna chuck his laptop away and i said id try and fix it forst
06:04<main>so can someone help
06:04<bhuddah>main: what sort of password?
06:04<main>the password to the username
06:04<main>this*
06:05<bhuddah>does it run debian?
06:05<main>yea i think
06:06<main>its on ubuntu studio
06:06<bhuddah>main: try something similar to this: http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Debian_reset_root_password
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06:08<SynrG>main: ubuntu studio is not debian. please seek further support on #ubuntu @ irc.freenode.net, thanks
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06:09<main>it must be its got synaptic
06:09<SynrG>!based on debian
06:09<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
06:11<main>right so the programs are debian but not the operating system
06:11<main>ok fair enough
06:11<main>what desktop is it
06:11<main>then
06:11<SynrG>The official Ubuntu Studio IRC channel, #ubuntustudio, is at irc.freenode.net.
06:12<SynrG>according to: http://ubuntustudio.org/support/
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06:14<Gentleman>can anyone connect to freenode?
06:14<roughnecks>i'm on it
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06:15<Gentleman>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
06:15<Gentleman>really?
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06:15<roughnecks>really
06:15<Gentleman>I've been trying to connect for the best part of the day
06:16<Gentleman>no success
06:16<Gentleman>whatsoever
06:16<Gentleman>I am dying here
06:16<peter1138>Works for me.
06:16<SynrG>off topic
06:16<Gentleman>SynrG?
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06:16<Gentleman>how bout you take that spoon out your sphincter
06:16<Gentleman>?
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06:17<SynrG>how about you respect the rules
06:17<Gentleman>how about no?
06:17<Gentleman>how about your mom?
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06:34<DrZaius>how can i see the default of install-recommends? apt-config dump |grep -i recom shows nothing...
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06:34<DrZaius>i looked in the man for apt.conf apt-config apt_preferences
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06:35<DrZaius>nothing relevant :/
06:36<themill>DrZaius: the default is "yes!
06:36<themill>"
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07:47<DrZaius>themill: where could i find the defaults?
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08:15<Guidion_Dyana>VB: 3818JN 1, Van Rijckevorsel. Deze klant had vorige week de 28e een afspraak voor NTU wissel. Nu heeft de klant een nieuw modem van jullie gehad maar het lukt niet om hem om te wisselen. Kan er een nieuw ticket ingeschoten worden, zodat er weer een expert naartoe kan?
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08:24<Pinkyz0r>i have obviously spent too much time in *buntu. i want to find out what my local IP is. normally i'd use "ifconfig" in the terminal, but debian tells me it doesnt exist?
08:25<nocturnal>ip addr show
08:25<Pinkyz0r>thanks
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08:29<otak>ifconfig is usually in /sbin/
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08:31<nocturnal>but new standard is ip(8), get used to it
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08:31<zathras>Hi. I am using a Debian Live CD (Sid) to repair a PC. The PC has 5 disks. WHen chrooting into the LVM (Wheezy) and running update-grub or an other tool I can install/update grub on 4 of the 5 disks. However the result is that I cannot boot from 3 disks. (No system found). One gives a code like it cannot get proper packets(!)? and one gives me an old Squeeze grub install without entries.
08:31<zathras>what can be the cause of this and how might I fix this please?
08:31<zathras><zathras> I was a
08:31<zathras>I was assuming that if grub does not complain it is installed on disks and I should be able to boot from any one of them
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08:41<DrZaius>Pinkyz0r: in ubuntu ifconfig does ifconfig -a
08:42<Pinkyz0r>yes i know
08:42<DrZaius>in debian you have to use ifconfig -a because it only shows active interfaces otherwise
08:42<Pinkyz0r>it wasn't the flag that was the problem
08:43<DrZaius>oh yeah, i change path to add /sbin and /usr/sbin as the first thing after an installation
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08:44<DrZaius>anyway, i use 'ip a' instead of ifconfig
08:44<DrZaius>its shorter :p
08:44<Pinkyz0r>that's neat :)
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08:44<Pinkyz0r>thanks for the tip
08:45<DrZaius>i miss the old outputs tho
08:45<DrZaius>ifconfig and route -n
08:45<DrZaius>ip r is not the same
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08:45<DrZaius>same info is there but more cluttered somehow
08:46<bhuddah>you can always rely on netstat i think
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08:53<Depa>hi :) I need your help
08:53<Depa>for X2Go....
08:53<Depa>can anyone help me? :)
08:53<zathras>Depa, be more specific
08:54<musca>!x2go
08:54<dpkg>x2go is an open source terminal server project using the NX protocol (not compatible with other NX servers and clients). Not in Debian, <ITP> filed as bug #465821. http://wiki.x2go.org/ http://www.x2go.org/
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09:25<Guest5714>hi..
09:25<Maulkin>!ask
09:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:26<Guest5714>hi..
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09:45<grummund>Hi, How can i tell ps to increase column width using spaces instead of underscores? :-
09:45<grummund>ps -o 'comm=Command,ppid=___PPID,pid=____PID' -C bash
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10:14<trico>how do i get a usb dvi adapter to work? lsusb shows it as Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0711:5100 Magic Control Technology Corp. Magic Control Technology Corp. (USB2VGA dongle)
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10:17<peter1138>Something about DisplayLink, but I don't know anything else.
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10:18<peter1138>Doesn't seem to be a plug and play solution available at the moment.
10:18<trico>i already have a monitor hooked up on displaylink->dvi adapter. if thats the case, what else am i missing?
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10:20<inkbottle>Hi, for months I've regularly those sort of notification about sound device (kde/hda intel): "multimedia system... falling back to...": It makes me think like the device has a dynamic address attributed, and it doesn't find it where it thinks it should be...
10:20<inkbottle>It's not a real pain just a bit bothering
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10:20<Buzzer>I just installed Debian as a second OS in legacy mode on my UEFI Windows 8 system, but I can't even get to grub (goes straight to the win8 bootloader). Any ideas how I can get it to boot?
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10:24<trico>i was hoping it would be plug and play-ish, but i guess not. ill have to come back to this when i have more time
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10:37<inkbottle>I think I've found a clue: aplay -L gives a null device as first device, and kde would try to use it as first choice, before falling back to another choice. And it emits a notification about that
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10:38<inkbottle>At least it gives me something to work on to try and find a solution (in the future)
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10:41<SynrG>!ops ouzel until he/she gets his/her client fixed
10:41<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: synrg complains about: ouzel until he/she gets his/her client fixed
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10:46-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
10:46-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@14.139.225.181] by themill
10:46-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
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10:49<wompa>themill, the last two quadruplets in the hostpart varies
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11:03<abrotman>SynrG: then it stopped?
11:03<abrotman>oh .. i see, nevermind
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11:36<SynrG>themill: ouzel seems to cycle between .181, .182 and .183 and back again, so we've solved 1/3 of the problem :) but thanks anyway, it is greatly reduced.
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11:43<Maulkin>Shout again if it becomes annoying
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12:47<Gnan>Hello !!
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12:48<Gnan>I have installed debian lenny Debian 3.2.46-1+deb7u1
12:48<Gnan>and I have problem with my wifi drivers missing
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12:49<retrospectacus>Gnan: Lenny has not been supported for years
12:49<Gnan>lshw shows that the wifi is us *-network UNCLAIMED
12:49<Gnan> description: Network controller
12:49<Gnan> product: BCM43225 802.11b/g/n
12:49<Gnan> vendor: Broadcom Corporation
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12:52<vamshi_>retrospectacus, Im sorry im running deb7
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12:57<retrospectacus>Gnan: you need to enable <non-free> and install firmware-brcm80211
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12:58<Gnan>retrospectacus, got disconnected should have used pastebin :)
12:59<Gnan>retrospectacus, sure
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13:05<john>Hi anyone any idea why iceweasel on debian livedvd logs me out and requests new login
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13:11<mrvn>Anyone ever bought a Kindle ebook on Amazon under Debian?
13:11<mtn>mrvn: more details please, not sure that makes sense
13:11<timothyarnold>john: if the computer goes into standby on the live DVD, it thinks you logged out.
13:12<mrvn>mtn: I want to buy a book and read it under Debian.
13:12<mtn>mrvn: ah, so you are actually looking for an ebook reader?
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13:12<mrvn>mtn: one that amazon accepts as recipient.
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13:13<jp->have you tried the kindle cloud reader?
13:13<mtn>mrvn: now I am lost again. you want amazon to deliver the book to debian?
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13:13<jp->it's a web based solution from amazon to reading kindle ebooks.
13:13<mrvn>mtn: No. Amazon won't let me download the book. Only a kindle (hardware or software) reader can.
13:14<mrvn>jp-: Will that let me save the book to e.g. my Poketbook ereader?
13:14<mtn>mrvn: if that is the way they do it, I doubt you can fool them ;)
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13:14<jp->I doubt it. Amazon's ebooks are DRM'd I'm sure.
13:14<jp->you can't just copy them to arbitrary devices and read them, if that's what you want then shop somewhere besides kindle.
13:15<mrvn>jp-: calibre should be able to handle the DRM as far as I've read. But you have to have the file first.
13:15<mtn>mrvn: best advise is to ask amazon
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13:16<mrvn>I was hoping maybe someone managed to run the kindle reader under wine or something.
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13:17<jp->not sure what's wrong with the cloud based service, it syncs with all of your other kindle-enabled devices.
13:17<mrvn>jp-: I don't have a kindle-enabled device
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13:17<jp->Go to read.amazon.com and try it out.
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13:19<mrvn>jp-: The biggest problem with the cloud reader is that it is online. I kind of like to read my books on the train without internet.
13:19<jp->It uses offline storage if your browser supports it.
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13:19<mtn>mrvn: I know a solution. buy a used kindle!
13:20<mrvn>jp-: now that is interesting.
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13:20<jp->http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_rel_topic?ie=UTF8&nodeId=201255020
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13:29<mrvn>jp-: ARRRGGGSSS, read.amazon.com doesn't work because being from germany I can't buy any ebooks on amazon.com.
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13:30<mrvn>do they have to make it 100 times harder to buy a book than to pirate one?
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13:38<Gnan>Hello All, Has any one here installed VM-workstation 9 on wheezy?
13:38<Gnan>I need some help to get mine started
13:38<mrvn>jp-: have you used the could reader without owning any kindle device?
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13:40<Gnan>It prompts that it needs several modules complied and loaded into the running kernel
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13:42<Gnan>I have found this.. https://wiki.debian.org/VMware#VMware_Player_5_and_VMware_Workstation_9
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13:46<Gnan>can any one help me setting up vmware-workstation
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13:49<mshuler>Gnan: it's not supported.. but be specific: what step are you on in the document, what error you are getting, etc - use http://paste.debian.net/ and paste the link
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13:50<mshuler>and if you are just trying to set up virtual machines, just 'apt-get install virtualbox' :)
13:51<Gnan>I was able to install wmware-workstation9 from cli
13:51<Gnan>but when i start it it prompts up a window
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13:52<Gnan>asking me to Load compile some modules and load 'em into the running kernel
13:52<Gnan>I have a screenshot of it..
13:53<Gnan>unable to copy the text off it
13:53<mshuler>find an image pastebin, I suppose..
13:53<Gnan>ok
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13:55<Gnan>mshuler, here is the image: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_vmware_module_update-L7TeQasi.png
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13:57<mshuler>Gnan: 'apt-get install linux-headers-XXX' where XXX is your machine arch: i386, amd64
13:59<mshuler>ah, amd64 :) 'apt-get install linux-headers-amd64'
13:59<Gnan>mshuler, ok.. yes mine is 64bit
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14:01<Gnan>do i need to add any source urls?
14:01<Gnan>nvm
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14:14<Gnan>hmm.. some thing wrong
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14:15<jp->mrvn, yes, I have
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14:16<Gnan>it again prompts but with an install button.. and asks for root passwd
14:16<Gnan>when i enter the root pw
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14:16<Gnan>says that its invalid!! ?
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14:17<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Gnan about vmware support
14:17<Gnan>cant find any errors under vmware logs
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14:17<Gnan>any way thanks guys..
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14:30<zerick>Hi guys, is python 2.7 officially ported to Debian 6.0 ?
14:31<coldtobi>Is there debhelper support for qmake?
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14:32<coldtobi>(srry, I wrong channel, wanted d-mentors)
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14:33<retrospectacus>zerick: no
14:33<bigjust>zerick: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages (the answer is yes, btw)
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14:33<bigjust>retrospectacus: ?
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14:33<retrospectacus>,v python2.7
14:33<judd>Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-6; jessie: 2.7.5-5; sid: 2.7.5-7
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14:34<zerick>,v python
14:34<judd>Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4; jessie: 2.7.5-4; sid: 2.7.5-4
14:34<retrospectacus>he wants it for squueze - no 2.7 there
14:34<bigjust>oh, i never remember the release numbers well
14:34<zerick>yes
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14:36<retrospectacus>zerick: time to upgrade
14:36<zerick>retrospectacus, time to :)
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14:45<Gnan>Hello, Atlast got workstation to start.. just wanted to say thanks..!
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16:32<N580-N00b>is there a way to surgically remove a package without removing a single one of the 40+ dependencies?
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16:36<plugwash>dpkg has the --force-depends option which will let you do that
16:36<dpkg>plugwash: I don't know, could you explain it?
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16:36<plugwash>however note that apt will basically refuse to do anything if the system has packages installed with broken dependencies
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16:37<plugwash>so it's only really useful as a temporary thing in the middle of sorting things out
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16:37<plugwash>you can also manually edit /var/lib/dpkg/status to remove dependencies from packages but I wouldn't really reccomend that
16:38<N580-N00b>i installed xmms and the install all plugins package. i want to remove the flash plugin for xmms and keep the rest of the plugins. when i use apper to remove the flas plugin, it demands i remove all the other plugins too or cancel and live with flash
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16:40<N580-N00b>so dpkg remove --force-depends xmms2-plugin-flv?
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16:40<plugwash>you probablly don't need to get that agressive in this case
16:41<N580-N00b>i'm all eyes
16:41<plugwash>"apt-get remove xmms2-plugin-flv" followed by "aptitude keep-all" should do it
16:42<N580-N00b>the first command removes all of them tho
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16:43<plugwash>hmm, it shouldn't, post the output
16:44<N580-N00b>i reversed the order and it worked
16:45<N580-N00b>i did aptitude keep-all first
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16:46<N580-N00b>apper was *serious* about removing everything with no option to choose what to keep.
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16:47<N580-N00b>a minor update to the apper gui to make it possible to choose a few things during install and removal would be nice
16:47*plugwash has never heard of apper
16:47<N580-N00b>apper is the gui (under kde) for apt
16:47<N580-N00b>in debian
16:48<N580-N00b>it's in the kmenu
16:48<N580-N00b>default kde install kmenu gui
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16:48*plugwash has never really used kde much but I tend to pick the best apps from either side of the fence
16:48<N580-N00b>thanks for the help
16:48<plugwash>and afaict synaptic is the best GIUI package management tool in debian
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16:50<N580-N00b>i just installed synaptic
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16:54<N580-N00b>well it is better in some ways but could use some of appers features too
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16:54<N580-N00b>i gtg, thanks again
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17:02<vlt>Hello. A program (dvswitch) on Debian 7.1 is desperately missing something with xv (and I420). Can I install an xserver pkg to solve that?
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17:03<vlt>How to find out which video driver I'm using?
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17:05<N580-N00b>sorry , yeah back so soon :/
17:07<N580-N00b>i remember (like from a decade ago) xmms2 having a very advanced graphical front end with equalizer and all kinds of nifty stuff. what's the package for that?
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17:08<N580-N00b>gxmms2 can't be it. it's just a few simple buttons
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17:10<lostatwork>well there is esperanza or abraca and even promoe
17:11<N580-N00b>*that*'s why i couldn't find them!
17:11<lostatwork>or check this page N580-N00b https://xmms2.org/wiki/Clients
17:11<N580-N00b>thanks
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17:55<Pantho>Holo, I'm trying to chroot a user and running into an issue "refusing to allocate pty"
17:55<Pantho>all my googling seems to revolve around virtual machine systems having this issue and are little help.
17:55<Pantho>Anyone able to assit?
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17:56<Ryccardo>never had that problem myself, but I read that a different error is solved by binding the real /dev/pts to the fake one
17:56<Pantho>would that cause any security issue?
17:56<Pantho>I half trust the person I'm chrooting but never be to careful.
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17:58<Ryccardo>no idea, sorry
17:59<Pantho>Alright, not specially knowledgable on linux. Would binding via ln be sufficient?
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18:01<gotwig>quick question, any idea how I can convert my control.in file to a control file only? deb packaging
18:01<Ryccardo>unlikely as symlinks are processed from inside (and it would try to access a level above /) -- you can put "/dev/pts /.../dev/pts none bind 0 0" in fstab then `mount -a` or use the direct mount command
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18:03<Pantho>K, trying that now.
18:04<Pantho>Looking at a fair few debian help threads people suggest using /sbin/MAKEDEV command
18:04<Pantho>but I see no MAKEDEV inside sbin, any idea what they're refering to?
18:06<Ryccardo>it's under /dev and I actually never figured it out
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18:08<retrospectacus> /dev/MAKEDEV -> /sbin/MAKEDEV
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18:10<Ryccardo>just checked and on a fully updated Sid, it's even more of a joke -- links to /bin/true
18:11<retrospectacus>0.o
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18:14<Pantho>Why in gods name did I try to do this on the only flippin box I don't have KVM access to
18:14<Pantho>fairly sure I just broke all shh access to it
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18:19<Pantho>Anyone know a way of fixing this with SHFTP access only? drp565352
18:20<Pantho>wrong link, i silly.
18:20<Pantho>http://bybservers.co.uk/sharex/pantho/us1.bybservers.co.uk_-_PuTTY_2013-09-06_23-15-48.png
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18:21<Ryccardo>you can still push noninteractive commands through ssh, try to umount that folder
18:21<Ryccardo>(the chrooted one)
18:21<Pantho>I removed the chrooted folder, that's when it nuked.
18:21<Pantho>decided to try again.
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18:22<Ryccardo>wait
18:22<Ryccardo>as in with rm?
18:22<Pantho>yes.
18:22<Pantho>though wouldn't unmounting be interactive since it will request sudo password.
18:23<kdsebastian27>gud morning every1
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18:23<Ryccardo>ah, right
18:24<kdsebastian27>anyone using solydxk?
18:24<kdsebastian27>solydk i mean
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18:30<Pantho>wow sftp failed as well, suprised that broke.
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18:31<Pantho>Anyone know the chances of a power cycle fixing this issue, of screwing up the pty.
18:31<Pantho>im guessing slim.
18:32<Ryccardo>nah
18:32<Ryccardo>it's a virtual filesystem
18:32<Pantho>No idea how I screwed up the norm dev/pts though
18:33<mc68040>hmmm... especially bcs it is a virtual file system a reboot can halp bcs /dev/pts will be mounted again then... or?
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18:34<mc68040>s/halp/help/
18:34<Pantho>can or cant?
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18:34<mc68040>Pantho: "can", but if you wait i test in a kvm...
18:35<Ryccardo>Pantho: when you bind, the target folder becomes exactly the source one -- it's not a link
18:35<Pantho>so I actually removed the real ones?
18:35<Pantho>by removing the folder above it
18:35<Ryccardo>ye
18:35<Ryccardo>p
18:35<Pantho>damn im smart...
18:35<Pantho>if sftp still worked I could fix it, but it fails authentication now
18:36<Pantho>and I can't access root directy any other way, so guess a hands on technican will be needed.
18:36<Ryccardo>there's no reset button or something in your account pages at the hoster's site?
18:37<Pantho>Na, this is a deciated server
18:37<Pantho>without such luxory features.
18:37<mc68040>Pantho: what was the exact command how you removed?
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18:37<Pantho>mounted to chroot/testd/dvs
18:37<Pantho>dev*
18:38<Pantho>when starting again I removed chroot/testd with rm -r chroot/testd
18:38<TCW>http://paste.debian.net/36211/ <- I have a usb stick where I want to add some ISOs to it. How should that be done? This is my first try, it shows in the grub menu of the stick while booting, but when tried to start it it complains about it would not be a correct file and I should load a kernel first...
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18:40<mc68040>Pantho: and how you mounted dev (or dev/pts) in chroot/...?
18:40<Pantho>yes
18:40<Pantho>how, errr
18:40<mshuler>Pantho: if you use sudo, you can do things like 'echo $PASSWS | ssh me@host.name sudo ls'
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18:40<Pantho>mount -o bind /dev /chroot/testd
18:41<Ryccardo>o.o
18:42<Ryccardo>you should have used `mount -o bind /dev/pts /chroot/testd/dev/pts`
18:42<Pantho>So it seems,
18:42<Pantho>sorry mshuler not sure I understand you're meaning, you mean in the broken putty screen to issue a sudo cmd?
18:42<mshuler>oh putty.. good luck with that
18:43<devil>:)
18:43<Pantho>well, last time I used telnet was over a decade ago to fondle quakenet while in class ...
18:43<mc68040>Pantho: ok - did it - after reboot /dev is populated again and in /dev/pts ptmx exists...
18:44<Pantho>hmmm mc68040, k I'll try
18:44<mshuler>Pantho: I'm just talking about piping your password to an ssh sudo command, non-interactively, since you can't .. interact
18:44<mshuler>but you need a real shell, first
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18:44<mc68040>Pantho: and i can ssh into box again...
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18:44<nadir>you could always boot a live cd to get a real shell (compared to putty)
18:45<Pantho>Hmmm, guess I'll try mc68040
18:45<nadir>but if you can reboot just do that
18:45<mshuler>udev does have it's advantages :)
18:45<mc68040>and devpts too :P
18:45<Pantho>I'll try, worst case scenario is offline for the weekdn I guess.
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18:46<mshuler>heh, yeah. that. :)
18:46<Ryccardo>mshuler: I remember the days of /dev/ttyp1, heh
18:46<mshuler>me too
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18:46<nadir>if i rsync my shit to make a working backup i exclude dev, as it gets populated during boot, i could swear
18:46<Pantho>I remember the days when I wasn't stupid enough to try new things on the only box I don't have a kvm on...
18:47<mshuler>I hadn't noticed that /dev/MAKEDEV -> /bin/true - that's brilliant.
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18:48<Pantho><3 mc68040
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18:48<Pantho>thank you for confirming it
18:48<Pantho>It has indeed repopulated
18:48<mc68040>Pantho: you're welcome
18:48<Pantho>and I shall go take my stupid testing to the eu services that have kvm.
18:48<s2r>Would anyone be upset if I asked a help related question?
18:49<mshuler>don't ask to ask, just ask..
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18:49<Pantho>Would you mind if I asked if asking to ask a question annoyed you?
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18:50<retrospectacus>would asking to ask whether anyone would be upset if I asked a help related question annoy me?
18:50<retrospectacus>yes
18:51<Pantho>Answering you're own question is a sign of senility. Be cautious.
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18:51<mshuler>arguing, perhaps
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18:51<s2r>Well I haven't used a computer in around a year. So when I decided to go back to school one was offered to me as a part of the program. Anyway it was very locked down so I decided to put Linux on it. Well I could not get my debian USB to boot correctly and I could not write a new CD. So I installed an older version of debian I had on a disk lying around. Is this going to cause problems?
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18:52<Ryccardo>well, if you have time you could dist-upgrade by one release step by step
18:53<Ryccardo>or risk and jump to sid/jessie/whatever
18:53<mc68040>s2r: from security point: squeeze is still supported, older versions not
18:53<s2r>How do I use dist-upgrade?
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18:54<mshuler>s2r: before your start - what version are you running?
18:54<mc68040>s2r: the process is described in the releasenotes -> debian.org
18:54<s2r>I'm not sure. Is there a way to check? I believe it's 6. something
18:55<mshuler>what's one of the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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18:55<Ryccardo>edit /etc/apt/sources.list for the next version, then apt-get update, apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude tar bzip2 (to avoid being stuck with new packages that dpkg can't read), aptitude dist-upgrade
18:55<nadir>cat /etc/debian_version
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18:55<s2r>6.0.7
18:55<nadir>often changing sources, apt-get update, apt-get upgrad, apt-get dist-upgrade is working without further reading
18:56<nadir>ok: for me
18:56<retrospectacus>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
18:56<dpkg>Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>.
18:56<mshuler>cool - that's squeeze
18:56<mc68040>s2r: this ist current squeeze version
18:56<s2r>Yes, I'm aware.
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18:56<s2r>It was my only option.
18:56<mc68040>s2r: i recommend to read the wheezy releasenotes - the upgrade process is there described in detail
18:57<s2r>Thank you. I will
18:57<retrospectacus>Pantho: I may be going senile, but at least I'm not going senile
18:57<retrospectacus>also, correct grammar is the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit
18:57<Pantho>I know I'm shit tyvm.
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18:57<s2r>Funny.
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18:58<Pantho>I'm perfectly capable of seeing grammar mistakes in words written by others, just not myself. It's a flaw I fear.
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18:59<retrospectacus>:)
18:59*mc68040 has a bad grammar... but english isn't my native language ;)
19:00<Pantho>Most people who speak english (if fluent) as a second language have vastly superiour grammar than those born in England.
19:00<Pantho>Actually, most frogs have better grammar than those born around me :(
19:00<mshuler>I wish I had even questionable grammer in another language..
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19:00<devil>heh
19:00<mshuler>grammar, even..
19:01<mshuler>see? sigh..
19:01<devil>americans are often limited to one language only
19:01<nadir>not to speak of grandma
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19:02<Pantho>hmmm, Sie haben freche grammatik.
19:02<mshuler>I know some random spanish, but I'm not fluent in any way, so yeah, I resemble that remark, devil
19:02<mc68040>shall we continue in #debian-offtopic before an op becomes angry? :)
19:02<Pantho>They're now I sound retarded in 2 languages.
19:02<Pantho>;)
19:02<devil>grandma has grammar? take her to the doctor ;)
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19:06<Pantho>So, another nub query. How should I unmount these files rather than removing them.
19:06<Pantho>since they remounted upon repopulating.
19:06<nadir>Pantho: what did remount and how?
19:07<nadir>the chroot mounts?
19:07<Pantho>yes.
19:07<Pantho>folder layout in notification.
19:07<Pantho>query* i sent you.
19:08<Pantho>But yea, the folder reappear as /dev/pts repopulated.
19:08<Pantho>reappred*
19:08<Pantho>... bah
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19:09<Pantho>umount, not unmount
19:10<nadir>And a usual umount doesn't work?
19:10<Pantho>it does, couldn't find the command and was trying unmount.
19:10<Pantho>idiocy I guess.
19:11<s2r>After a long read. I'm sitting with this: -- Per Olofsson <pelle@debian.org> Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:23:18 +0200
19:12<s2r>and it just say's (END)
19:12<nadir>No. If i can't remember a command i often do "man <related-command> and that gives the command in the other man pages listed, usually at the bottom
19:12<s2r>Do I just open a new window and continue?
19:13<s2r>Ok nevermind. I pressed something and my upgrade continued..
19:13<nadir>oh, or "propos", in this case "apropos mount"
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19:19<s2r>Thanks for the help guy's. You don't know how much I appreciate it(So glad to be back using Linux).
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19:23<retrospectacus>s2r: good luck and have fun!
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19:25<malus>!list
19:25<dpkg>malus: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
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19:28<Ryccardo>wtf
19:29<retrospectacus>ignore that
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19:32<Ryccardo>nah
19:32<Ryccardo>I hope it's open source as that's a flagrant mistranslation
19:33<nadir>what is a mistranslation?
19:34<Ryccardo>what dp\kg just said
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19:34<army>yes, but what is the translation?
19:35<Ryccardo>well, if I could find the original English sentence I'll probably be able to post a better translation
19:35<army>what does it say now?
19:36<s2r>How do I do this: "You may need to reconfigure the package manager to include the contrib and non-free sections of the │
19:36<s2r> │ package archive before you can install these firmware files",And do I need to do this?
19:36<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell s2r about contrib
19:36<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell s2r about non-free
19:37<retrospectacus>s2r: probably, if you want (whatever device that message is talking about) to work
19:37<Ryccardo>army: "Debian is an OS made of free software, not the free one [...]" (the first one as in freedom and the second as in beer, but it's saying that the first type is male and the second female)
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19:38<s2r>This is what it say's I need it for. "tg3: tigon/tg3_tso5.bin, tigon/tg3_tso.bin, tigon/tg3.bin " I don't know what it is.
19:38<retrospectacus>Ryccardo: not sure there is an "original English sentence" but if you /msg me a better sentence I can update the robot
19:38<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell s2r about tg3
19:38<retrospectacus>s2r: it would allow some certain functionality of your Ethernet adapter
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19:39<army>Ryccardo: it may have a point ;-) but it may than be an incorrect translation
19:41<s2r>I was going to search how to add contrib and non free packages but once I type one letter into the search bar I get a garbled error message. How do I add these?
19:41<Pantho>Do you have to create the user inside the chroot or just the user (who is using ssh to chroot) directory?
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19:42<retrospectacus>s2r: the robot told you (in a new window or tab)
19:42<nadir>Pantho: what do you want the chroot for?
19:42<Pantho>fun, games, life and a bit of pie.
19:42<s2r>Sorry I actually just noticed that. My bad.
19:42<nadir>i usually just chroot and do what i need to do, then exit. If you need a user you will need to create him
19:42<Pantho>Just half testing, deciding between a vm and a chrooted area for a user to have access to.
19:43<nadir>You could also look at xnest in that case. Funny stuff
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19:43<nadir>But i guess a VM is really more easy/comfortable
19:43<Pantho>I've setup ssh to autoload into a chroot but the wiki I was reading claimed you just needed the directory not the user account.
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19:43<nadir>Correct me if i am wrong, but if you chroot you will be root. No?
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19:47<s2r>I opened another terminal window to put in the command but: "*** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap'
19:47<s2r>" I'm assuming I will have to put the command in the terminal window that is currently upgrading then just run upgrade again once I add the other package types?
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19:49<Ryccardo>you'll also have to update first
19:49<Ryccardo>(after adding or removing sources)
19:49<retrospectacus>do one apt-related thing at a time (especially if the thing is "upgrading")
19:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 602] by debhelper
19:51<s2r>Exactly what I did thanks.
19:52<s2r>I did it but it added nothing. Hmm
19:52<Ryccardo>if you use the aptitude UI you'll now see subcategories
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19:52<Ryccardo>like kernel/contrib
19:53<s2r>oh I have been only using apt.
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19:53<Ryccardo>but yeah, it doesn't install anything by itself (unless you had broken depends or something)
19:53<s2r>That came out wrong.
19:53<s2r>Alright I'll try it.
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19:55<s2r>Reboot time.
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19:56<nadir>reboot?
19:56<nadir>let me reboot too ...
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20:05<s2r>I'm back everything worked fine. But I'm trying to get my wifi to work. So I ran iwconfig: lo= no wireless extension & eth0=no wireless extensions
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20:06<army>and wlan0?
20:06<s2r>That didn't show up as a result.
20:06<retrospectacus>s2r: what does "lspci -nn" say regarding a wifi device? (paste the *one* line which says WiFi here)
20:07<Ryccardo>it probably didn't load the module
20:07<s2r>I cannot seem to locate it. I'ts quite a mess.
20:07<retrospectacus>wifi chips often require non-free firmware to work. the lspci line will tell us which
20:07<retrospectacus>s2r: put the whole thing on http://paste.debian.net
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20:08*Ryccardo who knows what sane reason do they have to restrict firmware distribution
20:09<retrospectacus>greed, almost certainly
20:09<s2r>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1d14de34/
20:09<retrospectacus>it is 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4359]
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20:10<army>Ryccardo: time to market. OpenBSD had a nice talk/presentation about it a couple of years ago
20:10<Ryccardo>retrospectacus: nah, they have already sold you the card by then, and for avoiding clones there are patents (they probably want to cheat and claim the DMCA because that's faster)
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20:10<retrospectacus>s2r: http://wiki.debian.org/wl
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20:11<Pantho>well, progress kinda.
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20:11<Pantho>The chroot works but im trying to ssh into it still, the ssh session just closes soon as it finishes the authentication now
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20:11<Pantho>can't seem to find any error so abit stuck, any ideas/
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20:17<s2r>Well I followed what it said it seems to have downloaded some stuff. But I did iwconfig and still the same. Here are the results http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a3870227/
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20:18<Ryccardo>doesn't look lite it actually loaded them
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20:19<s2r>What should I do?
20:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 594] by debhelper
20:20<retrospectacus>s2r: did you do the modprobe commands ?
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20:20<s2r>No I never saw that.
20:21<retrospectacus>those should get it going
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20:21<s2r>Sorry, I'm an idiot.
20:21<army>you see something for firmware with : sudo grep firmware /var/log/messages
20:21<s2r>I went and got a drink and forgot I still had commands to do.
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20:23<s2r>Well now I have this result from the iwconfig command: wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg ESSID:off/any
20:23<s2r> Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=200 dBm
20:23<s2r> Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
20:23<s2r> Encryption key:off
20:23<s2r> Power Management:off
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20:24<s2r_>Sorry I got kicked.
20:24<retrospectacus>s2r_: it works! See https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
20:24<retrospectacus>(use the paste site for >1 line)
20:25<s2r_>Sorry.
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20:26<s2r_>Wicd is still not finding any wireless.
20:26<s2r_>I'm trying what you posted now.
20:27<retrospectacus>you might try re-starting the wicd (not too familiar with it)
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20:30<Ryccardo>wicd doesn't work for wifi in the default config
20:31<Ryccardo>if you're using a GUI right now there's an option in its tray menu where you fill in the command line tools to use as a backend, and the wireless one is empty
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20:34<tootpick>Hello All. I need some help troubleshooting restart option in gnome3/debian
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20:35<s2r_>The issue persists http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5d4908e8/
20:35<retrospectacus>check the hardware switch of "function" button
20:35<retrospectacus>of/or
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20:38<s2r_>I'm not sure what you mean.
20:38<retrospectacus>the laptop has a special button (Fn-F7 for example) to enable/disable wireless
20:39<retrospectacus>or \it may also have a physical switch or button on the side or front
20:40<s2r_>Yeah it does. But it's on and always has been.
20:40<s2r_>Got it.
20:41<s2r_>It had no wireless interface set?
20:41<s2r_>So I set it to wlan0
20:41<retrospectacus>"it" = wicd?
20:41<s2r_>Yes, sorry.
20:42<s2r_>It has picked up all the local wireless now.
20:42<retrospectacus>huzzah
20:43<s2r_>Thanks for the help. Now I can't but wonder how many of the things we did were necessary.
20:43<retrospectacus>all of them, except perhaps "iwlist scan"
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20:45<s2r_>Thanks again. Also you're amazing at solving these issues.
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20:46<retrospectacus>no problem
20:46-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
20:46<retrospectacus>have a good weekend.
20:46<s2r_>You too!
20:47<s2r_>I'm back to work tomorrow so that sucks.
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21:28<Ahmed>This wiki page mentions editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I can't seem to find it
21:28<Ahmed>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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21:29<LtL>Ahmed: you have to create it
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21:31<Ahmed>B-b-but it says "Editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
21:31<Ahmed>Shouldn't someone change that to "creating" or "creating/editing"?
21:32<Ahmed>Thanks, btw
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21:33<LtL>Ahmed: iirc the command is X -configure or possibly xorg -configure. that gives you a generic xorg.conf and you edit from there
21:34<LtL>Ahmed: in most cases xorg.conf isn't needed with a few exceptions, usually graphics
21:36<Ahmed>LtL: http://paste.debian.net/36268/
21:36<Ahmed>Should I just make the file?
21:36<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Ahmed -about xorg manual config
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21:39<LtL>Ahmed: read the message from dpkg. thanks gsimmons :)
21:41<Ahmed>dsimmons & LtL: http://paste.debian.net/36269/
21:41<Ahmed>It says it failed
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21:44<gsimmons>Ahmed: You now have a /root/xorg.conf.new file. This template can be configured as required, then established as /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
21:46<gsimmons>The radeon driver also has sensible defaults, and some options (e.g. ColorTiling, EnablePageFlip) default to on anyway.
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21:47<Ahmed><gsimmons> Ahmed: You now have a /root/xorg.conf.new file. This template can be configured as required, then established as /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
21:47<Ahmed>but I don't
21:48<Ahmed>;_;
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21:50<gsimmons>Ahmed: You do, according to your paste. What are you trying to achieve, specifically?
21:52<Ahmed>Oh wait, sorry about that. I actually do. And I'm following the tutorial I paste earlier on how to enhance 3D acceleration
21:52<Ahmed>or enable it, not sure which
21:53<LtL>Ahmed: if gnome is running you should have 3d acceleration working.
21:53<mshuler>Ahmed: if you are using the radeon driver, I think all you need to do is 'apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri'
21:53<gsimmons>Ahmed: Installing the firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri packages is generally all that is necessary.
21:54<Ahmed>Well, I did get firmware-linux-nonfree, but the text isn't rendering properly and I was told that it was fixed this way
21:55<Ahmed>The text appears as if it has horizontal scan lines
21:56<LtL>Ahmed: firmware installs require reboot
21:56<Ahmed>Oh, I did reboot, a few times actually.
21:56<LtL>Ahmed: and do install mshuler recommends. they work.
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21:57<Ahmed>I was going to, but that's a step after editing xorg.conf in the wiki's guide
21:57<Ahmed>so I thought I'd do things step by step
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21:59<LtL>Ahmed: hrm, i don't believe you need to wait, go ahead and install those packages. you may not need an xorg.conf to begin with.
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22:02<Ahmed>LtL: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
22:02<Ahmed>Doesn't this mean it's already installed?
22:03<LtL>Ahmed: what command did you use? check if installing with `dpkg -s <packagename>`
22:03<LtL>*installed rather
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22:06<Ahmed>LtL: http://paste.debian.net/36282/
22:07<LtL>Ahmed: ok, it's installed.
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22:09<Ahmed>LtL: http://img.installgentoo.com/di/ANSC/photo_1_acbfcd9271d635e67e1f6e50f4d6e2e4.jpg
22:09<Ahmed>The text as seen in the screenshot is my problem
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22:10<LtL>Ahmed: I have no idea how to fix that.
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22:11<Ahmed>Does Gnome have an active irc channel?
22:12<mshuler>Ahmed: can we see 'lspci |grep VGA' please?
22:12<Ahmed>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS600 [Radeon Xpress 1250]
22:13<mshuler>Ahmed: you are using the radeon driver, currently, correct?
22:13<Ahmed>Yes, with nonfree firmware
22:14<mshuler>it might be worth trying fglrx
22:14<mshuler>!fglrx
22:14<dpkg>fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>.
22:14<Ahmed>Oh, I wanted to first try editing the xorg.conf
22:15<Ahmed>Are you sure it won't help?
22:15<mshuler>oh.. R600 not supported in the current one, so looks like fglrx legacy, maybe
22:15<mshuler>Ahmed: I'm not sure what you would edit in xorg.conf to fix that
22:15<mshuler>unless you have hints from someone else
22:15<gsimmons>No, not even the legacy driver supports that GPU.
22:16<Ahmed>The things in the wiki page
22:16<mshuler>Ahmed: carry on, then :)
22:16<Ahmed>I have no hints but the wiki said it improves things
22:16*mshuler needs to go pick up daughter
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22:17<mshuler>Ahmed: right - that config is only for "use this driver on this screen" and other tidbits, but nothing to fix that text problem that I can think of
22:17<mshuler>I'm not sure, other than trying another driver, but it looks like ATI/AMD has left you out in the cold :(
22:18<Ahmed>the current driver had no issues with Xfce nor with Mate
22:18<Ahmed>Can we blame Gnome instead?
22:19<mshuler>why not? use xfce (or my preference, kde)
22:19*mshuler really leaves :)
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22:20<Ahmed>Because I was stupid enough to give Gnome a chance despite the warnings, and now I'm restrained by bandwidth limits
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22:27<LtL>Ahmed: did you upgrade or do you have the install .iso ?
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22:29<Ahmed>I downloaded CD1
22:30<LtL>Ahmed: you can start over and choose a different desktop from that cd1 has alternates
22:31<LtL>i think cd1 has alternates rather.
22:33<Ahmed>The installation only gave me the option to install "Debian Desktop Environment"
22:33<Ahmed>I doubt more than one DE could fit in less than 700mb
22:33<LtL>Ahmed: you would need to use the advanced install option, however i'm not certain other desktops are on cd1
22:33<Ahmed>Isn't this why they have a KDE CD and an Xfce CD?
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22:34<LtL>Ahmed: probably.
22:36<Ahmed>LtL: I understood that anything besides the base system and minimum Gnome would need to fetch packages from the repos
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22:39<LtL>Ahmed: yes they would. forgive me, i'm only familiar with squeeze (oldstable)
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22:40<Ahmed>Well, thanks for your times, guys.
22:41<Ahmed>Cya around!
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23:24<N580-Noob>where do i ask for help with wheezy vlc? (folders: my videos, my pictures, my music, all point to incorrect directories)
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23:39<gamer>anyone here i have a dire question
23:39<kerneld>just ask it
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23:40<gamer>how do i find my audio output device path for audio apps and synthesizers
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23:41<gamer>everytime i go to install some sythensizer soft that is i never get sound
23:41<gamer>dont matter which version of ubuntu
23:41<gamer>its something real easy im sure
23:41<gamer>i see the sound meter going up but no sound
23:41<gamer>im so close
23:42<gamer>zynaddsubfx
23:42<kerneld>look in /proc/asounc
23:42<gamer>dude im a newb
23:42<kerneld>Now you said ubunto right, this is# debian
23:42<kerneld>you got the wrong channel
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23:43<kerneld>cat /proc/asound/cards
23:44<purinda_>howdy everyone!
23:44<administrator_>hi, i am running pear os 7 and the setting for startup applications graphical interface is not available on this system. Is there a way I can manually set an application to run on startup or install another application to do this process for me?
23:44<purinda_>anyone has any experience on running debian on a mac mini (late 2012)?
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23:48<llimeht>administrator_: you want to ask the pear people this, not #debian. You could try their forum http://pearlinux.org/index.php/forum/index
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