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00:53<aman>hi
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01:04<nituk>\server 198.23.138.92 6667 aRchis1234
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01:06<aman>hey u there?
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01:12<kichigai>So, I'm baaaack!
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01:13<kichigai>Interesting story, I've given up on installing Debian on my Windows PC for now, and now I'm aiming for my MacBook Pro, but I need bc43xx.fw
01:13<kichigai>Any solutions on cutting that firmware under OS X?
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01:15<av8n>http://pastie.org/8305108
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01:25<gsimmons>kichigai: No idea, b43-fwcutter doesn't appear to be in MacPorts. But I can provide a temporary link to extracted firmware. Which Broadcom chip is within your system?
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01:28<austeregrim>I'm trying to set up a pxe server on wheezy... using http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-pxe-install-server-for-multiple-linux-distributions-on-debian-lenny but having some issues wince it's for lenny
01:28<austeregrim>anyone know of a better resource for setting up a pxe server?
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01:38<gsimmons>austeregrim: Chapter 4.5 of the Debian Installation Guide (/msg dpkg install guide) and http://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall are more current resources.
01:38<austeregrim>thanks
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03:52<vlt>Hello. Which xserver pkg might be missing when I get error messages about missing a "xv adaptor for this display"?
03:52<vlt>How to find out which driver is used currently?
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03:57<caronte>hello, everybody...
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03:57<caronte>I tried to switch from gnome DE to xfce in wheezy, trying to opt for a lighter DE for not-so-new pc
03:58<caronte>so I re-installed clean debian with xfce DE...
03:59<caronte>but trying to run bash scripts (working without problems before), it pops up with errors about blank lines
03:59<caronte>how is it possible? Bash is the same and basic debian is the same, I mean...
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04:00<musca>vlt: you can read the /var/log/Xorg.0.log and even paste it in http://paste.debian.net if you need help
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04:03-!-infinity0 is now known as Guest5813
04:04<ioriliao>...
04:04<musca>hi ioriliao
04:04<ioriliao>hello everybody
04:04<ioriliao>hi musca
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04:04<ioriliao>i came here first
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04:04<ioriliao>who come from china?
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04:05<musca>!cn
04:05<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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04:18<nmeum>Is it possible that apt-get purge <package> sometimes doesn't mark dependencies of certain packages as "no longer needed" so that they get removed the next time I invoke apt-get autoremove?
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04:22<arand>nmeum: no, the "marking" doesn't happen when you install, and the automatically installed state does not know anything about which package that makes another auto-installed (afaik).
04:23<vlt>I pasted Xorg.0.log here: http://paste.debian.net/36372/
04:23<vlt>musca: ^
04:23<ckosloff> I recently upgraded my main system from stable to the testing branch, it completely messed my dual monitor setup, I can only get cloned monitors...
04:24<ckosloff>I will give more info when somebody picks up...
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04:24<arand>nmeum: As such, if you have a package 'foo' which recommends 'bar' (which is not installed), and you then install package 'baz' which depends on 'bar', then 'bar' will remain when you remove 'baz' due to the recommends relationship.
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04:26<nmeum>arand: ah, is it possible to change that? For instance I already disabled the installation of recommeded and suggested package in /etc/apt/conf.d but that doesn't seem to help…
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04:29<arand>nmeum: I don't think there is a way to change it.
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04:30<nmeum>arand: Do you know if it is possible to get a list of all packages which are only installed because another package recommends or suggests them?
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04:39<arand>nmeum: 'aptitude search ~M'
04:39<arand>This will cover depends and recommends, I don't know if it covers suggests.
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04:44<musca>vlt: possibly just missing the package firmware-linux-nonfree (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed
04:45<musca>!radeon firmware
04:45<dpkg>Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver.
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04:50<vlt>musca: I found something.
04:50<vlt>For some weird reasons there's no /dev/dri
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04:51<vlt>How to restore that?
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04:53<musca>vlt: see my hint above ...
04:53<musca>read what dpkg said
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04:59<ioriliao>大家好
04:59<ioriliao>请多多指教
04:59<musca>ioriliao: nice try
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05:02<musca>ioriliao: this is an enlish channel
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05:05<nmeum>does anybody know a program which allows me to change my X.org wallpaper? Basically I am looking for a feh --bg-center alternative…
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05:11<SniperShell>help
05:11<SniperShell>hmm..
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05:50<nocturnal>when I'm using iface names in network/interfaces can I somehow show which name is active? on an interface for example, wlan0 I want to see which wpa id_str is being used.
05:51<nocturnal>now that I think about it, maybe wpa_cli
05:51<nocturnal>yeah wpa_cli status
05:51<nocturnal>nvm
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06:18<babilen>nocturnal: also iwconfig
06:19<SynrG>probably not, in this case
06:19<SynrG>id_str is specific to wpasupplicant
06:20<SynrG>id_str is not the same as essid
06:23<SynrG>babilen: fyi: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz
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06:25<babilen>Ah, stupid brain "normalising" questions ;)
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06:27<SynrG>:)
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07:01<abramo>can someone help me?
07:02<SynrG>!ask
07:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:03<abramo>i have the last
07:03<abramo>xubuntu
07:03<SynrG>!ubuntuirc abramo
07:03<dpkg>abramo: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
07:03<abramo>and i'd like to install libreoffice
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07:05<freddo63>Hi anyone online now?
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07:07<SynrG>sure, if you have a debian support question.
07:08<freddo63>Yeah, I've been trying to install Quartus II for some school work I need to do
07:09<freddo63>However, the libraries I need to install have conflicting dependencies and I'm not sure how to know which ones should be kept and so on
07:09<freddo63>Is there a char limit on this?
07:10<freddo63>I was trying to install ia32-lib-gtk based on the following guide http://www.alterawiki.com/wiki/Quartus_for_Debian_Wheezy
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07:19<freddo63>I'll be out for an hour and be back later to see if anyone's replied.
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07:27<raku>Hi there is this the correct #chan for xorg related things?
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07:33<musca>raku: perhaps #debian-x
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07:34<raku>musca: Thank you! I'll ask there instead.
07:34<musca>yw
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07:56<vlt>musca: Hi, thanks.
07:56<vlt>I installed linux-firmware-nonfree. NOW IT WORKS.
07:58<musca>nice to hear feedback :)
07:58<babilen>dpkg: tell freddo63 -about multiarch
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07:59<babilen>freddo63: All ia32-* packages are obsolete in wheezy as you can just install the i386 libraries directly (they are, however, metapackages these day that pull in a plethora of 32bit libraries, so you can still install them)
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08:26<chocolate>is it possible to download debian with 1.0 kernel ?
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08:29<freddo63>babilen are you still there?
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08:29<chocolate>where to download the most old debian release?
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08:32<freddo63>I understand that ia32 is obsolete and I don't need them now that there's multi arch support, which I think I have installed. However, how do I know what i386 libraries satisfy the ia32 library requirements on this page: http://www.alterawiki.com/wiki/Quartus_for_Debian_Wheezy The Debian page for ia32-lib doesn't say anything about what i386 library replaces it
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08:54<freddo63>so someone told me that ia32 libraries are obsolete; however, what I don't yet know is what libraries from i386 I can use to fulfill requirements
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08:54<freddo63>the Debian page on ia32-lib doesn't say anything about what it transitions to
08:55<freddo63>here's what I'm trying to install, there are a few libraries listed at the top, how do I discover their i386 equivalents?
08:55<freddo63>http://9gag.com/gag/a75rMXm
08:55<freddo63>oops
08:55<freddo63>http://www.alterawiki.com/wiki/Quartus_for_Debian_Wheezy
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08:59<tanawat>สวัดดี
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09:12<babilen>freddo63: Please keep it in the channel
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09:12<freddo63>ok i wasn't sure how this was working because of the way i received your last message
09:12<babilen>freddo63: And as I said: you can still install the ia32-* packages, but they are simply metapackages these days that pull in a plethora of i386 packages.
09:13<freddo63>hmm but then why would aptitude complain about conflicts, and what should I do about those conflicts?
09:13<babilen>freddo63: I asked our bot to send you a message in private :) It wasn't a message from me in the strictest sense.
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09:15<babilen>judd: depends ia32-libs --arch amd64
09:15<judd>Package ia32-libs in wheezy/amd64 -- depends: ia32-libs-i386,multiarch-support.
09:15<babilen>judd: depends ia32-libs-i386 --arch amd64
09:15<judd>No package named 'ia32-libs-i386' was found in wheezy/amd64.
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09:16<babilen>judd: depends ia32-libs-i386
09:16<judd>Package ia32-libs-i386 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: freeglut3 (>= 2.6.0-1), lesstif2 (>= 1:0.95.2-1), libacl1 (>= 2.2.49-4), libaio1 (>= 0.3.107-7), libasyncns0 (>= 0.3-1.1), libattr1 (>= 1:2.4.44-2), libaudio2 (>= 1.9.2-4), libaudiofile1 (>= 0.2.6-8), libavahi-client3 (>= 0.6.27-2+squeeze1), libavahi-common3 (>= 0.6.27-2+squeeze1), libbsd0 (>= 0.2.0-1), libcap2 (>= 1:2.19-3), libcomerr2 (>= 1.41.12-4stable1),
09:16<judd>libcups2 (>= 1.4.4-7+squeeze1), libcurl3 (>= 7.21.0-2), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.2.24-4+squeeze1), libdirectfb-1.2-9 (>= 1.2.10.0-4), libdrm-intel1 (>= 2.4.21-1~squeeze3), libdrm-radeon1 (>= 2.4.21-1~squeeze3), libdrm2 (>= 2.4.21-1~squeeze3), libedit2 (>= 2.11-20080614-2), libesd0 (>= 0.2.41-8), libexif12 (>= 0.6.19-1), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1-7), libflac8 (>= 1.2.1-2+b1), libfltk1.1 (>= 1.1.10-2+b1), libfontconfig1 (>= (3 more messages)
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09:17<daenney>hi everyone. I was hoping someone could help me out. During the installation of debian my network works fine (it's a realtek thing) but once the system boots I can't get a single packet over the network. I've installed the firmware-realtek package but no success either
09:17<babilen>freddo63: It's the same principle for ia32-libs-gtk. You can still install those packages (once you enabled i386 as explained in the multiarch howto), but you will probably install way more libraries than you actually need. You could, probably, ivnestigate (with, say, ldd) which libraries quartus really needs and then install only those.
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09:18<babilen>freddo63: But please realise that we cannot really support quartus, but installing those libraries shouldn't pose a problem.
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09:18<daenney>The odd thing is I do get DHCP and everything, interface configures itself and all is fine
09:18<daenney>Just no traffic
09:18<babilen>freddo63: I have also no idea why you would need zsh and find that requirement/change a bit odd. I mean it might be the case, but it is .. well .. atypical.
09:19<freddo63>i understand you can't support quartus, but can I send you a txt of what aptitude complained about so you can see what I came across?
09:19<freddo63>also, why does it seem so quiet in here, am I missing something?
09:20<babilen>freddo63: The channel over on freenode is a bit more active, but is it a problem for you that there aren't more conversations going on at the same time?
09:21<freddo63>no it's great! i felt maybe I was doing something wrong that my messages would show up normally, but other people's seemed to show up only randomly out of context at times
09:21<babilen>freddo63: No, everything is fine :) -- Why don't you paste your actual commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net so that I can take a look ?
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09:25<freddo63>so when i was installing, i did them one at a time and ia32-lib went fine, but ia32-lib-gtk is where i had a problem http://paste.debian.net/plain/36496
09:26<babilen>freddo63: Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" too please?
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09:28<freddo63>http://paste.debian.net/plain/36497 although for sources, i don't actually know where that's kept although i think i've looked at it before
09:29<babilen>freddo63: That being said: I would consider that solution to be acceptable. Could you please also cycle through the next 2-3 solutions please and show me that? (answer "n")
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09:29<freddo63>ok, now that's where i found it to be a tad ridiculous, (it wanted to remove xorg or deluge or other things that seemed quite unrelated)
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09:30<babilen>sure, I am not suggesting that you go ahead with them, but I would just like to see them. :)
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09:30<freddo63>http://paste.debian.net/plain/36499
09:31<freddo63>http://paste.debian.net/plain/36500
09:32<freddo63>http://paste.debian.net/plain/36501
09:33<babilen>yeah, that's rather suboptimal. Could you show me that output of "aptitude search ~c ; aptitude search ~b" and "apt-get --purge -s autoremove" ?
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09:34<babilen>freddo63: I am, right now, a bit surprised that you cannot install that packages (or all of its recommended packages), but that might simply be the case. A simple "apt-get --no-install-recommends install ia32-libs-gtk" might do the trick though. (or disable recommend in aptitude or simply accept the first solution)
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09:36<freddo63>http://paste.debian.net/plain/36503
09:37<freddo63>are you saying your surprised with the output of aptitude, or are you suggesting that I can go on ahead with aptitude's first recommendation?
09:37<freddo63>you're*
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09:42<babilen>freddo63: both
09:44<babilen>freddo63: I simply would have expected ia32-libs-gtk to be installable with recommends :-/
09:44<babilen>(brb)
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09:50<Aiglos>Hello guys, i recently installed debian wheezy on my fileserver, and as part of my setup i need to setup iscsi, so i do this by installing iscsitarget and iscsitarget-dkms. However when i scan for the iscsitarget i have set up, i get kernellockup on the wheezy machine.
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09:53<Aiglos>This is also a fresh install, my old setup was with debian squeez where i used iscsitarget which worked fine, so the issue seems to be exclusive to wheezy.
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09:56<guto>my audio card intel 5 Series/3400 Series, not work in debian 7.1 can someone point me to documentation?
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10:02<freddo63>babilen, when it says for example "ia32-libs-gtk-i386:i386 recommends libbonobo2-0:i386..." is that saying that aptitude is recommending the latter package?
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10:04<babilen>freddo63: No, it says that *ia32-libs-gtk-i386:i386* recommends libbonobo2-0:i386
10:05<freddo63>hmm, so that package recommends the latter one?
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10:05<freddo63>alright, are there any downsides to following the recommends?
10:06<babilen>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677762
10:06<babilen>freddo63: You typically want recommends to be installed, but you (or rather quartus) might not actually need them. So, install it without and give that a try.
10:07<babilen>freddo63: You can *still* run "ldd /path/to/quartus/executable" and install *exactly* the libraries you need.
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10:11<freddo63>i assume from this that trying it can't cause irreparable damage?
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10:16<babilen>freddo63: What are you referring to? But neither of the commands I mentioned could cause damage.
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10:16<freddo63>I'm just covering my bases, because I don't want to have to reinstall debian after all that I already have on here
10:17<freddo63>the recommends don't look all that bad, now that I understand what's happening and have read it more carefully
10:17<babilen>freddo63: It would be good to see the output of ldd if run on the quartus binary.
10:17<freddo63>ok, are you saying the quartus binary that I have before the install?
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10:18<babilen>Well, preferably the one that you would execute to start quartus proper
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10:21<freddo63>ahh ok, I haven't yet installed it as it's been recommended that I first install depended libraries, and the install will be my next challenge, since the guide looks outdated, and quartus appears to be made for redhat
10:22<freddo63>and another thing they suggest is to have the default shell be bash, does "sudo dpkg-reconfigure bash" make sure that's correct?
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10:24<babilen>freddo63: You'll be asked, yes. But I would personally prefer to fix their buggy scripts (use /bin/bash in lieu of /bin/sh)
10:25<babilen>The assumption that /bin/sh == /bin/bash is simply wrong
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10:26<freddo63>ok, the only thing they recommended was that dash was not default because dash wouldn't work, while bash would
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10:26<babilen>freddo63: Well, if they need bash then they should call bash (/bin/bash) and not sh (/bin/sh)
10:28<babilen>It might be hard for you to fix all their scripts (and other hardcoded /bin/sh occurrences), but my line of argumentation is that their scripts are buggy and should be fixed and that you should try to keep dash as default. It is, naturally, also perfectly acceptable to simply use bash as /bin/sh and that might be easier.
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10:30<freddo63>oh i see you've done your hw, i hadn't even noticed /bin/sh in the setup script!
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10:31<babilen>i'll be back later.. good luck!
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10:31<freddo63>when i checked for dash being the default, with dpkg-reconfigure dash, it said dash wasn't the default and asked whether i'd like to set it as such, and of course I said no
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10:50<boundaryMan>Is this the correct channel for nvidia support to do with X11?
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10:52<mshuler>boundaryMan: on Debian, yes.
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10:52<mshuler>!nvidia
10:52<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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10:53<boundaryMan>Okay awesome. Starting X.org with startx returns the error: ERROR could not insert 'nvidia_ current,
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10:54<boundaryMan>': function not implemented
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10:55<boundaryMan>Checking the logs it is reporting that it failed to load the nvidia kernel module.
10:56<boundaryMan>How do I go about fixing this?
10:56<mshuler>boundaryMan: hang out, someone may help (/me needs to drive to univeristy)
10:56<boundaryMan>Okay, ty-
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11:01<sabian2008>Really basic question here, but... how can I make it so to add asian characters??
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11:02<sabian2008>Instead of those characters I see white squares.
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11:03<vlt>Hello. What command will just show a completely black screen without any cursor? Any idea?
11:03<kakerr>question i just did a fresh install of deb 7 and it installed fine ..boot up shows no error but my wifi says it is missing firmware .. how can i find out what firmware is needed
11:03<mgv>vlt: xset dpms force suspend -- this turns the screen off
11:04<vlt>mgv: No X
11:04<mgv>oh
11:04<vlt>On a terminal
11:04<sney>kakerr: what wifi device do you have? 'lspci -nn |grep net'
11:04<vlt>Something like "cat -"?
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11:08<kakerr>sney : kakerr# lspci -nn |grep net
11:08<kakerr>05:08.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation PRO/100 VE Network Connection [8086:1092] (rev 02)
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11:09<sney>kakerr: err, that's the wired connection. can you pastebin the output of just 'lspci -nn' to http://paste.debian.net/ and link it here?
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11:09<kakerr>kk one moment
11:10<freddo63>sabian, I think you can add other language support with sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales but be sure to check the man pages to make sure
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11:11<sney>sabian2008: if you have a unicode locale already then you don't need another one. for asian characters what you need is fonts
11:11<kakerr>sney : http://paste.debian.net/36536/
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11:11<sney>,pciid 14e4:4311
11:11<judd>[14e4:4311] is 'BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4311 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
11:12<sney>!b43-fwcutter
11:12<dpkg>Device firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project. The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers. Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy
11:12<sney>kakerr: ^ that's what you need.
11:13<kakerr>sney : Thank you for the help :D
11:13<sakax>i am struggling to get gnash working - i just removed adobe's non free flash plugin
11:13<sakax>even youtube doesnt work
11:13<sakax>any ideas what i am missing?
11:14<Zaba>html5 support?
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11:14<sakax>flash should work - i am not only visiting youtube
11:16<sabian2008>sney i'm using fonts which are supposed to support asian characters I think
11:16<sabian2008>sney: liberation serif and liberation sans
11:17<sney>sabian2008: nope, those are still just roman characters. for chinese/japanese 'fonts-vlgothic' should give you what you need, korean it's 'fonts-unfonts-core' and 'fonts-unfonts-extra'
11:17<sney>there are loads more
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11:21<sabian2008>sney: oh you meant font packages?
11:21<sabian2008>i'm installing those then
11:21<sabian2008>and will programs automatically change from liberation to those in order to display asian characters?
11:22<sney>yep, or actually freetype does that. it's pretty neat that it can just mix fonts to give you all your characters
11:23<sabian2008>sney: thanks a lot... all this time I've been chasing reconfiguring locales to UTF-8/Unicode and trying different fonts from the installed ones... never occurred to me the font packages thing (very naif, I know)
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11:24<sney>sabian2008: it was a head-scratcher the first time I had it, too
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11:24<boundaryMan>Seems like ive royally borked my install. Time to instal
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11:24<boundaryMan>Time to reinstall*
11:25<sney>what'd you do
11:25<[UP]Crystal>Hello everyone! Could you advice me how can I connect to samba share using MC (midnight commander)? I can't see SMB option in mc at the moment...
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11:51<Aiglos> Hello guys, i recently installed debian wheezy on my fileserver, and as part of my setup i need to setup iscsi, so i do this by installing iscsitarget and iscsitarget-dkms. However when i scan for the iscsitarget i have set up, i get kernellockup on the wheezy machine. This is also a fresh install, my old setup was with debian squeez where i used iscsitarget which worked fine, so the issue
11:51<Aiglos>seems to be exclusive to wheezy.
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11:52<sney>with iscsitarget-dkms, did the module build ok?
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11:53<Aiglos>Yes, i could purge and redo and paste the output if that would help
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11:54<sney>no, but do you get any error messages
11:54<Aiglos>Yes, i do, give me a second and il paste a link to the error that shows up with the lockup
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11:55<s2r>Has anyone here been successful in creating a persistent bootable usb? If so can you please share how you did it, because I have followed a lot of tutorials but none have worked for me. I always end up with some type of boot error.
11:57<Aiglos>http://pastebin.com/ksDmJWEk
11:57<Aiglos>This is what happens when i scan for the iscsitarget on my esxi-host
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12:03<gotwig>hey there
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12:11<sney>Aiglos: sorry, I'm not really up on iscsi. maybe try again in a bit or check the bug tracker
12:11<Aiglos>Ah ok, can you point me to the bug-tracker? I have been googeling like a madman, but havent really found anything
12:12<Aiglos>googeling for the error that is, not the bug-tracker
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12:34<freddo63>babilen: are you back?
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12:35<SynrG>nocturnal: for you: http://syn.theti.ca/2013/09/07/wifi-roaming-on-the-move-redux/
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12:46<freddo63>babilen: I've got what I think is the output to ldd path/to/quartus/exec
12:47<freddo63>it seems a tad long though and I'm not sure if it's the exec that I want, as I found various in various folders, and for whatever reasons, no symbolic links were created on the desktop or the lower left corner menu
12:48<freddo63>the lxde menu button
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12:50<freddo63>here's ldd's output, though i can't seem to find anything about ia32-lib-gtk
12:50<freddo63>http://paste.debian.net/plain/36552
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12:52<chips>hi
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12:53<gotwig>How can I upgrade all my packages to unstable
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12:56<SynrG>gotwig: you have a fresh stable install? substitute "unstable" for "stable" (or for "wheezy") in your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update ... and ... (be very careful about this, as it could break your system badly, e.g. remove many vital packages) apt-get dist-upgrade
12:57<SynrG>you might want to "apt-get upgrade" first
12:57<SynrG>then see if dist-upgrade is safe to do today
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12:57<SynrG>in general, carefully review the removals and make sure they are replaced by things in the new installs ... if it looks like they aren't, it may not be fully upgradable today.
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12:59<chealer>!tell gotwig about iyhtays
13:00<SynrG>chealer: inappropriate
13:00<SynrG>read some backlog from earlier today
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13:00<SynrG>in spite of his inexperience, i believe gotwig is ready for this and just needs some guidance
13:01<SynrG>chealer: hmm. not backlog from here. sorry ... #debian-next (where he should have asked the question :)
13:01<SynrG>and where i thought we were ... oops :)
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13:02<nickrw>seeing as mdadm doesn't support resizing raid10s I am considering having two mdadm raid1s, and having both raid1s as members of an lvm VG - am I sane?
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13:10<freddo63>can someone here tell me how I can find the exec for a program I've installed, which hasn't made the proper symbolic links where necessary?
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13:11<MrFrood>how did you install it?
13:12<freddo63>It's a prog called Quartus, and I used its setup.sh, which asked if I wanted to make a desktop shortcut which I did
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13:12<freddo63>however now I don't see anything on the desktop, nor in the lxde menu
13:13<MrFrood>did you have type in your root password?
13:13<freddo63>yes I ran it as root and installed it to /opt/altera
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13:14<gotwig>freddo63, you can open the script, and search for ".desktop"
13:15<MrFrood>next question when typing at ehe command prompt can you auto complete the name of the prog ?
13:17<freddo63>gotwig: are you referring to the script called quartus that I have inside the bin folder?
13:17<gotwig>freddo63, the script you used to install it
13:17<freddo63>MrFrood: I've found various quartuses in various folders
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13:18<freddo63>gotwig, would that script have a .run at the end of its name?
13:18<MrFrood>freddo63: pastebin the setup script
13:18<gotwig>how can I install 32bit applications on debian
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13:18<gotwig>it tells me wrong architecture
13:18<gotwig>freddo63, I dont know which script you used to install it
13:19<mtn>gotwig: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
13:19<MrFrood>!tell gotwig about multiarch
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13:19<gotwig>dpkg --add-architecture <arch>
13:19*dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new hppa cathedral
13:19<freddo63>well, the script I found in the tar was called setup.sh, which is a very simple and useless extra step that calls QuartusWebSetup-13.0.1.run
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13:20<freddo63>HAHAHAHAH!!! dpkg is a funny bot!
13:20<gotwig>freddo63, ok, than try to search there. normaly these starts are just ".desktop" files
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13:22<freddo63>are you suggesting I open the .run file with leafpad? It's 1.8GB and last time I did it, I managed to for the first time cause a program to go unresponsive!
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13:22<gotwig>freddo63, oh I see
13:23<gotwig>freddo63, it seems to contain binary and text content, how you edit that.. I dont really know
13:23<gotwig>freddo63, you can however search on your whole system, for the .desktop file
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13:24<indio>Hi. Any pointer on how to install Nvidia proprietary drivers to Debian Jessie?
13:25<MrFrood>freddo63: according my search engine of choice "The binary is located under "bin" in the installation directory"
13:25<indio>I have https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but it just have instructions for Wheezy
13:26<MrFrood>indio: jessie support in #debian-next
13:26<freddo63>yes, i found a "quartus" shell script
13:26<indio>Thanks.
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13:26<freddo63>in the bin folder that is
13:27<freddo63>so i'm guessing that's not the binary
13:27<gotwig>damn steam on 64bit is.. not easy
13:27<gotwig>indio, oh
13:27<gotwig>indio, I just installed 325 nvidia drivers the first time
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13:28<gotwig>now installed steam ;X
13:28<gotwig>indio, the instructions are similar for jessie I guess
13:28<freddo63>MrFrood, in the bin folder there seemed to only be shell scripts
13:29<gotwig>freddo63, search your whole system
13:29<indio>k thanks
13:29<gotwig>MrFrood, he searchs for the .desktop file I guess
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13:29<gotwig>indio, do you want the latest nvidia drivers? than try experimental
13:29<gotwig>indio, I had to use aptitude, because apt-get resolved dependencies.. very strange
13:29<freddo63>hmm ok, I'm going to have to take a look at PCManFM's search function as it doesn't seem obvious
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13:29<indio>No. I need 304.* line cause my card is old
13:29<gotwig>freddo63, why dont you create a starter for your own
13:30<gotwig>indio, oh, than just use the guide
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13:30<indio>Yes. I will thanks
13:30<freddo63>gotwig: I would, but I don't know where to point it to
13:30<freddo63>and the lxde menu doesn't have one either
13:30<gotwig>freddo63, oh you dont know where the binary is..
13:30<freddo63>exactly, it wasn't in the bin folder
13:31<MrFrood>gotwig: if you know the location of the binary you can make your own desktop shortcut
13:31<freddo63>however, I did find something called quartus in a folder called linux64
13:31<gotwig>franam, if its some sort of webstarter library, its probably sort of a library which cant be started standalone?
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13:32<gotwig>freddo63, full path?
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13:33<freddo63>/opt/altera/13.0sp1/quartus/linux64/
13:33<freddo63>although the linux/ folder also has a quartus exec...
13:34<freddo63>i'd run it but I'm still on a quest to check if i've satisfied all dependencies and i'd like to ldd it for that, lest I should damage it trying to open it without the dependent libraries
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13:36<indio>Is there a keyboard shortcut to show the desktop?
13:37<mtn>indio: which desktop?
13:37<gotwig>indio, hide all windows?
13:37<mtn>indio: gnome or?
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13:38<indio>Yes. Hide all windows
13:38<indio>Minimize all
13:39<gotwig>desktop environment?.
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13:40<freddo63>gotwig, is there too much of a difference between archlinux and debian? I'm reading a more updated guide for installing on arch, but i'm not sure how close it is to what it should be for debian
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13:40<indio>Gnome 3
13:41<gotwig>freddo63, link?
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13:41<freddo63>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Altera_Design_Software
13:41<gotwig>indio is away..
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13:43<gotwig>freddo63, the part with dependency resolving will not work
13:44<freddo63>fair enough, that's actually my main objective
13:44<freddo63>babilen had told me that i could check that with ldd
13:45<freddo63>which I have, here's my link: http://paste.debian.net/plain/36552
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13:46<freddo63>gotwig: and that's what I got off of the quartus exec in the linux64 folder, which to me seems like it's the correct one, but i have nothing but my feelings to go on
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13:47<nocturnal>has anyone managed to ifenslave wlan0 using the BCM43142 chip? and which driver did you use?
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13:49<babilen>freddo63: That's a few more than I expected, but you have to install the i386 package for each library that isn't found. You can use, for example, apt-file to do that. And please don't /msg it.
13:49<babilen>freddo63: I can see messages in here just fine and get highlighted.
13:50<freddo63>babilen: ok i'll refrain from that
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13:52<freddo63>babilen: it seems like apt-file is not a pre-installed tool?
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13:52<LtL>freddo63: correct
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13:54<zeev>Hi, does anybody know why there is no /etc/dconf on Wheezy? Should I create this manually? or is it located in some other place?
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13:56<freddo63>i just ran apt-file update which asked me for the cdrom. is it a problem for me to skip that? esp since I installed from usb and the rest should be on the web right?
13:56<LtL>freddo63: un-comment cdrom in /etc/apt/sources.list is my guess
13:57<LtL>freddo63: hrm, that weird
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13:57<freddo63>I'm guessing you mean comment it
13:58<LtL>freddo63: i'm running apt-file update as user. no, i mean uncomment cdrom as a source
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13:59<LtL>freddo63: er duh comment it, my fault
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13:59<freddo63>right, but if I'm uncommenting it, it would look at it. I actually had two same cdrom lines, one commented and one unc
13:59<LtL>freddo63: comment both, sorry
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14:01<freddo63>oh boy, very strange, apt-file has not found anything, or at least it hasn't printed it
14:01<ia2k>can someone point me in the direction of reading, i had debian dual booted with my windows, i formated the windows partition and and reinstalled windows, but somewhere or another i messed up the mbr and boot loader and it just straight boots windows. Im trying to get this bootloader back up in running so i can switch between OS's once again
14:01<ia2k><vortek> rienstall debiab is the only way i know;, but im sure theres another way
14:01<freddo63>i ran apt-file search libsys_ictq.so
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14:02<ia2k>debiab = Debian
14:02<freddo63>ia2k: I recommend looking for a grub installer
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14:02<ia2k>grub instller ok isnt there another kind of installer?
14:02<freddo63>ia2k: or better yet a grub rescuer
14:03<freddo63>what do you mean?
14:03<ia2k>idk
14:03<freddo63>???
14:03<ia2k>just working with these thoughts that pop in and out
14:04<freddo63>well, ive never gone through a grub rescue but i know that that's what you'd do
14:04<freddo63>there is another boot manager called LILO
14:04<ia2k>yeah thats what im thinking of...
14:04<freddo63>but I wouldn't have expected debian to have lilo
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14:05<ia2k>yeah i have had different distros i havent really messed with this shit in centuries it seems like.
14:06<freddo63>babilen: I've apt-file search libsys_ictq.so and came up with no output
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14:07<freddo63>ia2k: i'm a beginner in debian, although i've had a little experiece with SuSE way back when and mostly ubuntu, i know ubuntu seems to favor Grub and SuSE had LILO
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14:07<asqard>#ubuntu-pl
14:08<ia2k>Yeah i wasnt a big fan of SuSE
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14:08<asqard>hello
14:09<ompaul>!fixmbr
14:09<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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14:10<ompaul>asqard: this is a debian channel you didn't /join we got the #ubntu-pl
14:10<asqard>i'm can't use firefox end, end watch site on youtube
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14:11<factoreal>hi all
14:11<asqard>http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1787/or1y.png
14:11<factoreal>I want to setup a secure irc server
14:11<asqard>sorry ompaul :)
14:11<freddo63>LtL: is apt-file search supposed to output something?
14:11<factoreal>how start?
14:11<asqard>in debian is same error firefox end youtube site.
14:12<ompaul>asqard: that's a ubuntu issue we don't use firefox
14:12<ompaul>!ubuntuirc
14:12<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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14:13<asqard>is error icewease? end firefox don't support
14:13<ompaul>asqard: go to an irc channel for ubuntu have a nice day
14:13<ompaul>it's not the same fix
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14:14<freddo63>can anyone tell me why apt-file search doesn't output anything?
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14:15<factoreal>Can anyone help me to setup an IRC server in Debian?
14:16<grandie>freddo63: did you update apt-file
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14:18<indio>Hi. What would be the command to trigger a kernel + kernel modules reinstall ?
14:18<freddo63>grandie: I have
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14:18<freddo63>grandie: or rather I did
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14:19<grandie>did you do it as root or a normal user
14:19<freddo63>as root
14:19<grandie>and you don't get anything
14:20<freddo63>for some things i don't get anything
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14:20<grandie>such as
14:20<Osiris_X>is there no apt equivalent of dpkg --get-selections?
14:21<freddo63> apt-file search linux-vdso.so.1 returns nothing
14:21<grandie>do another update and try again
14:21<freddo63>but ldd gave me some sort of address "0x00007fff...."
14:22<ixi>it's part of the kernel
14:22<ixi>doesn't require any file.
14:22<freddo63>ok
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14:24<freddo63>now for apt-file search libsys_ictq.so which didn't give me anything, I assume I should be able to install an i386 lib for that?
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14:25<freddo63>and if so, how do i know the name of that i386 lib?
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14:27<freddo63>babilen: there is a quartus.dep file in the linux64 folder which lists what look like it could be dependencies
14:27<freddo63>babilen: I haven't had much luck looking up apt-file search for things ldd noted as "not found"
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14:32<mshuler>freddo63: what software are you trying to find libraries for?
14:32<babilen>freddo63: I have no idea, if you could paste it we could take a look. I'm off for tonights soiree, but I wish you all best.
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14:33<freddo63>mshuler: I'm installing quartus, and before I installed it I was concerned about library dependencies, for which I ran aptitude install
14:33<mshuler>factoreal: 'apt-get install ircd-hybrid' then read the docs, if you want to set up SSL
14:33<freddo63>babilen: Thank you for all your efforts!! I really appreciated your help, and it got me a lot farther
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14:34<freddo63>mshuler: aptitude install said there were conflicts trying to install ia32-libs-gtk
14:34<mshuler>freddo63: I don't see a quartus package in Debian.
14:34<freddo63>it's not a Debian package
14:34<mshuler>then it's not relevant to #debian
14:35<freddo63>I realize that, my question has nothing to do with quartus
14:35<mshuler>does quartus have install documentation?
14:35<freddo63>but rather with aptitude complaining about library conflicts
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14:36<freddo63>quartus has very little for debian, what I've found is user-created
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14:38<mshuler>freddo63: have you posted a pastebin link with your errors, sources.list, etc? (I'm not seeing it reading back in the log)
14:38<freddo63>mshuler: babilen suggested that I might not need all the libraries I was trying to install, and to make sure I needed them before installing, which is what I was trying to do
14:38<freddo63>yes, I started earlier this morning actually
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14:40<freddo63>i'll repost the links
14:40<mshuler>I see your ldd link - so what happens when you 'cd /opt/altera/13.0sp1/ ; ./quartus' (it could have it's own lib include path)
14:41<freddo63>./quartus is a directory
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14:41<freddo63>here's what i posted originally http://paste.debian.net/36496
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14:42<mshuler>so cd to wherever the binary is and run it - see what happens, you won't hurt anything if it fails
14:42<mshuler>and welcome to mutliarch :)
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14:44<freddo63>ok
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14:46<freddo63>mshuler: quartus seems to have opened without any trouble. However is there any harm to accepting aptitude's recommendations on installing ia32-libs-gtk
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14:46<freddo63>?*\
14:47<mshuler>freddo63: no clue. why are you trying to install ia32-libs-gtk?
14:48<mshuler>freddo63: I assume you are on an amd64 machine, running the 64bit quartus?
14:48<freddo63>because a wiki-guide for debian users said it was necessary for quartus
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14:48<freddo63>Yes, i'm on amd64, and I assume from what I read in the startup script that it's running 64bit quartus
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14:49<freddo63>however, it uses many tools still from 32bit
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14:49<mshuler>freddo63: their install doc says nothing of the sort (in the quick glance I took)
14:50<mshuler>just says on 64bit OS, use our 64bit sofware
14:50<freddo63>here's what I'm looking at http://www.alterawiki.com/wiki/Quartus_for_Debian_Wheezy
14:50<freddo63>and I assumed it was from user-based experiences since altera only suggests the software to be used on redhat
14:50<mc68040>freddo63: ia32-libs-gtk is a transitional package in wheezy, it's substituted by multiarch - when you dont have old packages depending on it you dont need it
14:51<mshuler>freddo63: that wiki page has a 2011 date - I was reading their actual installation documentation dated in 2013 ;)
14:52<freddo63>mshuler: can you pass me that link?
14:52<mc68040>freddo63: see: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ia32-libs-gtk
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14:52<mshuler>freddo63: http://www.altera.com/literature/manual/quartus_install.pdf (found by clicking "Documentation" on the software page)
14:53<freddo63>mc68040: am i supposed to install ia32-libs-gtk-i386 then?
14:53<mshuler>freddo63: at this point, I would suggest asking someone at altera - I have no idea
14:53<mshuler>but then you already said it worked, too :)
14:54<freddo63>fair enough, i only asked here because aptitude was the one complaining
14:54<freddo63>i just don't want to be sitting there working away a week before the exam and encounter problems because of library issues
14:54<mshuler>but the user was following something someone wrote on the Internet. don't blindly do that :-D
14:55<freddo63>quite right, but I'm not doing much different asking on here
14:55<freddo63>what i've started doing is reading up on every man page for every command anyone gives me
14:55<mshuler>quite true
14:55<freddo63>this way i don't type in something that I have no idea what it does
14:55<mshuler>and that's a great way to learn stuff - you'll get more comfortable in time
14:56<freddo63>well this irc channel has definitely been a lot more helpful than the debian forums! I appreciate your patience
14:56<freddo63>I feel a lot more confident now
14:56<mshuler>anytime
14:57<freddo63>and just so you know, I try to stay aware of when my question is outside the scope of this channel
14:57<freddo63>but when i don't feel free to tell me! =)
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14:57<mshuler>!next
14:57<dpkg>NEXT PLEASE!
15:00<mc68040>freddo63: from http://www.altera.com/literature/manual/quartus_install.pdf i think they only support RedHat and not Debian - you could try to install the mentioned debian equivalents of the needed rpm list and hope that all works...
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15:02<freddo63>mc68040: I will contact someone from altera to find out what my options are, since http://www.alterawiki.com/wiki/Quartus_for_Debian_Wheezy suggests it will run on Debian
15:02<freddo63>at least 2 years ago it did anyways
15:03<sney>2 years ago wheezy was in a pretty different state. but if all you got is apt warnings about multiarch and the software works, you did pretty well for 3rd party
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15:03<freddo63>XD so far so good, I hope the semester goes well!
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15:04<freddo63>I'm finally feeling a lot more like a real linux user now. ati prop drivers were disappointing, but now I think my control engineering degree/linux edu path is well on its way
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15:17<Guest5858>lol
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15:18<freddo63>Thanks to all and have a great day!!!
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15:22*Xylon loves his Debian system
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15:26<mshuler>!love Xylon
15:26*dpkg makes love to Xylon, caressing Xylon's hair, whispering sweet nothings in Xylon's ear...
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15:37<austeregrim>gsimmons, thanks for the info last night about pxe... I got it set up.
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15:42<austeregrim>anyone have any information for setting up a proxy/cache for FTP, like for package distribution? setting up basically a passive mirror, that updates only when checked.
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15:46<nmeum>Does anybody know if it is possible to temporary hide the mouse cursor in X11?
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15:47<althaser>nmeum http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=unclutter
15:49<nmeum>althaser: thanks, I will try that
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15:57<mshuler>austeregrim: I use approx as a local mirror
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16:02<austeregrim>mshuler, never heard of it
16:02<austeregrim>does it selectively pull packages?
16:02<mshuler>austeregrim: only when they are requested - it's very simple and works well for me
16:03<austeregrim>good
16:03<austeregrim>I'll look into it
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16:05<mshuler>austeregrim: I point all my various cowbuilders to it, so when building and rebuilding packages, only the first download is over the network - subsequent cached downloads are all local and quick
16:05<austeregrim>mshuler, anything I need to know about setup? just apt-get install on my package server? then point clients to that server?
16:05<mshuler>austeregrim: just install approx, then edit /etc/approx/approx.conf to taste
16:06<austeregrim>thanks
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16:10<mshuler>austeregrim: here's everything you might need :) http://paste.debian.net/36607/
16:11<austeregrim>looking
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16:12<mshuler>approx inserts an inetd.conf line - that's where you would change the port, if you like
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16:13<austeregrim>I'm building a pxe server, where the clients would get their packages from the same server (local cached) so that multiple clients can be built with less internet comm
16:14<austeregrim>i'm sure you've figured that out
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16:15<mshuler>yeah, I used to maintain the network installer infrastructure at Rackspace - used approx there on the PXE server, too, then edited sources.list post-install to our public mirror
16:15<mshuler>austeregrim: preseed is your friend :)
16:16<austeregrim>preseed?
16:17<mshuler>automate all the things! https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed
16:17<austeregrim>I'm used to setting up basic servers with CD installs, and ubuntu desktops... I'm venturing into the server mass build world testing at home. So a lot of things are new to me.
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16:18<austeregrim>ah yes preseed, makes sense
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16:19<mshuler>austeregrim: I have done some crazy automated installation setups - last time I touched that system, the initial boot via syslinux handed out 8 pages of menu items to choose from, with ~100 possible OS installation options
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16:19<austeregrim>wow
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16:19<mshuler>super fun system to work on
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16:20<mshuler>and if the box was in a particular network, it just auto-installed with no human intervention
16:20<mshuler>bare metal auto deploy and cluster join
16:20<austeregrim>shame i don't have the resources at home to set up something that extensive
16:21<mshuler>5 boxes or 5000 - it's all the same
16:21<austeregrim>I've just got about 6 boxes that I'm trying to play with
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16:21<austeregrim>do you mind if i msg you mshuler?
16:21<mshuler>sure
16:22<mshuler>well, no, I don't mind ;)
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16:46<blawiz>i have a quite fresh install of wheezy, and trying to do: apt-get install nvidia-glx ... and i get these errors: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9974176/pastebin
16:47<mtn>blawiz: please paste your sources.list
16:48<Nik05>apt-cache policy
16:48<blawiz>mtn: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9974176/sources.list
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16:49<mtn>blawiz: how about what Nik05 asked for?
16:50<Nik05>oh sorry should have stated it was a question :)
16:50<mtn>blawiz: do you want to do your support over on freenode or here?
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16:50<mtn>Nik05: he is on two servers, so is pretty busy I guess
16:50<Nik05>oh
16:50<blawiz>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9974176/policy
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16:51<blawiz>here
16:51<blawiz>"paused" freenode, thought it was dead :)
16:52<mtn>blawiz: unless you installed things from testing or sid earlier, I don't see the problem
16:53<blawiz>hmm.. i have installed some deb packages, not sure if they are testing or what, like dropbox and qtfm, yad
16:53<blawiz>maybe something else i dont remember
16:53<Nik05>oj
16:53<blawiz>firefox
16:53<Nik05>per user or?
16:54<Nik05>oh wait no sorry you installed with .deb
16:54<blawiz>i only have one user (but i guess the system is set up for multiple users=
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16:54<blawiz>yup, like dpkg -i package.deb
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16:54<Nik05>blawiz so apt-get install nvidia-installer-cleanup isnt working?
16:55<blawiz>E: Package 'nvidia-installer-cleanup' has no installation candidate
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16:57<blawiz>'sudo apt-get update' looks good
16:57<blast007>you need the contrib repo as well
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16:58<Nik05>oh wait he only has main
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16:58<blawiz>how do i add contrib?
16:59<Nik05>add it in sources.list
16:59<blawiz>deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib ?
16:59<Nik05>yes
16:59<blawiz>ahh cool :)
16:59<Nik05>also put it after the security one
16:59<blawiz>add it to security too?
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17:00<Nik05>nvidia-installer-cleanup is in contrib
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17:01<blawiz>hmmm hard to know from the original error :S "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
17:02<mtn>blawiz: do an update after changes, then run first command again
17:02<mtn>blawiz: the error messages aren't always really helpful, that is for sure
17:02<blawiz>yup, looks like its going to work this time :)
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17:05<blawiz>thanks guys, looks good now :)
17:05<Nik05>nice
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18:00<puffy>hello all? I'm wondering if anyone knows what encryption standard debian full disk uses ---luks? like what is the key rate on that 128 1024...?? : )
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18:27<armando>ciao
18:28<EmleyMoor>!it
18:28<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:48<oem>gostaria de saber se alguem sabe como autenticar no kde
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19:49<oem>eu ainda ñ sei mexer com linux
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19:49<oem>alguem pode me ajudar???
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19:51<oem>alguem online??
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19:54<oem>any brazilian in that room???
19:54<mshuler>yes. oem: #debian is english, please, or try #debian-br
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19:56<Aiglos>Hey guys, i recently had some faulty powercables connected to my disks which resulted in my raid10 crashing. Now i cant reassemble it, i get errors like no superblock on sdc and on the other three it says that there are no suitable drives.
19:57<mshuler>ick.
19:57<mshuler>Aiglos: hardware disk controller, or software raid?
19:57<Aiglos>softwareraid using mdadm, debian
19:59<mshuler>I only once had to add a new disk to an mdadm RAID5 array due to it failing, but it was completely trouble-free
20:00<Aiglos>Thing is, first i took out the two disks that were "faulty" and put in two new ones, at 50% reassmbly it crashed
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20:01<Aiglos>also my os disk failed so i switched it out and installed debian anew, before i did that i couldnt add any disk to that raid, and still the same with a fresh os.
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20:03<mshuler>ugh. I'm not going to be any help.. but even in working with hardware controllers in the past, I've always done one disk at a time - wait for it to finish rebuilding, then on to the next - lather, rinse, repeat
20:03<mshuler>sounds like too many changes at once, to me
20:04<Aiglos>tried 1 at first
20:04<Aiglos>as i said at 50% it crashed :/
20:04<mshuler>and I've never used RAID5 or any striped arrays for anything but disposable data
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20:05<Aiglos>Used Raid 10
20:05<mshuler>yes, a mirror of stripes
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20:05<mshuler>if two sides of the same stripe died - the entire array is gone
20:05<Aiglos>I know
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20:06<mshuler>so you're trying to start fresh, or trying to retrieve data, Aiglos?
20:06<Aiglos>I want to retrive data
20:07<Aiglos>get it all back
20:07<mshuler>right
20:07<Aiglos>I had just started to back up my virutal machines that was on those disk
20:07<Aiglos>but i was too late
20:07<Aiglos>was like 20
20:08<mshuler>yep, thrashing marginal disks usually ends in murphy's law
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20:09<Aiglos>It seems like all disks has superblocks
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20:10<mshuler>I have to run some errands and then dinner, Aiglos - hang out, and perhaps someone can help
20:10<Aiglos>Lets hope so
20:10<asmar>hi
20:11<Aiglos>hey
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21:32<quietone>network manager seems to assigning the home router as the dns
21:32<quietone>how can I change that?
21:33<abrotman>change it on your dhcp server on your router
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21:37<oem_>hi
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21:37<quietone>abrotman, the router is set with 2 IP addresses for DNS, both are for my ISP
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21:41<quietone>Also, the options button in NetworkManager is clickable but does nothing
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21:45<chealer>quietone: it's the DHCP configuration which needs to be changed
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21:47<Airwave>quietone: The router still probably runs a DNS server, and uses the DNS servers you have assigned to query.
21:48<Airwave>So your computer asks the router, who asks the manually specified DNS servers.
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21:49<quietone>confused. if I change resolv.conf to the DNS in the router http is way faster
21:51<Airwave>Use some kind of DNS benchmarking software if you want reliable benchmarks on which DNS is faster.
21:51<Airwave>E.g. namebench.
21:52<quietone>and my partner (ubuntu) gets different values in resolv.conf than me
21:53<Airwave>I'm afraid I have to go now. Hopefully someone else can help you out.
21:53<Airwave>Sorry.
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21:55<sney>it's probably just ubuntu configured with different default behaviour than debian
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21:55<abrotman>and it should be irrelevant anyway
21:56<sney>well, some routers have crappy dns forwarding or are slow when doing that and forwarding packets etc
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23:36<kichigai>Hello. I'm trying to dual-boot my custom PC between Windows 8 and Debian. However, my UEFI Start Partition seems to be NTFS formatted, which is throwing the Debian Installer. Any advice?
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23:39<kichigai>S?? ? ????
23:40<chealer>kichigai: what do you mean by "throwing the Debian Installer"?
23:40<kichigai>It just errors out because it can't write to the ESP
23:41<kichigai>Because of the whole NTFS thing.
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23:44<TCW>kichigai, I guess creating an EFI-partition for debian alone could solve that issue.
23:45<kichigai>TCW, But I'm trying to dual-bot.
23:45<kichigai>*boot
23:46<TCW>kichigai, so what? The two systems EFI stuff does not have to be on the same partition, they can but they don't have to.
23:47<chealer>kichigai: "it" being the Debian Installer? the Debian Installer errors out?
23:47<kichigai>chealer, yes.
23:48<chealer>kichigai: what are the errors?
23:48<kichigai>TCW, I haven't had much experience with EFI, so I haven't any idea what such a thing will do. Pardon. I haven't dual-booted a machine for more than six, seven years.
23:48<kichigai>chealer, it can
23:48<kichigai>chealer, It can't write to the ESP.
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23:49<chealer>kichigai: but what do the errors read?
23:50<TCW>kichigai, at least I was kind of new to EFI myself until last week, still rather fuzzy on the edges of the territory and I read of setups like that while trying to figure it out on myself. I did a merged EFI-partition in the end, but others obvioulsy don't I guess... search on google
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23:51<TCW>chealer, I guess it has major problems reading / writing on NTFS. Anyway, quite weird that the EFI partition is not fat32.
23:52<kichigai>chealer, Cannot write.
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23:52<TCW>kichigai, he is asking for the *exact* error message
23:52<kichigai>TCW, I've done a few searches myself, but so far...
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23:52<TCW>the whole shebang
23:52<kichigai>TCW, pardon, I shall have to go boot the machine.
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23:53<kichigai>TCW, I'll /part for now, and come back once I am in front of the machine.
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