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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-08

---Logopened Sun Sep 08 00:00:10 2013
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00:00<kichigai>TCW, it'll be slightly longer than initially accepted. I can't find the flash drive I was booting from, so I'm "burning" another.
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00:02<TCW>http://www.bulloz.com/data/Screenshot-from-2013-06-23-080220.png <- kichigai, see that screenshot. It is from a howto that does create a separate EFI partition for debian. The howto is in german, but you can "pipe" it through google translate I guess http://www.bulloz.com/debian-gnu-linux/dualboot-windows-8-debian-7
00:02<TCW>http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bulloz.com%2Fdebian-gnu-linux%2Fdualboot-windows-8-debian-7&act=url
00:04<TCW>the howto does go some strange ways for my taste, but as long as it works...
00:05<TCW>rather looks like someone not knowing exactly what he does and just knitting stuff together to the best of his knowledge, but it does match your starting position (NTFS EFI partition) remarkably well :)
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00:08<kichigai>TCW, well, this ain't my first barbecue, just my first time mucking with Windows 8
00:08<TCW>kichigai, so I guess skip the live-cd crap and do it all with d-i
00:08<kichigai>Will do.
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00:09<TCW>the interesting part is the second EFI-partition, which can be created quite fine withing d-i itself I guess
00:09<TCW>within even
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00:11<TCW>oops... second look... the first EFI is fat32... weird...
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00:15<TCW>bbl
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00:46<eko>haaaaiiii, everybody :-D
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01:22<kichigai>I'm back!
01:23<kichigai>TCW, I have the installer
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01:23<kichigai>TCW, running right now.
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01:28<kichigai>TCW, http://pastebin.ca/2445464
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02:28<Misa3l_>hi i need help.. i have a error.. E: No se pudo realizar la configuración inmediata de «openjdk-6-jre». Consulte la página de manual con «man 5 apt.conf» bajo «APT::Immediate-Configure» para más información. (2)
02:28<Misa3l_>i update debian 6 to 7
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02:30<Misa3l_>hi i need help.. i have a error update debian 6 to 7 .. E: No se pudo realizar la configuración inmediata de «openjdk-6-jre». Consulte la página de manual con «man 5 apt.conf» bajo «APT::Immediate-Configure» para más información. (2)
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02:34<zeev>Hi, does anybody know why there is no /etc/dconf on Wheezy? Should I create this manually? or is it located in some other place?
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02:36<themill>dpkg: tell Misa3l_ about squeeze->wheezy failures
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02:46<Misa3l_>thank themill this command apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 FOUND!
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02:53<fghd>Misa3l_, try purge openjdk, and then dist-upgrade
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03:20<austeregrim>I cant figure out the damn preseed file within wheezy and a pxeboot
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03:21<austeregrim>does anyone have a complete one that I can use and modify
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04:47<nocturnal>austeregrim: http://paste.debian.net/36801/ here's mine for deploying wheezy
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07:02<JacobZ>Hi, I'm running wheezy and when I restart my machine hangs while trying to stop 'Ahavi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon'. Anyone get that?
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07:19<SynrG>hmm, we have x-www-browser and sensible-browser, but neither of them does what i really want: if i have a browser open (any browser) then any new requests to open URLs should be sent to the current running browser, no matter what it is. is there a solution for this already and i'm just missing it?
07:20<SynrG>that is, supposing today i decide to use iceweasel, then clicking a URL (in an email, in irc, etc.) should open in iceweasel. but tomorrow i use chromium, then those clicks should open in chromium instead.
07:21<SynrG>i find myself vacillating between the two because of features exclusive to each.
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07:21<SynrG>but to just open a random page, any browser will do ... and i don't want to eat the enormous cost of extra memory running both at once.
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07:24<abrotman>SynrG: huh? you want it to use $random_open_browser ?
07:25<SynrG>why do you call it random? i deliberately choose to open in a browser which means "for this session i have chosen to use this browser"
07:25<SynrG>and why shouldn't all subsequent requests to open URLs go to that browser?
07:25<abrotman>right, but it's not explicitly named as the alternative?
07:25<SynrG>right
07:25<SynrG>"random" sounded dismissive. sorry to be a bit defensive :)
07:26<abrotman>i'd guess you'd have to write a wrapper script to look to see what browsers are running, then open the URL in a new tab
07:26<SynrG>so this problem requires detecting the running browser, then sending a request to it. doesn't sound hard.
07:26<SynrG>then fall back to a reasonable default (say, sensible-browser or x-www-browser)
07:26<SynrG>if no browser is detected
07:27<abrotman>seems that way
07:27<SynrG>i'm just shocked nobody solve dit
07:27<SynrG>solved* it*
07:27<SynrG>or if they did, their solution has very low visibility
07:29<SynrG>so i think what it wants to work properly is, each browser registers two tiny scripts in a /etc/*.d directory: 1. am-i-running? and 2. open-url-in-tab (arguably, most modern browsers handle the latter just fine by default)
07:30<SynrG>then you could use the alternatives system to find each browser in order of preference, then run am-i-running for each ... then run open-url-in-tab for the first one returning true
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07:30<SynrG>but this would require the cooperation of all browser maintainers to support
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07:31<SynrG>careful about too trivial an implementation of am-i-running, because that has to detect not just if a process exists and is owned by you, but is in your current session
07:32<SynrG>maybe there is some generic solution to that using dbus that means you don't need /etc scripts per browser?
07:33<abrotman>can't just use a pgrep?
07:34<SynrG>not necessarily. let's say i have two sessions, my current desktop sessions and a second one for vnc
07:34<SynrG>session*
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07:34<SynrG>pgrep could detect two browsers and send to the wrong one belonging to the wrong session
07:35<SynrG>s/send/and then the script will send/
07:36<SynrG>supposing each browser registers via dbus "I can handle http and https", then wouldn't it be possible via dbus to shout out "someone handle this"?
07:36<SynrG>(though in the case of two browsers being open at once on the same session, i don't know how that gets resolved ... first one wins? last one wins?)
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07:41<SynrG>or am i imagining a capability (broadcast requests) that dbus simply doesn't have?
07:43<SynrG>(hmm, even if you can broadcast, we probably don't want to because then there's no coordination between browsers as to who opens the URL)
07:43<SynrG>not without some kind of handshake here first
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07:47<elglas>morning everyone, question for the day is, how do I setup partitioning in preseed.cfg to force the use of 4k sector alignment?
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07:50<abrotman>SynrG: it doesn't sound impossible, but I agree, seems like something that would have already been solved
07:51<SynrG>yes. asking on #debian-devel since it's really a matter of coding :)
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07:52<abrotman>i see
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08:01<nathp92>can anyone help with booting a Ubuntu "live usb" to a slate? I've run into a few errors (no live bootable media found; restart hi-speed usb). I've started working on a PXE bootable Ubuntu image, but I haven't ever setup a TFTP server or DHCP server, so thats not working out well either.
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08:02<abrotman>nathp92: this is #debian, not #ubuntu
08:03<nathp92>I realize that, but I wasn't sure if anyone here could point out an easy solution
08:03<abrotman>i'd probably ask #ubuntu as a start to that solution
08:03<nathp92>Since I am on a computer running Debian
08:04<nathp92>Will do
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08:05<nathp92>Well, lets forget the Ubuntu part, and could anyone explain (or point me to a good resource) setting up a TFTP server on a Debian sever for PXE booting?
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08:06<elglas>nathp92, as it turns out, I'm making one right now
08:06<abrotman>nathp92: this is #debian, not a general support channel
08:07<abrotman>nathp92: I won't ask you to use #ubuntu again
08:07<elglas>nathp92, pm me, and I'll screenshare my install process, or run you through it on mumble
08:07<nathp92>alright abrotman, I didn't mean to offend anyone, I'll head over to #ubuntu
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08:45<TCW>SynrG, about if your "problem" isn't already solved somewhere... I bet it is, in some *very* hackish ways several times for several users. But no sane solution yet, as yet, most users only use one browser or have no issue with changing it once for several sessions and not every session... it is just not that much of a needed feature, but sure, nice to have anyway.
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09:01<SynrG>TCW: thanks for the affirmation :)
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09:09<TCW>SynrG, what was the affirmative part in my message? :)
09:09<val_erie>I have wheezy , where I installed flashplugin-nonfree after adding contrib and non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list , but it doesn't seem to work. Cromium doesn't play youtube at all and Iceweasel' videos are of very low quality.
09:10<abrotman>are you actually using it?
09:11<TCW>val_erie, update-alternatives --config flash... something, look in that folder how the plugin is called
09:11<SynrG>TCW: "nice to have"
09:11<SynrG>i know it's not a common use case
09:11<SynrG>and that probably many people have hackish solutions (that really aren't robust in all the corner cases)
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09:13<val_erie>abrotman, in iceweasel's plugins I have Shockwave Flash. Is it what is supposed to be installed when I install flashplugin-nonfree?
09:16<val_erie>TCM , I used update-alternatives --config flashplugin-nonfree and got update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for flashplugin-nonfree
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09:18<TCW>val_erie, ls -l /etc/alternatives|grep flash
09:19<val_erie>TCM, I got lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Sep 1 2013 flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so
09:20<TCW>val_erie, I did forget to privide the foldername in where you should look how that flash-thingie is called for the alternatives-framwirk. ANd there you see it is called flash-mozilla.so
09:20<TCW>val_erie, so make a gugess, how should the update-alternatives command look like?
09:20<TCW>guess even
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09:22<val_erie>TCW, ok, I am just slow
09:22<TCW>val_erie, I can live with that, I guess :)
09:23<val_erie>TCW , is it : update-alternatives --configlibgnashplugin.so ? Do I get an A+?
09:25<mshuler>the .so file is the symlink target - you want to configure the link name - you get a B-
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09:26<patrick_>hi
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09:29<val_erie>mshuler, then it is update-alternatives -- config flash-mozilla.so ? I can live with C+, as long as youtube is working
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09:29<walada>i need help. After trying to instal "fog" for imaging I had no access to my hdd anymore
09:30<walada>after rebooting I receive a Kernel Panic error with cannot execut /sbin/init permission denied
09:30<mshuler>val_erie: you know, I'm not certain that would actually work, but you have the right idea - just drop the .so file extention
09:30<walada>anyone knows what is going on or how I can fix that?
09:30<mshuler>I didn't actually notice that the extention is added
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09:33<mshuler>val_erie: you can 'update-alternatives --display flash-mozilla' to see the options before running --configure
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09:33<mshuler>I don't have flash installed, so I'm fairly certain it doesn't use the .so extention - I could be wrong
09:34<val_erie>mshuler, I get update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for flash-mozilla
09:34<mshuler>so try with .so
09:35<val_erie>mshuler, I get: link currently points to /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so
09:35<val_erie>/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so - priority 10
09:35<val_erie>Current 'best' version is '/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so'.
09:36<mshuler>switch to --config and pick the one you want
09:36<Guest5953>side question, does gnash actually play any common web streaming sites?
09:37<mshuler>Guest5953: it is tested on youtube, from what I understand
09:37<mshuler>other than that, I'm not sure
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09:39<val_erie>mshuler, , you mean I should use: update-alternatives --config libgnashplugin
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09:42<mshuler>val_erie: nope - use your successful --display example
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09:50<val_erie>mshuler, I get errors. Problem is I don't know what I am exactly doing
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09:51<walada>nobody?
09:51<mshuler>val_erie: use paste.debian.net - include the full error with command line and all, then paste the link
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09:52<mshuler>walada: sounds like hardware
09:52<val_erie>mshuler, which command ? update-alternatives --config libgnashplugin.so ?
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09:53<mshuler>val_erie: go back. what was your successful --display command?
09:53<mshuler>(it wasn't libgnashplugin.so)
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09:55<val_erie>mshuler, I used update-alternatives --display flash-mozilla.so and got flash-mozilla.so - auto mode link currently points to /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so - priority 10 Current 'best' version is '/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so'.
09:56<mshuler>val_erie: good. you displayed the current alternative. now configure it.
09:59<val_erie>mshuler, so, the best alternative is libgnashplugin.so and I need to use : update-alternatives --config libgnashplugin.so ?
09:59<mshuler>you are overthinking this, val_erie
09:59<mshuler>s/--display/--config/
10:00<val_erie>mshuler, I don't really know this stuff
10:00<mshuler>you are displaying and confguring the _link name_
10:01<mshuler>libgnashplugin.so is the target
10:01<mshuler>the link name is what?
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10:01<val_erie>mshuler, flash-mozilla.so ?
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10:02<mshuler>val_erie: A
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10:03<mshuler>flash-mozilla.so is the _link name_ that you are configuring to point somewhere other than the current libgnashplugin.so
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10:04<mshuler>update-alternatives is a fancy wrapper around 'ln -s'
10:05<val_erie>mshuler, the command : update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so gives me: There is only one alternative in link group flash-mozilla.so (providing /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so): /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so
10:05<val_erie>Nothing to configure.
10:06<mshuler>I came in a bit late - had you not installed flashplugin-nonfree, yet?
10:07<mshuler>'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' (after adding non-free, and 'apt-get update' of course..)
10:07<val_erie>mshuler, yes I did that
10:07<mshuler>sorry, val_erie, I thought you already had adobe flash installed and ready to configure
10:08<mshuler>val_erie: 'dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree' give you a line beginning with "ii" and a version, etc?
10:09<val_erie>mshuler, yes
10:09<mshuler>what the..
10:09<mshuler>someone that actually uses flash care to chime in?
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10:16<val_erie>mshuler, thanks for trying to help
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10:18<mshuler>val_erie: you know how to configure it, now - I think looking for a possible install/blob_fetch issue is the problem, maybe
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10:20<mshuler>val_erie: please paste your full command line and output of 'dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree' and as root, 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' on http://paste.debian.net/ - let's see where that gets us
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10:24<val_erie>mshuler, http://paste.debian.net/36910/
10:24<mshuler>bingo - it's not really installed.
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10:25*mshuler looks at https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
10:28*mshuler looks at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=86198
10:28<mshuler>val_erie: what does 'date' show on your system? is it correct?
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10:29<val_erie>mshuler, no, it is not correct
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10:30<mshuler>val_erie: as root, try running 'ntpdate-debian' (if it's not installed we'll set manually)
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10:31<val_erie>mshuler,
10:31<val_erie>bash: ntpdate-debian: command not found
10:31<mshuler>you can set it with 'date -s "15 OCT 2012 9:00:00"' for example - adjust that for your own time and today's date
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10:33<mshuler>'date -s "08 SEP 2013 9:33:00"' in my case (what's inside the single quotes)
10:34<val_erie>mshuler, it is set Sun Sep 8 09:30:00 CDT 2013
10:34<mshuler>try 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' again
10:35<val_erie>mshuler, it is installing :)
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10:35<mshuler>yes!
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10:36<mshuler>val_erie: now you should be able to 'update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so'
10:38<val_erie>mshuler, I don't think I need to do update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so . youtube is working perfectly! Thanks!
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10:39<mshuler>val_erie: does 'update-alternatives --display flash-mozilla.so' show it pointing to non-free, or are you still using gnash?
10:40<mshuler>I would think you'd need to switch it
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10:41<val_erie>mshuler, link currently points to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
10:41<val_erie>/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so - priority 50
10:41<val_erie>/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so - priority 10
10:41<val_erie>Current 'best' version is '/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so'.
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10:41<mshuler>whoops, but yay!
10:42<dvs>We'll help ya but we'll boot ya!
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11:00<bodhi32>salve, a tutti e tutte
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11:02<sney>!it
11:02<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:11<gotwig>I just compiled wayland, and it seemed to be really fast
11:11<gotwig>like only 30 minutes on a pentium4 is this normal?
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11:13<valdyn>gotwig: thats slow
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11:13<gotwig>valdyn, its actually faster, but still, how is it so fast
11:13<gotwig>didnt believe my eyes
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11:13<valdyn>gotwig: why do you think that its fast?
11:13<gotwig>valdyn, well if you compile X11, WELL
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11:14<gotwig>valdyn, compiling any other gtk library takes longer
11:14<gotwig>thats why
11:14<valdyn>gotwig: now if you compared the sizes of Xorg and wayland...
11:14<walada>hmmm
11:14<walada>hardware?
11:14<valdyn>gotwig: or the size of gtkk
11:14<valdyn>gotwig: wayland is quite small in comparison
11:14<walada>when I boot the system with a live CD I can access everything and even execute init
11:14<walada>from the mounted local drive
11:15<walada>any chance I can repair the system?
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11:20<avnish>iam using ubuntu 12.5 but cant hear sound from speakers
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11:20<gotwig>here is my wayland build log http://paste.debian.net/36948/
11:20<gotwig>avnish, this is not ubuntu channel..
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11:21<sney>!ubuntuirc avnish
11:21<dpkg>avnish: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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11:27<sney>gotwig: that looks like mostly warns, not errors
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11:27<jason_>hello
11:27<gotwig>sney, yeah, two tests failed
11:27<gotwig>sney, but the lintain stuff should be fixed, for a upload right?
11:28<sney>yes
11:28<gotwig>sney, there are no real lintain errors, I just didnt configure everything exact yet
11:28<gotwig>*lintian
11:28<sney>ok.
11:28<gotwig>sney, you see the ubuntu stuff, and the commiter name can be changed
11:29<gotwig>stuff like W: libwayland-dev: manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry usr/share/man/man3/wl_socket.3.gz however is often there
11:29<gotwig>but this is not my fault, I just package it
11:29<sney>if you're packaging wayland then the warns about the manpages are still your problem
11:30<sney>you could delegate it to a better writer, but you should still make sure the documentation meets debian's standards
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11:32<gotwig>hm http://lintian.debian.org/tags/manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry.html
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11:34<gotwig>sney, so I gotta use patches for this?
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11:34<sney>ask the experts, but that would be my guess
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11:36<gotwig>wayland is such a big fish ;X
11:36<gotwig>what ever, I am going to work on my diff
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13:04<patwotrik>anyone know anything of bugs in kde plasma for jessie?
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13:05<patwotrik>the computer freezes completely after a couple of minutes after i have logged in
13:05<patwotrik>but it works fine if i use fvwm
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13:10<ac>hello, has anyone here ever succeeded in recording a screencast using ffmpeg with ALSA ?
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13:20<abrotman>ac: there are tools made for recording your screen
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13:21<ac>I try to record games, so I would like to use minimalistic CLI tools
13:22<ac>abrotman: I've already tried these anyway, it doesn't work either with ALSA, IIRC
13:22<nocturnal>I would use xvidcap but that doesn't capture sound.
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13:22<nocturnal>I have no experience with this but my initial thought is that you'd have to use something more complex, or capture sound separately and edit it into the video.
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13:24<nocturnal>http://askubuntu.com/questions/22336/how-to-record-internal-audio-with-xvidcap-not-with-microphone this was interesting
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13:24<ac>nocturnal: what do you mean by caturing sound separately ? with a hardware device ?
13:24<nocturnal>no with another program
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13:25<grandie>hi, is it possible to change a username system wide
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13:25<abrotman>yes
13:25<ac>nocturnal: well, I've tried arecord, same result : an audio file, but no sound
13:26<grandie>where do i need to look for documentation to do it
13:26<nocturnal>grandie: usermod -l newname oldname
13:26<grandie>nocturnal: thank you
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13:26<nocturnal>read man usermod too, there might be other things you want to change manually
13:28<freddo63>is there anyway to manually control a laptop's fan from wheezy?
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13:28<mgv>freddo63: look at fancontrol
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13:33<freddo63>ok, so fancontrol asks me to run pwmcontrol first, which checked and found no pwm sensor modules installed
13:34<freddo63>can I still use fancontrol?
13:34<mgv>I don't think so
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13:34<abrotman>if it's a tihnkpad, there's thinkfan
13:35<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, if i'm using a public network and install some software/update through that network using apt-get, is there a way for unwanted software be installed such as being redirected to something else? for example if I use apt-get install X, can Y be installed instead if there's something that's redirecting traffic in the middle? or is everything safe?
13:35<freddo63>bummer, i'm in brazil and their thermal grease here is crap, so it seems to be curing less than a year after they put it in...
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13:35<abrotman>freddo63: you can always re-grease
13:35<babilen>dpkg: tell paranoidphreak about secure apt
13:36<sney>but I bet thermal paste is like 50 bucks in brazil.
13:36<babilen>freddo63: managed the installation?
13:36<freddo63>and now my laptop's running 73 C and I'm still trying to use it for another couple of weeks before my friend gets a bottle of artic silver from the US
13:36<freddo63>yea it is!!! and it's still cheap shit
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13:36<paranoidphreak>babilen: thanks
13:36<abrotman>freddo63: you oculd also clock the CPU down to run slower, less heat?
13:37<freddo63>babilen: I did, and I ended up running quartus and it ran fine, I later went ahead and put in various libraries anyways,a although it still didn't take some libs
13:37<babilen>paranoidphreak: In short: No, unless you allow it.
13:37<babilen>freddo63: Great! :)
13:37<sney>or make your own thermal paste out of cheap toothpaste. I've heard you can do that, get the flavorless stuff, sand a piece of conductive metal and mix the shavings in. that's basically what arctic silver is anyway
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13:38<freddo63>abrotman: do I do that only from the bios? I haven't done that since the days of pentium 2s
13:38<paranoidphreak>babilen: got it
13:38<sney>freddo63: most modern CPUs support throttling through software
13:38<sney>!cpufreq
13:38<dpkg>The Linux kernel CPUfreq subsystem supports frequency scaling on mobile (and some desktop) x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It provides an interface for throttling processor speed, to save power when the system is idle. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#cpufreq . See also <speedstep>, <coolnquiet>, <longhaul>, <intel_pstate>, <power saving>.
13:38<freddo63>sney: since computers here are ridiculously priced, i'd prefer to stay on the safe side and just stop using my laptop if I can't keep the temp down
13:38<sney>you can basically tell it "don't speed up, ever"
13:39<freddo63>so what happens if I'm trying to watch some porn and the cpu wants to throttle up to max?
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13:39<freddo63>sorry for that example, it's just that that's about the only thing that takes my cpu up very high
13:40<SamB>freddo63: find some less lower-def porn?
13:40<SamB>s/less //
13:40<freddo63>hahahah
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13:40<sney>if you have the cpufreq governor set to not speed up, then it won't.
13:40<freddo63>good idea
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13:40<sney>you'll just get lag instead, depending on what you're doing
13:40<abrotman>freddo63: you'll just have to be more congizent of your CPU resources
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13:40<freddo63>cool
13:41<freddo63>yeah i paid a store to re-grease my lappy, and they did a crap job of it and the comp wouldn't start anymore
13:41<freddo63>I opened it up and they had overdone it with grease, as soon as I wiped up the excess it was fine
13:42<sney>wow, you should have saved the extra
13:42<sney>bottle it, make $50
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13:44<freddo63>hehe, I wasn't thinking at the time, but you're right, although I hadn't expected to need to use it
13:44<freddo63>at least back in the P2 days I never thought about regreasing, i had thought it was a one shot deal
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13:45<freddo63>and considering lappys are fairly closed up although these days they're starting to become fairly easily dismantleable, I hadn't expected there would be a neeed to regrease
13:45<freddo63>how often do you guys regrease?
13:45<sney>then it often was, since you had a larger die surface area to work with, they could just give you 4 square cm of thermal tape and it was fine forever
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13:46<abrotman>you rarely did a re-grease for a PII, they were slotted, and didn't generate as much heat
13:46<sney>I haven't regreased in forever, though I need to soon because my heatsink fan is dead and I'll need to do it when I get a new one
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13:46<freddo63>hmm, for wheezy is there a recommended minimum freq i shouldnt go below?
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13:47<freddo63>right now i'm running at 2.3GHz I think, which is what the cpu is sold as
13:47<sney>wheezy runs on the raspberry pi. there isn't a set minimum, just certain things will be slower
13:48<sney>'cat /proc/cpuinfo' will tell you a bunch of things about your cpu including the current frequency
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13:50<freddo63>ok, that's funny, my processor is supposed to be 2300, but it's running at 1700, does wheezy automatically throttle it down at higher temps?
13:50<sney>most modern laptop cpus throttle themselves when they aren't being used for anything intensive
13:50<sney>it's for battery life
13:51<sney>by modern I mean anything newer than a PIII
13:51<freddo63>ok
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13:53<freddo63>also does iceweasel normally use so much system resources (when multiple tabs are open) even though those tabs aren't necessarily active?
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13:57<mshuler>freddo63: yep
13:57<katerina>aspettarda qui
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13:59<Guest5979>cannot get wifi to work
13:59<freddo63>babilen: i forgot to say though, ldd still claimed quartus was missing various libraries and I'm not sure I understand why it would do that
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14:00<Guest5979>wifi help newbie
14:00<musca>!wifi
14:00<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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14:01<Guest5979>broadcom
14:01<musca>/msg dpkg broadcom
14:01<abrotman>which one?
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14:02<Guest5979>i think i tried synaptic did not work
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14:05<Guest5979>command not found sorry im slow have brain injury
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14:06<Guest5979>wait a minute typred it wrosng
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14:08<Guest5979>got bunch of package options
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14:08<def>Can anybody to help me with jigdo? I'm in #debian-cd, nobody answers there.
14:08<Guest5979>mg
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14:10<musca>Guest5979: don't panic.
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14:11<Guest5979>i installed mg
14:11<abrotman>def: why use jigdo?
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14:12<humaid>holla
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14:14<def>It is only one way to download all 10 DVDs: jigdo. It is economical for updating images: reusing of packages that have not been changed.
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14:15<abrotman>def: why would you want all 10 DVDs?
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14:17<SamB>abrotman: perhaps he's moving to antarctica
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14:18<def>Internet connection is not wide and stable; have some friends; may go to Antarctide. All 10 DVDs I already have, now want to reform them to one-two BDs.
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14:19<def>BDs will be comfortable for virtualbox.
14:20<abrotman>SamB: you joke ...
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14:20<abrotman>def: but they have jigdo for blu-ray
14:22<def>Yes, they have. But when I point the directory with DVDs to scan, it scans them each, then it writes "I found 0 of ~17000 packages requested by the template" and begins downloading again.
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14:24<def>I want to reuse packages from DVDs, I can just reform DVDs to BDs without downloading. I just don't know algorithm for terminal.
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14:24<abrotman>maybe check how it records which packages it has?
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14:36<freddo63>so i went and got myself cpufrequtils to throttle my cpu, and while reading up on the debian wiki how to on it, I ran cpufreq-info, which told me that there were three available freq steps; does this mean I can only run the cpu at these specified steps?
14:37<sney>that's how it usually works without hardware intervention
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14:37<freddo63>ooh interesting, i just spotted another line that says my cpu is currently running at 800, but being that the gov'r is on demand, i suppose it's allowed to change whenever needed
14:38<freddo63>according to the wiki, i can alter the governor's behavior through /etc/sysfs.conf?
14:38<sney>if that's what the wiki says
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14:41<freddo63>wheezy uses linux-2.6 or something else by default?
14:41<sney>,kernels
14:41<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc7-686-pae (3.11~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
14:41<sney>3.2
14:42<freddo63>cool, so is linux-doc-2.6 still useful though?
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14:42<sney>mostly. the number change didn't represent a big difference in the programming. 3.0 was actually 2.6.40
14:43<valdyn>freddo63: when you have cpufrequtils installed you should read its documentation, not just the kernels
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14:44<freddo63>valdyn: the wiki suggested me to find more info from governors.txt in a certain folder included by the kernel docs
14:44<freddo63>but i'll check it out thanks!
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14:44<SamB>freddo63: you can install a newer one, like linux-doc-3.2
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14:44<freddo63>SamB: looks like aptitude included both when i requested 2.6
14:45<freddo63>valdyn: strangely, man cpufrequtils claims there is no man page...
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14:45<sney>!readme.debian
14:45<dpkg>README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
14:45<valdyn>freddo63: /usr/share/doc/cpufrequtils
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14:46<freddo63>=D
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14:49<freddo63>can i screw anything up badly while trying to lower my cpu freq if my minimum is 800? the README.Debian file is surprisingly short...
14:50<valdyn>freddo63: you cant screw anything
14:50<valdyn>freddo63: or theres way to change volate on some cpu, which could be dangerous, but thats not what cpufrequtils can do
14:51<freddo63>ok
14:51<abrotman>voltage?
14:51<valdyn>*voltage*
14:51<valdyn>yea
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14:53<freddo63>it seems that cpufreq-set "mode" does what I was looking for it to do
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14:55<freddo63>i noticed cpufreq-info labels the freqs with percentages, can anyone tell me what those percentages mean?
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14:55<freddo63>is that an avg measure of how often it's at that freq?
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14:57<cyberhack>hey people
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14:58*abrotman looks for people
14:58<cyberhack>not for people for helpers :P
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14:59<freddo63>cyberhack: good response!! =P
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15:00<freddo63>even after cpufreq-set conservative, the govnr still allows the cpu to go up to 2300, is there a config file I'm supposed to be modifying to keep it down at 800?
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15:01<cyberhack>i need help
15:01<abrotman>with?
15:01<abrotman>dpkg: tell cyberhack about ask
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15:01<cyberhack>i want to install remotedesktop in debian but not install
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15:03<cyberhack>record my desktop ssorry
15:03<cyberhack>gays
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15:18<rsmith>I have a script in /etc/pm/sleep.d to mute and unmute audio before and after suspending. According to the log, upon resume, the script is invoked with both "resume" and "suspend": /var/log/pm-suspend.log:/etc/pm/sleep.d/20_mute-audio resume suspend: success. The result is that audio is muted after resuming. Likewise, when I suspend, the script is invoked with "suspend suspend", which works OK, but is strange. Any pointers or su
15:18<rsmith>ggestions to correct this?
15:19<sney>well, it's calling suspend both times as well as the behaviour you want
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15:20<adga>hello!!!
15:20<sney>hi
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15:59<f8l>def: Are you still in need of help with jigdo?
15:59<serge_>http://rghost.ru/45360347
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16:04<freddo63>is there some sort of widge like the one i have for temperature that shows me CPU freq in the lower right hand corner of lxde?
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16:12<wdoodle>hello, I a
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16:17<wdoodle>hello, (I'll try again), I have minicom on one computer talking to the serial port of another computer, thus offering me a serial console to that other machine. Was working. No longer get anything on the serial console. Nada. minicom stays blank and mute. no boot data, no prompt. getty is dutifully waiting on the server end. Only change is an upgrade sqz-whzy on the client end. Any suggestioons as to where to look?
16:18<wdoodle>server was and still is running squeeze
16:19<wdoodle>also, thought it might have been the cable, but a quick continuity test showed all the right pins matching at each end. Made and tested a second cable just to be sure. still didn't work
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16:20<Ryccardo>I'd think of /etc/inittab, but never had a similiar problem
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16:21<wdoodle>Is there anything you would look at other than having the appropriate line to put getty on the serial port, and making sure that getty was in fact running on /dev/ttyS0?
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16:24<wdoodle>anyway, the only change was on the client side, not the server/inittab/getty side, so I can't think of what to look at on the server side
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16:29<mshuler>wdoodle: on the client are you trying to use /dev/ttyS0 - does it exist - does /dev/ttys/0 exist? /me wonders about devfs
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16:29<wdoodle>I had another look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html, but nothing there struck me as likely to cause such a prob
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16:30<wdoodle>mshuler: using a serial to usb dongle. it creates /dev/ttyUSB0, and it is there
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16:31<mshuler>hmm.. does it load the usbserial kernel module (or something like that)
16:32<mshuler>been a while since I played with serial consoles - makes me want to go out to the garage to fetch my v120 and light up the little afterburner fan it it :)
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16:33<mshuler>aw, I don't have a serial port on my lappy any more, either - so I'd need to find a usb-serial
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16:34<wdoodle>if I'm reading lsmod correctly, plugging in the dongle loads pl2303 which depends so loads usbserial
16:35<mshuler>that sounds ok, then
16:35<wdoodle>s/depends so/depends on, so/
16:35<mshuler>I had an old 3G dongle that needed coaxing to load usbserial, thus the question
16:37<wdoodle>worth asking, I hadn't to see if the modules were stil there
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16:45<mshuler>wdoodle: have you tried anything other than minicom, like cu?
16:45<wdoodle>tried screen, pre-upgrade, I'll try it now
16:46<mshuler>I'm looking at my connection to a sheevaplug jtag - '/usr/bin/cu -s 115200 -l /dev/ttyUSB0'
16:46<mshuler>that's the only thing that I use that's close to what you're doing
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16:50<wdoodle>screen doesn't want to do it either
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16:52<esseks>how can I prevent debian installer from installing virtualbox-guest-dkms and virtualbox-guest-utils when installing inside a VirtualBox?
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16:54<mshuler>esseks: I just installed a fresh wheezy vm a couple days ago and it does not have any virtualbox packages installed - it's only a standard system, not a desktop
16:55<mshuler>esseks: you can 'aptitude why <pkgname>' to see why it was installed
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16:57<esseks>mshuler, after a few tries I got that virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 was installed by Wheezy installer.
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16:58<esseks>I did it few minutes ago, and this is the very first boot.
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16:59<mshuler>esseks: sounds like there is some detection of the fact it's a vbox guest, so they get installed
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16:59<mshuler>that's pretty neat, imo
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17:00<esseks>mshuler, yes that's a nice feature and I usually like it (having some 12 Wheezy VMs), but this time I was trying to experiment with a minimal install...
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17:02<mshuler>you could just remove them, if you don't want them :)
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17:03<mshuler>I'm not clear on what type of install you selected - couldn't be a base install, otherwise I would think I would have gotten them with a standard install
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17:04<esseks>mshuler, yes, actually it was a base install. First thing I did was "aptitude remove...", but I thought there must be a clean way
17:05<mshuler>interesting
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17:07<atilla>hi all, I installed wheezy a couple days ago and now want to use my printer. I installed cups and googled for hours now to figure out why I cannot authenticate on the web interface. It does neither accept the root user nor any other user. I also added both to the lpadmin group. Has anyone heard of that issue in wheezy or has an idea how I could approach this issue? Log: http://pastebin.com/vBpKqTHD
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17:12<mshuler>atilla: did you log out / log back in, after adding your user to lpadmin group?
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17:14<mshuler>I don't have a root login and use only sudo (root account is locked) - I log into cups administration pages with my normal user/pass who's an lpadmin member
17:14<atilla>mshuler, yes I did
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17:15<mshuler>hmm..
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17:18<KeyboardNotFound>i missing firmware for my wireless adaptar, how i can install it ?
17:18<mshuler>atilla: is there more in /var/log/cups/error_log that might help?
17:19<mshuler>!wifi
17:19<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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17:20<mshuler>KeyboardNotFound: you can '/msg dpkg xxxxx' for those additional help notes (whatever is inside of the <xxxxx>)
17:21<KeyboardNotFound>how i can install firmware for my wireless adapter ?
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17:22<mshuler>KeyboardNotFound: you would 'apt-get install packagename' but it depends on what you have, as dpkg so helpfully detailed
17:22<mshuler> /msg dpkg what's my wireless
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17:23<KeyboardNotFound> /msg dpkg what's my wireless
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17:23<mshuler>try without the leading space character :)
17:24<atilla>mshuler, http://pastebin.com/1kDC2Bv5 . that is the debug mode logging ...
17:25<mshuler>cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. and cupsdIsAuthorized: username=""
17:25<mshuler>you need to fill in something :)
17:25<KeyboardNotFound>i have this wireless card: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection how to install firmware for it ?
17:25<mshuler>!intel
17:25<dpkg>Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN adapters, ask me about <iwlwifi>, <ipw2200>, <ipw2100>. For support of Ethernet controllers, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <ia64>, <isci>, <speedstep>.
17:26<atilla>mshuler, that tells me that the username is transported to the script but for some reason it does not authenticate
17:26<mshuler>!tell KeyboardNotFound -about iwlwifi
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17:30<mshuler>atilla: I'm at a bit of a loss - cups just works for me, and has since forever - I'm not really sure
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17:32<atilla>mshuler, thanks anyways for taking a look. but something is going very wrong there and I have no idea why. I this time not even modified the default config file or anything that could have really screwed it...
17:32<mshuler>here's all the cups packages I have installed: http://paste.debian.net/37136/
17:32<mshuler>not sure if there's something really different maybe
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17:33<mshuler>yeah, I've only ever had to add a printer or two, and sometimes kill a job at the univeristy, if it didn't like something
17:34<atilla>are you on wheezy, too?
17:34<mshuler>oh, I'm on jessie - sorry about that, I forget
17:34<atilla>ok
17:35<mshuler>it worked ok on wheezy, too, until I upgraded to testing a few months ago
17:36<mshuler>I usually follow testing, then when a release happens I wait a few months on stable, then start tracking testing again
17:37<atilla>got you. maybe i will have a bit of sleep and i have ideas to solve it, tomorrow. it somehow got me thinking though ...
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17:40<|Angel|>hello
17:40<mshuler>o/
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17:41<|Angel|>ðóññêèå åñòü?
17:41<esseks>|Angel|, unicode problems?
17:41<Ryccardo>yeah, Unicode works :)
17:41<esseks>I am experimenting with a NAS and I would like it to send email notifications, but I don't need to receive mail, nor I want it. So, when installing Postfix, what "configuration" should I choose?
17:42<Ryccardo>hm, I'm more fluent with Exim
17:43<esseks>Ryccardo, actually I've no preference and no experience too, simply I read that Exim is more powerful while Postfix is safer, so I went with the second.
17:43<mshuler>esseks: I've always used exim, since it's the default, but it will be similar: network server, listen only on localhost, set a mailname
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17:43<esseks>mshuler, when configuring postfix, a dialog appears asking to choose a profile (or configuration, I don't remember). I am referring to that...
17:44<mshuler>when you dpkg-reconfigure postfix, it should be pretty self explanitory
17:44<esseks>mshuler, unfortunately, not to me :(
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17:44<mshuler>try to answer the questions, and ask if you get stuck
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18:13<blue_>I attempted to use avconv to take PNG stills from a video file at a designated interval using the fps filter, but I got an error that there is no fps filter. Why do I not have the fps filter? Is there a separate package to install it or something?
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18:17<mshuler>blue_: does 'avconv -filters' list anything interesting?
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18:20<mshuler>I haven't used avconv - was just looking at the man page
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18:25<mshuler>I love 1000 page man pages :/
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18:27<blue_>The man page describes using -r, I had read somewhere that there was a bug with that option and that it was recommended to use the fps filter, but that may have been fixed sometime ago...
18:27<mshuler>yeah, I just found an example of 1 second intervals: avconv -i videofile.avi -vsync 1 -r 1 -an -y 'videofolder/videoframe%d.bmp'
18:28<blue_>maybe I should just use -r instead then
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18:32<mshuler>blue_: that worked for me for png files - cool :)
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18:52<Agentc_handy>hi
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19:09<fanda5>hola
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20:03<keeble>olá
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20:06<keeble>hellow
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20:16<mdik>how can i get a list of all the manually installed packages
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20:17<babilen_>dpkg: tell mdik -about aptitude clone
20:18<mdik>babilen_: "clone"?
20:19<babilen_>yes, that is what I wrote
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20:19<babilen_>mdik: The aptitude search expression is exactly what you are looking for, I wouldn't get hung up over the name of that factoid.
20:21<mdik>babilen_: sorry. yes. i first thought "clone" was a aptitude command until i saw the query pop-up...
20:21<mdik>thank you!
20:21<babilen_>np
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20:39<rsmith>dpkg: tell rsmith -about aptitude clone
20:39<abrotman>dpkg: tell rsmith about selftell
20:39<rsmith>doesn't tell me anything, ugh
20:40<abrotman>rsmith: find your msg window
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20:40<rsmith>thanks!
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21:14<Osiris_X>is there a specific IRC channel dedicated to WINE in debian?
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21:16<abrotman>Osiris_X: in Debian, no .. but is your question related to Debian, or getting wine to operate correctly?
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21:17<Osiris_X>abrotman: it is about packaging wine properly in debian. I recently did it with version 1.7.0 and the sbuild seemed to go fine. But on installation, the binaries have not been installed :(
21:18<abrotman>so you actually have packaging questions?
21:18<Osiris_X>abrotman: yes but I do believe they are wine specific
21:18<abrotman>!tell Osiris_X about mentors
21:19<abrotman>that may be so, but the mentors channel is probably a better place to ask
21:19<Osiris_X>but I guess you will suggest I go to #debian-mentors
21:19<Osiris_X>ok
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21:24<Osiris_X>Depending on when I plugin my external firewire HDD, I get it appearing at different mount points (I understand this to be the result of udisks and udisks2 being in some sort of competition?!?!) - if the drive is plugged in during boot, it typically appears at /media/<username>/ and when plugged in once gnome is up it appears at /media/
21:25<Osiris_X>How do I get consistency in this?
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22:18<k-man_>i can never seem to get copy paste to work between a debian guest and the vmware console on a windows host - is there some trick being able to paste between them?
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22:44<chealer>k-man_: ask vmware
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23:05<jumpwah>debian stable (wheezy) doesn't boot from usb stick, what to do? (stays at black screen)
23:07<hfp>Hey guys, I'm trying to fit some ASCII art in /etc/issue.net and it doesn't like my "\". It is escaping them messing up the design. And if I escape them myself in the file then it still adds an extra "\" to escape the escape... What am I missing?
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23:08<chealer>jumpwah: the installer?
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23:11<jumpwah>chealer: i used unetbootin to 'burn' the iso, is that what you mean?
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23:14<jumpwah>i got the debian live image via torrent
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23:40<traffiq>Wow, I am really liking Xubuntu. :D
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23:59<hagom>has someone been able to make an apt-build world?
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