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---Logopened Tue Sep 10 00:00:13 2013
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00:17<Cloudstrike>Hey, i have a little problem, i rented a server from and they only have debian 7 minimal without any raid and i need Raid 0 can somebody here help me to setup this?
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00:18<Cloudstrike>also serverloft wont help me in this situation and also they only have raid 1 as installing image
00:18<Cloudstrike>for raid systems
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00:41<nyov>Cloudstrike: i don't see them offering any storage systems, so my guess is you want soft-raid0 on a little pizzbox with only 2 disks. my advice is: don't
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00:43<Cloudstrike>i know but the files get pushed from a other server with raid 1 and if this server get broken then thats not imporant because it is a fileserver
00:43<Cloudstrike>there i have 2 x 2TB HDD
00:43<nyov>but if you need it, man mdadm. and remember it means your root fs will be on raid, you should use mdadm on partitions to have a small bootloader partition up first, and if a disk breaks all is gone
00:45<nyov>you might need an out-of-band access to your server (IPMI, KVM) to reinstall the box. otherwise that could get tricky
00:45<Cloudstrike>i know the risk of raid 0 but i need it because serverloft does not provide it, i have server now at worldstream and they have sw raid 0 directly but serverloft doesnt provide that
00:46<Cloudstrike>i can boot the server into rescue
00:47<Cloudstrike>i will not get IMPI or KVM on this system :/
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00:49<nyov>well, mdadm is your friend. it does linear and raid0
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00:53<Cloudstrike>thanks but i will need a tutorial or something like that because i only know the basics of debian and i dont know how to setup a raid system. normaly my systemadministrator would do that but he is for few weeks on holiday so i have to do that for now
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01:02<vorte>whats the point of running debian with the kfreebsd kernel?
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01:14<nyov>Cloudstrike: erm well... roughly speaking you'd boot into your rescue mode, make sure you have all the needed tools in your environment or download them into the ramdisk/tmpfs, repartition your disks, creating your softraid on the (exact same) respective disk partitions, format the raid and mount it, debootstrap a debian on there, mount-bind your proc/sys/dev, chroot into it, finish the debian install, set up the bootloader on the boot partition. reboot and hope
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01:16<nyov>hope that covers it, it's been a while. how easy that gets depends on what your rescue mode brings, best case scenario it's a small debian itself with debootstrap, dm and mdadm on there already
01:16<retrospectacus>raid is a fool's game. backups are where it's at!
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01:17<sney>both, though
01:17<nyov>that are two different usage types. backups != raid
01:17<Cloudstrike>this would be too much for me i would better ask in a board who can do that for me because i dont know how to do that with the rescue what you told me xD
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01:18<nyov>maybe d-i can do something like that. haven't seen it in a while, but remember it could do raid, lvm and cryptdisks on a new debian install pretty elegantly
01:22<nyov>Cloudstrike: whats the reason for a raid0 here if I may ask? the bandwidth capacity that much bigger than the disk i-o? I wonder if soft-raid0 would actually bring a big boost there
01:22<Cloudstrike>i need the capacity of 4 TB and on this server i have 2 x2 TB HDD
01:23<nyov>have you considered LVM?
01:23<Cloudstrike>this would be a file or streamserver on the system and on the masterserver i have raid 1 which the files get converted with ffmeg and pushed via rsync to the raid 0 servers
01:24<Cloudstrike>on the channel here i got a recommendation for LVM but at first i have to know how to setup LVM
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01:27<nyov>okay I admit, I might favor raid0 there too.
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01:28<nyov>for LVM, you could keep your partitioning scheme if you have a root partition already. just reformat the 'data' partition on disk1 and the other disk, put LVM as filesystem and add a volume group that spans both disks
01:28<nyov>wouldn't need to get into the rescue-mode and reinstall thing then
01:29<Cloudstrike>what about the performance with LVM ? is the read-performance the same as Raid 0?
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01:33<nyov>i can't truly say, but I don't think it's much worse. if the chunk size and alignment stuff is done right, same as with raid. it also can do striping similar to a raid0
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01:37<nyov>you might want a GPT-aware fdisk there
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01:37<nyov>e.g. cgdisk
01:40<nyov>so it seems you'd need to shrink your root fs before repartitioning, and adding the LVM partitions there. unless you want LVM beneath everything, but then you're back at square one, to reinstall the whole thing
01:41<Cloudstrike>yeah :/
01:42<nyov>or if you're lucky, your system already sits on LVM. try 'dmsetup status' and 'pvdisplay' to check
01:43<Cloudstrike>i hate serverloft or the whole company because they have the cheapest server in europe but they have a terrible support :/ I was happy with worldstream but they dont want me because i have to much bandwith usage
01:44<Cloudstrike>Kommando nicht gefunden. = command not found.
01:44<nyov>well, cheap and good support don't add together very well
01:45<nyov>ok then you're out of luck
01:46<nyov>or maybe I should have said 'extensive free support' there
01:47<Cloudstrike>hmm i could try to ask the support of serverloft because before i asked at the sales department. maybe they can help me but remote hands on the server would cost 39€ for 15 minutes (saw that on their page)
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01:53<Cloudstrike>why nobody use Raid 0? maybe it is not good at read performance but the capacitiy would be at maximum xD
01:57<Cloudstrike>lol i called the support at phone and opened a ticket and he said that they dont provide raid 0 also he was not so friendly because i opened a ticket and called few seconds later thought they can help me but then i would move to or to leasweb and cancel now the server
01:58<vorte>is compiz still in debian??
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02:02<nyov>Cloudstrike: things should actually be pretty simple there. your filesystem is likely some ext, so it will shrink pretty well, you resize it to something along 5-10GB or what you need for the system itself, then repartition the disk to fit that size. then add another partition and dump LVM on it.
02:03<nyov>the second disk is likely empty, so you just use the whole thing for LVM aswell. add your volume group and logical volumes and you're done
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02:05<Cloudstrike>i would if i know how to do that so as i said before i only know the basics so i dont worked with partitions, only what i know is how to look if a harddrive have a failture so i can tell the support to replace it and after then it rescyned but this is raid 1 so i am not fimilar with setting up raid 0 or lvm so i search a tutorial or if somebody else would do that for me
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02:05<vorte>dpkg compiz
02:05<dpkg>Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also or #compiz on
02:05<nyov>if learning that is beyond you, then sorry, but an unmanaged root server might not be such a good thing
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02:11<Cloudstrike>nyov: i know
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02:23<neo1691>Hello guys, my wifi now works only within a small range from the router? This never used to happen before and on other laptops the the wifi gets connected to large distances, in other rooms also
02:23<neo1691>Ay help?
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02:26<twb>"sudo -ulogcheck logcheck" complains because /var/lock/logcheck doesn't exist and it doesn't have permissions to create it.
02:26<twb>That's a tmpfs now -- /var/lock -> /run/lock -- so what's *supposed* to be happening there?
02:27<twb>In other cases with tmpfs's, an init script creates the dir shortly after boot. That doesn't seem to be happening here.
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02:31<twb>Never mind; I restarted and the problem went away. I must've screwed up when I was shuffling mount points around
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02:32<twb>Aha -- because /run *and* /run/lock are tmpfs's, and somehow I lost the latter mount.
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04:33<patwotrik>skype is really hard to get to work in jessie
04:33<patwotrik>anyone know how to do it?
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04:40<gnugr>patwotrik:check it there and read
04:41<patwotrik>gnugr: allready tried it
04:42<patwotrik>i used that when i had wheezy
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04:44<gnugr>works same with jessie, no differencies unless you have some missing packages
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04:45<gnugr>you are with "testing" and you must know what that means
04:46<patwotrik>i tried to install skype 2 but i did not manage to fix dependencies
04:46<patwotrik>and skype 4 works, except the sound
04:46<SynrG>use google hangouts instead?
04:47<patwotrik>yes i know it's testing, and i do expect trouble, but if anyone has a solution it would be stupid to not ask
04:47<SynrG>use wheezy instead?
04:47<SynrG>i don't. but #debian-next might
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04:47<gnugr>for sound probs with skype pavucontrol will help you out
04:48<patwotrik>SynrG: is this channel only for stable?
04:48<gnugr>yes, indeed
04:48<patwotrik>ah :)
04:48<SynrG>primarily. we won't turn you away ...
04:49<SynrG>but #debian-next is specifically for testing/unstable
04:49<SynrG>so we do encourage people to use that
04:49<patwotrik>i didnt know that, but thanks
04:50<SynrG>many of us inhabit both
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05:17<kozmo>Hi, I am trying to write a little sed script to change all '^' in some files to '**'. The problem is that sed keep matching '^' with the beginning of lines then refuses to sub out the following one or more '^' in the line.
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05:18<kozmo>I tried using '\^' to eliminate matching the beginning of lines, although that fails to do the job.
05:18<bhuddah>kozmo: did you try \\ too?
05:19<kozmo>I have to escape the excape charater? I'll try.
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05:19<bhuddah>kozmo: sometimes it's complicated because of the shell/script and the quotes and so on...
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05:21<kozmo>bhuddah: Doh! That seems to have done the trick, thanks.
05:21<bhuddah>kozmo: np.
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05:45<xubuntu>xubuntu channel?
05:45<xubuntu>hdmi audio instworking
05:46<peter1138>dpkg, xubuntu
05:46<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
05:47<xubuntu>should i try the amd /ati proprietary with updates?
05:47<xubuntu>or with out updates?
05:48<xubuntu>the computer fans are making more noise that usual
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06:00<fabn>ni hao
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06:01<fabn>hi gry
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06:03<fabn>are you real name?
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06:05<SynrG>fabn: this is the debian support channel. not for social chat
06:05<devil_>fabn: do you have a debian related question?
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06:05<SynrG>rima ...
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07:42<kanliot>i'm running wheezy and i'm getting tired of network-manager, since i have a wired connection to my network, is it ok just to do an apt-get remove network-manager ?
07:44<kanliot>k doing it thx
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07:45<zathras>kanliot, unless you are also using it for other stuff like vpn
07:45<kanliot>naa i am using the machine for tons of stuff, none of which network-manager is helping with
07:46<kanliot>thx again
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08:04<nulll> /load .xchat2/
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08:13<Maulkin>Hi there, can we help?
08:14<rench>do i know how to upgrade gnome3.4 to 3.8 in debian wheezy
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08:16<Maulkin>rench: generally, you can't at the moment.
08:16<abrotman>rench: you really can't .. 3.8 is only in experimental currently
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08:16<Maulkin>rench: Eventually, it may become available via backports (/msg dpkg backports) but it's likely to be quite tightly tied in to other components, so may not be availabel
08:18<Khades>i doubt
08:18<rench>ok thanks :)
08:18<Khades>it would be backported
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08:29<SlowLikeASnowFall>hello !
08:30<Maulkin>hi there
08:31<SlowLikeASnowFall>i'm having trouble with a 4-years old laptop ...
08:31<SlowLikeASnowFall>smthg like ... Xorg up to 70% on top
08:32<SlowLikeASnowFall>i wonder how to check the graphic acceleration modules from shell
08:33<Maulkin>What version of Debian are you running?
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08:34<SlowLikeASnowFall>i'm under ubuntu 12.04 but ... debian was my motherland first ...
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08:36<SlowLikeASnowFall>i update/grade/dist-upgrade all stuff, install --reinstall all xserver-xorg, tried to read some logs (but this is froghtful...)
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08:37<SlowLikeASnowFall>plenty of errors, didn't find out which was the real pb... which is Xorg running slow..
08:38<jm_>!ubuntuirc SlowLikeASnowFall
08:38<dpkg>SlowLikeASnowFall: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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08:41<SlowLikeASnowFall>@jm_ & dpkg : ok, i know about this but i used to be a debianist for a long time before installing ubuntu for job pruppose (need "stability", was under experimental).. and i used to come here...
08:41<mshuler>that's nice.
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09:13<Maulkin>Hi there
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09:13<cinqu>hats up
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09:30<faew>join /debian-boot
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09:56<knoppixjaja>Is anyone here?
09:57<knoppixjaja>This is the first time I am using xchat
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09:57<Taerom>I'm here
09:57<Taerom>aaaaand you're not
09:57<Taerom>first time using xchat, o youth...
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09:58<Taerom>hey knoppixjaja
09:58<knoppixjaja>Hello Taerom :P thanks for replying :)
09:59<knoppixjaja>I am typing from knoppix
09:59<Taerom>it's pretty quiet in here so far
09:59<Taerom>yeah I guessed that from your nick ;)
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09:59<themill>quiet channel means no bugs which is good.
10:00<knoppixjaja>I have been searchign for the most appropriate live distro for my aged laptop and finally I found knoppix but there is a problem
10:00<knoppixjaja>usually a laptop is like [ ] but the USB makes it look like this [ ]_
10:01<knoppixjaja>and it does not boot from SSD xD
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10:01<knoppixjaja>oh sorry.. I mean Memory card
10:01<themill>#knoppix is on
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10:02<knoppixjaja>themill, can I ask you something?
10:02<knoppixjaja>it is debian based
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10:04<knoppixjaja>well nvm.. I suppose the information I am looking for shoulb better be asked for in a forum
10:04<Taerom>08:00:00 <knoppixjaja> I have been searchign for the most appropriate live distro for my aged laptop and finally I found knoppix but there is a problem
10:04<Taerom>maybe look at antiX?
10:04<Taerom>(pronounced like "antiques")
10:04<Taerom>I use that on my ancient (2005) toshiba laptop
10:04<Taerom>it's awesome
10:04<Taerom>also debian-based
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10:05<Taerom>or not :D
10:05<txt-file>Taerom: ?
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10:06<txt-file>or just installing a normal debian to a usb device
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10:13<Guest6204>Gdy œci¹gam debiana widzê , ze torrentow jest a¿ 8 cd1, cd2 itd kazdy zawiera inny obraz czy debian jest az na 8 CD?
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10:14<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on pl is also <perl>.
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10:21<[1]goku>If I download torrents from debian page i see 8 diffrent torrents with 8 diffrent CD Images. What I should download?
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10:22<themill>[1]goku: the installer is the same in each of them, you are just downloading different packages in a different order.
10:22<themill>The netinst or CD1 or DVD1 would all work fine
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10:23<[1]goku>Debian isn't enormous and don't be at 8CDs?
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10:24<themill>It's many more CDs than that, but you don't need to download them all.
10:25<[1]goku>What diffrents is each this CDs, where I may found info?
10:25<SynrG>packages are sorted with the most commonly needed ones first.
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10:27<[1]goku>Thanks :)
10:27<SynrG>also see
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10:28<SynrG>possibly also the one above it:
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10:36<priatna>hello....any body home?????????????
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10:37<Yoda-BZH>too late
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11:28<Taerom>hi mehdi_
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11:39<black>Hello my kde apps look horrible in gnome please help me
11:40<Taerom>hey black, don't want to ignore you -- I don't know how to help with that particular problem, but if you stick around, someone can probably help :)
11:40<Taerom>it's kinda quiet in here but you'll eventually get a response from someone who has an idea
11:40<Maulkin>black: What version of Debian are you running, and how do you mean "horrible"?
11:40<Taerom>see? :D
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11:41<black>:D debian 7.1 my vlc apps looks very oldish (windows 95)(no offence)
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11:42<Maulkin>black: do you have a screenshot perhaps? vlc isn't particularly a KDE application
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11:43<black>i mean all qt apps
11:43<black>i think it has to be done with uniform theming
11:45<Maulkin>black: Yeah, that doesn't look like your default theme
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11:47<black>so please can anyone help me?
11:48<Maulkin>black: Try goign back to the default theme?
11:49<Maulkin>Does that make it better for you?
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11:49<black>it doesnot help
11:50<Maulkin>black: Can I see a screenshot with the default theme please?
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11:50<black>its same just borders are changed
11:50<Maulkin>It may look similar, but it's probably not the same.
11:51<mshuler>ah, sounds like you want to search for actual vlc skins - that's a different thing from the desktop theme (won't touch vlc, other than color)
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11:52<black>no its not for vlc libreoffice etc are also looking that way
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11:53<mshuler>yeah, saw that already - looks exactly the same for me, except that I use a dark desktop theme
11:53<mshuler>the *skin* is identical
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11:54<mshuler>not sure if libreoffice has skins
11:55<mshuler>desktop themes, window and icon dressing only gets you so far - the underlying application is still going to present you with the interface that it has
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11:56<mshuler>I rather like the default vlc interface - super simple and to the point - what's not to like?
11:56*mshuler plays devil's advocate
11:56<Taerom>I never really see the vlc interface, since I immediately go into full screen
11:56<black>o bye
11:56<Maulkin>black: I think I see the issue
11:56<black>i wanted uniform themes
11:56<Taerom>but I can understand how annoying it is to see a bunch of purty windows with your desired theme, and then a big ugly Win95 lookin' thing
11:57<l4v>hello, may someone help me with fsck ? From time to time I can't mount some of my mdX filesystems because of superblock errors. I can run fsck.ext4 -v -f -b 32768 /dev/md1 and every time it fixes inodes count and group descriptor checksums. I have 2 filesystems with the same problem: md0, md1 and md2 and I can play with md0 as it's not used anymore so I can play with it.
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11:57<Maulkin>black: Do you have kde-config-gtk-style installed by any chance?
11:57<Taerom>I get my uniform themes by only using console apps. elinks and vim look the same! unified UI!
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11:57<black>nope lemme install
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11:57<Maulkin>black: you may already have it installed, check
11:58<Maulkin>Also, gtk2-engines-oxygen
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11:58<black>nope it was not
11:58<mshuler>something like kaffeine or kplayer may give a more uniform look with all the other kde apps
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11:58<Maulkin>black: I *think* those two may sort it for you
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11:58<black>install ing on my 256 kbps connection
11:58<black>thanx in advance
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11:59<mshuler>Maulkin: gtk2-engines-oxygen looks interesting - huh.
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12:00<mshuler>but that's oxygen -> gtk - as in, if running kde app on gnome?
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12:02<Maulkin>mshuler: I believe that kde-config-gtk-style should probably sort it, but also installing gtk2-engines-oxygen should a) keep it installed and leed to a more consistant system and b) give a good choice next time to change that theme if a) doesn't work :)
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12:07<l4v>does anybody knows why fsck -f -y -b <value> <device> fixes some errors every time I run it ?
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12:08<l4v>I thought it should be fixed after the first pass when it said so..
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12:08<mshuler>l4v: first: back up your important data, now.
12:08<sney>l4v: if it's consistently finding errors every time you run it, even if you run it immediately after, then your disk is failing
12:09<Maulkin>l4v: Sounds like it could be a dud hard drive...
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12:09<mshuler>I went through a very similar issue on a server - a few fs errors here and there - turned into complete failure in a short time
12:09<sney>that's how it goes
12:09<l4v>those are md raid1 drives
12:10<mshuler>doesn't matter - raid is not backups
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12:10<mshuler>raid fails
12:10<l4v>mshuler: true..
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12:10<Maulkin>l4v: Assuming you have backups; is there anything in smart?
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12:10<mshuler>your filesystem corruption could very well be propogated to the raid, mirroring bad data
12:10<l4v>I have one device I can play with as I'm not using it anymore
12:11<l4v>whenever I run fsck -f it doesn't find any problems but
12:11<l4v>from time to time it cannot boot one of them (all are located on the same 2 hard drives)
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12:13<l4v>I checked all I could with smartctl - no errors as well
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12:14<l4v>and if it would be a problem with one of the drives than my raid1 should fail it - am I right ?
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12:21<mshuler>Maulkin: for fun, I installed kde-config-gtk-style and gtk2-engines-oxygen - found the configuration widget in kde settings - vlc looks identical to my eye :)
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12:24<SaSteDD> Does anyone know how to install KScreen?
12:26<mtn>SaSteDD: it would be best if you explained your problem fully
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12:27<retrospectacus>if the answer isn't "apt-get install kscreen" then you'll have to go to the support venue of KScreen.
12:27<retrospectacus>if it is, then see !bat
12:28<retrospectacus>(i.e. we generally don't support things that are not in Debian)
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12:34<nome>ken Dara *_* *-*
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12:46<vineed>hello guys what is this
12:46<vineed>i am new here
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12:47<musca>hello vineed, you reached the debian support channel.
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12:56<vineed>what is it used fro musca???
12:57<retrospectacus>vineed: getting answers for your debian support questions
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12:58<dpkg>[debian] See
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12:59<vineed>so y isnt any one asking qusns???
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13:00<sney>I guess nobody needs help right now.
13:00<retrospectacus>because debian is awesome and works perfectly for everyone all the time
13:00<vineed>lol :D
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13:00<retrospectacus>except when it doesn't, and then they will ask. We'll be waiting
13:00<vineed>what is the major diff bet red hat and debian i m new to linux
13:01<Maulkin>vineed: Well, for a start, you appear to be running Ubuntu
13:01<sney>packaging and /etc structure, I think. and policy
13:01<retrospectacus>vineed: the social contract, organization, and packaging system. But that is not a support question
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13:21<RumCoco>Hi, I posted my problem earlier but I hope somebody could provide help on this today
13:22<RumCoco>I had a server running Debian Wheezy 7 and suddenly I was not able to access my disk anymore. A script was running and I got a lot of "permission denied" errors
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13:22<RumCoco>When I rebooted the machine I get a kernel panic
13:22<RumCoco>the following is stated on the screen:
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13:23<RumCoco>modprobe: module dm-raid45 not found in modules.dep
13:23<sney>sounds like filesystem corruption.
13:23<RumCoco>Scanning for Btrfs filesystems
13:23<sney>are you using a fakeraid?
13:23<RumCoco>switch_root: can't execut '/sbin/init': Permission denied
13:23<RumCoco>not that I know
13:23<RumCoco>I also don't use btrfs
13:24<RumCoco>my /boot is a ext2 and / is a ext 4
13:24<sney>can you mount the volumes from a livecd?
13:24<RumCoco>There's only one disk in the machine
13:24<RumCoco>no problems
13:24<sney>fsck them
13:24<RumCoco>any switches?
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13:25<RumCoco>on my way :)
13:26<RumCoco>Debian LiveCD or will linux mint do it as well?
13:26<RumCoco>or netinst?
13:27<sney>shouldn't make a difference. well, I'm not sure offhand if the netinst has fsck
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13:44<RumCoco>so I ran #fsck /dev/sda1 -f
13:44<RumCoco>this would be the /boot
13:44<RumCoco>no errors
13:44<RumCoco>same for /dev/sda2
13:44<RumCoco>no errors
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13:44<RumCoco>sda2 would be "/"
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13:55<RumCoco>oh dear, your "huh" doesn't sound good
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13:56<RumCoco>two things I don't understand, why does the system try to load dm-raid although no raid is configured
13:56<RumCoco>2. why does the system try to access btrfs while I'm using ext2/4
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13:56<jack>Quick question. I'm trying to format my USB with GParted, and all of the options are faded and non clickable. Why is this? How can I fix it?
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13:57<retrospectacus>jack: unmount it
13:57<jack>It's busy.
13:58<retrospectacus>well you can't format it while you're using it.
13:59<jack>I'm not though.
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13:59<retrospectacus>well, you are. Even being "cd" into the mounted directory counts as using it
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14:01<jack>Before this I was trying to format it with mkdosfs, and I didn't pay attention to what directory I was cd'ed into.
14:02<retrospectacus>that wouldn't have worked either
14:02<retrospectacus>mkdosfs needs it to be unmounted too
14:02<jack>Why not?
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14:02<SynrG>the OS could have unflushed buffers.
14:02<sney>RumCoco: can you try a different kernel?
14:02<SynrG>you don't want it being written to when it's being reformatted ...
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14:05<RumCoco>sney: I can try but there is no other kernel available on the system. So if this is possible I need some guidance here
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14:06<sney>if you can chroot in with one of those livecds then you can install a second kernel from a deb package
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14:08<RumCoco>cool I'll try that
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14:08<RumCoco>I'm currently creating a debian live USB
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14:15<RumCoco>sney: live debian has been booted
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14:15<tim__>Hi. I did a netinstall on a little notebook last night, the firmware-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso. It worked fine, except I seem to have some problems with connections. I can connect to my wireless connection, but it can't seem to do anything. I tried apt-get update and also going to sites in iceweasel
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14:16<sney>tim__: are you getting an ip address?
14:16<miky>shut uppppppppppppppppp
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14:16<tim__>I am thinking it may be because of my choice of repository during the install. I chose the one of a large university near me. but I'm not sure if it's right because I just remembered they changed name a while ago
14:16<tim__>sney: just a second
14:17<retrospectacus>can you ping ?
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14:17<tim__>sney: I have an IP address
14:17<sney>if you were able to install a gui with the firmware netinstall, then that mirror is at least functional
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14:18<sney>can you do what retrospectacus asked?
14:18<tim__>retrospectacus: just ping in terminal?
14:18<tim__>retrospectacus: Yes, I can
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14:18<tim__>I am getting lots of packets
14:18<sney>dns issue, then
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14:20<tim__>so what can I do, sney?
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14:20<retrospectacus>your dhcp server is supposed to provide dns servers.
14:21<sney>change your nameservers. try 'dig @'
14:21<retrospectacus>tim__: check /etc/resolv.conf for them
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14:21<retrospectacus>tim__: if you're not using DHCP you'll have to put some in there manually.
14:21<tim__>retrospectacus: I seem to be assigned a DNS number
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14:22<sney>sometimes ISP dns servers will just fail, though, so try the command I gave you and see if you get a result
14:23<tim__>sney: I typed it in
14:24<tim__>sney: I did it and it says 1 server found, but connection timed out as no servers could be reached
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14:24<sney>huh, ok
14:24<retrospectacus>seems to indicate DNS is blocked somewhere
14:25<retrospectacus>tim__: you said there are IPs in /etc/resolv.conf ?
14:25<retrospectacus>try them instead of in the dig command
14:25<tim__>retrospectacus: I have nameserver 'IP address'
14:26<tim__>retrospectacus: same thing, but I wrote dig @IP, bit without a domain name at the end like in the original command
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14:27<tim__>I'll try it with the name in the resolv.conf, but it's the same
14:27<retrospectacus>no, put
14:27<retrospectacus>e.g. dig @
14:27<sney>tim__: the dig command is requesting the ip address for from the ip address in the @
14:28<tim__>ok, same thing
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14:28<retrospectacus>tim__: consult your network administrator regarding his broken network
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14:29<retrospectacus>(dhcp provided that nameserver but it does not function)
14:29<tim__>retrospectacus: the network should be fine. I'm using the same connection to write this, without issues
14:29<retrospectacus>tim__: on the working PC is it using the same nameserver?
14:30<tim__>retrospectacus: how can i tell?
14:30<retrospectacus>same file
14:30<retrospectacus>unless it's windows, in which case "ipconfig/all" will show it
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14:30<retrospectacus>on cmd.exe
14:31<RumCoco>sney: I've mounted sda2 ( / ) to /mnt and sda1 (/boot) to /mnt/boot and sda4 (/home) to /mnt/home . How do I proceed ?
14:31<tim__>it's linux mint. and it seems to be different
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14:31<tim__>the nameserver on the debian notebook is a name, but here it's like a shorter IP kind of address
14:31<retrospectacus>tim__: it should still be /etc/resolv.conf
14:32<retrospectacus>what? you said it was an IP
14:32<tim__>right, sorry
14:32<tim__>got it mixed up
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14:32<tim__>but nameserver here on Mint is different
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14:33<tim__>should I just copy it over?
14:33<retrospectacus>tim__: change it on Debian to be that IP which works
14:33<tim__>retrospectacus: will do
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14:33<retrospectacus>it won't solve the problem for long though. Your DHCP server seems to be fucky, or there are multiple dhcp server (very bad)
14:35<tim__>doesnt work either
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14:37<ompaul>tim__: nameservers are ips they have to be
14:37<retrospectacus>tim__: what is the nameserver IP on mint?
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14:37<ompaul>tim__: if you see a name it is the "domain" that is being searched
14:37<ompaul>nothing too important
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14:37<sney>RumCoco: mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev ; mount -t proc none /mnt/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys
14:38<tim__>retrospectacus: the Mint resolv.conf also has two 'OpenDNS fallback'
14:38<retrospectacus>tim__: so... your mint machine is your nameserver. What's its LAN IP?
14:38<sney>RumCoco: and then chroot /mnt /bin/bash
14:38<mshuler># echo -e "nameserver\nnameserver" > /etc/resolv.conf
14:39<tim__>retrospectacus: I have a list of IP address from the connection information. which one is it?
14:39<retrospectacus>mshuler: he claimed "dig @" gave "could not connect"
14:39<mshuler>hmm.. I must have missed that
14:39<retrospectacus>tim__: the one that is your host IP. I don't know mint
14:40<mshuler>I'd be interested in 'ifconfig' and 'route -n' then
14:40<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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14:40<sney>man, we've got piles of reading comprehension problems today
14:40<tim__> retrospectacus my main IP address, then?
14:40<retrospectacus>like I said: your LAN IP
14:41<RumCoco>sney: chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': Permission denied
14:41<tim__>I think it's
14:41<sney>RumCoco: weird. ok, ls -l /mnt/bin/bash
14:41<retrospectacus>tim__: ok, then try this on Debian: dig @
14:42<SynrG>ompaul: i think the confusion is there are two systems in question, a mint one and a freshly installed debian one.
14:42<ompaul>SynrG: are they both live at the same time?
14:43<sney>ompaul: we're using the information from the mint system to troubleshoot connectivity on the debian system.
14:43<RumCoco>sney: -rwxr-x-r-x 1 root root 975488 Dec 30 2012 /mnt/bin/bash
14:43<ompaul>sney: lubly :)
14:43<tim__>retrospectacus: same thing
14:43<RumCoco>ompaul: I've booted debian live in the meantime
14:43<RumCoco>ompaul: but like sney said we're actually troubleshooting a debian installation
14:44<sney>RumCoco: I was telling ompaul about tim__'s issue, actually.
14:44<sney>but if he has some ideas about yours they're welcome too.
14:44<RumCoco>sney: oh ok
14:44<retrospectacus>tim__: by which you mean "connection timed out; no servers could be reached" ?
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14:44<tim__>retrospectacus: yeah, that's the one
14:45<sney>RumCoco: if you run 'mount' by itself, what does the line describing your / volume say?
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14:45<retrospectacus>tim__: ok how about "dig @" on Mint?
14:46<tim__>retrospectacus: I get an answer right away
14:46<retrospectacus>tim__: compare "route -n" on both machines
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14:48<RumCoco>sney: you mean which is currently mounted to /mnt: /dev/sda2 on /mnt type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered)
14:48<sney>everything looks fine! I don't know what the deal is.
14:49<sney>chroot /mnt /bin/sh
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14:49<sney>oh also are you running chroot as root?
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14:49<tim__>retrospectacus: Destination '' is identical on both, destination is identical except for 'Metric'. debian's destination is using interface eth0, instead of wlan0 as on Mint. otherwise identical
14:50<tim__>retrospectacus: Debian also has twice, once for eth0 and once for wlan0
14:50<tim__>Should I paste it for you?
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14:50<retrospectacus>tim__: that's the problem right there, you're connected to the same router by wifi and ethernet
14:51<retrospectacus>you could run some commands to fix it, but easiest is to unplug ethernet and reboot
14:51*mshuler mumbles about getting a fixed ifmetric uploaded..
14:51<tim__>retrospectacus: ethernet is unplugged
14:51<RumCoco>Permission denied
14:51<tim__>physically, that is
14:51<sney>RumCoco: as root, right? dang. I really don't know.
14:51<ompaul>tim__: reboot it now and see how you go
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14:52<retrospectacus>tim__: well the route is still there, which is the problem
14:52<RumCoco>sney: yes. so that's basically the reason why the system can't boot. Because it cannot execute init or any other executable on this partition
14:52<tim__>ok, restarting
14:52<sney>yeah because it claims a permissions problem, but there clearly isn't one
14:53<sney>RumCoco: at least you have /home separate, and you can access /etc, so your reinstall isn't too dire
14:53<sney>I would run a diagnostic on that disk, though. you should be able to download one from the manufacturer site
14:54<tim__>I've restarted and I'm back on
14:54<RumCoco>but I have a Samba AD running I'm not sure how this will behave. So I'd rather restore the system than reinstall it. But of course if nothing helps I'll do that
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14:54<tim__>I got a response from
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14:55<retrospectacus>tim__: huzzah
14:55<tim__>seems like I'm online again. thanks everyone
14:55<RumCoco>do you think it would help if i save all the files from " / " to an external ext 4 drive format the partition and copy all the files back again?
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14:55<RumCoco>without mounting boot or home
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14:56<tim__>I want to update my system though. I only have kernel 3.2 and iceweasel 17. anyone know how to find a good repository close to me that will get me some more recent upgrades?
14:56<retrospectacus>tim__: backports and
14:56<retrospectacus>tim__: see
14:56<tim__>thanks, retrospectacus
14:57<sney>RumCoco: well, I would tar them up rather than copying, and I doubt that'll fix anything, but you could try. really, run that hardware diagnostic though. filesystem problems that make no sense in software can easily be hardware
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14:58<mshuler>so by default, does network-manager still behave in this manner? eth0 and wlan0 both connected, and both have a default route to the same network, and neither has a preference set via a metric?
15:00<retrospectacus>I guess so, and doesn't remove the eth0 route when you unplug
15:00<retrospectacus>so it would seem, anyway. I don't have NM or wireless to check
15:00<mshuler>and is it still missing a setting for "when on ethernet, disconnect from wifi"?
15:00<mshuler>yeah, I haven't used it for a very long time
15:01<jmux>RumCoco: just an idea - the LiveCD is i386 and the Debian-System is amd64?
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15:02<jmux>Which - both?
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15:03<RumCoco>sney: WOHOOOOOO!!!!
15:03<RumCoco>I found the problem!
15:03<Eniledahs>Im using Geany, and im tryiing to figure out regular expressions for error codes and it just doesn't seem to work correctly.
15:04<Eniledahs>ghost.sp(32) : error 017: undefined symbol "dd"
15:04<Eniledahs>(32) is the line number
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15:04<Eniledahs>im not sure on how to create regular expressions, even though i look them up all over
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15:05<retrospectacus>Eniledahs: how to use regexs is highly language-dependent
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15:05<RumCoco>sney: permissions was set to 644 while it should be 755
15:05<Eniledahs>I'm english
15:05<Eniledahs>I'm using Geany for linux
15:05<retrospectacus>Eniledahs: the programming language you are writing in
15:06<Eniledahs>or pawn compiler
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15:06<retrospectacus>Eniledahs: so, read the docs for "pawn" to see how to use regexs
15:06<Eniledahs>but that does not matter as it is suppose to capture error codes output on line
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15:06<RumCoco>sney: now the search goes on next error on boot: sbin/init: 4: .: Can't open /lib/debian-installer/init-debug
15:08<Eniledahs>i'll look up docs on pawn, but makes no sense since it outputs stuff to terminal to the Geany text editor im using.
15:08<RumCoco>sney: It's something :)
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15:09<Eniledahs>would i still have this same problem if i used VIM for looking up error lines?
15:10<retrospectacus>Eniledahs: I am quite familiar with Geany, never heard of sourcepawn. Your problem seems unintelligible though. The error was undefined symbol "dd" on line 32. What's the issue here?
15:10<Eniledahs>i purposely putt dd on a blank line and compiled so i could get an error
15:10<Eniledahs>i want it to find error codes
15:11<Eniledahs>you know.. highlight the line or goto directly the line with the error code...
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15:11<Eniledahs>i used to use pspad in windows, but now im using Debian
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15:11<Eniledahs>I switched from windows 7 to Debian just recently and im pretty new to programming via linux side. sourcepawn is a compiler for which compiles scripts for game servers.
15:12<Eniledahs>its basically a c++ scripting compiler
15:12<retrospectacus>for me if I double-click the error it jumps to that line
15:13<Eniledahs>i dont want to bore you wish any details and stuff.. just trying to get rid of my next headache.. as it was a major pain to install steam on Debian, let alone other software.
15:13<retrospectacus>yeah, well steam is a Windows program. It's dead simple to install debian software
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15:13<RumCoco>sney: I think that's my fault since I exchanged the init executable for testing purpose
15:14<Eniledahs>Was able to do it on Wheezy instead of the recommended Jessie that steam recommands.
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15:15<Eniledahs>But had to look thru tons and tons of pages of stuff on the internet, if it wasn't for and all the information about Debian and stuff.. i'd would have given up long time ago.. anyhow.. I can't find Squat for Geany information for layman on error codes regex
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15:15<Eniledahs>i found a reference page, but does little to help as it has no example code
15:16<retrospectacus>Eniledahs: you keep saying "error code" and "regex" but they make no sense when you describe the actual problem (i.e. you want to see line on which the error is)
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15:17<retrospectacus>Eniledahs: by "error code" I guess you mean "the syntax error in my code" (error codes are something else) and I've no idea how regex comes into this
15:17<Eniledahs>I want to Geany to go to the error line that is displayed from the output of the compiler
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15:18<retrospectacus>Eniledahs: double click it in the "compiler" tab output at the bottom of the geany window
15:18<Eniledahs>the compiler gives this information: ghost.sp(32) : error 017: undefined symbol "dd"
15:18<Eniledahs>ghost.sp is the file name (32) is the line error
15:19<RumCoco>sney: Great, my system is up and running again. So the root cause was: permissions was set to 644 while it should be 755 .
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15:19<Eniledahs>line 32 has a error
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15:19<retrospectacus>Eniledahs: well you can a) look at the line numbers on the side and scroll to 32 or b) doubleclick that message like I said
15:20<Eniledahs>double clicking doesn't go to it
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15:20<Eniledahs>someone told me to put: \([/d+]\)
15:20<Eniledahs>i've tried that
15:21<retrospectacus>Eniledahs: you are using the compiler built into geany right? the little "triange to sphere" icon or press F8
15:21<RumCoco>sney: Many thanks for your assistance!
15:21<Eniledahs>im not using a compiler build inside geany
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15:21<Eniledahs>im pressing F8 ..
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15:21<Eniledahs>i have it setup for spcomp "%f" -ocompiled/%e.smx
15:22<Eniledahs>for F8
15:22<Eniledahs>that works fine..
15:22<Eniledahs>the "Error Regular Expression:" line im sure needs more information to find the line number if there is an error with the compile.
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15:26<esseks>hi, anybody knows what the "Standard system utilities" task installs? I cannot find in the output of "tasksel --list-tasks"
15:26<weasel>it includes less.
15:27<avnish>how to hacka a sysytem
15:27<retrospectacus>avnish: first install backtrack 5
15:27<avnish>what is backtrack5
15:27<retrospectacus>avnish: then go to the backtrack channel and ask them about the Magic
15:28<avnish>pls tell me what is backtrack5
15:29<retrospectacus>avnish: they have this website you can use to find things. It's called google or something
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15:31<avnish>i want to know the basics of hacking
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15:34<esseks>weasel, thanks, I simulated the install and found out what gets installed. Anyway, I wonder why that task is not listed...
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15:34<retrospectacus>avnish: sorry about the backtrack thing. I thought you meant "cracker" at first
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15:38<avnish><retrospectacus>:thanks for the help dude
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15:39<avnish>what is a seo
15:39<retrospectacus>avnish: sometimes it means Search Engine Optimization. Do you have a Debian question?
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15:40<avnish>what is seo used for
15:41<retrospectacus>avnish: Optimizing your website's placement on Search Engines. ...that is not a Debian question
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15:42<xicu>hello, there is any help chanel?
15:42<retrospectacus>xicu: this is help for Debian.
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15:43<nocturnal>try #web on freenode
15:43<retrospectacus>nocturnal: who? why?
15:43<nocturnal>SEO question
15:43<nocturnal>they love them
15:44<retrospectacus>yeah ask then if there are any spam botnets for rent too
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15:46<xicu>retrisoectaus: ok thanks
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15:54<Aleric>I'm trying to set up my USB printer...
15:54<Aleric>I found , but:
15:54<Aleric>ecc: Package 'cupsys-bsd' has no installation candidate
15:54<Aleric>ecc: Package 'cupsys-client' has no installation candidate
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15:55<Aleric>Is there is more recent howto for printing?
15:55<dpkg>A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian. . See also <hplip>, <openprinting>.
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16:02<sney>RumCoco: good job, next time do your crazy tests in a vm ;)
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16:04<RumCoco>sney: I absolutely agree :)
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16:10<Sam86>Howdy, anyone here ever setup SSH to auto chroot specific users?
16:10<Sam86>I've been trudging through it mostly working, but I've ran into an issue which I think stems from the file permissions of the chrooted folder.
16:11<Sam86>When the user connects via SSH the client instantly closes, and I can't find any error codes to look up in either client or servers putty (with debug enabled).
16:11<Sam86>Googling shows it's probably permissions but I can't find any solutions.
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16:19<mshuler>Sam86: did you need something more than an out of the box solution like rssh?
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16:20<Sam86>I'm not overly sure mshuler, I'm just trying to get the out of the box solution working really.
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16:20<Sam86>Had a few issues, fixed the PTY issues by mounting the relevant directories but I can't debug my current issue
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16:20<Sam86>as the SSH screen (using putty) just closes instantly
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16:21<mshuler>I used rssh last time I needed a chrooted user for scp/sftp - super simple
16:21<Sam86>I'm going to try once more but put the chroot inside the users home directory and set it up as him, since I can't chown the folders after for some reason
16:21<Sam86>even as root, which is odd.
16:21<dex>hi, is there a command or sth in Linux to retrieve information about my laptop monitor?? I would like to know which resolutions and frequencies are supported
16:23<kanliot>you can type xrandr i bet theres a better way though
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16:24<mshuler>xrandr -q
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16:24<dex>it shows the same as xrandr
16:24<mshuler>well yes..
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16:25<dex>but maybe xrandr does not show all the resolutions and frequencies that the screen can handle
16:25<kanliot>it probably doesnt
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16:25<mshuler>depends on whether you are running a driver that provides all the possibilities
16:26<retrospectacus>it does, just according to the driver
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16:26<dex>i am running whatever debian runs by default
16:26<Sam86>inside the chroot I need to create a user with the same name / home directory?
16:26<retrospectacus>dex: what is the video card?
16:26<mshuler>'lspci |grep VGA'
16:26<Sam86>so it has somewhere to place the ssh session upon login, correct?
16:26<dex>gefirece GT 540M
16:27<sney>is that optimus
16:27<dex>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
16:27<dex>i am not sure
16:27<dex>i think it is optimus
16:28<dex>yes it is
16:28<dex>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 540M] (rev a1)
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16:30<mshuler>yeah, I've never played with one of those dual chipset boxes - I imagine there are some hoops to jump through, but none that others haven't jumped for you already :)
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16:30<sney>if only it were that simple
16:30<dex>i am looking for information in the packard bell webpage but theres no way to find anything about my screen
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16:31<dex>i think theres sth wrong with the screen cos there are fonts that have a red, blue border or sth weird, the thing is that they appear blurred
16:31<mshuler>dex: no need - you have the chipset information - don't think I've ever seen an OEM provide that kind of detail..
16:32<dex>with the chipset can I have the information of what my screen supports??
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16:33<mshuler>you wish to get xorg to use your nvidia chipset for high resolution, right? that's the first hurdle
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16:33<mshuler>I would first look in the BIOS to disable the integrated intel, if you can - I'm only guessing..
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16:34<dex>maybe installing nvidia drivers
16:34<dex>but i have seen that fonts appear somehow blurred in windows too and I have nvidia in windows installed
16:35<mshuler>then you may have a dorked screen or something
16:35<mshuler>an OS won't fix hardware problems
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16:37<mshuler>anyway, dex '/msg dpkg nvidia' in your irc client - the bot will give some help
16:37<dex>ok, it is only the fonts, the rest looks good
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16:38<mshuler>I'd bet xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is already installed - whether it's being used would be a read through your /var/log/Xorg.0.log log file - see if the nvidia or the intel video is actually running stuff now
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16:41<sney>glxinfo will also give that information
16:41<retrospectacus>(and a lot of crap - just run glxinfo|head)
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16:42<dex>it seems that it is intel video who is running
16:42<sney>not shocking. don't get your hopes up about being able to use the nvidia one
16:42<dex>glxinfo | grep head shows nothing
16:43<retrospectacus>no grep
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16:43<retrospectacus>head is the command (it prints the top of its stdin)
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16:44<dex>i typed it bad, sorry
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16:46<retrospectacus>sgi? that doesn't sound right
16:47<mshuler>I guess I was wrong about what I now know is called "hybrid graphics"
16:47<mshuler>SGI is Intel - that's right
16:47<Sam86>Is there anyway to remove all mounted directories recursively?
16:47<Sam86>as in all mounts within a directory tree.
16:48<dex>not all the fonts look blurred
16:48<Sam86>Wouldyou care to enlighten me as to the method?
16:48<mshuler>I thought hybrid graphics was a relatively solved problem - sure doesn't look that way :(
16:49<retrospectacus>see <optimus>
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16:49<sney>mshuler: yeah, it's solved in that we know nvidia isn't going to offer support, and that whichever gpu is enabled by the hardware is the one you get, with no software switching
16:49<retrospectacus>oh that's nice
16:49<sney>and it's solved in the sense that we tell people DON'T BUY OPTIMUS
16:50<sney>there is some hacked up thing called bumblebee that _sometimes_ provides a software switch depending on which iteration of optimus is present. it's extremely hit or miss due to the inconsistent nature of laptop design.
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16:50<dex>the fonts that are on my desktop with conky are greysh but for instance the "i" looks red and blue
16:51<dex>it does not have anything to do with gray
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16:52<retrospectacus>dex: try the font hinting/smoothing/anti-aliasing thing in your appearance settings
16:52<dex>i also would like to change the refresh frequency, maybe higher that 60Hz
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16:52<dex>i am using openbox
16:53<Sam86>let's pretend I just copied the wrong file into /etc/passwd and can no longer sudo
16:53<Sam86>any ideas?
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16:53<Sam86>on how to restore it, I have a copy of the original just no perms
16:53<dex>don't know how to change hinting...
16:53<retrospectacus>Sam86: rescue
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16:54<dex>maybe in fontconfig??
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17:00<Sam86>Hmm, so they're is no way? I'm still in ssh
17:00<Sam86>but obviously lost sudo access. No KVM so would have to request recovery
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17:03<sney>!i forgot root password
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17:05<rudi_s>Sam86: You need to reboot to fix that. And for the future, use sudo -l (oder -s) to keep a root-shell open. Helps with those kind of issues, and also broken pam configurations.
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17:05<retrospectacus>ifrp is For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f'
17:06<Sam86>rudi_s, will the passwd repopulate on reboot?
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17:06<Sam86>or do you mean reboot into rescue?
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17:06<rudi_s>Sam86: Of course not, reboot in rescue mode light retrospectacus said.
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17:06<Sam86>ah yea k. I seem to enjoy testing on the only box I've no KVM access to
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17:06<Sam86>so I'll ticket it, rather stupid mistake
17:06<Sam86>type /etc/passwd instead of etc/passwd
17:07<retrospectacus>also use "vipw" don't mess around copying that file
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18:02<mshuler>Sam86: vipw (and some other tools, I think) saves a backup of /etc/passwd as /etc/passwd- <- notice the hyphen
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18:04<mshuler>and it appears to be root:root 600 - /etc/passwd needs to be root:root 644
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18:19<ifree>hello.. i have a question )
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18:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
18:20<ifree>i was install debian 7.1 at first..
18:21<ifree>earlier i used ubuntu... now i can't use my favourite repositories with some themes for interface..
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18:22<ifree>for example this - .. a'm add sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiheum/equinox to my repositories... i'm update it.. and i see next error: W: Не удалось получить 404 Not Found
18:23<mtn>ifree: debian is not ubuntu. usually you use what is in the debian repoes
18:23<retrospectacus>ifree: do not use PPAs, do not use ubuntu repositories. This is debian, we don't use those shit
18:23<ifree>sorry my english.. )
18:23<retrospectacus>ifree: if you want that stuff, go back to ubuntu
18:24<mshuler>I thought one just extracted a gnome theme to ~/.themes or some such directory
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18:25<ifree>it's ok... but i don't know how to install GTK+ themes (not shell theme), icon themes and other..
18:25<ifree>earlier i always use kde..
18:25<retrospectacus>ifree: you grab them and use the "appearance" preferences to choose a theme or whatever
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18:27<tr0n1c>hello, I have some strange audio issues on wheezy. Firstly, I have no volume control and I have to control it from alsamixer. Secondly, the GUI sound settings are totally blank! Thirdly, the microphone suddenly stopped working. Any clue on how I could debug these? I do have sound though.
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18:29<retrospectacus>tr0n1c: what desktop environment have you installed?
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18:31<tr0n1c>retrospectacus, , more accurately.
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18:32<retrospectacus>never used it. sorry
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18:32<tr0n1c>these problems are dependent on the desktop environment?
18:34<retrospectacus>having "no volume control" is. I use XFCE and there is no volume applet. I just use the knob on the speaker. I don't know what gnome3 is "supposed" to have, maybe nothing
18:34<tr0n1c>aha yes.
18:34<retrospectacus>pavucontrol works good for me
18:34<tr0n1c>anyone else for the sound and microphone issues?
18:34<mtn>retrospectacus: gnome has volume control by default so something is wrong
18:35<retrospectacus>maybe pulseaudio is not running
18:35<mdik>tr0n1c: try pulseaudio
18:35<tr0n1c>mtn, true, in the beginning I had it, but not sound everywhere apart from chrome. In an upgrade everything suddenly started working, but I had no volume control and everything in the sound system settings is blank!!
18:35<mdik>if nothing else works, pulseaudio + pavucontrol is your best shot
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18:36<tr0n1c>pulseaudio is not running indeed
18:36<mtn>tr0n1c: sounds like you removed something or have something odd in your sources.list
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18:36<tr0n1c>running pulseaudio gives:
18:36<tr0n1c>E: [pulseaudio] module.c: Failed to load module "module-alsa-source" (argument: "device=hw:1,0"): initialization failed.
18:36<mtn>tr0n1c: pulse audio is standard in gnome
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18:37<tr0n1c>then something is really broken
18:37<tr0n1c>I couldn't find much hunting the above error.
18:37<mtn>tr0n1c: have you tried reinstalling gnome using synaptic?
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18:38<tr0n1c>nope, do you suggest me to do it?
18:38<mtn>tr0n1c: yes
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18:42<tr0n1c>mtn, you are referring to gnome3-core?
18:42<NGHX>hello :)
18:43<mtn>tr0n1c: no, just gnome. dont' see it? maybe it is called something else, I am not on debian at the moment
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18:44<retrospectacus>NGHX: hi
18:45<mtn>tr0n1c: package gnome is the complete environment
18:45<NGHX>How are you guys? :D
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18:45<tr0n1c>mtn, ah ok yes found it. I'm reinstalling it and coming back in a few minutes.
18:45<retrospectacus>NGHX: great, welcome to Debian support. Just ask your debian question, or if you just want to chat, go to #moocows
18:45<mtn>tr0n1c: good luck
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18:49<tr0n1c>mtn, no difference.
18:50<mtn>tr0n1c: must have messed up settings in your home directory. you could make a new user and see if the same for them.
18:50<tr0n1c>alright, gimme some seconds
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18:54<tr0n1c>mtn, same for the new user.
18:54<mtn>tr0n1c: sorry, out of ideas.
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18:55<mtn>tr0n1c: did you reboot after reinstalling gnome?
18:55<mtn>had another idea!
18:55<mshuler>is it groking your changes from alsamixer maybe?
18:55<mshuler>muted, etc.
18:56<mtn>he is missing sound control and other things
18:56<tr0n1c>mtn, yes I did.
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18:56<mtn>tr0n1c: now I am out of ideas for sure.
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18:56<tr0n1c>any clue about this error when I'm trying to run pulseaudio manually?
18:56<tr0n1c>E: [pulseaudio] module.c: Failed to load module "module-alsa-source" (argument: "device=hw:1,0"): initialization failed.
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18:57<retrospectacus>hi [1]Tom
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18:58<[1]Tom>When I am trying to update debian using apt-get update
18:58<[1]Tom>I got this error
18:58<DNS>which error?
18:58<[1]Tom>Failed to fetch dates/non-free/binary-i386/Packages Unable to connect to
18:59<DNS>means the server is down
18:59<[1]Tom>could not connect to this website
18:59<mshuler>that's pretty clear :)
18:59<retrospectacus>[1]Tom: use a real debian mirror
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19:00<DNS>[1]Tom: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to fix this
19:00<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell [1]Tom about sources.list
19:01<[1]Tom>how ?
19:01<DNS>for example: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
19:02<DNS>comment the dead server
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19:02<[1]Tom>is it ok if I did that ?
19:03<DNS>after you have saved the file, do sudo apt-get update once more
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19:04<[1]Tom>all ok
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19:05<[1]Tom>so why there are so many servers in sources list ?
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19:05<DNS>[1]Tom: because you added that much?
19:05<retrospectacus>[1]Tom: how many do you have?
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19:06<[1]Tom>nope I did not !!
19:06<DNS>or you use virtual server?
19:06<[1]Tom>yep !
19:06<DNS>i c ^^
19:06<[1]Tom>first tim using cmd
19:06<[1]Tom>no gui
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19:09<[1]Tom>Ive tried centos an debian , centos like french fries ...debian like big mac
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19:10<retrospectacus>stop that, you're making me hungry
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19:14<chipo>alguien me puede ayudar con una duda basica que tengo de php?
19:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:17<[1]Tom>Thanks guys
19:17<[1]Tom>c ya
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19:18<poderes>hola a todo el mundoooooooooo
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19:23<adga>poderes, hola
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19:24<adga>poderes, estas en una lista de debian en la cual se habla en ingles
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19:24<adga>poderes, please speak english.
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19:25<poderes>hola como estas
19:25<retrospectacus>poderes: ENGLISH
19:27*abrotman wonders about this test.dnsbl ?
19:27<adga>poderes, estoy en #debian-es conéctate allí para hablar allí ya que aquí se habla en ingles, here speak english.
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19:29<abrotman>shocked, all the same person?
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19:45<tim>Hi. How do I change desktop environment? gnome 3 isn't working out for me
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19:48<devil_>tim: with your login mamanger?
19:48<devil_>manager even
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19:49<tim>devil_: hadn't thought of that. I'll try gnome classic. thanks
19:49<http_port>is it normal that the request do not go to cache at the second time on squid polipo wwwoffle?
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19:52<tim>where do I change theme? i'd like it a bit darker, less strain on the eyes
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19:53<tim>nevermind, found it
19:53<devil_>in gnome? no idea. system settings, I would suppose
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19:53<tim>devil_: actually, it's in Advanced Settings... System settings is for the OS, advanced is for gnome
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19:54<devil_>tim: i never use gnome
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19:54<tim>couldn't blame you. thanks anyways. bye
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20:00<mshuler>whee! just sold my jeep :)
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20:00*abrotman looks at mshuler
20:00*mshuler goes to the right channel..
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20:12<http_port>sorry but
20:12<http_port>is it normal that the request do not go to cache at the second time on squid polipo wwwoffle?
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20:40<freddo63>hey who's on right now? Is babilen on? I just found a solution to that library problem I was having and wanted to share in case anyone else should come across that problem
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21:35<Sam86>Hi, so I'm poking around in the chrooted user I created earlier.
21:35<Sam86>But I can't seem to get java to execute within it.
21:36<Sam86>Trying to execute java yields: -bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory
21:36<Khades>is sys, tmp, proc and dev recreated at boot?
21:36<Khades>Sam86: why chroot?
21:37<Sam86>Not sure if they're all recreated at boot, but they all exist currently.
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21:37<Sam86>No special reason atm Khades, was half testing and now want to see if itwill run java applications suitable enough
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21:42<overo>Sam86: presumably /usr/bin/java is a broken symlink
21:43<Sam86>Was my thinking, I can browse the folder fine though
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21:43<Sam86>and see the java files inside /usr/bin/java
21:43<overo>what folder
21:44<Sam86>Java executable is at /usr/bin/java
21:44<Sam86>it seems.
21:44<overo> /usr/bin/java is supposed to be a link thru alternatives to a binary
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21:44<themill>Sam86: what does "file /usr/bin/java" and "file $(readlink -f /usr/bin/java)" output?
21:45<Sam86>file command not found.
21:45<Sam86>however I can tell you the symlink is "java -> /etc/alternatives/java"
21:45<Khades>i'd use lxc
21:46<Sam86>To rephrase, what's lxc?
21:46<Khades>chroot on steroids
21:46<Khades>or on meth
21:46<Khades>more like openvz
21:47<Sam86>you mean it will start amazing and eventually destroy it's host :)?
21:47<Sam86>I'll look into lxc, but as far as im aware java should work fine inside this chroot
21:47<Sam86>so I'd rather fix this first.
21:47<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
21:48<themill>Sam86: "file" is priority standard. You might want to consider installing standard utilities on your machine.
21:49<Sam86>It wasn't on as I only just set the chroot up, it's a blank setup with just java installed atm.
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21:51<Sam86>To answer you're question, file reports symlink to /etc/alternatives/java file on that reports /usr/lib/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java and the java file is there as should be.
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21:52<themill>that still doesn't identify the file type
21:52<sney>isn't oracle java not in debian? the installer probably did something stupid
21:53<abrotman>sney: license issues IIRC
21:53<themill>yeah, it's not in debian
21:53<Sam86>You can add it easily enough
21:53<Sam86>it works perfectly fine on the standard machine just not in the chroot
21:53<themill>you can also just "aptitude install openjdk-7-jre"
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21:54<sney>indeed, the differences between oracle and openjdk are not as vast for Java 7 as they were for 6
21:55<themill>anyway, without information on this system, we're left guessing
21:55<Sam86>Sorry, I'll grab the readlink now
21:56<themill>and what's "uname -r" there?
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21:58<themill>ldd /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java ?
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22:01<Sam86> not a dynamic executable
22:01<Sam86>Sorry for delay, was reinstalling java
22:02<Sam86>That might explain it, though, doesn't report that on the working version I have
22:02<themill>!which arch
22:02<dpkg>To help us understand architecture-related problems, please give us the output of «(dpkg --print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures) | xargs echo».
22:03<Sam86>rgs echo
22:03<Sam86>i386 3.2.0-4-amd64
22:03<themill>ah there you go
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22:04<Sam86>Hmmm, but the host machien is the same architect (obviously) and that works just fine.
22:04<themill>are you sure "dpkg --print-architecture" says i386 on the host?
22:05<Sam86>no, amd64.
22:05<Sam86>Ah, odd
22:05<Sam86>so the chroot is a different architect? that makes little sense to me.
22:06<themill>the amd64 arch is able to natively execute i386 stuff so you can have a different arch chroot quite easily like that.
22:06<themill>Other arch mixtures aren't so easy (like armel on i386) but are actually still possible with the help of qemu.
22:07<Sam86>To which I know, I was just wondering why it installed i386 by default and just seen why.
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22:07<Sam86>Was following the wiki post and didn't notice the architect type for the chroot setup.
22:07<Sam86>my own fault really
22:07<Sam86>Thank you, I'll resetup the chroot and try again.
22:07*themill notes that "aptitude install openjdk-7-jre" would have worked regardless
22:08*Sam86 notes he tried and it failed
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22:08<Sam86>also went through the aptitude menu and only ones I saw under the java section was oracle6
22:08<themill>well perhaps it's worth addressing that problem rather than going off to make more
22:08<themill>oracle java is not in debian at all
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22:09<Sam86>Only because of licensing, I was led to understand it works perfectly fine.
22:09<themill>yes, but it's not in debian at all so you wouldn't find it in aptitude unless you'd already done crazy things
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22:11<Sam86>Ah, I see you're point. Not sure why then, as I'd only added oracle7 items not 6.
22:11<Sam86>Sec, I'm going to load aptitude on my web box that hasn't ever install it to see what's in aptitude
22:12<Sam86>Ah yea, was in the non-free source.
22:14<themill>not in wheezy
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22:16<Khades>ti didn rebooted
22:16<Khades>after trying to move system to lvm2
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22:39<jack>Can anyone here help me with a KVM problem?
22:40<abrotman>stevens point!
22:42<abrotman>your hostmask
22:42<abrotman>jack: we would more detail, your question is a bit vague
22:43<jack>When I start Virtual Machine Manager I get "Unable to connect to libvirt. Verify that the "libvirtd' daemon is running" error.
22:44<abrotman>and is it running?
22:44<jack>I don't think so anyway.
22:45<Khades>service libvirt-bin start
22:46<jack>Apparently it is already running
22:46<Khades>it is not starting by default
22:47<jack>I'm not sure when I ran that command it just told me that libvirtd is already running
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23:04<Guest6284>Hey does Linux users use there own Linux server and Windows use there own server? for internet?
23:04<Guest6284>Hey does Linux users use there own Linux server and Windows use there own server? for internet?
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23:07<dvs>Guest6262: On the Internet, there's no telling what type of OS you're connecting to.
23:07<Guest6284>aww ok
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23:13<Guest6284>Is it bad to Install Old Kernals?
23:13<Guest6284>Like older 1s then u have?
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