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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-13

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02:04<Khades>when i am using any of webkit browsers and html5 video through gstreamer i have that bug http://i.juick.com/photos-512/2515163.png
02:04<Khades>(look at time bar)
02:04<Khades>it appears on any webkit browser i use
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02:08<maxy>Khades: even with google-chrome?
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02:08<maxy>(google-chrome uses it's own copy of webkit)
02:10<Khades>no
02:10<Khades>chrome is ok
02:10<Khades>but chrome is not entirely webkit
02:10<maxy>I can't see the problem in the screenshot, it's too small.
02:11<maxy>Khades: You might need to disable the flash plugin to view the html5 version.
02:11<Khades>that's html5 problem
02:11<Khades>under scrollbar
02:12<maxy>But if you have that disabled it should be the same.
02:12<Khades>there's garbage message like
02:12<Khades>ah
02:12<Khades>sorry
02:12<Khades>i need bigger screenshot
02:12<Khades>http://rghost.ru/48719844/image.png
02:13*themill still doesn't know what the actual problem is
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02:25<Khades>40% at 1792 of 4405 seconds
02:25<Khades>it doesnt dissapears
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03:26<maxy>Ah, that, I guess is something the youtube developers forgot to hide.
03:26<maxy>The html5 interface of youtube is still quite beta.
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07:21<Khades>ah
07:21<Khades>i got the problem
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07:22<bhuddah>Khades: can you try to be a little bit more specific? :)
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07:22<Khades>i linked screenshot with youtube and html5 player
07:23<Khades> http://rghost.ru/48719844/image.png
07:23<bhuddah>ah, must've missed that.
07:23<Khades>there's stuff under time scrollbar
07:23<Khades>i wondered why it appeared
07:23<Khades>now i know why
07:23<Khades>i have font minimum size at 12pt
07:23<Khades>when i disable custom css i have everything ok
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07:30<Khades>I FIXED DAT :>
07:30<Khades>[class*=html5-progress-screenreader] { display: none !important
07:30<Khades>}
07:30<Khades>in userstyle.css
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08:28<def>Is there way for computer program to know automatically what the newest release of Stable is (version and name) and how many DVD it covers? For example, if run some program in console, it returns "7.1.0; wheezy; 10 DVDs".
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08:31<Maulkin>def: I don't think so, without you writing your own program to do it
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08:32<def>Yes, I try to wrote. The way only to go to internet and see at some exact page.
08:33<def>I want to know existence of such page.
08:34<bluewater>https://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch/
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08:36<mrc>hello, I packed a binary that is a drop in replacement for another one which is provided by another package (debian official). With update-alternatives can I handle the situation where only one of both packages is aware of it?
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08:37<Maulkin>def: try parsing http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
08:37<mrc>ie. I want to replace a binary when I install a certain package and resume the old one when I remove it
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08:41<Maulkin>mrc: You're probably better off with dpkg-divert
08:41<Maulkin>mrc: See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/118
08:43<Maulkin>mrc: You can call dpkg-divert in your postinst and prerm
08:43<Maulkin>(if you want to automate it)
08:45<mrc>Maulkin: yes, that is my goal, thanks
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08:49<tel0s>hi all, trying to install npm package, but it seems my package list is all out of whack and an update doesn't fix it. Can anyone suggest how i might move forward? http://paste.debian.net/39488/
08:51<mrc>Maulkin: dpkg-divert seems exactly what I need
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09:04<Maulkin>mrc: good-o
09:04<Maulkin>tel0s: you appear to be running unstable
09:05<Maulkin>tel0s: Or have otherwise done something inadviseable.
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09:25<jerk>hello there. just having french roast expresso and running solydx for 48hrs.
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09:27<Maulkin>jerk: That's nice, but please bear in mind that this is a support channel for Debian - try #moocows for general chat
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09:29<jerk>Thanks Ill go there
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09:38<io>ola
09:38<Maulkin>Hi there. Can we help?
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09:39<Maulkin>!it
09:39<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:42<gabriel44> Hola, amigos tengo un problema instale Lingot (afinador de instrumentos) y no logro enlazar el microfono con el programa, en configuración me aparece plughw:0 y no se que ponerle como archivo de entrada de sonido,uso Debian 6.0.2 ¿alguien sabe cual de los archivos de /etc son los de sonido?. Sigo buscando en google pero no encuentro la mas mínima orientación, help me
09:42<Maulkin>!es
09:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:43<gabriel44>nadie contesta en Debian-es
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09:43<Maulkin>That's nice, but this is still an english channel, and my spanish understanding is very limited
09:43<Maulkin>Not as bad as me trying to speak it though
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09:44<gabriel44>ok, Madatnek my problem is thar
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09:45<Maulkin>gabriel44: In general though, I'd suggest just playing a sound and tuning it by ear. You'll be much better off in the long run.
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09:46<gabriel44>that , I instal the program Lingot and the sound in (microf) don have link whit it (escuse me all bag)
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09:47<Maulkin>gabriel44: That's not making much sense at all.
09:47<adga>hello
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09:49<gabriel44>Maulkin, ok please you now my problem?
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09:50<Maulkin>gabriel44: Not really. Try updating to Debian 7.1 and see if that helps?
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09:51<gabriel44>Maulkin, ok I do it
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11:05<jhile42>Hey, I have debian setup on a separate partition and plan on using it to just mess around / learn more about linux. I have no worries about loosing what I do on this partition and pointed /home to a separate partition as well. Would you recommend switching to debian testing or unstable for my circumstances
11:07<timothyarnold>I don't see why not. Using Jessie or Sid to learn debian will be a pretty good idea. Especially if something breaks when running sid.
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11:09<zathras>jhile42, I thinks that is a very very very bad idea
11:09<zathras>*think
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11:10<zathras>If you are not familiar with Linux and you start playing around with things in beta stage and things go wrong you will have no idea if things break due to beta stuff or your mistakes let alone how to fix things
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11:13<zathras>stick to stable, but keep in mind that Debian is always lagging behind to the latest and greatest. So software may seem outdated or not at the same version a certain howto or manual is refering to
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11:17<jhile42>I have experience using linux, I am not sure why it would be such a bad idea? The only thing I would be worried about is something breaking all my HD partitions which I don't think is even possible.
11:18<jhile42>I've used arch for a little while so I learned to watch packages come in and break a specific program, using arch I would just have to reinstall the previous package to fix that problem unless of course it was a critical bug that wouldn't allow you to boot any longer which I never ran across
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11:20<zathras>if you do not mount all kind of other OSes partitions and are prepared to fix a corrupt grub you are fine. The later is about the worst thing that can happen as long as you play safe with partitiontools and mounting
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11:21<zathras>fubar-ing your linux install is another option but that is related to knowledge and riskmanagement and you claim you are ok with it so....
11:21<jhile42>My grub is pretty complex, I have the 100mb pre installed windows partition, 70gb for windows, 300gb NTFS partition that both windows/linux can read, extended partition for linux with (2) 20gb partitions 1 for my main distro 1 for playing around and learning, 70gb partition for /home and the rest for swap
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11:22<zathras>just backup grub and see if you can boot from a liveCD. Better to ve safe than sorry
11:23<zathras>btw: if you are just experimenting I would have gone for playing around in a VM
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11:23<jhile42>Yeah I can boot from a live usb, say debian went sour, corrupted my grub, and i got to the point where im like okay im stuck. If I run debians net install and reinstall the debian partition that should fix the grub right?
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11:24<jhile42>I wanted to make an actual partition because if I get to the point where I'm comfortable fixing things myself I'll just end up using Debian more of the time
11:25<bluewater>seems like you updated MS* which wipes grub ,
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11:26<jhile42>Yeah I know, when I actually do boot into windows its always screaming that the bootloader is screwed up and it tells me if I don't cancel within 10 seconds it will fix it
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12:13<El_pikito>hi guys. Can someone please help me with installing ralink 3290 driver?
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12:15<retrospectacus>!rt3290
12:15<dpkg>The Ralink RT3290 is a PCIe 802.11n and Bluetooth 3.0 + HS device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 1814:3290) is experimentally supported by <rt2800pci> since Linux 3.6, support enabled in Debian Linux kernels since linux 3.7.1-1~experimental.1. Firmware from userspace is required and packaged as of firmware-ralink 0.37.
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12:16<retrospectacus>El_pikito: you'll need the kernel and firmware-ralink from wheezy-backports
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12:18<El_pikito>well, I found some instuctions how to install it on ubuntu. http://askubuntu.com/questions/253632/how-do-i-get-a-ralink-rt3290-wireless-card-working But after some manipulations I have wifi in my network manager but it's disabled and I can not enable it
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12:21<retrospectacus>El_pikito: this might help https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
12:21<retrospectacus>otherwise try the right way
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12:22<El_pikito>ok, thx for help
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14:13<marya>buona sera a tutti. qualcuno mi sa dire come elimino definitivamente xfce dalla mia debian wheezy ?
14:14<retrospectacus>!it
14:14<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
14:14<marya>grazie
14:14<retrospectacus>marya: or ask here in English
14:14<marya>i'm sorry
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16:12<Sammy123>hey there
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16:13<Sammy123>I've been trying to figure this out, but I can't find the clues. I was in "man pvresize" and thought the underlining of the "size" parameter meant that I somehow can look into what units are allowed for it
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16:13<Sammy123>However, I'm unable to figure out what the underlining means at all
16:14<Sammy123>Also, I'd really like to know which units are allowed
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16:18<retrospectacus>the example in the manual says pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 40G /dev/sda1
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16:20<Sammy123>retrospectacus: can I use GiB? can I use PE?
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16:20<retrospectacus>tias
16:21<Sammy123>I have noticed in the past that most of the time the commands are pretty tolerant and understand all sorts of units
16:21<Sammy123>in this case however I'd like to not give the wrong unit, because it might ruin my system ...
16:22<Sammy123>I don't even know whether the G in 40G stands for Giga- or GibiByte
16:22<stderr> [--setphysicalvolumesize PhysicalVolumeSize[bBsSkKmMgGtTpPeE]
16:22<Sammy123>whoa, where did you find that?
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16:22<stderr>pvresize --help
16:23<Sammy123>I must've been blind! Thank you
16:23<Sammy123>Now onto guessing what each character means ;)
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16:25<stderr>Are you trying to make the PV smaller than the partition (because you want to resize the partition)?
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16:25<stderr>Or did you make the partition larger and now want the PV to use all the space?
16:26<Sammy123>on the other hand, I'd really like to know whether there is some way to maneuver within the man-pages aside from exiting and then entering "man number command"
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16:26<starla>How do I install on BTRFS?
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16:26<Sammy123>stderr: Right now I have a partition (ext4) within an lvm within a vg within a crypto-volume that I want to shrink from 60gb to 20gb
16:27<Sammy123>so far I managed to shrink ext4, then the logical volume
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16:27<Sammy123>now I want to shrink the volume group, the lvm, and the crypto-volume to release the space that has become available du to the shrinking
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16:28<stderr>Ok, then you need to specify the size. I don't think you need it, if you make the partition larger.
16:28<Sammy123>stderr: vgdisplay gives me the size in PE and GiB
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16:30<Sammy123>stderr: Since I'm not sure what each character means, I cannot say for sure what I have to specify
16:30<Sammy123>*each of the characters from pvresize --help
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16:30<stderr>I'm not sure about B and S (bytes? sectors?), but k=1000, K=1024, m=1000*1000, M=1024*1024, etc.
16:31<Sammy123>oh, that's good to know
16:31<Sammy123>with that I should be able to work, thank you very much :)
16:32<stderr>No problem.
16:32<Sammy123>Now, what do I have to resize - the volume group, the decrypted mapped device or the raw physical volume?
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16:38<roninn>hi
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16:38<roninn>this mount doesn\t allow me to write on it... /dev/sdd1 on /media/227c5fa4-e416-4a90-8ca8-adfa72edf706 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
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16:43<starla>I need to install to a BTRFS partition.
16:43<starla>But the option is not in the installer
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16:44<starla>Yet, there are plenty of blogs showing the BTRFS option in the installer.
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16:48<A|an>I'm having trouble getting streaming audio at a website to work. Is there anything extra you have to do to get flowplayer streaming audio to work?
16:48<babilen>starla: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/zfs-linux_0.6.2-1.html (just tempting you)
16:50<babilen>starla: Can't you choose it as filesystem? Which installer are you using?
16:50<starla>I've tried the live installer, the graphical install and the text install.
16:51<A|an>could anyone go to www.allclassical.org, click "Listen Now" and see if the player works?
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16:54<babilen>starla: Which image are you using?
16:54<retrospectacus>A|an: after a couple tries it is working for me
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16:55<starla>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/
16:55<babilen>starla: Oh, so you only tried the live images?
16:55<starla>Yes.
16:55<A|an>well, i've just installed this system and haven't completed everything...maybe I have to install flashplugin-nonfree
16:55<babilen>starla: Mind trying the real installer?
16:56<retrospectacus>A|an: it is using flashplugin-nonfree yes
16:56<starla>Which one is that?
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16:56<A|an>great! I'll install it
16:56<babilen>starla: Does your hardware require firmware?
16:56<starla>It complains about realtek but connects fine to the internet.
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16:57<babilen>starla: Alright, do you have a working internet connection (sounds as if you do) and which desktop environment do you want to install?
16:57<starla>I was going for the Xfce, and planned on Cinnamon later.
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16:59<babilen>starla: Sure, okay, In that case I would recommend either the netinstall with firmware or the XFCE CD1. You can get the former from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ and the latter from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/7.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/
16:59<babilen>dpkg: tell starla -about install xfce
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17:00<babilen>starla: I wouldn't necessarily recommend using the wheezy version of BTRFS though, you probably want to use the 3.10 kernel that is in wheezy-backports (cf. "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"), jessie and sid.
17:01<babilen>starla: Not sure, but you *might* have to run the expert install and load BTRFS specific installer components.
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17:02*babilen checks that in a VM
17:02<starla>So I have to install Xfce before I have a desktop?
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17:02<babilen>starla: I don't quite follow. XFCE *is* a desktop environment.
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17:03<A|an>retrospectacus: I've install flashplugin-nonfree, but the play-control dialog window is still whited-out...to you have any idea what else I need to do?
17:03<starla>Some of the CDs don't boot with a desktop.
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17:04<starla>I think I could manage with the text installer but I like to be able to look stuff up in the browser.
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17:04<babilen>starla: Yes, you have to select XFCE in the boot menu (or use the XFCE CD1 flavour) *and* install the Desktop task during the installation if you want to have XFCE installed.
17:04<retrospectacus>A|an: quit the browser and start it again
17:05<babilen>starla: The graphical installer isn't that different and doesn't come with a browser either.
17:05<A|an>ok
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17:05<mammutpanzer>Dear debian community. Today I want to continue a bit to fix my PC issues. I have debian wheezy installed but I have no sound and I don't know what the issue could be. Can anyone help me?
17:05<starla>Will the 7.1.0 disk work on a USB drive?
17:06<babilen>starla: I would like to point out, once again, that BTRFS isn't particularly battle tested and I wouldn't consider it ready for usage.
17:06<babilen>dpkg: tell starla -about usb install
17:06<babilen>starla: You can install from USB, yes.
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17:06<starla>Not all images are marked "hybrid", which is why I asked.
17:07<A|an>retrospectacus: Thanks! That did it.
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17:09<mammutpanzer>Any idea why I have no sound?
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17:09<devil_>mammutpanzer: check alsamixer, if all devices are activated and not muted
17:10<mammutpanzer>What to check?
17:10<devil_>alsamixer
17:10<Sammy123>enter that into your commandline
17:10<mammutpanzer>Maybe different question. How to check?
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17:11<devil_>mammutpanzer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuEEEHcHxEE
17:11<mammutpanzer>okay master is 100
17:11<devil_>you never want to go over 85
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17:13<starla>babilen: thanks for the help.
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17:16<mammutpanzer>devil why never go over 85 ?
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17:17<devil_>mammutpanzer: because it will modt likely produce distortion
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17:25<mammutpanzer>devil thanks for help. My headphone works but my speakers don't any idea what could be the issue?
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17:27<Ryccardo>could, could be a hardware issue
17:27<Ryccardo>or output device in PulseAudio
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17:37<xylon_>hi, how come /usr/share/dict/words is a symlink to /etc/dictionaries-common/words, which doesn't exist?
17:37<Ryccardo>do you have "wamerican" installed?
17:39<babilen>starla: Did that work out?
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17:41<starla>babilen: I'm doing some research.
17:41<starla>Haven't tried it yet.
17:42<xylon_>OK, installed wbritish, fixed
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17:45<babilen>wise choice
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18:04<Ryccardo>Do you need to restart something to apply changes in /etc/pm/config.d ?
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18:39<starla>babilen: it's working so far.
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18:40<starla>It's installed the base files under lzo compression and is installing from the network right now.
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19:13<ian>I'm having trouble getting a program running, im a newb, can someone help me?
19:13<retrospectacus>!ask
19:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:13<ian>trying to install AMSYNTH on crunchbang
19:13<retrospectacus>!crunchbang
19:13<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
19:14<ian>it installed but I get configuration error about which audio or midi device
19:14<retrospectacus>ian: this is #debian; we do not support crunchbang, go to their channel ^
19:15<ian>I was thinking this might not be distro specific
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19:20<Sammy123>I am wondering - I can access certain devices via /dev/mapper/a-b and /dev/a/b - which is the preferred way?
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19:35<Walex>Sammy123: '/dev/a/b' is more comnvenient by hand, '/dev/mapper/a-b' is the canonical name.
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19:38<poderes>hola a todo el mundo
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19:39<retrospectacus>poderes: hola. Please speak English or go to #debian-es
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19:46<poderes>hola como estas
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19:55<Sammy123>Walex: Thanks :) was wondering what to put into /etc/fstab, I'm going with /dev/mapper now
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20:06<taqim>whatup
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20:19<devil_>debian
20:19<adga>Hello
20:19<retrospectacus>:D
20:19<bhuddah>yes
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20:34<ben_>Hello. Would someone like to chat to be about runlevels? I don't think I /quite/ understand them
20:34<ben_>Specifically switching runlevels
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20:35<Brigo>ben_: what dont you understand?
20:35<themill>debian doesn't really do runlevels like (old) redhat distros do
20:35<ben_>I think the thing I'm confused about is what happens when I switch
20:36<ben_>I have written a script to switch to runlevel3 if a specific USB drive is inserted
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20:37<ben_>And I expected if I ran the script at runlevel2 (I think it has priority 01) it would switch startup to runlevel3 and carry on loading
20:37<ben_>Is that what it does?
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20:37<ben_>The behaviour I am seeing is it loads a bit differently
20:37-!-marco_craveiro is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
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20:37<ben_>But it may be other scripts - so was wondering if that's right
20:38<ben_>My only experience of runlevels is Debian so no worries about incorrect models from other distros :P
20:39<tjader>What are you trying to achieve?
20:39<Brigo>ben_: you know there are some dirs in etc like /etc/rc0.d, /etc/rc1.d/ ....
20:40<ben_>It's a bit long... I'll type it out though
20:40<ben_>Yep
20:40<ben_>So my real goal is I want to make myself a "Steam Box"
20:40<Brigo>each dir are full of scripts (links to /etc/init.d/)
20:41<ben_>Which by that I mean a computer that boots straight into Steam big picture mode without keyboard input
20:41<ben_>The computer will also be my desktop computer
20:41<ben_>So I can use it for two purposes
20:41<Brigo>when you change to a runlevel 3, the system execute all the scrips in /etc/rc3.d/ with the input start.
20:42<ben_>So I thought a good idea would be to tell the computer which mode to be in (desktop or "Steam box") based on if a USB drive is inserted
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20:42<ben_>As I can't control things with a controller until the gui loads
20:42<ben_>Brigo: that's what I thought it would do
20:43<ben_>Can I show you my scripts
20:43<ben_>?
20:43<tjader>That's what it does.
20:43<ben_>pastebin.debian.net? is that right?
20:43<tjader>But runlevels 2-5 do the samething by default
20:43<Brigo>if then you change to a runlevel 2, the system execs all the scrips in /etc/rc3.d/ with the parameter stop, and then execute all the scrips in /etc/rc2.d/ with the parameter start.
20:43<ben_>ooohh
20:43<ben_>That's more than I thought it did
20:43<tjader>You don't really need to mess with runlevels to do what you want
20:43<ben_>I thought "stop" was only for the K scripts
20:44<ben_>tjader: I thought runlevels would be good because I could customise things a bit more later
20:44<ben_>Not sure what the customisation would be though
20:44<ben_>It's also just fun to understand more about how to get my computer to do cool things
20:45<tjader>You can just write two scripts to be executed by udev on insertion/removal of your usb gadget, for example
20:45<Brigo>ben_: the K is for disable the service.
20:45<ben_>Oohh
20:45<ben_>Okay
20:46<ben_>So what I am seeing is the switch to runlevel 3 works, and a runlevel 3 specific script executes
20:46<ben_>But gdm doesn't load
20:46<babilen>dpkg: enter
20:46<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
20:46<babilen>(just to be able to follow you)
20:47<ben_>It actually stops at the TTY login prompt. I'm using GDM to auto login so I need that.
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20:49<tjader>GDM runs by default on runlevels 2-5
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20:53<ben_>So I looked and my latest attempt has the switch occurring in runlevel 2 with priority 16. So is it correct that scripts in runlevel 2 up to (and including) 16 get executed, then it switches to runlevel 3 and starts executing in there from priority 1?
20:53<ben_>Maybe I just need to stop gdm first before switching levels
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21:02<ben_>Another question I have is how early I can run the level switching script given that it depends on the USB being loaded in /dev/disk/by-uuid/. I put the script at http://paste.debian.net/39820. I thought it would need the filesystem to be loaded. Any thoughts?
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21:14<ben_>I'm off to attempt some more configurations - thanks for your help
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21:57<cxd1>what is the unix command equivalent of clicking the X on a program window to close it?
21:57<cxd1>i know of pkill PID but from what i understand that's the equivalent of a force-quit
21:59<cathryn>hey all, could someone please paste the default contents of /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf for me on a paste site? i would greatly appreciate it. i am running LXDE Debian Wheezy
21:59<cathryn>32bit
22:00<supaman>cxd1: kill -2 pid sends the normal quit signal
22:00<cxd1>thanks supaman
22:02<supaman>cathryn: http://sources.debian.net/src/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/1.7.1-1/conf/50-synaptics.conf
22:02<cxd1>any way to use the name instead of PID?
22:02<cathryn>thank you so kindly
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22:03<supaman>cxd1: not with the kill command, but you could just fire up htop, search for the process you want to kill and press k on it
22:04<retrospectacus>or use "pidof": kill -2 $(pidof whatever)
22:04<supaman>cxd1: killall kills processes by name else
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22:05<babilen>pkill
22:05<cxd1>i use a laptop to instead of right clicking on a program to close it i was hoping to bind a keyboard shortcut to close a program
22:06<babilen>xkill
22:07<cxd1>killall works
22:07<babilen>ah, dammit .. cathryn *really* shouldn't touch that
22:07<supaman>cxd1: if you have a desktop environment then they usually provide such functions
22:07<cxd1>i use a WM, but killall works with the name of the process and doesn't require sudo it looks like. that's cool
22:08<cxd1>although it's not a friendly way to shut down the program i suppose.
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22:12<cathryn>Hello again, I'm using Debian Wheezy LXDE on a netbook and I notice that when I hit the backspace button when there is no text left, it makes this really loud obnoxious beep. Does anyone know how to disable this?
22:12<ChibaPet>Argh. So. How would I follow the instructions at the end of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722163 ? I'm not sure what "mark it M-A:foreign" requires.
22:12<Infiltrator>cxd1: You don't need sudo to kill your own procesess; this goes for kill, killall, etc.
22:12<retrospectacus>cathryn: xset -b
22:13<ChibaPet>cathryn: Look at 'man xset' and note ... well, she can modify without turning it off entirely.
22:13<cxd1>i just realized that. i have been using sudo in front of pkill this whole time when I didn't have to
22:13<ChibaPet>I find 'xset b 100 900 40' pleasing.
22:13<cathryn>thanks gang
22:13<cathryn>im just setting up my sisters netbook for her and i thank you for your time
22:14<ChibaPet>Sure things.
22:14<ChibaPet>thing[
22:14<cxd1>does pkill or killall have an option like kill -2 which sends the normal close signal and not a force-quit?
22:14<ChibaPet>argh, I need to get away from my keyboard before it eats me, but I want to figure out this silly foreign architecture thing
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22:18<ChibaPet>Is such marking something that can be done from my preferences, or must I install a tweaked package?
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23:57<unimono>The desktop environments are a complete mess.
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23:58<unimono>Each one has its own set of programs and they all run together in the same start menu no matter what environment you're in.
23:58<unimono>Is there a way to fix this?
23:58<cathryn>I accidentally deleted the "Shutdown/Logoff" button on my LXDE Wheezy panel settings. Can anybody tell me how to get it back?
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