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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-21

---Logopened Sat Sep 21 00:00:29 2013
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00:06<themill>mct: the hashes are in the signed Release file a couple of directories above that
00:07<themill>mct: i.e. http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release and http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg
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00:15<mct>themill: great, thanks :)
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00:28<vortek>how can i make debian not show up in os detection scans?, it shows im running kernel 2.6 which is tru
00:28<vortek>i want to make it not show anything
00:30<dcraig>are you that ashamed to be running debian? :p
00:31<vortek>i just dont want the attacker to know what kernel im running
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00:39<vortek>how can i do this with iptables?
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00:48<soheil>hi
00:48<soheil>:D
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00:53<mshuler>vortek: if you are talking about something like nmap, the responses from the open ports are guessed for the OS - nothing you can do but not open any ports at all, but that sort of defeats the purpose of a server, no?
00:54<vortek>yeah
00:55<mshuler>and if you are talking specifically about port 22, move sshd to some other high random port and that keeps most login attempts at bay
00:55<vortek>i got everything closed and there still guesing my kernel
00:55<mshuler>who cares?
00:55<mshuler>it's a linux box
00:55<mshuler>ok
00:55<vortek>i dont wnat attacker to know this
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00:56<vortek>or what kernel im running cuase they can use specific kernel exploits on me
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00:56<mshuler>keep it updated for security fixes and you are fine - I've had servers for years that get attacked constantly - they get no where - they are going to guess it's linux, if it's a linux box - run openbsd, if you don't want them guessing it's a linux box ;)
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00:57<vortek>hehe
00:58<mshuler>feel free to nmap 12.am - it's public
00:59<vortek>?
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00:59<mshuler>my servers get scanned all the time - one more scan won't hurt
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01:01<SamB>vortek: you could always disconnect the ethernet cable
01:01<vortek>hehe
01:01<SamB>that should prevent the attacker from discovering anything at all
01:01<vortek>hah
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01:03<mshuler>forgot I had set up sshd on port 443 for a screwy locked down wifi network I was on - meant to shut that off months ago :)
01:04<vortek>lol
01:06<vortek>20/tcp closed ftp-data
01:06<vortek> how do i permatly close these ports so they dont show up in a scan?
01:07<mshuler>that shows it's already closed
01:07<mshuler>do you have an ftp server running on that server?
01:07<vortek>but whys it tell me it is closed why cant it be quit like my other services
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01:09<vortek>or am i worrieying to much?
01:09<mshuler>a DROP rule should just drop packets in the bit bucket, so shouldn't result in 'closed' (I think)
01:10<vortek>k
01:10<mshuler>bit if you are allowing to certain IP addresses, when a blocked IP hits that port, I think it gets a 'closed'
01:11<vortek>ok
01:11<mshuler>s/bit/but/.. vortek: are you running an ftp service on there?
01:11<vortek>nope
01:11<mshuler>shouldn't show at all then..
01:11<vortek>nor am i running irc
01:11<vortek>how do i close it?
01:12<vortek>so it dont show up
01:12<mshuler>are you scanning from a free an clear network, or from a home ISP connection?
01:12<vortek>home isp
01:12<mshuler>could be blocking of those ports by your ISP
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01:13<vortek>no i added a rule set for it
01:13<vortek>but i dont remember which one
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01:13<vortek>and now i just want it closed for good
01:13<mshuler>just allow to the ports you want, then drop everything else - you don't need specific rules
01:13<vortek>i dontknow how to do that
01:14<mshuler>google iptables rules examples - there are tons of them out there :)
01:14<vortek>k tthanxs man
01:14<vortek>;)
01:16<mshuler>heck, I have my simple 2x eth +vpn router rule set on a web server, if you ever need one ;)
01:18<mshuler>oh, and openvpn server configs for port 443 (that pesky neutered wifi network..)
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01:24<vortek>no i dot but tanxs
01:27<mshuler>I was just kind of rambling out loud - I had forgotten about some of the config tidbits I had in a web directory
01:29<mshuler>one of the most painful things to overcome when running openvpn over port 443 is properly passing the traffic of https sites thru the tunnel - there were a couple magic postrouting rules that fixed that, so I keep those configs around
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01:32<vortek>nice
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01:48<b>hi
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01:49<Noskcaj>Does anyone know where the debian-lxde channel is? I'd like to help with packaging
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01:51<no-one>Possibly just use #debian-mentors and/or their mailing list. I don't feel their IRC presence anywhere.
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01:52<Monsieur-B>Coffee time
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01:55<Noskcaj>mattcen,
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02:28<h4ck1ng>HOLA??
02:28<h4ck1ng>HELLO??
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02:34*sane :hi
02:36*sane :package for vlc player is not displayed in synaptic package manager. do you have any idea on this ?
02:37*sane :i did a search for package of vlc player. but it says results not found.
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02:41<manik_>hello
02:42<manik_>is there a way to make Windows key to open Menu?
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03:21<redcap>hello
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03:35<bartm>redcap: feel free to just ask the question
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04:04<EmleyMoor>How can I watch content from channel4.com (4oD) on Debian? I can't get the programme to start
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04:14<sane>screen -x
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04:30<EmleyMoor>Hmmm.. 4oD needs hal, it seems!
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05:18<MSeth>how much time will it take to master php and mysql
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05:25<trout>help
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05:27<no-one>?
05:27<aurelien>that seems serious -_-'
05:27<trout>Is this channel active?
05:28<aurelien>just ask
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05:28<trout>sorry;;
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05:36<babilen>trout: If you require help with something we really have to know what you need help with. Our crystal balls are powerful, but not *that* powerful.
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05:37<trout>babilen: THanko you. I wanted only to read any topics of debian. I have no help.
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05:39<babilen>trout: That's fine. We also have a channel on Freenode (irc.freenode.net) that you might want to idle in too.
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05:40<trout>babilen: OK. I try to watch that channel.
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07:07<mercumaiser>irc://irc.ItaLiaN-AmiCi.NeT/il_veliero-fantasma
07:07<pdm>привет всем
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07:08<ryks>hello world!
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07:14<adam_>Hello. I have some troubles with characters encoding in my terminal. I would like to write characters like "ěščřž" etc, but my UTF8 cant handle it. :(
07:15<adam_>I found this out while typing in vim. for example "š" is written normally, but instead of "ě", vim writes ~[. Terminal write nothing if i press š or ě if UTF8 is set.
07:15<adam_>I dont think i made some changes in my settings, so i dont get it at all. UTF8 was ok, my current locale (ANSIX3.4-1968) was ok too. If I have ANSIX3.4-1968 set in terminal and try to press ěščřž... key, the result are chars "?????".
07:15<adam_>$lang is "en_US.utf8", menu setting in terminal is set to UTF-8. My keyboard setting (in gnome up right on standard display) is set to "cs" (because of y/z). My terminal version is 3.4.1.1.
07:15<nmeum>which terminal emulator are you using?
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07:16<adam_>emulator? In "about" is A terminal emulator for the GNOME desktop. Is that what you wanted?
07:16<musca>3.4.1 sounds like gnome-terminal
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07:23<musca>adam_: did you add your language in gnome systemsettings / Region and Layouts / Layouts ?
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07:25<musca>adam_: there is also an "Options"-button, where you can set "key(s) to change layout"
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07:25<adam_>musca: yes, in layouts I have my native language, in which i need to use those characters (ščřžýáí..) - Czech. In Langugage tab i have set "Unspecified [ANSIX3.4-1968]", Czech is not availible.
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07:27<adam_>musca: ok so you think I should change them in the options menu manually? I was surprised with this problem, because it worked before fine and i wasnt changing it
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07:28<musca>strange, here Czech is available (it's my sid vm).
07:28<adam_>musca: im sry, ill be back in 15 minutes
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07:28<musca>np
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07:52<adam_>musca: im back :). If i am on "Language" tab in option, i have no Czech available. If I press "+", i can choose only English.
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07:53<adam_>musca: in installation, i have choosen britian english, but i thought it is only language of the system (which i wanted english). And as i said, i have no troubles before.
07:53<adam_>(*installation of my wheezy)
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08:56<Brunoo>alguem on ??
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08:59<rhagu>hi I am looking for a debian 7 howto, that explains the setup of a bridged openvpn server, does someone know a good one?
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09:03<gnugr>rhagu:read this https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN
09:04<rhagu>gnugr I already know that one and would go with the tls enabled version, but it says nothing about how to do the bridged setup
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09:06<gnugr>rhagu:do you mean this one https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections?
09:08<rhagu>I will need the bridge-utils as far as I know from ubuntu wikis but this wiki describes the bridge setup mostly for vms (works fine for me) I want this: Site-to-Site Layer 2 Bridging
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09:12<willem>i just installed debian on my pc with a 6870 amd card but i don't get my desktop full screen but my resolution is 1920x1080..
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09:15<joseph-soares>Can I take any help here about installing a termal printer on Linux?
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09:17<gnugr>rhagu:i don't know much about brigding but take a look to that http://docs.openvpn.net/how-to-tutorialsguides/virtual-platforms/site-to-site-layer-2-bridging-using-openvpn-access-server/
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09:19<rhagu>gnugr the bridge is already up and running (basically the same as in ubuntu) I think I will look around a little more thanks for your help, though
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09:24<bk>testing
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09:35<nehuen>hola
09:35<musca>hola nehuen
09:35<musca>!es
09:35<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:54<Debiano>Hello, I'm not sure whether this is the right place to ask, so sorry if this is offtopic. What I am trying to do is connecting a webcam to my computer running Debian Wheezy, either my Logitech Quick Cam Connect or my Logitech HD C310. However, It is not recognized as webcam (no /dev/video). So I spent the last 3 hours with googling and tried to get http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ working. Since this version was made for the 2.x kernel, I failed
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09:58<abrotman>judd: versions qc-usb-source
09:58<judd>Package: qc-usb-source on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-7
09:58<abrotman>hrm ..
09:59<themill>,bug rm qc-usb-source
09:59<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/676965 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: qc-usb-source -- ROM; Obsolete, unmaintained, FTBFS.»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-06-10; last modified: 2012-07-10.
10:00<themill>I don't know what "obsoleted" it (other than all those cameras should have died about 5 years ago)
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10:13<ayaka>I have a problem with kde's dolphin, I disabled akonadi to make it faster, it works. But recently it become slower, if I want to del a file, it would be a long time to display confirm windows
10:13<ayaka>and when I plug u disk, If I click the mount notify, it will half-dead
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10:15<Debiano>Using ./quickcam.sh from the source, I could manage it to work until "Kernel source directory: /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/build". Then I get "[!] Can not find kernel source or even headers." When I point LINUX_DIR to '/usr/src/linux-source-3.2/' I get "awk: cannot open /usr/src/linux-source-3.2//include/linux/version.h (No such file or directory)". So it must be because the file locations are different :S
10:15<Debiano>I do not have the skills to patch this. Are there workarounds?
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10:22<ixi>Debiano pretty sure C310 works out of the box
10:23<ixi>I think it's a v4l2 supported camera
10:23<Debiano>Hm, then wait, I'll try plugging into another port :)
10:24<ixi>yea I just checked the pic, it's exactly the one
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10:24<ixi>I used to have it
10:24<ixi>it worked without any problems on debian, and without any extra installations
10:24<Debiano>lol?
10:24<Debiano>It works :D
10:25<ixi>lol
10:25<Debiano>Thanks!
10:25<ixi>no problem
10:25<Debiano>So happy coding :D And thanks for the support =)
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10:25<fairway>hi all
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10:26<ndividual>hey
10:26<fairway>I just installed debian for the exim and dovecot mail server
10:26<fairway>but mxtoolbox.com found the following problem: SMTP Reverse DNS Resolution
10:26<fairway>Reverse DNS FAILED! This is a problem.
10:26<fairway>where should I start to investigate?
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10:28<ndividual>sorry still new myself maybe I can search and find and answer for ya
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10:29<fairway>cool
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10:36<ompaul>fairway: if you have the mail set up as this MY.Domain.com and it maps to 111.111.111.111 and then you do host my.domain.com you will get 111.111.111.111 but when you do host 111.111.111.111 unless your dns is right ... it will not get a reverse look up and you won't be able to have what is called (please search for this) FQDN <<< that is what you need
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10:43<cae>where can I find the file http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/7.0.0/amd64/jigdo-dlbd/SHA1SUMS ? I't gone, since 7.1.0 has been released. I was looking on archive.d.o, but didn't find something
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10:46<themill>cae: any reason not to just use the 7.1.0 version instead?
10:47<cae>themill: because the Image is ~40 GB large and I just want to verify it (I already have the file, but legitime question through)
10:47<themill>they're in the cd archive -- http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.0.0/amd64/jigdo-dlbd/
10:47<cae>I could use jigdo to build the 7.1.0 one, but that'd overkill
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10:48<cae>ah, thanks. And it's not corrupted :-)
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11:04<m0_>hi
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11:05<m0_>made a mistake here, forgot to comment unstable repos on upgrade and also remove some important stuff
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11:05<m0_>i'm unsure where the issue is
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11:06<m0_>just have access to tty, but I configured wlan0 so hopefully we I can solve this
11:08<musca>m0_: what was your exact commandline?
11:08<m0_>i can post log apt just a sec
11:10<m0_>http://paste.debian.net/44242/
11:11<m0_>dunno if I install DE / DM or another thing
11:11<m0_>xorg seems fine
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11:13<m0_>oops seems that is too long to post there
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11:14<m0_>some other site where I can post the whole apt ?
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11:18<m0_>ok, here it is: http://paste.debian.net/plain/44244
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11:19<sney>,v libc6
11:19<judd>Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-92+b1; sid: 2.17-92+b1
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11:20<sney>m0_: congratulations, you have upgraded part of the way to sid.
11:20<m0_>im aware of that mistake yes
11:21<musca>i count 745 upgraded packages
11:21<m0_>my concern now is to have back DE/DM back
11:21<sney>well sitting at a partial upgrade, a lot of things will be weird
11:21<m0_>now that I configured network/interfaces wlan0
11:21<sney>so, go all the way, and then you can have a desktop back.
11:23<m0_>so, the problem is in desktop core ?
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11:27<m0_>any more interesting tips ?
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11:29<themill>!qotd0
11:29<dpkg><FrozenSpoon> okay. 3.0 woody. I assume a direct woody->etch upgrade should be fairly smooth?
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11:30<sney>m0_: upgrade all the way to sid. OR set sources.list for jessie, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, and run upgrades regularly until it matches up.
11:31<sney>m0_: once you aren't sitting in a half-upgraded state you should be able to install and use whatever de/wm you were trying to
11:32<sney>m0_: also, once you aren't sitting in a half-upgraded state, this channel can help you with the little stuff.
11:32<sney>but we won't help with a bobbitt
11:34<m0_>ok thanks fritz
11:34<ompaul>m0_: tell us are you now doing this apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
11:35<ompaul>timing it's a wonderful thing
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11:38<m0_>ompaul: working on that, thanks 2
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11:39<m0_>never done such upgrade before, so its new to me loosing net and DE due to that
11:40<ompaul>m0_: ah, there was this ... I remember it was about 20 years ago he first dabbled in unix and he was given the following sage advice, there are times you can't get there from here
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11:42<ompaul>s/he/me I was using that in another channel with /me ...
11:43<sney>and subsequently s/me/I/ unless you want to reinforce that one stereotype about how irish people talk
11:43<sney>(unless you talk like that)
11:43<pmart>i created Packages file for my local directory of debs according to !dpkg-scanpackages; now i'd like to do things like `apt-cache show foo/my-local-repo' but apparently it requires Release file which i don't have. should i create it manually? what entries are mandatory? any guidelines for naming?
11:44<ompaul>I do too :)
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11:46<m0_>since I've never done this before, theres no risk of loosing data right ?
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11:46<sney>it is a very tiny risk
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11:53<m0_>btw there's some kind of tool to fallback too ?
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12:06<CQ>hello, I can't print and I have no clue why : ) ... seriously, I'm runnign wheezy, have a Win XP vbox guest running that has a USB printer attached, and cups used to print just fine. now I juet see jobs as pending, and smbclient -L looks normal Any ideas?
12:07<CQ>I can print just fine from the XP guest directly
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12:16<crunchbang>wow
12:16<crunchbang>hello
12:16<praxedes>oi
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12:17<crunchbang>i'm install linux on my PC
12:17<crunchbang>wow
12:17<praxedes>sim
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12:17<crunchbang>sim-sim 3
12:17<praxedes>oi
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12:18<crunchbang>hello all
12:18<CQ>hello
12:18<crunchbang>:)
12:18<Raptor>hello
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12:18<crunchbang>crunchbang it is Linux? true?
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12:20<caravel>hi there
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12:20<caravel>crunchbang: No, it is not. But it includes it (among many other things)
12:21<crunchbang>dont run Iceweasel. Print the error - Server not found
12:21<caravel>and here is #debian, not #crunchbang
12:21<caravel>(even thou one is based on the other, it seems)
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12:22<crunchbang>exit to room #crunchbang?
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12:22<crunchbang>how i did it? sorry for my bad engleashe
12:24<caravel>their chan is on freenode server
12:24<caravel>ircs://irc.freenode.net:6697/#crunchbang
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12:25<crunchbang>thx
12:25<caravel>you're welcome. Enjoy! :)
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12:28<caravel>m0_: you should always backup your data, no matter if you do an upgrade, or not :) Consider your hard drive may just die, any time, always.
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12:31<m0_>in an ideal world data in 3 places at least
12:32<m0_>went all fine
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12:32<m0_>the upgrade, installed lightdm and got my xfce back
12:32<m0_>thanks guys and gals
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12:48<wario>Hello I just install Debian 7 and debian testing on a Dell Latitude ST, but do not recognize the wlan. Can some one help me?
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12:48<KillerBee_>buona sera ragazzi avrei bisogno di una cosa o il video e le imaggini che si vedono a tratti nel mio pc e da poco che uso debian
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12:50<CQ>KillerBee_: go to #debian-it
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12:54<wario>Hello I just install Debian 7 and debian testing on a Dell Latitude ST, but do not recognize the wlan. Can some one help me?
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12:58<chealer>wario: just ask your question
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13:00<mshuler>dpkg: tell wario -about wifi
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13:01<mshuler>wario: depending on the chipset, you may need non-free firmware, so dig around what dpkg told you, ask him some of the referenced questions, etc., and let us know more details, if you still need more help
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13:03<wario>Hello I just install Debian 7 and debian testing on a Dell Latitude ST, but do not recognize the wlan. I have an atheros AR6003 and a Broadcom BCM943224. Can some one help me?
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13:05<wario> I have an atheros AR6003 and a Broadcom BCM943224
13:05<mshuler>wario: it has two wireless chips?
13:05<mshuler>that's...odd
13:05<wario>I install the second one
13:05<wario>to see if it does recognize it
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13:06<wario>the BCM works fine on my laptop
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13:06<mshuler>so you would like to set up the atheros?
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13:07<wario>yes but really nay of the two is ok
13:07<wario>yes but really any of the two is ok
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13:08<mshuler>wario: enable non-free in your sources.list, if you have not already, apt-get update, and install the firmware-atheros package
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13:09<wario>the atheros also have bluetooth and is working the bluetooth but not the wifi
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13:09<wario>letme y trya that
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13:09<wario>will it works with out LAN=
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13:09<wario>will it works with out LAN?
13:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 613] by debhelper
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13:11<mshuler>are you asking if a wireless chipset supports a network connection without a wire? ;)
13:11<wario>no
13:11<wario>I am saying that i dont have network connection now
13:11<wario>the tablet just have wifi
13:11<wario>not ethernet
13:12<mshuler>yeah, you'll need a network connection on the box in question to apt-get update ; apt-get install firmware-atheros
13:12<mshuler>or you could download it somewhere to a usb key and install from that
13:13<wario>what about this one
13:13<wario>http://packages.debian.org/en/jessie/firmware-atheros
13:13<mshuler>that's for jessie/testing - did you install wheezy/stable?
13:14<wario>yes, befeore, an then i install testing
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13:14<mshuler>wheezy would be http://packages.debian.org/en/wheezy/firmware-atheros - I don't understand your last comment - are you running wheezy or jessie?
13:15<wario>jessie
13:15<mshuler>cool - then use the jessie package :)
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13:15<TCW>wario, what hardware do you have there exactly?
13:15<bugtraq>yo noobs
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13:16<wario>atheros AR6003 and a Broadcom BCM943224
13:16<wario>on a dell latitude st
13:17<wario>I justt install the package, whatis the next step?
13:18<mshuler>simplest would be to reboot it and see if your wireless card comes up
13:18<TCW>wario, modprobe -r <module of the chop>; modprope <module of the chip> or just reboot
13:18<wario>no modporb needed?
13:18<wario>ok
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13:18<TCW>wario, during reboot it is done automatically
13:18<wario>ok
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13:19<wario>lets try
13:19<wario>wait
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13:20<Glanzmann>Hello; I want to compile linux head on debian wheezy. I did so. When I do a make install it creates a ramdisk with 128 MB. The old one has 10 MB. I assume it will not boot that way, what can I do to reduce the ramdisk size/
13:20<wario>still not working
13:20<TCW>wario, does ip a s show the device?
13:21<wario>sorry?
13:21<mshuler>dpkg: tell Glanzmann about kernel compile
13:22<TCW>wario, type "ip a s" in a terminal there, it should list all configured / working network controllers with their IP settings. If the wireless device is not shown, we can go from there.
13:22<mshuler>Glanzmann: did you just grab the source and make, etc?
13:22<wario>just thee lo
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13:23<wario>also I am not able to see the cards with lspci
13:23<TCW>wario, lspci and lsusb, is the device listed there?
13:23<TCW>wario, then try lsusb
13:23<wario>and lsusb just list the bluetooth that is also in the same atheros card
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13:24<wario>0cf3:3004 is the bloothoot
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13:24<mshuler>huh. I thought make-kpkg was still preferred - but dpkg says not..
13:24<Glanzmann>mshuler: I did a git clone; cp /boot/configbla .config; yes '' | make oldconfig; make; make modules_install; make install
13:24<Glanzmann>And it boots.
13:24<wario>but i cant see the ARS neitherthe BCM
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13:25<TCW>wario, ehrm... what makes you thing the device is a wireless 802.11 chipset?
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13:25<Glanzmann>I don't want to use make-kpkg at the moment because I'm about to write some patches to the kernel where I often need to rebuild modules.
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13:25<wario>the carrd is an ARS263
13:25<mshuler>Glanzmann: sounds OK to me, then - not sure about getting the ramdisk size down
13:25<KillerBee>sempre uguale quando scorro le pagine vanno a tratti
13:26<KillerBee>oppure quando apro you tube con imaggine intera min va a scatti il video
13:26<nmeum>I accedintaly deleted /var/mail how do I recreate the directory with the correct permissions?
13:26<Glanzmann>mshuler: I thought it would not boot, so I'm happy that it does.
13:26<mshuler>KillerBee: english, please
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13:26<TCW>wario, can you get lspci and lsusb output pasted?
13:26<wario>wait
13:27<wario>yesi can
13:27<TCW>wario, good, do that and use a paste service
13:27<mshuler>KillerBee: or /join #debian-it
13:27<wario>I have to save it to a file adn copy it to this machine
13:27<Glanzmann>l8er
13:27<TCW>wario, ok
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13:28<nmeum>I accedintaly deleted /var/mail how do I recreate the directory with the correct permissions?
13:29<TCW>wario, and while your at it, dmesg > /media/usbstick/dmesg.txt and the same for dmidecode (run as root) please
13:29<mshuler>nmeum: (as root) mkdir /var/mail ; chown root:mail /var/mail ; chmod 2775 /var/mail
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13:31<nmeum>mshuler: thanks
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13:34<wario>lspci
13:34<wario>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Device 4110 (rev 04)
13:34<wario>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 4102 (rev 04)
13:34<wario>00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Device 0817 (rev 03)
13:34<wario>01:01.0 Display controller: Intel Corporation Moorestown External Displays (rev 01)
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13:34<TCW>.oO( why did I even mention to use a paste service? )
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13:35<wario>sorry abut that
13:35<TCW>war, I said use a PASTE service! :p
13:35<TCW>wardhaniopaste.debian.net preferred
13:36<TCW>wario, even
13:36<TCW>so http://paste.debian.net
13:36<wario>sorry i haveneveruse that service
13:36<TCW>wario, there is everytime a time for the first time, make it this time to get to know it ;)
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13:39<wario>Posting 44321 from wario posted at 2013-09-21 19:38:52 expires: 2013-09-22 19:38:52
13:39<TCW>wario, next time tell us the WHOLE url like http://paste.debian.net/44321
13:39<wario>ok
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13:40<TCW>wario, after you pressed send, the URL we need is in your browsers url-field anyway, just copy that and paste it here
13:40<wario>http://paste.debian.net/44322/
13:41<wario>thanks for your patience
13:41<TCW>Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0cf3:3004 Atheros Communications, Inc. <- that usb device seems to be the BT device
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13:42<wario>yes it is
13:42<TCW>wario, I don't see any broadcom device...
13:42<wario>but they are there
13:43<wario>and also the usb blutoot
13:43<TCW>how do you know?
13:43<wario>is a pci card with BT and wifi
13:43<wario>becuase i put then there in the PCI slot
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13:44<wario>http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=c03066265
13:44<wario>there you can see that is card with BT and wlan
13:45<TCW>[ 4.037141] ath6kl: Unable to enable sdio func: -62)
13:45<TCW>[ 4.069625] ath6kl: Failed to init ath6kl core
13:45<TCW>[ 4.069840] ath6kl_sdio: probe of mmc0:0001:1 failed with error -62
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13:45<wario>who do i fix that?
13:46<wario>a broad come BCM943224 is also connected in the other PCI port
13:47<TCW>wario, I'd have to fedd one line at a time to google myself to get an idea what the issue is before even haveing the slightes idea how to fix it, so use google and tell me what you found.
13:47<TCW>feed*
13:48<TCW>wario, why did you install the broadcom thing?
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13:48<wario>becuase i wast able to make the atheros to work
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13:49<m0_>why atheros doesn't work ?
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13:50<wario>sorry
13:50<TCW>wair a second... I guess that thing is NOT a network controller...
13:50<wario>i got ir wrong
13:50<TCW>wait*
13:50<wario>there is two athereos
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13:50<wario>the broadcom isnot there
13:50<wario>the model of the oter atheros
13:51<TCW>wario, could you remove one of them?
13:52<TCW>so that there is only one wlan card to fiddle around with
13:53<TCW>wario, and while your at it, recheck that the one card that is in the tablet is seated well and firm.
13:54<wario>the other one is atheros AR5BXB63
13:54<TCW>and what kind of weird thing is that anyway, wifi + sdio / sd-card?
13:54<wario>I know but is the one that come with the dell latitude st
13:54<wario>butany way
13:55<wario>none of the three cards ar working
13:55<TCW>wario, I suspect the miniPCI-e slot in the tablet is not a real miniPCI-e slot but a crappy usb-only slot.
13:56<wario>i can put the broadcom again bit you will hace to give me a while because is the one thatis now in my laptop where im writing this
13:56<TCW>That means it will only support those miniPCI-cards that only expose a usb device and not a PCI device...
13:56<wario>in fuking windows was working
13:57<TCW>wario, hold on with that, did you understand what I was saying? DO you eveb know that miniPCI-slots can expose devices via PCI and USB?
13:57<TCW>wario, which one? The broadcom?
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13:58<wario>the atheros with BT and Wlan is the original one that came with thte tablet and was working in windows
13:58<maxy>!op Sorry to bother, if anyone can kick/ban a troll in freenode #debian, we need you.
13:59<maxy>!ops
13:59<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
13:59<wario>i didnt know about the usb-only pci
13:59<maxy>dpkg: ops Sorry to bother, if anyone can kick/ban a troll in freenode #debian, we need you.
13:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: maxy complains about: Sorry to bother, if anyone can kick/ban a troll in freenode #debian, we need you.
14:00<wario>but as I say bafore, the atheros with BT and WLAN was working on windows
14:00<TCW>wario, well... I suspect the wlan stuff was exposed via pci and the bt thing via usb. And as both devices worked in windows, if linux supports the chipset it should work on linux as well. You run jessie there, right?
14:00<wario>yes
14:00<wario>I have jessy now
14:01<wario>jessie
14:01<TCW>wario, hum... dmidecode paste is missing...
14:01<m0_>ath9k like mine and is supported
14:01<TCW>m0_, well great, but he has a different one (which I never have heard about)
14:01<wario>I found this butdidnt work
14:01<wario>http://www.mogilowski.net/lang/en-us/2012/02/15/install-ubuntu-on-dell-latitude-st-tablet/
14:02<TCW>I know ath5k and 9k, but 6k? Never heard about that generation...
14:03<TCW>wario, what did not work? ANd are you positive it is the exact same device?
14:05<wario>well he just mention AR6003 which is the one in that board but does not say if is the card with BT also
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14:05<wario>shoud I instal dmidecode?
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14:05<TCW>wario, it should be installed default I think... but it can only be run as root
14:06<pmart>ath6k is bluetooth device
14:06<TCW>3.1 WLAN not working <- in the link abouve, says it is a combo card
14:06<pmart>err
14:06<wario>ok then is the same card
14:07<pmart>no actually i was thinking about ath3k, don't know what ath6k handles
14:07<TCW>wario, but is it the very same tablet?
14:07<wario>yes
14:07<wario>dell latitude st
14:08<TCW>wario, there might be diferent revisions... hardware vedors do such nasty stuff all the time
14:08<wario>ok
14:08<wario>I think mabe the problem is the pci
14:08<wario>becuase I try three cards
14:08<wario>and none of them are listed with lspci
14:08<TCW>wario, that's where dmidecode comes in handy.... anyway, what was the issue with ubuntu failing?
14:09<wario>I didnt install ubuntu I try his solution on debian
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14:09<TCW>wario, well... different distro, different quircks might be needed...
14:09<wario>I konw
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14:10<wario>I will instal again wheezy
14:10<TCW>wario, what he did to fix the wlan chip is adding a kernel-option, which might be obsolete or not possible as debian and ubuntu do NOT use the same kernel...
14:10<TCW>wario, don't!
14:10<wario>ok
14:11<wario>what shoud I do?
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14:11<TCW>wario, stick to one system and try to fix it instead of distro-hopping all the time :) and as jessie uses a nwer kernel, chances are it will not even work with wheezy at all.
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14:11<TCW>wario, well... first, what kernel is used there right now?
14:12<TCW>I don't have a jessie around, but I suppose it is some flavour of 3.10
14:12<wario>wait let me close the tablet again and turnit on
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14:12<TCW>wario, yes... but if it is till open, did you check that the original card is seated well?
14:12<wario>but is the testing form yesterday night
14:13<TCW>one day should *really* not matter at all :)
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14:15<wario>yes is firm
14:15<wario>is connected properly
14:15<TCW>wario, and it is in the same slot is was originally?
14:16<wario>yes
14:16<wario>the slot for the minicard
14:16<wario>half minicard
14:16<TCW>ok, close the box, reboot jessie, check kernel version
14:16<wario>the other is for the wwlan
14:16<TCW>wario, you mean GSM?
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14:16<TCW>as in "WWAN
14:16<TCW>+"
14:17<wario>yws sorry wwan
14:18<wario>version 3.10-2-686-pae
14:19<TCW>wario, ok, and lspci still not showing a thing?
14:19<wario>no
14:19<TCW>and "dmesg|grep ath" still showing the errors?
14:20<wario>but if the card wanst properly conected i wont recognize the BT usb
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14:20<TCW>wario, well... usb and pci use different pins on the card, so it might be while the one part works, the other does not
14:21<wario>yes semae errors about ath6kl
14:22<TCW>but I am just guessing here and suggest basic steps why stuff might not "just work"... when those basic checks are done, we can go down the more trickier part, figureing out if the kernel has an issue with that chip
14:22<wario>but it was working on windows
14:22<wario>also I dont hve the BT icon on the gnome panel
14:23<wario>and it was there ith wheezy
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14:23<wario>ok
14:23<wario>wait
14:23<TCW>well, maybe just a package is missing
14:23<wario>iis working
14:23<wario>I dont know way
14:23<TCW>what is working?
14:23<wario>why
14:23<wario>wifi
14:23<wario>wow
14:23<TCW>wario, huh?
14:23<TCW>wario, ip a s shows the device?
14:24<wario>yes
14:24<wario>ifconfig
14:24<wario>shoes
14:24<TCW>wario, and what about lspci / lsusb? Some new device there?
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14:24<wario>shows
14:24<wario>wlan
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14:24<wario>no
14:24<wario>i cant see them
14:25<TCW>wario, weird... then please dmesg again, paste it
14:25<wario>with lsusb neither with pci
14:25<teage>there is no man page for cc. shouldnt there be?
14:26<wario>ok wait
14:26<wario>i will pase ti
14:26<wario>I think was the deb package
14:26<wario>I am note sure
14:27<SamB>teage: yeah, I guess there should be a slave alternative for the manpage ...
14:27<TCW>I doubt that, as the dmesg before did not mention any "firmware missing" for ath6k
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14:28<TCW>wario, at least if you mean with deb-package the firmware package you installed earlier
14:28<teage>Sam8, A slave alternative? Imma look that up. thanks
14:29<wario>dmesg
14:29<wario>http://paste.debian.net/44341/
14:29<SamB>teage: it's something the gcc and clang packages probably need to do
14:29<wario>yes the firmware package
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14:30<wario>should I try with wheeze? ad the firmware package?
14:30<TCW>wario, compare the two dmesg pastes... you'll see the new one mentions firmware stuff for ath6k
14:31<TCW>wario, why downgrade? Are you not comfortable with jessie/testing?
14:31<teage>mistaken the B for a 8 in SamB, sorry
14:32<SamB>oh, somehow I didn't even notice ;-)
14:32<wario>i think there are some isues
14:32<wario>the SD card is not working
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14:32<wario>it was working on whezze
14:32<TCW>wario, see line 736 ff
14:32<wario>when i mount an usb memory I cant write to it unles i am su
14:33<wario>I cant use the BT that was working on wheezey
14:33<wario>[ 4.312744] ath6kl_sdio mmc0:0001:1: firmware: agent aborted loading ath6k/AR6003/hw2.1.1/bdata.bin (not found?)
14:33<TCW>wario, so basically it works, please, be craful if you claim something does not work, you just have a minor issue there which can be fixed rather easy I guess
14:34<TCW>wario, what makes you think you can't use the BT stuff? And again, be very very careful when claiming something does not work in general.
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14:35<TCW>as a moment ago we clearly had a hardware issue, which means it did really not work. No it does but a few issues might be left, big difference.
14:36<TCW>s/no/Now/
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14:36<wario>ok
14:36<TCW>wario, so be verbose, what exactly does not work as expected?
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14:38<wario>the SDcard reader
14:38<TCW>wario, I said VERBOSE! :p
14:39<wario>wait please
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14:43<wario>may bad, the sd is working
14:44<wario>can you helpme with the BT?
14:44<TCW>wario, well... for the future, distinguish between "not working" and "having an issue", ok? :)
14:45<wario>ok I will , for sure
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14:47<TCW>wario, first, make a backup of the current dmesg paste. I suspect the wifi chip might not work reliable, reboot and it might break down again. SO make a backup of the current dmesg with a working system, so we can compare the kernel messages when it might not work anymore. At least one of the websites I found talking about the error messages we saw before indicate that the chip might have some reliability issues as in one time it works and the next
14:47<TCW>time it doesn't.
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14:48<wario>ok im rebooting
14:48<TCW>why!?
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14:50<wario>you tall me to reboot didnt you?
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14:50<wario>the wifi isstill working
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14:51<TCW>wario, no, I did not. I said make a backup of the current dmesg, so WHEN / IF after a reboot (or some days, weeks, whatever) wifi stops working (as in ip a s does not show a network device for that thing) we have some "baseline" to compare against.
14:51<wario>ok
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14:52<wario>I have the backup
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14:52<TCW>wario, so BT stuff... hcidump as root in a terminal, does it show a device?
14:53<TCW>wario, or "hcitool dev" as normal user, should print out a BT device if the hardware works
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14:53<wario>commoand not found
14:54<wario>there is hcitool
14:54<wario>ok
14:54<TCW>wario, well... no wonder then, I guess the whole BT-software stack is missing
14:54<TCW>wario, huh? hcitool is there but hciconfig (AS ROOT!) is not?
14:55<wario>hci0 8:ED:....
14:55<TCW>wario, answer the question
14:56<wario>hciconfig
14:56<wario>shows hci0
14:56<wario>type BR/EDR
14:57<TCW>wario, so hciconfig IS there?
14:57<wario>ys
14:57<wario>yes
14:58<TCW>wario, as user: hcitool -i hci0 scan
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14:58<wario>scanning
14:58<wario>...
14:58<wario>found my laptop
14:59<TCW>wario, great, so basically your BT stuff DOES work. WHat is missing?
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14:59<wario>gnome panel
14:59<wario>icon
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15:00<TCW>wario, no idea about gnome 3 there... but can one add a bt-applet to gnome3?
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15:00<wario>ok
15:00<wario>one more isue
15:00<wario>issue
15:00<TCW>I am on a different desktop environment, when I plug in a BT dongle an icon shows up automatically
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15:02<azyr>does anyone have experience on Lenovo X230 with Debian?
15:02<wario>if i mount a usb meory
15:02<retrospectacus>azyr: assume everybody has and ask your real question
15:03<wario>i cant write on it unless i am su
15:03<TCW>wario, what filesystem is used on the usb storage device?
15:03<wario>should i change the permisions on /media/usb0
15:03<wario>?
15:03<azyr>i wonder if the built in 3G/4G works ?
15:03<azyr>on X230
15:04<TCW>wario, paste: mount;ls -l /media/usb0/
15:04<retrospectacus>azyr: I don't see why not
15:04<retrospectacus>azyr: can you see the device in "lspci -nn" or "lsusb"?
15:05<azyr>i dont have that laptop yet
15:05<azyr>i was thinking about buying it and installing debian on it
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15:05<TCW>asfethan, just ask google then
15:05<TCW>azyr, even
15:05<azyr>even?
15:06<wario>fat32
15:06<wario>letme check
15:06<TCW>azyr, s/asfethan/azyr/ if you are more comfortable with that
15:06<wario>fat16
15:07<azyr>yes, im googling about it
15:08<TCW>wario, mount paste?
15:09<wario>wait
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15:09<wario>media/usb0 type vfat (rw,
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15:10<TCW>wario, the whole thing please
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15:12<scientes>i connect to cdn.debian.net once and i get application/x-xz, i connect again and i get application/x-tar
15:13<scientes>good this hasn't caused problems for people
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15:14<wario>mount
15:14<wario>http://paste.debian.net/44361/
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15:14<SamB>scientes: odd
15:14<SamB>some content-transfer-encoding thing?
15:14<TCW>wario, how exactly did you mount it?
15:15<wario>jut plug it in
15:16<wario>just plug it in
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15:16<TCW>wario, and then?
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15:17<wario>nautilus opens
15:17<TCW>wario, ok, so gnome does the mounting
15:17<wario>I can see the files but unless I use nautilus as su i cant write
15:18<wario>yes
15:18<TCW>wario, see this (vfat / fat32 usb stick here): /dev/sdg1 on /media/mschmitt/MULTIBOOT type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2)
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15:18<TCW>wario, compare that to what mount options were used in your setup, notice the difference?
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15:20<TCW>wario, and isn't that a jessie box? Or is that a different system with wheezy?
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15:21<TCW>as I think that last udisks thing is not used in wheezy but jessie and sid. But that thing is not the important one anyway.
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15:22<wario>what is the isue here
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15:25<TCW>wario, well... basically uid=NNNN,gid=NNNN
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15:25<TCW>wario, you know what uid and gid is?
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15:26<wario>no
15:26<TCW>wario, uargs... how long do you use GNU/Linux? :)
15:27<wario>7 yesars
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15:28<TCW>wario, holy sh... I guess you really should consider reading a book about GNU/Linux then :)
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15:28<sinclairos>ё
15:29<TCW>wario, anyway, for understanding the issue I could explain it, but you could just find a doc on google that does the same thing. I suggest you ask google for something on the topic of unix (or linux) filesystem rights and permissions
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15:31<TCW>wario, and to make it short, gnome does mount the device incorrectly apparently, so you as user can't write to the usb storage device. Using root / su / sudo to workaround that is *not* the solution, neither a sensible workaround. The solution is to configure gnome to make it corretcly. I don't use gnome, so I can't help you much. But I guess there is some tool to change the mountoptions for usb storage devices.
15:31<sinclairos>helo
15:31<wario>ok thanks
15:32<wario>I will search for that
15:32<sinclairos>я только по русски
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15:32<TCW>sinclairos, english only please.
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15:33<wario>thanks for all
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15:34<sinclairos>I'll try just a translator
15:34<TCW>sinclairos, what is your native language?
15:35<sinclairos>that on this channel are doing nothing to talk about?
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15:36<sinclairos>Russian
15:36<TCW>sinclairos, well...
15:36<TCW>!ru
15:36<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
15:37<sinclairos>ок
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15:46<am>wario: do you have usnmount installed?
15:47<am>sorry usbmount
15:47<TCW>usbmount?
15:48<am>go to synaptic
15:48<am>and enter usbmount
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15:48<TCW>am, ...
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15:50<TCW>am, the thing is gnoem does all that already, usbmount is something one can use if he does nt use gnome or not even X at all. Suggesting one to install it (well, I suppose you did that, even if it was not your intention) even if he uses gnome defeats the purpose of fixing the issue correctly.
15:50<am>if you have usbmount installed. enter: sudo gedit /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf
15:50<donpix>OK
15:51<am>look there for FS_MOUNTOPTIONS
15:51<TCW>am, you don't get what I said, right?
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15:53<am>you have a problem to write a file to USB? right?
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15:53<TCW>am, me? No. He, yes, but what you suggest does not apply
15:54<am>well if you have a usbmount installed it does.
15:54<am>I had same problem a while ago.
15:55<TCW>I guess what might happen would be a conflict between gnome and usbmount. One time one will win, the next time the other. But he could disable the gnome part that does that auto-mounting... or just fix it, then he would not need a "hack" like usbmount in the first place.
15:56<am>you have to tell usbmount how to set permissions
15:56<TCW>am, I am aware about what usbmount does...
15:57<am>FS_MOUNTOPTIONS="-fstype=vfat,gid=floppy,dmask=0000,fmask=0000"
15:57<TCW>quite usable on a server for example, on e desktop where the desktop environment does those things, it is just not needed and may cause issues over time. WHy not just fix the issue instead?
15:57<am>enter this
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15:57<am>this should allow you to write files to usb stick
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15:58<am>try it is it will not work you can always deleted it.
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16:01<TCW>wario, how is it going?
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16:09<backbox>hello
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16:16<pmart>i just found something strange. the package fglrx-driver/wheezy pulls in fglrx-glx-ia32 (it's useless, i know) as one of entries in Recommends list, however `apt-cache show' doesn't show fglrx-glx-ia32 on Recommends: line. i downloaded the .deb and dependency *is* there (it appears at packages.d.o as well). how come?
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16:25<TCW>wario, huhu? :) I might have an idea.... and suprise, most likely a misconfiguration on your system
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16:28<lupine>I'm surprised mazda aren't hotter for electric cars
16:29<stderr>lupine: Wrong channel?
16:29<lupine>hah. yes :D
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16:54<TheBigB>Im having some issues with my network interface. Is this the right address for help?
16:55<SynrG>if it's debian, sure
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16:56<TheBigB>okay, so Ive got a static ip configured in /etc/networking/interfaces
16:56<TheBigB>http://pastebin.com/J1yQwEwV
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16:57<risko>if I don't have xscreensaver installed or any sort of screensaver installed, after 30 minutes or an hour, will my screen blank/black out or something? or will it remain the same? (without xscreensaver)
16:57<SynrG>TheBigB: what's 'dns-nameservers'?
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16:58<risko>synrg?
16:58<TheBigB>thats a feature of resolvconf
16:58<SynrG>k
16:58<SynrG>TheBigB: and what's the nature of the problem?
16:59<TheBigB>well, at a random point in time, the network interface acquires a DHCP address
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16:59<risko>if I don't have xscreensaver installed or any sort of screensaver installed, after 30 minutes or an hour, will my screen blank/black out or something? or will it remain the same? (without xscreensaver) anybody?
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16:59<risko>does anybody know?
16:59<risko>helloooooooooo?
16:59<SynrG>risko: we heard the first time
16:59<risko>synrg: and didn't reply at the first time, but replied at the second time
16:59<risko>maybe, the third time, you can have enough strength to answer
17:00<risko>so thats how it works, ask 3 times if you want an answer
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17:00<TheBigB>Ive looked at the syslog and it appears that it has been doing dhcp requests every 30 seconds or so
17:00<devil_>risko: all this is for free, as is the OS, so please…
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17:01<SynrG>TheBigB: ok. well, i haven't used resolvconf. i'm not sure what benefit there is to using it in this situation
17:01<SynrG>i would uninstall resolvconf, configure the static interface, and manually add "nameserver 192.168.1.1" to /etc/resolv.conf
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17:04<jeremiah>I can't seem to be rid of console-common, even with apt-get -f remove.
17:04<jeremiah>Does anyone have an recommendation as to how to remove a stuck package?
17:04<SynrG>!bat
17:04<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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17:05<jeremiah>Thanks SynrG
17:05<jeremiah>Will do
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17:06<jeremiah>http://paste.debian.net/44419/
17:06<jeremiah>That link above shows the command, its output, and the policy
17:08<SynrG>k
17:10<SynrG>is that debian's virtualbox's vboxdrv or upstream's?
17:10<TheBigB>ok, thanks for the suggestion
17:10<aidalgol>What is "bat" short for?
17:11<TCW>BadAptThing? :)
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17:12<jeremiah>SynrG: I think it may be upstreams.
17:13<jeremiah>SynrG: I don't mind removing it, I rarely use it.
17:13<SynrG>hmm
17:13<am>how about: sudo apt-get autoremove console-common
17:13<SynrG>not sure if that's the cause. it certainly is supicious though
17:13<SynrG>eh?
17:13<SynrG>autoremove doesn't take any arguments
17:14<jeremiah>am: That won't work in this case I'm afraid.
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17:14<jeremiah>am: autoremove is for packages that were installed as dependencies but are now no longer needed.
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17:15<jeremiah>In my case, I'm trying to remove a package that is not yet fully configured due to a init script.
17:16<mshuler>one can 'apt-get autoremove <pkg>' to remove the named package along with deps no longer needed
17:16<jeremiah>I'd report a bug against console-common but the maintainer doesn't look very active and I don't think it would help.
17:16<jeremiah>mshuler: Hmm, the man page for apt-get didn't seem to mention that. I'll read it again.
17:16<mshuler>I do it all the time
17:16<SynrG>jeremiah: it broke first when installed or upgraded?
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17:17<jeremiah>SynrG: upgraded I believe
17:17<SynrG>anyway, with testing you should probably be at #debian-next
17:17<Bitola>hello
17:17<jeremiah>SynrG: Ah, okay.
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17:33<Mannequin>hi. Which is the difference (if any) between:
17:33<Mannequin>deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main
17:33<Mannequin>and
17:33<Mannequin>deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy/updates main
17:33<Mannequin>(both lines taken from Debian Wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList)
17:33<faruk>hi
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17:35<faruk>how to configure apache with libapache2-mod-fastcgi
17:35<faruk>it made a real pain to me
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17:37<supaman>Mannequin: looking at that wiki page the latter source is http://security.debian.org, not http://http.debian.net
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17:38<Mannequin>supaman, you are right (sorry, my bad)
17:38<supaman>Mannequin: np
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17:39<Mannequin>so, I may reformulate the question: what's the difference between "wheezy-updates" and "wheezy/updates"?
17:39<supaman>faruk: dont know much about apache, but what did you try, what did you expect to happen from that, what happened instead?
17:39<supaman>Mannequin: its just different directories on different repositories
17:40<supaman>Mannequin: one for security updates, the other for general updates
17:40<supaman>Mannequin: not really sure what the wheezy-updates is for though, never use stable myself
17:41<Mannequin>supaman, I'm on testing too, but making my head around on how to downgrade some packages to stable release.
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17:42<Mannequin>So I'm re-studying (can't recall how many times I did already) all things source.list and apt-preferences...
17:42<Mannequin>:)
17:42<faruk>thanks supaman; all on debian7, i have apache2 installed and i have installed clisp from command line with its module fastcgi, and i tried to install apache with mod_fastcgi to work with it, make it talk with clisp to run my scripts.
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17:47<faruk>i have downloaded libapache2-mod-fastcgi from but i do not know how to install it.
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17:49<faruk>before this i tried libapache2-mod-fastcgid from synaptic but at the make step from command line it could not install and said a special.mk file is missing.
17:50<supaman>faruk: hmmm, instead of trying to install libapache2-mod-fastcgi from source lets try to get the debian package installed instead
17:51<supaman>faruk: on a command line, could you issue "sudo aptitude install libapace2-mod-fastcgi", if that doesn't work, could you copy and paste the outcome to paste.debian.net
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17:52<faruk>ok
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17:54<faruk>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libapace2-mod-fastcgi"
17:54<faruk>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libapace2-mod-fastcgi"
17:54<faruk>The following packages will be REMOVED:
17:54<faruk> xulrunner-10.0{u}
17:54<faruk>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
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17:55<esc>hi, there is something on my machine that changes the cpu-frequency governor when unplugging the power-supply
17:55<esc>can someone hint at me which process or whtever this might be?
17:56<esc>it's a debian stable
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17:56<supaman>faruk: dont paste in here, use paste.debian.net
17:56<esc>and this is a default something
17:57<supaman>faruk: and you had a typo in your package name, you typed libapace, missed an h there, supposed to be libapache2-mod-fastcgi
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17:57<faruk>sorry
17:57<esc>i have no idea even about the right words to describe my problem so apologies for being vague
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18:01<faruk>i have pasted it on the paste.debian.net and i do not know the system at all, do i need to give a link or some identifier to you here for it
18:01<supaman>faruk: I see it, but usually we copy and paste the link to the paste
18:03<supaman>faruk: ahh, the package is in non-free, you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and add non-free (do you know how to do that?)
18:04<faruk>not exactly.
18:04<supaman>faruk: ok, do you have a favorite editor on the command line?
18:04<faruk>i just started emacs
18:05<faruk>so newbie i am
18:05<supaman>faruk: ok, do sudo emacs /etc/apt/sources.list
18:06<faruk>by the way i just opened it by double clickin it by gedit
18:07<supaman>and at the line that says deb http://some_server_that_you_fetch_your_packages_from then it says stable or wheezy, then it says main, add after the main (in the same line) the word non-free
18:07<faruk>can i do it from here
18:07<supaman>faruk: don't think so no, the file should have opened as read only by doing that, you need to be superuser to edit it
18:07<faruk>ok opened with emacs as you said
18:08<supaman>faruk: see https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList to see how a typical line looks like
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18:08<supaman>faruk: after you edit your line it should read deb http://something/ wheezy main non-free
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18:09<supaman>adding contrib doesn't hurt, so it should read deb http://something/ wheezy main contrib non-free ... then you have access to all official debian packages
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18:10<faruk>ok i added that line what u said
18:10<faruk>now should i try aptitude .. comman again
18:10<supaman>faruk: ok, back at the command line, run aptitude update
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18:11<supaman>first update
18:11<supaman>aptitude needs to know that it should look in new directories for the non-free (and contrib if you included that) stuff
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18:13<esc>it was laptop-mode
18:13<faruk>i have a paste http://paste.debian.net/44438/
18:14<supaman>esc: so you fixed it yourself? excellent, sorry I couldn't help, had no idea what was wrong there
18:14<faruk>i dont know why may be i typed something like double at top of the file there is a line like that
18:14<faruk>it it normal
18:14<supaman>faruk: ok, paste the content of the file /etc/apt/sources.conf
18:14<esc>yeah, I figured how to disable laptop mode
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18:15<esc>vim /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf
18:16<faruk>do you mean sources.list because i dont have sources.conf
18:16<esc>now the performance governor doesn't change when I unplug it
18:16<supaman>faruk: sorry, yes, misremembered the name :-)
18:16<esc>or when power is temporarily cut
18:16<esc>yay, can run my benchmarks w/o interferenec
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18:18<faruk>ok pasted http://paste.debian.net/44440/
18:19<supaman>faruk: yeh, that first line should not be there
18:19<faruk>there is also a sources.list.save and it odes not have this double line at top
18:19<supaman>faruk: delete the double#
18:19<faruk>ok it seems i made it wrongly there
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18:20<supaman>after you delete that line, save it and run the aptitude update command again
18:22<faruk>i have deleted the line and run aptitude update
18:22<supaman>and no error?
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18:22<faruk>error again could not open lock file
18:22<supaman>you did run it as superuser right?
18:23<faruk>on paste http://paste.debian.net/44442/
18:23<faruk>no
18:23<faruk>running as superuser again
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18:24<faruk>ran as sudo aptitude update ok
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18:24<supaman>faruk: ok, then do sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-fastcgi
18:24<faruk>it finished after getting packages and with a last lien current status 685 new [+685]
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18:27<faruk>i have a paste it says : http://paste.debian.net/44447/
18:28<supaman>faruk: excellent, now you have the fastcgi module installed, you need to enable it on your server by issuing that command (as superuser) given at the end of your paste
18:29<faruk>out of curiosity i have run it again after that it said: http://paste.debian.net/44452/ no problem i think it means because it has already did
18:29<faruk>thanks
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18:30<supaman>well, the aptitude install command just tries to install packages, it doesn't enable them in apache2
18:30<faruk>i have issued sudo service apache2 restart and it gave a prompt with failed! at the end is that normal because it says already installed things
18:30<ZombieSloth>hugs pls?
18:31<faruk>paste for yhat http://paste.debian.net/44453/
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18:33<supaman>faruk: ok, thats not good
18:34<faruk>what is the problem exactly and how to solve it
18:34<faruk>there was line i have added to my apache2.conf file
18:34<supaman>faruk: have a look in the apache error log and see if you see someting of value there
18:34<faruk>one includes the syntax error issued
18:35<supaman>faruk: uncomment that line
18:35<supaman>I mean comment that line out
18:35<faruk>ok
18:35<supaman>damn, I can't communicate correctly :-)
18:36<faruk>no comments :P
18:36<faruk>i find very helpful
18:36<faruk>comment done
18:36<supaman>ok, try to restart apache again
18:36<faruk>i uncommented every lien i have added
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18:36<faruk>*line
18:37<supaman>you mean "commented them out" right? you added a # in front of them?
18:37<faruk>and i have tried sudo service apache2 restart it said with an end lien ok.
18:37<supaman>excellent
18:38<faruk>yes commented them out by adding # to every line i have onece added
18:38<faruk>like load module line
18:38<supaman>now does your system do what you want it to do?
18:38<faruk>and ifmodule block lines
18:38<faruk>let me see
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18:41<faruk>prompt of sudo service apache2 restart : http://paste.debian.net/44462/
18:42<faruk>i must say no.
18:43<supaman>well, your apache is working, but seems NameVirtualHost is not properly configured
18:43<faruk>i have in a file in /var/www/fastcgi-bin directory and a script writtn in commonlisp named foo.fcgi. both directory and file created by me.
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18:43<faruk>is name virtual host has anything to do with common lisp implementation i use taht is clisp
18:44<supaman>ok, now we are out of my league, sorry
18:44<faruk>yes it was 80 once i have once installed nginx and it lstened on taht port so i have changed it once
18:44<supaman>someone else can jump in now?
18:44<faruk>forgot to mention
18:44<faruk>ok
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18:45<faruk>by the way directing url to script gives internal server error.
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18:46<faruk>and can i have some conceptual questions. my ssaying out of your league did you mean common lisp. sorry maybe because i am not a native speaker.
18:46<faruk>*by saying ...
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18:47<supaman>faruk: I just mean that I don't know much about configuring apache (even more so lisp)
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18:47<faruk>i meant above and the conceptual questions was about apache and directing it to another process by fastcgi protocol.
18:47<faruk>ah, just saw message no
18:47<faruk>now
18:47<faruk>thank you
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21:03<lin>how to get amd64 package instead of i386 by apt-get?
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21:05<sney>!multiarch
21:05<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
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21:11<themill>lin: what's the current output of "uname -r" there?
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21:15<kirilos>I messed my sources.list so i'd like a link to find the default values for that.thanks
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21:17<neon>"hdparm -y /dev/sdc" work but "hdparm -S 0 /dev/sdc" don't work, and the setting on hdparm.conf of "/dev/sdc {spindown_time = 1}" doesn't work. Can anyone help me put my HDs to sleep automatically?
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21:18<sney>!tekll kirilos about wheezy sources.list
21:18<sney>nips
21:18<sney>!tell kirilos about wheezy sources.list
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21:19<kirilos>ty sney
21:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 574] by debhelper
21:20<kirilos>sney: may i ask where i can find the ones i need for local mirrors ?
21:20<sney>kirilos: see http://http.debian.net/
21:22<lin>themill, I have pae&amd64 kernel image installed. so "3.10-3-686-pae" or "3.10-3-686-amd64"
21:23<themill>lin: so you can install amd64 packages but they won't be functional unless you're running the amd64 kernel there. You won't be running a fully amd64 system by doing this, just an i386 system with a few amd64 programs
21:24<kirilos>sney: how can i add contrib and non-free now ?
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21:24<sney>kirilos: after 'main'
21:25<kirilos>sney: in every default line i should contrib non-free right after main ?
21:26<lin>themill, so how can i selective installed i386 or amd64 package?
21:26<kirilos>/msg dpkg
21:26<kirilos>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
21:26<kirilos>deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
21:26<kirilos>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ testing-updates main contrib non-free
21:27<themill>kirilos: there's no such things as testing/updates or testing-updates.
21:27<themill>(also, why do you want to run testing?)
21:27<themill>lin: apt-get install package:amd64 (the default will remain i386 on that machine).
21:27<kirilos>themill: i need for some apps i wanna use.You see that's how i messed my sources.list.All i wanted was move to testing(something i may or may not already did) and then add contrib & non-free
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21:29<themill>kirilos: specifically what apps? Given that you seem to not be very confident in dealing with debian, I wonder if running testing is such a good idea right now
21:29<lin>themill, thank much
21:30<kirilos>themill: Doesn't really matter,I'm used to linux,just not debian.That's why I can't figure out the sources i need.Don't worry,just help me out find what sources i need to add
21:33<kirilos>themill: so,will you ?
21:34<themill>well, a user who knows their way around debian well enough to survive using testing already has that information...
21:34<sney>kirilos: you already have that information anyway. take what you had and remove the ones you now know don't exist.
21:34<sney>also,
21:34<sney>!tell kirilos about testing sources.list
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21:36<kirilos>themill: i never said i know enough about debian,i really think though that i can find my way around in a testing eviroment like this.This whole setup is just for testing if debian works for me.For some odd reason the wiki pages are way too confusing when it comes to sources.
21:36<sney>just remember not to freak out when a transition hits. and from now until debian 8 releases there will be a lot of transitions
21:37<themill>kirilos: the wiki pages help stable users run stable. Many consider the ability to write your sources.list a minimal test on whether you should be running testing.
21:38<kirilos>themill: yeah but how im i supossed to know what to right since i don't know how debian like to deal with their sources?I should figure out by myself the mirrors and stuff ?
21:39<themill>well dpkg has now given you that information twice...
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21:39<kirilos>themill: it told me what i need to know about stable not testing
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21:51<kirilos>themill: can you please tell me what's wrong? http://paste.debian.net/44538/%G
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21:51<themill>[11:27] <themill> kirilos: there's no such things as testing/updates or testing-updates.
21:51<kirilos>themill: so should i only use the first lne ?
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21:53<pmart>how can i check if the linux console VT (1-6) is in framebuffer mode or text mode?
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21:55<pmart>TERM is set to linux
21:55<supaman>kirilos: yes
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22:16<topcyde_>I was installing a .deb package using dpkg and had an unsatisfied dependency, I got it figured out and everything is working now, but I was curious as to how to query for dependencies before hand to avoid future difficulties. I can't see anything in the deb-hbk or an option in the man pages for dpkg that will do that?
22:17<themill>topcyde_: using apt is the best way ;)
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22:18<topcyde_>to install a .deb package not from the debian servers?
22:18<topcyde_>I thought I had to use dpkg.
22:19<themill>well... I would always be *very* suspicious of a random .deb that was downloaded from somewhere
22:19<topcyde_>it's not random it's rstudio and I need it for a course
22:20<topcyde_>so there's no info in the man page for apt
22:21<retrospectacus>use dpkg -I topcyde.deb
22:21<pmart>topcyde_: you can setup your local simple repository of debs with dpkg-scanpackages,
22:21<pmart>!dpkg-scanpackages
22:21<dpkg>dpkg-scanpackages is, like, a tool to make your own repository for apt: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] Add a deb line to your /etc/apt/sources.list: "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./" or "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./". Alternatively, ask me about <reprepro>.
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22:22<retrospectacus>topcyde_: and after "dpkg -i topcyde.deb" fails, just run "apt-get -f install" to install its deps and everything
22:22<themill>topcyde_: "dpkg --info foo.deb" would give you this info prior to install. You could use gdebi or just "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" to install it.
22:22<themill>topcyde_: but remember, you've giving root on your machine to anyone you install a package from. Make sure you trust them
22:24<topcyde_>themill: --info doesn't show up as an option in my man pages
22:25<topcyde_>oh there it is dpkg-deb --info
22:25<topcyde_>once again I didn't read far enough
22:25<themill>yeah, if you run dpkg --info it just passes it off to dpkg-debn
22:25<themill>-n
22:26<topcyde_>I thought dpkg-deb was for building source into a .deb?
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22:28<topcyde_>oh they work together. Thanks. Sometimes just talking to someone about this stuff helps me to process it better than just reading it.
22:29<topcyde_>themill: +1 thanks
22:29<topcyde_>got to go
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22:47<vermin>I made it, I am new to debian and cannot seem to get flash player installed, I think I messed up when I installed it and only used the first disc and I am downloading the updates now. Am I doing the right thing?
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22:49<sney>!adobe flash
22:49<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package . There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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22:56<vermin>Do I need to have all updates installed before flash player will work?
22:56<sney>having all updates installed before you do extra stuff is usually a good idea, but for stable it shouldn't make much difference
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22:57<vermin>Then I am not finding the correct link I thought I found one and downloaded it and it still didn't work.
22:57<sney>do you see what dpkg said a few minutes ago
22:58<sney>you need to enable non-free and install the flashplugin-nonfree package.
22:58<vermin>Yes I saw that, ok let me look for non-free
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22:59<SarahBeth-CHAT>I'm in a Live Adult Video Chat Room Naked - http://bit.ly/1aV6Bk4
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22:59<sney>!ops ^ that
22:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: ^ that
22:59-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
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22:59-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
23:00<sney>same ip every time and in other channels as well.
23:01<vermin>It is telling me permission denied.
23:02<sney>vermin: any time you do system maintenance tasks you need to be root. this includes editing files in /etc and installing packages
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23:03<sney>you can become root with 'su' or by logging in directly, though a lot of people like to use sudo instead
23:03<vermin>I am in root...
23:03<mentor>Make sure you understand commands to be run as root before running them
23:03<sney>that too
23:03<vermin>I thought I had the right command...
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23:04<vermin>==/ect/apt/sources.list?
23:04<moteb>hello every one :)
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23:09<sney>vermin: that's /etc/apt/sources.list and it's a text file that's used to configure the package manager, not a command
23:10<sney>if you want to change something in it, you need to use a text editor
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23:13<vermin>I have no idea how to do this.
23:13<vermin>And I am not finding any helpful information online.
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23:17<vermin>I think/hope I found something.
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23:23<vermin>-No that did not help me, how do I open this file and what text editor do I need to enable non-free?
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23:28<vermin>I am having absolutely no luck at all.
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23:30<ferryman>hi all.. trying to set up gnome on the desktop of eeepc 701 4G, after installing wheezy 7.1 What is the way to go about it?. Is it on the eeepc already or do I have to install it from a repository?
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23:31<sney>vermin: 'nano' is one editor that should already be installed on your system
23:31<z4veloc>Hi folks...can i ask ?'s re. xubuntu here
23:31<sney>z4veloc: no
23:32<z4veloc>wow..quik...ok...thanks
23:32<sney>vermin: there is also a lot of information in the debian handbook at debian-handbook.info, here's the section on apt/sources.list http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html
23:32<sney>!tell z4veloc about based on debian
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23:33<vermin>Thanks sney
23:34<sney>!tell ferryman about install gnome
23:37<ferryman>thanks sney for dpkg info
23:37<sney>np
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