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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-22

---Logopened Sun Sep 22 00:00:31 2013
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00:55<topcyde>I've tried several different commands to get the information about the latest installed version of a package. this one seemed to work the best $ apt-cache showpkg -q ,
00:55<themill>topcyde: what information do you want?
00:55<topcyde>but I'd like to avoid the screen dump caused by the reverse dependencies list when checking a library package
00:55<topcyde>sorry type slow
00:57<topcyde>putting the -q really didn't quite it any and I really just want the lastest installed version number. I know I can get it in aptitude and synaptic but I was wondering if there was an easier cmd line for it?
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01:00<themill>apt-cache policy package
01:03<topcyde>oh perfect, thanks
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04:33<m4mbr3>SERVER isis.poly.edu 6607
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04:36<neon>"hdparm -y /dev/sdc" work but "hdparm -S 0 /dev/sdc" don't work, and the setting on hdparm.conf of "/dev/sdc {spindown_time = 1}" doesn't work. Can anyone help me put my HDs to sleep automatically?
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04:46<utkarsh>i want some help in debian
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04:52<melmothX>!ask
04:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:53<test112>hi guys and good morning. anybody here that can help me some with configuring my sources for having a "rolling release" system with testing - but secure?
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07:08<EderJordan>quit i love this game! Bulls in Brazil!
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08:38<wcarneiro>Hello !! Software as a Service in http://quintaparte.com
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09:46<kozmo>I just installed apache2 and php5. I put a little test php script in /var/www and it seem apache fails to execute the php script. Any ideas how I can get apache to execute php scripts?
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09:49<mshuler>kozmo: is the php module loaded and did you reload/restart apache after that?
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09:50<mshuler>a2enmod <modulename>
09:50<mshuler>whatever the name is under /etc/apache2/mods-available/
09:50<mshuler>(I don't use apache)
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09:51<themill>kozmo: how did you install php?
09:51<kozmo>mshuler: I also installed phpbb3 and that works fine.
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09:52<kozmo>themill: With apt.
09:52<themill>that doesn't exactly narrow it down...
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09:52<kozmo>phpbb3 with apt as well.
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09:54<kozmo>The test script I am trying to run is php embedded in html example from: http://www.w3schools.com/php/
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09:54<kozmo>The result is just a blank page.
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09:56<kozmo>themill: What do you mean it donsn't narrow it down? apt-get install phpbb3, and it was done.
09:57<themill>which php package did you install?
09:57<kozmo>Err, I mean apt-get instll php.
09:57<kozmo>php5
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09:59<mshuler>a quick test shows me that installing php5 pulls in libapache2-mod-php5 (the actual apache module)
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10:00<mshuler>I'm running nginx and no php everywhere, so I'm not installing.. but that looks reasonable
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10:01<mshuler>kozmo: anything interesting in the access/error logs for your little test script?
10:02<themill>mshuler: usually. unless you already had one of the other php5 packages installed
10:03<mshuler>oh, like phpbb might run via php..cgi?
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10:04<themill>If it's a fresh install then, yes, just installing the php5 package should be enough to get everything working. That some php is working and some not makes it look like a local configuration issue though
10:04*themill wonders why phpbb3 depends on php5-cli as well
10:04<kozmo>It looks like I only installed apache and phpbb without installing php. I just installed php5 and restarted apache, and still I get ablank page. Where would the access logs be?
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10:06<kozmo>found it.
10:06<christophe>where
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10:08<kozmo>Seems like nothing interesting in the log: [22/Sep/2013:10:01:06 -0400] "GET /tmp.html HTTP/1.1" 304 209 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.12) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.12 Iceweasel/10.0.12"
10:08<mshuler>there's your problem
10:09<mshuler>.html will not be parsed as php
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10:09<mshuler>rename that .php
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10:09<kozmo>So, rename the html file with the embedded php script to a .php file?
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10:11<mshuler>yes - you currently have a static .html file - it will not be passed as php - it displays blank because there is no html content to be displayed
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10:11<kozmo>Ha, it works. I guess that's why they call php a http preprocessor. Ty.
10:12<mshuler>:)
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10:21<Blacker47>hello. i try to find some explaining ressources for differences between wheezy/updates and wheezy-updates (and wheezy-proposed-updates). have somebody some hints for me?
10:22<themill>you can ask dpkg about each of them; /msg dpkg wheezy/updates
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10:24<Blacker47>ok, i think it helps. thx themill
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10:25<redcap>hi
10:25<themill>Blacker47: np
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10:26<redcap>can any one help me with the firsts steps in the debian?
10:27<supaman>redcap: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/
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10:27<supaman>redcap: or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
10:28<redcap>i cant see nothing about drivers in the boths links
10:29<supaman>redcap: ahh, so you have a specific question, the first one was fairly general :-)
10:29<themill>redcap: the more specific the question you ask, then better answers you'll get
10:30<redcap>my english is bad, will go try
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10:30<redcap>how to to see my devices?
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10:30<supaman>Blacker47: you might also want to look at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives.en.html
10:31<redcap>how i can management de drivers?
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10:31<supaman>redcap: what is your native language, there might be a support channel in your language if your uncomfortable with english
10:32<redcap>portuguese- br
10:32<supaman>!br
10:32<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:32<redcap>but in 3 days
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10:32<redcap>any one response
10:32<supaman>ah, ok
10:33<supaman>so to see what hardware you have on your system you can use the lspci (this lists your pci hardware) command
10:33<themill>or dmidecode
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10:36<supaman>redcap: there is also a bz translation of debian-reference manual: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.pt-br.html
10:36<supaman>s/bz/br
10:37<supaman>this manual has most info that you need about system maintanance
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10:39<redcap>wow, nice link
10:39<redcap>tks supaman
10:39<supaman>your very welcome
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10:52<johndoe>do i need to be careful when upgrading my libc6 via apt ?
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11:02<dancus>list #wesno*
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11:29<felquiz>register felix123321 diegosarzi@estudiorodapiao.com.br
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11:30<SynrG>felquiz: try again
11:30<SynrG>and not with that password ;)
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11:30<lamb>adding mail to spamming database, thanks! :p
11:30<felquiz>ok
11:30<SynrG>you need a slash
11:30<felquiz>sorry and thx
11:30<felquiz>slash?
11:30<SynrG>/msg nickserv
11:31<SynrG>missing more than *just* a slash, i just realized
11:31<supaman>does oftc have a nickserv?
11:31<daemonkeeper>Yes
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11:33<supaman>I just get "nickserv: no such nick/channel"
11:33<supaman>anyways, offtopic
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11:33<daemonkeeper>Services might be offline. Ask in #oftc
11:34<gnugr>oftc services are down, will be back asap
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11:34<supaman>ah, ok
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11:37<lamb>Question... I am using Debian Wheezy, and trying to compile the sources for slingscold (Mac-esque app launcher). It requires a specific source whose -dev package is not in Debian repo, but is in Ubuntu Precise's one. How unsafe would installing that package be vs downloading the sources and compiling the dependency as well?
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11:42<sney>lamb: split the difference and go after the .dsc from ubuntu
11:42<sney>build both the binary and the -dev for debian
11:43<lamb>sney: oh? That's news for me. Give me a moment to FAQ around...
11:44<sney>lamb: a rough overview of the process: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation there's more info in the new maintainer's guide as well
11:44<sney>(don't click the PPA link but rather read this actual page)
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11:45<lamb>(of course)
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12:12<lamb>sney: Thanks for help. Program compiles but segfaults, so I'm checking if I missed something in the source code
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12:24<mrc>Hello, can I run dpkg-buildpackage skipping the building phase? I forgot to import the gpg key and the sign phase failed
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12:25<lamb>Hmmm... the source compiles with warnings when using icon_theme.lookup_icon, but I wouldn't know what to do with it. No matter how it builds, the resulting binary segfaults.
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12:46<etherock_>Hi, I'm trying to run XAMPP, but I can't manage to run the file, which ends in .run, no matter what I do.
12:47<SynrG>on debian? why?
12:47<etherock_>?
12:48<etherock_>People recomended to run my website and my proxy on Debian
12:48<etherock_>Should I have stuck with Windows? :?
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12:48<daemonkeeper>apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server was too easy?
12:48<etherock_>...
12:48<daemonkeeper>Better run random third party cruft?
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12:49<etherock_>......
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12:49<etherock_>Sorry, XAMPP was just all I knew. I'll do that.
12:49<SynrG>yeah. that was my point :)
12:49<SynrG>etherock_: the way daemonkeeper says is actually *supported by* debian
12:49<SynrG>the other way is not
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12:49<etherock_>Alright
12:49<etherock_>Thanks
12:50<SynrG>also you don't really need or want phpmyadmin
12:50<SynrG>which xampp bundles
12:50<etherock_>Wish me luck! :3 Oh, also, is .htaccess htaccess.txt in debian?
12:51<etherock_>Cause I backed up my XAMPP from windows
12:51<daemonkeeper>It's .htaccess, as is Apache's default.
12:51<etherock_>And I peeked into the ZIP archive I backed up on Debian and it was htaccess.txt
12:51<etherock_>:?
12:51<SynrG>a windows thing then? dunno
12:51<SynrG>or an xampp thing
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12:52<SynrG>i *assume* htaccess.txt is just .htaccess
12:52<SynrG>but you would need to read some doc to check my assumption
12:53<etherock_>Alright
12:53<daemonkeeper>I very much suppose so. Prolly they renamed the htaccess file in apache2.conf because .htaccess as a filename is not liked by Windows Explorer fans.
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12:54<SynrG>mhm
12:54<etherock_>Also, while I'm here, when installing Debian it told me I was missing two firmware files, rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin and rtl_nic/8105e-1.fw, I installed them afterwards, but my wireless adapter still does not work...
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12:54<SynrG>etherock_: you might want to review and configure debian item by item instead of try to import the xampp config
12:54<SynrG>as it probably does "strange" things that are not the "debian way"
12:54<SynrG>htaccess.txt being only one of them
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12:55<SynrG>we can help with wireless but someone else will tell you what to do. my ferry just arrived
12:55<SynrG>bye
12:55<etherock_>bye
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12:56<etherock_>where did it put my htdocs and things?
12:56<etherock_>im so new to linux-style
12:56<daemonkeeper>/var/www
12:56<etherock_>alright, and mysql?
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12:56<daemonkeeper>/var/lib/mysql
12:57<etherock_>great, great. and how do i install java? cause i run a proxy thats java based and its run here
12:57<etherock_>on this pc
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12:58<daemonkeeper>You may rather use a sane(tm) HTTP proxy software. That being said, there are several JREs in Debian. "apt-cache search jre"
12:58<etherock_>Okay, great. Is there any way to make the computer NOT shut down whenever I close the lid?
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12:59<SynrG>hi from the ferry. tethered to my wife's android phone :)
12:59<etherock_>:P
12:59<etherock_>hi from my desk chair.
12:59<etherock_>tethered to my desktop.
12:59<etherock_>:)
12:59<SynrG>etherock_: lspci -nn |grep -i network
12:59<etherock_>is that what i need for internet?
12:59<SynrG>to find out what you have, yes
13:00<etherock_>alright
13:00<etherock_>i'll go get that
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13:00<etherock_>so, are all of you debian people?
13:00<etherock_>:3
13:01<SynrG>we are the debian support community on irc, yes. hence the channel name, #debian, hm?
13:01<SynrG>what else would you expect? :)
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13:02<etherock_>okay i ran the lspci thing, i see this... Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter [10ec:8176] (rev 01)
13:02<etherock_>Network controller [0280]
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13:03<SynrG>,pciid [10ec:8176]
13:03<judd>[10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8176 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
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13:04<etherock_>wait, so do I go to that link? what?
13:04<SynrG>etherock_: in particular this part: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Debian_7.0_.22Wheezy.22
13:04<SynrG>do that
13:05<etherock_>will that get me the driver? :)
13:05<SynrG>firmware, not driver
13:05<SynrG>the driver is already there. it's a part of the kernel
13:05<etherock_>ah, yes
13:05<SynrG>the firmware is loaded onto the card when the card is initialized by the driver
13:06<etherock_>alright
13:06<SynrG>getting off the ferry in a min and walking. not easy to irc while walking ;)
13:06<SynrG>as before, others here know as well as i do how to help if you're stuck
13:06<SynrG>later
13:06<etherock_>great
13:07<etherock_>honestly, i KNOW i'll be back... xD
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13:11<etherock_>how do i add stuff to sources.list if it doesent let me make changes, even in the superuser terminal?
13:12<etherock_>am i alone in this one?
13:12<mtn>etherock_: no, you should be able to edit and save as root
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13:13<etherock_>how do i log in as root, then? i tried doing it via su in the terminal, it said permission denied when i tried to open sources.list
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13:13<mtn>etherock_: you can also edit your sources by using synaptic, which is a package manager. I would recommend you use it.
13:14<mtn>etherock_: when you use su, you need to give it your root password.
13:14<etherock_>i did
13:14<etherock_>and it let me in
13:14<etherock_>but when i dragged sources.list in
13:14<etherock_>it said permission denied
13:14<SynrG>ugh
13:14<etherock_>even as root
13:14<SynrG>synaptic, ick, blech
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13:15<mtn>etherock_: don't know. use synaptic. hush SynrG.
13:15<SynrG>it's awful
13:15<etherock_>well, i... umm...... ugh....
13:15<mtn>SynrG: only for you. fine for us mere mortals :P
13:15<etherock_>im getting synaptic. is there an apt-get thingy? (sorry synrg)
13:16<mtn>SynrG: go for it!
13:16<SynrG>don't apologize to me. synaptic is its own reward (both positive and negative)
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13:16<SynrG>also, if you have problems editing as root, that's a serious issue that synaptic won't solve
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13:16<SynrG>sounds like a pebkac to me ...
13:17<SynrG>when you "dragged sources.list in" to what?
13:17<etherock_>to terminal
13:17<etherock_>i did it with ubuntu a few years back
13:17<SynrG>as in click-and-drag?
13:18<SynrG>try: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:18<SynrG>you need to be able to do things as root, edit conf files, etc. even *if* you use fancy-shmancy gui frontends for other things.
13:19<SynrG>bbiaf. gotta have a snack. they don't like you to eat on the bus :)
13:19<SynrG>(waiting between ferry and boarding my bus at the terminal)
13:21<mtn>etherock_: by the way, why do you want to edit your sources.list?
13:22<SynrG>mtn: adding non-free
13:22<SynrG>to install firmware for his wireless. see above
13:22<mtn>SynrG: ok, right. either synaptic or using nano should make it easy.
13:22<mtn>SynrG: might as well put contrib in there, too.
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13:26<SynrG>sure, if you want. there's a space-delimited list of archive areas there. you can include contrib too if you like, etherock_
13:26<SynrG>i think the wiki page says to do that anyway
13:27<SynrG>etherock_: you just find the existing line for 'main' that points at your mirror and edit it to append 'contrib' and 'non-free'
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13:40<ilovecoffee1625>hi! i'm having some trouble with apt-get. it sometimes gets stuck for a couple of minutes on either "[connecting to .... ]" or "[Waiting for headers]" whenever trying to update or get a package.
13:41<ilovecoffee1625>connection to the internet is fine.
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13:44<tiranosaurio>I am using Debian Wheezy and I can not see videos with flash player. Gnash is very good, but i need flash player. I did install flashplugin-nonfree, but i can not see videos. Can you help me? Thank you very much
13:45<lamb>tiranosaurio: If you just want to see eg.: youtube videos, you do not need Flash(TM,(C),(R),etc).
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13:47<tiranosaurio>I want to see all videos, not only youtube...
13:48<tiranosaurio>With gnash i can see youtube videos, but no others, with flash player i can not see any video
13:50<SynrG>ilovecoffee1625: wireless?
13:50<SynrG>ilovecoffee1625: problems with any other sites or just apt?
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13:51<SynrG>ilovecoffee1625: you could try a different mirror in your /etc/apt/sources.list
13:51<SynrG>ilovecoffee1625: provide us with a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list at paste.debian.net
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13:52<SynrG>tiranosaurio: did you remove gnash?
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13:52<SynrG>if not, then maybe there is some conflict.
13:53<tiranosaurio>ok , I will remove gnash in a moment
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13:57<ilovecoffee1625>SynrG: no, hardwired through router.
13:58<SynrG>ethernet. ok
13:58<SynrG>so it sounds like a problem with your mirror.
13:58<tiranosaurio>i am installing flash player now...
13:58<ilovecoffee1625>it might be
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14:01<ilovecoffee1625>SynrG, http://paste.debian.net/44849/
14:01<Celelibi>I guess I shouldn't report a bug for a package I got from the experimental branch. Right? :)
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14:06<tiranosaurio>flash player don't play videos, any videos
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14:06<tiranosaurio>I will install gnash again
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14:15<Lever>hi all
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14:15<Lever>is there web based file mananger can run php files from my server ?
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14:19<tiranosaurio>i am playing videos in youtube, bun not others, again
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14:23<lamb>Depending on your browser('s support for HTML5), gecko-mediaplayer and the adequate codec packages should suffice.
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14:33<SynrG>ilovecoffee1625: so yeah, you might try another mirror at lines 7 and 8 (unless it's hanging on the security line ...)
14:33<Lever>how i install this files on my server https://github.com/mojeda/ServerStatus
14:33<SynrG>tiranosaurio: which others?
14:34<SynrG>URL(s)
14:34<tiranosaurio>yes, others urls
14:34<SynrG>tiranosaurio: provide them
14:34<SynrG>otherwise we don't know what kind of video they serve and what you might be missing
14:35<tiranosaurio>dailymotion, for example
14:36<SynrG>Lever: isn't the "Installation" section on that site clear enough?
14:36<lamb>tiranosaurio: example video, please?
14:36<etherock_>does anyone know how to format the hard drive to nfts running linux debian?
14:36<tiranosaurio>http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10ks4g_el-hombre-de-acero-man-of-steel-tv-spot-7-subtitulado-espanol-latino_fun
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14:37<SynrG>Lever: if you can't follow upstream's instructions to install, you should ask them to clarify.
14:37<etherock_>Hello/
14:37<etherock_>Hello?
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14:38<SynrG>!ntfs3g
14:38<dpkg>NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
14:38<SynrG>!user accessible ntfs
14:38<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
14:38<etherock_>Look, dude, I just want to install Windows 7
14:38<etherock_>Is the process that extensive?
14:39<SynrG>as installing debian and configuring each piece of software to do what you want? in some ways it is simpler. in other ways not.
14:40<etherock_>I want to format the hard drive to NFTS so I can install the Windows 7 operating system.
14:40<SynrG>but we give high quality help. so in the end i think you get more value
14:40<SynrG>why wouldn't you use the win7 installer to do that?
14:40<lamb>If you just want to *format* a partition, you don't need to actually mount it - n the contrary, you want it unmounted. But also what SynrG asks.
14:40<SynrG>just look at the first factoid above re ntfs-3g and ignore the 2nd one then
14:40<Lever>SynrG : i do all steps
14:41<etherock_>??
14:41<Lever>SynrG : i need php file manager web-based
14:41<etherock_>I'm confused
14:41<etherock_>is there a command in the terminal to format the hard drive
14:41<etherock_>to nfts
14:41<etherock_>file format
14:41<SynrG>etherock_: first you need to install ntfs-3g as indicated above.
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14:41<SynrG>14:12 < etherock_> am i alone in this one?
14:41<SynrG>14:12 < etherock_> am i alone in this one?
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14:42<SynrG>then you would 'mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdx# 14:12 < etherock_> am i alone in this one?
14:42<SynrG>sorry ...
14:42<SynrG>jouncing bus
14:42<SynrG>14:12 < etherock_> am i alone in this one?
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14:42<SynrG>spurious pastes. sec. i think the mouse got turned on in my bag.
14:42<SynrG>i will make it stop :)
14:42<SynrG>14:12 < etherock_> am i alone in this one?
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14:43<SynrG>many apologies. every time it went over a bump it middle pasted.
14:43<SynrG>now turned off
14:45<SynrG>etherock_: identify your partition (e.g. not /dev/sdx# but something like /dev/sdc1 ... make sure you find the right one!)
14:45<tiranosaurio>with gnash and minitube i havent problems in youtube, but with others urls not play
14:45<SynrG>apt-get install ntfs-3g
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14:45<SynrG>and then: mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdx#
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14:45<SynrG>etherock_: got all that?
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14:46<SynrG>etherock_: this is assuming you *first* have partitioned your drive properly.
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14:46<SynrG>i.e. allocate one partition for the filesystem and mark it as NTFS type
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14:50<odsix>is the a difference between "qemu -enable-kvm" and the command "kvm" ?
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14:53<SynrG>odsix: i think they are the same. i think also the doc should say but have not found exactly where
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14:57<Lever>SynrG : can you help me
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15:05<odsix>SynrG: I have also checked the docs and web but found nothing mentioning the relation of those two cmds
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15:07<mshuler>Lever: there does not appear to be such a package in Debian, so it would be up to you to find some software on your own - I would caution you that a web-based file manager opens your system up to all sorts of security vulnerabilities (and this is likely why something like this does no exist in Debian)
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15:08<etherock_>i did it, this is the command i did to format it to ntfs without anything but one command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
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15:09<SynrG>odsix: have you observed any differences, then? if not, then i think they are the same.
15:10<SynrG>Lever: with upstream's instructions? no. as i said, if you want to use software in debian that posts its own instructions for installation, and you have problems with those instructions, you need to ask them for help.
15:10<mshuler>etherock_: that was not formatting a partition - that command zeroed out an entire drive :/
15:11<mshuler>oh, not the whole drive, but the first 512 bytes - sorry
15:11<SynrG>Lever: or if you are failing at understanding some single step of those instructions as it relates to debian, you can ask here and we can *try* to help, but no guarantees
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15:12<Lever>SynrG : can you recommend me file manager have good security and best interface and options ?
15:12<SynrG>etherock_, mshuler: the end result of that drive would be, when you run the win7 installer, it sees an uninitialized drive. it then will probably offer to put ntfs on it.
15:13<SynrG>of that *command*, not "drive", sorry
15:13<SynrG>Lever: i would not use a web-based file manager for the reasons already mentioned
15:13<SynrG>instead i would allow secure desktop access to the system, maybe tunnelling vnc over ssh or so.
15:14<SynrG>or if you're happy to do file ops from the commandline, then just ssh
15:14<Lever>but i really would like to use VNC but it slowm all my connections
15:14<SynrG>then just use ssh and use the commandline to manipulate files
15:14<mshuler>yep - that's why ssh would be best
15:15<Lever>there some files like php files need to be run in GUI and edit some of them
15:15<SynrG>then you can use sshfs
15:15<SynrG>then you can use the gui of your local system to edit
15:15<Lever>SynrG : i can uplaod files via sftp
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15:15<SynrG>there's no reason you need to use a gui to edit the php files though
15:15<Lever>and i can edit them via CLI
15:15<SynrG>yes. you could do it that way too.
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15:16<Lever>there is many reasons
15:16<Lever>SynrG : i agree with you that can cause security security vulnerabilities
15:17<Lever>what if there file show you result in GUI face
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15:18<mshuler>like most web developers, my suggestion would be to set up a web server locally, edit code as needed, then rsync code to the remote server - this also gives the advantage of having two copies of code - add local a local revision control system and you are starting to work like a developer ;)
15:19<SynrG>Lever: i would keep the web site in git and check it out locally on your remote machine
15:19<SynrG>Lever: i would use the remote machine to proof the pages, using whichever gui editor you like to see how it looks
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15:19<SynrG>Lever: i would then commit and push my changes to the server when i'm happy with them
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15:20<SynrG>Lever: the rsync approach mshuler suggests would work just as well, and eliminate the complexity of using git ...
15:20<SynrG>Lever: but lose the revision tracking which is git's strong point.
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15:21<SynrG>you might try it with rsync at first just to see how it works for you, then learn to add git later, as i see mshuler also suggested.
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15:21<SynrG>(or if not git, some other revision control system -- whatever you prefer)
15:21<Lever>SynrG : good point
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15:22<mshuler>revision control also adds in the ability to colaborate on code with others
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15:24<SynrG>that too.
15:24<SynrG>and git is a nice choice because it's popular. so many people who might collaborate would already know it.
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15:30<mshuler>btw, bitbucket has private git repos on their free account - github free acct. is only public repos
15:31<shirish>how do I cat a file which has 500 lines and I want to just see the first 50 ?
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15:31<mshuler>head -50 filename.blah
15:31<shirish>mshuler: thanx.
15:32<shirish> is there a way to tell it to show content only between lines 20 and 50, is that possible ?
15:33<supaman>head -50 filename | tail -20? :-)
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15:33<shirish>supaman: the whole file is about 500 lines, I just need the content between lines 20 and 50 from the beginning.
15:35<supaman>shirish: yeh, that command should do the trick
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15:36<mshuler>that would be 'head -50 filename | tail -30' methinks ;)
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15:36<supaman>mshuler: righto, my bad
15:37<shirish>I always had this idea that tail meant just the end, didn't know it is relative and not absolute.
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15:38<mshuler>shirish: well, we're piping a 50 line standard out to tail, so it is to the end, in fact
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15:38<shirish>mshuler: you are right, guess was not thinking straight.
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15:53<dualbus>sed -n -e '20,50p' -e '51q'
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15:54<dualbus>That's inclusive. It's easy to verificate with: printf '%s\n' {1..100} | sed -n -e '20,50p' -e '51q'
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15:55<mshuler>nice - knew there would be a nice sed line to do the same, but me and sed sometimes struggle to get along..
15:56<mshuler>I'm sure there's an awk equivalent
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16:30<benjamin2>Hi anyone here?
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16:35<benjamin_3>hello everyone?
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17:38<randall_>hi
17:38<randall_>I am wondering how to format the disk
17:38<randall_>I am currently using debian 7
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17:39<mtn>randall_: what disk are you referring to?
17:40<randall_>hard drive
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17:40<randall_>look, it is because I trying ton install windows but I ca not cuz debian is taking all the space available
17:40<mtn>randall_: the same hard drive you are using?
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17:41<mtn>randall_: won't windows format it? it always did long ago when I used it.
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17:41<randall_>I would like to either format it to install windows or partition the disk to install windows
17:42<mtn>randall_: use a live disk and gparted, which is on most live disks
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17:42<randall_>no it is not doing
17:42<randall_>because there is not space and I can not proceed with the installation
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17:43<randall_>>>
17:43<randall_>??
17:44<randall_>I do not know how to do that
17:44<mtn>randall_: get a live disk, boot up, start the program called gparted. if you don't know how to do that, google can help.
17:44<randall_>what you mean by "live disk and gparted"
17:44<randall_>ok
17:44<randall_>got it
17:45<mtn>randall_: :)
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19:24<Celelibi>Hum...
19:24<Celelibi>If I installed grub version 2.00-19.
19:24<Celelibi>That "19" is only local to debian, right?
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19:26<kozmo>I just set up a new debian install from netinst cd without a network connect. Now I have a base install without networking. When I move the machine to a network, how can I go back and setup networking then?
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19:36<mshuler>kozmo: here is the contents of /etc/network/interfaces for a DHCP wired ethernet connection - the interface would come up automatically at boot, or you could 'ifup eth0' - http://paste.debian.net/44953/
19:37<kozmo>mshuler: Would just running base-config and then setup the net work too?
19:38<mshuler>I don't have base-config on my netinst installed machine - not really sure about that
19:39<mshuler>nothing apropos or package - what is that, kozmo?
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19:40<supaman>base-config is obsolete
19:40<supaman>!base-config
19:40<dpkg>base-config (obsolete since Debian 4.0 "Etch") was a package to configure a Debian base install. Replaced by a single-stage installer, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RemoveBaseConfig for historical information. To install Debian from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <debootstrap>. To reconfigure an established Debian system, ask me about <timezone>, <apt-setup>, <tasksel>. See also <reference>.
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19:43<mshuler>ah, thanks - that was back when I was using FAI with sarge, then d-i preseeding took over in etch :)
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19:43<pipeep>So I'm trying to package something using debhelper. It uses texinfo, and there's a source *.texi file, but the developer also included a compile *.info file. When the compilation happens, the *.info file gets rebuilt, but slightly differently, as some of makeinfo's behavior has changed slightly. This of course causes dpkg-buildpackage to freak out on subsequent builds because the file has changed. I can run it with the `-b` argument
19:43<pipeep>to bypass those checks, but that's not really a solution. What should I do here?
19:43<pipeep>I'd patch it so that automake doesn't rebuild that file, but I also have to patch the source *.texi to make it compliant, so I do need it to be rebuilt.
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19:44<pipeep>Should I directly patch the built *.info, and disable recompilation of the *.texi in automake? That feels kinda hackish to me.
19:44<mshuler>pipeep: you might get better help on #debian-mentors for packaging
19:44<pipeep>mshuler, okay, thanks.
19:44*SamB was just about to suggest #debian-mentors as well
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19:45<Celelibi>How do I know on which upstream version a debian package is based on?
19:45<Celelibi>Like grub 2.00-19
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19:45<Celelibi>What does that -19 refers to?
19:46<supaman>Celelibi: its just like you think, its debian specific
19:46<Celelibi>That's why I'm asking. :)
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19:46<SamB>that's supposed to be based on 2.00
19:46<supaman>Celelibi: checking out changelogs of debian packages can help when trying to figure stuff like this out
19:47<Celelibi>Ok, let's see.
19:47<SamB>the dash divides the version number into upstream and Debian-specific parts
19:48<Celelibi>Actually, I'm facing a bug. I've been told it have been resolved in trunk.
19:48<mshuler>http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
19:50<mshuler>oh, when someone says it's in trunk, that (usually) means it has not been released, yet - very little goes into Debian that is not a release (some things do, but they will have 1.0-1~svn12345 kinds of version numbers)
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19:50<Celelibi>ok
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19:52<xattr>hello. could it be that carddav protocol doesnt support contact-groups?
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19:53<willian>OI
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19:54<willian>EI
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20:04<Celelibi>If changelog.gz say that nothing have changed since 2012-06-27 I guess there is no more code from upstream in the package.
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20:06<Celelibi>Hum... no.
20:06<Celelibi>I see a few backports from upstream in changelog.Debian.gz
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20:15<Celelibi>So I may report a bug, and maybe a backport will be made. :)
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21:02<antony>hello
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21:17<Celelibi>f*ck
21:18<Celelibi>I think I reported a bug with a source mail root@debian
21:18<Celelibi>Can I correct that?
21:19<themill>Celelibi: you can change the owner of the bug, yes. http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#owner
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21:23<Celelibi>Well, I don't have a bug number since I've just sent it.
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21:27<abrotman>Celelibi: so wait for it to show up, then correct it
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21:27<themill>There's always a chance that a spam scanner somewhere will eat it with that From address
21:28<Celelibi>But... Anyone can do that?
21:28<themill>sure
21:28<Celelibi>Isn't that... unsecure?
21:28<themill>it's not like it's really important data anyway
21:28<themill>the old addresses are still available and it can be reverted if it needs to be, but I don't think we've ever had to do so
21:29<Celelibi>ok
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21:30<Celelibi>I was more thinking about anyone can mess up everything.
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