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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-23

---Logopened Mon Sep 23 00:00:32 2013
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01:09<vortek>hello, is there a network monitor for debian like the winxp one that has two monitors one for rx one for tx?
01:14<nadir>no clue bout the windows monitor or about rx tx. There are many network monitors. ntop seems good. Let me quickly search for a list of apps for that
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01:16<nadir>vortek: It's German, but the apps names are the same
01:17<nadir>ah, rx and tx are in and out. Many of the listed apps there do it. iptraf for sure, as the screenshot there shows it.
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01:26<nadir>no problem. good luck
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02:17<gurjieff>I was banned from debian-next for unknown reasons
02:17<gurjieff>I think it was a mistake
02:17<gurjieff>Could any op take a look at this?
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02:22<themill>gurjieff: that's not true. You know perfectly well why you were banned from that channel.
02:23<gurjieff>Why is that?
02:23<gurjieff>I haven't even said anything in there. You can look up the chat logs.
02:23<themill>inappropriate comments about women followed by attempts at ban evasion? Are you really trying to tell me you don't remember it?
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02:26<gurjieff>oman, that was in that channel? I thought I had said that in some other channel
02:26<gurjieff>I wouldn't have said that if I knew I was in the official channel
02:26<themill>that you think it's inappropriate in any channel worries me
02:26<gurjieff>ok I regret it can I get unbanned please?
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02:26<gurjieff>I think it's appropriate on Rizon
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02:27<themill>I don't think moral standards are location dependent.
02:27<gurjieff>Really? They eat dogs in China
02:27<gurjieff>And it's perfectly fine
02:27<themill>poor comparison
02:30<gurjieff>Anyway, given the fact that I said it there by mistake, I think it's fair if I get unbanned. What I tend to say in other channels, or the fact that you're worried about me, isn't really relevant
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02:41<gurjieff>themill I have a serious question to ask there
02:41<themill>actually, it's not ok really, but, against my better judgement, I have lifted that ban
02:42<gurjieff>Thank you
02:42<gurjieff>I won't do it again
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03:06<esseks>hi! Are there any plans or interest in integrating ZFSonLinux in Debian repos?
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03:27<neo1691>Whenever I insert my headphones, or play with volume in vlc, the sound stops, and I have to restart my laptop to fix it. It's stopped now, anyway I can fix it? I am running debian wheezy stable 64bit
03:27<neo1691>I also tried restarting alsa but didn't helped
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03:32<fr33domlover>is it VLC specific? tried another player / sound source?
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03:32<fr33domlover>(anyway you should probably file a bug report)
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03:37<fr33domlover>hmmm... looks like I was too late
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04:09<Depa>Hi :)
04:10<Depa>A simply way to edit firewall options??
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04:11<Depa>yes, but there is a more simply way?
04:12<Depa>a tool for simplify firewall administration
04:13<Stummi>some distributions have something called "uncomplicated firewall". Not sure if there is an debian port anywhere
04:13<Stummi>never used this myself, so I don't know if this is good
04:15<Stummi>what exactly is your problem with iptables?
04:16<Depa>I need a less complicated tool :(
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04:16<Depa>I would like to backup easly the configuration
04:16<Depa>and manage simply rules
04:17<fr33domlover>What about the GUI? system-config-firewall exists in other distros
04:17<fr33domlover>Does Debian have a similar tool?
04:17<Depa>I can't use X
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04:19<nfisher>Hi all! i just plugged in a SATA HDD on my running wheezy machine. How can i now mount it without rebooting? It is not visible in Nautilus yet.
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04:21<Stummi>Depa, iptables isn't this complicated if you understand it once. Just read the manpage
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04:27<Depa>Stummi: Yes :) I'm doing now....
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04:47<esseks>Depa, try ufw.
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04:57<faew>Depa: the package 'iptables-persistent' is also very convenient (along with iptables-save / iptables-restore)
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05:13<lp>are the iceweasel-release packages at still updated? there's been no 23.0.1 matching firefox, and no 24.0, almost a week after mozilla's official firefox release
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05:45<devil_>pol iceweasel
05:45<devil_> Installiert: 25.0~a2+20130830004004-1
05:45<devil_> Installationskandidat: 25.0~a2+20130906004001-1
05:45<devil_> Versionstabelle:
05:45<devil_> 25.0~a2+20130906004001-1 0
05:45<devil_> 500 experimental/iceweasel-aurora amd64 Packages
05:46<esc>devil_: what is pol?
05:47<devil_>esc: apt-cache policy
05:48<devil_>it's my alias for that
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07:31<ocamagica>away on
07:32<ocamagica>dont talk in this moment, why eat food, i am catalonian man of 37 years, in Barcelona the hour are 2:30
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07:56<devil_>ocamagica: please deactivate your away message. thank you.
07:57<devil_>besides that your above statement hints that you might be in the wrong channel
07:57*ocamagica is away: off
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07:57<devil_>ocamagica: do you have a debian question?
07:57<ocamagica>i have my dictionary in my hand, to traslate your words
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07:57<devil_>and that is?
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07:58<ocamagica>how close ports
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07:59<ocamagica>i have firewall
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07:59<ocamagica>bat have open ports
07:59<ocamagica>i am beginer, use wheezy
08:00<devil_>having open ports is not a bad thing per se
08:00<devil_>what firewall-gui did you install?
08:02<devil_>I never used a firewall, so no idea
08:02<ocamagica>i understand
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08:03<niko_20010>iptables is a really complex thing
08:03<ocamagica>i send my firewall to you
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08:03<niko_20010>and CLI-only
08:03<txt-file>I did set up a exim4 server today and am disappointed. The server does starttls on port 25. Is there a way to do real ssl or tls with exim?
08:03<daemonkeeper>TLS is STARTTLS and the way how SMTP uses SSL.
08:04<devil_>ocamagica: could you stop trying to send me struff through DCC, that is considered VERY INPOLITE. at least bay me.
08:04<ocamagica>port 25
08:04<ocamagica>what is
08:04<txt-file>daemonkeeper: so there is no way to use a encrypted connection from the beginning?
08:04<devil_>ocamagica: read my link
08:05<ocamagica>i go other network
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08:05<daemonkeeper>txt-file: SSL on a dedicated port is deprecated in SMTP. What are you concerns? Your session is no less secure.
08:05<ocamagica>my english is medium high
08:05<daemonkeeper>(START)TLS _is_ SSL.
08:05<ocamagica>freeBSD are very good
08:05<ocamagica>freeBSD in macintosh
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08:06<ocamagica>good bye
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08:07<txt-file>daemonkeeper: I am used to the dedicated port thing. So I just wondered but if starttls is current state of the art then I will also do this
08:08<daemonkeeper>It is. STARTTLS upgrades a plain text connection to SSL. It's exactly the same thing, only differing that the client side must tell about its SSL capabilities by upgrading the connection.
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08:10<txt-file>I thought the client is also sending its capabilities when requesting a encrypted session on a dedicated port.
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08:16<daemonkeeper>txt-file: It does implied by connecting to that port.
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09:05<neon>"hdparm -y /dev/sdc" work but "hdparm -S 0 /dev/sdc" don't work, and the setting on hdparm.conf of "/dev/sdc {spindown_time = 1}" doesn't work. Can anyone help me put my HDs to sleep automatically?
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09:09<elguanche>hello, anybody knows how can i do for install flash player in debian wheezy?
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09:11<txt-file>elguanche: the propritary with "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" but make shure that you have non-free enabled in your sources.list
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09:11<txt-file>otherwise you could try gnash and lightspark
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09:13<elguanche>i did install flashplugin-non free, but don' play any video
09:13<elguanche>i am using now gnash, but it don't play some videos
09:14<elguanche>what is better, gnash or lightspark
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09:22<OdyX>elguanche: lightspark uses gnash when needed. So using lightspark will give you wider coverage.
09:22<elguanche>ok, thank you
09:23<petn-randall>neon: What's the output of "hdparm -S 0 /dev/sdc"?
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09:29<neon>petn-randall, /dev/sdc: setting standby to 0 (off)
09:31<petn-randall>neon: Then how do you come to the conclusion that it doesn't work?
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09:32<neon>I hear it spin, feel it vibrate, and when I do -y I don't hear/feel it anymore.
09:33<neon>petn-randall, ^
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09:33<petn-randall>neon: -S 0 turns the idle standby _OFF_. That's exactly what you're observing.
09:35<neon>petn-randall, I am not sure what you mean. What I observe, is that -y turn it off, '-S 0' doesn't
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09:35<petn-randall>neon: I'm guessing English isn't your first language and you misread the man page. Setting -S to zero means: Deactivate the timer, never put the drive in standby.
09:35<petn-randall>neon: '-S 1' means: Set the timer to 5 seconds, after 5 seconds of being idle, turn off the motor.
09:36<petn-randall>neon: :)
09:36<neon>I tried '-S 1' too, it didn't work either, I can try again
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09:36<neon>... how to wake it up from -y?
09:36<neon>seems like nautilus have a cache
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09:38<neon>ok, copied a file to wake the disk up
09:38<neon>set -S 1
09:38<neon>waited 5 seconds
09:38<neon>and ... it still spin
09:39<neon>petn-randall, ^
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09:40<petn-randall>neon: hdparm -C /dev/sdc
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09:40<petn-randall>neon: If it doesn't turn off after 5 seconds, you've had I/O on the disk.
09:41<neon>petn-randall, /dev/sdc: drive state is: active/idle
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09:42<neon>petn-randall, it didn't turned it off, but I don't think I had an IO, all I have on that disk is a samba share, and when I use -y it doesn't wake up, unless I access it
09:42<neon>with nautilus
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09:44<petn-randall>neon: Install 'laptop-mode-tools', there's a tool called lm-profiler, you can monitor disk access with it.
09:45<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh ( 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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09:46<neon>petn-randall, I ran lm-profiler, it doesn't specify full path for accesses
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09:52<lord_rob>chinese characters are well rendered on a utf-8 irc client, very nice
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10:09<petn-randall>neon: No idea what you mean.
10:10<neon>petn-randall, I mean that the output of lm-profiler is something like this : "Write accesses at 43/600 in lm-profiler run: kworker/u8:93 "
10:11<neon>petn-randall, and the "kworker/u8:93" doesn't tell me much
10:11<petn-randall>neon: Well, it does tell you that you have regular I/O access to the disk, right?
10:11<neon>petn-randall, I have 3 disks
10:12<petn-randall>neon: Then umount sdc and it should spin down in 5 seconds.
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10:12<neon>petn-randall, if I umount it then it won't be usable when it is needed
10:13<neon>petn-randall, I can spin it down with -y
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10:13<neon>petn-randall, I just want that to happen automatically
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10:51<pmart>i get a strange error when trying install i386 cross-builddeps for fglrx-driver `apt-get -a i386 build-dep fglrx-driver': "E: Build-Depends dependency for fglrx-driver cannot be satisfied because the package docbook-xml cannot be found". it's strange since docbook-xml is arch All package and is already installed.
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10:52<sney>and it's probably trying to install docbook-xml:i386, right?
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10:54<scientes>pmart, arch: all are NOT cross satisfiable
10:54<scientes>this is a long-standing issue/bug
10:54<pmart>sney: there is no docbook-xml:i386, it's Architecture: All package
10:54<scientes>they are in ubuntu
10:55<sney>pmart: indeed, but multiarch doesn't know that. that is the problem.
10:55<scientes>the status quo is you still have to mark arch: all as multi-arch: foreign
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10:56<pmart>that's some bad news you bring me :/
10:56<scientes>pmart, you don't need the whole driver, just the opengl libs, its a diff package
10:57<pmart>scientes: yes, i only need libgl1-fglrx:i386
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10:58<pmart>and yes it's build from fglrx-driver source package
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10:59<themill>building in foreign arch chroot is still much easier than building using multiarch
10:59<rhiamom>I am having trouble installing Debian to dual-boot on my iMac. If I partition the disk using the Debian installer the resulting system will not boot, no matter where I install grub. If I partition the disk using gparted, then the Debian installer seems to work but not only does the Debian not boot, but nothing seems to be actually installed looking at it with a Mint LiveCD. I think my issues are with GPT and MBR. I am using Refind as m
10:59<rhiamom>y EFI bootloader, which should either recognize the Debian if grub-efi is being used (but it doesn't) or should then allow a legacy grub-pc bootloader to run - which it does for Mint but not Debian.
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11:01<pmart>so, what do i do now? should i try building it without deps? there's a chance that those pulled by build-dep fglrx-driver:amd64 are relevant...
11:01<scientes>themill, yeah but multi-arch cross build is super cool
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11:03<themill>scientes: s/is/will be/
11:03<scientes>it works now if you pull down an emdebian cross toolchain
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11:04<scientes>but yeah the toolschains need to be there
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11:07<zeus>Hi all, i need help with math operations in awk. I need to sum number of line 8 and 11 of this given text
11:07<zeus>with "awk -F'[^0-9]*' '/^Total transferred file size:/ || /^Number of files:/ {print $2}'" but i don't know how to sum extracted values
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11:16<rhiamom>I am having trouble installing Debian to dual-boot on my iMac. If I partition the disk using the Debian installer the resulting system will not boot, no matter where I install grub. If I partition the disk using gparted, then the Debian installer seems to work but not only does the Debian not boot, but nothing seems to be actually installed looking at it with a Mint LiveCD. I think my issues are with GPT and MBR. I am using Refind as m
11:16<rhiamom> <rhiamom> y EFI bootloader, which should either recognize the Debian if grub-efi is being used (but it doesn't) or should then allow a legacy grub-pc bootloader to run - which it does for Mint but not Debian.
11:16<rhiamom>I am having trouble installing Debian to dual-boot on my iMac. If I partition the disk using the Debian installer the resulting system will not boot, no matter where I install grub. If I partition the disk using gparted, then the Debian installer seems to work but not only does the Debian not boot, but nothing seems to be actually installed looking at it with a Mint LiveCD. I think my issues are with GPT and MBR. I am using Refind as m
11:16<rhiamom> <rhiamom> y EFI bootloader, which should either recognize the Debian if grub-efi is being used (but it doesn't) or should then allow a legacy grub-pc bootloader to run - which it does for Mint but not Debian.
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11:17<rhiamom>sorry for duplication
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11:19<babilen>rhiamom: Do you have a standard compliant EFI partition layout with EFI System partition and BIOS Boot partition? Are you using the guided partitioning during the Debian install or are you partitioning manually?
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11:21<rhiamom>I am partitioning a GPT disk, so it will necessarily be a hybrid. I have tried using both guided and manual partitioning
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11:22<rhiamom>also, I have a second drive installed, the SSD drive on which the Mac system resides, but I need about half the second drive for the Mac as well. Pesky music and book files.
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11:22<babilen>rhiamom: I am, unfortunately, not familiar with refind and don't think we support that. Why do you need that?
11:22<rhiamom>er, half of the first drive the normal HD, for the Mac to use
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11:23<rhiamom>without that I cannot boot to anything other than OS X or a cd
11:23<rhiamom>Mac is EFI only
11:24<rhiamom>you may be more familiar with refit? same app, really, but rEFIt is no longer maintained
11:26<rhiamom>things I really need to know: what utility does the Debian installer use to partition? The Debian Live cd had only fdisk, not gparted on it, and fdisk is not GPT aware
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11:28<rhiamom>at least according to the Debian wiki
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11:31<rhiamom>What should be happening is either the EFI bootloader recognizes the Linux and gives me the option to boot to it, or it does not but still gives me the option to boot to a legacy bootloader. Neither is working for Debian
11:31<rhiamom>and, yes, the Refind is working properly as it does allow me to boot to Mint.
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11:32<babilen>rhiamom: If you boot the installer in EFI mode *and* the disk has a GPT the installer will be started in EFI mode that is GPT aware. Why do you need refind (or refit) in the first place? Can't you just use grub-efi and be done with it?
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11:32*babilen is blatantly unfamiliar with (modern) Apple hardware
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11:34<rhiamom>well, the Debian wiki says to use refit.
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11:35<sney>many parts of the debian wiki are written for oldstable or previous
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11:37<rhiamom>Yes, it mentioned Lenny as the last version known to be compatible with Intel Macs
11:38<sney>right, so we're 2 major releases newer than that now
11:38<sney>since a lot of x86 pc hardware uses efi now, grub-efi is included, and extra tomfoolery is usually not required
11:40<rhiamom>right! and I need the legacy grub-pc to chainload and still get accelerated graphics
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11:42<sney>yeah, you're way out of my area of expertise now. sorry. :/ hopefully someone else will come by who knows
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11:43<babilen>I though that I can just use grub-efi directly and be done with it.
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11:43<babilen>But that might just be my assumption that Apple hardware resembles something sane ;)
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11:44<rhiamom>Apple hardware resembles something closed and proprietary
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11:47<sney>still, I thought the intel macs were /mostly/ intel reference stuff. maybe not.
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11:49<rhiamom>oh, they are definitely ordinary Intel chips
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11:51<babilen>rhiamom: So, what happens if you just use grub-efi directly? (no re{FIT,FIND} at all)
11:51<rhiamom>So I will head off to try to remove the Refind and try installing that way. Not that I know how to remove refind from the EFI partition on my HD?.
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11:52<rhiamom>I tried installing with it removed, but it was still there as it is in the EFI boot partition
11:58<babilen>And installing grub-efi to the *disk* (i.e. not a partition) doesn't "overwrite" that?
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13:24<michal>hi. i need to test if this little game works on different stations. anyone willing to help?
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13:30<gnugr>michal:is this a debian related issue?
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13:40<chalz>how can I move a bootable install from one media to a smaller media? I shrunk the partition down enough that it should fit.
13:41<chalz>but when I use clonezilla, even though almost all the space on the old disk was unpartitioned it still says the dest media is too small
13:41<chalz>and for dd to work I can't dd the entire disk (obviously) so I have to do just the partition
13:42<chalz>but after creating a new partition table manually and restoring from a dd'd partition image, it is not bootable
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13:42<sney>try with partimage, maybe
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13:43<chalz>will do
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13:52<chalz>where do disk UUIDs come from? If i dd a partition, then create a new partition table, and put the UUID back, could that break things?
13:53<chalz>ie if that partition has an fstab that refers to itself via UUID
13:53<chalz>er... not put the UUID back, but dd the image back onto the new partition table
13:55<SamB>well, it would be an issue if there were two filesystems with the same UUID
13:56<chalz>so the UUIDs shouldn't come from the partition table?
13:57<SamB>so if you copy a filesystem to a new partition and the old one is still around, you'd probably want to regenerate the UUID on one of them ...
13:57<SamB>the UUID seems to be stored in the partition
13:57<chalz>ah OK
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13:58<SamB>anyway, obviously it's a good idea to keep a live CD of some kind handy
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14:00<chalz>oh I haven't wrecked the machine or anything... I have a working 4gb dd image from a CF card that i've always used, except I ordered a new batch of 4GB cards to set up, except this batch is a few bytes smaller than the 4GB CF i mage the image from the dd'ing the image on them fails
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14:20<wazdra>hi! I just tried to install Debian for the first time. I had a dual-boot Windows Ubuntu, I removed my Ubuntu to put Debian instead. Installation went well, but when i tried to boot, i had a grub error : "Error : unknown filesystem grub rescue>". I searched it on internet. I found something about it, created a boot-repair live cd, and used it, but it didn't change anything (btw : ). I tried to change some
14:20<wazdra>things in my BIOS to boot on windows to restart from scratch, but it gives me other bugs. I don't have any data to save, I'd just like to be able to boot again :p Any idea ?
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14:56<op2702>anyone here use sec onion?
14:58<Maulkin>I think everyone here uses Debian
14:59<op2702>sec onion cool distro xubuntu. just poking around with live cd
14:59<Maulkin>op2702: This is off topic. Take it elsewhere please.
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15:00<op2702>sorry. will do. noob please be gentle. thanks
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15:11<wazdra>Are the partitions orders the same with sda1, sda2, sda3… and (hd0,gpt1), (hd0,gpt2)… ?
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15:25<Greenjim>Hi, I just updated one of my PC's and in the update, there were the kernel 3.10-3 and systemd and I cannot find back my LVM volumes.
15:26<Greenjim>My sstem is out;
15:26<Greenjim>"system", sorry.
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15:36<sney>!tell Greenjim about pieces
15:37<Greenjim>apparently, the last version of systemd does not start properly.
15:37<Greenjim>so, I amback with init
15:37<Greenjim>I just reconfigured grub.cfg
15:37<Greenjim>thank you Linux !
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15:44<musca>just another victim of #719738
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16:01<yJf8x9waUN>Hello, for some reason I can't type any passwords for ssh, gpg and crypsetup
16:01<yJf8x9waUN>I get the following messages:
16:01<yJf8x9waUN>ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory
16:02<yJf8x9waUN>gpg: cannot open tty `/dev/tty': Permission denied
16:02<yJf8x9waUN>And in the case of cryptsetup it doesn't display anything
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16:04<yJf8x9waUN>I recently upgraded several packages, including consolekit which I think is the problem
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16:09<yJf8x9waUN>I forgot to add that gpg and cryptsetup work fine if executed on a tty, but not ssh
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16:12<linuxnoob>hello, I'm new to debian, I just installed with xfce but the scroll of my mouse doesn't work
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16:13<linuxnoob>I google it a bit and everything point to /etc/X11/xorg.conf but I don't have that file
16:13<retrospectacus>linuxnoob: what kind of mouse?
16:13<linuxnoob>retrospectacus: generic optic mouse, nothing fancy
16:14<linuxnoob>retrospectacus: i tried with xev and when i scroll nothing happens, so i think it should be something with xorg, but i don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf so no idea where to configure it
16:15<retrospectacus>that's normal, you can create that file if you want to add configuration. You can also put config snippets in files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (which you also have to create)
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16:16<retrospectacus>that said, it should totally work. Does it work on another PC?
16:16<linuxnoob>retrospectacus: ok, now I'm lost... probably I just need Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" on mouse section (according to google) but how will that merge with whatever xorg is running now?
16:16<linuxnoob>retrospectacus: yes, my mouse works just fine...
16:17<linuxnoob>I can add one line if needed... I don't want to recreate whole xorg.conf file... that's craz
16:18<retrospectacus>linuxnoob: create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ; create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/mousewheel.conf ; in mousewheel.conf put your "Section" and one line ; restart your DM / re-login
16:18<linuxnoob>retrospectacus: thanks, I'll try that
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16:23<yJf8x9waUN>Ok, I kind of fixed it by reading these bug reports: and
16:23<yJf8x9waUN>What are the permissions for /dev/tty supposed to be?
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16:42<wazdra>I still can't do anything : i can boot on cd, but can't boot by grub : "Error : filesystem unknown grub rescue>" I could erase everything and reinstall, but i worry i won't be able to boot again. It's just a grub problem, i think i have 2 grubs, the old one from ubuntu, and the new one i just installed with debian. So I don't know what I should do (and i'd like to keep my windows partition, guarantee and stuff)
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16:44<retrospectacus>wazdra: you should be able to choose the "other grub" by choosing a different hard drive to boot in your BIOS / startup option
16:44<retrospectacus>wazdra: or, install grub to the other drive
16:45<wazdra>retrospectacus: I have only one hard drive (parted) and i don't have any ubuntu partition anymore, so i don't get it >_<
16:47<wazdra>on my bios on the other hand, i have 2 choices : Windows Loader, and Ubuntu, but they do the exact same thing, and both have the same "URL" in my BIOS
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16:47<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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16:49<wazdra>ok, ty very much, i'm reburning my debian live cd. I tried to use Boot repair to …well, repair x) But it didn't work. Do you think that could interfere with your solution ?
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16:52<Mr-R>wazdra: do you have windows 8 and uefi-boot?
16:52<wazdra>yes i do
16:53<Mr-R>wazdra: oops. welcome to uefi-hell. :-(
16:53<wazdra>but it used to work with ubuntu (and secure boot disabled)
16:54<wazdra>i'm booting in legacy, does it changes anything ?
16:54<Mr-R>wazdra: ah. how did you start the debian installer? i am not an expert on uefi... i am not sure, if grub is able to handle this. help, someone? ;-)
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16:56<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>.
16:56<Mr-R>wazdra: sorry, seems to be supported
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16:57<wazdra>well, i rebooted from Ubuntu, pressed F2 to modify my bios settings to make dvd boot, i came to debian live cd. Then i began the installation, i erased (is formatted correct in english ?) my Ubuntu and it's swap, i created the swap back, and began the installation. I think my mistake was at the end : the debian installer asked me if i wanted to link grub with windows so i would be able to run it from grub...
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16:58<wazdra>(and i said yes)
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16:59<Mr-R>wazdra: sounds right. did you install grub in the debian partition or the mbr or something like that?
17:00<retrospectacus>my "debian live CD" do you mean "debian installer CD"?
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17:00<wazdra>no, i mean "debian-live-7.0.0-gnome.iso" or something like this
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17:01<retrospectacus>do you want to run Debian live, or install debian to the hard disk?
17:01<wazdra>i want to install it on hard drive, but that works with the debian live cd…
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17:02<wazdra>Mr-R: I don't really know, it's being kind of messy, because i have a /boot folder in my debian partition
17:03<wazdra>but on the other hand, i have weird things in a boot flagged partition (FAT 32)
17:03<Mr-R>wazdra: you have to install grub on "your harddisk" not the partition. i do not know the exact phrase... my last debian install was 10 years ago. :-/
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17:06<wazdra>i don't understand what u mean :( If u want, i still have my boot repair paste bin : maybe that could help you to get how my hard drive is right now ^^
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17:08<wazdra>dpkg: if my partition is in ext4, should i replace the "ext2" iterations by ext4, or is it just a command ?
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17:08<dpkg>wazdra: I think you lost me on that one
17:09<Mr-R>wazdra: sda1 contains some ubuntu boot-loader files, i think. but, as i said, i am no exper on uefei
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17:09<Mr-R>ehm expert and uefi. :)
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17:10<wazdra>that's what i don't understand ! I don't get why ubuntu's still there and why it won't give a try to my new grub ^^ Well, now, i have a terminal on. If you need any info on what is where on my hard drive i can tell ^^
17:11<Mr-R>wazdra: its in sda1: /EFI/grub/grubx64.efi /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi
17:13<wazdra>Mr-R: yeah, i found it with XTerm on Boot-Repair live cd, but i don't know what i should do…If i just remove the ubuntu one, my bios could just not know where to boot afterwards, and i didn't find the way to tell him about the grub one (and i'd really like to check the grub/grubx64.efi to know if it's really for debian
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17:15<Mr-R>wazdra: yes. deleting/renaming could be a desaster. sorry, i am out of my league
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17:16<wazdra>wait, i'm trying to get in the .efi file just to see if it targets my sda8
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17:17<wazdra>do u know if the order of the partitions is the same with sda1, sda2, sda3 etc… than with (hd0, gpt1), (hd0, gpt2), (hd0, gpt3) etc… ?
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17:18<Unico>hi, how I can remove the calendar from the taskbar in debian wheezy (gnome-shell)?????
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17:18<wazdra>ok, now i know efi files r unreadable xD
17:19<wazdra>dpkg: i'm trying ur first solution, but i have some problems...
17:19<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, wazdra
17:19<SynrG>wazdra: dpkg is a bot
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17:20<wazdra>x) ok, thank you (newbie spotted !)
17:21<Maulkin>dpkg: Are you a bot?
17:21<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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17:22<wazdra>In France, we had a web-serie with a robot, every time he realized he was one, it had to be resetted. And of course, he had his qr code tattooed on the arm xD
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17:27<wazdra>do u think if I do a clean install, and chose different grub settings, it could work ?
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17:28<chalz>maybe - if you're trying to do an EFI install then you don't need the installer to write anything to the MBR (and you don't want your computer to boot in legacy/MBR mode - should be efi)
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17:32<wazdra>I really don't understand all of this…This is way out of my league…And i think the fact my bios has completely different terms isn't helping. To go into legacy, i had to use an option called CSM…It's an AMI bios. But I couldn't run on any usb key or dvd in EFI mode, so i went in legacy and everything worked for Ubuntu. Now, I absolutely don't know how to do a clean EFI installation, it is all new to me. Is there a clear documenta
17:32<wazdra>explaining this ?
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17:41<chalz>hmmm, the first issue is likely that your USB/CD/DVD is only set up for MBR/Legacy booting, not EFI
17:42<chalz>which is probably why you have to switch to legacy to get them to boot
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17:42<chalz>if you poke around online there should be some instructions for setting up a bootable live usb that you can boot via EFI, i think you should try this
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17:43<wazdra>but just my BIOS doesn't want
17:43<chalz>I think if you boot in legacy mode to the installer it might not do a nice EFI installation for you
17:43<wazdra>when i don't activate legacy, i can't modify my boot options
17:44<chalz>which boot options? you mean like kernel parameters?
17:44<chalz>or do you mean like which device to boot
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17:47<wazdra>yeah, whuch device to boot
17:48<wazdra>i can't tell my bios to boot elsewhere than Windows except in legacy mode.
17:49<wazdra>ok, i have something new
17:50<chalz>I'm thinking that your windows is the only thing set up for efi booting, so that's why when it boots you have no other options
17:51<chalz>because although you may have a USB that you can boot to with legacy, it doesn't mean it'll boot via EFI unless you do some special steps when setting it up
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17:52<wazdra>i finished my new installation, i asked to not put it on mbr, it went well, but now, it's asking me : "the newly installed system must be able to boot. This operation consists in installing GRUB on a boot device. Usually, it's installing it on the MBR. You can, if you want, install it elsewhere on the hard drive, on another hard drive, or even a floppy disk"
17:52<wazdra>What should i say now ? :3
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17:53<chalz>yeah this is no good... it really wants to set you up with MBR/legacy booting
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17:53<chalz>are you installing from CD or USB?
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17:53<chalz>does it have /efi and /boot folders in the root?
17:54<wazdra>i don't know how to check from the live cd itself...
17:54<chalz>you could check the ISO you made the cd from
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17:56<wazdra>wait, i have to make it a dmg i'm on my parents mac --'
17:58<wazdra>can't mount it
17:58<wazdra>but i'm on a terminal on my live cd, and when i do ls /, i see a boot folder, but no efi
17:59<chalz>is there a /boot/efi?
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18:00<wazdra>no :/
18:00<chalz>I think what's going on is your installer is MBR/Legacy only - so when your machine is in EFI mode it won't boot the isntaller
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18:01<chalz>and when you switch to legacy mode, your installer boots OK, but then it doesn't install the required EFI stuff for booting (it wants to do the MBR stuff)
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18:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:02<wazdra>ok…i'm gonna check the efi build, but it's still weird, because my ubuntu was efi and mbr, and couldn't launch on efi
18:02<chalz>i can't recall how to make a EFI-bootable debian installer CD or USB but that info should be available online
18:03<chalz>if you boot the installer from EFI, it should not ask you if you want to install grub on the MBR because that is legacy only
18:03<wazdra>i think i got it
18:03<wazdra>look at the errata
18:04<wazdra>i had my dvd and my usb key on my laptop when i installed…
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18:05<wazdra>i'm gonna try, so i won't be so stressed about being unable to boot, then, i'll see how i could fix this efi issue :)
18:05<chalz>well hopefully that info helps you
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18:06<wazdra>grub installing on dev sda
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18:09<wazdra>ok, still not working x)
18:09<wazdra>that was too beautiful
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18:10<wazdra>dpkg: help for grub rescue ?
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18:11<wazdra>i don't get it, because i download the only live cd image i could find, and there's no efi in it
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18:14<chalz>not having read it, this page may have some useful info for you:
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18:15<wazdra>nice ty
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18:18<dpkg>from memory, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on (
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18:21<wazdra>why doesn't it work with me ? x)
18:22<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
18:22<wazdra>!rescue mode
18:22<dpkg>Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>.
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18:22<wazdra>ty retrospectacus
18:22<retrospectacus>sure thing
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18:24<wazdra>i had a pretty nice conversation with dpkg :
18:25<retrospectacus>I'm surprised he didn't suggest you were smoking crack
18:26<wazdra>that seems fair, i already told him i did :D
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18:27<wazdra>u know, that's the first think i say to stranger bots : "I smoke crack, can u help me with grub rescue ?"
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18:29<wazdra> now i want to smoke and i can't find a lighter, thank you retrospectatus :p
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18:37<wazdra>chalz: ok so I don't understand anything now. Apparently (according to ubuntu's doc), my usb and cd ARE booting in EFI mode x')
18:38<wazdra>but I can't find any EFI debian image (the hybrid is the one i used, but it doesn't seem to work)
18:41<chalz>not sure about the ubuntu docs, but you mentioned earlier you had to switch your bios to legacy mode to get the installer to boot
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18:48<wazdra>yeah, but that was not the exact word, it was CSM, and every one on forums about this bios said csm was for legacy
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18:48<wazdra>but when i boot on a live usb ubuntu, it takes me to a little grub inside the key, which would be a sign (again, according to ubuntu's doc) of a uefi boot on the key
18:49<chalz>CSM is just MBR/legacy, meaning that it will use the MBR to try and boot grub or whatever bootloader
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18:50<chalz>and you can get a grub menu either via MBR booting or EFI booting, so that's not conclusive
18:50<chalz>the real test is what happens when you disable CSM and try to boot - I think you mentioned that you could only get to windows and not your USB or CD
18:51<chalz>what I'd try would be to download a debian netinst image
18:52<chalz>then look around online for how to boot it on USB via EFI
18:52<wazdra>that's it : i disabled csm
18:52<wazdra>and instead of launching the dvd, it tried to boot on windows ----> grub rescue
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18:56<chalz>do you need to press any special keys to get to an EFI boot menu perhaps?
18:57<wazdra>i need to press F2 to get in my bios/efi boot menu
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19:08<wazdra>ok, i'm getting tired, and it hasn't moved in the last 4 hours. I'm going to sleep, thx for trying to help me everybody, see u soon (i think tomorrow, but it may be only wednesday) :)
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19:12<tarcisio>Do someone knows where can I find information about __JCR_LIST__, __CTOR_LIST__ and __DTOR_LIST__ (from crts). (Yes, I tried to google it.)
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19:14<Nothing_Much>I'm wondering whether Debian has a full installer for Armel/Armhf.
19:14<Nothing_Much>or not*
19:14<tarcisio>Have no idea =)
19:15<Nothing_Much>Oh darn
19:16<dpkg>Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on
19:16<Nothing_Much>I was hoping I could use Debian before Ubuntu gets its desktop ported to armel (that and the programs as well), I just need an installer or instructions :P
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19:16<Nothing_Much>There's a difference between armel and arm? o.O
19:17<Nothing_Much>My mistake, I meant armel/armhf (preferably armhf, as I hear that version is a bit faster0
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19:19<abrotman>Nothing_Much: that channel is a generic ARM channel
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19:34<Nothing_Much>Will an ISO boot the installer on an SD card?
19:34<Nothing_Much>*Will an armhf ISO
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19:35<Maulkin>Nothing_Much: Probably.
19:35<Maulkin>As in: I don't see why not, but give it a go.
19:35<Maulkin>I suspect it depends on the primary boot loader
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19:36<Nothing_Much>Boot loader?
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19:36<chalz>need MLO and uboot for SD booting on most arm platforms I've tried
19:36<Maulkin>Yeah - basically give it a go and see what happens :)
19:36<Nothing_Much>Maulkin: what do you mean boot loader?
19:36<Nothing_Much>Oh.. well, I don't have the hardware yet, I just want to be 99% sure as to how it is
19:36<Maulkin>Nothing_Much: The thing that turns on the CPU and memory, and then loads the operating system
19:36<chalz>what hardware?
19:37<Maulkin>Nothing_Much: What's the hardware?
19:37<Nothing_Much>It's called the ODROID-XU
19:37<Nothing_Much>Basically an Octacore Armel/Armhf pc
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19:38<chalz>there could be some already done SD card images for that platform
19:38<Maulkin>Should work ok on the odroids.
19:38<Maulkin>You want the armhf architecture though
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19:39<Maulkin>Or see
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19:39<Maulkin>You're welcome :(
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19:40<Nothing_Much>My apologies, even though -
19:40<Nothing_Much>I hate these kernel panics
19:41<Maulkin>Nothing_Much: Anyway, should work. Or have a look at
19:41<Maulkin>Others seem to have got it working fine
19:42<chalz>i have a marsboard - it came with some android on the flash. i downloaded and installed some sort of android installer package which, when I boot to, gives me a list of linux distros I want to put on the SD card
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19:42<chalz>so I put raspbian on there and had 0 issues
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19:43<Nothing_Much>Maulkin: I mean
19:43<Nothing_Much>I want to use a fresh 100% unmodified Debian install iso
19:44<Maulkin>Nothing_Much: I *think* it will work. I'm not 100% sure though
19:45<Nothing_Much>The ISO? I keep hearing that only .img files would work on Armel stuff.
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19:46<chalz>the iso would contain the .img file, as well as a bunch of other critical pieces
19:46<Maulkin>Read around a bit, perhaps and debian-arm mailing list may be useful
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19:48<Manus>amanda-q cuenta que sabes de tus amigas, tengo curiosidad de saber
19:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:49<Nothing_Much>Oh my
19:50<Nothing_Much>What the heck is U-boot/
19:51<Maulkin>Nothing_Much: Read and links off that
19:52<Maulkin>Nothing_Much: I think you may need to do some reading :)
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19:54<Nothing_Much>Maulkin: Oh neat, I thought that was something different
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19:58<Nothing_Much>It's discontinued!
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19:59<Nothing_Much>Maulkin: How did it get discontinued? Where's an alternative?
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20:59<kalujny>Hi all!
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21:00<kalujny>I have a simple setup with local networks eth0 and wlan0 bridged into br0, and being routed/NATed into eth1 which is internet connection
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21:01<kalujny>the question is - why starting/ stopping for example wlan0 adds/removes a route to into routing table?
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21:05<abrotman>it's dhcp?
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21:09<kalujny>eth1 is dhcp
21:09<kalujny>let me pastebin my /etc/network/interfaces
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21:11<kalujny> here it is
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21:13<kalujny>here's output of route
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21:18<bhenson>hello all. I saw this project today and it looks like they are repackaging debian and selling it. Can someone else look at it and see what you think please
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21:59<diefi>hi a total beginner need some help here.
21:59<diefi>i have to edit source.list to get the non-free packages for the updater
21:59<diefi>but i can't get the rights to edit the file
22:00<abrotman>use su or sudo
22:00<Maulkin>diefi: Have you tried sudo?
22:00<Maulkin>Or su
22:00<diefi>yeah i tried but I'm not sure if I used it correctly
22:01<diefi>i tryed to use sudo nano etc, but i got the error, that the user is not in the sudolist
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22:02<diefi>what the exact comman i have to use to be able to edit source.list?
22:02<diefi>mine accountname is diefi
22:02<LtL>diefi: type su - then hit enter, does your prompt change to a # sign. include the4 hyphen
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22:03<LtL>diefi: ok youre root, now nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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22:03<diefi>what happens when i enter su "username"?
22:03<themill>while you're there, sounds like you might like to "adduser diefi sudo" too
22:03<LtL>diefi: then you become that user
22:04<diefi>ok i thought i would give that user su rights...
22:05<LtL>diefi: just remember to exit root when you're finished. you might want to backup any file you modify.
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22:05<diefi>an other "quick" question
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22:07<diefi>I want to install without an inetconnection, so I have to copy it via USB, what commands do i have to use to get it installed?
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22:07<nyov>dpkg -i *.deb ?
22:07<LtL>diefi: dpkg -i packagename.deb
22:07*dpkg removes a speen from nyov and replaces it with *.deb
22:08<nyov>nooo, dpkg you evil one!
22:08<diefi>ok, now the beginner lessons are over
22:08<diefi>thank you :P
22:08<LtL>diefi: do be careful as root :)
22:08<nyov>is there an update-alternatives for llvm?
22:09<nyov>the llvm 'metapackage' seems to always link to the oldest llvm version? which is now 3.0, but I also have others installed
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22:10<themill>nyov: which release of debian and which other packages?
22:10<nyov>hm, I guess I have to upgrade *that* metapackage
22:10<themill>sounds a lot like a creative mixture of wheezy and jessie there.
22:10<nyov>I see it now. well, I have installed llvm-3.1 and llvm-3.2 but only had llvm @ version 3.0
22:10<nyov>themill: it is. hehe
22:10<abrotman>win 6
22:11<themill>where could it possibly go wrong?
22:11<nyov>I just had to, I hate to already do this again with jessie (worked well enough for wheezy). but I did not want to install all these dev tools I needed now from source
22:12<nyov>eh, nothing can go wrong... what is there to go wrong? ;)
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22:22<nyov>this is what I love about debian anyhow, mixing releases isn't necessary a fail (when you know what you're doing most of the time)
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22:23<nyov>sure it can get ugly if you go for the system guts (libc, firmwares or whatnot) but not necessarily
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22:27<nyov>And I remember being forced to use fedora at some point (as the linux of choice at that workplace), maybe 8 or something, and getting big round eyes from people when asking how to upgrade to the next release
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22:28<nyov>as in "what? upgrading is not supported. you should reinstall"
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22:34<rjsalts>you could upgrade fedora at the time, but it was pretty adventurous stuff
22:37<nyov>rjsalts: hehe I believe it was. I actually tried... and failed. At the time I thought I was quite capable at upgrading systems that way. But yum took me down a notch.
22:38<nyov>Oh well, besides that little adventure, debian all the way since 2000 and it's been smooth flying. for the most part.
22:39<SamB>I think my system got a bit tangled by the Xorg transition ...
22:41<nyov>you mean right now? or back with the squeeze to wheezy changes?
22:42<SamB>waaay back
22:43<SamB>I think I'm thinking of the xf86->xorg transition
22:43<nyov>ah, alright. I wasn't sure if you meant you had a problem right now or some time previously.
22:44<SamB>but other than that it has been pretty smooth since around 2003 ...
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22:45<nyov>Well I can't say I really found a legitimate way to require a complete reinstall yet. Upgrade, downgrade, sidegrade :D
22:46<nyov>Except that stable releases tend to be outdated before official release dates.
22:46<nyov>but I simply refuse to do ubuntu
22:49<nyov>sadly more and more projects equate releasing deb packages with ubuntu. but oh well. and I'll shut up now, sorry for OT
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22:50<SamB>yeah, 'cause .deb totally stands for Ubuntu
22:51<nyov>(not that I haven't installed ubuntu debs on my debian before... also works when it's not a libc incompatibility. hehe)
22:53<SamB>yeah, I still have a bzr PPA or two in my sources.list because the people in #bzr told me it would work fine on Debian anyway ...
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22:56<nyov>the idea of ppa's is nice in general imho, but package quality just isn't the same most of the time
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22:59*rhiamom takes a bow for a successful Debian installation
23:00<SamB>well, these were at least run by bzr upstream. back before most of them left the project ...
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23:14<rhiamom>I just did an installation of Jessie, and my sources.list is pretty bare. Just jessie main, and jessie security updates main, 4 active lines in all. No contrib, nothing other than main
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23:49<neo1691>I am using gnome shell 3.4.2 and installed some shell themes, but on some themes the placement of icons in the drawer is very ugly, no space between two icons, can somebody help with by telling me which specific entry to edit in the corresponding gnome.css file?
23:49<neo1691>Here's is a picture of whats exactly happening
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23:56<rjsalts>Why does apt-get source -t unstable not work? "E: The value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources"
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