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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-24

---Logopened Tue Sep 24 00:00:34 2013
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00:01<sney>rjsalts: do you have a deb-src line for sid?
00:01<rjsalts>sney: yes
00:01<sney>and does -t sid work?
00:01<sney>(and did you run apt-get update?)
00:01<rjsalts>http://paste.debian.net/45500/
00:02<rjsalts>yes, there is a Release file for "unstable" in /var/lib/apt/lists
00:02<sney>and does -t sid work?
00:03<rjsalts>"E: The value 'sid' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources"
00:04<sney>huh.
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00:04<rjsalts>yeah, that's why I asked
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00:59<Infintie22>hi
01:00<Infintie22>hey will 64bit os run fine on 3gigs of ram just console no gui?
01:01<sney>yeah
01:01<LtL>Infintie22: sure it will, depending on the services you way offer, example apache etc.
01:01<LtL>*may
01:01<Infintie22>its just untill the new ram arrives :/ slow postage
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01:02<Infintie22>cheers for that :)
01:02<sney>yeah it'll be fine
01:02<sney>even a moderately popular webserver is fine with only 2GB or so
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01:03<Infintie22>going to be minecraft box so chucking 16gb in it
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01:08<chealer>rjsalts: Because of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=441178
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01:20<Hatter>I recently tried to compile a realtek nic driver, which failed, now I have gone back to the previous nic. However, now I need to do ifdown eth1, ifup eth1, and add the default gateway manually. How can i fix this ?
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01:21<Hatter>would a quick way be to revert to a previous kernel ?
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01:24<sney>Hatter: debian does not remove kernels automatically unless it replaces it with the same version. do you see more than one kernel in /boot ?
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01:28<Hatter>sney, I think the previous squeeze kernel is still there, i will check
01:29<Hatter>Can I re-install the current kernel ? this will generate a new initramfs ?
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01:52<root_>are u there ..?
01:52<SamB>nope
01:52<sney>!irc as root
01:52<dpkg>(from Net::IRC comments) <crab> to irc as root demonstrates about the same brains as a man in a thunderstorm waving a lightning rod and standing in a copper tub of salt water yelling "ALL GODS ARE BASTARDS!"
01:53<root_>.....?
01:53<sney>Hatter: if you want to generate a new initramfs only you can just 'update-initramfs -u'
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01:54<nevyn>I'm sure it's a selinux constrained role called root with uid0 that can't aquire capabilities.
01:55<sney>still, running some client software as root demonstrates a phenomenal lack of how shit works and should be treated as such
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01:57*SamB has vague memories of being treated in this manner
01:57<SamB>as initiation rituals go, this is pretty mild
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01:59<root_>i have problem in upgrade the system. who can help ...?
01:59<sney>!ask
01:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
01:59<root_>ok
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02:02<root_>I followed instructions and did not succeed http://www.kali.org/news/kali-linux-software-defined-radio-support/
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02:03<Hatter>sney, I have generated a new initramfs already, it still gives me a network error after booting.
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02:08<root_>Does anyone have a quick movement to upgrade kali ?
02:08<sney>!kali
02:08<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
02:09<root_>yes kali .
02:09<sney>root_: this is #debian, which supports Debian, not anything else. Please find the correct channel.
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02:10<root_>ok <sney>
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02:17<ac1d>anyone around?
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02:22<kunaldodiya>hello
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02:30<Ac1d>hey
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02:30<Ac1d>so many people and no-ones talking
02:30<nevyn>it's #debian nobody running debian has any problems.
02:31<Hatter>We love Debian.
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02:32<nevyn>!software
02:32<Ac1d>speak for yourself, lol. I'm a green-horn so I'm still learning. I have been trying forever just to get fglrx/CCC to work properly
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02:40<nevyn>heh
02:40<Ac1d>hey
02:40<nevyn>catalyst roflcopter.
02:40<nevyn>!fglrx
02:40<dpkg>fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>.
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02:42<Ac1d>already have it installed, its throwing me a error when trying to run amdcccle. Has something to do with linking libs I think
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02:42<Ac1d>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=107473
02:43<Ac1d>that's my post on the debian forums
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03:09<vortek>hello
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03:10<vortek>im being attacked by this ip a88-115-81-239.elisa-laajakaista.fi can someone please tell me how to block with iptables
03:11<vortek>i just need one example and i can block the rest of the ips
03:11<vortek>cuase i cant figure it out
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03:13<dcraig>did you try googling something like "iptables block ip"?
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03:13<vortek>im in a hurry
03:13<vortek>but i shall do that
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03:16<Stummi>if you have an server accessable in the internet, you are attacked about 100 times a day from 100 different ips
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03:18<birkorf>hello
03:19<vortek>its a dos attack
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03:20<Stummi>then add an general iptables rule to prevent dos attacks.
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03:21<vortek>what would that be lol sorry im lame i dont know this
03:22<Stummi>http://bit.ly/17YMikD
03:23<birkorf>vortex why not use squid?
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03:25<vortek>squid?
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03:48<vortek>how do i save th iptables rules i just added so i dont have to readd them evrytime i reboot
03:48<vortek>?
03:49<dcraig>iptables-persistent
03:49<vortek>that installed
03:49<vortek>now just run the command?
03:49<dcraig>no idea, never used it
03:50<vortek>k
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03:54<weasel>vortek: I use ferm to create mine.
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03:56<vortek>ferm?
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03:58<linuxfan>gosh im using xubuntu is there a bug in nvidia drivers? cos i reinstall my xubuntu cos of this - and now im scare to apt get install nvidia current
03:58<Stummi>!ubuntu
03:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
03:59<vortek>ill chwck it out thanxs
04:00<vortek>iptables-persistant does what i want
04:00<vortek>tanxs all
04:00<vortek>goodnight
04:00<linuxfan>Please Excuse me
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04:05<weasel>vortek: ferm.
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05:12<Osiris_X>hi yan
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06:18<other_nick-37>Hello. I'm makgin a deb to install multiarch in an cluster environment. Shoul I go with running "dpkg --add-architecture" or chaging "/var/lib/dpkg/arch"?
06:18<other_nick-37>By the way, dows anyone knows of forum/blogs/etc about cluster/grid mangement (school type). Tnks
06:22<nevyn>other_nick-37: arch=all or arch=any
06:22<nevyn>so if it's arch independant then arch=all
06:22<nevyn>other_nick-37: ^^
06:23<nevyn>actually I can never frigging remember.. check the reference manual
06:23<nevyn>but it's one or the other.
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06:25<nevyn>other_nick-37: are you building a binary package and intend to install it using multiarch? or your package is architecture independant
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07:38<xubuntu>como se pone en español el sistema operativo?
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08:08<other_nick-37>nevyn, I'm making a configuration packet, so machines allow for amd64 and i386, and dependencyes like ialibs-32 can be automatically installed
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08:27<other_nick-37>dows anyone knows of forum/blogs/etc about cluster/grid mangement (school type)? Tnks
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08:27<diederik>how can I find out which nvidia card is in a system?
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08:28<towo^work>lspci | grep -i vga
08:29<diederik>http://paste.debian.net/45605/ <-output for graphics card from hwinfo
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08:30<diederik>afaik judd should be able to help, but I don't know which parameters to feed it
08:31<towo^work>0x0df4 should be a GT 540M
08:32<diederik>I think you're right, thanks (laptop is from my dad)
08:32<diederik>how did you figure that out? (so I can do it myself next time)
08:32<towo^work>google the device id
08:33<nevyn>other_nick-37: I would think there are tools better suited to this (stuff like ansible)
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08:33<diederik>thanks
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08:39<other_nick-37>nevyn, we'll be "upgrading" to puppet, but in the meanwhile...
08:39<katsumoto>anyone using plymouth and grub? My plymouth theme always gets crashed by the kernel messages output when restarting... any idea how to suppress them?
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08:42<diederik>katsumoto: add quiet to the kernel parameters
08:43<katsumoto>have already in the grub config
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08:44<diederik>then it's probably 'splash'
08:45<katsumoto>that inside too ;)
08:45<diederik>no more ideas then
08:45<katsumoto>its curious, that shutdown works finde
08:45<katsumoto>*fine
08:45<katsumoto>but restart will bring back those messages
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08:47<mbaragiola>probably a noob question, but I'm having a problem with my disk space
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08:48<mbaragiola>if I have about ~500GB available in /home
08:49<mbaragiola>and home is mounted on /
08:49<mbaragiola>which is ~87GB
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08:49<mbaragiola>why is it telling me that I have no space left on /?
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08:52<devil_>mbaragiola: who is 'it'?
08:53<DNS>italy?
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08:53<DNS>:D
08:53<mbaragiola>devil_: the kernel, i guess
08:53<devil_>how does the kernel tell you?
08:54<devil_>do you have an error message you can pastebin for us?
08:54<mbaragiola>i was upgrading the system with apt-get and failed to unpacked some packages. When I check the disk with the analyzer, I see that /home/myuser/Music is taking almost 100% of root space
08:55<katsumoto>is there perhaps a way to move all make all kernel messages not appear on tty1? or to fully suppress them?
08:55<mbaragiola>but in theory /home is in another partition
08:55<nevyn>other_nick-37: ancible.
08:56<mbaragiola>perhaps this helps: http://paste.debian.net/45618/
08:56<diederik>mbaragiola: pastebin "df -h"
08:56<devil_>mbaragiola: what is 'the analyzer'?
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08:56<devil_>right
08:56<mbaragiola>diederik: done
08:56<mbaragiola>gnome's disk analyzer
08:57<diederik>you should make /var bigger (plenty of room on /home)
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08:58<devil_>mbaragiola: apt-get clean might also help for now
08:58<diederik>oh and definately make / bigger!
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08:59<mbaragiola>that's what i'm planning to do, the thing is I don't understand why is it /home files consuming / space
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09:00<diederik>why do you think that?
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09:07<mbaragiola>because that's what gnome's disk analyzer is showing
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09:09<diederik>does it also show how much (don't know gnome' d a myself)
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09:10<mbaragiola>yes, but know that I ran it with root privileges, I think is showing more accurate info
09:11<mbaragiola>I'm going to give more space to / and /var
09:11<diederik>good idea
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09:19<katsumoto>got it. /etc/sysctl.conf and the kernel.printk parameter made the kernel some more silent ;)
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09:28<k-man_>how can i set the resolution of the virtual terminal?
09:29<k-man_>as in console rather than xorg
09:29<olasd>some of my users are complaining about a "updates are available for your system" popup asking for the administrator password (that they don't have). AFAICT it affects gnome-shell and gnome-fallback users. I can't seem to find where it comes from, would anyone have a clue?
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09:31<diederik>update-notifier?
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09:31<olasd>diederik: not installed
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09:32<olasd>I suppose it comes from something in the packagekit stack, but I have no clue what triggers it
09:32<diederik>gnome-packagekit
09:32<themill>yeah, it's a packagekit thingy
09:32<dario^CIP>can dpkg --print-architecture hang? is it save to use something like "case $(dpkg --print-architecture) of ..." in an init script?
09:32*themill employs all the technical terms™
09:33<themill>olasd: I have vague memories that one should take aptdaemon out and shoot it
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09:38<dario^CIP>hmk, https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO says it's written into the dpkg binary, so it's probably safe
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09:38<dario^CIP>(or put another way, if the binary can't printf a hardcoded string anymore, you got other problems than init scripts)
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09:39<themill>dario^CIP: I'm curious... how are you going to use that in an init script?
09:40<dario^CIP>themill: we have autofs deployed, with automatic architecture-dependent .arch.os.i386.linux or .arch.os.x86_64.linux links for the binaries, and i want to migrate the three autofs-initscripts that only differ in hardcoded architecture-specification into one
09:41<themill>egads
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11:08<trasher>hi
11:08<Maulkin>Hi there. How can we help?
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11:28<other_nick-37>nevyn: thanks for your try, anyway
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11:32<luckyuser>hello my friends
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11:33<retrospectacus>hi luckyuser
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12:12<derric>Does Wheezy support OpenGL 2.0?
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12:13<SynrG>i think the smarter question is, does mesa support opengl 2.0? and if so, in what version ...
12:13<SynrG>then you just check what version of mesa wheezy includes
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12:15<supaman>!tell derric about opengl
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12:15<derric>I current have OpenGL version 1.4 Mesa 8.0.5, and some CAD apps are crashing due to lack of opengl >= 2.0
12:15<SynrG>this article suggests opengl 2.0 (at least for intel driver) is a relatively new thing
12:15<SynrG>too new to have been in wheezy:
12:15<SynrG>http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM2MTA
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12:16<derric>and I have an intel gpu.
12:16<SynrG>so i guess you have your answer already.
12:17<SynrG>i suspect it's too new even to be in sid
12:17<mehdi_>please guys, i need help about tssyS0 if any have experience with it
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12:17<babilen>derric: Check the output of "glxinfo"; it should contain something like "OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 9.1.6" which should answer your question. But it looks as if you don't have OpenGL 2.0 (or newer)
12:17<SynrG>it may be that other drivers (nvidia non-free?) implement 2.0
12:17<mehdi_>there is already an App in Visual Basic and i would like to replace it with Linux Ubuntu and PHP or bash code
12:18<babilen>mehdi_: What does that have to do with Debian?
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12:19<mehdi_>babilen, debian is the same as ubuntu ... a bash that work on debian will work too on ubuntu
12:19<Maulkin>mehdi_: No it's not. Go ask ubuntu
12:19<Maulkin>!ubuntu-irc
12:19<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
12:19<babilen>mehdi_: We do not support Ubuntu in here. Try ^^^
12:20<babilen>(and you are well aware of that)
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12:20<derric>Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04)
12:20<derric>OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
12:20<derric>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915G
12:20<babilen>mehdi_: But just to be actually helpful: Try a BASH channel such as #bash on freenode. Please respect our policy. Thanks.
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12:21<kurumin>Carlos
12:21<mehdi_>babilen, well, i'm sorry if i did it wrong but all i wont is to prove to the company that we could move to linux instand of M$ things
12:21<babilen>derric: Well, you want the "OpenGL version string" which is listed later.
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12:21<mehdi_>babilen, ok, thank you :p
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12:21<babilen>mehdi_: Sure, but this is #debian not #ubuntu nor #bash, so please take it to the right channel. Good luck and have a nice day.
12:21<derric>Babilen: OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 8.0.5
12:22<babilen>derric: There you go, 1.4 is clearly < 2.0 :)
12:22<mehdi_>babilen, thank you for your help, i did join the bash channel
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12:22<derric>babilen: Apparently so. How can I migrate the system to 2.0?
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12:23<babilen>derric: fwiw, if you really need a newer mesa you might have to upgrade to jessie (testing) at this point. I am on unstable and have the version string I pasted above.
12:24<supaman>,v libgl1-mesa-dri
12:24<judd>Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 9.1.6-2+b1; sid: 9.1.6-2+b1; experimental: 9.2-1
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12:25<babilen>derric: It is not necessarily a setup I would recommend to anyone as running a development release of Debian entails a couple of problems that you might not be willing (or able) to deal with. In particular it is *not* a stable system (in Debian's "stable == not changing" sense), doesn't receive full security support and you might have problems with bugs and/or package removals.
12:25<supaman>according to mesa homepage verson 8 implemented OpenGL 3.0
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12:26<babilen>derric: It might be possible to backport Xorg and libgl1-mesa-dri from sid to wheezy but that is likely to be quite a lot of work. You might want to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable to learn a bit about testing and unstable (a lot of tips in there apply to testing too) and take a look at "/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie"
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12:26<katsumoto>what is more recommended (and will have less problems with upgrading)? Running stable and using backports or running testing?
12:26<babilen>supaman: Interesting; Any idea why we see the output in question then? (I am no graphics person whatsoever)
12:27<supaman>babilen: nope, same here, not much into graphics, just reading the net
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12:28<babilen>katsumoto: Running stable and using backports is certainly the setup we would recommend. But it really depends on your wishes and technical background. testing was (and is) not really meant to be used by end-users and is rather a tool to help us in creating the next release ... but then a lot of people use it and developers acknowledge that too.
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12:28<babilen>supaman: yeah, fair enough :-/
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12:29<katsumoto>babilen: hm but will backports also be updated if there is a new release (e.g. if jessie will be the new stable)? Could I upgrade without problems to that new then?
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12:29<derric>babilen: I am trying the nvida non-free drivers. Let's see about that first.
12:29<katsumoto>(and what about iceweasel... this seems to be in unstable only?)
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12:30<retrospectacus>katsumoto: newer iceweasel is available from mozilla.debian.net
12:30<babilen>derric: Oh, didn't you say that you have an intel GPU?
12:31<babilen>derric: And see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for nvidia installation instructions.
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12:34<derric>babilen:
12:34<derric>Working on it.
12:34<SynrG>there's always the possibility the software that complains about needing opengl 2.0 uses a broken method for determining actual support level provided ...
12:35<SynrG>say, checking the aforementioned glx version string ... ;)
12:35<SynrG>(if that string doesn't mean what we think it means)
12:35<katsumoto>babilen: oh, at dirver installation... do I need to install anything new for an i3 processor (cpu + integrated graphics)?
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12:35<derric>what does this mean, should I install firmware?
12:35<derric>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100
12:36<SynrG>distilling compliance with a large and complex standard down to a *single number* is tricky business ...
12:36<SynrG>if you fail on a single point of the standard, you should be considered "out of compliance"
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12:36<SynrG>i don't know if that's what's going on here. but i offer it as food for thought
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12:37<babilen>katsumoto: I would install firmware and microcode, but that processor is well supported.
12:37<babilen>dpkg: tell katsumoto about microcode
12:37<katsumoto>intel-microcode is yet installed ;)
12:37<babilen>katsumoto: And include firmware-linux-nonfree and whatever else you need.
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12:37<katsumoto>okay
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12:39<babilen>katsumoto: And yeah, if you have many packages installed from backports an upgrade between stable releases would be problematic. If you end up installing everything and the kitchen sink from backports than you are much better off just running testing or unstable in the first place, but it depends on what *you want*.
12:41<babilen>I mean I happily run unstable, but I wouldn't dream of recommending this nor would I use it on a system that is used for serious work (that is other people scream at me if it is broken); Take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and make up your mind what you want. I also have no idea how much you know about Debian and how many years of Linux System Administration experience you have.
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12:41<babilen>katsumoto: If you end up installing 3-4 packages from unstable and are happy with a stable system that you can use to get work done then use that.
12:42<babilen>ooh, s/from unstable/from backports/
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12:42<katsumoto>alright, I would propably need some developers tool and so on...
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12:43<babilen>katsumoto: My recommendation for now: Use stable, get comfortable with Debian, its tools and packaging system.
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12:44<sEdivad>Hi
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12:45<retrospectacus>hi sEdivad
12:45<sEdivad>I had a strange crash some minutes ago and wanted to report/understand it, can I ask here?
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12:45<retrospectacus>sEdivad: if it is Debian, go ahead (on one line)
12:45<sEdivad>ok
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12:47<sEdivad>I was using my Debian 7 as usual and suddenly a ton of KNotify popups appears and keeps flooding the system and rending it unusable, SSH not working etc. Turns out /var/log/messages is full of the same message repeated again and again
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12:49<retrospectacus>... are we going to have to ask what the message is?
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12:49<sEdivad>yes, I'm searching it in the log
12:50<sEdivad>wait a minute
12:50<sEdivad>http://pastebin.com/Gw5sA7Wr here you go
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12:51<katsumoto>babilen: should I use pinning for that? Or will apt always try to get a package (so if its not in stable, try backports?) - or better: will apt-cache search display it then? and if one installed from backports, will it always use upgrade from there?
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12:51<retrospectacus>sEdivad: it appears to be a problem with your "ESPRIMO Mobile V5505" not communicating properly
12:52<babilen>katsumoto: Install packages from backports as I showed you earlier. If you don't pass the "-t wheezy-backports" apt will not install packages from there by default (and doing that would be a bad idea)
12:52<sEdivad>I see... could it be the hard disk I changed recently, retrospectacus?
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12:55<retrospectacus>sEdivad: is it a USB hard drive?
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12:55<katsumoto>babilen: okay. but apt will track backports for upgrades for that special package?
12:55<sEdivad>No, a SATA one
12:55<sEdivad>on the said Esprimo laptop
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12:57<retrospectacus>sEdivad: I'm not sure. This message doesn't seem very helpful. Are you still encountering any issues?
12:57<sEdivad>No, this was my first and at the moment only issue
12:58<retrospectacus>sEdivad: was there anything in particular you were doing at the time?
12:59<sEdivad>No, at all, I was browsing with chromium and had the usual kde applications in background
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13:00<sEdivad>I guess I will just wait for it to happen again?
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13:01<retrospectacus>sEdivad: yeah. If you suspect your new drive, maybe there is a bad connection
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13:02<sEdivad>Ok, thanks for your help retrospectacus :)
13:02<retrospectacus>sure
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13:09<didier>didier
13:09<wazdra>omg what the fuck...
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13:10<wazdra>I don't know if u remember what happened to me yesterday, but my BIOS just let me boot through EFI on a DVD without any logical reason O.o
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13:18<amir>hi
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13:20<Kane274>Does anyone have a 15" laptop recommendation that works nicely with Debian?????
13:20<Kane274>I don't care what brand, as long as you are satisfied :)
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13:20<mtn>Kane274: look at zareason. you can get debian preinstalled
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13:21<Kane274>Ok thx, checking it out right now.
13:21<retrospectacus>avoid "optimus" chips
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13:23<Kane274>Is that shop in th USA though ? Because I live in Europe ;)
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13:23<mtn>Kane274: no idea, I am sure the website would have that info
13:24<sney>yeah, avoid nvidia optimus. Lenovo Thinkpads are usually supported well too. and some Toshiba
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13:25<Kane274>sney: I love Lenovos :) Do you have a model you recommend ?
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13:26<EmleyMoor>I have an X131e (AMD version) that works very well
13:26<sney>Kane274: http://www.thinkwiki.org/ see this page
13:26<wazdra>usually, i would recommend asus, for the hardware, but their bios sucks just too much. Go lenovo :)
13:26<sney>I like the T series, though.
13:27<Kane274>Cool page, thx! Gonna read into it
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13:27<Kane274>Yes T series is nice ;D
13:27<wazdra>oh btw, has any one heard from Dell ? :D
13:28<wazdra>1st price "linux built in pc" (and it's ubuntu) : 1k4 $ (in France) wtf ?
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13:28<sney>all of my experience tells me to avoid dell
13:28<sney>I would use a dell laptop if it was free.
13:28<EmleyMoor>I had a good Dell once, but they can be awkward
13:29<sney>yeah, I've used some okay ones too, but it's too much of a risk
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13:29<wazdra>what happened ? You want to talk about it ? (M-x doctor on)
13:30<sney>this is a bit offtopic anyway
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13:31<wazdra>Oh, I heard some news about Debian getting a Secure boot key…It's a fake right ?
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13:33<sney>yeah that's not happening
13:34<wazdra>right, i didn't understand
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13:36<mehdi_>any help with serial port ?? i have nothing working ... and i'm dump fucking down !!!
13:37<retrospectacus>mehdi_: what version of Debian are you running?
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13:38<wazdra>ok seeya. /quit
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13:43<katsumoto>Kane274: i'm having a Lenovo too and just set up a fresh debian 7.1 there today. Some problems with the installation from usb but after that everything worked out of the box
13:44<Maulkin>mehdi_: We told you to go ask Ubuntu about this.
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13:47<mehdi_>Maulkin, No one have an answer, they did what they can and it's suck :/ sorry for the perturbation, but i'm desperate
13:47<Maulkin>mehdi_: Go install Debian then.
13:47<retrospectacus>mehdi_: install Debian! then we can help you
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13:49<mehdi_>Maulkin, retrospectacus ok, here i'm going to format :)
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13:50<mehdi_>Maulkin, retrospectacus i did have debian for a quite 1 yr and didn't be enough tough to move to squeeze ...
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13:51<mehdi_>Maulkin, retrospectacus what diff should be between deb and ubu on this part of the system, as ttyS things are the same ?!!!
13:53<retrospectacus>!based on debian
13:53<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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13:54<blast007>mehdi_: what is preventing you from just asking on the #ubuntu channel on freenode?
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13:55<sney>apparently they don't have any answers
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13:55<thomas_>nabend
13:55<mehdi_> blast007 i did !
13:57<thomas_>hello?
13:57<Maulkin>!ask
13:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:58<babilen>mehdi_: Seriously, you are well aware of our policy. Please respect it and take it to #ubuntu (or ##linux or another channel)
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13:59<retrospectacus>mehdi_: or #bash on freenode (that is the official channel - the one here is only very small)
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14:07<Knorrie>huh... I'm rsyncing files from disk xvdk to xvdn, but this is what iostat shows... http://paste.debian.net/45700/ activity on xvdo, but in reality nothing happens with xvdo now, it's a completely new empty filesystem
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14:11<naudiz>linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that
14:11<naudiz>Unix is the way. Linux is a cheap knockoff of unix
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14:14<owner>anybody kno anything about the unbuntu system really well
14:14<sney>!ubuntuirc
14:14<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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15:16<banana>hi
15:16<banana>i desperatly need help with something
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15:17<EmleyMoor>You don't know how to someth?
15:17<babilen>banana: okay, good to know :)
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15:17<babilen>dpkg: tell banana -about smart questions
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15:18<banana>hello
15:18<banana>sorry
15:18<banana>my question:
15:18<banana>A program fudged up my /boot/efi partition and now I cannot boot into debian
15:19<banana>Is there a way I can reinstall that partition?
15:19<babilen>"a program" -- which program? "fudged up" -- what happened exactly?
15:20<babilen>dpkg: tell banana -about fixmbr
15:20<babilen>(that might do it, but no idea without further information)
15:20<banana>program: grub-costumizer, fudged up: removed a couple grub files from the /boot/efi partition (most likely)
15:21<babilen>banana: That's not in Debian AFAICT, does the fixmbr procedure sort you out?
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15:22<banana>fixmbr is probably the solution for when I am dualbooting with windows. which is not the case
15:23<babilen>How so?
15:24<banana>I have a UEFI laptop
15:24<babilen>So following that procedure does not fix your problem?
15:25<babilen>don't get hung up on the name of the factoid, it is called that due to historic reasons (and due to the fact that the procedure does not differ between MBR/GPT LEGACY/EFI systems)
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15:26<banana>could you please link me to the procedure?
15:26<babilen>Our bot (dpkg) sent you a private message some minutes ago. Can you find it?
15:27<Maulkin>Factoid updated to make that explicit
15:27<banana>it says: tell banana -about fixmbr
15:27<babilen>thanks
15:27<banana>Also, I know the exact problem, is there no way to get to that?
15:27<babilen>banana: You should have received a private message in your IRC client. It might have opened in a different window or tab.
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15:27<babilen>banana: What is the exact problem?
15:27<babilen>dpkg: fixmbr
15:27<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
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15:28<babilen>banana: This is what the bot sent you -- I will assume from now on that your IRC client is not capable of receiving these messages. Please correct me if that is wrong (that is if you managed to find the window/tab/... with the message from dpkg)
15:28<banana>the exact problem: grub files got removed from the /boot/efi partition
15:29<banana>And I see the new message
15:29<babilen>banana: That's not very exact; Which files got removed? But back to square one: Does the procedure above sort you out?
15:30<banana>Sorry could you please explain this part: switch to the other console (Alt-F2)
15:30<banana>I am not very sure which files, but I am assuming the fixing procedure is the same
15:30<banana>like, can't I reinstall that partition?
15:31<babilen>banana: Do you have access to your system?
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15:32<banana>As in, can I boot into debian?
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15:32<banana>Or do I have the machine (laptop) with me?
15:32<babilen>banana: Or chroot from a live CD (or out installer as explained in the factoid). Yes, exactly that :)
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15:34<banana>Uh yes I have a ubuntu live CD, or usb in my case
15:34<babilen>banana: The commands I want you to run are: 1. update-grub2 2. grub-install /dev/whatever -- with /dev/whatever being, most likely, /dev/sda -- The factoid describes a procedure to chroot into your installed system from the installer in a way that allows update-grub2 and grub-install to function properly.
15:35<babilen>banana: You don't have to chroot from the Debian installer and you can chroot from the Ubuntu Live CD. The procedure is the same (Just start from "mount your root filesystem")
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15:35<banana>I will try running those 2 commands and report back. Please give me a minute
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15:39<babilen>banana: Make sure to chroot into your Debian as explained in the factoid (you have to make sure that /dev, /proc and /sys are available in the system)
15:40<babilen>banana: Let me know if you have problems with any of these steps
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15:40<banana>Haha just wanted to tell you that it asked me if some things were mounted
15:40<banana>Let me do that first
15:41<babilen>just follow the instructions
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15:41<babilen>(paste your commands and output to http://paste.debian.net (in their entirety!) if you need help)
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15:45<banana>When I try to mount /dev/sda it tells me that it is already mounted or that the mount target is already mounted, but neither is true
15:45<vortek>is there such a tool that will alert me if someone portscans me?
15:46<banana>The "switch to another console part
15:46<banana>was skipped because alt-f2 doesnt do anything
15:47<babilen>banana: You don't mount /dev/sda but you want to mount your root partition which would be something like /dev/sda1 -- but that depends on your partitioning scheme. The output of "gdisk -l /dev/sda" might provide some clues if you are not sure about it.
15:48<babilen>banana: You don't have to skip to another console. It is not necessary at all if you are already running a live CD. It is needed to get a console from our installers and therefore not applicable to you as you use the Ubuntu live cd.
15:48<banana>Well that's a bit unclear from the instructions the bot gave me
15:48<babilen>Hence my explanation. Don't be afraid to ask clarifying questions if you are unsure about something.
15:49<banana>"update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever", is whatever also the root partition?
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15:57<banana>sudo chroot /mnt/help (my target directory) gives this error:
15:58<banana>./bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: __vdso__time: invalid mode for dlopen(): invalid argument
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16:00<babilen>banana: You run "update-grub" and "grub-install /dev/sda" within the chroot. Please paste all your commands to http://paste.debian.net if you want us to debug the last error.
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16:01<banana>...but I cannot chroot because it gave me that error
16:01<babilen>But it sounds as if maybe the Ubuntu Live CD (due to a different libc6) is incompatible with the Debian system ...
16:02<banana>Of course it is
16:02<babilen>banana: I understand that, I was simply answering your question in chronological order. If you have the Debian install disk you might want to try chrooting from that. I'm, as of now, not entirely sure what causes that problem and can simply rely on my gut feeling.
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16:03<banana>Yo, the problem is grub got removed from my /boot/efi partition. Or do you mean the problem with the error?
16:03<babilen>The latter.
16:03<banana>Do you need me to do this with the Debian installer?
16:03<babilen>In order to fix your grub problem you "simply" have to chroot into your Debian system and run "update-grub2" and "grub-install /dev/sda"
16:04<babilen>banana: chrooting from the Debian installer (or a Debian live CD) would certainly work, yes
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16:04<banana>Where can I find a terminal in the debian net cd, or doesn't it have one?
16:04<babilen>banana: You enter ALT-F2 to get to it.
16:05<babilen>banana: I'll take a break now, good luck!
16:05<banana>thanks
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16:07<banana>someone else here?
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16:08<SamB>it works better to ask actual questions, usually
16:09<banana>thats true. Which file should I download from all the torrents here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/
16:09<banana>I just want a debian live cd without interenet connection
16:10<banana>+ installer though
16:10<sney>netinst
16:10<banana>without internet connection
16:10<sney>oh, without internet
16:10<ompaul>why not grab from http in that case from a mirror there are many and they identify at a high level what disk you are looking at
16:10<sney>CD-1 then.
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16:11<ompaul>cd-1 is not live
16:11<ompaul>banana: is this just to chroot and fix grub
16:11<sney>many people say "livecd" when they just mean an installer
16:11<ompaul>there is that
16:11<ompaul>still there's nobody here :)
16:11<banana>I want a debian live (so like, I can use it as a desktop) plus an installer in it
16:12<banana>just like the ubuntu one
16:12<ompaul>debian does not do things "just like ubuntu" so that's going to frustrate you from the off, do you have an internet connection for the hardware?
16:12<sney>nothing in debian is going to be "just like ubuntu"
16:12<vortek>how do i close port 111 and port 25 with iptables?
16:12<sney>live images are probably still available at http://live.debian.net/
16:13<banana>Oh good god I just meant the installation iso guys, calm down!
16:13<banana>I know it is not like ubuntu
16:14<ompaul>banana: we don't know what you want to actually achieve. We don't know what kind of hardware, we don't know too much at all.
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16:15<banana>Dear Paul: I want an iso of debian, in which I can use it as a Desktop (you know, like the ubuntu one (DONT FREAK OUT!)) plus it needs to have an insatller in it
16:15<banana>Hardware is absolutely unimportant here
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16:16<blast007>banana: you've already been given a link to Debian Live
16:16<sney>banana: then take a deep breath and notice that I already gave you a link.
16:16<sney>the live images have a (somewhat modified) installer built in.
16:16<babilen>banana: netinst is fine, you don't have to configure the network connection (and it is not needed for the installer let alone for chrooting)
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16:17<banana>Oh babilen hi. The netinst is fine? I have that one already!
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16:18<banana>alt-f2 doesn't do anything do
16:19<diederik>nope, you'll need a real live-cd for that
16:19<diederik>http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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16:20<banana>You are a champ diederik, it is installing right now
16:20<diederik>yw
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16:24<axius>Hello, I have a laptop running debian wheezy and I want to use a USB HDD Dock to install debian wheezy on a SATA HDD to use in a desktop computer. Any hints on how to do this ?
16:24<blast007>banana: in the netinst, Alt-F2 gives me a screen that says "Please press Enter to activate this console." - so I press Enter and I get a shell..
16:25<banana>Like right when you get to the options screen? Where you can chose from Install, graphical install, etc?
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16:26<babilen>banana: try alt-2
16:26<babilen>banana: Start the installer and then change to the other console with ALT-F2, hit enter and you are set to go.
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16:27<banana>Alt-(f)2 doesnt do anything. My options are: Enter for select, c for grub command line and e for edit option
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16:28<ompaul>F2 not (f)2
16:28<banana>I know, I meant both F2 and 2
16:29<sney>banana: well you have to boot it first
16:29<babilen>banana: start the installer
16:29<babilen>didn't I say that?
16:30<sney>of course you don't get a shell at the isolinux prompt
16:30<banana>Nope. I even explicitally asked for it lol
16:30<banana>So I should start the installer?
16:30<babilen>...
16:30<babilen>yes!
16:30<banana>Alrighty one sec!
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16:31<banana>sweet i go into something called BusyBox
16:31<banana>anyways, let me try the commands again
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16:33<ompaul>you shouldn't be in busybox - I think I wouldn't be able to work out how you got there
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16:35<axius>Could anyone give any hints ?
16:35<axius>Please ?:)
16:36<banana>Hm I click alt-f2 and got into it...
16:36<banana>the mount command gives me an error:device not found
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16:36<banana>probably because I shouldnt be in the busybox thing
16:36<ompaul>axius: just do it in the machine you want to do it in, you will have far too much pain from where you are
16:36<Maulkin>axius: Should be fine - just select the USB disk as the install target
16:37<Maulkin>axius: You may also need to adjust some things manually in it
16:37<Maulkin>Or yeah, do what ompaul said
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16:37<axius>Okay, thanks guys :) I'll make a usb boot installer
16:38<banana>succes axius!
16:38<ompaul>axius: things like trying to make your eth work and that can become a little "interesting"
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16:39<ompaul>axius: and that was just moving working disks from one server to another
16:39<ompaul>axius: if you can keep it as dhcp it will make your life somewhat easier
16:39<axius>banana: thanks :)
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16:39<axius>ompaul: I see, thanks for the info :)
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16:40<vortek>could someone tell me why iptables isnt closing my ports when i tell it too?
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16:42<retrospectacus>iptables cannot close ports
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16:42<retrospectacus>it can drop packets destined for ports
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16:43<retrospectacus>vortek: show us your goal, what you tried and what happenend on paste.debain.net
16:44<vortek>that url says does not work?
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16:45<retrospectacus>http://paste.debian.net
16:45<retrospectacus>!debain
16:45<dpkg>from memory, debain is often a typo of Debian.
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16:45<ompaul>!debian
16:45<dpkg>it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
16:46<ompaul>oh dear
16:46*ompaul gives up twice over
16:47<vortek>http://paste.debian.net/45743/
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16:49<banana>What the heck, the debian live cd gave me the same error when I wanted to chroot, just like the ubuntu live cd
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16:50<vortek>read my paste yet?
16:51<banana>the error: ./bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: __vdso__time: invalid mode for dlopen(): Invalid argument
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16:52<retrospectacus>vortek: yeah. try getting rid of "-m tcp"
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16:52<retrospectacus>or change -j DROP to -j REJECT
16:52<vortek>k thanxs
16:52<retrospectacus>and nmap from a remote host, not localhost of course
16:52<trico>looks right to me, search this page for how nmap defines the word filtered http://nmap.org/book/man.html
16:54<banana>babilen, may I slap you?
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16:55<babilen>banana: no
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16:55<babilen>banana: What's your Debian system exactly? (wheezy, ...?)
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16:55<banana>my debian system was jessie
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16:57<babilen>You might need a system with libc6 2.17 to be able to chroot :-/
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16:58<banana>Know of any system with that?
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16:59<babilen>banana: Can you boot from the installer? (menu item?)... GRML (grml.org) is a super live CD that comes with libc6, but there are definitely others
16:59<babilen>Haven't had that many problems during chroot ever :-/
17:00<banana>I am using a debian live cd right now, or do you mean something else?
17:00<banana>"Haven't had that many problems during chroot ever :-/ " welcome to my linux live. And I have only been here for 2 months
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17:04<babilen>banana: I am referring to http://grml.org/
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17:05<banana>": Can you boot from the installer?" was reffering to that, sorry. It is downloading right now
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17:06<sorenson>Quick question. I have a list of IPs (non-contiguous) that i need to quick scan to see fi they're up. Since there's nearly 80, I'd rather not do it manually. I've looked but cant' find a one liner or short script that'll read the IPs from the file and output each IP to a command (in this case nmap -Pn). Ideally, redirect the output to another txt file. Can anyone help me?
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17:07<SamB>sorenson: xargs can do that
17:07<sorenson>Even a 'here's the basis of what you need to start' link.
17:07<Maulkin>SamB: cat file | xargs nmap -Pn
17:08<sorenson>SamB: I'd thought so, but it looks like xargs dumps the entire....
17:08<sorenson>Maulkin: SamB: Let me try that.
17:08<Maulkin>sorenson: Or: for IP in `cat file`; do nmap -Pn $IP; done
17:09<Maulkin>Depends if you want to do one at a time or all at once
17:09<SamB>you can also tell xargs to pass only one arg at a time
17:09<Maulkin>Oh? That's handy.
17:10<Maulkin>That'll save me writing lots of snippets like the above :)
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17:10<Maulkin>Huh... UUOCA to me.
17:11<Maulkin>xargs takes "-a file"
17:11<sorenson>Hrm. Trying that. It looks like it is working but the output is not coming back to STDOUT except on error
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17:11<sorenson>so I can xargs -a IPs.txt?
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17:12<Maulkin>By the looks of things, "xargs -a IPs.txt nmap -Pn"
17:13<Maulkin>or "xargs nmap -Pn < IPs.txt"
17:13<Maulkin>Basically, read "man xargs" :)
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17:14<retrospectacus>or, nmap -iL file -Pn
17:14<ompaul>banana: is there anything of value on the debian install on that box?
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17:14<Maulkin>Even better
17:14<sorenson>Maulkin: Pulled it up already.
17:14<sorenson>Maulkin: SamB: Thanks much!
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17:15<trep>hi. i am trying to get hardware acceleration on my radeon 9600. i boot with video=radeonfb:off and that works but accelerated colors are incorrect/messed up (dont know a better term for this). is there anyway to fix this?
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17:15<SamB>yes, I suspected that nmap had such a facility but mentioning xargs seemed more educational ;-P
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17:16<sorenson>SamB: And, in all actuality, that's what I wanted. I'd rather learn HOW to do it so next time I don't have to ask.
17:17<banana>babilien: the installation is incredibly slow, I can't really wait for it now :/
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17:18<wazdra>hey, i'm finally done with installing, and i'd like to configure my touch pad (i just need it to right click when i click with 2 fingers or, in the worst case, when i click in the right corner). I'm on 7.1 I searched for info on internet, but I can't find anything helping. I have neither a xorg.conf, nor a xorg.conf.d and i can't create one with xorg -configure, returns me a fatal error. What should i do ?
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17:20<fnmueller>wazdra: which driver runs your touchpad?
17:21<wazdra>I know it's Elantech, and I have synclient
17:21<wazdra>but i can't get to modify anything on it
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17:22<fnmueller>which output does "synclient TapButton1=1" return?
17:22<wazdra>none
17:23*banana slaps babilen around a bit with a large trout
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17:23<fnmueller>wazdra: in that case and if synclient supports your touchpad, it shoudl work
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17:23<trep>so a better explanation of my issue: i seem to get color corruption on gl applications when using hardware acceleration. my card is a radeon 9600.
17:23<wazdra>but I don't understand how i'm supposed to change synpatics parrametters
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17:24<wazdra>(because i don't have any xorg.conf file)
17:24<fnmueller>you just did, read the info file for synclient or the manpage
17:24<fnmueller>this has got nothing to do with xorg.conf
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17:25<wazdra>that's what i understood from the debian wiki o.O
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17:25<retrospectacus>wazdra: you can create it or a file in xorg.conf.d if you think you need to. But the synclient program should be all you need
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17:26<wazdra>ok, thank you fnmueller and retrospectatus (you, sir, helped me a lot last 2 days ^^)
17:27<fnmueller>ty :-)
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17:37<wazdra>I don't get the ClickFingerX option : if I set ClickFinger2=2, it should make a right click when i click on the touchpad with 2 fingers right ?
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17:53<SavvyIdentity>evening
17:53<retrospectacus>hi luke
17:53<SavvyIdentity>hi
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17:55<SavvyIdentity>anyone give me an idea whats up with xfce and automounting? it's a reasonably untinkered setup, I have pmount and hal installed and I can automount usb devices.. but I cannot make icons appear on the desktop or in the thunar left pane
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17:56<SavvyIdentity>it's also easily done that a window pops up etc when a usb stick is inserted
17:56<SavvyIdentity>but all icons everywhere is missing
17:58<mtn>SavvyIdentity: do you have thunar-volman installed?
17:58<SavvyIdentity>yep, it's doing the automounting but it does not do the icon thing and thunar is unaware a usb is mounted
17:59<SavvyIdentity>so usb does not show up in the left pane or on the desktop
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17:59<mtn>SavvyIdentity: did you turn on automounting in the thunar settings?
17:59<SavvyIdentity>yeah all the settings are on for that
17:59<mtn>SavvyIdentity: sorry, then I don't know what is the problem.
18:00<SavvyIdentity>It will happily open a folder on it if i open it even, just.. no icon in thunar or the desktop, so the practical purpose of using the filemanager is non existent
18:00<SavvyIdentity>nautilus shows it ok
18:00<SavvyIdentity>ah thanks for trying
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18:02<SavvyIdentity>I don't need to be part of a specific group or anything, right?
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18:03<SavvyIdentity>i remember that being the case back in the days of cd-roms
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18:05<SavvyIdentity>hm eh brb
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18:07<wazdra>I've been searching for like 30 minutes for 1 parameter…does someone knows how to enable right click with synaptics ?
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18:49<derric>I have intel gpu in my wheezy system and tried to install the nvidia drivers, now x is broken. How would I force a reinstallation of x?
18:50<nevyn>do you have a nvidia card?
18:50<nevyn>as well like some optimus type thing?
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18:51<derric>I have on board intel cpu.
18:51<retrospectacus>do you have an nvidia graphics card?
18:52<derric>I hve on-board intel 910G gpu. Debian install only used OpenGL 1.4 for it, and people recommended that I install the nvidia drivers to get OpenGl 2.0 to work.
18:53<nevyn>wat?
18:53<derric>That's what led me to install nvidia drivers.
18:53<Nemoder>easy solution: install nvidia hardware
18:53<nevyn>in a laptop?
18:53<Nemoder>well that would be harder
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18:54<retrospectacus>also fairly easy, remove the nvidia things you installed (and unconfigure xorg accordingly)
18:54<derric>Apt-get refused to remove them, complains about broken glx link.
18:54<retrospectacus>easiest would have been to confirm with us that that would not work, when you were here hours ago. But, well...
18:55<derric>That is what was suggested here hours ago.
18:55<derric>Anyway, I just like to get it working again even with the gl-1.4
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18:56<retrospectacus>I just scrolled up and no, nobody suggested that
18:57<derric>Rsync
18:57<retrospectacus>derric: just remove the "driver nvidia" section in xorg.conf snippet, should be a start
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19:01<derric>OK
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19:06<jasper>Hey. I've been having a bunch of problems with my computer. I think it's the hardware but I'm not sure. any help I can get?
19:07<retrospectacus>!ask
19:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:19<derric>retrospectacus: I deleted the nvidia conf entries, and X is working partially again.
19:20<derric>Now when I try glxinfo I get:
19:20<derric>Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
19:20<derric>Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
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19:25<retrospectacus>derric: put Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net
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19:33<derric>retrospectacus: paste.debian.net/45783
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19:37<retrospectacus>derric: run "update-alternatives --config glx" and choose mesa
19:37<derric>Doing some more reading about intel 910G gpu, it seems is a cost effective solution for integrated video, lacking the capability of shade rendering for OpenGL2.0.
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19:40<derric>retrospectacus: OK, now I got: * 1 /usr/lib/mesa-diverted 5 manual mode
19:40<derric>Reboot?
19:40<retrospectacus>reload X
19:40<derric>That'll drop me out of here for a moment.
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19:43<derric>retrospectacus: Super! OpenGL 1.4 is now back in full force. Thank you!
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19:44<retrospectacus>cool
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19:46<vortek>how can i log dos attackts?
19:46<vortek>attacks
19:47<nutron>I see that apache2-dev is not available in wheezy, and no related bugs as to why it was removed. But is available in sid with the new version. Where can I further investigate how to create this package as I need the headers for some testing...
19:47<vortek>Denial Of Service attacks
19:47<Maulkin>vortek: Basically, you can't really. Speak to your upstream ISP
19:47<nutron>(I'll need to distribute it to other servers, hence the need of a package)
19:47<Maulkin>nutron: packages.qa.debian.org/packagename
19:47<vortek>k
19:47<vortek>thanxs
19:48<Maulkin>vortek: If looking for a particular file, use the bottom search box on packages.debian.org
19:48<vortek>k
19:49<retrospectacus>nutron: afaict apache2-dev is for apache2.4 ; replacing apache2-prefork-dev & apache2-threaded-dev of apache2.2
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19:50<nutron>ahh you are correct sir. For some reason I thought I was running 2.4 =/
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19:50<nutron>retrospectacus: thanks
19:50<retrospectacus>yep
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19:56<Maulkin>!ask
19:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:27<topcyde>!smart-questions
21:27<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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22:04<pedro>hola
22:04<pedro>alguien esta alli
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22:04<sney>!es
22:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:04<pedro>debian-es
22:05<pedro>debian-es con
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22:12<topcyde>what's the difference between compiling from source and backporting unstable? I mean in the sense of reliability.
22:13<sney>software in unstable has been in the debian ecosystem already, may have already had some bug fixes applied, and when you backport you're still working within apt
22:14<topcyde>so I would be helping to find bugs in it too right?
22:15<sney>yes, though your environment would be different
22:17<topcyde>oh, so I wouldn't be very helpful.
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22:20<topcyde>Is there a way to manage back-ports in synaptic? all the documentation alludes to apt-get and aptitude.
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22:29<sney>topcyde: synaptic behaves pretty weirdly with mixing releases. you're better off just using the command line tools.
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22:31<topcyde>sney: thanks for the heads up.
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22:35<bounce>heh. synaptic has been unusable for me for a while now. I wish it'd log what it gets into a tizzy about.
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22:41<topcyde>to back-port from unstable is it the same as pack-porting from wheezy only substitute"unstable" for "wheezy" or should I use "sid"or am I completly wrong?
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22:47<chealer>topcyde: Synaptic has no support for compiling
22:47<topcyde>but apt-get does though right?
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22:51<chealer>topcyde: right. Synaptic is more usable, but not as powerful
22:52<themill>I don't know that it's even more usable given how many bugs it has
22:52<topcyde>I can't find any documentation though on how to backport from unstable. not even in tldp.
22:53<themill>topcyde: I'm sure dpkg has already provided you with some; also wiki.debian.org has some
22:53<topcyde>I've had no problem with synaptic so far
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