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00:41<aaron_>hello
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00:59<vortek>hello i installed portsentry and its not letting me know when i get port scanned, what can i do to fix this?
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01:55<LinuxGuest001>Hey
01:56<LinuxGuest001>I'm interested in downloading installing Debian Linux from debian.org and I was wondering if debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent is the correct one to download to my DVD R+
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02:02<Nemoder>LinuxGuest001: if you may wish to use the net install linked on the main page instead
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02:02<Nemoder>it's a smaller image and you can download just the software you want after install instead of lots of stuff you'll never use
02:03<Nemoder>the dvd is nice however if you plan to do the install somewhere without a good net connection
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02:09<LinuxGuest001>I have a good connection, wireless and it's in my house as a belkin connection/router. So, is that the download? because there's DVD-1, DVD-2 and DVD-3
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02:15<SamB>LinuxGuest001: there's nothing WRONG with that one
02:15<SamB>you probably shouldn't bother with downloading DVD-2 and DVD-3
02:16<Nemoder>LinuxGuest001: it's less hassle to keep updated just using the net installer image: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
02:17<Nemoder>but you can use whichever works best for you
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02:17<LinuxGuest001>My download torrent I'm using BitTorrent, it's not downloading or processing from share peers right now
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02:22<SamB>maybe the torrent forgot to have getright-style webseeds ...
02:23<katsumoto>is there a oracle/sun java jre download available in the repositories? (not openjdk)
02:25<Nemoder>!java
02:25<dpkg>Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net.
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02:30<katsumoto>Nemoder: thanks. dpkg is a nice bot here!
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02:31<stevenm_>katsumoto, except it tells us nothing about how to install oracle's java
02:32<stevenm_>mainly because that's out of the scope of debian
02:32<stevenm_>well it is now anyway :)
02:33<katsumoto>i guess there is only sun jre6 available, right?
02:33<katsumoto>and 7 is available as openjdk
02:33<stevenm_>within official debian archives yes, and it's an older archive and it's not (can't) receive security update
02:33<stevenm_>*updates
02:33<stevenm_>openjdk != oracle's java
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02:34<katsumoto>yeah - but isn't it 100% compatible?
02:34<katsumoto>(now with version 7...)
02:34<stevenm_>katsumoto, no not always
02:34<stevenm_>if you want the real deal then I suggest installing the update-sun-jre package from here... http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php
02:34<stevenm_>that package takes care of installing the official version for you and as oracle releases new versions you get them
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02:35<katsumoto>can I trust them? ;)
02:35<stevenm_>it also gives an explanation as to why the situation is so stupid lol
02:35<stevenm_>katsumoto, well it's just a script of theirs - feel free to read it to see what it does
02:35<stevenm_>it's mentioned on various ubuntu/debian wiki's and is widely used
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02:37<stevenm_>tbh I don't see why it can't go in to debian officially - other script 'installers' exist in debian such as ttf-mscorefonts-installer
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02:48<katsumoto>the key of the developer seems not to be inside the keyservers :D
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03:40<aborrero>hi
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04:10<gianks>Hi all!
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04:10<gianks>If possible i need a little of support with wheezy multiarch.
04:11<gianks>I've enabled i386 architecture on my wheezy amd64
04:11<gianks>i added it with dpkg, then run apt-get update
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04:12<gianks>now i'm unable to install ia32-libs-i386 due to the attempt of apt-get to remove over 500 packages from my system
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04:13<themill>perhaps you can pastebin the output
04:13<gianks>i386 packages are conflicting with their amd64 version, so apt wish to uninstall and reinstall almost the entire sys
04:13<gianks>yes, one sec pls
04:13<ixi>have you tried installing ia32-libs-i386:i386 ?
04:14<ixi>because I think that's what you really want
04:14<ixi>(WHY you want that is another question though)
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04:14<gianks>http://pastebin.com/UdqBEu78
04:15<gianks>i'm sorry the output is in italian
04:15<gianks>i tried to install the evil, SKYPE
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04:27<gianks>no ideas? :)
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04:43<gianks>themill, ixi, can you helo me?
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04:44<ixi>helo? are you an smpt server ?
04:44<ixi>smtp*
04:45<ixi>gianks no ideas, try poking at listed packages that can not be installed with aptitude why-not
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04:46<maxy>gianks: I don't think you need ia32-libs-i386 to run skype. You should need to install the :i386 packages that skype depends on.
04:47<maxy>Also, there is really no amd64 version? Shame on skype
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04:47<maxy>gianks: https://wiki.debian.org/skype
04:49<katsumoto>skype is bad, though
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04:50<ixi>,v skype
04:50<judd>No package named 'skype' was found in i386.
04:50<ixi>hm
04:52<stdhell>ixi: Skype is not a debian package.
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05:06<bites>hi
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05:09<bites>can somone explain me what does [Wed Sep 25 12:08:17 2013] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
05:09<bites>means?
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05:10<stdhell>bites: You're missing some <VirtualHost *:80> ... </VirtualHost> blocks.
05:11<stdhell>Create them in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and enable them with a2ensite.
05:11<gianks>maxy i'm tring to install also ia32 to run other sw which require 32 libraries
05:11<bites>i seee
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05:12<bites>thanks stdhell :) is so long i havent used apache tho :))
05:13<madduck>is it normal that this cheap HP laptop of mine just doesn't output any bass through the builtin soundcard? I find it hard to imagine that nowadays even cheap soundcards can't do reasonable playback
05:13<madduck>or is there a setting I am overlooking? There is nothing in alsamixer or amixer pertaining to bass
05:14<gianks>i've tried to install a package from i386
05:14<gianks> libgtkglext1:i386 : Dipende: libgtk2.0-0:i386 (>= 2.24.0) ma non sta per essere installato
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05:15<gianks>same problem, if i try to install i386 packages most of them depends upon other i386 packages: resolving the deps apt always falls to a massive removal
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05:16<gianks>http://pastebin.com/BG4exrRE
05:17<gianks>this is the output if i try to add the specified dep on apt-get install
05:17<gianks>every package i add complains about other deps and so on
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05:17<gianks>i don't really understand why apt is not simply following every dep on i386 arch
05:18<ixi>gianks can we see pastebin of apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0:i386
05:18<stdhell>gianks: Could you add LANG=C in front of the commands you're trying to run?
05:18<Stummi>and please set LANG=C ... okay
05:18<ixi>also, please use http://paste.debian.net to paste stuff
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05:20<gianks>ok, http://paste.debian.net/45919/ here you'll see that i386 and amd64 pack are conflicting themeselves
05:21<gianks>apt-policy is here http://paste.debian.net/45920/
05:21<stdhell>gianks: I don't speak Italian... Please use LANG=C
05:21<gianks>sorry, read tto late... going to do new pastebin sorry
05:22<gianks>http://paste.debian.net/45921/
05:22<gianks>all three attempts in en :)
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05:24<ixi>gianks LC_LANG=C aptitude why-not libgtk2.0-0:i386
05:24<ixi> >> pastebi
05:24<ixi>n
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05:25<gianks>http://paste.debian.net/45922/
05:25<gianks>not so useful :S
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05:26<ixi>gianks did you modify any files under /etc/apt/ by hand
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05:27<gianks>yes, sources to add i386... http://paste.debian.net/45924/ here sources.list
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05:27<gianks>http://paste.debian.net/45924/ here the attempt to install via apt-get libgtk2:i386
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05:28<ixi> ^ same link
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05:28<gianks>http://paste.debian.net/45923/
05:28<bites>i was trying to change the my server domain name and i think i modified something i shouldnt do apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName
05:28<gianks>my fault
05:28<gianks> :O
05:28<stdhell>link--;
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05:29<ixi>gianks LC_LANG=C dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
05:29<ixi>>>pastebin
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05:30<stdhell>gianks: Stupid question, but you did run dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update right?
05:30<katsumoto>if a theme (that has a history gnome 3.2, 3.4., ...) has "Gnome 3.6 only" written above this history... does it only mean: Not for 3.8? Or is there really a break between 3.4 and 3.6 (not backward-compatible)?
05:30<gianks>no output
05:30<gianks>yes i did
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05:31<gianks>ixi no output from last command
05:31<ixi>gianks is the system in question wheezy from the start?
05:31<gianks>yes
05:32<ixi>well, I have no idea
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05:32<ixi>gianks did you follow https://wiki.debian.org/skype ?
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05:33<gianks>ixi all started from skype install but the package i'm trying to install libgtkglext1 is for another software
05:33<stdhell>bites: Do you have a ServerName line in your <VirtualHost> blocks?
05:33<ixi>gianks which software?
05:33<gianks>:P you'll punch me... pSX an emulator
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05:34<gianks>the same sw runs ok with ia32-libs on kubuntu
05:34<gianks>i can't belive debian is not able to handle a multiarch while ubu/kubu yes
05:34<gianks>and yes i also need skype
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05:35<bites>stdhell: you mean in the sites-enabled/defauld?
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05:35<gianks>ixi i'm now following the skype tutorial from deb
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05:36<stdhell>bites: Well, maybe not for the default one, but for all the others.
05:36<ixi>gianks http://psxemulator.gazaxian.com/readme.txt this thing ?
05:37<gianks>yep :)
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05:38<gianks>ixi skype seems to be solving deps ok... now downloading some i386 packages...
05:38<stdhell>bites: I'm not sure how Apache tries to find the FQDN. Does hostname -f work?
05:38<ixi>gianks is the source code for that thing available?
05:38<gianks>ixi unfortunately not
05:39<gianks>ixi pSX is a closed source as far as i know
05:39<bites>i found it in a manual , thanks stdhell
05:39<ixi>gianks meh.
05:40<gianks>ixi but anyway the problem here don't reside in pSX... or yes, it's old and close source (bleah!) but on kubuntu 13.10 (amd64) runs ok with right deps
05:41<gianks>ixi here is wheezy not allow me to install i386 packages even if multiarch enabled
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05:44<ixi>gianks LC_ALL=C aptitude install libgtkglext1:i386
05:44<ixi>>>pastebin
05:44<babilen>( http://paste.debian.net to be precise )
05:44<ixi>he's aware
05:46<babilen>even better :)
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05:48<ixi>any news gianks ..?
05:48<gianks>http://paste.debian.net/45927/
05:48<gianks>sorry for the dalay
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05:48<ixi>welp
05:48<ixi>now that looks a bit more interesting
05:51<ixi>I'm not sure if libgcrypt11:i386 is supposed to conflict with libgcrypt11
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05:51<ixi>if such thing is even possible
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05:52<gianks>ixi i'm not aware about this... i used to install ia32-libs without this headhakes in lenny :P
05:53<gianks>ixi this is exactly what i'm trying to understand... why i386 and amd64 packages are conflicting themeselves
05:53<gianks>they are supposed to be installable on the same time... otherwise multiarch is just a theroy
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05:54<ixi>gianks did you run apt-get update recently ?
05:55<gianks>ixi multiple times... but doing it again right now... same results
05:56<gianks>ixi anyway multiarch is seems to be ok since i have: http://paste.debian.net/45934/
05:56<ixi>gianks LC_LANG=C apt-get -f install
05:56<ixi>>>pastebin
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05:59<gianks>ixi nothing to do with install -f: http://paste.debian.net/45939/
05:59<ixi>gianks is there an /etc/apt/preferences file on your system ?
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06:00<gianks>ixi no, i've /etc/apt/preferences.d/ folder empty
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06:04<gianks>ixi there seems to be a serious problem with the repo
06:05<gianks>ixi i've downloaded libgtkglex1:i386 from deb packages website, tried to install (failed due to missing packages), then apt-get install -f and voilà
06:05<babilen>gianks, ixi: I'm working on something else right now, but the underlying issue here is that libgcrypt11 is a "Multi-Arch: same" package which means that you *have* to have the identical version installed for all architectures. Look into apt-cache policy output and sources.list configuration
06:05<gianks>ixi now downloaign deps
06:06<ixi>babilen his sources are clean
06:06<ixi>wheezy and wheezy updates
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06:07<gianks>ixi, babilen: give me 5 minutes to complete download of deps and install. I'll pastebin you the log of the dpkg/apt
06:07<gianks>anyway there is something wrong here...
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06:09<gianks>babilen ixi in the mean time here is the apt-cache policy for libgcrypt11: http://paste.debian.net/45940/
06:09<gianks>sorry, missed lang=C http://paste.debian.net/45941/
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06:11<gianks>ixi babilen, here the installation log of libgtkglext1 (SUCCESSFUL): http://paste.debian.net/45943/
06:11<babilen>gianks: And there we find your issue, mind pasting your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy libgcrypt11:i386 libgrcrypt:amd64" too?
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06:11<babilen>err, make that last one: apt-cache policy libgcrypt11:i386 libgrcrypt11:amd64"
06:12<babilen>(argh! without the typo) *sigh*
06:12<ixi>^LC_LANG
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06:13<gianks>babilen, ixi, here you go: http://paste.debian.net/45946/
06:15<babilen>gianks: Okay, lets repair that as you have multiple issues with your sources.list. Could it be that you made it a habit to manually download and install packages?
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06:17<babilen>gianks: But as you can see: The issue is that you have libgcrypt11:amd64 1.5.0-5+deb7u1 installed locally, but no repository configured with that version. The candidate for the i386 package is version 1.5.0-5 which you cannot installed as both packages (as "Multi-Arch: same") have to be the same version.
06:17<gianks>babilen no... i never download pkgs manually... it's very unusual for me
06:18<babilen>gianks: Good as that is a very bad habit and something that you shouldn't do :)
06:18<gianks>uhm... have i to align them'
06:18<gianks>i've to replace the foreign pkg
06:18<babilen>gianks: Either way: You got that libgcrypt:amd64 1.5.0-5+deb7u1 version *somewhere* and changed your sources.list afterwards so amd64 and i386 are out of sync now. But lets fix this by cleaning up your sources.list
06:18<babilen>One second please.
06:19<bites>it keeps telling me sudo: unable to resolve host mars
06:19<ixi>gianks it's funny that you say that you never download packages manually since just 5 minutes ago you downloaded libgtkglext
06:19<ixi>;)
06:19<bites>when mars is supossed to be my hostname, i dont get it
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06:20<gianks>give me
06:20<gianks>sorry wasn't for here :)
06:20<gianks>ahahah ixi... yes you are right... i've lost my way today :P
06:22<gianks>babilen ixi: uhm... i'm not sure how to proceed to replace the pkg... apt sais that it's up to date and i don't know how to force apt to download and install the repo version (which seems to be older or equal)
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06:23<babilen>gianks: Please use http://paste.debian.net/45949/ which contains the wheezy/updates (i.e. security updates) repositories that you were missing. I also removed the superfluous [arch=amd64,i386] entries which are not needed for Debian. Ubuntu needs these entries as their (broken?) mirrors do not carry all architectures while Debian mirrors do.
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06:24<babilen>gianks: Once you use that sensible sources.list (or use http.debian.net as mirror which picks the "best" mirror automagically for you) you have to run "apt-get update" and you should see that the candidate version for both libgcrypt11:amd64 and libgcrypt11:i386 are 1.5.0-5+deb7u1
06:24<babilen>judd: v libgcrypt11
06:24<judd>Package: libgcrypt11 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.5-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.5.0-5; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.5.0-5+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u1; jessie: 1.5.3-2; sid: 1.5.3-2
06:24<babilen>judd: v libgcrypt11 --arch amd64
06:24<judd>Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.4.5-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.5.0-5; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.5.0-5+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u1; jessie: 1.5.3-2; sid: 1.5.3-2
06:25<babilen>gianks: The issue was that you had neither wheezy/updates nor wheezy-proposed-updates
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06:25<gianks>babilen WOW! You solved it!
06:26*babilen tips his hat
06:26<gianks>babilen ia32-libs is now going on to be installed like a charm!
06:26<gianks>bibilen ahahahah i'll offer you a beer!
06:27<babilen>gianks: Make sure to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" as you most likely missed out on a number of security upgrades.
06:27<ixi>whats the significant change between the new and the old sources.list ?
06:27<ixi>security updates ?
06:27<gianks>babilen i'll do it asap!
06:27<gianks>ixi thanks to you too for your help, very appreciated!
06:28<babilen>ixi: I added wheezy/updates ... yeah. And removed the superfluous [arch=amd64,i386] entries.
06:28<ixi>hm
06:28<gianks>so if i understand i had libgcrypt11 from updates but no updates on sources?!?
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06:29<babilen>No idea how you managed to install libgcrypt11:amd64 1.5.0-5+deb7u1 in the past, but it might be that you had an entry for wheezy/updates in the past, installed that package and then removed wheezy/updates.
06:29<ixi>I also see that the old wheezy-updates host was cdn.debian.net
06:29<ixi>maybe that has to do with something
06:29<babilen>yeah, took the liberty to change that, but that shouldn't have had an effect
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06:30<ixi> I still don't understand why the proper source of libgcrypt has appeared
06:30<ixi>unless security provided it ...
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06:30<babilen>ixi: 1.5.0-5+deb7u1 is indeed available from wheezy/updates
06:30<babilen>ixi: Check judd's output above.
06:32<ixi>but he already had deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
06:32<ixi>ah
06:32<ixi>wheezy-updates vs wheezy/updates
06:32<ixi>*now* I see it
06:33<gianks>ixi... are they different?!?
06:33<gianks>never known
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06:34<gianks>ixi babilen... i'm sure... never touched updates sources anyway... :P
06:36<ixi>gianks can you paste one more thing
06:36<ixi>LC_LANG=C apt-cache policy libgcrypt11:i386 libgcrypt11:amd64
06:36<ixi>just to confirm something
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06:39<babilen>gianks: Yes, they are *very* different. wheezy/updates is hosted on security.debian.org and under control of the security team. It contains, unsurprisingly, security updates. wheezy-updates OTOH contains packages that have to be updated regularly to perform their function (think virus scanner or so)
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06:39<babilen>dpkg: tell gianks about wheezy-updates
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06:56<ntcbow>anybody knows how to downgrade iceweasel from v22 back to v21?
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07:10<ntcbow>i found installer packages for iceweasel 10, 17, 23 and 24 in debians repository, where are those other versions being moved to?
07:11<SynrG>by 'installer packages' you just mean packages?
07:11<SynrG>not sure what you mean by 'moved'
07:11<ntcbow>yes, *.deb
07:11<SynrG>or 'those other versions'
07:12<SynrG>,v iceweasel
07:12<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; wheezy-security: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.0-2
07:12<SynrG>each release has exactly one version at a time.
07:12<ntcbow>there has to have been a iceweasel_21.something.deb in ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/ (i believe)
07:12<SynrG>at one point, yes. they get removed from the archive
07:12<SynrG>!snapshots
07:12<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
07:12<ntcbow>removed like deleted?
07:12<musca>iceweasel 17 and iceweasel 24 are based on firefox' extended support release, iceweasel 21,22,23 are dead
07:13<SynrG>removed like deleted, yes.
07:13<SynrG>see snapshots factoid i gave you above
07:13<ntcbow>oh cool thank you dpkg :D
07:13<SynrG>dpkg is a bot
07:13<dpkg>SynrG: I don't know, could you explain it?
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07:13<ntcbow>say hello to dpkg
07:14<ntcbow>thank you very much SynrG
07:14<SynrG>np
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07:15<ntcbow>synrg like the synergy i'm just using to type with my laptop keyboard on my pc?
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07:15<SynrG>the choice of nickname far predated it. i chose it around 1994
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07:16<ntcbow>hehe and years after that you got incidentally famous
07:16*SynrG shrugs
07:16<k4rk4s>ita ?
07:16<ixi>!it
07:16<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:10<gianks>ixi i'm back
08:10<gianks>sorry
08:10<gianks>was out for work
08:11<gianks>as you requested http://paste.debian.net/45980/
08:11<gianks>babilen thanks for the explain, pretty clear now
08:11<ixi>thanks gianks it confirms my suspicion
08:11<ixi>security repo is exactly what was missing
08:12<ixi>my bad for not realizing somthing that important about your wheezy sources (I am still noob)
08:12<ixi>and good that we have babilen
08:12<babilen>d'aww :)
08:13<gianks>ixi yes! thanks babilen, you saved my day (not just for psx :P )
08:13<gianks>i've appreciated your help very much guys! DEBIAN RULES!
08:13<babilen>gianks: You are welcome, enjoy whatever psx enables you to do!
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08:26<IkkeT>hola que tal gente
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08:26<IkkeT>iee
08:26<Barbaro>eke
08:26<IkkeT>barbado
08:26<IkkeT>tengo una duda
08:26<Barbaro>la mas tetuda
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08:26<IkkeT>el otro dia me descargue un video porno y no se como hacer para que me salga semen
08:26<Barbaro>paulioooooooooooo
08:27<stdhell>Could you please speak english?
08:27<Barbaro>yeah
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08:27<stdhell>... and be on topic.
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08:30<IkkeT>any speak spanish?
08:31<IkkeT>i have a dude of ubuntu
08:31<Barbaro>tty766yty
08:31<Barbaro>yyyyyyy65
08:31<IkkeT>what?
08:31<Barbaro>sorry could you pls speak binary
08:31<Barbaro>0101010011010
08:31<stdhell>!es
08:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:31<IkkeT>01010101011110010000101
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08:32<ntcbow>IkkeT: there's a spanish debian channel and there's a ubuntu channel, you're in the wrong channel
08:33<ntcbow>!hr
08:33<dpkg>i guess hr is Croatia
08:33<ntcbow>kewl
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08:35<IkkeT>hi
08:35<caravel>Hola IkkeT: aqui es el canal debian en inglés, quieres ircs://irc.freenode.net:6697/#ubuntu-es
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08:35<IkkeT>i speak english too
08:35<stdhell>IkkeT: Do you have a Debian question?
08:35<IkkeT>yes
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08:39*caravel stdhell: well, I guess IkkeT = BATIDACO = trolls. Same in #debian-es...
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08:40<stdhell>Yes... Same username @ same host...
08:40<caravel>and... same non-sense, even in Spanish :)
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11:41<Faryshta>hi. how do I start xfce4 session?
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11:42<retrospectacus>Faryshta: usually your login manager will start it
11:42<Faryshta>retrospectacus, yeah, I logged in using XDM but I am still seeing gnome
11:43<retrospectacus>assuming you did install xfce4 , there should be a chooser on the xdm login window
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11:44<Faryshta>retrospectacus, i installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies. But I didn't saw the option to log in using XFCE or gnome
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11:47<stevie>I think you have to go where the other options are stored and place them there. That works on ubuntu.
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11:48<Faryshta>stevie, cool. where are they stored?
11:48<stevie>I don't know
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11:48<SynrG>xdm is a poor choice
11:49<SynrG>use gdm3 or lightdm
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11:50<Faryshta>SynrG, ok how do I configure gdm3 to be used instead of xdm?
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11:50<SynrG>just install it
11:51<Faryshta>SynrG, I have it installed already
11:51<SynrG>if it is already installed, then edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
11:51<Faryshta>when I end a session XDM promps out
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11:51<SynrG>or dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
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11:51<SynrG>i think it prompts you to make it the default
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11:52<SynrG>task-xfce-desktop depends on lightdm, incidentally
11:52<SynrG>so if you did a fresh debian install with xfce4, that's what you would get
11:52<Faryshta>ok I changed the default-display-manager file. I will end this session and try
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11:53<SynrG>you'll probably need to shutdown xdm and start gdm3 now
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11:53<SynrG>... which should be self-evident when he ends his session :)
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11:53<Faryshta>nope, didn't worked
11:54<SynrG>12:53 < SynrG> you'll probably need to shutdown xdm and start gdm3 now
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11:54<SynrG>otherwise xdm is still running when you end your session
11:54<Faryshta>SynrG, how do i do that?
11:54<SynrG>from text console:
11:54<Faryshta>ok
11:54<SynrG>as root
11:54<SynrG>/etc/init.d/xdm stop
11:54<SynrG>/etc/init.d/gdm3 start
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11:59<opello>hello; a package was removed some time ago (python-bsdiff) via bug #613707 it seems, and i only noticed after moving forward in ubuntu lts
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11:59<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc opello
11:59<dpkg>opello: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
11:59<opello>... so ubuntu takes packages from debian, i lost it through an action of the debian project, should i not address my concern here?
12:00<SynrG>no
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12:00<retrospectacus>opello: we have no control of Debian, we just support its users
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12:01<SynrG>ubuntu is fully responsible for anything that breaks, even if debian was the source of the breakage. they serve their own users with patches and uploads to fix problems independently of debian
12:01<opello>so i shouldn't try to get the package to be maintained by debian again, which is what the ubuntu seems to recommend doing
12:01<opello>?*
12:01<SynrG>obviously, the ideal is that fixes go back to debian. but ubuntu user support is always done through ubuntu support channels.
12:02<opello>sure, that makes sense, i guess i was curious if i had to file a bug through ubuntu/launchpad to get action on this side of the fence then?
12:03<SynrG>if you're an ubuntu user and want a package in ubuntu, obviously you file an ubuntu bug
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12:03<SynrG>debian will not package something just because ubuntu wants it
12:03<SynrG>it has to make sense for debian's users
12:03<opello>well, *i'm* a user of both :p
12:03<retrospectacus>opello: *you* will have to take responsibility to maintain that package if you ever want it back in debian/ubuntu. Clearly from the bug report, no-one else is interested
12:04<SynrG>do you want the package to use it in debian?
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12:04<SynrG>if so, you have a legitimate basis for filing a debian RFP bug
12:04<SynrG>please don't "game the system" and file an RFP if you only ever intend to use it on ubuntu, however.
12:04<opello>i want it so my it department can update to newer ubuntu
12:04<opello>so i suppose you're right
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12:05<opello>but the justification used in the bug (dead code for ~1.5 years) also applies to bsdiff, and bsdiff is still in debian
12:05<opello>i guess i just feel burned for using bindings instead of shelling out to the command line tool :/
12:05<SynrG>even dead upstream packages remain in debian so long as it has users and nobody complains
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12:06<SynrG>removals tend to happen when upstream is dead *and* there are no users and/or there are sufficient problems with the package to warrant removal
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12:06<retrospectacus>this one seems to be for the older python version
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12:08<opello>it still builds and works with 2.7, has some warnings that probably should be fixed
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12:08<rahul_>hii
12:08<retrospectacus>opello: then go ahead and use it. But go to the ubuntu channel for support
12:08<SynrG>opello: sounds like you are well on your way to becoming the next maintainer ... ;)
12:08<rahul_>hi
12:08<SynrG>opello: since you seem to know what needs to be done with it
12:08<retrospectacus>hi rahul_
12:09<opello>heh, but with no grounds for doing so; thanks for your time :/
12:09<rahul_>hii...retro
12:09<rahul_>actually i have question to ask you
12:09<rahul_>may i?
12:09<retrospectacus>rahul_: please just ask your debian question
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13:24<karthik>hi can any one help me how to install appserv in ubuntu?
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13:25<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc karthik
13:25<dpkg>karthik: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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13:26<karthik>ok thank you
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13:55<esseks>Hi! I'm following this (https://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork), but I'm stuck at the very first commands: if I run sane-find-scanner as root, the scanner is correctly detected, but if I run that command as normal user, nothing will show up. I have double checked and my user is both in the lp and in the scanner group. Am I missing something?
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14:56<indigo>доброго всем
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14:57<retrospectacus>!ru
14:57<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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14:58<indigo>!ru
14:58<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:14<Unico>why can i send files via bluetooth from my pc but not receive? any help?
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15:59<rir>On wheezy, I am trying to sysadmin configure gnome 3 via dconf. Is this a place to get help?
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16:01<hwgasdfasdf>I'm looking for some help with new cups 1.6.3. I have a print server that has all my printers defined and shared, and then a few clients that used to "just work". After upgrading to cups 1.6.3, all I have is problems. The clients can once again see the shared printers (after installing cups-browsed), but I can't print, or set any advanced options (like duplex), and in the system printing dialog, the status stays at "Getting printer information..." forever
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16:20<msi>as there's no one on the wiki channel, i ask my question here: does anyone know why the page de/Openbox disappeared from the debian wiki? how can i find out about this?
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16:22<Maulkin>msi: No, you need to speak to the wiki people
16:24<msi>Maulkin: well then...ok.
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16:24<Maulkin>msi: As in, there's no trace of it as far as I can see
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16:25<msi>the page was develeped in conjunction with the english page in 2011 or so.
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16:26<Maulkin>msi: Probably best to mail them to be honest
16:27<msi>Maulkin: ok. i'll do that.
16:27<Maulkin>msi: Did you try in #debian-www ?
16:28<msi>no, but i just read about it. it's the official channel.
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16:51<CptJack>Hi guys. I want to run a python application. and it needs. Socksipy. I've ran apt-get install python-socksipy.. but still it gives em the same error.. can you guys help?
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16:52<CptJack>The error displayed is: ImportError: No module named SocksiPy
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17:01<retrospectacus>CptJack: try a python channel: #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net
17:01<CptJack>ok thanks
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17:16<ubuntu321>what?
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17:51<bamphomet>hello :)
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17:55<retrospectacus>hi, bamphomet
17:55<bamphomet>can I register a nick on this network over IRC? or do I need to register on a website?
17:56<retrospectacus>bamphomet: /msg nickserv help
17:56<bamphomet>ah, thank you.
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18:12<hwgasdfasdf>I think I solved my cups issue - the hostname on the cups server did not match the dns name, and rather than doing a reverse lookup and advertising that name for the printers, cups stupidly just takes the hostname
18:12<hwgasdfasdf>great design
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18:19<devil_>what do you expect from rotten fruits?
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18:27<hwgasdfasdf>GRRR, still doesn't work on a different client even though the hostname resolves properly
18:27<hwgasdfasdf>f'ing cups
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18:30<jlp_>buona sera
18:31<retrospectacus>jlp_: hello
18:31<jlp_>ciao
18:31<jlp_>e la prima volta che uso linux
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18:32<stderr>!it
18:32<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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18:34<jlp_>ok grazie mille ci provo
18:35<esseks>hi! I have installed python-dbg, executed a script and attached with gdb, but I cannot find py-* commands in gdb! Am I missing something?
18:35<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps um I have a problem. I need to get some podcasts from my web to debian machine, to the android phone.
18:36<Eryn_1983_FL>Do i just go to the rss feed and download them
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18:36<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: why would you ask here instead of trying it?
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18:37<Eryn_1983_FL>if i try it i will be an hour. i was hoping to skip the learning experience one time..
18:37<Eryn_1983_FL>maybe there be an easier way
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19:39<mister>marcia
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19:48<intrik8one>hi everyone
19:48<retrospectacus>hi intrik8one
19:48<intrik8one>new to ubuntu
19:48<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc intrik8one
19:48<dpkg>intrik8one: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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20:55<angel>Does anyone know an easy way to install Ubunto One on Wheezy?
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21:10<angel>How do I add ubuntu repos to debian wheezy?
21:12<abrotman>you generally don't, they likely won't work
21:12<angel>abrotman, ok. I need to install ubuntuone on debian but all the solutions I find require lots of ubuntu packages anyway
21:13<abrotman>need?
21:14<angel>yes
21:14<abrotman>so why not use Ubuntu?
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21:18<angel>abrotman, thats not helpful
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21:19<abrotman>it was a question, not advice
21:19<angel>just because.
21:21<abrotman>That's not helpful.
21:22<GinoMan_>well played
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21:23<GinoMan>touche*
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21:24<GinoMan>there we go... now my nick is right
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22:47<ectospasm>you're welcome.
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23:14<zeref>Hello
23:16<zeref>How might I take the output of a program(or script) and send it into another programs input? Say, I'm in the middle of running a program. It asks me to enter my name, but I want to send the output of a script there instead of my keyboard input.
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23:19<zeref>Trying to accomplish this from command line.
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23:20<ectospasm>cmd1 | cmd2 | cmd3 | ...
23:20<zeref>I'm not asking about paramters, they program is already running. Then asks for input.
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23:21<zeref>I want to send the output of a script to that input.
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23:21<ectospasm>it depends on how it asks for input. If it reads from stdin, you can use the pipe method. I never could figure it out if it read from a TTY
23:22<themill>zeref: that's precisely what cmd1 | cmd2 does unless cmd2 is doing something special (like passwd entry programs do)
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23:25<zeref>Yeah, printing it to stdin just ends up spitting it out into the console.
23:26<ectospasm>you need to pipe that output into the program you want.
23:26<zeref>How do I do that while it's running?
23:27<ectospasm>...that's tricky
23:27<zeref>Wait.
23:27<zeref>Wait wait.
23:27<zeref>Thought of a work around.
23:27<zeref>I'll just pipe in the options up TO that point as well. Since the program waits for '\n'
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23:28<zeref>So like 'option1'+'\n'+'option2'+'\n'+'what-I-want'
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23:30<zeref>ugh, that failed.
23:31<zeref>No wait, it worked!
23:33<ectospasm>\o/
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23:35<zeref>themill: I see what you're saying now.
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