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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-27

---Logopened Fri Sep 27 00:00:39 2013
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00:08<vortek>I mean can i run native freebsd programs with the kernel?
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00:18<keantoken>My auth.log blew up to 308.5GB!!!
00:19<keantoken>And I'm on a 120GB SSD!!!
00:19<keantoken>I deleted it, but the directory still says only 44MB left.
00:19<keantoken>Please help.
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00:51<vortek>can anyone help me?
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00:56<factoreal>vortek: check disk
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01:03<vortek>?
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01:04<factoreal>fsck
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01:06<antuan>hello everyone i had a question about pinguy
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01:06<antuan>about its boot or i should say splash manue
01:06<jm_>!pinguy
01:06<dpkg>PinguyOS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.pinguyos.com/ #pinguyos on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
01:07<antuan>its a straight blue what line in the bottom and goes straight to log on
01:07<antuan>everything on it works great i was a preview windows user and will not go back
01:07<vortek>i have read the kfreebsd faq and wiki but in still confused, do you run freebsd ports with kfreebsd?
01:08<antuan>any tips on the boo screen
01:08<antuan>boot
01:08<antuan>or its like that
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01:28<keantoken>apt-get hangs on autoclean
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02:04<Nano>How can I convert a W95 FAT32 (LBA) USB filesystem into ext4?
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03:05<vortek>how can i secure my system beoyond iptables?
03:05<nevyn>vortek: good security practice...
03:06<vortek>?
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03:09<Stummi>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
03:09<Stummi>but yeah, security practice is the most important thing
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03:11<zem>what woukld be proper way to add persistent static route to debian?
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03:12<Stummi>an post up script in whatever manages your network (probably ifupdown if you don't use network-manager or so)
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03:14<moonguy>Hi
03:15<vortek>thanxs
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03:24<vortek>goodnight
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05:22<aidalgol>Which parameter do I need to set so that only local users can *send* mail via exim? Or is that the default?
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06:14<Gryllida>Again what easy lightweight alternative to Xorg is there? Trying to run a GTK app on a small box.
06:14<nevyn>framebuffer?
06:14<nevyn>mir *giggle*
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06:16<nevyn>there's kdrive but I'm pretty sure it's dead.
06:16<nevyn>Gryllida: ^^
06:16<Gryllida>Acknowledged.
06:16<nevyn>Gryllida: how small is small btw?
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06:24<flxmmr_>i think directfb is the simplest option (although running x should be no problem, if small is post 2000 pc-small)
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06:30<Gryllida>nevyn, 256MB, don't remember cpu
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06:38<other_nick-37>Hy. How can I have an option to choose between my configuration files and new ones from updates, like in ubuntu, or gentoo?
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06:39<jm_>other_nick-37: for dpkg controlled files it's default to ask you
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06:58<SynrG>other_nick-37: what specific problem are you trying to solve? it sounds like something did not work as you expected it to.
06:58<other_nick-37>jm_: what do you mean? I usually use aptitude and never received any message. I think it always keep my config files.
06:59<SynrG>again, specifics please
06:59<SynrG>in what case do you think you have a file that is kept without prompting
06:59<SynrG>just because a file is a configuration file does not mean a package provides a new one
06:59<other_nick-37>SynrG: not really. I was just updating a mint distro and it keeps asking me if I want to keep my modified file or update to the new
06:59<SynrG>in those cases you will not be prompted because the configuration file you have modified is not "owned" by the package.
06:59<SynrG>does that answer your questioN?
07:00<babilen>dpkg: mint
07:00<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
07:00<SynrG>in cases where you have modified configuration files provided by packages, you will be prompted, just as in mint or ubuntu (which in fact inherit that ability from debian)
07:00<babilen>other_nick-37: ^^^ fyi
07:00<jm_>plus some packages use other mechanisms, i.e. ucf and then it's typically handled by debconf and if your priorities for that are wrong ...
07:01<SynrG>babilen: that was a comparison only, i thought.
07:01<babilen>maybe :-/
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07:01<SynrG>babilen: he said "I usually use aptitude and never received any message. I think it always keep my config files" <- i assume you mean "in debian" other_nick-37?
07:02<other_nick-37>yes, in Debian
07:02<SynrG>because otherwise his next statement (about mint) contradicts it
07:02<petn-randall>other_nick-37: dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf
07:03<other_nick-37>ok. so for instance. if I change my /etc/ssh/ssh_config file, there's an update, my is not replaced, but if the original final (from the package) is changed, I will receive a warning?
07:03<other_nick-37>when runing aptitude update
07:03<other_nick-37>?
07:03<SynrG>not for 'update', no. that only updates your package lists
07:04<SynrG>that does not perform any upgrades
07:04<jm_>heh
07:04<other_nick-37>sorry, I meant aptitude upgrade or full-upgrade
07:04<SynrG>in that case, yes, /etc/ssh/ssh_config is a conffile owned by openssh-client
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07:05<SynrG>other_nick-37: and as petn-randall said, you can use dpkg-reconfigure to view or change debconf's behaviour
07:06<other_nick-37>ok. I just never saw that and assumed it was something from ubuntu/mint
07:06<jm_>note that openssh-server is not the same
07:06<other_nick-37>wright. Thanks ;-) I will look into debconf
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07:07<other_nick-37>jm_: you mean not the same package, or the upgrade doens't work the same way?
07:07<SynrG>/etc/ssh/sshd_config is not "owned" by any package
07:07<jm_>other_nick-37: openssh-server is an example of a package which doesn't use dpkg to handle all config files
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07:09<jm_>in particular, it doesn't use it for /etc/ssh/sshd_config as SynrG mentioned above
07:09<other_nick-37>so, changes to that file made by the package upstream, won't be reflected in my configuration?
07:09<SynrG>other_nick-37: the package does not provide this file as a file inside the package, so no.
07:10<SynrG>that being said, i'm sure the maintainers are aware of any changes that would break your config and provide for that
07:10<jm_>unless the maintainer handles it in a postinst or so (they have done it in the past), then no
07:10<other_nick-37>but that files comes with Debian. It has special configuration from Debian packager (export variables, and something else I can't remeember)
07:11<SynrG>"comes with" is a fuzzy term
07:11<SynrG>it is not contained within the package as a file
07:11<SynrG>the postinst, however, would create an initial version for you if it is needed in order to run the server.
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07:12<SynrG>and that general pattern is followed by many packages for other configuration files too
07:12<SynrG>or in some cases where no configuration file is needed to make the package work, no initial config file is provided. it is left to the user to provide one if desired.
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07:15<SynrG>other_nick-37: for deeper reading about how this works, see the debian-policy manual on configuration files.
07:15<other_nick-37>ok. I do think a more "transparent" procedure would be nicer. In gentoo you always get asked those things. On the other hand, most of the time, there no configuration file is provided to start with... (I prefer to start with a "standard" config)
07:16<other_nick-37>thnks. I will be investigating these
07:16<SynrG>i don't know what you mean by "transparent". the process is flexible. it gives the choice to the maintainer as to how they are handled.
07:16<SynrG>you think the maintainer should be robbed of that choice?
07:16<SynrG>there are good reasons to do it one way vs. the other. the maintainer is given the discretion to determine which to use.
07:17<other_nick-37>of course not. the mantainer, in my case at least, certainly knows the config and the package better than me
07:17<SynrG>perhaps you wanted an OS that imposes all its own decisions on you from some central authority?
07:17<SynrG>if so, i think you've chosen the wrong OS :)
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07:18<other_nick-37>nevertheless, if there is a change in policy of the default config, for one reason or other, I would like to know, an decide if I want to "upgrade" or mantain my own, or even the previous
07:18<other_nick-37>is all about information
07:19<SynrG>back to my earlier statement:
07:19<SynrG>08:10 < SynrG> that being said, i'm sure the maintainers are aware of any changes that would break your config and provide for
07:19<SynrG> that
07:19<SynrG>whether that is done by postinst or by the prompt/diff method is immaterial
07:19<SynrG>they both accomplish the same thing: you upgrade. your config still works.
07:20<SynrG>if you want to know what options the new package offers, that is up to you. you need to read the doc.
07:20<daemonkeeper>Does anyone know whether d-i support LACP out of the box?
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07:20<SynrG>it sometimes happens that a very important change happens that requires a decision made by you. we have NEWS.Debian for that.
07:20-!-althaser_ is now known as althaser
07:20<SynrG>install apt-listchanges
07:21<SynrG>the default behaviour is to show you NEWS.Debian and then you can learn about those important changes automatically when the package is installed instead of having to go hunt for it.
07:22<SynrG>and finally, the debconf system allows for automating performing certain kinds of config upgrades, prompting you to do that ...
07:22<SynrG>other_nick-37: so i think all the bases are covered by the current technologies available to a maintainer to use in their packages.
07:23<SynrG>to sum up: debian packages have a variety of mechanisms to a) ensure your package isn't broken by an upgrade and b) ensure you are informed about things you need to know about at the time a package is upgraded.
07:24<SynrG>failure on either of those points is grounds for you to file a bug.
07:24<other_nick-37>I think you're convincing me! There is really good information. Just one question, what is NEWS.Debian?
07:25<other_nick-37>oh, wait. is that the NEWS file apt-listchanges check?
07:26<SynrG>other_nick-37: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-news-debian
07:27<SynrG>other_nick-37: yes, apt-listchanges checks that
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07:58<other_nick-37>sorry. something crashed. Thanks for the help!
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08:00<antuan>good morning i have a question pinguy is awsome love their desktop enviroment but the boot is kinda strange
08:00<antuan>blue white lines
08:00<antuan> is that normal
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08:00<supaman>!pinguy
08:00<dpkg>PinguyOS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.pinguyos.com/ #pinguyos on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
08:01<antuan>well this is the only chat server i have
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08:03<petn-randall>antuan: It's like asking your proctologist about your tooth ache. He has no idea about the topic and will only get more annoyed the more you ask. We have no experience with PinguyOS, and we don't support it.
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08:04<supaman>antuan: do you mean you can't connect to irc.freenode.org?
08:04<antuan>well thanks for your help this was only that came by default
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08:05<supaman>antuan: find out what irc client you are using, learn to connect to new irc servers, use that knowledge to connect to irc.freenode.org and go to channel pinguyos
08:05<antuan>thanks for the tip and am new to linux i love it each and every distro out their i was a windows user since 2001
08:06<supaman>antuan: excellent, welcome aboard, hope you enjoy pinguyos :-)
08:06<Stummi>I am wondering how all the not-debian-users find the debian channel. Does the distributions based on debian ship their irc-client with this chan as default?
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08:06<jm_>apparently
08:06<antuan>just think what kind of os gives you soooo many options for freeee
08:06<Stummi>(and if yes, maybe we could ask the maintainer of this distributions to change this)
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08:07<antuan>looks alot like Mac os x
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08:10<Stummi>antuan, just type "/server irc.freenode.net" and then "/join #pinguyos"
08:10<antuan>thanks for the tip yall
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08:56<EmleyMoor>Why would my machine sometimes (for no reason I can fathom) crash when umounting a filesystem?
08:56<EmleyMoor>(I predicted, a week or so ago, that I'd be here asking that very question)
08:56<Stummi>what exactly do you men with "crash"?
08:57<Stummi>Also, which FS?
08:57<EmleyMoor>Stummi: Lock right up. An ext4 filesystem that belongs to a "normally down" VM
08:57<babilen>And why did you predict it?
08:58<EmleyMoor>Because I was having the exact same problem but someone suggested it was the VM trying to start that caused it... now I've proven that it isn't.
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09:01<EmleyMoor>What can I do to gain useful info in these types of crash?
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09:05<maxy>EmleyMoor: Is that a filesystem in a file, lvm or another partition?
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09:05<EmleyMoor>maxy: In a file
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09:05<maxy>Is that an sparse file?
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09:05<EmleyMoor>maxy: Please explain...
09:06<maxy>How did you created the file?
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09:07<EmleyMoor>qemu-img create -f qcow2 ...
09:08<EmleyMoor>Er, no...
09:08<Stummi>and how do you mount it?
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09:09<EmleyMoor>qemu-img create -f raw...
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09:10<maxy>EmleyMoor: ok, then raw is loop file, I'm not sure if it's created as a sparse file by default.
09:10<EmleyMoor>qemu-img create -f qcow2 .../qemu/testing.img /tstroot ext4 ro,loop,users,offset=1048576 00
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09:11<maxy>You lost me there, if it's a raw file you'll need to use it as a rawfile.
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09:12<EmleyMoor>maxy: So, you're telling me there might be a better way to do it?
09:12<EmleyMoor>I wouldn't know how to "use it as a rawfile" unless I already am
09:14<maxy>EmleyMoor: I don't understand your series of commands. But it makes little sense to create the file as raw and then use it as qcow2. It's another file format, of course it would be corrupted.
09:14<EmleyMoor>maxy: I'm not
09:15<EmleyMoor>I made a mistake, qcow2 doesn't enter into it
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09:17<EmleyMoor>It would surely fail to mount if I tried to do something silly like that. It's not failing to mount, it's sometimes crashing the host on umount
09:18<Kharec>hi fellows
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09:22<h3lp>ola
09:22<h3lp>WALLCHAN
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09:47<vortek>hey with the debian kfreebsd project , can i run freebsd ports collection?
09:47<undead>Hello everyone! I have a problem: Gnome 3 don't wonna work on my PC, it says that it's impossible and emergency mode will be run. I asked here yesterday about my problem, and guys says to me to install linux firmware nonfree. I do it, but still during the boot of the system there is errior about my videocard and that linux firmware nonfree is nedeed and still there is no Gnome 3 on desctop. only classic :( What's wrong?
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09:50<vortek>I read the faq and the wiki and this is not clear
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09:51<EmleyMoor>Anywhere good for fuse help? I'm wondering if I can mount filesystems using libguestfs from fstab in wheezy
09:52<devil_>undead: pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree
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09:53<undead>devil_, hhmm, it's strange, but terminal says me that there is no such program
09:54<devil_>undead: please show the output, you probably have to activate the non-free repo in your sources
09:55<undead>devil_, http://pastebin.com/vyAznCVq
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09:55<devil_>undead: yes, do what i suggested, run update aund install the package
09:55<devil_>gotta run.
09:56<undead>devil_, I'm a little noob in Linux, update what? You mean apt-get update?
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09:56<devil_>yes
09:57<devil_>but first add the source for non-free
09:57<supaman>undead: first edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to include non-free
09:57<undead>supaman, what repo I must add in sources?
09:57<devil_> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/deebian.list rather
09:58<supaman>undead: for your current deb line, just add non-free at the end, see https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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10:00<undead>supaman, devil_, Yes, it's works, thx guys
10:01<supaman>undead: if you are new to all this have this handy and read it: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html
10:01<supaman>undead: thera are translations for this manual http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference
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10:03<SpeedyG>Hi, I've got some issue that after some time in Gnome any application I start just either shows a black box, or a transparent box... google doesnt really help but perhaps I'm looking in the wrong direction, anyone got some suggestions ? It seems to be solved when I log out and back in again but comes back after a while...
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10:04<babilen>supaman: I prefer the Debian Handbook these days as the reference shows its age and is a bit, well, technical.
10:04<babilen>dpkg: tell supaman -about handbook
10:04<undead>supaman, ok, I will try! But how now I can turn onn Gnome 3 infterface, not classic?
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10:07<ooquat>there is this trick to record all the installed packages to a textfile and then replay it into a fresh system and I bet there is a bot here which can tell me more about it, isn't there?
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10:11<babilen>undead: Did you install libgl1-mesa-dri as well? Please show us your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree" on http://paste.debian.net . You might also want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html
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10:13<SpeedyG>anyone had this issue before with black windows in Gnome? it's after a clean netinstall and really anoying.... it's just that I'm not that experienced in gnome and its errors that I have no clue where to look
10:13<undead>http://pastebin.com/gTrarftA soursec, http://pastebin.com/TMfxZkEU cache
10:14<babilen>undead: http://paste.debian.net (or anything that is *not* pastebin.com) please for the next pastes ;)
10:14<babilen>ah, no .. for this please. I am not entering a captcha
10:14<babilen>(and you can put them both in the same one)
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10:15<babilen>undead: You forgot to add "contrib" as well. I would recommend using a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/46787/ (use exactly that one)
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10:17<babilen>undead: After you've changed your sources.list to the one I just pasted run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri" and paste the entire output to http://paste.debian.net. :)
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10:19<undead>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/46788/
10:20<babilen>undead: did you translate that?
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10:20<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ooquat -about aptitude clone
10:20<undead>babilen, yes, my terminal is on russian(
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10:21<babilen>dpkg: localised errors
10:21<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
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10:22<babilen>undead: You can prefix commands with "LC_ALL=C" if you want the output to be in English. You seem to have both packages installed successfully. Could you please reboot now and tell us how that went?
10:22<TobiX>ooquat: There is apt-clone now, which works reasonbly well...
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10:25<ooquat>babilen: thanks (you did already send me on this path a few weeks ago (although in a different context and i didn't know how to find back (: ))
10:25<ooquat>and apt-clone i will also look into
10:25<undead>babilen, there was no error during boot, but gnome still classic, maybe just need to do something to switch to gnome 3 interface?
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10:26<babilen>undead: Okay, mind pasting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? Then install mesa-utils and paste the output of "glxinfo" to http://paste.debian.net -- you might need a newer kernel.
10:27<babilen>undead: We essentially have to get hardware direct rendering working for Gnome3 (or you selected "fallback" in the session chooser by mistake)
10:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 611] by debhelper
10:30<undead>babilen, mesa-utils already installed.
10:30<undead>babilen, glxinfo http://paste.debian.net/46793/
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10:31<jthomas>If I use Debian Backports on D7 Wheezy, and I want to upgrade from 3.2.0-amd64 to 3.10.0-bpo-amd64, aptitude wants to remove initramfs-tools. This seems like a bad idea to me, thoughts?
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10:39<babilen>undead: That looks perfectly fine. Anything specific in ~/.xsession-errors ? Are you sure you picked "Gnome" and not the "Gnome fallback" (or something like that) at the login screen?
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10:41<babilen>dpkg: tell jthomas -about bdo kernel
10:41<babilen>jthomas: Also paste your commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net please
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10:44<undead_>babilen, what I can do now?
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10:44<jthomas>thanks, i did all that and it didn't seem to work the first time when I specified the kernel (not using the CLI magic to get it). worked this time tho :/
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10:46<conny_>hi
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10:47<conny_>if I install mesa 9.2 from experimental , should vdpau work for radeon cards?
10:47<babilen>undead_: show me ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; i'll have to leave soon though so somebody else might take over
10:47<babilen>undead_: weird
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10:48<conny_>because it does not but I have no idea whats wrong. perhaps debians mesa is compiled without VDPAU support?
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10:55<undead_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/46797/ xsession-errors, http://pastebin.com/vXA0FjbY Xorg.0.log, to large for debian paste
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10:58<babilen>undead_: thanks
10:59<babilen>undead_: okay, we definitely have some errors there. give me a second please.
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11:00<grandie>hi all, for some reason i'm having problems in auto-mounting my cd-rom, the only time my file manager even see's it is after i go cli eject -t, what's wrong with my system
11:04<babilen>undead_: It looks as if your graphic card is to new for the software in wheezy. The first thing that I would try is to upgrade the kernel to a newer version, but we might have to upgrade Xorg too. Please run "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree" and reboot. Another thing we could try is the proprietary fglrx driver, but I am not sure if you don't also need a new version of that too.
11:05<babilen>dpkg: tell undead_ -about backports
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11:12<grandie>cd-rom has same problems on both lxde and xfce desktops
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11:13<babilen>undead_: If that doesn't work you have multiple options of which I am not sure what to recommend: 1. Try the proprietary driver (fglrx) as detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary (not sure if the version in wheezy compiled against the backported kernel and if it supports your card) 2. Upgrade to jessie (development/testing release) -- This will upgrade the entire system to a development release and will almost definitely sort out ...
11:13<babilen>... *this* problem, but testing systems are harder to keep running.
11:13<babilen>dpkg: tell undead_ -about wheezy->jessie
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11:14<babilen>undead_: Also read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable to learn a bit more about this. This is *not* a setup I would recommend for a person new to Linux though, but it should be "reasonably easy to use" .. but then you are pretty new :-/
11:14<undead_>babilen, thank you for everything
11:15<babilen>undead_: So: try the backported kernel first 2. Give fglrx a try, 3. consider running jessie (testing)
11:15<babilen>undead_: Sorry for this, but your hardware is just a little bit too new to be supported out of the box. I sincerely apologise for that.
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11:21<undead>babilen, first dosnt works. now I will try second. for future, how I can update to jessie?
11:22<undead>babilen, oh, I see your link now
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11:23<babilen>dpkg: wheezy->jessie
11:23<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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11:25<babilen>undead: You would essentially use a sources.list such as https://paste.debian.net/46800/ run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade"
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11:26<undead>babilen, thx very much, I understand
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11:27<babilen>undead: I am personally not too fond of fglrx and am neither sure if the fglrx version in wheezy supports your card or compiles fine against the backported 3.10 kernel you have installed right now.
11:28<babilen>undead: Personally I would be happier with jessie, but you might run into problems later on when bugs make it there or packages are removed/uninstallable for a while.
11:28<gsimmons>babilen: You're right, fglrx-driver 1:12-6+point-3 (wheezy) won't work with the bpo kernel (it received Linux 3.10 support at version 1:13.4-3).
11:29<babilen>gsimmons: Thanks for confirming that
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11:29<undead>aaam, I'm already installing it right now....
11:30<undead>Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
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11:31<babilen>gsimmons: Do you, by chance, know if the fglrx version in wheezy support undead's GPU (1002:6819, Radeon HD 7850) ?
11:32<babilen>undead: It wouldn't have compiled it anyway
11:32<babilen>okay, time to go
11:32<undead>goodbye
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11:37<gsimmons>babilen, undead: Wheezy's fglrx version should support this device; the AMD Catalyst 12.6 release notes state compatibility with the 7800 Series.
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11:39<undead>gsimmons, omg -_- I'm upgrading too jiessie as thay says me now
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11:39<vortek>whats a good security hardning tool for debian?
11:39<babilen>undead: really? that wasn't what I suggested ...
11:40<retrospectacus>vortek: user education
11:40<vortek>hehe
11:40<babilen>undead: Well, enjoy the ride, but keep in mind that you can get your GPU running by installing the fglrx driver on wheezy. You would (without the upgrade) simply have to boot into the 3.2 kernel and then remove the 3.10 kernel.
11:40<vortek>i mean like bastile or something like that>?
11:41<babilen>undead: If you are still downloading you can interrupt that upgrade with "CTRL-C" if you want to. (do *not* interrupt the upgrade if packages are already being isntalled/unpacked/...)
11:41<retrospectacus>vortek: why do you think you need anything like that?
11:41<undead>babilen, I'm dissapointed -_- Will jessie solve my problem? Or better to get Wheezy's fglrx
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11:41<babilen>undead: It depends on what you want as well, but stable + fglrx strikes me as the better solution for you.
11:42<undead>babilen, as I have Windows and Debian just for training\programming - I'm not feared in unstable version
11:42<babilen>alright
11:42<vortek>becuase im trying to make my debian box secure as heck
11:42<babilen>undead: Then off you go!
11:42<retrospectacus>vortek: it comes that way
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11:43<vortek>retrospectacus, but there are remote exploits everynow and then i wantto secure my system against them
11:43<vortek>im a home user so i need no ports open
11:43<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell vortek about security
11:44<babilen>undead: You still have to sort out fglrx. You should, in particular, install the "linux-headers-amd64" package once you are done so that you are able to compile the fglrx module for your currently running kernel too. (3.10 that is)
11:44<babilen>dpkg: tell undead -about microcode
11:44<babilen>undead: Good luck and until later! :)
11:44<retrospectacus>vortek: the robot told you about the security updates debian stable receives as usual. It does come installed with this enabled
11:44<vortek>k tahnxs
11:45<retrospectacus>vortek: there are no ports open unless you install services on them. Even then, your router will take care of that
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11:45<vortek>i have no router
11:45<vortek>:(
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11:45<retrospectacus>vortek: if you are so interested in security you should get one.
11:46<retrospectacus>then potential attackers will encounter it instead of your workstation
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11:46<vortek>yeah good idea retrospectacus
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12:09<vortek>i got to go to the ermergency room bbl
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12:11<czytacz>hi, could you give me advice on choosing the best window manager for my need? I want to launch a web browser in kiosk mode and nothing else. What I want is to display the browser in fullscreen mode. No frames etc. I don't need any DE, cause only thing that will be launched is the browser
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12:14<retrospectacus>!kiosk
12:14<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kiosk is /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/
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12:15<retrospectacus>hmm
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12:18<retrospectacus>czytacz: you probably don't need any window manager
12:18<czytacz>retrospectacus
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12:18<retrospectacus>czytacz: the factoid is cryptic and seems old but that's an idea
12:18<czytacz>retrospectacus: so only xorg will suffice?
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12:20<retrospectacus>yes
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12:22<Cristian>hello im testing postfix 2.9.6 +mysql backend + dovecot 2.1 i can send mails, but these mails cannot be saved to Sent folder, im receiving this error:
12:22<Cristian>ermission denied (euid=5000(vmail) egid=5000(vmail) missing +r perm: /var/run/dovecot/dict, dir owned by 0:0 mode=0755)
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12:23<retrospectacus>Cristian: so fix that?
12:23<Cristian>this are my dovecot settings: http://paste.debian.net/46810/
12:24<Cristian>i cannot store mails in Sent folder
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12:24<Cristian>how can i fix this error: Error: net_connect_unix(/var/run/dovecot/dict) failed: Permission denied (euid=5000(vmail) egid=5000(vmail) missing +r perm: /var/run/dovecot/dict, dir owned by 0:0 mode=0755)
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12:25<Cristian>please help me retrospectacus
12:25<retrospectacus>Cristian: chown vmail:vmail /var/run/dovecot/dict
12:26<retrospectacus>would be my guess, according to your error, knowing nothing about dovecot
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12:26<Cristian>i was made this change, but when i restart the service the file change permisions too
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12:26<retrospectacus>Cristian: how about chmod 777 /var/run/dovecot/dict
12:27<Cristian>let me try
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12:31<cristiancv>that not works, when i restart the service the file change to original permisions
12:31<cristiancv> 0 srw------- 1 root root 0 sep 27 11:11 /var/run/dovecot/dict
12:33<retrospectacus>cristiancv: I would ask the dovecot channel: #dovecot on irc.freenode.net
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12:33<cristiancv>ok, thanks!
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12:34<retrospectacus>czytacz3: do you understand the kiosk factoid?
12:36<czytacz3>not really, to be honest
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12:36<czytacz3>was just searching the web what you have in mind
12:38<retrospectacus>it says to make a user called "kiosk"; create a file /usr/sbin/kiosk with content '/bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk' ; add "kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk" to /etc/inittab
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12:39<retrospectacus>and you would want to put a web browser application into kiosk's ~/.xsession file
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12:46<retrospectacus>czytacz4: did you catch that
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12:47<czytacz5>im gonna kill my provider... :(
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12:48<czytacz5>retrospectacus: okay, if I understand correctly, theese lines will make xorg launch for user after he logs in, right?
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12:59<retrospectacus>czytacz6: no, it will launch immediately when the pc boots
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13:17<czytacz6>retrospectacus: and with user kiosk as default one?
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13:19<retrospectacus>czytacz6: when the pc boots, /usr/sbin/kiosk will run (as root) - that will run "startx" as kiosk, which will start X and run kiosk's .xsession
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13:46<czytacz6>retrospectacus: ok, ill try sth like that
13:47<czytacz6>thanks
13:47<retrospectacus>sure
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14:16<luckyuser>i like debian.
14:17<luckyuser>i think they took ubuntu and cut out all childish menu and wallpaper colors
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14:17<retrospectacus>luckyuser: actually, ubuntu took debian and added all those.
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14:19<luckyuser>retrospectacus, i know :)
14:21<luckyuser>i wanted to provoke little bit
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14:24<wazdra>hey, i have a little issue…I'm trying to install a little software on my computer (debian wheezy), it's on git. I can't get to compile it, I guess because it needs dependencies. There is a ppa, but it's not made for debian (it's made for lucid ubuntu). I tried to add it anyway, and it's not finding anything because it's searching in /lucid/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/main/sources
14:25<wazdra>can i do something ?
14:25<wazdra>(and if someone knows the way to install the program, it's called osqoop)
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14:28<retrospectacus>wazdra: forget the ppa; you should (might) be able to compile it. Put your attempt on http://paste.debian.net for us to look at
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15:42<wazdra> sry retrospectacus i had to go eat --' so here it goes : paste.debian.net/46844
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15:44<retrospectacus>wazdra: install build-essential
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15:44<wazdra>ok, ty ^^ I don't understand, shouldn't it be installed from beginning ?
15:45<retrospectacus>what beginning?
15:45<retrospectacus>it's only installed if you install it
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15:46<retrospectacus>you should also install libqt4-dev
15:46<wazdra>yeah, i thought this was missing, but apt get install qt4 didn't work :p Well, it's called essential xD
15:47<retrospectacus>wazdra: it's only building essentials
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15:54<wazdra>now it's only the last command that doesn't work…when i do cd ../target && bin/osqoop, it doesn't work. I guess there's a typo, but i don't know what it could be...
15:56<retrospectacus>&& is a construct that goes between two commands; the second will only be run if the first succeeds
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15:56<wazdra>the first did succeed. The second one doesn't (bash : bin : no such file or folder)
15:57<retrospectacus>try ls bin
15:57<retrospectacus>or cd bin
15:58<retrospectacus>or whatever. pretty basic stuff, no?
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15:58<wazdra>no…the folder is empty...
15:58<retrospectacus>then "make install" failed
15:58<retrospectacus>or make
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16:00<wazdra>found it : X11/extensions/XTest.h : no such file or directory
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16:00<retrospectacus>install libxtst-dev
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16:03<wazdra>ok, the compilation worked great
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16:05<wazdra>but now, i have another problem…there's an issue with OSS and ALSA. it's telling me to use aoss osqoop…But i don't have aoss, and it's not a package i have…
16:05<retrospectacus>you don't need that.
16:06<retrospectacus>oh maybe you do. it's in the alsa-oss package
16:07<wazdra>ok, thank you ^^
16:07<wazdra>(it's not working without it
16:07<wazdra>)
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16:08<retrospectacus>what is this thing for anyways
16:08<wazdra>it's an oscilloscope ^^
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16:10<retrospectacus>ok? just for fun?
16:11<wazdra>no, i need it for a physics exposé (don't know how that's said in english) : i'm gonna plug my synth into it, and show the effects of modulation, noise etc...
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16:13<wazdra>but i'm stupid, i need to do all this again, that's the stable version, and it doesn't includes Fournier's decomposition
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16:13<retrospectacus>did you check out xoscope - it is in the debian repositories
16:14<wazdra>yeah, but didn't work cuz of aoss, and i thought maybe this one didn't need aoss (but actually it did >_<)
16:15<wazdra>and it's still not working ! (while osqoop did)
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16:16<retrospectacus>the advantage of xoscope is it's in the repositories so you don't need to compile, and all dependencies are fetched automatically
16:16<retrospectacus>wazdra: I don't see a dependency for the "aoss" command on xoscope
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16:17<wazdra>there's not, but there's a big story i didn't get about old and new sound interface. It needs or aoss, or pdsam, and none of them did work
16:18<wazdra>(and it doesn't work when i pick sound card in devices)
16:18<retrospectacus>talking about xoscope now?
16:19<wazdra>yes
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16:27<wazdra>retrospectacus: how did u get to learn so much things about debian ? I mean, you know how to do EVERYTHING i asked, that's unbelievable…
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16:30<retrospectacus>wazdra: by hanging around here
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16:31<retrospectacus>and using Debian on all my computers, all the time
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16:40<wazdra>Well, i'm gonna need you're help…AGAIN ! x) I have another issue : my computer has only one jack plug : for input and output. I guess Windows gets it, but Debian doesn't : in sound settings, when i put my synth in the jack plug, the computer doesn't get the sound, and when i try to make sound with the computer, it detects headphones and try to get it into the synth x) Any idea ? ^^
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16:46<retrospectacus>wazdra: I believe you can use "amixer" to mess with that sort of thing (man amixer)
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16:48<wazdra>yes !
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16:51<wazdra>actually, i don't get how to…It seems to only be able to modify the intensity level of the output/input...
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17:02<retrospectacus>wazdra: there should be a "switch" available to toggle that jack function
17:04<wazdra>yeah, i guess, but in amixer, there are some things i can get to change, but these are master volume, master pitch, volume and pitch, or master output, and master capture. And for the last 2, i can only change dB and stuff…btw, i noticed there is something getting wrong with PulseAudio every time I boot, (orange line instead of green, I don't know if you see what i mean) I never got the time to read...
17:05<retrospectacus>it probably says "configured for per-user something" , it's ok
17:05<retrospectacus>you should be able to hit space bar to toggle things in amixer
17:06<retrospectacus>alsamixer I mean
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17:06<wazdra>ok x) i didn't get it, cuz amixer isn't graphical pp
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17:14<wazdra>can't get it to work :(
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17:15<N580-Noob>does anyone know if there is a skype app or if the pidgin plugin is it?
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17:15<supaman>!skype
17:15<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64>, <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
17:15<jspiros>This isn't exactly Debian related, but I am using Debian so I'm not really sure where to ask about this...
17:15<jspiros>I have lightdm installed, so on boot it takes over vt7 for :0
17:16<jspiros>I also have an init script that uses xinit to start a second server on vt8 for :1
17:16<N580-Noob>supaman, thanks.
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17:16<jspiros>When lightdm starts, the console switches to vt7 automatically, but then when the xinit script runs for :1, the console stays on vt7 and I have to manually switch to vt8
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17:16<jspiros>Does anyone have any guidance on how to have it switch to vt8 from vt7 automatically when xinit is run?
17:17<jspiros>I've checked a bunch of docs and manpages and googled and I'm probably not searching for the right terms or something...
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17:20<retrospectacus>jspiros: why don't you just stop lightdm from starting?
17:20<jspiros>retrospectacus: I want them both running
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17:23<jspiros>retrospectacus: basically the xinit for :1 is for xbmc on my HTPC
17:23<jspiros>retrospectacus: I like being able to switch to lightdm if I need to do real computing on the same box
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17:24<N580-Noob>supaman, the free and secure alternatives are the preferred plan at this point. will you help me with some getting started questions? (i.e.: can any of these be used to talk to someone using skype?)
17:25<supaman>N580-Noob: sorry, my knowledge stoppes there
17:25<retrospectacus>jspiros: I see; how are you starting xbmc? I think putting it in inittab might work for you
17:26<N580-Noob>ok, any FAQs on the subject you know of?
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17:26<supaman>N580-Noob: nope
17:26<N580-Noob>ok thanks
17:26<jspiros>retrospectacus: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_for_Linux#Add_a_new_init_script basically that init script, except I use :1 instead of :0
17:27<jspiros>retrospectacus: I could do inittab, but it feels much less elegant than an init script with start-stop-daemon...
17:27<retrospectacus>how about putting xbmc on :0 and lightdm on :1
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17:28<SamB>it does need a VT though doesn't it?
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17:28<jspiros>yeah, I'd be fine with that, figured that would have to be my backup plan
17:29<jspiros>SamB: it creates one; at least, when it's all running I can ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8 to switch between them
17:29<jspiros>I just don't understand what mechanism causes lightdm to automatically switch from vt1 to vt7 upon boot, but not xinit
17:30<SamB>yeah, usually when you start a VT-needing program outside of any VT it does grab a fresh one
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17:33<wazdra>well, retropectatus, thank you for your help, but I didn't get it to work today, i'll try again one of these days ^^
17:33<retrospectacus>wazdra: sure. good luck!
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17:33<SamB>jspiros: do you know about chvt? not sure that will help, but ...
17:33<retrospectacus>maybe forcing xbmc or lightdm to start before/after the other would solve it jspiros
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17:34<jspiros>retrospectacus: yeah, right now I force xbmc to start after lightdm
17:34<jspiros>retrospectacus: my guess is that starting xbmc first will work
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17:38<supaman>where can I find documentation on how to build a netboot install?
17:38<supaman>note, its netboot, not netinstall
17:39<retrospectacus>!netboot
17:39<dpkg>i heard netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. http://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall - not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst>. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>.
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17:40<supaman>yeh, the problem with current netboot images is that none of them are for hurd ;-)
17:41<N580-Noob>supaman, ekiga is a H.323 (netmeeting) gateway and sip phone, linphone is a sip phone, empathy is for Gnome (not sure what it does), and jitsi has no debian packages according to apper so i don't know what it does either.
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17:42<N580-Noob>hurd?! <gags>
17:42<supaman>N580-Noob: yeh, like I said, I dont know much about all this
17:43<N580-Noob>well they are certainly better alternatives
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17:44<jspiros>my admittedly baseless intuition is that it's not so much that xinit isn't trying to do the switch automatically, but that the first xserver has some sort of hold on the console that's "stronger" than a normal getty tty
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17:45<N580-Noob>depending on the sip server you can ssl encrypt the connection to the server. some are even free (computer to computer). others charge a fee for ability to call landlines and cell phones (about ~$7 to ~$25 ish depending on service)
17:45<vortek>weres the bookmarks file stored on the default browser for debian?
17:45<N580-Noob>*lots* of people dropping landline phones for this sorta thing
17:46<jspiros>SamB: looks like chvt might help :)
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17:47<vortek>?
17:47<SamB>default browser?
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17:47<vortek>iceweasel bookmarks file were is it stored
17:47<vortek>? :)
17:48<jspiros>oh, I think I know what's going on, I think it's because my xbmc startup script is running xinit as a normal user, not root, whereas lightdm is running as root, at least its X server is
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17:48<jspiros>and the normal user doesn't have access to some console device or something
17:49<supaman>isn't it under $HOME/.mozilla/firefox ?
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17:54<mtn>it is the same as firefox, so .mozilla it is
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17:57<vortek>supaman, nope
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17:58<vortek>were is it at?
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18:02<tvman1>hello anyone see me
18:03<retrospectacus>tvman1: no, I don't watch TV
18:03*N580-Noob looks thru the invisible tvman1
18:03<tvman1>Funny Ha HA
18:04<tvman1>I just downloaded this & haven't used it before
18:04<retrospectacus>!irc tutorial
18:04<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
18:05<N580-Noob>that's a great site
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18:06<N580-Noob>i'm a noob to Debian but i been on irc since '96
18:07<vortek>i cant find my boookmarks file for nothing can someone please help me? im using iceweasel
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18:08<N580-Noob>btw i bought the E431-i5, haven't got a shipping date yet. i will soon be permanently switched to Debian
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18:08<mtn>vortek: go to your bookmarks in firefox, choose export, I believe it is.
18:08<mtn>vortek: iceweasel, excuse my error. :)
18:08<vortek>icceweasel is what im using
18:08<vortek>k
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18:10<vortek>got it
18:10<vortek>thanxs
18:11*wazdra is hitting his head against physics book. Should do math/info T_T
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18:12<vortek>one more dump question were does enlightenment store its background image?
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18:22<luli317>hola
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19:33<N580-Noob>does anyone know a good usb wi-fi adapter to use with wheezy?
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19:35<retrospectacus>any one should work
19:37<N580-Noob>without special proprietary drivers. i mean i want something that will use a driver already built in to wheezy. i haven't bought anything yet s i thought i'd ask for recomendations based on the debian users' experiences here
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19:37<N580-Noob>s=so
19:37<N580-Noob>i want it to just work
19:38<N580-Noob>it also needs to fit in a laptop bag if possible so small is good, but also needs good range
19:39<retrospectacus>your laptop doesn't have wireless?
19:39<N580-Noob>no
19:39<N580-Noob>this is why i want a usb wi-fi
19:39<retrospectacus>rough times
19:40<N580-Noob>come-on i can't possibly be the only human on the planet running wheezy and needing a usb wi-fi dongle
19:41<retrospectacus>N580-Noob: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi recommends Atheros
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19:44<N580-Noob>thanks!! Atheros AR9170 <--- that's what i needed to know
19:45<retrospectacus>thing is, I don't think it will say on the package what chip is in a device
19:46<retrospectacus>I could be wrong there though, haven't purchased one myself
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19:48<chalz>just buy from a place with a good return policy
19:49<N580-Noob>there is a list at the bottom of the page you linked
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19:49<N580-Noob>tells chipset and model name
19:50<N580-Noob>exactly what i needed
19:50<retrospectacus>reading all the way to the bottom - I'm impressed
19:50<N580-Noob>i can't thank you enough
19:50<N580-Noob>i usually do
19:51<retrospectacus>:) many don't
19:51<N580-Noob>i'm a tech, i'm just new to debian, that said i am an old unix hand so i am picking this stuff up. i'm just old and slow
19:51<N580-Noob>give my brain time to catch up
19:51<N580-Noob>:P
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19:52<N580-Noob>AR9170USB well that was hard :D
19:53<N580-Noob>model named after chipset .... nice
19:53<N580-Noob>now for amazon ...
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19:55<N580-Noob>ut oh :/
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19:57<SamB>can't get them anymore?
19:57<N580-Noob>well .... check this out https://wiki.debian.org/ar9170usb
19:58<N580-Noob>http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-WN821N-Wireless-N-802-11b-Wireless/dp/B002D5EIT4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380326023&sr=8-1&keywords=ar9170usb <--- this is the only one?
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19:59<N580-Noob>acording to debian only v2 of that is supported. how does one tell?
19:59<N580-Noob>if v1 or v2?
20:00<N580-Noob>yes, military attention to detail. don't let your heart fail in shock! ;P
20:01<N580-Noob>i mean to get this right the first time
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20:03<N580-Noob>PLANEX GWUS300 "currently unavailable"
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20:08<squisher>N580-Noob, I was curious but I got to get back to the kitchen... http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=linux&Description=usb%20wireless%20adapter&page=1&bop=And&cm_sp=KeywordRelated-_-usb_wifi_adapter-_-usb%20wireless%20adapter&Order=RATING&PageSize=20
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20:13<squisher>N580-Noob, for http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833210002 the product listing even says linux support is there -- but other than that I know nothing about it
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20:16<squisher>it's interesting what google comes up with sometimes... http://wikidevi.com/wiki/Patriot_Memory_PCBOWAU2-N
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20:25<N580-Noob>there's like 4 versions of TP-Link TL-WN821N and only version 2.0 has the ar9170usb chipset
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20:34<N580-Noob>i was hoping to avoid realtek
20:34<N580-Noob>ok what about bluetooth?
20:35<abrotman>what about it?
20:37<N580-Noob>nm, just discovered there is a #Debian-bluetooth
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20:38<N580-Noob>and noone is home there
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20:38<N580-Noob>so ixnay the nm :/
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20:39<N580-Noob>um, i guess i need to know what usb bluetooth to choose for troublefree debian use
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20:39<N580-Noob>at least version 2.1 but hopefully version 4.0
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