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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-29

---Logopened Sun Sep 29 00:00:41 2013
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00:04<alumno>your use debian?
00:05<lxd>alumno, : yes
00:07<alumno>where are you lxd?
00:07<lxd>alumno: Debian with xfce4
00:07<lxd>alumno: cn
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00:07<alumno>you know O.S. of conectar igualdad of argentina lxd?
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00:08*SamB has no idea what alumno is asking
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00:12<lxd>alumno: no
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00:45<shadowpho>Hi guys! Can someone help me? I accidenlty parted my LVM and then removed grub. How can I recover? I currently am sitting in front of graphical recovery screen
00:46<Nemoder>!fixmbr
00:46<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
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00:47<shadowpho>thank you, @Nemoder ! glad it works for EFI, I will do that right now!
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01:03<shadowpho>'can't execute 'bin/sh': no such file or directory' when I run chroot /target
01:03<shadowpho>ls /target has a couple folder in it "grub, proc, sysfs, dev, initrd.image, etc"
01:03<shadowpho>is that what we expect to have?
01:06<shadowpho>maybe I should unmount /dev/sda2 and try /sda3?
01:06<shadowpho>I think sda2 has grub because of the grub folder... and sda3 proibably has the LVM stuff?
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01:13<shadowpho>!supergrub
01:13<dpkg>Super Grub Disk and Super Grub2 Disk are forks of <GRUB Legacy> and <GRUB2> respectively, which can be used to repair existing GNU GRUB installations. http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ See also <fixmbr>.
01:15<SamB>shadowpho: you should probably unmount everything under /target, then keep trying until you find your rootfs, then look at the fstab and go from there
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01:27<shadowpho>SamB: thank you.
01:28<shadowpho>It seems I only have 1 ext2 partition
01:28<shadowpho>rest is LVM
01:28<shadowpho>I will download supergrub 2 and try with that
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01:29<SamB>shadowpho: can't you mount your LVM partitions from there?
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01:30<shadowpho>SamB: I don't think it's working
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01:30<shadowpho>only /dev/sda2 wants to mount under ext2
01:30<shadowpho>Everything else [sda3, sda1] throws errors
01:30<SamB>I assume LVM calls it's devices something else
01:31<shadowpho>I have a picture of my parted print if that helps?
01:34<stderr>LVM has Physical Volumes (PVs). Those are normally partitions. From PVs you make Volume Groups (VGs). You can think of VGs as "hard disks". In VGs you make Logical Volumes (LVs) and you can think of those as "partitions".
01:34<shadowpho>stderr: http://i.imgur.com/RZV7RzD.jpg
01:35<shadowpho>how can I extract the LVs from the LVM?
01:35<stderr>A typical LV would be called /dev/mapper/VG-LV, where VG is the name of the Volume Group and LV is the name of the Logical Volume in that VG.
01:35<shadowpho>ah!
01:35<stderr>pvscan to find the physical volumes.
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01:36<stderr>After that you run vgscan to find your volume groups. And the lvscan to find your logical volumes.
01:38<stderr>s/And the/And then/
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01:40<shadowpho>thank you, stderr!
01:41<shadowpho>it seems the name is /dev/bigserver1-vg/root
01:41<stderr>No problem.
01:42<stderr>In that case your VG is called "bigserver1-vg" and the LV is "root".
01:44<shadowpho>however, mount fails. Both with -ext2, -ext3 or no options
01:44<shadowpho>LV status is "suspended"
01:44<shadowpho>[under lvdisplay]
01:46<stderr>lvchange -a y /dev/bigserver1-vg/root might work.
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01:49<shadowpho>resume ioctl failed....
01:49<shadowpho>I think I will just re-install by this point :)
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01:49<shadowpho>thank you for the help though!
01:50<stderr>lvchange --sysinit /dev/bigserver1-vg/root ?
01:50<stderr>But yeah, if you don't have anything important on that disk...
01:52<shadowpho>did't work sadly
01:52<shadowpho>Nothing, I really inmstalled just two days ago :)
01:53<stderr>Well... Lot's of stuff can happen in two days. :-)
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02:14<shadowpho>true! but I dfidn't really boot it at the time :)
02:14<shadowpho>half done with reinstallation... without LVM this time
02:15<shadowpho>Should I use xen or kvm? [minecraft server + mumble in one, htpc in other]
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02:53<shadowpho>Quick question -- is it possible to monitor install from SSH for debian?
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02:59<shadowpho>thanks for all the help earlier :)
02:59<TCW>shadowpho, d-i offers an option to continue the installation via ssh from a very early point on. Just select the expert option and load the ssh installer udeb
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03:32<Oishi>After upgrading from debian squeeze to wheezy, I'm unable to access or ping my router, needless to say i cannot access the internet either. WICD says i'm connected to my wireless network and assigns me the correct IP i have set on reserve in the router. Any thoughts?
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03:33<Oishi>here's some information to go with it: http://pastebin.com/UWCMyVTc
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03:41<ompaul>Oishi: have you restarted both the router and the machine>?
03:41<Oishi>yep
03:41<ompaul>Oishi: have you a cable to hand
03:42<ompaul>plug in and work it out - did you miss some firmware - not from the look of the commands
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03:42<ompaul>is the password correct
03:42<Oishi>yeah i even disabled the encryption
03:42<Oishi>to test
03:42<Oishi>and i still had the same issue
03:43<ompaul>throw a cable into the computer and router and you may be able to see something you missed
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03:43<Oishi>i was hoping it didnt have to come to that
03:43<Oishi>as i have my computer in a rather inconvienient location to move it and cable it up
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03:43<Oishi>lol
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03:43<ompaul>Oishi: bring the router to it ...
03:43<ompaul>at least you can look inside
03:44<Oishi>i'll have to do it later, i have people on the network right now and i dont want to kick them off
03:44<Oishi>cause i'll have to unplug the router and stuff
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03:44<ompaul> Encryption key:on
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03:58<kgolf64>Hi! I'm working on my homemade webserver running Debian 6. I have to copy and/or overwrite some files and directories into a directory via shell. I want to use cp command as root. How to tell cp does not ask me anythigs?
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04:00<mongrol>man cp
04:01<kgolf64>In man cp I read the -f option. It doesn't work!
04:01<mongrol>what doesn't work about it?
04:02<kgolf64>if I use cp -af, cp aks me to overwrite. I don't want it.
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04:03<mongrol>hmm
04:04<TCW>mongrol, are those files read-only?
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04:05<kgolf64>hmm = ? I suppose that I'm in mistake... :)
04:05<TCW>kgolf64, err... yes
04:05<kgolf64>ok! and now?
04:05<TCW>kgolf64, show the permissions of a file where you get asked if you want to overwrite it
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04:06<TCW>as in "ls -l /path/to/file"
04:06<kgolf64>permissions of orig and dest are both root.
04:06<TCW>kgolf64, that is the OWNER but not the permissions
04:07<kgolf64>ops... it's true!
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04:07<TCW>kgolf64, just do what I told you, ls -l on a file and paste everything but the name of the file (possibly sensitive data)
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04:08<kgolf64>files are 600 permission
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04:08<TCW>would you be so kind and just paste?
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04:09<kgolf64>no... files are 644 permission
04:09<TCW>.oO( ... )
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04:09<kgolf64>no... files are 644 permission ( -rw-r--r-- )
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04:11<TCW>adrastea:~# touch test1
04:11<TCW>adrastea:~# touch test2
04:11<TCW>adrastea:~# cp test1 test2
04:11<TCW>ANd that works without any questions asked
04:12<TCW>at least here
04:12<TCW>and that is how cp works in general
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04:12<TCW>the same goes for mv
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04:13<kgolf64>on my shell, cp test1 test2 ask me yes or no...
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04:14<TCW>kgolf64, well... is there anything special about your system? What exact distro and version is it? Maybe SELinux or grsecurity or whatever out of the ordinary used?
04:14<TCW>what shell do you use?
04:15<kgolf64>I'm runnign on Squeeze Debian. uname -a= Linux lampdebian6-64 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 00:26:11 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:15<kgolf64>bash shell
04:15<kgolf64>bash shell (default)
04:16<TCW>well... no idea if with squeeze it was different
04:16<kgolf64>thanks anyway!
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04:18<kgolf64>I'll try to do it via ftp... thanks!!
04:21<kgolf64>bye!!
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05:38<k-man_>i've got this weird problem with lirc. on one debian machine, lirc works fine, detects the key presses from my remote. on another debian box, i get nothing out of /dev/lirc0, even if i cat the raw device
05:38<k-man_>I don't know where to look to diagnose
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05:42<mongrol> lspci
05:42<mongrol>dmesg
05:43<k-man_>mongrol, the device appears on both machines, as something like /dev/input/by-id/usb-TopSeed_Technology_Corp._eHome_Infrared_Transceiver_TS004QI6-event-if00
05:43<k-man_>but when i cat the device on the non working machine, i get nothing - cat it on the other machine and it outputs garbage when the IR keys are presses
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05:45<mongrol>is the same driver set in /etc/lircd.conf?
05:46<mongrol>is lircd even started?
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05:49<k-man_>but even before lirc is running, i should at least get output from the raw device
05:49<k-man_>i just discovered something about how the kernel doesn't work well with lirc and usb3 ports. I tried it in a usb2 port and now i at least get data from the device
05:49<mongrol>ah
05:49<k-man_>still nothing on /dev/lirc0 though
05:49<mongrol>good to know
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06:02<k-man_>ah, got it working
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06:15<jason>Trying to repartition an a microSD card via the SD port on my laptop running wheezy, but gparted keeps getting stuck "applying changes," then stuck scanning after canceling. Any thoughts what's tripping it up? (so far, rebooting is about the only way to take another shot at it)
06:16<SynrG>bad blocks?
06:16<SynrG>what does dmesg say?
06:17<jason>maybe. I had previously pulled all the files off the card (from my android phone), and successfully reformated the whole thing as FAT32.
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06:18<SynrG>that doesn't necessarily exercise the disk thoroughly
06:18<jason> [from dmesg] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 10489848
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06:19<SynrG>yeah, bad blocks
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06:20<jason>there are *several* sectors listed in dmesg, interspersed with a "Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt." message
06:21<SynrG>get a new card
06:21<jason>does this mean the whole thing is toast, or what? I thought bad blocks were supposed to be automatically remapped on an SD card...
06:21<SynrG>to a point
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06:22<SynrG>it's toast imho
06:22<jason>can I use fsck or something to try and check/fix it first? (before tossing it)
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06:24<SynrG>once a device begins to fail you haven't much time left
06:24<jason>and I just double checked; it's a SanDisk brand card, that I've only been using for a few months. kinda surprised to have it crap out so soon (thought that was one of the better brands).
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06:25<jason>well, guess I'm lucky to have gotten the files off then
06:25<SynrG>warranty?
06:25<SynrG>hmmm
06:26<jason>ya, suppose I'll have to check on that. such fun, lol.
06:26<SynrG>dirty contacts?
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06:26<SynrG>do other cards work in the same reader?
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06:28<jason>actually, I had the same problem with another card as well (SanDisk 1GB)
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06:29<SynrG>hmmm
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06:29<jason>wait, I just noticed something... the rightmost pin (contact side up) is split down the middle, with a gap in it. is that supposed to be there?
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06:30<SynrG>try it in another reader?
06:30<jason>would if I had one. the only other alternative is to use the phone itself, but I haven't had much luck accessing the SD card as a mass storage device.
06:31<jason>(from what I've read, the LG Optimus G doesn't support it)
06:31<SynrG>that split is normal i think
06:31<SynrG>it is there on this add card anyway
06:32<SynrG>sd
06:32<jason>ok, plan B.
06:32<jason>cool, thanks for checking.
06:32<SynrG>stupid autocorrect
06:33<SynrG>could be the reader itself if you had problems on two cards
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06:33<SynrG>maybe some contacts that aren't making full contact ...
06:34<SynrG>you could try testing the card and see if the bad spots are always in the same place
06:34<jason>I managed to flash a nightly build of cyanogenmod onto my phone, and have wheezy with gnome on my laptop. any idea how to access files on the phone?
06:34<SynrG>if it is, it is most likely the card is bad
06:34<SynrG>if they seem to happen at random places each time, i would suspect the contacts
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06:35<jason>I'll have to try messing with the card reader later (you could be quite right), but right now I'd like to access the card so I can finish trying to put debian on it in a chroot environment.
06:36<jason>how, exactly do I "test the card?" fsck?
06:36<SynrG>good luck
06:36<SynrG>mke2fs -c i think
06:36<SynrG>bafblocks check
06:36<SynrG>bad*
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06:45<jason>ugh, I think this is going to take awhile to figure out. thanks for your help though SynrG, at least I have a couple good options to look at before calling the card dead (and having to mess with a warranty replacement).
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06:45<SynrG>ya
06:45<SynrG>best of luck
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06:46<jason>thx
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07:01<Kharec>merci :)
07:01<Kharec>oops
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07:08<EmleyMoor>If my testing VM's filesystems mount at next boot, I have overcome my problem with umounts crashing the system - by changing the way of mounting
07:09<blackout>hi I have re-installed 7.1 yesterday and updated some packages, I got <username> is not in sudoers, I added my user and now it works, but in the top right corner in the menu the shutdown has disappeared(no problem I can shutdown via terminal), but how come? has someone got the same problem as me?
07:09<EmleyMoor>blackout: Is there any similar option there?
07:11<EmleyMoor>(or does it stop at "Log out"?)
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07:14<blackout>I have suspend, log out , lock screen, settings but no shutdown (reboot)
07:14<EmleyMoor>Hmmm...
07:14<blackout>it stops at suspend
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07:15<EmleyMoor>blackout: Pressing a modifier key doesn't change it, does it?
07:16<blackout>http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshotfrom2013-09-29131516.php
07:17<SynrG>hold alt key
07:17<blackout>yeah
07:17<blackout>thy
07:17<blackout>how come?
07:18<blackout>feeling like a n00b
07:18<ramon>hello guys
07:18<ramon>have u tried the new gnome 13.10?
07:18<SynrG>gnome3 designers decision
07:18*SynrG shrugs
07:18<blackout>thanks a lot
07:19<EmleyMoor>I have "Frippery Shut Down Menu Extension" enabled on mine... that gives "Shut Down..." which leads to a dialog to choose what to do
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07:20<SynrG>there are several extensions that do it in different ways
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07:21<SynrG>where 'it' is make shutdown more obvious
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07:21<EmleyMoor>SynrG: Yes, I tried several then settled on that one
07:24<ramon>hello guys im using now pinguy os 13.04
07:25<ramon>how to pud network indicator, downtime and uptime
07:25<ramon>i dont like in the wall floating in the wallpaper.
07:26<ramon>do u have any idea?
07:26<Apollo>!pinguy
07:26<dpkg>PinguyOS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.pinguyos.com/ #pinguyos on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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07:28<ramon>ahh okay.
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07:28<ramon>thank you guys
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08:42<woutjek>I've setup NFS exports on my debian server, but the client (media player, popcornhour) can find the exports but cannot browse deeper than 1 directory level. Anyone have an idea?
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08:45<SynrG>woutjek: needs id mapping perhaps?
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08:46<woutjek>SynrG: I've tried stuff like /data 192.168.1.10(--vers=3 ro,nohide,sync,subtree_check,fsid=0)
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09:49<shlatl>is it wanted that there might be newer versions of packages in stable than in testing?
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09:56<SynrG>shlatl: specifically what packages?
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10:02<shlatl>SynrG: if I'm not missing something iceweasel
10:03<SynrG>you're probably missing something, yes
10:03<SynrG>,v iceweasel
10:03<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 17.0.8esr-2; wheezy-security: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.0-2
10:03<SynrG>how is 10.0.12esr-1 newer than 17.0.8esr-2?
10:04<SynrG>and that's even if you're considering backports
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10:04<SynrG>er, sec, no
10:04<shlatl>SynrG: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel ?
10:04<SynrG>misread that by one line :)
10:05<SynrG>ah, yes. that can happen ...
10:05<SynrG>security update
10:05<shlatl>SynrG: why hasn't it been implemented into jessie?
10:05<SynrG>look above ...
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10:06<SynrG>!testing security
10:06<dpkg>Jessie is unlikely to receive full security support for some time -- don't run Jessie on things where good security support and stability are important.
10:07<shlatl>SynrG: that's interesting
10:07<shlatl>according to judd, the newest version of wheezy were 10.0.12esr-1, although it is 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1
10:08<shlatl>(^^ iceweasel, of course)
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10:10<shlatl>,v vlc
10:10<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2.0.8-1; sid: 2.0.8-1+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0.8-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.8-dmo5
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10:17<SynrG>shlatl: i can't see how that happened. i don't see any post about it :/
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10:20<caravel>shlatl, SynrG: I'm still a newcomer, hence precisely => :) yesterday I read again all pages on this topic (as linked from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and backports.debian.org)
10:21<caravel>and so, it's my understanding that, indeed, there are two cases which *might* bring such situations: 1- security 2-backports (although exceptional)
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10:23*SynrG nods
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10:24<caravel>Would that push be related to the now-famous js vulnerabilities which were affecting *all* releases of firefox/iceweasel until that 17.x one (and which were exploited against a few Tor hidden services, in particular this summer)?
10:24<caravel>SynrG: :) if I'm wrong please enlighten me :)
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10:25<SynrG>sounds reasonable
10:26<SynrG>anyway, so long as the earlier version in testing fixes the vulnerability, there's no problem with it being slightly older
10:26<SynrG>eventually the one in sid will migrate and replace it
10:26<SynrG>and then be ahead again
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10:27<Lumpenproletariat-cba>Good Morning, good Spring (here in Argentine)
10:27<caravel>SynrG: that's my point, even then (if jessie was *not* including the sec fix) it would be fine, as this says http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing
10:28<caravel>I'm very interesting is understanding this right, as I'm much hesitating on which head to build my next system here :)
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10:29*caravel Buen dia Lumpenproletariat-cba o/
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10:33<nmeum>does anybody know a decent command line tool to make incremental backups _from_ remote machines?
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10:34<nmeum>I am currently using duplicity but it is only capaple of making backups _to_ remote machines ;_;
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10:35<EmleyMoor>nmeum: flexbackup is pretty good...
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10:44<shlatl>nmeum: have a look at backuppc; it's popular among senior Debian users
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10:45<babilen>shlatl: I wouldn't necessarily think of backuppc as a command line tool
10:46<shlatl>babilen: ah right; he asked for a command line tool :)
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10:47<shlatl>babilen: at least it's not a qt-program or something but controlled via a web interface
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10:47<babilen>shlatl: it's a great tool and good for creating backups, yes
10:48<babilen>nmeum: Look into rsync, but why can't you log into the remote host ? There are a bazillion good backup tools worth looking into though, but most I can think of backup files to a specific location. (push, rather than pull)
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10:50<shlatl>babilen: I would think about advising it to him anyway because many people when they ask for command line tools just mean that they don't want gnome or qt-programs or the like that depend upon spedific system environments
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11:05<user01>if i need a more recent version of glibc to run some apps than that available in wheezy, can i just download the package from testing and install it?
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11:07<supaman>user01: that usually does not work no
11:07<supaman>user01: check out backports, see if they have the version that you need
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11:07<supaman>!backports
11:07<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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11:11<user01>supaman, k thanks!
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11:28<avcomp>Asking for help With Wheezy networking.. Anyone available?
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11:29<EmleyMoor>avcomp: What aspect of networking?
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11:31<avcomp>wheezy new install, fixed firmware and have LAN but no WAN or it seems... cannot update apt-get
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11:35<avcomp>EmleyMoor: ssh is operational, I cannot ping any internet address
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11:36<EmleyMoor>avcomp: How do you get your WAN connection?
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11:38<avcomp>EmleyMoor:WAN through DSL modem/router, have multiple machines on it now and they work fine. Upgraded Ubuntu 10.04 server with Wheezy server was working fine before upgrade.
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11:38<Fenhl>Hello, I'm trying to get the mail server to work. Is this the right channel?
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11:39<supaman>Fenhl: if you are running Debian Wheezy then yes
11:39<EmleyMoor>avcomp: What does ifconfig show? pastebin it, or just say the first bit of the address you have...
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11:40<Fenhl>I am
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11:40<supaman>Fenhl: then what is the problem? What have you tried, what is your goal?
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11:40<Fenhl>I have SMTP working — I can receive mail, read it with mutt, and send mail with mutt
11:40<Fenhl>however IMAP is not working at all
11:41<Fenhl>I have tried installing Dovecot and following multiple tutorials, none of which worked
11:42<Fenhl>in fact, I couldn't even complete most of them because the described steps didn't lead to the described results
11:42<Fenhl>which is a bit frustrating
11:43<supaman>Fenhl: so you are trying to set up a mail server that supports IMAP?
11:43<Fenhl>yes
11:43<EmleyMoor>Fenhl: I use courier-imap... been using it for years.
11:43<supaman>never done that, so can't help
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11:44<Fenhl>EmleyMoor: does it cooperate with postfix?
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11:45<EmleyMoor>Fenhl: I use exim, so can't comment on postfix...
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11:48<Fenhl>hm… would it be possible to use the mailbox I have from postfix/mutt now with exim?
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11:59<Adriaan>hey
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12:00<Fenhl>I mean, I don't really care which SMTPd I run as long as everything is working :D
12:00<sney>this link may be useful to you http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison#Quick_Answer
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12:03<avcomp>LAN working, I cannot access WAN
12:05<avcomp>Router has nothing blocking LAN to WAN and I have 4 other machines all have internet eccept Wheezy machine, all on same network. Any suggestions?
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12:08<Fenhl>EmleyMoor: Could you tell me how to start courier-imap? There doesn't seem to be an init script with that name
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12:13<petn-randall>sney: You link looks like a good overview, but note 9 just raised my eyebrows.
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12:13<EmleyMoor>Fenhl: You need to install it first
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12:14<Fenhl>EmleyMoor: I did `sudo apt-get install courier-imap`, is there something else I need to do?
12:17<petn-randall>sney: I can't see how forbidding @ in usernames is a design limitation. The RFC forbids them.
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12:22<Zaba>petn-randall, it doesn't as long as it's in quotes
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12:27<petn-randall>Zaba: Oh wow, just looked it up. Though most mail providers, or places where you have to leave an e-mail address, many don't even allow '+', which is really annoying.
12:27<petn-randall>So I guess not allowing the '@' in the local part isn't even the worst crime of them all ;)
12:27<Zaba>yes, most people understandably underestimate the craziness of rfc (2)822, because it's really over the top to a modern reader
12:28<Zaba>(and even if it seems easy in words, it definitely doesn't translate to easy code if you try to do it fully correctly)
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12:45<user01>supaman, yeah looking in backports, thakns
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12:46<petn-randall>Zaba: I totally looks like a parsing nightmare to me.
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12:49<user01>supaman, i dont see any glibc backports honestly for wheezy
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13:00<hzy>my debian 7 ATI RV710/730 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4000 series]HDMI can.t work
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13:00<hzy>how can I solve this problem?
13:01<hzy>Is anyone here?
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13:04<andrea_> /EXEC rm -vf /home/andrea/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_19599.query
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13:04<mtn>hzy: I can't answer you question, but have tried to do some troubleshooting? looked at any howtos or wikis?
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13:05<mtn>hzy: have you looked, that is?
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13:07<hzy>Yes,but I can't find information about my devices in the wiki
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13:08<mtn>hzy: start here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi it tells you how to identify your chip and possible solutions. then if you have questions you can tell us what you hav done to fix things.
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13:10<hzy>It's a sound device,Not wifi device.
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13:11<mtn>hzy: oops. so what wiki did you use and what happened? have you identified the chip?
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13:12<hzy>I found a wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Pavilion%20DV6-1260SG/Wheezy
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13:13<hzy>Is it ok?
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13:15<mtn>hzy: don't know. do you know what you chip is? try this to see: lspci -nn | grep Audio
13:16<hzy>00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
13:16<hzy>01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV710/730 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4000 series]
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13:17<mtn>hzy: googling debian ATI RV710/730 HDMI Audio finds several hits that might help you.
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13:18<mtn>hzy: maybe someone else here will be able to help you, too. maybe try back in a little while.
13:18<hzy>thank you! I will reboot for a test.
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13:18<vince>Hello
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13:19<vince>I just finished configuring a gateway on my irc server XMPP
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13:20<vince>It's seem to work
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13:47<vince>Bonsoir
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14:02<benjamin>Yo ?
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14:03<patrik>Hi, I have tried to extract iso image of installation cd a partition on usb stick and also install grub to mbr. But it always fails on detecting cd, which is kinda expected to fail. I know I can use grub to boot iso, but has anybody succeeded to go around detecting cd ? Thanks.
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14:04<benjamin>C'est ici que les gens viennent chercher leurs quotes bashfr ?
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14:04<boootes>hi there
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14:11<boootes>why the total amount of ram suported is diferent when you do "dmidecode"conmand? lets say, I got a pavilion ze4900, the service manual show only 1gb of total ram, demidecode comand show 2gb of total ram
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14:12<ender-adam>hi
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14:18<patrik>boootes: Are you sure it doesnt show the maximum memory which can be installed ? Try free -m to see what is used
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14:19<boootes>patrik: yes I'm sorry, the possible amount of memory to install, not the current installed memory
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14:23<boootes>patrik: always th dmidecode command print the double amount of memory to install (compared with the amount printed on th service manual)
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14:24<patrik>boootes: what says free -m ?
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14:24<boootes>patrik: letme see
14:26<boootes>patrik: ok free -m print the intalled ram (in this pc ig)
14:26<boootes>sorry 1gb
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14:26<patrik>boootes: so nobody made a mistake, you have 1 GB or ram installed.
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14:27<patrik>*of ram installed
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14:28<boootes>patrik: yes I know, but the problem is with the maximun amount of ram suported by the mobo
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14:29<boootes>patrik: the service manual telme 1gb, dmidecode tel me 2gb, so I'm lost
14:29<valdyn>boootes: supported by the vendor depends on whats available at the time of production. It does not mean that you cant actually put in more and find that it works
14:29<patrik>boootes: sorry, now i understand.
14:29<patrik>boootes: i have to agree with valdyn.
14:30<boootes>valdyn: so, dmidecode comand is always accurate?
14:30<valdyn>boootes: nope
14:30<boootes>ok
14:30<boootes>thanks 8)
14:32<Ognyan>Hello All. I'm using Debian 7 and Pidgin 2.10.6 but I'm not able to type any Cyrilic characters in the chat window (only allows Latin characters). All the rest of the applications are working fine with Cyrilic (web browser, mail client, etc). Can you please give me a hint what is the reson for this? Thank you in advance.
14:33<patrik>boootes: but be carefull, first of all you have to find out whether there is any free bank. In case of laptops you have mostly two banks and manufactures often install smaller rams to save some money. So in you case there can be 2x512MB rams.
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14:36<boootes>patrik: ok
14:36<Ognyan>By the way in Jitsi I have the same issue with Cyrilic characters. Does anyone know where I can find answer for this? Thank you.
14:37<boootes>patrik: that's my case, two slots of ram each with 512 mgb
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14:39<boootes>patrik: for me 1gb of ram is perfect, but, I just wanted to know why that differences on the info, now I know, dmidecode is not 100%accurate 8)
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14:51<fairway>hi all
14:51<fairway>why is it so hard to set up a TLS SMTP server with exim4 that WORKS?
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14:54<ichdasic1>fairway: why is it so hard to read documentation and ask questions in an answerable manner?
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15:18<patrik>Hi, I have tried to extract iso image of installation cd a partition on usb stick and also install grub to mbr. But it always fails on detecting cd, which is kinda expected to fail. I know I can use grub to boot iso, but has anybody succeeded to go around detecting cd ? Thanks.
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15:19<Nemoder>!usb boot
15:19<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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15:29<patrik>Nemoder: I read that while ago. But it wasnt clear enough maybe. I created btrfs on usb stick, afterwards subvolumes describing what it is i.e. subvolume called debian_install and copied all the files from iso to that subvolume. I was hoping in a general way to have and be able to install diferent distributions if grub (most probably thanks to support of various fs and having shell available) is installed on that usb device.
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15:30<patrik>Nemoder: well, I wasnt probably clear enough about it.
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16:37<toli>hmm. guys I just installed the wheezy expert install for the first time and didn't gave any password for my root and didn't created any user. how do I login now ?
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16:40<toli>no one has this issue ?
16:42<mgv>toli: try booting in single mode
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16:42<mgv>that would get you a nice root shell from which you can set a password and/or create an user
16:42<mgv>!single-user mode
16:42<dpkg>[single-user mode] Enter 'telinit 1' as root to switch from multi-user to single-user mode. To enter this mode at boot, GRUB: choose the "single-user mode" (GRUB Legacy) or "recovery mode" (GRUB 2) boot option; LILO: press the left shift key when LILO appears, then add '1' to the boot prompt (e.g. 'LILO: linux 1').
16:43<toli>thanks mgv
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18:10<patrik>Hi, I have tried to extract iso image of installation cd a partition on usb stick and also install grub to mbr. But it always fails on detecting cd, which is kinda expected to fail. I know I can use grub to boot iso, but has anybody succeeded to go around detecting cd ? I have placed this question twice already and please i have read dpkg about it. Thanks.
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18:15<stderr>patrik: You don't want to extract the content of the ISO image. You want to copy it as it is.
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18:35<patrik>stderr: Thank you for trying to help me. I know. It is exactly as I always do using dd ... we all know that.
18:37<stderr>Ok. I just wanted to make sure, cause you said you were trying to "extract iso image".
18:37<patrik>stderr: Part of the problem is, that I formated that partition on usb drive as btrfs and there isnt any module for such fs excpet nls, isofs and fat.
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18:37<patrik>stderr: I understand. ;)
18:37<stderr>Can I see the commando you're using to copy the ISO to the USB stick?
18:38<stderr>If you do it correctly, the partition(s) on the USB stick is deleted, so it wouldn't matter what filesystem you were using before.
18:39<patrik>stderr: I used to: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX and this it works just great. There is not any problem.
18:40<patrik>stderr: yes, you are right about loosing fs after copying iso with dd to device instead of partition.
18:40<stderr>And you're sure you used /dev/sdX, not e.g. /dev/sdX1 ?
18:40<patrik>stderr: yes, of course. ;)
18:41<stderr>Ok, then the previous partition and its filesystem should be gone. So I don't know why you even mention that it was btrfs?
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18:44<patrik>stderr: well, I had a idea earlier today. What if I created a partition across the whole drive. Afterwards I would format that partition as btrfs and created a subvolume called debian_install, for example. Install grub to mbr. For other distribution I would just created another subvolume and copied CONTENT of iso to that subvolume, adjust grub.cfg and so on.
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18:45<patrik>stderr: The same way the content of debian iso would be copied to subvolume debian_install, I forgot to mention.
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18:46<stderr>patrik: I would suggest using the easy way first, but if you want to do what you describe, you should probably read 4.3.3 on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03
18:47<patrik>stderr: The goal I would like to achieve is to have general way to add at any time any distribution to different subvolume.
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18:49<patrik>stderr: :) I have installed distributions using the easy way many times before. It is not about not knowing how to install the system in general, it is about the idea I had and I got stucked and dont know where else to ask. :)
18:50<stderr>Well... Read 4.3.3 and use a filesystem supported by the installer. :-)
18:51<stderr>And instead of subvolumes, maybe just use normal partitions?
18:51<patrik>stderr: now you are with me. :)
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18:52<stderr>Yes, now that you have told me what you were trying to do... :-)
18:53<patrik>stderr: yes, i could do that and i am going to try that first to see if it is fs issue only or there is more of it.
18:53<patrik>stderr: Well, I would not be a good teacher. I just have to live with that. ;)
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18:55<stderr>Anyway... After installing Debian you won't want to install anything else, so you might as well go for the easy solution right away. :-)
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18:58<patrik>stderr: Well if you are talking about falling in love with debian ... I am in for years, tried others but never stayed with any of them for any long period of time.
18:58<patrik>stderr: :)
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19:01<stderr>I got to go now. Need to do some programming I should have done weeks ago. :-/ I hope you can make it work.
19:03<patrik>stderr: No problem. Hope your programming goes smoothly, 'cause you doesnt seem to be very much into that now. Take care.
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19:04<stderr>Other programming projects were just more interesting...
19:05<stderr>But now I can't delay this one anymore.
19:05<patrik>stderr: well, that's what I thought to be honest.
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19:05<patrik>stderr: i didnt mean it in general. ;)
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20:06<apathy_yuyu>HI ALL
20:06<retrospectacus>hi
20:06<retrospectacus>!
20:06<retrospectacus>!ask
20:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:06<retrospectacus>and please don't shout
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20:21<vortek_>is tehre a way i can dl a debian install disk were it dont have to download a bunch of junk?
20:22<vortek_>like i donwload the junk now instaed of when the install boots?
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20:25<abrotman>get CD1 or DVD1 .. but it's more junk than you need?
20:26<perturbation>vortek_: you probably will have to download stuff again after the first boot to update packages anyway
20:26<vortek_>k
20:27<vortek_>k
20:27<vortek_>so i just use disc1.iso instaet ot the netboot one?
20:27<vortek_>instaet=instaed
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20:32<Brando753>hey guys quick question, normally for bootup proceess with LUKS disks you would use crpytab but I have 3 encrypted disks and once one is decrypted they it has on its LVM a key to decrypt the backup drive, is there a way using cryptab to decrypt that drive or will I just have to write a script on boot?
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20:33<Brando753>s/they/then/
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20:35<vortek_>ill get c1kde is0
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20:36<vortek_>cd1 kde iso
20:36<abrotman>wtf
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20:39<ardex>issued command: eject: unable to eject, last error: Input/output error
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20:42<ardex>ioctl errors for CDROM tray control. returns I/O error on $eject
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20:46<ardex>my CDROM will not eject without an error. I/O error on -v
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20:49<abrotman>bad CD?
20:50<ardex>abrotman: no. It works but there is a command glitch somewhere
20:50<perturbation>ardex: what does dmesg say?
20:51<ardex>let me check
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20:52<Marius80>hi
20:53<Marius80>sorry I got exactly 3 problems with a new debian wheezy installation that I have not been able to solve within the last couple of hours
20:53<Marius80>1) Videos stutter and jiggle
20:54<Marius80>2) KDE4 cannot mount Flashdrives and external harddrives
20:54<Marius80>3) konsole only starts half of the time, very often I get this: http://s21.postimg.org/6fyolzgl3/konsole.png
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21:03<abrotman>Marius80: please don't cross post
21:05<Marius80>abrotman, sorry I had the feeling that there is nobody alive here, so I checked the server and found out, that the "Debian Server" listed in xchat is not the freenode-server. So I opened up "Ubuntu Server" which actually is the real freenode server and reasked since there are barely people in this channel
21:05<abrotman>not true at all
21:06<Marius80>I did not lie
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21:07<Marius80>xchat got a "Debian Servers" and a "Ubuntu Servers" in its "Network list"
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21:07<ardex>paste.debian.net/plain/47417
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21:08<Marius80>abrotman, did I forfeit my chance to get help?
21:08*abrotman waits for Marius80 to choose a network
21:09<Marius80>ah, this is what you wanted to say :)
21:09<Marius80>I am going to leave here and stay on the server I originally wanted to ask on (freenode)
21:09<Marius80>see you on the other side of the river
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21:20<ardex>abrotman: do you want the whole dmesg file?
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21:26<ardex>~$ uname -a
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21:26<abrotman>who wha?
21:27<ardex>Linux ardex 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux Is current. Does this version have a CDROM ioctl issue?
21:27<abrotman>mine doesn't
21:27<ardex>ah so
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21:28<ardex>I could always reload another OS
21:28<abrotman>or try a livecd
21:28<ardex>I have the netinstall burned on a dvd
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21:30<ardex>I used xfburn, but unchecked the eject box
21:32<ardex>hmmm. mebbe its a semiconductor in the device itself
21:33<ardex>thanks anyway
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21:58<k-man_>are there any music players with airplay built into them?
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23:24<sheap>Could anyone help with debian/hurd?
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23:36<chealer>!tell sheap about anyone
23:37<sheap>basically tried to install debian/hurd on a laptop, downloaded the CD iso image and dd to a flash drive, but the target laptop doesn't detect boot media
23:37<sheap>i've tried several images but none seem to wokr
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23:40<sney>I wasn't aware the hurd installer was a hybrid image.
23:41<sheap>I didn't see anything about it being a hybrid
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