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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-09-30

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01:09<djcj>hi folks, i'm a bit of a noob and trying to create a bootable debian usb key using ubuntu. i have the debian live iso but i don't know what to do next. any help?
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01:29<jm_>djcj: why are you using debian live iso?
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01:36<djcj>jm: wanted to test out kde before install. im using UNetbootin to create a bootable usb now
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01:37<jm_>djcj: we don't recommend that here, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
01:39<djcj>jm_: that seems much more simple actually
01:40<jm_>djcj: just be careful to use the right device name
01:40<djcj>will do
01:42<djcj>jm_: do you know if i can boot this from an SD card instead of USB
01:42<djcj>just realized my usb stick is only 1GB
01:43<jm_>djcj: if you are asking if doing the same thing with a SD card should work, then yes, but whether it will boot from it depends on your BIOS etc.
01:44<djcj>jm_: ah i see. i'll look into that. thanks
01:45<jm_>no worries
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02:04<alien>hello, need help
02:04<alien>after update pack 7 update
02:05<alien>unable to access synaptic manager, many programs from the menu
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02:10<alien>Can anyone help me rollback to update pack 6
02:10<alien>I am unable to access even my home folder
02:11<themill>"update pack 6"?
02:11<alien>Yes, I am using Linux mint debian edition
02:11<themill>ah... ask them.
02:11<themill>!mint
02:11<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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02:12<alien>Thanks
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02:17<powermaniac>Excuse me, but how do I check that MTP is installed?
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02:49<Fenhl>so Debian's init has these messages with prefixes like [....] and [ ok ] — anyone know what these are called?
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02:50<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Fenhl -about lsb fancy
02:50<themill>"lsb fancy output" (or similar) is what they were called in the changelog that enabled
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02:52<Fenhl>alright, thanks I guess
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02:53<Fenhl>I've seen these in a couple other places so far, like ZNC's config tool… was hoping that there was some sort of library or even standard for them
02:53<themill>nothing I know of
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02:54<Fenhl>oh well, then I'll have to write one myself
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02:57<seewoo>?
02:57<themill>Fenhl: If it's a shell script, I guess you could use the /lib/lsb/init-functions in the same way as the init scripts do ;) It's a pretty dumb implementation though
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02:57<seewoo>..?
02:57<seewoo>simething wrong?
02:58<seewoo>something wrong?
02:58<seewoo>?
02:58<seewoo>i don't know about this chatting
02:58<themill>!ubuntu-irc seewoo
02:58<dpkg>seewoo: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
02:58<seewoo>a... alright
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02:59<jm_>Fenhl: you mean /lib/lsb/init-functions?
02:59<Fenhl>themill, jm_: no, it's not for an init script
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03:00<jm_>Fenhl: it's just a bunch of functions, you can use it for other purposes
03:00<Fenhl>okay, I'll look into it
03:01<themill>Fenhl: if this is going to be used in any sh or bash script you could just use that same library. If it's perl or python or anything else, it's probably only about 8 lines of code to reimplement them
03:02<Fenhl>probably going to write a nice python module that lets you pass a function and handles everyting for you
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06:20<k-man_>is there anything that might prevent xorg from seeing my ir-remote key presses in debian?
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06:27<acer>ciaoooooooo
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07:05<dimitrio>hola
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07:26<hzy>how can I use xfwm without a xfce4-desktop
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07:27<hzy>Is anyone here?
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07:48<EmleyMoor>Just in case anyone happens to know this already, are the libguestfs packages from sid backportable into wheezy?
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07:51<babilen>judd: checkbackport libguestfs-dev
07:51<judd>Backporting package libguestfs-dev in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: supermin, qemu-system-x86 [i386 amd64].
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07:52<babilen>EmleyMoor: ^^^ Looks as if the supermin and qemu-system-x86 have to be backported first. Haven't checked those, but feel free to use our bot yourself (/msg judd checkbackport qemu-system-x86)
07:52<babilen>EmleyMoor: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/
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07:55<EmleyMoor>Alternatively, can I rebuild using a newer upstream 1.18 than the original without too much bother?
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07:56<babilen>EmleyMoor: What do you mean by "newer upstream 1.18" ? A version 1.18 release that is newer than the one in Debian?
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07:56<EmleyMoor>Yes
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07:57<babilen>EmleyMoor: What are you *really* trying to achieve here? Does 1.18.* contain a bugfix that you require on wheezy to the effect that you don't actually require version 1.22 (or 1.23), but simply "any version with that fix" ?
07:58<valliny>XBMC为什么不能添加sohu的插件了?求教啊
07:58*babilen supplies additional power to his crystal ball
07:58<EmleyMoor>Yes... 1.18.4 and later are OK
07:58<babilen>dpkg: zh valliny
07:58<dpkg>wish i knew, babilen
07:58<babilen>EmleyMoor: Why is that?
07:58<babilen>dpkg: zh
07:58<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
07:58<babilen>valliny: ^^
07:59<valliny>:)
07:59<valliny>3q
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07:59<jm_>EmleyMoor: I use uupdate and it's typically easy, but who knows for each package ...
07:59<EmleyMoor>babilen: There's no shutdown in libguestfs-perl - that could corrupt things.
07:59<themill>if the current version doesn't backport easily, updating it to a new upstream version won't fix that
08:00<babilen>valliny: But you might want to explain what happens if you try to use the "sohu" plugin with vlc if you are comfortable chatting in English
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08:00<valliny>right
08:00<valliny>my English is poor
08:01<babilen>themill: It would be an upgrade from 1.18.1 to 1.18.4 ; It might also be possible to actually cherry-pick whatever EmleyMoor needs and make it available to everyone (based on the severity of the bug that is being fixed), but its quite hard to get actual information.
08:01<EmleyMoor>themill: 1.22 is a pain to backport. 1.18 has a chance
08:01<babilen>well, 1.18.1 *is* in wheezy
08:01<themill>ah, I see
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08:02<babilen>dpkg: tell EmleyMoor -about uupdate
08:03<EmleyMoor>babilen: Thanks - already following that factoid
08:03<babilen>EmleyMoor: But it would really help if you could just tell us what the real problem is, you made a good start with "There's no shutdown in libguestfs-perl - that could corrupt things.", but that isn't enough. You might also want to consider to file a bug about this or contact the maintainer and ask if it would be feasible to package/cherry-pick that fix.
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08:07<EmleyMoor>babilen: I'm using a perl script to mount disks with custom options - the script calls libguestfs-perl's "shutdown" at the end to clean up and properly close the image when unmounted. However, 1.18.3 and earlier lack shutdown, and I am being advised also by Richard Jones to try 1.18.4 or later.
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08:24<EmleyMoor>Damn, in patch hell
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09:18<indrajeet>hey
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09:18<indrajeet>anyone help me
09:18<indrajeet>plz
09:18<indrajeet>i have a issue regarding Xubuntu
09:18<stdhell>!ubuntu
09:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
09:18<indrajeet>okay thatks
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09:53<esseks>Hi! I've just turned an old dekstop PC in a Debian home server. The server has a NVidia video card whose fan is always on. Does installing non-free drivers enable power management?
09:54<esseks>As a side note: the PC has no integrated graphic card and, although it runs mostly headless, I do want to keep some sort of "direct" access to it, so removing the VC is not an option.
09:54<babilen>esseks: I can't promise anything, but I wouldn't be too surprised if that is the case. See https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for installation instructions
09:55<esseks>babilen, note that I'm running it as a pure server (no Xorg around). I only need the kernel module.... Does this sentence even make sense?
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09:58<babilen>esseks: that's fine
10:01<petn-randall>esseks: Other ideas: You could just find an old graphics card that works, or check if newer kernels support power management.
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10:06<esseks>babilen, nice
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10:09<esseks>petn-randall, yeah, gooid ideas. Anyway I'd like to stick with Wheezy kernel. Currently, I have no hardware lying around and if I could avoid buying a videocard I would be happy :)
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10:11<petn-randall>esseks: My memory is shrouded, but I remember it being supported in newer kernels. You'll find newer kernel in the backports repo, which is part of Debian.
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10:22<petn-randall>esseks: Or you simply install the non-free drivers and "try it and see". :)
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10:30<zmax>ola
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10:36<revolver21>Sorry I just can't figure out as a developer, which port to choose between i386 or amd64, is i386 still more common or amd64 has more advantages?
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10:40<babilen>revolver21: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Architectural_features -- almost no need to use i386 with multiarch, but there is no clear cut "amd64 is *always* better" as it depends. 64bit might cause problems due to higher memory usage, but might also be faster due to utilisation of amd64 specific processor capabilities
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10:41<revolver21>babilen: thank you.
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10:43<petn-randall>revolver21: People might argue otherwise, but as a rule of thumb I recommend amd64 over i386 if the CPU supports it. There surely are (obscure) corner cases where i386 on a 64 bit CPU works better.
10:43<babilen>revolver21: I'm using amd64 and am happy with it.. On what kind of hardware are you installing and what will the box be used for?
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10:46<revolver21>babilen: athlon2 cpu and 4G memory
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10:47<babilen>revolver21: I'd use amd64 on that
10:47<revolver21>I know I might choose amd64 but briefly which port's more popular? that might be a question most developers care.
10:48<babilen>I guess amd64 is more popular these days
10:48<petn-randall>revolver21: amd64.
10:48<petn-randall>revolver21: However, what are you writing that needs to work on amd64, but doesn't on i386?
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10:52<revolver21>petn-randall: not sth big I just wonder that, most developers care sth like "standard".
10:55<revolver21>petn-randall: and I find it's hard to figure out "standard" between linux or various. generally you want your code works much ports without modification.
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11:28<arod>xserver upgrade is broken in sid because of an unmet dependecy on xserver-xorg-video-apm. I couldn't find a bug about it. Is there some workaround?
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11:30<abrotman>seems like it's there, which version does it want?
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11:32<arod>2:1.12 (stable/testing)
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11:32<arod>xserver-xorg-core
11:32<babilen>arod: Mind pasting the output? I am running a completely up-to-date system and haven't encountered that. Please also note that we have a testing/unstable specific support channel called #debian-next that is more appropriate for this.
11:32<babilen>dpkg: tell arod -about bat
11:33<arod>while xserver-xorg-core is 2:1.14.3-3 0 on sid
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11:33<arod>babilen, good to know. I'll ask there
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11:44<calixte>bungle@138
11:44<Naughx>Hi!
11:44<calixte>sorry
11:44<retrospectacus>hi
11:45<calixte>bad chan
11:45<Naughx>How are you guys?
11:45<retrospectacus>!chat
11:45<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
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11:52<petn-randall>'ASL' is allowed as long as it's about the ACPI Source Language and a debian-related problem.
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12:03<PaulePanter>Hi. I want to install postgresql but with a different data directory than used by default. Is there a way to do that during package installation or do I have to revert what the install script does and then adapt it?
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12:10<zathras>what is the python unzip module package in Debian please?
12:11<zathras>cannot find it in wheezy somehow although I am quite sure it exists
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12:12<petn-randall>PaulePanter: Just edit your postgresql.conf, you can delete the old data directory after restarting postgresql.
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12:14<PaulePanter>petn-randall: Ok. I guess that’s good enough compared to building a packages myself.
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12:20<zathras>nm
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12:22<petn-randall>PaulePanter: Why would you want to build your own package? It's a config file option.
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12:24<PaulePanter>petn-randall: Because it seems strange to let the package installation do a lot of unwanted stuff and having to remove it.
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12:48<wdoodle>hello, just switched my wheezy harddrive into a different machine because I was experiencing random reboots (noticed a swollen capacitor when I was pulling the HD). Rejumpered the wheezy drive and the drive already in the box to make the wheezy drive master. Now when I try to boot I get http://paste.debian.net/47580/. Booting a live grml cd I see that the by-uuid link does exist and points to the correct partition. Any suggestions abuot
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14:18<lOOza>bbe
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14:18<Rudde>bullshit
14:18<Naughx>:o great...
14:18<Ad_m>What's up?
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14:18<steffkes>not sure about that
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14:19<rohieb>kickban pls?
14:19<sohcahtoa_>!kick lOOza
14:19*dpkg kicks lOOza in the ass.
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14:19-!-lOOza was kicked from #debian by weasel [lOOza]
14:19<factoreal>kick IOOza please
14:19<gnugr>!ops lOOza flood
14:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: lOOza flood
14:19<mhall119_>well ain't he charming
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14:19<rohieb>thx
14:19<sohcahtoa_>ty
14:19<stderr>Thanks.
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14:21<McLive>pah
14:21<jeremyb>weasel: your ban's a bit narrow? (username?)
14:21<@weasel>sufficient for now
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14:22<factoreal>thanks admin ;)
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14:23<pillar2012>anyone here have success on installing ia32-libs on wheezy (or the equivalent)?
14:23<pillar2012>I have scoured the net and non of the suggestions work for me
14:24<shirish>I do wish most of the libs. become 64-bit so ia32-libs becomes irrelevant.
14:25<pillar2012>yeah this has become a big pain.
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14:27<pillar2012>anyone have any suggestions or gone through this mess themselves?
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14:27<wompa>pillar2012, no, I only add i386 as an arch and install some-package:i386 when I need to, but if you tell us what you are trying to install it will be easier to help
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14:29<wompa>!tell pillar2012 -about multiarch
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14:29<pillar2012>wompa, I have already done the multiarch thing
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14:29<pillar2012>but still can't get ia32-libs to install
14:29<wompa>pillar2012, you should not need them
14:30<pillar2012>okay then maybe my problem lies elsewhere
14:30<pillar2012>thanks
14:30<Naughx>https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
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14:30<wompa>pillar2012, you are probably trying to install something, you may tell us what something is
14:30<pillar2012>its the qnx 6.50 development envirnoment
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14:31<pillar2012>I am getting java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-pi-gtk-3557 or swt-pi-gtk in swt.library.path, java.library.path or the jar file
14:31<pillar2012>error when running this
14:31<pillar2012>since this software uses 32-bit for everything I was trying to remedy it by getting all the 32-bit packages installed
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14:32<pillar2012>any ideas are welcome
14:33<sajjad>Hi
14:33<blast007>pillar2012: you have libswt-gtk-3-jni installed?
14:33<pillar2012>yes
14:33<blast007>pillar2012: for which architecture?
14:33<pillar2012>I believe both but let me double check
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14:34<pillar2012>ah only amd64.... let me install (dooh!)
14:35<Naughx>:P
14:36<pillar2012>thanks guys works now :)
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15:20<Kovciu>hi all
15:20<retrospectacus>hi, Kovciu !
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15:20<Naughx>hello :) Come to #moocows if you want to chat with us :D
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15:28<pebbel>hi, i'm trying to install Java 7 on Debian wheezy. I've downloaded the file (.gz) and unpacked it. but now? java.com doesnt give much of guidelines..
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15:29<petn-randall>pebbel: Why don't you install the Java 7 provided by Debian?
15:29<pebbel>openjdk?
15:29<retrospectacus>!install java
15:29<dpkg>For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package (install icedtea6-plugin for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"). For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>.
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15:30<pebbel>so rather openjdk then oracle java?
15:30<retrospectacus>absolutely
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15:31<Naughx>openjdk is better anyways.
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15:31<mbaragiola>the best thing to do is avoid java, but if you must use it, openjdk is the best thing to use IMO
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15:32<mbaragiola>hopefully, one day libreoffice will get rid of java
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15:33<Naughx>mbaragiola? Fork it?
15:34<mbaragiola>Naughx: libreoffice is currently using java, python and cpp
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15:34<devil_>but libreoffice can be used without java, it only needs it for some functions
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15:35<mbaragiola>devil_: that was my point :)
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15:36<Naughx>But I would like it if most websites got rid of adobe's flash.
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15:58<thief_and_a_liar>hi, is flash a problem on linux in general?
15:58<devil_>flash is a problem.
15:58<mtn>thief_and_a_liar: yes, no, maybe
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15:59<Nemoder>it's not entirely broken but there are lots of issues with it
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16:00<mtn>it always works for me, but lots of people whine about flash
16:01<Nemoder>i find it works best paired with flashblock to selectively enable it when required. solved most of my browser freezes anyway
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16:03<ddm>hola
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16:03<ddm>hola, alguien me lee?
16:04<ddm>esto no funciona, o si funciona no lo entiendo
16:04<Naughx>@thief_and_a_liar; you can try gnash or lightspark as open "alternatives"
16:05<Naughx>But I hate flash.
16:05<Nemoder>!es
16:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:05<thief_and_a_liar>ok, I'll look into those
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16:15<wdoodle>on an initramfs system, can you swap a drive (the bootable one) from one box to another, or do you need to generate an new one for the new hardware ?
16:15<wdoodle>generate a new initramfs image I mean
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16:32<cae>manpages.d.n is broken, isn't it?
16:34<ompaul>cae: it is not available here, I assume you are seeing the same.
16:34<ompaul>cae: is it something simple
16:34<cae>ompaul: timeout, right?
16:35<ompaul>note even got to that point but been waiting for a long time now
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16:39<cae>ompaul: syn, syn+ack, ack and then the GET... but I don't see any data coming back, just syn+ack
16:40<ompaul>cae: I didn't bother to continue waiting.
16:40<ompaul>cae: nor was I that interested in the specific packets
16:40<ompaul>;-)
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16:41*cae listenes carefully for each bit on the line ;-)
16:41<ompaul>cae: I only debug in work, at home in the pm no, I don't care that much, it is there or it is not.
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16:44<cae>yeah, I'm just sniffing for fun; it wouldn't help anything if I knew the reason why it's dead
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16:45<cae>ompaul: RST after 240s... but the browser is still "loading"
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16:46<ompaul>cae: let me give you a diagnosis and see if you agree with me ;-)
16:47<ompaul>The site is not responsive at this time.
16:47<cae>ah, Iceweasel decided to choke on its own error page, "XML Parsing Error"...
16:48<cae>ompaul: yeah, that's about the amount of usable details I can provide ;-)
16:48<ompaul>cae: yet again the over complicated gets in the way of a plain message
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17:34<boacs>In vlc versions before 2.0.3-5 , there was a linking issue which immediately crashed vlc on a live system, saying, "[0x220e108] main libvlc error: No plugins found! Check your VLC installation."
17:34<boacs>(One workaround I've found out is implicit linking: "VLC_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/vlc/plugins/ vlc")
17:34<boacs>In version 2.0.3-5, this problem had been solved, in version 2.0.8-1, it has been reintroduced.
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17:58<afr0>hi
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18:01<afr0>we are dead?
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18:02<retrospectacus>yes
18:02<ectospasm>not I
18:02<afr0>it's funny
18:02*retrospectacus crawls across the floor in search of ectospasm's brains
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18:05<afr0>abaut kernel linux we prefer?
18:05<afr0>*about
18:05<devil_>3.11.2?
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18:05<retrospectacus>2.6.18 was a classic
18:06<afr0>not bad
18:06<afr0>devil why you love kernel linux version 3.11?
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18:07<devil_>afr0: becuase I like to test current stuff
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18:08<afr0>ok
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18:14<nevyn>retrospectacus: wasn't that what rhel5 stuck with?
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18:15<retrospectacus>no idea
18:15<retrospectacus>I think it was Lenny's though
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18:17<retrospectacus>nope. Etch
18:17<retrospectacus>good times
18:17<Fell>hello
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18:18<stderr>world
18:18<retrospectacus>Fello
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18:18<Fell>can smeone teach me hw to change theme in Kali Linux?
18:19<retrospectacus>Fell: sorry, no. We only support Debian.
18:19<retrospectacus>!kali
18:19<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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18:20<Fell>oh gosh wrong section.
18:20<Fell>tq for redirecting me.
18:20<retrospectacus>you're welcome.
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18:42<inahd>hey all
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18:43<inahd>sigh, trying to figure out bluetooth/wiimote connection...
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18:44*SamB wonders how long until it says wiimote on the box you buy it in
18:44<inahd>hehe
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18:45<inahd>probably until i don't need to ask how to get it working
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19:04<romario>oi
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19:08<retrospectacus>!br
19:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:09<romario>Hello
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19:17<Guest811>Olá
19:18<retrospectacus>!br
19:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:23<alumno_>hola alguien sabe cual es el servidor de huayra para ir a ese canal
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19:25<retrospectacus>!br
19:25<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:25<psusi>I'm trying to debootstrap an x32 chroot from debian-ports.org and debootstrap keeps retrying failed download of the Packages.bz2 file... but it seems to download just fine.. what could be the problem?
19:25<alumno_>sorry
19:26<chealer>!es
19:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:31<petn-randall>psusi: What's the exact error message? I'm guessing the signature failed.
19:32<psusi>W: Retrying failed download of http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-x32/Packages.bz2
19:32<psusi>I added --no-check-gpg and it all it seemed to do was get rid of the warning that it couldn't verify the Release signature
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19:33<psusi>I've also imported they debian-ports key into apt as they recommend and it just made it worse... turned the warning about unknown signature on the release file into: E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 1C466F272FF7A9F4)
19:34<psusi>but --no-check-gpg gets rid of that
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19:34<psusi>but it still just keeps retrying the download on the Packages file for no apparent reason
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19:36<petn-randall>psusi: ... ehm ... signature checking is something you want active. How would you otherwise know the packages really come from Debian, and aren't forged on the way?
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19:43<psusi>petn-randall, I'm really not worried about it.. I'll take it if it works, but I can't get it to work either way
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19:43<psusi>this is just for a temporary testing setup anyhow
19:44<psusi>wanted to see how the x32 abi works in practice compared to full 64 bit
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20:14<gsus>Hello, has anyone idea of why, with doctrine, when one class inherit from other, all the inherit attributes set as private while doing the doctrine:generate:entities??/
20:15<gsus>maybe am i doing something wrong?
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20:17<gsus>wow... i write in the wrong forum... sorry about that >)
20:17<retrospectacus>perhaps you are looking for a "doctrine" channel
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20:40<zcd>is compiz available in packages?
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20:44<abrotman>zcd: don't think so
20:45<grepwood>is it normal for debian to not have /usr/games/bin as part of its default $PATH?
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20:47<zcd>ok ty
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20:47<abrotman>grepwood: for root, or normal user?
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20:48<grepwood>abrotman: for both please
20:49<jcrowgey>hi debian friends, i've got an acer aspire one 722 running debian wheezy and i can't seem to get the sound working correctly
20:49<jcrowgey>can you guys help me trouble shoot? i had it working af ew months ago but then there was a reinstall and i never got it going again.
20:49<grepwood>jcrowgey, lspci | grep -i audio
20:49<Nemoder>!alsa checklist
20:49<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
20:50<abrotman>grepwood: for my user, I have it in my path
20:50<jcrowgey>grepwood, these are the two devices. i note that in pavucontrol only the hdaudio one is showing up, but the internal normal one is missing.
20:50<jcrowgey>00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6250/6310]
20:50<jcrowgey>00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
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20:51<jcrowgey>sorry about the flood, i hope that wasn't too bad.
20:51<jcrowgey>also i will go through that checklist.
20:51<grepwood>lspci -s00:14.2 -vvv | grep kernel
20:51<grepwood>just to re-assure you have the driver for it :)
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20:51<grepwood>abrotman, that's strange
20:52<jcrowgey>ooh, that command gave no output.
20:52<grepwood>you sure it's /usr/games/bin?
20:52<jcrowgey>probably i'm missing a driver.
20:52<grepwood>jcrowgey, try without piping a grep
20:53<grepwood>just in case it was Kernel
20:53<jcrowgey>ok, i see output now, the kernel was with a capital "K". it says Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
20:54<grepwood>right... so can you say more about your problem?
20:54<jcrowgey>well, i don't hear any sounds. when i look in alsamixer or in pavucontrol i don't see the internal sound card.
20:55<grepwood>did you see what dpkg posted?
20:55<jcrowgey>well in pavucontrol i don't see the internal sound card, but in alsamixer i see it but when i select it i have no sliders, only a box that says 00 and S/PDIF underneath it.
20:56<jcrowgey>yes, i did my terminal is too short though, do you know how to scroll up in iirc
20:56<grepwood>pgup
20:56<grepwood>or mouse scroll
20:56<grepwood>if you can play a sound as root
20:56<grepwood>then it's permissions
20:56<jcrowgey>hmm, scrolling that way isn't working in this irc client
20:56<jcrowgey>dpkg: alsa checklist
20:56<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
20:57<jcrowgey>ok, 1) is fine, i checked it 2) i don't see the proper channels in alsamixer. 3) pulsaudio is working, 4) speakers don't have any external switch.
20:58<jcrowgey>5) no, 6) can you say how to do this?
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20:58<jcrowgey>i think that (2) is the crux of the problem, perhaps caused by (6). not sure.
20:59<jcrowgey>i'm not seeing the internal sound card, only the one for the hdmi port that i'm not using.
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21:06<abrotman>grepwood: echo $PATH
21:08<grepwood>abrotman, as root, not even /usr/games is there
21:08<grepwood>as user, /usr/local/games and /usr/games are there
21:09<abrotman>grepwood: grep games /etc/profile
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21:10<grepwood>looks just like my PATH
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22:53<sta|ker>Hi guys, I'm having more of an annoyance issue than a serious one (I figured someone might know something since google isn't helping me out with this). Basically I'm using Wicd as my wireless manager, and while I can connect to my wireless router and everything, the GUI (wicd-gtk) doesn't settle down and show the status. After attempting to connect to the router, it just stays on "Done connecting..." and the progress bar goes back and forth, never stoppin
22:53<sta|ker>g. The logs aren't really displaying anything helpful either.
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23:03<sta|ker>Anyone?
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