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---Logopened Tue Oct 01 00:00:35 2013
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00:22<panzza>saludos desde cancun
00:22<panzza>como puedo hacer untupara abrir ubuntu en un virtualbox desde xub
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01:33<deepak>I have run into an issue. I am unable to install any application on my ubuntu release
01:34<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc deepak
01:34<dpkg>deepak: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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04:30<fairway>hi all.
04:31<fairway>do you know if debian supports reverse PTR resolving for a given IP per default?
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04:34<fairway>or will it only work with bind9
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04:38<peter1138>What are you asking? Can you reverse lookup an IP address out of the box? Yes.
04:39<fairway>peter1138: what is the protocol that achieves that?
04:39<fairway>because I have by debian box behind a firewall
04:40<stdhell>rDNS is DNS requests for PTR records in the domain.
04:41<stdhell>(Or, if we're talking about IPv6 addresses.)
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04:45<fairway>FreeDNS provides hostname to IP conversion, however IP to hostname conversion (referred to as reverse DNS) is handled by the company in control of the IP address space you are using.
04:45<fairway>will not work with FreeDNS
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04:48<stdhell>fairway: If you got a /24 range or bigger, you might be able to get the addresses redelegated to another nameserver.
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04:53<fairway>alright. I will try that
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05:07<ahuggablewalrus>I'm following a guide here:
05:07<ahuggablewalrus>to run a mailserver.
05:07<ahuggablewalrus>When I run this command: encfs /encrypted-mail /decrypted-mail -o --verbose --public
05:07<ahuggablewalrus>I get fuse: unknown option `--verbose' fuse failed. Common problems: - fuse kernel module not installed (modprobe fuse) - invalid options -- see usage message
05:07<ahuggablewalrus>Any ideas?
05:07<stdhell>modprobe fuse ?
05:08<ahuggablewalrus>no visible output
05:08<stdhell>No ouput -> no errors... Good.
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05:10<peter1138>If you want email security you really ought to use end-to-end encryption, like S/MIME or PGP.
05:10<ahuggablewalrus>peter1138: I intend to use S/MIME and PGP once I've got my mailserver set up, but unfortunately I can't convince most of my friends to use it. So I'd like to encrypt my e-mail serverside as well.
05:12<EmleyMoor>How do I call mount.fuse with a parameter to call a further script from /etc/fstab?
05:13<EmleyMoor>(and, does that script need to be in any particular place?)
05:14<rostam>HI the output of the netstat -su indicates some udp errors, what could be the source of the udp errors? thx
05:14<ahuggablewalrus>stdhell: any other ideas?
05:14<EmleyMoor>You're supposed to write the device as script#/device, but when I try that, it fails to find the script
05:15<ahuggablewalrus>Sorry, google's not giving me much today.
05:15<EmleyMoor>I can however expand it into what mount.fuse should make of it and it works
05:16<stdhell>ahuggablewalrus: Did you try running the command again after you modprobed fuse?
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05:16<ahuggablewalrus>stdhell: yeah. No luck. I'm rebooting the VPS right now.
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05:17<ahuggablewalrus>stdhell: Nope. Still giving me the same error message.
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05:17<EmleyMoor>Ah, problem solved
05:18<peter1138>root@li212-205:~# encfs /encrypted-mail /decrypted-mail -o --public
05:18<peter1138>^ no --verbose listed there...
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05:19<ahuggablewalrus>woops, sorry. I ran encfs /encrypted-mail /decrypted-mail -o --public
05:19<ahuggablewalrus>That was from an earlier copypasta.
05:19<ahuggablewalrus>So yeah.
05:20<peter1138>So your error message is different now?
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05:20<ahuggablewalrus>Same one. :(
05:20<peter1138>"fuse: unknown option `--verbose' fuse failed." < that?
05:20<peter1138>With --verbose, even though you didn't supply it?
05:20<ahuggablewalrus>It was fuse: unknown option `--public' fuse failed. Common problems: - fuse kernel module not installed (modprobe fuse) - invalid options -- see usage message
05:21<ahuggablewalrus>--public is unknown.
05:21<ahuggablewalrus>Which is irritating.
05:21<ahuggablewalrus>The guide is designed for Squeeze, and I'm using Wheezy, and the --public option isn't deprecated (I checked in documentation)
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05:23<peter1138>Is --public a fuse mount option or an encfs option?
05:24<weasel>fuse, iirc
05:24<weasel>fuse might have called it allow-other
05:25<peter1138>Yeah, mount options don't generally start with --
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05:30<ahuggablewalrus>peter1138: should I try encfs /encrypted-mail /decrypted-mail -o allow-other ?
05:31<ahuggablewalrus>fuse: unknown option `allow-other' fuse failed. Common problems: - fuse kernel module not installed (modprobe fuse) - invalid options -- see usage message
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05:32<stdhell>Is fuse loaded?
05:32<peter1138>I have no real idea, I've never used encfs before. I'd try it without -o though.
05:32<peter1138>(As --public *is* definitely also an encfs option)
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05:34<peter1138>It might not do the right thing though.
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05:38<ahuggablewalrus>OKay. running without -o gave me no error message!
05:39<ahuggablewalrus>I'm assuming if the computer doesn't say anything, everything is okay.
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05:43<paulio>How I can reinstall all package include in gnome metapackage?
05:44<Dinesh1>i want to force a commad without asking for password as root
05:44<Dinesh1>how to do it
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05:53<jm_>Dinesh1: man sudoers
05:53<jm_>!package reinstall
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06:00<Dinesh1>adding man sudoers before command
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06:01<ixi>Dinesh1 he's telling you to read manual for sudoers file
06:01<ixi>run command 'man sudoers' in terminal to do that
06:02<Dinesh1>im running a command via php shell_exec
06:02<Dinesh1>i want to act as root
06:02<Dinesh1>what should i add before command
06:03<Dinesh1>im new to linux
06:03<stdhell>sudo, but you need to read the man page first.
06:03<ixi>#php might know
06:03<ixi>or #php on freenode
06:03<ixi>(by the way this seems like a really dangerous idea; I hope you know what you're doing)
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06:04<stdhell>Personally, I would never run anything as root from a webpage.
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06:05<stdhell>Dinesh1: Are you sure you need to run that command as root? What command are we talking about?
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06:23<sta|ker>Hi, I'm having a weird issue with the wicd-gtk client. I'm able to get to the internet and connect, but it seems that the client never fully finishes the connection process and just "Done connecting..." with the status bar going back and for constantly, never finishing. Anyone experience this issue?
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06:25<hotkey>only with the wife never finishing
06:27<sta|ker>ha ha, very funny
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06:30<babilen>hotkey: Please refrain from comments like that in the future. They are neither appropriate nor is this channel the right channel. (if there is a correct channel at all)
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06:33<sta|ker>What's weird is that wicd-curses doesn't do anything like this
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06:34<bschindler>Hi - I need for a project libjpeg-turbo which is from what I can tell in debian sid
06:34<babilen>sta|ker: Well, wicd wasn't particularly well maintained for quite a while and I am not surprised by subtle bugs like that. I would recommend to check Debian's and their bug tracker.
06:34<bschindler>is there a way to just install libjpeg-turbo from sid?
06:34<babilen>dpkg: tell bschindler -about ssb
06:35<babilen>judd: v libjpeg-turbo
06:35<judd>No package named 'libjpeg-turbo' was found in i386.
06:35<babilen>judd: v libturbojpeg1
06:35<judd>Package: libturbojpeg1 on i386 -- jessie: 1.3.0-2; sid: 1.3.0-2
06:36<bschindler>babilen, what is jessie? (sorry, I'm new to debian)
06:36<bschindler>I'm on amd64 btw
06:37<babilen>bschindler: jessie is testing (yet another development "release") -- You might want to take a look at -- testing is the release from which we will cut the next stable release. (jessie will be Debian 8.0)
06:37<stdhell>jessie is testing.
06:37<hotkey>sorry babilen she had trouble with her client
06:38<sta|ker>Huh, it appears it's in bug tracker (, I guess I'll have to keep an eye on it
06:38<bschindler>babilen, so to get libjpeg-turbo, I'd have to completely upgrade to sid?
06:39<babilen>bschindler: No, not at all. You follow the instructions our bot (dpkg) sent you in private to backport the package(s) yourself.
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06:39<bschindler>ah, sorry, didn't see the private message
06:39<babilen>hotkey: Take it elsewhere, thank you.
06:39<bschindler>will check that
06:39<babilen>bschindler: Shouldn't be too hard as all build dependencies can be satisfied easily.
06:41<bschindler>great, thanks
06:41<babilen>bschindler: Also is a good read along with the (seminal)
06:41<babilen>bschindler: Actually, read the chapter in the Debian Handbook. It is well written and will answer all your questions.
06:42<stdhell>s/all your questions/all your debian questions/
06:43<stdhell>Unless there's a new version I haven't heard about?
06:43<babilen>stdhell: No, unfortunately not :(
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06:45<sta|ker>Holy crap, I just realized this bug was reported on March of 2012 and never even got a response... welp, looks like this will never get fixed. Anyone recommend another light weight wireless manager?
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06:55<bschindler>babilen, hmm... that seemed to have been the wrong package :)
06:55<bschindler>I don't need turbojpeg, but libjpeg-turbo
06:56<bschindler>even though turbojpeg builds from the proper source, it seems to only output turbojpeg and not libjpeg-turbo
06:56<babilen>bschindler: ← pick your poison (it doesn't really matter, but make sure to install the -dev if you want to link against it)
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06:59<bschindler>I think I have installed that thing
06:59<bschindler>or better, backported/built it
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06:59<bschindler>but the binaries it provides doesn't seem to offer the libjpeg interface
06:59<babilen>bschindler: Why do you think so? What *exactly* are you doing and what have you done?
07:00<bschindler>okay, I have an app that requires the JCS_EXTENSIONS it provides
07:00<bschindler>these are some color conversion routines which make jpeg compression a lot faster
07:00<bschindler>the basic libjpeg installed by debian does not provide those
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07:01<bschindler>on the gentoo box I used to have (and on the ubuntu laptop), libjpeg-turbo completely replaced the old libjpeg8 as a drop in replacement
07:01<bschindler>and there this works just fine
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07:01<bschindler>so what I need is a libjpeg with these extensions
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07:02<bschindler>libjpeg-turbo supposedly has this. BUT, when I look at the deb I built, it just linstalls libturbojpeg and turbojpeg.h, which have a completely different API
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07:02<jm_>so first check the copyright file to see if this is the lib you are actually looking for
07:02<babilen>bschindler: You might want to read -- I am not sure if it simply is a drop-in replacement and what the ramifications are of installing that package on wheezy.
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07:08<bschindler>babilen, it seems form the latest comments, that they are working on replacing it... at least #90 seems to indicate so
07:10<stdhell> "At this time, we do not see a similar need to emulate the libjpeg v9 API/ABI, and this article attempts to explain our justification for that decision."
07:12<babilen>bschindler: I simply wanted to provide some background information on this within the context of Debian. Frankly, I personally don't really care about this particular issue and am therefore most likely the wrong person to ask for advice.
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07:12<bschindler>sure, I don't complain about you ;)
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07:13<bschindler>its just - it makes it really complicated for me. If ANY dependency of my software uses default libjpeg, I'm busted
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07:15<bschindler>babilen, but my thinking is right, that the version currently in stable debian, libjpeg8 implements just version 8
07:15<bschindler>and not the problematic version 9
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07:20<babilen>bschindler: nfc, but there is some logic in your logic ;)
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07:25<stdhell>bschindler: Maybe I missed it, but have you tried building libjpeg-turbo yourself?
07:26<bschindler>stdhell, I of course can do that. The problem is, there are dependencies which link agains libjpeg
07:26<bschindler>so if some libs from my app use libjpeg-turbo, and others libjpeg, that will be ugnly
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07:29<stdhell>True, it might be ugly. At least at first. You could try to patch those libraries and make them use libjpeg-turbo instead.
07:30<bschindler>you mean, just copy the built libjpeg and replace the system one?
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07:31<stdhell>I hope they're not using the same name?
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07:31<bschindler>so name? Well, you can choose that
07:31<bschindler>but symbol names? Yes of course because they're (apart from the smartscale issue) binary compatible
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07:38<stdhell>bschindler: You said some of the libraries you're using might be using libjpeg. Would it be easy to make them use libjpeg-turbo instead? As far as I can tell (from less than 30 minutes of reading about this) it seems libjpeg-turbo is what people should be using, so maybe the developers of the libraries that are currently using libjpeg would be willing to switch to libjpeg-turbo instead.
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07:39<cwX>Hello! Q: Does anyone have md5sum for sshd amd64 stable debian?
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07:41<stdhell>cwX: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.md5sums
07:41<cwX>But if it is compromised I need someone elses
07:42<bschindler>stdhell, I have to carefully check but you might be right that the situation isn't as bad as it seems and I can just build and out-of-tree version and link against that
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07:42<tgs3_>for every software I use in debian the unstrea says - xxxx is acient, you must upgrade
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07:43<tgs3_>like clang. how to use clang 3.2 on my debian (stable)?
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07:44<stdhell>cwX: wget ; ar x openssh-server_6.0p1-4_amd64.deb ; tar -xf control.tar.gz ; less md5sums
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07:45<stdhell>cwX: Or in short: e3305c8ae035d81d75cf0d4ea2ba1131
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07:46<stdhell>I wonder if he would have noticed, if I had changed one of the digits...
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07:51<tgs3_>woah, rebel.
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08:27<anonion>How can I get i386 and amd64 ports support on same system?
08:27<anonion>Only by copying the different files and edit boot menu, will it work?
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08:29<devil_>anonion: can you explain that in a different way?
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08:30<anonion>I mean the way switching between 32 bit and 64 bit easily on the same system.
08:31<anonion>on one root partition
08:31<jm_>no you can't do that easily
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08:32<jm_>but why do you need that?
08:32<anonion>some other linux dists do
08:33<stdhell>Really? On the same root partition?
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08:33<anonion>with both 32 and 64 kernel
08:34<anonion>you just need to select which from boot menu
08:34<jm_>debian makes it easy to use either a 32 or a 64 bit kernel too if that's what you're after, but this is hardly what you're describing
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08:35<anonion>I asked a relative question here last time
08:36<anonion>both i386 and amd64 are popular ports
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08:37<anonion>I want to experience both because some programs only support one of them
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08:38<anonion>but I wonder if it's ok to run i386 program on amd64
08:39<Zaba>yes, as long as you have the necessary 32-bit libraries present, which is relatively easy to arrange with multilib
08:39<anonion>windows did, right?
08:39<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
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08:44<anonion>thanks. seem to be complicate.
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09:05<devil_>anonion: it is not
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09:12<dotix>apt-get upgrade crash after net problems, how can I continue upgrading ?
09:13<dotix>I think there is command for this, but can't remember
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09:15<bschindler>Hi - how can I temporarily make a different version of gcc the default?
09:15<towo^work>export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-version
09:16<themill>bschindler: "CC=gcc-4.x make foo" should work no non-broken build systems
09:16<devil_>dotix: dpkg-reconfigure -a
09:16<bschindler>lets hope it does for the nvidia installer...
09:16<towo^work>you should not use the nvidia-installer
09:16<bschindler>I have to
09:16<dotix>thanks devil_
09:17<towo^work>bschindler, no you havn't
09:17<bschindler>then how do I get version 319 or newer?
09:17<bschindler>tell me
09:19<babilen>bschindler: Why do you require version 319 ? It's not the latest release and it might very well be that the version in wheezy already supports your card. (what does "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" give you?)
09:19<babilen>judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms
09:19<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-1; sid/non-free: 304.108-4; experimental/non-free: 325.15-3
09:19<bschindler>the card is supported, but I need cuda 5.5 which is not supported by 304
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09:20<bschindler>so basically, there is only experimental
09:20<babilen>bschindler: It's probably not too hard to backport it from experimental by following <ssb> but with s/sid/experimental/ -- (/msg dpkg ssb)
09:20<bschindler>too bad that the latest stable is not included
09:21<babilen>You might even be able to install the experimental package directly (wouldn't necessarily recommend that on wheezy)
09:21<bschindler>because 325 is beta afaik
09:21<themill>there are a couple of other additional source packages to backport too
09:21<bschindler>but may be this will work
09:22<babilen>judd: checkbackport nvidia-graphics-drivers --fromrelease=experimental
09:22<judd>Backporting package nvidia-graphics-drivers in experimental→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
09:22<babilen>themill: I checked that ^^^ what else are you thinking about?
09:23<towo^work>bschindler, no, 325 isn't beta
09:24<themill>babilen: there are other Depends that need to be dealt with too (nvidia-cleanup-whatsis and some other nvidia-foo package)
09:24<themill>specifics are left as an exercise for the reader™
09:25<bschindler>babilen, could you please post me the link on how to do backports again? I had to switch machine
09:25<babilen>bschindler: I told you how to get that information yourself, please re-read my message and then /msg our bot dpkg
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09:31<bschindler>where are the sources for experimental hosted?
09:31<themill>same place as normal
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09:33<salvo>sn nuovo
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09:43<bschindler>hmm... what package do I have to build a backport from? nvidia-kernel-dkms is not available it seems
09:43<bschindler>okay, got it
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10:07<usrsmr>Can someone help me install USB wireless network adapter?
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10:09<usrsmr>I have installed Debian Linux 7.2.1 Wheezy two days ago.
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10:09<usrsmr>The wireless adapter is a D-Link DWA-160 B2 with Ralink chipset.
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10:11<gsimmons>dpkg: rt2800usb
10:11<dpkg>Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370, RT5372) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.31. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>.
10:11<usrsmr>VID: 0x2001
10:11<usrsmr>PID: 0x3c1a
10:11<gsimmons>usrsmr: You are required to install firmware for support of your device. The wiki page mentioned above has a procedure you can follow.
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10:12<k-man_>i have a computer with hdmi output, but i want the audio to go to the headphones, any idea how to configure that?
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10:14<TobiX>k-man_: With PulseAudio, you could try pavucontrol...
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10:17<k-man_>duh! it would help if i plugged the headphones into the headphone jack
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10:17<k-man_>but pavucontrol is also helpful, thanks tobix
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10:18<lgp171188>Hi, where can I get the netinst images for the testing release? I found, but it is not very clear if the images there are for the testing distribution
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10:19<TobiX>lgp171188: "All images linked below are for the version of Debian Installer being developed for the next Debian release and will install Debian testing ("jessie") by default."
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10:20<usrsmr>gsimmons: "rt2800usb is a driver produced by the rt2x00 project"
10:21<usrsmr>gsimmons: The thing is that I was on their project page but couldn't understand how to get this "rt2800usb" thing.
10:21<TobiX>k-man_: If you are using KDE, kmix seems to support PulseAudio nowadays, but I don't know if it supports stream-switching...
10:21<usrsmr>gsimmons: I can't say I understand now.
10:22<lgp171188>TobiX: Ah, thanks. I am embarassed I missed reading such a big and obvious notice. :)
10:22<blast007>lgp171188: from what I've heard, it's better to install stable and then upgrade from there. The 'testing' installer is for testing the installer, not for installing testing.
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10:22<k-man_>TobiX, no, i'm using gnome
10:22<usrsmr>gsimmons: Do I have to download some firmware file?
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10:23<gsimmons>usrsmr: This driver part of the Linux kernel, so your system has it already. As mentioned by dpkg (/msg dpkg ralink firmware) and the wiki page, you need to install the firmware-ralink package.
10:23<lgp171188>blast007: I usually go from stable->testing->sid, but thought that by installing testing, I can skip one step :) And I don't mind testing the testing installer :)
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10:24<maitrey>Hi, is there some way to setup microphone in wheeze kde? thx
10:27<abrotman>lgp171188: but at thisp oint, it may not work at all
10:27<lgp171188>From a minimal netinstall, what package should I install to get the standard gnome environment that debian install? From what I have seen, I think apt-get install gnome installs a lot more packages than which are installed by default.
10:27<maitrey>I mean I have pulseaudio and i've tried it through kmix. It is everything correct, but for sflphone and skype it doesnt work
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10:27<lgp171188>abrotman: I am going to have the stable netinstall image as well, just in case :)
10:29<usrsmr>gsimmons: dpkg? /msg?
10:30<usrsmr>gsimmons: It says "Add a "non-free" component to /etc/apt/sources.list,"
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10:31<usrsmr>gsimmons: Do I have to download some file first? And then follow that 2 step instruction on Wiki?
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10:31<usrsmr>ok, 4 step instruction
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10:31<usrsmr>gsimmons: I'm sorry, but I don't understand. How does this work?
10:32<usrsmr>gsimmons: The Wiki page is not telling me anything... am I supposed to type that shit in Terminal or what?
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10:33<usrsmr>gsimmons: Why doesn't it say so? And why is it pointing to that firmware page (see link above)? Am I supposed to download something there first? Why doesn't it say so?
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10:34<usrsmr>"squeeze (oldstable) (kernel): Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards"
10:34<usrsmr>"squeeze-backports (kernel): Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards"
10:35<usrsmr>"wheezy (stable) (kernel): Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards"
10:35<usrsmr>"wheezy-backports (kernel): Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards"
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10:35<usrsmr>"jessie (testing) (kernel): Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards"
10:35<usrsmr>"sid (unstable) (kernel): Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards"
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10:36<usrsmr>What is all this? Which one do I choose?
10:36<usrsmr>This isn't exactly helpful for someone who knows nothing about Linux.
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10:39<stdhell>usrsmr: Are you running squeeze, wheezy, jessie or sid?
10:40<usrsmr>stdhell: Wheezy
10:41<usrsmr>stdhell: " I have installed Debian Linux 7.2.1 Wheezy two days ago."
10:41<stdhell>So do you think you need the one for wheezy or one of the others?
10:42<usrsmr>stdhell: But there are two of them and only one of me! Heh?!
10:42<usrsmr>What the hell is a backport?...
10:42<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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10:43<stdhell>usrsmr: If you have never heard of wheezy-backport, do you really think that's the one you want?
10:43<abrotman>perhaps he'd be better suited with a distro more targetted at beginners
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10:44<supaman>yeh, perhaps to many options in Debian
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10:44<usrsmr>abrotman: And by that you mean Ubuntu? That shit won't even boot properly, yet alone install.
10:45<usrsmr>stdhell: So "stable" then?
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10:46<stdhell>If you're running wheezy, then yes, you probably need the packages for wheezy.
10:48<usrsmr>What do I do with it now?
10:48<usrsmr>stdhell: Do you care to explain "Add a "non-free" component to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example: "?
10:49<usrsmr>stdhell: Why "example"? Why not targeted instructions for what I'm looking for??...
10:49<stdhell>Do you have a "real" root account or are you using sudo?
10:49<usrsmr>"deb wheezy main contrib non-free"
10:49<usrsmr>Do I have to run this in Terminal?
10:49<usrsmr>stdhell: I installed root user during install.
10:50<stdhell>For example because it uses Maybe you want to use another mirror.
10:50<stdhell>Ok, as root: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
10:50<stdhell>Add that line. Save the file. Run apt-get update.
10:51<supaman>usrsmr: I think it can do you nothing but good to have a quick glance at this site:
10:51<usrsmr>stdhell: Mirror? Are you saying I will need a working Internet connection to access a web server to download something?... to install a wireless network adapter for Internet?... doesn't add up.
10:52<stdhell>It adds up fine... But then again, I have an ethernet connection too...
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10:53<usrsmr>stdhell: So in Root Terminal, I type in "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and hit Enter?
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10:53<stdhell>Or you could download the files on another computer and put them on a USB-stick. Or you could use one of the unofficial install images with non-free firmware packages.
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10:55<usrsmr>And then "apt-get update"?
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10:55<usrsmr>What about that "deb http://something something"? Do I need that?
10:56<stdhell>Are you asking if you need to add the line the guide told you to add?
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10:57<usrsmr>stdhell: Yes, that's what I'm asking.
10:58<stdhell>If you want to follow the guide, then yes, you should follow the guide.
10:59<usrsmr>stdhell: What? Am I dumb? Is that what you're saying? I know what the guide says. But it's usually much nicer to talk to real person who understands.
11:00<usrsmr>On the download page it says I should use Aptitude or Synaptic to download and install packages.
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11:00<usrsmr>The guide is ambiguous to say the least.
11:00<usrsmr>For someone new to Linux anyway...
11:02<gsimmons>usrsmr: The Debian Handbook is a recommended resource. Complicating your particular situation is the device itself: Debian 7 "Wheezy" released with Linux 3.2 kernel, but the chip in your DWA-160's hardware version (Ralink RT5572) is only supported by the rt2800usb driver since Linux 3.10. For your case, you would need to use a backported Linux kernel image package from wheezy-backports (to provide a later rt2800usb version), along with also ins
11:02<gsimmons>... updated firmware-ralink package from the same area. I'm sorry if this does appear confusing.
11:02<stdhell>usrsmr: I just don't get why you ask us if you should do as the guide says. If you don't want to follow the guide, why are you reading it?
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11:08<usrsmr>Jesus Christ! Am I expected to take an MSc in computing just to install a dumb device driver?
11:09<Maulkin>usrsmr: Keep it civil please
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11:10<usrsmr>Maulkin: Hey, Christ was a civilized man.
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11:11<usrsmr>I thought the IRC channel was used for help and support...
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11:11<babilen>usrsmr: Use a sources.list like and run "apt-get update"; You can then install the backported 3.10 kernel and firmware for your ralink device from backports by running "apt-get -t wheezy-backport install linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') firmware-ralink" If you require additional firmware (e.g. firmware-linux-nonfree) install that too.
11:11<babilen>usrsmr: And please, getting irate has never helped.
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11:12<chrishell>hello, why isn't LD_LIBRARY_PATH set any more?
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11:13<babilen>usrsmr: fwiw, the "uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'" in there simply figures out the architecture you are using and would result in, for example, amd64 or 686-pae or so.
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11:16<abrotman>usrsmr: there are many distros out there, many more targeted at less technical users
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11:53<usrsmr>babilen: "Reading package lists... Done"
11:53<usrsmr>babilen: "E: The value 'wheezy-backport' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources"
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11:55<chalz>does !fixmbr apply to efi booting? the commands imply they do, but the mbr part obviously implies not...
11:56<chalz>er... read the last line - "Also works for EFI!"
11:56<chalz>maybe fixgpt should point to fixmbr
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12:00<babilen>usrsmr: Please keep it in the channel
12:01<babilen>usrsmr: And paste your commands, configuration and relevant output to and supply the link
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12:04<usrsmr>babilen: Where do I go from here?
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12:05<babilen>usrsmr: May I see the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-686-pae" and "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" please?
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12:07<babilen>usrsmr: But it's simply that your package information is out of sync. linux-image-686-pae should depend on linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae not on linux-image-3.2.0-3-686-pae.
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12:17<babilen>usrsmr: Hmm, looks as if the metapackage and its dependency is a bit out of sync. You can install linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae directly right now (+ firmware) and install the corresponding metapackage (linux-image-686-pae in one or two days once it has been upgraded to depend on -4- and not -3-)
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12:17<babilen>err, no
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12:19<babilen>usrsmr: It's linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae and the linux-image-686-pae package depends on the (not yet available) -3- version. Sorry about that.
12:19<babilen>judd: v linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae
12:19<judd>Package: linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 3.10.5-1~bpo70+1
12:19<babilen>judd: depends linux-image-686-pae --release wheezy-backports
12:19<judd>Package linux-image-686-pae in wheezy-backports/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae.
12:19<babilen>judd: v linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae
12:19<judd>No package named 'linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae' was found in i386.
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12:19<babilen>usrsmr: ^^^ See :)
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12:22<usrsmr>So what then? Wrong name?
12:22<usrsmr>What do we do now?...
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12:23<babilen>I told you (17:17:27 BST) just replace linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae with linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae in that message
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12:24<usrsmr>babilen: In cat /etc/apt/sources.list?
12:25<usrsmr>I mean in "/etc/apt/sources.list"?
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12:25<babilen>no, surely not. You can install linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae and firmware-ralink from wheezy-backports, but you have to wait for a newer version of linux-image-686-pae to make it to the mirrors
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12:25<retrospectacus>usrsmr: in the "install" command, instead of linux-image-$(sed etc.
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12:26<babilen>usrsmr: Do you know how to do that or do I have to provide the exact commands? Do you understand the underlying issue and the solution?
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12:26<usrsmr>I have to wait for some kernel update? No?
12:26<usrsmr>I don't want to wait. I want to use what I can.
12:27<usrsmr>Yes, please feed me with instructions.
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12:28<babilen>usrsmr: No, the command I gave you earlier relies on the fact that linux-image-686-pae is a metapackage that always depends on the latest currently available kernel package. As the current version of linux-image-686-pae depends on linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae which is not yet available from wheezy-backports you cannot install that package right now. You can, however, install the slightly older package linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae ...
12:28<babilen>... directly and the corresponding metapackage a bit later.
12:29<babilen>usrsmr: So, that would make it "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-ralink" -- I would *strongly* recommend to familiarise yourself with Debian package management by reading
12:30<babilen>usrsmr: And install the linux-image-686-pae metapackage once the new version becomes available
12:30<babilen>usrsmr: And we typically don't like spoon feeding so try to learn a bit about the system you are about to use :)
12:31<usrsmr>babilen: So I use this command now? And the old one when new metapackage becomes available?
12:31<babilen>well, yes and no ;)
12:32<usrsmr>When will this new package become available? Date?
12:32<babilen>Use that command now and simply install linux-image-686-pae in a couple of days from wheezy-backports. No need to install the firmware packages over and over again.
12:32<babilen>usrsmr: I have no idea
12:32<usrsmr>Let's see if it borks...
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12:48<usrsmr>babilen: Why did it ask for other media (CD/DVD)?
12:48<usrsmr>"Media change: please insert the disc labeled
12:48<retrospectacus>usrsmr: he left,
12:48<usrsmr> 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20130615-21:54'
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12:49<usrsmr>in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter"
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12:49<usrsmr>retrospectacus: ok
12:49<retrospectacus>usrsmr: you can remove the CDROM line from sources.list if you'd rather get the files from the Internet
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12:49<retrospectacus>usrsmr: anyways it worked - you may reboot and choose your new Kernel at the grub screen.
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12:49<usrsmr>Can I plug in the wireless adapter now?
12:50<retrospectacus>you must reboot. You can plug it in now if you like.
12:50<usrsmr>So it will show up as a new line on Grub menu?
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13:02<usrsmr>retrospectacus: It borks now... but no WPA2 support?
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13:04<usrsmr>I boot 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae
13:04<usrsmr>I then go to Create New Wireless Network.
13:04<usrsmr>The LED is flashing.
13:05<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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13:05<usrsmr>on Wireless security it says WEP 128-bit passphrase.
13:06<retrospectacus>are you sure you want to create a network, rather than connect to an existing network?
13:06<usrsmr>I have WPA2 only and AES setup on the router.
13:06<usrsmr>No, I want to connect to an existing.
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13:06<retrospectacus>then do not choose "Create New Wireless Network"
13:06<usrsmr>So... I just created a WiFi hot spot?
13:06<retrospectacus>what network manager are you using?
13:07<usrsmr>How do I check that?
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13:07<usrsmr>The default one?
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13:07<usrsmr>Yeah, I think so.
13:07<usrsmr>Gnome is on.
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13:08<retrospectacus>I am not familiar with it but generally you click it and see visible networks. Choose yours.
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13:13<usrsmr>retrospectacus: Well, I understand now, what I did was essentially create an Access Point of my own. I have now disconnected from it.
13:13<usrsmr>retrospectacus: I then just clicked on my own network in the list (it didn't appear the first time, but I see it now).
13:14<usrsmr>I provided my key and now I'm connected and I can access and so I know it works now.
13:14<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate usrsmr
13:14<dpkg>Yay usrsmr, you did it!
13:15<usrsmr>Thank you all for your help!
13:15<retrospectacus>you got it
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13:16<usrsmr>I promise to RTFM from now on so you don't have to spoon feed me with commands. ;)
13:16<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>, <introduction>.
13:17<usrsmr>I just wanted to hook up wirelessly before I start exploring the new OS.
13:17<usrsmr>But I'll keep the network cable close at hand, just in case. :)
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13:19<usrsmr>retrospectacus: So I will have to boot with "3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae" from now on? Whenever I want to connect wirelessly?
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13:19<retrospectacus>yes. From now on
13:21<usrsmr>So I can remove 3.2.0... ?
13:21<usrsmr>Altogether or just from the menu?
13:21<usrsmr>From Grub?
13:22<retrospectacus>you should keep it just in case something won't work on the new one, you can boot the old one to investigate
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13:23<usrsmr>OK then. I'll let it be.
13:23<usrsmr>Again, thanks for your help! And thanks to babilen!
13:24<retrospectacus>any time
13:24<wintermute_>Hi is there any tool for kde to switch channels like front and rear on a soundcard ?
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13:58<edo>has anybody here got experience with making silverlight apps working in debian?
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14:01<retrospectacus>edo: short answer: no
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14:15<lgp171188>How do I add a pre-defined set of dns servers to the list provided by dhcp? I know I have to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, but I don't know what to edit
14:15<dpkg>i heard resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>.
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14:22<lgp171188>retrospectacus: I found it out. It is "prepend domain-name-servers" directive in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. Thanks.
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14:28<angelo>hi .. I have a problem, now I have stolen pc, do you know if there is a way to succeed him find via the internet? I need some specific data?Please let me know if there is some way .. thank you very much
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15:04<kraiskil>I just got something that I'd describe as a "white screen of death" when booting (this) debian machine. Rebooted, and now it works just fine. I didn't know there was even such a screen, and googling for "white screen of death" doesn't pop it up. Can anyone tell me what draws that screen?
15:05<kraiskil>its completely white, with a small computer icon that looks like the old iMac, with a sad face
15:05<kraiskil>and some text "contact your sysadmin"
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15:05<kraiskil>syslog shows a kernel "oops"
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15:07<SamB>kraiskil: I don't suppose you're using systemd?
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15:07<kraiskil>SamB, I have no clue :)
15:07<kraiskil>debian wheezy, clean install
15:07<SamB>okay, that's not it then
15:08*SamB goes to google graphical oops
15:08*SamB decides to add linux ...
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15:09<retrospectacus>sounds like a gnome session issue. check Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors
15:09<retrospectacus>and show/paste the kernel oops from syslog
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15:12<kraiskil>Hmm - Xorg.0.log says nothing (guess it is this sessions' log?), but Xorg.1.log tries to load nvidia driver (I have a radeon card), and says "no screens found" :)
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15:14<retrospectacus>oh right
15:15<kraiskil>the kernel error, for the record:
15:15<retrospectacus>well ofc nvidia will not work on a radeon
15:16<kraiskil>so a) why does it try to load it, and b) why does it work now?
15:16<kraiskil>oh, well, I'll try to remove it..
15:17<kraiskil>but it was a terribly Mac OS9-sort of moment there :)
15:17<retrospectacus>you tell us
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15:18<kraiskil>I have no file "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
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15:18<retrospectacus>look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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15:19<kraiskil>no such folder
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15:20<kraiskil>there is an old backup file "/etc/X11/xorg.conf-nvidia". but surely X doesn't read that?
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15:26<kraiskil>hmm - xorg.1.log was older. "xorg.0.log.old" looks clean (no nvidia stuff there)
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16:50<mbaragiola>suddenly evolution-adressbook-factory decides to eat all my RAM
16:50<mbaragiola>anyone saw this before?
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16:55<EmleyMoor>What backup software is good for a group of Debian systems one of which needs to collate on its own?
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16:55<edhelas>hi everyone
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16:57<edhelas>I've got an issue with the dotclear package :)
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16:57<EmleyMoor>I've been using flexbackup but it seems to be abandoned
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17:07<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... BackupPC sounds like it might be good...
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17:16<retrospectacus>!tell edhelas about ask
17:17<edhelas>thanks :)
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17:56<cae>what's the 'dpkg -S hello' for packages not installed? I mean without looking at
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17:56<dpkg>apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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17:57<cae>I know apt-file... so it does that too? I'll check
17:57<retrospectacus>perhaps you meant "dpkg -L hello"
17:58<cae>oh, you're right, retrospectacus, I wanted to get the -L feature
17:58<cae>"show me a list of all files in that package"
17:58<retrospectacus>it does do that too, with "apt-file list hello" iirc
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17:59<cae>apt-file(1) "list ... This action is very close to the dpkg -L command except the package does not need to be installed or fetched."
17:59<cae>exactly. Thanks retrospectacus
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18:00<shirish>umm... can anybody tell how to make .zip file via CLI ?
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18:00<shirish>a .zip archive I meant.
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18:02<cae>shirish: using zip(1)?
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18:02<cae>$ zip file-a file-b file-c
18:02<shirish>cae: just did it, found
18:03<shirish>cae: thanx, was looking for the same.
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18:23<EmleyMoor>Since when was "enterprise grade" another way of saying "non-functional rubbish"? backuppc could not be made to perform for me at all
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18:34<nutron>Been a while since I've used wifi cards, but I just installed wheezy on a box with wifi connectivity and it worked a treat. (kudos to the install devels!), anyway after install I see that there is a device named wlan0 through ifconfig but the /etc/network/interfaces contains no pertinent data. This is an atheros chipset. So what do I do to turn it back on again?
18:35<sney>if you want to use interfaces, read 'man 5 interfaces' and populate that file yourself
18:35<sney>there are a handful of daemons that can do dynamic configuration as well
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18:38<nutron>sney: aye, so I can specify the wpa password in there?
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18:38<sney>iirc yes. you'll also need wpasupplicant installed if it isn't already
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18:42<mjrosenb>I'm having issues with hplip, where scanning a file ignores the resolution, and just about everything I put on the command line.
18:43<mjrosenb>has anyone else seen/fixed a problem like this in the past?
18:45<EmleyMoor>What's a good, easy but sophisticated backup tool for Debian?
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19:06<EmleyMoor>Every backup system I look at has either a shortcoming or is way over the top
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19:08<EmleyMoor>Hmmm - burp that isn't bloody useless routing protocol
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19:16<mshuler>personally, I use rsync for backups to local drives and an NFS server, and then use duplicity with gpg encryption to AWS S3 from said local NFS server
19:17<mshuler>multiple local backups to other devices and server give me quick recovery, if needed, and if my house burns down, it's all in S3
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20:17<brunost>hi! can anybody help me sort out how to set up subdomains on my debian webserver?
20:18<brunost>it only needs to function locally
20:18<brunost>and I can access the webserver by the hostname of the machine
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20:50<mjrosenb>brunost: what web server are you using?
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21:07<locsmif>Hi all. Is SELinux built into the Debian kernel by default?
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21:11<SamB>locsmif: I think not
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21:20<locsmif>SamB: ah. I was looking for a policy statement of some sort, if there is one :)
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21:26<mshuler>what do you mean by "policy statement" - some sort of official document that states Debian's opinion on selinux? such a thing does not exist, however, there is some documentation on setting it up, possible issues, etc.
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21:29<sney>locsmif: basically, something that is a good idea for certain use cases may cause weird or unwanted behavior for others. and Debian is meant to be universal.
21:29<sney>selinux is available to you if you want to use it.
21:30<mshuler>and selinux *is* in the default debian kernel packages (not sure since what version..)
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21:34<locsmif>sney: ah, okay. mshuler, thanks for clearing that up :)
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23:22<cxd1>Does anyone know how the Alfa AWUS036H performs with linux? Or what a good wifi adapter is to use? I'm tired of having to use ndiswrapper.
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23:25<cxd1>any advice on that wifi adapter or others that would be good to use with debian?
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23:27<TheMadMechanic>Hello, I'm new to Debian and the apt-get system (Arch Linux user) When I update/upgrade it notifies me of unused packages which can be removed with apt-get autoremove. Is there a means of staying that I want to keep these specific packages?
23:27<Nemoder>mark them for installation
23:28<TheMadMechanic>I ran apt-get install followed by the list of files but it's still marking them for autoremove
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23:28<Nemoder>i'd recommend using aptitude
23:29<Nemoder>then you can just go down the list and mark for installation any it suggests removing
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23:29*dpkg stands back: arrrr barf! barf!
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23:29<TheMadMechanic>I'll check aptitude then, thanks!
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23:32<TheMadMechanic>aptitude fixed it, thank you :-)
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23:39<cxd1>why is it that when you try to remove a package it tries to uninstall half your system?
23:39<cxd1>sometimes, that is
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23:48<Nemoder>because it is an important package?
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23:51<molor>hey does anyone now with this error(?) means: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `50-wacom.conf', needed by `all-am'. Stop.
23:51<molor>. im trying to make my touchscreen and it buttons work for my tablet/pc
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23:52<Nemoder>what program are you trying to compile?
23:53<molor>not prog
23:54<molor>this is what im compiling in/from: xf86-input-wacom
23:54<Nemoder>the xserver-xorg-input-wacom package does not work?
23:55<molor>well i type <./configure>, does its thing, the i type make, and the above errors
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