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---Logopened Wed Oct 02 00:00:03 2013
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00:26<lgp171188>Hi on a debian unstable installation, how do I configure debian to store the local time to the hardware clock so that on a dual boot setup with Windows, the time displays correctly on both the operating systems?
00:26<retrospectacus>!windows utc
00:26<dpkg>Setting the BIOS clock to <UTC> is a little more difficult if you dual-boot with legacy operating systems that think that local time is a good choice. Windows can be instructed to handle a BIOS clock in UTC too:
00:26<dcdeathscythe>Is there a way to use both line-in and mic inputs simultaneously in pulse audio, currently I have audio running in but wanting to use my mic for voip. I can only use one at a time.
00:28<lgp171188>retrospectacus: I don't want to do it in Windows. Is there a way to do it in Debian?
00:29<retrospectacus>lgp171188: yes: set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock)
00:30<lgp171188>retrospectacus: Thank you. A lot of the resources on the internet mention setting UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS, but I couldn't remember doing that. :)
00:30<retrospectacus>that is the old way
00:31<lgp171188>I opened /etc/adjtime and it already has LOCAL. So I guess the time will be shown correctly on both operating systems with a dual boot setup involving Windows. Thanks for your help :)
00:34<rjsalts> seems to say windows doesn't use UTC because it might break things and we don't trust our users
00:34<rjsalts>at least if Raymond Chen is to be believed
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01:22<Guest985>hablo español
01:22<Guest985>no por que
01:22<Guest985>me cambio el nombreee??
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01:22<Guest985>no gustar
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01:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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01:39<thief_and_a_liar>the Fn button is not supposed to work in linux?
01:43<dcraig>no Fn way
01:43<EmleyMoor>thief_and_a_liar: As in the key on a laptop that makes some keys take on other functions? It is mostly supposed to work, how well depends on the particular laptop
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01:51<EmleyMoor>What's a good, workable, sane and not too "over the top" backup tool for use with Debian, that writes its backups to a directory?
01:51<EmleyMoor>(I'm looking for an alternative to flexbackup, which has a strange bug and is abandoned.)
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01:53<EmleyMoor>dcraig: Hmmm... will have to have a close look at that.
01:54<EmleyMoor>(not convinced it's "sane" but not to say I won't be convinced)
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02:03<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I can't see an easy way to work one filesystem at a time with that
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02:05<rjsalts>EmleyMoor: sounds cool, but it's not directory based
02:06<rjsalts>EmleyMoor: you don't want dump?
02:07<EmleyMoor>rjsalts: If dump is safe and suitable for all I want to do, it would be ideal...
02:07<rjsalts>EmleyMoor: if you're talking about backing up whole filesystems
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02:08<EmleyMoor>Very happy to try dump
02:08<rjsalts>EmleyMoor: you'd need to be using lvm for dump to be effective. you need to snapshot the filesystem when you run dump
02:09<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... and is it for ext[2-4] only?
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02:09<rjsalts>EmleyMoor: dump itself is. but xfsdump is equivalent for xfs
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02:10<EmleyMoor>How about ufs, ntfs and vfat, possibly through libguestfs?
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02:13<rjsalts>EmleyMoor: it has to understand the filesystem. There is a dump for ufs, and possibly equivalent tools for ntfs, but vfat probably doesn't have a tool
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02:14<rjsalts>EmleyMoor: and a dump backup accesses the partition directly
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02:15<rjsalts>EmleyMoor: e.g. /dev/sda5 /dev/hostname/root ...
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02:34<LosMilton>Hi HEllo! Hola! visit tanks! Like! si les gusta!
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02:35<Jp159>Hello! Anybody knows Which may be the reason that my VPN connection is rejected at ten seconds after connecting my server via PPTP?
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03:07<tinlee>which channel is android?
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03:12<dpkg>Android is a Linux-based operating system for mobile devices. #android on For the related font family, ask me about <droid>. See also <adb>.
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04:53<vj_ccie_sec>hw cn i install gns 3
04:55<Maulkin>apt-get install gns3
04:56<Maulkin>Or install it in your package manager.
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04:58<vj_ccie_sec>yok i gt it installed
04:58<vj_ccie_sec>and also gt dynamips
04:59<vj_ccie_sec>and gt qemu working properly
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04:59<vj_ccie_sec>bt broh qemu i hav complied is old version
04:59<vj_ccie_sec>an for nw version i gt patch bt
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04:59<vj_ccie_sec>i dont knw to can i apply!
05:00<vj_ccie_sec>to qemu
05:00<Maulkin>I really am struggling to understand what you're saying - can you try full words rather than abbreviating them please?
05:00<vj_ccie_sec>pls help
05:00<Maulkin>Right, firstly - what version of Debian are you running?
05:01<vj_ccie_sec>how can i check dat??
05:01<Maulkin>Do you have access to a terminal?
05:01<vj_ccie_sec>i am new to this OS
05:01<vj_ccie_sec>now ?
05:01<Maulkin>ok, what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say?
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05:03<Maulkin>It sounds like you've not updated in a long time - how did you install Debian?
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05:03<vj_ccie_sec>i got it from one of my friend!
05:03<Maulkin>Are you in a position to reinstall it? That'll be the easiest way of getting you back to something normal.
05:03<vj_ccie_sec>how can i update my debian?
05:04<vj_ccie_sec>yea i can reinstall
05:04<vj_ccie_sec>but how em suppose to get update!
05:05<vj_ccie_sec>reinstalling will revert all updates i hav installed
05:05<bernat>Maulkin: he should be able to update to wheezy from a pure wheezy/sid, shouldn't he?
05:06<Maulkin>bernat: *possibly*
05:06<Maulkin>vj_ccie_sec: Well, we can try an update.
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05:06<Maulkin>vj_ccie_sec: Can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list into
05:06<vj_ccie_sec>what will happen with that??
05:07<Maulkin>vj_ccie_sec: It'll let me see what you're running.
05:07<vj_ccie_sec>Maulkin : command not found
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05:09<Maulkin>vj_ccie_sec: "xdg-open /etc/apt/sources.list"
05:09<Maulkin>vj_ccie_sec: then copy and paste that into
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05:13<vj_ccie_sec>i got the sources ! but please let me know how does that help me ??
05:13<vj_ccie_sec>with my debian update?
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06:00<ilya80>Hi guys! Looking for anyone who had gone through building and running prprietary ralink wifi drivers, please msg. Thanks!
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06:08<Maulkin>ilya80: Firstly, we don't really do private messages here.
06:08<Maulkin>ilya80: Secondly, we can't really help with proprietary drivers. Have a look at something like
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06:10<ilya80>Maulkin: I was trying to get to the bot as per
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06:12<Maulkin>!tell ilya80 about ralink
06:12<Maulkin>ilya80: See your message
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06:22<bejker>can someone tell me why debian install is on 3dvd?
06:23<bejker>or just to install os i need first dvd?
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06:23<wompa>bejker, if you have a stable Internet connection you only need the netinstall cd
06:23<stdhell>You don't even need the first dvd. The first CD is enough... Actually the netinstall CD is enough.
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06:25<bejker>i have stable internet connection but low
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06:25<bejker>so i thing all x-server i can download
06:26<bejker>nad, debian is ok to desktop?
06:27<stdhell>Yes, some of us use Debian on our desktop.
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06:28<bejker>if i good remmember i have some old netinstall burned in cd (7-8years old) is any diferent beetwen thise new netinstal in http/ftp ?
06:28<wompa>yes, you get Debian Wheezy now
06:28<bejker>whats the diferent in couple words?
06:29<bejker>i have netinstall lenny
06:29<bejker>testing is it if i good remmember
06:29<babilen>Yes, lenny is quite old and no longer supported. You really want to use wheezy for new installations.
06:29<babilen>dpkg: tell bejker -about install debian
06:29<babilen>dpkg: tell bejker -about firmware image
06:29<babilen>dpkg: tell bejker -about installer firmware
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06:30<babilen>bejker: Are you planning to install from USB or CD? On what kind of hardware are you installing? Do you already know which (if any) desktop environment you would like to use out of Gnome, KDE, XFCE or LXDE?
06:30<bejker>right know i have ubuntu with kde and i think is shit :) so i want to change os and i realy think about change to debian
06:31<babilen>bejker: Sure, that's perfectly fine.
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06:32<bejker>i have one usb 8gb so is no problem to get usb-install and couple blank dvd
06:32<babilen>What do you plan to use?
06:32<bejker>just to desktop
06:32<babilen>Yes, but you will still have to decide at one point if you'll burn the installer to CD/DVD or if you'll copy it to a USB stick :)
06:33<bejker>and maby some sshd to my wife, apache for website
06:33<dhaval>hey guys, my ubuntu software center is not working...can you please help me to fix the problem?
06:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
06:33<bejker>dhaval: go to /server #ubuntu
06:34<bejker>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian <- thise is realy right
06:34<dhaval>sure, will try and let you know
06:34<bejker>a lot of stuff marked for debian is not working in ubuntu
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06:35<dhaval>It works!
06:35<dhaval>This is the default web page for this server.
06:35<dhaval>The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet. THIS IS WHAT I RECEIVED AFTER CLICKED ON
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06:36<bejker>babilen: so u think will be perfect for me netinstall?
06:37<dhaval>Bejker: can you please reply?
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06:37<bejker>dhaval: type /join #ubuntu
06:37<dhaval>in the terminal?
06:38<bejker>in terminal type irssi -c
06:38<bejker>then type /join #ubuntu
06:38<bejker>have fun with ubuntu ;]
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06:39<bejker>today i put ubuntu in /dev/null
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07:28<dijak>o raja
07:28<dijak>sta imacare
07:28<dijak>ke pasa amigo?
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08:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:27<CRASH26>help set
08:27<blast007>CRASH26: do you have a Debian support question?
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08:33<CRASH26>need tips how to play this IRC
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08:34<stdhell>You type your debian question. We try to answer.
08:34<stdhell>Pretty simple game...
08:35<babilen>dpkg: tell CRASH26 -about irc tutorial
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08:35<babilen>CRASH26: This is a technical support channel for Debian ( users and not a general IRC help one. Please read the private message you received and take it to a more appropriate channel or network. Thanks.
08:36<tgs3_>with use of /etc/security/limits.conf for example, on debian, how to allow user foo to run processes at nice -19 ? Setting soft and hard limits in that file for that user didn't seem to worked after relogging to that user
08:36<sx>hi, i'm trying to boot from a debian netinst cd image, with grub 2 installed on a usb stick. it works fine and i get to the debian installer, but then it tells me that it's missing a cd, what am i doing wrong? i use the following kernel parameters "bboot=live iso-scan/filename=/boot/iso/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso noeject noprompt locale=de_DE console-setup/layoutcode=de video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=791 --" or "video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=791 --" bo
08:36<sx>th with the same result
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08:39<babilen>sx: first and foremost: Don't use the testing installer as nobody expects that to work at this point in the release cycle.
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08:41<birch>[40095.821084] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung
08:41<birch>[40095.821093] [drm] capturing error event; look for more information in /debug/dri/0/i915_error_state
08:41<birch> That file doesn't exist, any suggestions?
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08:41<sx>babilen: fine, maybe i try stable then, i chose it because i need recent software version (but i'm new to debian)
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08:42<babilen>sx: You can use the stable installer to install testing, but the recommended way to go is to install a (minimal, just standard task) wheezy system and to upgrade that to testing. I also wouldn't necessarily recommend running testing to people who are new to Debian.
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08:44<sx>babilen: k, thank you
08:44<babilen>sx: You might want to read as tips in there apply to jessie (testing) too. Installations from USB are covered in the installation guide on and instalaltions from harddisk in
08:45<babilen>dpkg: tell sx -about wheezy->jessie
08:47<sx>babilen: i've read those, but none of them covers booting from an iso image (i'm still not sure whether that requires anything special from the iso image)
08:49<babilen>sx: No idea, not sure if you can actually boot it like that. You might want to discuss it in #debian-boot as I've only ever either directly installed from the USB (simply by writing our hybrid images directly to the USB) or by using the "flexible" way.
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08:51<babilen>sx: But please try an installer first that is *supposed* to work. merci :)
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09:09<ilya80>Oh hai!
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09:58<CQ>anyone up for a RAID question? I have 4 disks (2x2TB, 2x1TB) that I want to use. Should I raid5 4x1tb and then use LVM on top of that? or a smaller boot RAID and the rest for data? or ... ?
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10:28<newbie3>hello all! I need some hwlp with iptables. I'm new with it, and I have a machine with 2 LAN interfaces. One at LAN and other connected at internet Modem (I called it WAN). This machine routes the internet trafic. I have a machine with a software who needs some ports, and the NAT table isn't working. I don't know how to do it with iptables. I just n
10:28<newbie3>eed forward the ports in and out. Here is my actual iptables rules:
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10:30<otak>as another newbie, I recommend ufw
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10:34<babilen>newbie3: Might ask in ##netfilter on and read the excellent documentation linked in their /topic
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10:38<newbie3>babilen: thanks! :D
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10:39<CQ>when mdstat lists blocks, what blocksize are they? automatically 1024?
10:39<CQ>i.e. 261952 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
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11:03<QBANIN>I need some help regardin btrfs configuration :)
11:04<mtn>QBANIN: ask your question and if anyone can help, they will
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11:04<QBANIN>mhm... so, I have 2 dmcrypt/luks @ ex4 disks
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11:05<QBANIN>mounted in 2 separated subfolders in /home dir
11:05<QBANIN>at logon (pam_mount)
11:06<QBANIN>I'd like to convert both of them to btrfs and join in brtfs raid 0
11:06<QBANIN>is it possible?
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11:06<QBANIN>(still encrypted and mounted with pam_mount)
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11:10<retrospectacus>QBANIN: is it not possible?
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11:11<QBANIN>I tried to test such config on external usb disk
11:11<QBANIN>but the problem is
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11:12<QBANIN>that btrfs raid0 doesn't appear in /dev (i.e /dev/md0) before each of 2 disk are decrypred
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11:14<QBANIN>ok, enter :), so... if I set up 2 encypted btrfs disk in pam_mount they, they get decrypted at login and mounted as 2 SEPARATE disks, not raid0. I don't know how to tell the system to decrypt them, join in raid0 and then mount
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11:16<QBANIN>it doesn't work like a normal doft raid 0 (mdadm) and the btrfs raid is not auto-detected @ login
11:17<QBANIN>any advice? :)
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12:02<te0>got a question.. anyone can help me plz?
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12:02<mtn>te0: we won't know until you ask your question
12:04<te0>I'm trying to install Apache and don't know if I should compile it (./configure, make...) or apt-get install apache2
12:04<te0>what's the difference? what's better?
12:05<mtn>te0: you should always use the packages that come with debian, unless you have a very good reason not to
12:05<gusnan>te0: If compiling it by hand, you'll have to take care of security fixes yourself.
12:06<te0>so for a newie like me is better apt-get...
12:06<te0>I guest then than in production environment sysadmins compile it
12:06<te0>am I right?
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12:07<retrospectacus>everyone should use apt-get, production environment sysadmins apt-get install it too
12:07<retrospectacus>for everything, not just apache
12:08<te0>ok I see...
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12:08<te0>I guess apt make the compilation for us then
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12:09<retrospectacus>no, it downloads a pre-compiled package
12:09<te0>for the dist that you're using...
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12:09<te0>in this case debian
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12:10<te0>thx guys
12:10<retrospectacus>for the architecture that you're using
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12:10<retrospectacus>if the dist is not debian all bets are off, outside of the scope of this channel.
12:11<te0>I know, thx for helping me
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12:12<te0>it's debian!
12:12<retrospectacus>for example on gentoo, the package manager downloads source and compiles it, as you said
12:12<retrospectacus>big waste of time and power
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12:13<te0>so apt first identify your architecture and then download the proper compilation?
12:13<ilya80>[offtopic] might be its compiling it with march=native resulting in improvements [/offtopic]
12:14<retrospectacus>te0: apt/dpkg knows your architecture, yes
12:14<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell ilya80 about diminishing returns on bogomips
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12:16<te0>that's interesting... appreciate your help, thx again
12:16<retrospectacus>you're welcome.
12:17<klando>how can I rebuild libc6-dev package with a './configure --with-headers=....' ?
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12:17<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell klando about package recompile
12:18<klando>retrospectacus, that I know. I wonder how to add configure parameters in this process ?
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12:19<retrospectacus>you edit something or other in the debian/ directory
12:19<retrospectacus>control or rules or so
12:19<retrospectacus>not control. config
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12:21<SoundStation>Guys can anybody please help me to fix the problem of ubuntu software center (FYI I am using Ubuntu Studio 12)
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12:22<klando>retrospectacus, LINUX_HEADERS=... debuild -us -uc should do it
12:22<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc SoundStation
12:22<dpkg>SoundStation: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
12:22<SoundStation>ok sir
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12:24<retrospectacus>klando: ok. Let us know how it goes
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13:09<CQ>how do you best combine raid and lvm? I have 2x2tb and 2x1tb .... raid1 the pairs, and then raid0 then lvm, or just raid1 and then lvm?
13:12<blast007>CQ: what are you trying to achieve?
13:12<CQ>some redundancy and 2tb storage space
13:12<CQ>for a home server
13:12<CQ>err, 3tb storage
13:12<CQ>question is what's easier to repair when a disk dies
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13:28<AgentC>Hi. I have problems with SSH login by handy to my server using midSSH, port-access is given free (22) but it says error opening socket. what to do ?
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13:29<Agentc_handy>Java works
13:30<petn-randall>CQ: Two RAID1 pairs, add them as PV, use the larger RAID first.
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13:30<petn-randall>CQ: You can't stripe a RAID0 over them, as the first RAID is 2TB and the second one is 1TB.
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13:31<lac_>writing udev rules: any difference between 'ATTR' and 'ATTRS' and 'SUBSYSTEM' and 'SUBSYSTEMS' ?
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13:32<CQ>petn-randall: ah, missed the "spreads data evenly" part. thanks
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13:33<petn-randall>lac_: Doesn't the man page cover that?
13:34<lac_>not the man page for udev, at any rate.
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13:35<Agentc_handy>I need it for remote access
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13:40<retrospectacus>Agentc_handy: what are "handy" and "midSSH"? can you use the standard ssh client successfully?
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13:41<AgentC>retrospectacus: midSSH is a java based SSH client for mobile phones.
13:41<AgentC>retrospectacus: the software was working before on an other machine, so problem is on server-side
13:42<lac_>ah, old man page, sorry.
13:42<retrospectacus>AgentC: can you access it by ssh from another client? Are you trying root or a user? Check auth.log
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13:42<houms>is this on an android mobile phone?
13:43<AgentC>retrospectacus: tried for root-login
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13:43<CQ>anyone here using Xen? can you get the domUs fullscreen on the console (and switch between them)?
13:45<houms>i am not but depending on what you are trying to do you could use something like screen,tmux,byobu
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13:46<AgentC>retrospectacus: auth.log : session opened, session closed, directly at same minute
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13:47<retrospectacus>AgentC: are you connecting through WiFi or your cellphone provider
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13:47<AgentC>retrospectacus: netzclub mobile
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13:49<retrospectacus>AgentC: I use the "irssi connectbot" app. Try that, try wifi (maybe netzclub is blocking something), try another client like a PC, try a normal user instead of root
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13:51<AgentC>retrospectacus: my phone does not provide a wifi interface
13:52<AgentC>retrospectacus: samsung GT-S3650
13:53<AgentC>retrospectacus: irssi? where to download?
13:53<retrospectacus>through your phone OS "market"
13:54<retrospectacus>you failed to say what it is
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13:55<AgentC>on phone there is message : "session error , writer: error 0 in socket::open"
13:56<retrospectacus>does the client work with other servers? does the server work with other clients?
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13:56<AgentC>i'll try
13:57<AgentC>just a moment, must go to neighbor a moment, but handy is on my side
13:57<AgentC>it is just a little bit difficult to type in text on that kind of phone
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13:58<AgentC>where to download a better java ssh client ?
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14:00<bnwkeys>I'm needing some help getting dual monitors set up on Deb7. I have a laptop with ATI Radeon Xpress 200M card, and have already installed the firmware-linux-nonfree for the gnome3 environment to work properly.
14:00<LucidGuy>samba/ldap/windows question: Is sambaSID the equivalent of linux uidNumber, and gidNumber/sambaPrimaryGroupSID
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14:02<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: what's the problem
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14:04<petn-randall>bnwkeys: You should be able to set up dual screen in the system settings.
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14:06<Marquito>Hola Gente adictos a linuk
14:06<retrospectacus>hi wheeler
14:07<retrospectacus>Marquito: English please.
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14:07<Marquito>Alguien de Argentina??
14:07<bnwkeys>retrospectacus, petn-randall, This worked out of the box on ubuntu. When I connected the monitor the first time, X messed up and glitched both screens. On reboot it now only works when mirroring the screen. If I turn on mirroring and add the second desktop, X glitches out again and can't see either the laptop or monitor screen.
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14:07<wheeler>I have two disks in my pc, but my Debian is installed on the second disk (/dev/sdb) I want to remove first drive (/dev/sda). I'd like to know if /dev/sdb will change into /dev/sda
14:08<retrospectacus>!es Marquito
14:08<dpkg>Marquito: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
14:08<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: guessing you should install the fglrx driver
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14:09<retrospectacus>wheeler: it might; shouldn't matter if you are using UUID. You may need to install grub on sdb
14:09<petn-randall>bnwkeys: Check the Xorg.0.log for errors, as well as the kern.log. You might alleviate the problem by installing a backports kernel.
14:09<retrospectacus>it will*
14:10<bnwkeys>retrospectacus: do you know how i can check to see which driver is currently installed? I assumed its the fglrx driver already stock since I can't even find the proprietary driver for my graphics card.
14:10<wheeler>oh, thanx
14:10<bnwkeys>petn-randall: will check logs, brb
14:10<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: debian does not come with closed drivers "stock"
14:11<retrospectacus>not even available - you must enable "non-free"
14:11<Agentc_handy>I talk to you later retrospectactus
14:11<petn-randall>bnwkeys: The contrib and non-free archive aren't activated on a default install.
14:12<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: I recommend to try first with firmware-linux-nonfree and then fglrx if that doesn 't work
14:12<bnwkeys>I already installed firmware-linux-nonfree, that is not what you are talking about?
14:12<petn-randall>bnwkeys: 'fglrx-driver'
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14:13<petn-randall>bnwkeys: How did you install firmware-linux-nonfree?
14:13<bnwkeys>petn: synaptic package manager
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14:14<petn-randall>bnwkeys: (btw, you can use tab in most irc clients to autocomplete nicks, 'petn' doesn't highlight me)
14:14<bnwkeys>petn-randall, cool thanks
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14:17<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell bnwkeys about flgrx dkms
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14:20<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell bnwkeys about fglrx dkms
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14:21<bnwkeys>petn-randall, retrospectacus, found logs for xorg but not sure what I'm looking for in there
14:22<bnwkeys>retrospectacus, what dpkg told me I don't really understand
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14:23<bnwkeys>ugh, linux makes noobs of us all
14:23<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: you need to install your kernel's headers and the fglrx-driver package
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14:23<phillipsjk>I am gettingh wierd errors after tyring to copy the contents of two machines to one. there is lots of space and inodes free
14:23<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: then create a file telling X to use fglrx for your video card. Then reboot
14:23<phillipsjk>man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct
14:24<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: the factoid gives the exact directions
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14:24<phillipsjk>also, mc on the one computer (possiblye fish) segfaults. when I try to copy files over.
14:25<bnwkeys>retrospectacus, Hmm, ok, I'll give it a go
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14:26<phillipsjk>is suppose I should install a video card, go to single user mode and run fsck.
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14:37<bnwkeys>sometimes I wish I hard started using linux back like 10 years ago, it takes a long while before you really understand what the hell is going on :P
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14:41<SynrG>bnwkeys: well, i think that depends in how much you immerse yourself
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14:42<equation>agreed bnwkeys and SynrG
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14:43<equation>once xp support stops and i'll have to work offline on anything related to my audio production on my xp box i'll be using stable as my main interweb workstation
14:43<equation>should be some good experience
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14:43<retrospectacus>convert it to a VM
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14:45<equation>but i don't want anything related to net connections on an xp instance for security reasons after support stops
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14:45<bnwkeys>I'm currently slowly working my way through (learn linux the hard way)
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14:45<bnwkeys>but my head starts spinning after one lesson or two
14:46<equation>anyways, i've got a problem if you guys can help me out with it
14:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:48<equation>i've got the xfce install of wheezy and i've set it to auto-login then in the xfce startup applications i have it set to run xflock4 to lock the screen
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14:48<equation>my problem is if my kvm is on another machine while the debian machine boots up i get no video upon switching back to debian
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14:49<bnwkeys>In this one command, what is that last character and is that really part of the command, >>: echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf»
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14:49<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: it is a "french quote" and no
14:50<bnwkeys>retrospectacus, makes sense now, thank you
14:50<retrospectacus>or a "right double angle quote" if you prefer
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14:51<AgentC>retrospectacus: hi again, where to get information for mobile java apps for ssh and irc , maybe there is something better then i am using. :-)
14:52<bnwkeys>moment of truth, restart time. wish me luck :P
14:52<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: good luck
14:52<AgentC>retrospectacus: currently i am using virca, and midPssh
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14:52<retrospectacus>AgentC: some forum related to your Phone OS or phone?
14:53<retrospectacus>AgentC: did you get answers to my many previous questions?
14:53<AgentC>retrospectacus: maybe, but just java app is needed, not phone specific
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14:53<retrospectacus>then uh, google
14:54<AgentC>irssc ?
14:54<AgentC>i think, sourceforge, hm ?
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14:54<retrospectacus>not a debian issue my friend
14:55<AgentC>!agentc is a lamer
14:55<dpkg>AgentC: okay
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14:55<AgentC>!forget agentc
14:55<dpkg>AgentC: i forgot agentc
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14:58<AgentC>hehe ;-) retrospectacus: i'll try
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15:01<petn-randall>phillipsjk: For starters, it would be great if you're specific. What errors are you getting? Copy+paste them to
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15:01<retrospectacus>phillipsjk: you can do "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to fix the LC_ALL thing but that's just a warning
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15:07<retrospectacus>equation: I guess X is not starting when the monitor is not connected. not sure you can do anything besides disabling gdm
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15:14<bnwkeys>Retrospectacus, well I broke my kernel... On my phone atm
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15:15<AgentC>OT: retrospectacus: is there anywhere a jar of irssi ? cant find on google.
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15:16<retrospectacus>AgentC: no.
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15:16<AgentC>retrospectacus: possible to assemble ?
15:16<retrospectacus>irssi is a CLI irc client. it's written in C/perl
15:16<AgentC>ups, ok
15:17<retrospectacus>"irssi connectbot" is an android App for using irssi remotely over ssh
15:17<AgentC>retrospectacus: does not work on my phone
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15:17<bnwkeys>On reboot I get a blinking underscore after verbose init
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15:28<bnwkeys2>What does a blinking underscore mean on boot after installing fglrx? Or maybe, how do I blacklist radeon driver if my system doesn't start with GUI. I saw no previous kernel selections in grub, do I have to wipe and reinstall Debian now?
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15:30<SamB>bnwkeys2: is that ALL you see?
15:30<SamB>no, like, words or anything?
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15:33<bnwkeys2>First I see the verbose device initialization, [OK]..[OK].. Etc. Then it clears the screen and I just get blinking underscore in top left when normally it would be loading the gui
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15:36<SamB>bnwkeys2: odd
15:36<SamB>failed mode switch I guess
15:37<bnwkeys2>This happened after installing fglrx using method in dpkg's factoid
15:37<SamB>bnwkeys2: personally, I would see the blinking underscore after a login prompt, but then I intentionally disabled that whole *dm thing
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15:38<petn-randall>bnwkeys2: I guess it switched to vt7 and then failed to load X. Press ctrl+alt+F1, you should get a prompt.
15:38<bnwkeys2>Yay, I have a terminal
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15:40<bnwkeys2>Retrospectacus, what was the blacklist step you told me about?
15:40<AgentC>what to do, when a apache2 server do not give access to subdirectories in a webdir but all permissions are switched to read/exe mode ?
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15:41<AgentC>only root-dir is accessable, do not now why i cant access from outer side
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15:53<CQ>can anyone tell me if this mb can use ECC Ram or not? • Supports four unbuffered DIMM of 1.8 Volt DDR2 667/800 DRAM, 16GB Max
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15:53<CQ>I have 8gb and want to go to 12 or 16, but not sure if the PC2-6400P (not the P at the end) works...
15:54<CQ>Motherboard is
15:54<SamB>don't you need either all or none ECC?
15:54<CQ>well, if I need all ECC I don't mind getting 4 modules
15:55<CQ>I just can't figure out if this mem works at all or not...
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15:57<CQ> explains a R, U and F suffix, but not the P
15:57<CQ>This is what worries me: Be fully buffered modules, which are designated by F or FB and do not have the same notch position as other classes. Fully buffered modules cannot be used with motherboards that are made for registered modules, and the different notch position physically prevents their insertion.
15:59<petn-randall>CQ: If they don't advertise it, I'd say no. ECC RAM is mainly supported by server mainboards.
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16:01<CQ>petn-randall: I would assume the same...
16:02<CQ>16gb cost EUR 360 ... wonder if a MoBo+CPU+DDR3 is cheaper ; )
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16:08<bnwkeys2>OK, xorg log says, no supported amd display adapters were found, no devices detected, fatal server error: no screens found
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16:09<petn-randall>bnwkeys2: Does 'lsmod|grep fglrx' show you that module?
16:10<bnwkeys2>No it does not
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16:11<petn-randall>bnwkeys2: Sorry, lost track. How did you install the fglrx driver?
16:11<zathras>AgentC, check apache's global setting regarding followsymlinks, index etc
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16:12<bnwkeys2>Using the instructions in dpkg's factoid for fglrx kernel module extensions thingy, I forget all these acronyms
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16:12<bnwkeys2>Used aptitude to get it and everything seemed to have gone smoothly before reboot
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16:32<bnwkeys2>Well I got GUI back
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16:44<retrospectacus>bnwkeys3: I'm back. What's yer status?
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16:47<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: I'm back. What's yer status?
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16:52<alexhenrie>hey retrospectacus, could you look at lshw-gtk with me?
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16:55<retrospectacus>alexhenrie: ahhh maybe? Just ask your question to the channel - there are hundreds of people who may be able to help you
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16:56<alexhenrie>it's missing a dependency on the "menu" package, and the maintainer won't respond to my emails.
16:57<azyr>i'm trying to create live usb stick from debian netinst
16:57<azyr>i have UEFI on my computer
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16:58<alexhenrie>azyr: usually you can use unetbootin and it just works. did you try that already?
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16:58<azyr>so i have followed the guidelines from (second post, first method)
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16:58<retrospectacus>unetbootin does *not* work with the usb-hybrid images
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16:58<retrospectacus>use cat, dd or cp.
16:58<azyr>no i havent, because im using linux
16:59<alexhenrie>sudo apt-get install unetbootin
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16:59<retrospectacus>alexhenrie: unetbootin does not create usable USB with debian.
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16:59<azyr>when i try to copy all the files from the image to usb device with "cp -r /mnt/iso/. /mnt/usb" i cannot transfer symbolic links
16:59<bnwkeys_>retrospectacus, are you available?
17:00<azyr>this creates a usb stick that boots up but only to GRUB
17:00<azyr>kernel doesnt start loading up
17:00<azyr>i think it might be because symbolic links are missing
17:00<retrospectacus>azyr: the correct command is: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb ; sync
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17:00<azyr>does that work on UEFI?
17:00<retrospectacus>no idea
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17:00<alexhenrie>i've used unetbootin with custom debian images before and it's worked fine, but you're right, dd is more likely to work
17:00<retrospectacus>bnwkeys_: yes
17:00<azyr>i tried cat before
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17:00<azyr>i think it only works on BIOS
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17:01<azyr>does that cat command rewrite partition table as well?
17:01<Grama>got a problem on codeblock, cant compile an hello world ! got this ; "It seems that this project has not been built yet. Do you want to build it now?" press yes and nothing happens.
17:01<retrospectacus>it overwrites the partition table
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17:01<retrospectacus>Grama: do you have a debian question?
17:02<Grama>retro : yeah !
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17:02<retrospectacus>azyr: you need to boot the USB; no idea how to do that with UEFI
17:02<bnwkeys_>retrospectacus: So, after fglrx broke X, I purged and removed fglrx and 20-fglrx.conf. Doing that gave me my GUI back and gnome3 is back now
17:02<alexhenrie>anyway, i'm just here because lshw-gtk doesn't work and not a single person has been willing to even discuss the issue, except for the ubuntu people, who told me to talk to the debian people.
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17:03<retrospectacus>bnwkeys_: ok?
17:03<azyr>retrospectacus: i have booted to usb
17:03<azyr>but it only starts grub shell
17:03<azyr>maybe because the symbolic links are broken
17:03<azyr>FAT32 doesnt support symbolic links
17:03<retrospectacus>azyr: the USB should not have any grub or fat
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17:04<alexhenrie>azyr: it's supposed to have an ISO filesystem
17:04<alexhenrie>and syslinux/isolinux
17:04<retrospectacus>azyr: the cat command will simply cause the USB to "be" an ISO image (ISO9660 format)
17:04<retrospectacus>which will boot. end
17:04<bnwkeys_>retrospectacus: not sure if I missed something for configuring fglrx, i did exactly as what that dpkg factoid said to do
17:04<azyr>ok i'll try cat one more time
17:04<azyr>let's see what happens
17:04<azyr>i think it doesnt work on UEFI for some reason
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17:06<retrospectacus>bnwkeys_: hard to say, since you've removed it all again
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17:07<Grama>retrospectatus : can you help me please ? iknow its not really hard to find what's going wrong but i'm really new...
17:07<retrospectacus>Grama: I doubt it. what is "codeblock"?
17:07<Grama>retrospectatus Free IDE i use for my studies
17:07<alexhenrie>he's probably referring to Code::Blocks
17:08<Grama>alexhenrie : right.
17:08<retrospectacus>,i codeblocks
17:08<judd>Package codeblocks (devel, optional) in wheezy/i386: Code::Blocks integrated development environment (IDE). Version: 10.05-2.1; Size: 1868.5k; Installed: 4862k; Homepage:
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17:10<alexhenrie>Grama: make sure you have gcc installed, and look around for any other error messages
17:10<alexhenrie>Grama: make sure you have g++ installed too
17:10<Grama>alexhenrie : got it installed, nothing changed
17:10<Grama>alexhenrie : same for g++ !
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17:12<retrospectacus>alexhenrie: so your problem is that lshw-gtk should be run as root, and something should be "Depends" to ... what?
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17:13<Grama>alexhenrie : ok now it works, i installed g++ then iwas trying to compile a debug and open a release...
17:13<Grama>alexhenrie : Thanks anyway.
17:13<alexhenrie>Grama: no problem
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17:13<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: install lshw-gtk (it's a tiny package) and try to use it. see what happens.
17:13<retrospectacus>if you want to start compiling things you should just install build-essential
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17:14<retrospectacus>alexhenrie: I did. It's ok, it must be run as root though.
17:14<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: that's odd, you must have already had the menu package installed.
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17:14<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: the menu package isn't installed by default and it's not a dependency of lshw-gtk
17:14<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: the package needs to be modified to include the dependency
17:15<retrospectacus>alexhenrie: I do have "menu" - what is it used for?
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17:15<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: it's some archaic way of launching a dialog to have you enter the root password
17:15<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: the only package i've ever seen that uses it is lshw-gtk
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17:16<retrospectacus>alexhenrie: I don't use such methods. I ran "su -" then entered my rpw and ran lshw-gtk
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17:16<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: okay that's great if you only use a command line, however if you try to access the program from the menu it won't work
17:18<retrospectacus>I see - it opened a terminal with /bin/bash /usr/bin/su-to-root -p root -c lshw-gtk
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17:19<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: I understand that. but the program also installs a .desktop file which is broken.
17:19<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: the problem is that the .desktop file needs to be fixed
17:19<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: and a quick solution to that would be to fix the package dependencies.
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17:20<retrospectacus>but a better solution would be for the .desktop file to use some "more standard" way to run it as root
17:20<retrospectacus>let me see how gparted does it
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17:21<alexhenrie>if you look at i already explain exactly how gparted works
17:22<azyr>my live usb boots to GRUB shell
17:22<phillipsjk>retrospectacus, that error is new; that is hwy I think it is the symptom of a potential problem.
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17:22<azyr>how do i launch the installer?
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17:22<retrospectacus>azyr: what command did you use to write the usb stick
17:23<phillipsjk>bringing thins machine down to steal the video card.
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17:23<azyr> (reply number 2, method number 1)
17:23<alexhenrie>azyr: you need to use cat or dd instead. that method apparently doesn't work.
17:23<azyr>and i copied all the files using cp -Lr option ..
17:24<azyr>hmm i think those dont work either using UEFI
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17:24<Maulkin>Yeah, that don't work.
17:24<azyr>have you tried dd or cat with UEFI?
17:24<retrospectacus>this is garbage, azyr
17:24<Maulkin>azyr: You may want to try using the Debian install guide.
17:24<retrospectacus>use the command I told you
17:24<Maulkin>Rather than a random linux mint one from a forum
17:24<Maulkin>Or yes, just listen to retrospectacus
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17:25<azyr>ok so cat [isofile] > [device]
17:25<azyr>and syc
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17:25<alexhenrie>azyr: yes.
17:25<azyr>let's see
17:25<Maulkin>Generally retrospectacus is worth listening to.
17:25<retrospectacus>where [device] is the drive, not the partition, e.g. /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1
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17:26<Maulkin>He should totally tell me how Debian should do releases :)
17:26<Maulkin>Cause I'm starting to run out of ideas
17:26<retrospectacus>exactly as you have been sir
17:27<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: do you see what i mean about lshw-gtk? i know exactly how to fix the .desktop file, but no one will listen to me.
17:27<babilen>azyr: Are you trying to install Debain or Mint? and I'd recommend using cp in lieu of cat as it doesn't rely on you being root for the I/O redirect.
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17:31<azyr>it works now!
17:32<azyr>i thought i tried that already
17:32<azyr>dead simple
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17:33<babilen>azyr: So "cp the-image.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb (your usb stick)) but cat/dd work too (I consider them a bit awkward/more error-prone though)
17:33<babilen>but yeah! :)
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17:34<azyr>what is the difference between cp and cat here?
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17:35<azyr>i've been battling with this for last 4 hours
17:35<azyr>and solution was this simple
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17:44<retrospectacus>alexhenrie: so lshw-gtk should depend on policykit-1
17:44*phillipsjk started explaining the difference between cp and cat and got stuck
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17:45<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: there are two solutions. either modify lshw-gtk to use a more standard authentication mechanism and make that mechanism a package dependency, or add a dependency to the menu package.
17:45<retrospectacus>afaict they are the same. (cp foo bar is identical to cat foo >bar) -I'm sure babilen is right about permissions though
17:45<phillipsjk>cat is more general-purpose, cp is mainly for copying files. "cp filename" does not send stuff to stdout
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17:49<bnwkeys>retrospectacus, I've installed fglrx this time using synaptic. I have video now but gnome3 is running in fallback mode now. any ideas why?
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17:51<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: no, but putting Xorg.0.log on might help
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17:52<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: is there a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ telling X to use fglrx? Is there a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ telling the kernel not to load radeon?
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17:53<retrospectacus>(the fglrx-driver package will do the latter; the former must be done by hand)
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17:54<retrospectacus>probably you did not do the former and thus have no driver available and no 3D for gnome3
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17:56<ung>I'm trying to report a debian bug and I get this error message "SMTP send failure: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server.. " I use (hotmail)
17:56<bnwkeys>retrospectacus, back from posting,
17:57<bnwkeys>retrospectacus, I don't believe there is. I don't really know how to configure X, and I assume the second is what you meant by blacklisting Radeon, that was the question I had earlier
17:58<retrospectacus>it looks like you are using radeon. Did you reboot?
17:59<bnwkeys>I did, and it put me into fallback mode
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17:59<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: well, you need to tell X to use fglrx if that's what you want.
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18:00<bnwkeys>*says out loud "Hey X, I would appreciate it if you use fglrx"*
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18:00<bnwkeys>retrospectacus, sorry I'm so clueless, like I said, I don't really know how to config X.
18:00<bernat>bnwkeys, how you read the ati page in the Debian wiki?
18:01<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: this is done by creating a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ spcifying the fglrx driver for your Device (you did this earlier using "echo")
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18:02<ung>make sure to run this command "aticonfig --initial"
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18:02<ung>it will configure xorg automatic
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18:03<bnwkeys>ok, let me try again with this stuff, and last time I did aticonfig it said no supported adapters
18:03<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: follow the directions given by the robot, or that wiki page .
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18:04<bnwkeys>ok, following the wiki page, I was reading another debian wiki earlier. This one seems more informative
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18:07<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: I have to go. what's the conclusion about lshw-gtk?
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18:15<retrospectacus>alexhenrie: it should use policykit, is my guess
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18:17<phillipsjk>I am in single-user mode. but when I try to remount the root filesystem as read-only, I get: "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" whan I try to specify the filesystem type I get: "mount: /dev/hda4 not mounted already, or bad option"
18:17<phillipsjk>The command I am tryping to use is "mount -text3 -o remount ro /dev/hda4"
18:18<phillipsjk>this is an old installation, so it really IS hda4
18:18<vook>don't you need a space? hmm
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18:19<phillipsjk>that is the first option I specified.
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18:20<retrospectacus>iirc it should be: mount -o remount,ro /
18:20<phillipsjk>comma separated?
18:20<phillipsjk>That gave me mount -h
18:21<vook>how would mtab be updated if / is read only?
18:21<phillipsjk>not specfying the fs type I got: "mount: / is busy"
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18:22<phillipsjk>maybe I should just look around for a live CD :P
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18:23<alexhenrie>retrospectacus: I need you to tell me who to talk to to get the package fixed. I could generate a fixed package myself but that wouldn't help the one in the debian repository any.
18:24<retrospectacus>submitting a detailed fix with code might help
18:24<phillipsjk>vook the -n option did not help.
18:25<retrospectacus>phillipsjk: why do you want to mount / ro anyways?
18:26<phillipsjk>to run fsck
18:26<phillipsjk>on boot it said it was clean, but I want it to check anyway.
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18:27<retrospectacus>touch /forcefsck
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18:27<bnwkeys>Well I followed the wiki for proprietary ati drivers and now I have no GUI again
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18:28<dondelelcaro>alexhenrie: the person you need to talk to is the maintainer, Ghe Rivero <>
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18:29<dondelelcaro>alexhenrie: presumably, you can also prepare a patch which will do this, and submit it to the bug
18:29<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: put Xorg.0.log on again
18:29<phillipsjk>Ok, that worked. Thank retrospectacus
18:29<bnwkeys>How do I do that from terminal?
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18:30<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: to do this w/o X, run apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:30<dondelelcaro>alexhenrie: I'm not sure why the maintainer hasn't responded to the bug, but sometimes people get busy. A patch which fixed everything up would be helpful, though.
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18:31<phillipsjk>(no errors)
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18:33<azyr>why do i need " wheezy/updates main" in my /etc/apt/sources.list?
18:34<dondelelcaro>azyr: because you want security updates
18:34<dondelelcaro>azyr: and you want them when we release them, not when we roll them into point updates
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18:35<azyr>how about this config:
18:35<ung>I'm trying to report a debian bug and I get this error message "SMTP send failure: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server.. " I use (hotmail)
18:35<azyr>do i get security updates with this config?
18:35<ung>if I use the TLS YES option, I get "SMTP send failure: Connection unexpectedly closed: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:1359: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number.
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18:35<k-man_>when i change the gnome terminal preferences like font, it changes them for all terminal windows, can i change them for just the current one?
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18:36<dondelelcaro>azyr: with that configuration, you're going to be running unstable, not stable.
18:36<phillipsjk>on extremely sensitive computers, you would leave the machine offline and not bother with security updates.
18:36<mtn>azyr: probably a broken system and no security updates
18:36<dondelelcaro>ung: you should be connecting to your ISP's mailserver. not sure why you're using
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18:36<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: it appears that FGLRX does not support your device :(
18:37<dondelelcaro>ung: but regardless, that message is because for whatever reason, doesn't support SMTP AUTH; it probably wants TLS or SSL
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18:37<ung>dondelelcaro: I care about privacy so I don't use ISP mailserver.
18:37<bnwkeys>Well poo, I installed the legacy driver too. So I guess I'm stuck with one monitor and can never use dual screen again...
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18:38<dondelelcaro>ung: then use your own mailserver; in that case, I'm not sure why you're connecting to
18:38<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: oh you tried the legacy driver too?
18:38<ung>and if I use TLS, I get "SMTP send failure: Connection unexpectedly closed: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:1359: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number
18:38<azyr>what is the meaning of this line: "<localmirror> wheezy-updates main" ?
18:39<azyr>and how is it different from the " wheezy/updates main" line?
18:39<retrospectacus>ung: that is a hotmail issue, no concern of Debian. Use your ISP's mailserver
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18:39<bnwkeys>Yep, this last time I used the legacy driver from wheezy back ports. The radeon xpress 200m is a very old and very unsupported gpu
18:39<azyr>mtn: why did you say probably broken system?
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18:40<phillipsjk>all the experimental stuff probably.
18:40<bnwkeys>Retrospectacus any more ideas or am I boned?
18:40<mtn>azyr: mixing testing and unstable, with possible packages from experimental. not a good idea in my mind.
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18:40<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: can you run "lspci -nn | grep VGA" quick and paste the line here?
18:40<ung>I'm a long time debian user and I prefer to switch distribution than use my ISP mail server.
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18:41<ung>if you can make a usable reportbug in a stable distribution, this is not my problem
18:41<mtn>ung: your distro has nothing to with your mail settings
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18:41<retrospectacus>ung: how would a different distro help? It is that is a problem
18:42<dondelelcaro>ung: reportbug is fully capable of talking to the BTS directly.
18:42<ung>Ill try a different email provider.
18:42<dondelelcaro>(and in fact, by default, that's what it does)
18:43<retrospectacus>that would also be most reliable
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18:43<bnwkeys>retrospectacus: VGA compat ... Blahblah... : Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M] [1002:5975]
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18:48<bnwkeys>Retrospectacus, was that what you wanted, any new ideas?
18:49<retrospectacus>l0ooks like you are stuck on radeon
18:49<retrospectacus>I think it is a glx-alternative problem you had when gnome went to fallback mode
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18:50<bnwkeys>Well thank you for the help, I'll revert later. I have to go for now. Bye
18:50<vook>maybe if bnwkeys uses something like 'rdblacklist=radeon', it'll prevent it from loading
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18:51<azyr>does it matter whether i use "stable" or "wheezy" in sources.list? how about "testing" or "jessie" ?
18:51<retrospectacus>installing the fglrx-driver package should have added a radeon blacklist in /etc/modules.d
18:51<petn-randall>azyr: *ALWAYS* use the code name, e.g. wheezy or jessie.
18:51<retrospectacus>azyr: they are all different, but pick just one.
18:51<vook>somehow it's still loading though, correct?
18:51<petn-randall>azyr: Otherwise you're in for a suprise when the next stable release happens .... :)
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18:53<bnwkeys>I see no modules.d in etc, and /etc/modules only has the line 'loop'
18:53<vook>the modules.d blacklist wouldn't achieve the same thing as rdblacklist=radeon.
18:53<bernat>azyr: you shouldn't use stable, but you could use testing if you want to always use testing whatever name it is
18:53<petn-randall>retrospectacus: ^^ see above, it's not the same, and actually quite dangerous to use 'stable' or 'testing'.
18:54<retrospectacus>yes, it can be. The release name is best :)
18:54<petn-randall>Even 'testing' is bad, because it's empty after a release.
18:54<retrospectacus>bnwkeys: try what vook suggests.
18:54<bernat>petn-randall: I've never seen testing empty, it's the first time I hear that
18:54<petn-randall>We get lots of confused people who's system is broken because of just that. Every single time a release comes out.
18:55<bnwkeys>OK, in what file where
18:55<vook>bnwkeys: at boot, add rdblacklist=radeon to the 'kernel ....' line. (right after quiet).
18:55<bernat>it doesn't make much sense to me
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18:56<azyr>so if i don't have the " [version]/updates [options]" line in my sources.list i wont get security updates?
18:56<azyr>so in other words: local mirrors don't have those security updates
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18:57<bnwkeys>So in the /boot folder find a file kernel...something? I don't think I'm looking in the right place
18:57<petn-randall>azyr: Yes, you should have in your sources.list.
18:58<retrospectacus>azyr: security updates are only available for the stable release.
18:58<azyr>ah, so jessie/updates doesnt make any sense?
18:58<abrotman>it's there, but empty .. it won't hurt anything
18:58<petn-randall>azyr: testing and above don't get security support.
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18:59<azyr>because they are updated frequently anyway
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18:59<petn-randall>Well, because testing is a moving target that nobody wants to give security support for.
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18:59<vook>bnwkeys: right at boot, when the system is booting and the grub prompt appears, you can follow the screen prompts to edit a line. It's something like 'e', arrow down, etc.. Alternatively (though this is discouraged), you can append the topmost "kernel..." entry in /etc/grub/grub.conf with " rdblacklist=radeon")
18:59<bnwkeys>Vook I don't know what file you are talking about
19:00<bnwkeys>Oh oh oh
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19:00<vook>bnwkeys: this will prevent initrd from allowing the module to load, if it does so.
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19:05<bnwkeys>I added that right after ro quiet, in the same line. Same thing is happening. GUI fails to load after all the device initialization.
19:07<bnwkeys>So I guess my GPU is just completely unsupported then?
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20:07<talasar>anybody home?
20:07<retrospectacus>just you
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20:08<talasar>at least that makes one
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20:13<talasar>Just installed Debian but it gives me a scrambled screen when it starts loading the gui.
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20:32<abrotman>talaoh well
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20:57<sh4kaunt0ld>anyone there ??
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21:02<sh4kaunt0ld>hi is anyone here??
21:03<abrotman>lots of people
21:03<sh4kaunt0ld>can you help me with Debian problem?+
21:03<themill>it's easier to help you if you ask your question
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21:05<sh4kaunt0ld>am trying to install Afla wifi adapter on a Debian based Distro but cant get it working ,plz help?+
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21:06<abrotman>which distro?
21:06<sh4kaunt0ld>Matrius in virtualbox
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21:07<abrotman>sh4kaunt0ld: the yhave a support channel on freenode
21:07<sh4kaunt0ld>do you know their channel plz
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21:08<themill>dpkg, matriux is a distribution based on Debian that aims to provide security tools for ethical hackers. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in their forums at or in #matriux on See also <based on debian>.
21:08<dpkg>...but matriux is already something else...
21:09<themill>dpkg, lart abrotman
21:09*dpkg holds abrotman to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
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21:09<abrotman>not me .. someone else
21:09*abrotman looks at gsimmons
21:10<abrotman>sh4kaunt0ld: #matriux on
21:10<sh4kaunt0ld>ty will try and see
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21:10<themill>there's only one person in that channel and it's probably chanserv...
21:10<abrotman>not our fault?
21:10<abrotman>use ##linux?
21:11<themill>I think step 1 will be explaining why a guest operating system wants to talk to a wireless adaptor in the first place.
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21:17<sh4kaunt0ld>abrotman: no one is in the room bro
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21:20<abrotman>sh4kaunt0ld: your distro is still not supported here, perhaps try ##linux on freenode
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21:27<sh4kaunt0ld>but sir if its concerns installing Alfa wifi drivers on it, what is the difference if Matriux is based on Debian......?
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21:28<sh4kaunt0ld>i have been using Ubuntu based Distros and were easy to fix, but htought of experiencing Debian too
21:29<abrotman>sh4kaunt0ld: if you want support here, install Debian. End of discussion.
21:30<sh4kaunt0ld>ty men, thought you could help but not...
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21:36<Serverus>necesito compilar una wea
21:36<Serverus>y no me funciona el make
21:36<LtL>Serverus: ingles por favor
21:37<abrotman>or use #debian-es
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22:21<user01>hey i noticed before on my thinkpad that the fan wasnt running and my laptop would often shutdown hitting 100 C it would claim, so i googled about thinkfan installed and put in some manual sensors which seemed to do the trick, but now i get a warning that fan doesn't start until 51 C . . .
22:21<user01>51 C should be OK right?
22:21<sney>51C is safe-ish
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22:21<sney>I've had (older) machines that idled at 53C
22:22<user01>the most i could get the temperature up to was about 84 C reading through a large pdf
22:22<user01>like 684 of high res scans
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22:24<user01>sney, if it was hitting 100 C all those times i guess that was bad . . .
22:24<user01>sney, thanks!
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22:26<user01>sney, i followed this guy's guide btw
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22:26<user01>sney, it mostly worked cept for the different debian commands
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22:37<vkrishn>will there be an issue if /var/lib/dpkg/status gets corrupted ?
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22:39<themill>yes. Hopefully one of the backups in /var/backups is ok
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22:44<vkrishn>I see a difference in size for both files
22:44<vkrishn>/var/backups/dpkg.status.0 is smaller
22:45<vkrishn>will this affect how synaptic reports installed packages ?
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22:46<vkrishn>I mean if restored from backup
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22:59<vortek>That webcam software that took your picture is gone now that i got kde i haaad it in enlightenment, what package do i have to installl?
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23:10<vortek>thats it thnxs
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23:18<phillipsjk>For some reason I love cryptic questions :)
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23:20<retrospectacus>phillipsjk: has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
23:20<sney>yes, of course. haven't you?
23:21<phillipsjk>I think you accidentally the noun.
23:21<sney>alternate humorous response: !anyone
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23:22<SamB>retrospectacus: what the hell?
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23:45<Agentc_handy>good morning
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