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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-04

---Logopened Fri Oct 04 00:00:06 2013
---Daychanged Fri Oct 04 2013
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00:06<bnwkeys>Okie dokie, checked .xsession-errors and it said unico theming engine was missing, I installed that using synaptic and got rid of those errors but still getting the blue desktop with no icons
00:07<bnwkeys>Please take another look at my .xsession-errors: http://paste.debian.net/49967/
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00:09<SamB>okay now I have no idea
00:09<bnwkeys>alright, thank you for looking
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02:26<Sid2>i want to know something about this command
02:26<Sid2>echo asd >abc.txt
02:26<Sid2>if a file exists what will this do
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04:27<vineed>Hello World
04:30<vineed>:X
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04:33<vineed>Exception in thread "main" java.rmi.server.ExportException: remote object implements illegal remote interface; nested exception is:
04:34<vineed>Please help
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05:29<JBek>wow
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05:42<vlt>Hello. How can I find out the state of my laptop battery?
05:42<vlt>(using linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae on Debian stable)
05:44<babilen>dpkg: tell vlt -about cross post
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05:54<stevenm_>Lo, if my kernel didn't come with a module - can I just use m-a to add it? it's just it's not in m-a's list of available ones it can compile
05:54<jm_>which module?
05:55<stevenm_>iscsi_tcp and ib_iser
05:55<stevenm_>they're needed for the open-iscsi package but my kernel doesn't have them - so i've got the kernel sources and m-a installed - but after a m-a update it still can't find it to auto-compile for me
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05:59<jm_>which kernel are you using?
05:59<stevenm_>it's a custom one netgear have created
05:59<stevenm_>based off 2.6.37-6
06:00<jm_>then you'll have to talk to them about it (m-a is used for out of the tree modules while these two are standard)
06:01<stevenm_>i'll probably just recompile their kernel with the module included then
06:01<stevenm_>i'm not sure what the effects would be of swapping to a standard debian kernel
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06:02<jm_>if you have a chance to do that then it's a good option, however does 2.6 kernel include those modules?
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06:02<stevenm_>it's a netgear readynas 2100 device (essentially an x86 server with 4 disks and a modified debian 4)
06:02<stevenm_>jm_, yes
06:02<jm_>stevenm_: yeah I just checked and it does
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06:50<wardhan>hi all. my touchpad does not work. if i give command modprobe -r psmouse, returns nothing. egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices also returns nothing. where should i look to resolve the issue ?
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06:53<Agentc_handy>hi horst
06:54<seguidodoblado>hi wardhan...
06:55<seguidodoblado>Under root, create a file “/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-synaptics_custom.conf”, with the following content:
06:55<wardhan>hi seguidodoblado
06:55<seguidodoblado>Section "InputClass"
06:56<seguidodoblado>Identifier "touchpad catchall"
06:56<seguidodoblado>Driver "synaptics"
06:56<seguidodoblado>MatchIsTouchpad "on"
06:56<seguidodoblado>MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
06:56<seguidodoblado>Option "TapButton1" "1"
06:57<seguidodoblado>Option "VertEdgeScroll" "1"
06:57<seguidodoblado>Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "1"
06:57<seguidodoblado>EndSection
06:57<seguidodoblado>Reboot the PC, and voila, tapping and scrolling works everywhere.
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06:58<wardhan>hi seguidodoblado, reboting the sys now, let you know results
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06:59<seguidodoblado>Working in Debian XFCE...
06:59<seguidodoblado>Ok
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07:02<wardhan> hi seguidodoblado, it is not working
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07:04<seguidodoblado>Sorry, I had same problem in XFCE and now i'm working with this file...
07:04<seguidodoblado>:(
07:04<wardhan>ok :)
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07:05<seguidodoblado>Good luck!!
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07:06<wardhan>synclient is complaining about non existence of synaptics device.
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07:12<wardhan>strangely it isn't listing in cat /proc/bus/input/devices also
07:12<Iridos>wardhan, it's supposed to be a reload of the module... so... unloading alone won't do. so... as the wiki at https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad says modprobe -r psmouse;modprobe psmouse proto=imps
07:13<Iridos>wardhan, not surprising if you unloaded the kernel-module that's responsible for it before looking
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07:14<wardhan>iridos, both of the commands are returning anything, do u mean i acccidentally unloaded the kernel-module ?
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07:15<Iridos>wardhan, they never do return anything useful. their output gets visible as new messages at the end of the output of "dmesg"
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07:18<wardhan>dmesg says psmouse serio1: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1
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07:37<OptimusPrime>hi
07:37<OptimusPrime>hi friends
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08:47<saurabh>hi
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09:09<deb7>are there any gpu switchers (intel/nvidia) available for debian or ubuntu?
09:10<mgv>dpkg: tell deb7 about bumblebee
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09:11<deb7>mgv, but it still requires x window restart, doesn't it?
09:11<mgv>nope
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09:12<mgv>if you want a program to run on the nvidia gpu, you start it as "optirun firefox"
09:12<mgv>(or primusrun instead of optirun)
09:12<deb7>will look into it, thanks
09:12<mgv>you're welcome
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09:16<d3c0>!hi
09:16<dpkg>hello, d3c0
09:17<d3c0>someone know how install thunderbird in squeeze
09:17<d3c0>?
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09:18<musca>!icedove
09:18<dpkg>Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, replacing Thunderbird in Debian as of 5.0 "Lenny". Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <why icedove>. Since July 2013, Icedove in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. http://wiki.debian.org/Icedove
09:20<d3c0>musca: thank u for the real information!
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09:21<musca>d3c0: but there is no recent version of icedove for sqeeze
09:21<musca>even squeeze
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09:23<d3c0>musca: for now, it does not matter, I just need something pretty for my emails, I think is gonna be allR..
09:24<d3c0>or Evolution? :p
09:24<babilen>deb7: The "firefox" is naturally simply the command in question and, as firefox is not in Debian, won't work like that out of the box.
09:24<diederik>d3c0: considered upgrading to wheezy?
09:25<musca>well, facing internet content you should use something with security maintainance
09:25<babilen>d3c0: You might also be interested in http://mozilla.debian.net and upgrading to wheezy.
09:25<babilen>dpkg: tell d3c0 -about squeeze->wheezy
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09:25<babilen>squeeze is still supported for a couple of months
09:26<babilen>(not that iceweasel in squeeze should be seen as secure)
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09:28<deb7>babilen, thanks. I basically need to use IGP for everything except when using visualization software, such as virtualbox. if i understood correctly bamblebee ui will help me to configure this automatically
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09:29<d3c0>babilen: thanks I gonna do right now!!
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09:29<babilen>deb7: Not sure what you mean, but that sounds .. maybe .. right ;)
09:30<babilen>d3c0: yay, let us know if you require help and *read*/*follow* the instructions in the release notes
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09:30<houms>should the kernel update during regular apt-get updates? I ask because I built this laptop from testing image a couple of months ago and the kernel is 3.10.2, but i see 3.10.3 but do not get prompted to update to it
09:30<babilen>houms: sure
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09:31<houms>what changed or is different on this system of mine that this would be the case?
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09:31<babilen>houms: err, not at all
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09:32<babilen>houms: Sorry. Naturally "apt-get update" shouldn't *upgrade* anything. But assuming you ask about "apt-get upgrade" as opposed to "apt-get dist-upgrade" the answer is a bit more complicated and I would recommend to simply read the manpage. In short: upgrade won't remove packages while dist-upgrade will
09:33<babilen>houms: It's quite normal to run "dist-upgrade" on testing/unstable ... you might also be interested in #debian-next which is our testing/unstable support channel.
09:33<houms>fair enough and thank you for pointing out my mistake. i do mean apt-get upgrade. previously I was always on testing and doing upgrades would simply upgrade the kernel if there was a new one in repo
09:33<themill>houms: what's the output of "aptitude search ~nlinux-image~i" there?
09:33<houms>pastie.org/8377502
09:34<babilen>houms: And yeah, it might very well be that you don't have a suitable kernel metapackage such as linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-686-pae installed.
09:34<houms>ah that would explain it
09:34<babilen>houms: Which is the case. Install linux-image-amd64 if you want it to pull in the latest available kernel automatically.
09:35<houms>so is the metapackage required to track the latest kernel? and by track i mean have apt know to upgrade you to the latest?
09:35<houms>i see. thanks for that piece of info
09:35<houms>is that metapackage installed by default on new installs?
09:36<babilen>houms: You have linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 installed which means that you get upgrade for *that* package. The fact that you don't have linux-image-amd64 installed means that you won't automatically install a new kernel package (e.g. linux-image-3.2.0-5-amd64)
09:36<themill>you are usually asked if you want to install it but the question is confusingly worded
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09:36<babilen>houms: You are being asked, but you don't understand the implications of your choice unless you already understood them :)
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09:37<houms>catch22
09:37<diederik>houms: what's the output of "aptitude why linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" ?
09:38<houms>http://pastie.org/8377516
09:38<houms>and removing older kernels is still just remove headers and image?
09:38<babilen>yeah
09:39<diederik>ok. It's better to have the kernel explicitly installed instead of pulled in through a recommends. So do install the metapackage
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09:39<houms>cool will do
09:40<houms>thanks babilen and diederik and themill for your assistance
09:40<diederik>yw
09:40<themill>diederik: the kernel packages don't get autoremoved in the same way so it's not so much of a problem
09:42<babilen>This ^^^ is due to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels
09:42<diederik>makes sense; thanks for the info.
09:42<themill>(or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove in squeeze and wheezy)
09:42<babilen>err, tab-completion error .. I mean yeah, but that's not the underlying process
09:43<houms>is there a proper/recommended way to clean up old kernel cruft. like modules or src stuff
09:44<diederik>I'd still prefer the kernel package explicitly installed, but I understand it's not a requirement
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09:47<diederik>I don't know if there's a recommended way, but I do it as follows: "aptitude search ~i3.2.0-3" (for kernel version 3.2.0-3) and if that doesn't list any package I don't want to remove, I do "aptitude purge ~i3.2.0-3"
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09:48<themill>yeah, picking on uname -r isn't a bad way of doing it
09:48<themill>(that also gets rid of m-a generated kernel packages if you're still using such beasts)
09:49<diederik>themill: are you sure? That'll propose to remove the kernel you're currently running ... probably not a good idea
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09:49<themill>I mean the uname -r value of the kernel you want to get rid of
09:49<diederik>ok ;)
09:50<themill>(basically, what you were saying)
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09:50<diederik>if you do "updatedb.mlocate" and then "locate 3.2.0-3" you can find if there are any files left related to that kernel version
09:51<diederik>houms: ^^ that was for you
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09:52<houms>and assume i can sagely remove them once the kernel has been removed?
09:52<diederik>yes
09:52<houms>thanks diedrik
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10:08<jaguar>hi this is new user
10:09<jaguar>join
10:10<babilen>jaguar: Welcome! Do you need help with anything Debian related or are you simply trying out IRC?
10:11<jaguar>2nd option
10:11<jaguar>:)
10:12<babilen>dpkg: tell jaguar -about irc tutorial
10:12<babilen>jaguar: Please note that this is a technical support channel for Debian users and that you might want to join other channels such as #debian-offtopic or #moocows for chatting. Have a good day!
10:13<jaguar>ok thanks babilen for the information ! See you again !
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11:06<newbie>Hello all! I hava a squid proxy here with. All is working, except for the error message when I access https denied pages. If I block "google", for example, my error page is OK, but if I block "https://facebook.com", I see a "connection refused" error at browser. Why?
11:06<newbie>*have
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11:20<newbie>I know my problem is about hadle CONNECT with Squid.... but if I can redirect to som other place....
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11:22<sasha>hola
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11:23<Maulkin>!es-social
11:23<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:24<petn-randall>newbie: My guess would be that you have to reject the HTTPS site after TCP handshake, but before the SSL handshake, otherwise the client will get an "invalid certificate" error, which will be more confusing.
11:27<newbie>petn-randall : could you help me to do this with Squid?
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11:29<petn-randall>newbie: I was merely describing that the things you're observing are expected.
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11:31<newbie>petn-randall : really, it makes sense. thank you :) But I have no idea about how to solve this at Squid
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11:33<petn-randall>newbie: Unless I misunderstand how proxies work, there is nothing to solve.
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11:35<petn-randall>newbie: The only thing you can do is block the http site and hope users type in that.
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11:41<newbie>petn-randall : it's because I show an error message with information about the blocks. But when I open https traffic, the browser shows an unknown error message, and not the mine
11:41<newbie>*mine
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12:32<jepler_>Can someone point me at a page comparing apt-cacher / apt-cacher-ng / approx / apt-proxy / any alternatives I may have missed? I have a debian stable system where I want to select and install one for a home network of about 6 systems.
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12:35<petn-randall>jepler_: I don't have a page handy, but I've used approx and apt-cacher-ng, and can recommend the latter.
12:35<petn-randall>IIRC I picked the latter because it scaled better.
12:35<jepler_>OK, that's helpful.
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12:36<jepler_>I have run apt-cacher-ng in the past (set up circa 2010) but didn't know if I'd made the best decision then, or whether there might be a clear better choice now.
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12:38<jepler>debtorrent? sounds intriguing
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12:50<kain88>hi I'm having some problems using ssh-agent/ssh-add on a machine I ssh'd into
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12:52<kain88>everytime I try to add a key with a passphrase ssh-add won't accept the passphrase. I even tried some test keys with simple '12345' passphrase to check that I didn't type it wrong. still ssh-add always complains that the passphrase is wring
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13:22<Dark_light> I'm having issues with the wheezy installer on a thinkpad t400, it fails at scanning disks or better it just sits there
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13:27<bfly>ecc: Invalid operation dust-upgrade
13:28<bfly>sorry ecc, a silly xchat bug hit you there, this was meant to just say "E:"
13:29<mtn>bfly: if that is actually your error message, well, there is not dust-upgrade ;)
13:29<mtn>not=no
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13:30<bfly>mtn: i'm aware, just liked the message :)
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13:31<bfly>i do dust-upgrade my apartment regularly
13:31<bfly>sometimes downgrade, too
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13:39<Walex>smartdust as in "A deepness upon the sky"?
13:39<weasel>upon? in!
13:40<weasel>upon is fire and deep
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14:46<CQ>is there any way I can figure out if can use FB-DDR2s on my MoBo or not? I don't think it can use ECC ... MoBo is http://www.msi.com/product/mb/G45M.html#/?div=Basic
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15:12<houms>i am trying to fix my icedtea plugin 7 on debian testing. the web plugin shows in iceweasel but it does not seem to run. i open it in terminal and go to http://www.javatester.org/version.html and i get this in terminal http://pastie.org/8378274
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15:16<houms>not sure if this is an issue with 7u21 or not
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15:18<houms>should I be trying to use the unstable version?
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15:19<houms>looks similar to this it seems http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/distro-pkg-dev/2013-August/024318.html
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15:20<maxy>houms: It works for me
15:20<maxy>But, in sid.
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15:21<maxy>7u25-2.3.12-4
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15:26<houms>yeah see that is different package then the one in testing
15:26<houms>which i don't understand because it seems 7u25 is also in stable for security
15:26<houms>so not sure why testing still has 7u21?
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15:55<CQ>is there any way I can figure out if can use FB-DDR2s on my MoBo or not? I don't think it can use ECC ... MoBo is http://www.msi.com/product/mb/G45M.html#/?div=Basic
15:55<CQ>or does FB mean ECC automatically?
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15:58<NickUK>Hi
15:58<NickUK>Quick question - What's the best way of mounting a folder in Linux to a Windows Machine?
15:59<NickUK>I've got it hooked up via sFTP using an application but it's not great on speed.
16:00<louiemat_>is this the elementary os xchat?
16:00<wompa>I don't know about best, but you can mount a Windows share in Debian
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16:00<wompa>louiemat_, no, this is for Debian
16:00<blast007>!elementary os
16:00<dpkg>elementary OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://elementaryos.org/ #elementary on irc.freenode.net.
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16:01<NickUK>Wompa - other way round
16:01<NickUK>I need to mount a folder that's in a linux box into a Windows machine.
16:02<blast007>CQ: if you check the detailed specs, it says "Supports four unbuffered DIMM of 1.8 Volt DDR2 667/800 DRAM, 16GB Max"
16:02<CQ>blast007: yes, but does that mean it specifically _doesn't_ support buffered?
16:02<wompa>NickUK, setup samba server in Debian
16:02<blast007>CQ: I would assume so
16:03<CQ>blast007: would concur with what the EBAY FAQ thinks: http://stores.ebay.com/GeeK-NoiZe-Memory-and-More/RAM-Types-Explained.html
16:03<CQ>thanks
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16:03<blast007>"240 pin FB-DIMM DDR2 are notched differently from conventional 240-pin DDR2. Those types are neither mechanically nor electrically compatible."
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16:16<NickUK>Thanks Wompa
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16:16<NickUK>Didn't realise Samba was that easy to configure took me 5 Minutes
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16:26<Stush>hey guys how do i make sslstrip work?
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16:49<hacker25>ehy
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16:50<plomlompom>Hi there. I notice manpages.debian.net seems to be down (and for one day at least already according to <https://mobile.twitter.com/serverhorror/status/385750098291875840>). Any info available on when it might be up again?
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16:54<draclear>Facebook
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16:54<hacker25>avete un gruppo facebook ?
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17:00<David>Hello there
17:00<David>i have a question may be stupid but i want to be fix
17:01<David>is debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso a bootable iso right
17:01<David>??
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17:07<hacker25>la iso funziona pure su usb xD
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17:08<David>sorry it s only works for usb ?
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17:08<retrospectacus>David: no
17:09<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell David about install debian
17:09<retrospectacus>DVD2 and up are just additional software packages
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17:10<David>must tale number 1 ?
17:10<David>must take number one ?
17:11<David>guess so
17:11<retrospectacus>there are many install CDs; DVD1 is one of them.
17:11<hacker25>i not speak englesh sorry
17:11<retrospectacus>the robot sent you a private message David
17:11<hacker25>i speak italian xD
17:11<retrospectacus>!it
17:11<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:12<hacker25>#debian-it
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17:12<hacker25>come faccio ad andarci ?
17:12<retrospectacus>hacker25: type /join #debian-it
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17:47<lol>hi debhelper
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17:48<lol>hello
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17:50<lol>hi girls
17:51<retrospectacus>lol: this is not a chat channel. Please ask your debian question, or be quiet
17:52<lol>as i do
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18:26*qftk vendo quickfire tk 50€ porto
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18:32<hacker>?
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18:32<Guest1380>español ?
18:32<liberte>hello, I can't download the business card installer iso for debian 7
18:32<liberte>the link in the debian web is 404
18:33<liberte>http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-i386-businesscard.iso
18:33<liberte>someone can halp me?
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18:33<liberte>Guest1380 si buscas un canal en español ve a #debian-es pero por lo general siempre hay poca gente
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18:34<babilen>liberte: We no longer provide them. Use the netinstall images (they are also available with firmware if you require that). See "/msg dpkg netinst" and "/msg dpkg firmware image"
18:34<babilen>dpkg: tell liberte -about businesscard
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18:37<liberte>thanks babilen
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18:39<liberte>there are an unnofficial way to install debian by 3'5" floppy?
18:40<retrospectacus>that's a big floppy!
18:41<liberte>*3,5" lol
18:41<spikeb>haha
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18:45<liberte>well, thank you very much guys
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19:09<qftk>backports for vlc?
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19:10<retrospectacus>,v vlc
19:10<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2.0.8-1; sid: 2.0.8-1+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0.8-dmo5; sid-multimedia: 1:2.1.0-dmo4
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19:13<qftk>i wanted a new version for wheezy but no luck
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19:20<family>hi trying to use the business card net install image , when i get the partitioning stage it cant find either of my hdd's only the usb (the usb with the image on) so obviously i dont want to install to the usb , i would like to install to an ext4 partition on the harddrive , anyone know what might be the problem
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19:20<newdeb>hi all i'm having a problem. Too many open files (Errno::EMFILE) i thought of edit /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max but when i'm adding a number greater than 32768 when i'm going to save with pico getting Error writing pid_max: Invalid argument
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19:21<newdeb>any idea? thanks
19:21<retrospectacus>newdeb: 1) pid_max has nothing to do with "too many open files" 2) you cannot edit those files with pico
19:22<retrospectacus>and I don't believe you can increase that particular value
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19:24<retrospectacus>newdeb: see "ulimit -a" or -n
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19:25<retrospectacus>family: maybe you can set some "mode" of your hard drives in your BIOS
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19:27<family>retrospectacus, not sure what you mean
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19:28<retrospectacus>family: sometimes the bios will have an option for "hard drive mode" options like sata/ide/compat things
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19:28<retrospectacus>family: more likely you should try the netinst - the businesscard images are not very reliable
19:28<David>whois
19:29<family>retrospectacus, ok , the bios see them correctly as sata drives , i can even boot as expected from them , just the installer doesnt find them
19:29<retrospectacus>yes, I know. That is the problem this option may solve.
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19:30<family>retrospectacus, can i use grub2 to boot the iso , last time i tried i wasnt able , hence the reason i used the business card image
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19:31<retrospectacus>grub, what??
19:31<retrospectacus>it's an ISO - you choose it and it boots. No grub necessary
19:32<family>retrospectacus, i use grub2 to boot the iso's instead dding the image to a usb
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19:32<retrospectacus>why?
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19:33<family>retrospectacus, so i can have more than installer per usb , at the moment i have 19
19:33<retrospectacus>hmm. do the others work and see tha hard drive?
19:33<retrospectacus>the*
19:33<babilen>that will cause problems when the installer is trying to find the "CD"
19:33<family>retrospectacus, yep all the other work
19:34<family>babilen, thats why i couldnt use the netinstall image , but the business card image works alright
19:34<retrospectacus>newdeb: you should try to figure out *why* you have too many open files, that is your actual problem
19:35<family>babilen, retrospectacus any i think i found the problem
19:36<retrospectacus>which is?
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19:36<family>babilen, retrospectacus thanks for the time , it was downloading the kernel as part of the process
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19:41<babilen>family: huh, where did you find a wheezy businesscard image?
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19:42<family>babilen, ive had it for a while i think that was the problem , but i downloaded from debian's website , hang on ill see if i can find it again
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19:44<newdeb>retrospectacus, yes second to paste you
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19:45<family>babilen, cant seem to find them now
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19:45<newdeb>retrospectacus, http://pastebin.com/5EFbRCYd
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19:46<babilen>family: We don't offer them anymore, which is why I was surprised
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19:47<retrospectacus>newdeb: heh
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19:48<family>babilen, ok , thats probably why it didnt work , thats a shame , that was the best way to install in my opinion , no unwanted shit
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19:48<retrospectacus>newdeb: I think if you run "ulimit -n 1024000" or so before running that, it may help
19:49<babilen>family: So if you have a wheezy businesscard image it must be of an old alpha version of the installer that I really wouldn't recommend anymore. If you cannot use another installation method then I would use the squeeze one. If you simply want to boot an installer "from disk" then you should look into http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd
19:49<babilen>family: The netinstall simply contains the "base system" and packages of the standard task. I wouldn't consider that unwanted shit at all.
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19:51<retrospectacus>newdeb: see bug 585448
19:52<family>babilen, i want meaning the netinstall image i was talking about live media, my main problem with that was i had to use a usb instead off the hd , as i couldnt boot the netinstall iso using grub , kept wanting to know where the cd was , but looks like the link you posted might be a workaround
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19:53<family>babilen, its a lot of fucking around i suppose , but itll have to do
19:54<retrospectacus>newdeb: my earlier suggestion might work; otherwise: remove apt-listbugs ; complete your upgrade; install apt-listbugs
19:54<babilen>family: Can't you boot into the installer using http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ as detailed in the install guide that I linked?
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19:55<babilen>(or s/i386/amd64 or whatever architecture you want)
19:55<family>babilen, i have to download and create the entries first , but then should be able to
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21:14<konstantinos>hey
21:14<yusbely>hola
21:14<other_nick-37>yo
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21:14<newdeb>retrospectacus, yeah i check forum and what you said its a bug not serious everything ok now. Thx a lot appreciated
21:14<konstantinos>trying to edit something here..my eyes gone red
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21:39<ben_>i just installed testing , installed the nvidia drivers , seemed to install fine , but after rebooting i only get 640x480 resolution , the headers are installed , lsmod does say im using nvidia , i even tried installing the driver from unstable thinking it was a buggy driver version
21:40<other_nick-37>You can check the X logs to see what's happening, at /var/log/Xorg.0<something>
21:41<other_nick-37>grep for EE to get the nasty stuff
21:41<ben_>there are no errors , a warning tho it cant find the edid of the monitor
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21:42<ben_>but looking through synaptic looks like i need the 304 alternative not nvidia-glx
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21:46<other_nick-37>if you have an older card
21:47<other_nick-37>search google for nvidia linux drivers to find out which driver match your card
21:47<other_nick-37>xorg bases the resolution on EDID. If it can't find it is probably falling back to defaults
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22:12<ben_>i came in here before with problems with the nvidia driver , i installed the legacy 304 packages , but still i cant get a higher resolution than 640x480
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22:16<lostson>did you run nvidia-xconfig as root
22:17<ben_>lostson, yes
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22:26<AaroneusTheGreat>hello, anyone here?
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22:33<AaroneusTheGreat>I was hoping someone might be able to give me some insight on problems with flash and iceweasel.
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22:43<AgentC>when "ssh root@localhost" failed due permission denieded. what can be wrong ?
22:43<AgentC>with correct password
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22:44<AaroneusTheGreat>your sshd config might not be set to allow root logins maybe?
22:44<AgentC>how to change ?
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22:45<AaroneusTheGreat>nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config and look for PermitRootLogin and set it to yes
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22:45<AgentC>AaroneusTheGreat: right, with useraccount it is working
22:45<LtL>AgentC: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config but i don't advise it.
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22:45<LtL>AaroneusTheGreat: how did you install flash, or have you
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22:46<AaroneusTheGreat>I tried gnash, lightspark and adobe's flash
22:46<AgentC>no, better not to allow root login
22:46<AaroneusTheGreat>lightspark didn't work at all
22:46<LtL>AaroneusTheGreat: enable contrib in sources.list and install flashplugin-nonfree
22:46<AaroneusTheGreat>gnash worked for the most part but vevo videos kept thinking i didn't have flash player at all
22:47<AaroneusTheGreat>right I've got that on there now and I ran update-alternatives and set it to the adobe flash, but the problem is on certain sites the videos are all black and flash a few squares of the video when i pause them (they appear to be playing)
22:47<AaroneusTheGreat>and on some of them if they have a full screen option when you choose that it appears to work just fine. but some of them don't have the full screen option. It depends on the site
22:49<AaroneusTheGreat>AgentC: might i ask why you want to login to an ssh session on localhost as root? there may be a better way to do what you're trying to do
22:49<LtL>AaroneusTheGreat: i've never needed to resort to update-alternatives, you might check about:config in iceweasel and see if adobe is in there.
22:49<AgentC>moment
22:49<AaroneusTheGreat>hmm that's a good idea LtL I'll see what it's trying to do
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22:51<AaroneusTheGreat>LtL: It doesn't appear to have an entry in about:config but it shows up in addons/plugins as shockwave flash player and shows the correct version number
22:51<AaroneusTheGreat>so it appears it's using the adobe flash player, i think
22:51<AaroneusTheGreat>and when i right click on the videos that don't work the context menu shows "about adobe flash player..."
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22:53<LtL>AaroneusTheGreat: hrm, it should work. what version iceweasel? you might try a newer version at mozilla.debian.net although that really shouldn't matter. imo
22:53<AaroneusTheGreat>V 17.0.9
22:54<LtL>AaroneusTheGreat: you can get v24 at mdn, i 'think' it's available for wheezy if thats what your running.
22:54<AaroneusTheGreat>yeah i'm running wheezy
22:56<LtL>dpkg: tell AaroneusTheGreat -about mdn
22:56<LtL>AaroneusTheGreat: read the msg from dpkg the bot.
22:56<AaroneusTheGreat>cool
22:57<AaroneusTheGreat>that was a neat trick btw
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22:58<LtL>AaroneusTheGreat: flash 'should' work on your version, but it may be worth a try.
22:58<AaroneusTheGreat>yeah and it's no biggie to revert this way so i'll give it a shot
22:59<LtL>AaroneusTheGreat: you'll want the 'release' version, follow the directions at the mdn site carefully.
22:59<LtL>its very easy
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23:00<AaroneusTheGreat>I'm installing v24 now
23:00<piper>if still problems you could try apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree && ln -s /tmp ~/.macromedia && update-flashplugin-nonfree -iv possibly update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
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23:01<AaroneusTheGreat>same problem
23:02<AaroneusTheGreat>meh
23:02<LtL>AaroneusTheGreat: i would give piper's advice a shot.
23:02<AaroneusTheGreat>I'll try it now
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23:04<piper>AaroneusTheGreat: you *should have iceweasel closed when installing ';)
23:05<piper>flash ^^^
23:05<AaroneusTheGreat>lol yes that i was aware of
23:06<AaroneusTheGreat>hmm well it appears i'm at the latest version of flash player and update alternatives says i'm using it
23:06<AaroneusTheGreat>I'm at a loss
23:06<AaroneusTheGreat>I am beginning to suspect the problem isn't with flash itself
23:06<AaroneusTheGreat>it might be my video drivers, because fullscreen seems to work fine when i can manage to click the invisible icon to make the videos fullscreen
23:07<AaroneusTheGreat>or use the keyboard shortcut
23:07<piper>you could try ./firefox -profilemanager in konsole
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23:07<AaroneusTheGreat>I'm running the ironlake i3, intel hd integrated graphics and i've had strange issues with it and from all the reading i've done i've found the i915 driver it uses to be thus far incomplete.
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23:08<AaroneusTheGreat>hmm interesting. what would you suggest i do in a profile?
23:09<piper>its like using a clean profile
23:09<AaroneusTheGreat>oh i see
23:09<piper>just to rule anything out
23:09<AaroneusTheGreat>i just started a new one let's see how it goes
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23:10<piper>ah, i see, just came home from work and really havent read back far enough on the problem, my bad
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23:10<AaroneusTheGreat>same problem. Dang that's a bummer but that was a good idea, it could have been some kind of setting that messes it up.
23:10<AaroneusTheGreat>*messed
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23:11<AaroneusTheGreat>AgentC: did you figure out your problem?
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23:12<piper>yeah, why i suggested it, hmm, i use nvidia so i have nothing with intel graphics to test anything
23:12<AaroneusTheGreat>well you're lucky. the intel hd graphics are a pain in the butt.
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23:13<AaroneusTheGreat>I'm looking to invest in a good desktop machine before too long for graphics intensive things, but it would be nice to finally iron out all the quirks on this laptop.
23:13<piper>using linux for a little bit, won't use anything else ;)
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23:14<AaroneusTheGreat>Oh yeah? idk how nvidia and linux have been historically so i wouldn't know, but I did start using linux a long time ago, and back then I had an nvidia gpu in my desktop and it seemed to never have any problems.
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23:17<piper>well, been using sid for 10 + years here ;) mandrake before debian, debian is the best thing out there (my opinion)
23:17<AaroneusTheGreat>I agree
23:17<AaroneusTheGreat>I'm digging the latest release. Gnome 3 is just so comfortable to use
23:17<piper>not a gnome user at all :)
23:18<AaroneusTheGreat>oh yeah what environment are you running?
23:18<piper>kde
23:18<AaroneusTheGreat>oh cool deal
23:19<AaroneusTheGreat>I was running a box with that on it a long while ago, i don't remember why i eventually settled into gnome but I'm pretty used to it now.
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23:19<piper>lxde, and rqt are also good
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23:20<AaroneusTheGreat>I've never tried rqt but I have tried lxde
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23:20<AaroneusTheGreat>I liked lxde, but I think I've grown attached to the flashy eye candy stuff.
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23:21<piper>well, being a support channel, that's enough *chat* have to run anyways, good luck on your problem hope you solve it, sorry i was no help
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23:21<AaroneusTheGreat>yeah true sorry i got a bit off topic. Thanks for trying!
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23:44<MisterE>debian is hard yo
23:45<MisterE>but gentoo, that shit give you neckbeard 2.0
23:46<MisterE>elitist attitude 1.5 too
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