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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-06

---Logopened Sun Oct 06 00:00:50 2013
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00:24<redder>i am using xfce, how do i install chinese language support so i can type in chinese characters?
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00:25<SamB>redder: you want an input method
00:25<redder>suggestions SamB?
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00:26<SamB>I don't really know anything about chinese input methods; I just thought the technical term might be useful in searching
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00:30<SamB>apt-cache search "input method" brings up an awful lot of results to sort through :-(
00:33<redder>im trying scim atm
00:33<redder>if not that ill try ibus
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02:04<CQ>hello, I have a cups problem. I have a windows XP vbox guest happily connected to and printing and scanning to a brother printer. It was happily sharing the printer to windows and unix (cups) clients. now the cups clients fail with
02:05<CQ>Paused - "Unable to connect to CIFS host after (tried 3 times)"
02:05<CQ>http://paste.debian.net/51507/ has output from smbclient -N -L
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02:46<waqar>hi
02:47<waqar>how are you friends
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03:58<anonimus>zzz
03:58<whisky>Hello everyone
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04:24<mof>hi
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04:25*ocamagica is away: on
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04:55<swapnil>Hi
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05:05<heroxbd>or is there an environment variable to control it
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05:56<CQ>(unknown tty7 :0 Wed Oct 2 09:46 still logged in ....what does this mean?
05:56<CQ>on tty7 there should be a display manager, but nothing logged in ...
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05:57<CQ>thats a line from 'last'
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06:06<Agentc_handy>!xorg
06:06<dpkg>X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian 4.0 "Etch". To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. Backports for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" are available, ask about <bdo xorg>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://x.org/ #xorg on irc.freenode.net.
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06:25<themill>ocamagica: please disable public away notices
06:26*ocamagica is away: off
06:26<ocamagica>in this moment i see videoclips of michael jackson with con dvd
06:26<ocamagica>i am catalonian man of 37 years
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06:27<ocamagica>i have dictionary in my hand to speak with you
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06:27<ocamagica>i have problems to open javachats
06:27<themill>ocamagica: perhaps you want #moocows
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06:27<ocamagica>unknow with client irc encripted talk
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06:28<ocamagica>themill i was use freeBSD, i
06:28<ocamagica>themill i was use freeBSD, is debian with kernel linux and kernel bsd, is better debian, i have wheezy
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06:29<themill>Debian's linux ports are much more mature than the other ones
06:29<ocamagica>deligthed to you
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06:30<ocamagica>deligthed know to you
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06:31<ocamagica>i go away, want hear music in my tv, with my dvd
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06:32<themill>dpkg: tell ocamagica about away
06:32<ocamagica>yes in away
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06:32<ocamagica>ok
06:34<ocamagica>more later compile my kernel, want download, pleas dont talk me, i go to my tv, to hear music, i speak language of shaskepeare, because of this, i cant speak how american people, i lear english and latin alone
06:35<ocamagica>themill you read me?
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06:35<themill>ocamagica: try #moocows for general social chatter
06:35<ocamagica>more later compile my kernel, want download, pleas dont talk me, i go to my tv, to hear music, i speak language of shaskepeare, because of this, i cant speak how american people, i lear english and latin alone
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07:09<otherflow>hi folk, anyone knows a way to install ATI driver in dkms way ?
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07:09<devil>sure, there should be a wiki
07:10<SynrG>!fglrx dkms
07:10<dpkg>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist.
07:10<devil>otherflow: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
07:11<otherflow>ty SynrG devil
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09:04<roy>i love linux
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10:10<bfly>hi there, i'm trying to see unabbreviated usernames in "ps" output
10:10<bfly>on debian wheezy
10:11<bfly>i'm trying: ps aux --cols 20
10:11<bfly>and other values for --cols but it doesn't change anything - the columns always keep the same size
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10:12<bfly>i'm logged in via ssh from a ubuntu desktop if this matters.
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10:31<CQ>bfly try 'man ps' for more options, or ps --help ... ps -ealf ha slong info
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10:35<bfly>the column containing the username is still the same size. but i suspect it's because the username isnt properly resolved, really.
10:36<abrotman>bfly: COLS=200 command
10:36<abrotman>perhaps
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10:39<bfly>no change. i assume ps never increases the width of the username column above that of the longest username it needs to print
10:39<bfly>and UID just isn't properly resolved to the long username
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10:47<TobiX>bfly: It doesn't even go that far. I can't get it to print more then 8 characters for the username...
10:48<bfly>so maybe we have the same issue there ;)
10:48<TobiX>For example the dbus system bus is running as messagebus, ps says "message+"
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11:06<CQ>try -n Numeric output for WCHAN and USER (including all types of UID and GID).
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11:06<CQ>nvm, something else
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11:30<marco_>is this working?
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11:30<marco_>i need help with my repositories
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11:31<ectospasm>what do you need help with?
11:31<ectospasm>!ask
11:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:31<marco_>ok, i have just installed debian, and i think something is wrong with the repositories
11:32<marco_>i cant download basic packages like clang or xchat
11:32<ectospasm>marco_: pastebin the error you get
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11:32<ectospasm>also, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
11:33<ectospasm>I'm having an issue with smartmontools... logwatch/syslog reports a S.M.A.R.T. error on one of my disks (Offline uncorrectable sector), but when I run "smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda" or "smartctl -A /dev/sda" I don't see any error sectors.
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11:36<marco_>here it is http://pastebin.com/yZLxaHLW
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11:39<marco_>so what should i do? i'm pretty sure those aren't the repositories i need.
11:39<ectospasm>get rid of those cdrom entries from sources.list
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11:42<ectospasm>you probably want a line like: deb http://ftp.debian.org/ wheezy main contrib
11:42<ectospasm>change to your local mirror
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11:45<marco_>thank you
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12:50<horux1>help plis
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12:50<horux1>help plis
12:50<horux1>help
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12:51<sinthar>hi
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13:07<cibegtd>could someone help me to find some information about void functions in sun rpc, server side
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13:08<horux1>help
13:08<horux1>plissssssssssssss
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13:16<babilen>horux1: If you have a question just ask it. Also: What is your native language?
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13:18<horux1>I speak Portuguese, to using google translator, face, wanting to install compiz on debian wheezy, and there in no debian repos, already tried installing the 0.9.9 source.list ubuntu install more and not working, almost to migrating debian to ubuntu only because of compiz
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13:36<CQ>!debian-pt
13:36<dpkg>well, debian-pt is /join #debian-pt
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13:40<horux1>anyone by it, did not understand, or can not help me?
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14:02<paulo>ola
14:03<horux1>e ae
14:03<horux1>brasileiro ?
14:03<paulo>alguem de portugal
14:03<ompaul>!pt
14:03<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:10<khaos>hi i want to ask about switching from stable -> testing (jessie). I only need to change the repository name from stable to testing?
14:10<mtn>khaos: changing it to jessie is the preferred way
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14:11<khaos>mtn, just replacing the word stable to jessie and after apt-get update,upgrade and dist-upgrade?
14:11<mtn>khaos: yes, but don't think you need plain upgrade in there.
14:12<khaos>mtn, thank you, update and just dist-upgrade?
14:12<mtn>khaos: some of the wheezy lines won't work with jessie. just the main one should be kept, put a # in front of the others.
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14:13<khaos>oh ok thank you
14:13<mtn>khaos: yes, update and dist-upgrade.
14:13<khaos>thank you mtn
14:13<mtn>khaos: and you know things might be broken in testing, right?
14:13<khaos>mtn, yeap I know!
14:13<mtn>khaos: ok, have fun
14:13<khaos>mtn, thank you! :)
14:14<mtn>khaos: welcome
14:14<jacob_>Hey! I just installed Debian GNOME, and it ran in fallback mode because my graphics card isn't supported, or I don't have the right drivers. How should I install the proper drivers for my Radeon HD 6850
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14:15<mtn>jacob_: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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14:17<jacob_>mtn thanks
14:17<mtn>jacob_: welcome
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14:42<jacob_>Fast please, best program for making a bootable USB stick?
14:42<petn-randall>jacob_: cp
14:42<mtn>jacob_: in debian, anyway.
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14:43<mtn>jacob_: or I should say, for debian
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14:43<jacob_>the cp command works for it?
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14:44<mtn>jacob_: sure, go look at the debian site for installing instructions
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14:44<jacob_>mtn I just want to load the Mint ISO on a flash drive
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14:45<mtn>jacob_: better go ask mint how they like to do it.
14:45<neo1691>jacob_: you want to open an iso on a flash drive?
14:46<jacob_>neo1691 I want to mount it. In mint, I could right click the file and "make bootable USB stick" now I just need a program to do it
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14:47<mtn>jacob_: probably dd, but still better see how mint likes their sticks made
14:47<neo1691>jacob_: can be done using mount command
14:47<neo1691>Or you trying to make bootable USB then take a look at unetbootin
14:48<neo1691>else as mtn said, try asking on mint
14:48<jacob_>making a bootable USB to install Mint
14:48<mtn>jacob_: dd works on most distros, but not all, so you should check with mint
14:49<mtn>on=for
14:50<jacob_>How would I use the dd command then?
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14:51<mtn>jacob_: dd works for most distros, but not all, so you should check with mint
14:51<jacob_>mtn I get that, I just need to know the syntax
14:51<mtn>jacob_: go ask mint
14:51<mtn>jacob_: or, man dd
14:51<jacob_>mtn I got it
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14:56<jacob_>'/dev/sdx' is the target USB drive.
14:56<jacob_>and it says to run fdisk -1 to find the target
14:56<jacob_>but I can't find which name to put
14:57<jacob_>nevermind
14:58<SamB>I think it said -l not -1
14:58<SynrG>ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
14:59<SynrG>ah, mint ...
14:59<SynrG>!mint
14:59<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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15:03<horux1>and my compiz ?
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15:04<devil>and your compiz?
15:04<horux1>yes
15:04<devil>what about it?
15:05<horux1>do not think in any repository
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15:06<devil>apt-cache search compiz is all there is
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15:09<horux1>cairo-clock - Analog clock drawn with vector-graphics
15:09<horux1>pdfcube - PDF document viewer with 3D effects
15:09<horux1>compiz-fusion-bcop - gerador de código de opções Compiz Fusion
15:09<horux1>screenlets - mini-aplicações para GNOME estilo widget
15:09<horux1>awn-applets-c-core - Collection of applets for Awn, written in C or Vala
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15:10<horux1>cairo-clock - Analog clock drawn with vector-graphics
15:10<horux1>pdfcube - PDF document viewer with 3D effects
15:10<devil>stop pasting into the channel please
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15:10<horux1>ok
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15:11<horux1>we do not have compiz repositories
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15:13<SamB>I think compiz probably fell prey to CADT?
15:13<SamB>!cadt
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15:13<horux1>what cadt ?
15:13<SamB><fsbot> From memory, CADT is the Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers model <http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html>
15:14<devil>:)
15:14<horux1>what ?
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15:15<devil>it is just not maintained anymore and fell out of the repos
15:15<devil>at least in debian
15:16<horux1>bullshit
15:16<devil>ok
15:16<horux1>will migrate from distro just because of this farce, first gnome 3 turns garbage after the not to use compiz on debian
15:17<devil>use kde and you do not need compiz :)
15:17<mtn>horux1: ha ha, bye bye
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15:18<horux1>compiz ja vem no k.d.e por padrao ?
15:18<horux1>kde*
15:19<horux1>compiz is already in k.d.e by default?
15:19<devil>most of it, yes
15:19<devil>desktop effects
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15:19<horux1>kde is another shit
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15:20<horux1>miss of the season, and 2 gnome compiz
15:20<devil>horux1: you are such a nice customer, we really like you.
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15:21<horux1>beauty, then install compiz on my pc remote access to give you a kiss
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15:23<ardex>What is this? paste.debian.net/51974
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15:30<SamB>horux1: unfortunately we lack the means to prevent GNOME from abandoning their existing software to write new, even-buggier software ...
15:31<SamB>and we also lack the manpower to maintain the old software ourselves
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15:32<ixi>debian should have dropped gnome when first signs of insanity have shown up
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15:32<horux1>dust galley of compiz 0.9.9 ja developed that uses ubuntu, debian and lies outside, down to the ubuntu, the shame that I fez passar debian, ubuntu migrate pra pra use compiz ..
15:32<devil>ixi: where can i sign? ;)
15:33<chealer>horux1, SamB, ixi: please stick to the topic
15:34<horux1>is a shame to have to change a good distro, which was already used to use ubuntu only because of compiz
15:34<horux1>regrettable
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15:35<devil>to change distro because of bling is heavily debatable
15:35<mtn>horux1: do you have a debian support question? if not, there are other chat channels
15:36<horux1>i have, I want compiz on debian
15:36<horux1>Can you help me?
15:37<mtn>horux1: you already got an answer to that, didn't you?
15:37<horux1>I do not know, is it? is no longer possible to use compiz on debian?
15:37<devil>no.
15:37<devil>not from the repos
15:38<horux1>I will have to compile the dependencies then build the compiz?
15:38<SamB>horux1: if you want to bring it back, or package it for your own use (perhaps starting from this ubuntu package you mentioned?) you could go to #debian-mentors
15:38<devil>you are free to compile your own and be on your own with that
15:38<mtn>horux1: if you really have to have it, yes
15:39<chealer>SamB: #debian-mentors is only for contributors.
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15:40<horux1>I asked her some help, we'll see
15:41<horux1>I end up turning gay geek in ubuntu
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15:41<SamB>I'm pretty sure we welcome any packaging questions there, on the theory that more packaging competency can only be a good thing
15:42<horux1>bremner> horux1: you should ask in #debian
15:42<horux1>ok
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15:43<horux1>is not going to have the same way, a pity
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15:44<chealer>horux1: This channel's topic is Debian support. Discussions of different topics should be held elsewhere.
15:45<horux1>debian over for me
15:45<horux1>thanks
15:45<horux1>"/
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15:46<horux1>bye
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16:01<adam_>hi
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16:14<ardex>anyone read my upload?
16:15<abrotman>your what?
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16:15<ardex>I uploaded a file to paste
16:15<devil>ardex: means nothing to me. where is that from?
16:15<abrotman>did you give us the URL?
16:15<ardex>y
16:16<abrotman>i know nothing
16:16<devil>abrotman: paste.debian.net/51974
16:16<ardex>lost in the scrollback
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16:16<ardex>ah so
16:17<ardex>thanks Mr. D
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16:17<ardex>devil: its from /etc/udev
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16:18<devil>ardex: how did you get prompted to it? what is the problem?
16:18<ardex>I'm trying to connect a PDA Pilot and UDEV is complicated
16:19<devil>there, now we get to the point
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16:19<devil>ardex: usb?
16:19<jemadux>how to unsbuscribe to bug tracking system ?
16:19<ardex>y. usb
16:19<devil>ardex: so what happens if you connect it?
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16:20<ardex>it returns a connection error
16:20<devil>and the error is?
16:20<ardex>I'm using jpilot
16:20<devil>i do not know what that is
16:20<ardex>let me try to sync it...
16:23<ardex>it's in a cradle with a hotsync button. "The connection between the handheld computer and the desktop could not be established. Please check your setup and try again."
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16:23<devil>that does help a lot :)
16:24<ardex>dontyaknow
16:24<devil>can you reconnect it and after 30 seonds look at the last lines of dmesg?
16:24<ardex>ok. brb
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16:31<ardex>is this anything? [ 11.691839] The scan_unevictable_pages sysctl/node-interface has been disabled for lack of a legitimate use case. If you have one, please send an email to linux-mm@kvack.org.
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16:34<ardex>paste.debian.net/52010
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16:34<redder>my new debian install doesnt seem to have device drivers for the sound card on this comp, where would i get those?
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16:38<waynr>redder: what sound card?
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16:39<redder>not really sure, its a Lenovo ideapad s205
16:41<redder>lemme check and see
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16:43<devil>ardex: hm, the last line could be for the device, but that does not help either
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16:44<ardex>hmmm
16:44<waynr>redder: do you see anything when you run 'lspci | grep Audio'?
16:44<ardex>devil: paste.debian.net/52010
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16:44<devil>ardex: can you see the device with lsusb -vv?
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16:44<waynr>also, just to be sure that there really isn't a driver installed for that audio card, could you paste the output of 'lspci -k'?
16:45<redder>waynr: here was the output http://pastebin.com/rT3ttvE1
16:47<waynr>redder: is that the output with the '-k' flag?
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16:48<devil>ardex: ?
16:48<redder>waynr here is the output of 'lspci -k' http://pastebin.com/ftV17AA1
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16:49<redder>waynr looks like it might be AMD ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
16:51<waynr>redder: looks like both sound devices are using (or being used by??) the snd_hda_intel driver
16:51<ardex>devil: no I don't see it
16:51<N580-Noob>noob q.... how does one look at the hardware via debian. for example if you wanted to see how much memory you have or what processor, see the hard coded serial numbers, or if the system has usb3.0 (vs. usb2.0)?
16:51<redder>waynr so then why would it be that i still have no sound?
16:52<devil>ardex: thought so. please try a google search with debian and your exact device name in it, I gotta walk the dog.
16:52<ardex>want a paste of the export?
16:52<giudaballerino>hi, i have a problem with installation ia32libs. packet broken. can you help me?
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16:52<waynr>redder: what makes you think you don't have sound?
16:52<redder>waynr it doesnt matter how high i try and crank the volume i dont hear anyting
16:53<ardex>devil: ok. And thanks again. (.beer) :)
16:53<redder>waynr truth be told i havent even found volume controls at this point, which made me think that the device driver for the sound card had not been installed
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16:54<waynr>redder: what program are you using that you expect to make sound? many times programs will rquire individual sound device selection
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16:54<waynr>redder: try installing "alsa-utils", then open a terminal and run 'alsamixer'
16:55<redder>waynr trying to stream videos online, i have flashplugin-nonfree and gnash installed, so i can see vids, but there is no audio
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16:55<waynr>redder: once you have alsamixer open, experiment with different available devices (using F6 to select between them). this should give you all the volume controls you need to be sure that the volume actually is turned up
16:56<waynr>I am guessing that you probably want to be setting volume on the SBx00 Azalia device as you mentioned earlier...the only one should only be relevant if you are trying to get sound on the HDMI port
16:57<redder>waynr so i just do apt-get install alsamixer?
16:57<waynr>redder: no, 'apt-get install alsa-utils'
16:57<waynr>alsamixer is provided by the alsa-utils package
16:57<redder>thx
16:58<waynr>erh, "the other one should only be relevant"*
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17:01<redder>waynr i already have alsamixer installed apparently, is it under system? i cant find the UI
17:02<waynr>redder: it's a text ui, not sure what the graphical equivalent is
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17:02<waynr>redder: open up a terminal emulator to run it
17:02<redder>is the command just 'alsamixer'?
17:02<waynr>yeah
17:04<nadir>alsamixergui is the gui, but i think you could also use xfce4-mixer (only a few dependencies)
17:04<nadir>the cli version should be sufficient too and it easy to use
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17:10<redder>waynr ive gone through the alsamixer, still not having any luck with sound, is there a wiki about how to use alsamixer? maybe im just not understanding how things should be configured
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17:11<waynr>redder: here is a general ALSA wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA
17:12<waynr>redder: pulseaudio can simplify management of sound devices also: https://wiki.debian.org/en/PulseAudio
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17:13<waynr>on problem with using alsa bare is that sometimes programs will take control of the sound device--which might explain why your gtk-gnash isn't able to output properly
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17:14<waynr>the pulseaudio server, on the other hand, controls the alsa sound driver and provides simplified access to multiple simultaneous "user" programs (at least, that's my understanding)
17:14<ompaul>N580-Noob: after installing lshw and the like all this info is held in /proc
17:14<paulo>ola
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17:15<N580-Noob>got it
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17:18<N580-Noob>i've looked thru the output of lshw, the usb section doesn't say version 2.0 or 3.0 and it does not indicate any of the link speed abilities. how does one know if usb2 or usb3 ports?
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17:22<ompaul>N580-Noob: you figure that one out?
17:22<N580-Noob>working on it ...
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17:23<Enyx>Hi
17:23<Enyx> Yesterday i had "MULTI: bad source address from client [CLIENTIP]" when connecting on w$ and not on linux. NOw i have it on both. And "Waiting for TUN/TAP interface [...]" on PC ... any idea ? :/
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17:30-!-GhostlyDeath is "http://remood.org/" on #debian #mingw-w64 @+#remood
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17:31<GhostlyDeath>Greetings, I have two interfaces: eth0 and ppp0, ppp0 is my internet gateway and eth0 goes to a computer or a router; I would like the system to be a router
17:31<GhostlyDeath>However, looking online for some iptables settings works to an extent
17:32<GhostlyDeath>Except the network gets flooded with SYN ACK DUP for about a few minutes following, until it finally stops
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17:32<GhostlyDeath># iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
17:32<GhostlyDeath># iptables --append FORWARD -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
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17:34<GhostlyDeath>dnsmasq runs on eth0 to provide DHCP addresses to the connected system
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17:35<patwotrik>what's the best way to see what packages and what versions of them that are in sid?
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17:38<GhostlyDeath>patwotrik: aptitude and packages.debian.org work well
17:38<patwotrik>yea i just found the website
17:38<patwotrik>but thanks
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17:41<patwotrik>i'm surprised that wine 1.6 is not in sid yet
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17:48<GhostlyDeath>Appears my major TCP flooding was due to iptables being stacked every reconnect
17:48<GhostlyDeath>Flushing all the tables appears to make thigns better
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17:50<devil>patwotrik: wine is always way behind in debian, even in sid
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18:15<redder>i just connected an external HD via USB to my comp but it wont let me mount it because i am an unprivelidged user, how do i open the volume?
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18:25<patwotrik>devil: why?
18:26<devil>patwotrik: no idea, I do not use it. you got to ask the maintainer
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19:26<inkbottle>I've put a message about bluez5 that doesn't start on #debian-next, I mean if anyone is interested...
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19:27<keep>oi:?
19:28<keep>algueeeem?
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20:53<redder>whats the command to unmount a drive in debian?
20:54<mshuler>umount /mount/point
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21:28<redder>mshuler i cant unmount becuase the device is busy, how do i figure out how to stop other operations so that i can unmount the device?
21:29<retrospectacus>redder: "lsof /mount/point"
21:29<retrospectacus>redder: note that simply being "cd" into the mount point counts as using it.
21:30<redder>retrospectacus im not cd'ed into the file, i have found the name of the program that is open, do i just kill it by targeting its PID?
21:31<redder>or is there a more elegant way to stop the program?
21:31<retrospectacus>of course - go to the program and quit it in the correct way
21:33<redder>retrospectacus thats just it, as near as i can tell i already quit the program, so im not sure why it still says that its running
21:33<redder>i cant access it, so im not sure how else to get it to stop
21:33<retrospectacus>what program
21:35<redder>truecrypt
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21:35<retrospectacus>anyways, yes. Kill might work, but quitting it using the X also sent kill. Killing it forcefully would likely have undesirable results
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21:36<redder>so is there a better way to go about it?
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21:40<retrospectacus>not really. programs are supposed to "catch" kill, finish their business and exit. truecrypt is still finishing its business I guess. Can you tell if it is actually moving data to/from the device?
21:40<redder>it shouldnt be, im not having it do anything
21:41<redder>how could i look to see if tc is still processing?
21:41<retrospectacus>use "top" or "ps faux" to see running processes
21:42<retrospectacus>the third column in "ps faux" is CPU usage
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21:42<retrospectacus>there is also iotop if you have it installed, to see disk I/O
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21:43<redder>i see it there, but i cant tell if its running
21:43<redder>how do i install iotop? aptitude install iotop?
21:44<retrospectacus>anything that is there is running.
21:44<retrospectacus>yes
21:45<redder>how do i use iotop correctly?
21:46<retrospectacus>just run it
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21:48<retrospectacus>it says what programs are reading/writing disk and how much
21:48<redder>i can only see a small number of programs, and i dont see truecrypt in the window
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22:00<retrospectacus>redder: don't know. Kill it I guess. I can't make any guess about the state of your crypt volume afterwards
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22:30<charly>hola
22:30<charly>alguien por aqui??
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22:31<amu>retrospectacus do you have samba running?
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22:34<retrospectacus>amu: no...
22:38<amu>are you trying to umount as su or sudo or just as a regular user?
22:39<retrospectacus>I'm fine. redder was having trouble with umount: device in use - by truecrypt
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23:15<wardhan>IDENTIFY
23:15<wardhan>help
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23:32<redder>how should i go about upgrading to Python 3 on Debian 7?
23:33<sney>redder: you can just 'apt-get install python3.3' - I think the binary is /usr/bin/python3. it won't replace python 2, though, because that would break things
23:33<redder>thx
23:34<sney>sorry, the package is called python3.2, not python3.3
23:34<redder>sney yeah i was just about to write back with the error message :)
23:34<redder>its going now
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23:35<redder>hey sney are you any good at figuring out how to get usb drives to unmount?
23:36<sney>what problem are you having? it should be pretty painless
23:37<redder>i tried to open an encrypted file on an external HD, got it open, closed it (or so I thought), but now every time i run umount on the usb it says the device is busy, still reading the encrypted file (even though i had unmounted it some time before)
23:38<sney>the encrypted file is specified? or it just says device is busy
23:38<redder>i cant even find the process in ls anymore, but still i get "device is busy" as the error message
23:39<redder>no its not specified
23:39<LtL>redder: do you happen to be in the USB's directory
23:39<sney>even having a shell open sitting in the mount point will tell the system the device is busy
23:39<redder>LtL nope im in root
23:40<redder>nothing open in the mount point
23:40<sney>well, something is. check lsof
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23:40<redder>any way to narrow lsof down? the output is huge
23:41<redder>the usb is mounted in /media and ive done 'ls /media' and i dont see anything
23:43<redder>it also says "In some cases useful info about processes that use
23:43<redder> the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1)"
23:43<redder>what do the 8 and 1 mean?
23:43<sney>man page sections
23:43<sney>what you want is lsof +D /mount/point
23:46<redder>tried it, no output
23:46<redder>drive is still busy
23:47<redder>what is the +D?
23:47<sney>it specifies a directory
23:47<sney>reading man pages is a good thing to do
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23:47<redder>ok, so how would i find lsof 8?
23:47<redder>just 'man lsof(8)'?
23:48<LtL>redder: man lsof 8
23:48<sney>if you need to specify a section then it's 'man section topic' - 'man 8 lsof'. however, most topics only exist in one section so you can just do 'man topic' - 'man lsof'
23:49<LtL>hrm, either works, i always forget order
23:49<sney>LtL: your way produces a "bad user" warning
23:50<LtL>sney: i don't get any warning, normally i do it your way. i had forgotten but it worked, no warnings.
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23:51<LtL>redder: maybe a 'sync' will wotk, just a guess
23:51<redder>LtL what is a sync?
23:52<LtL>redder: it syncs any data before a umount
23:52<redder>LtL so how would i use it?
23:52<LtL>redder: just type sync
23:52<redder>and then?
23:52<sney>and then hit enter
23:52<sney>it doesn't take any arguments
23:53<sney>sney@debaser:~$ man lsof 8
23:53<sney>No manual entry for 8
23:53<sney>(Alternatively, what manual page do you want from section 8?)
23:53<redder>tried it, still wont let me unmount usb
23:53<sney>maybe the admonishment is new in testing
23:53<redder>sney i started to read through the man page for lsof but there is so much content i dont know what im looking for
23:53<LtL>must be, i'm oldstable yet.
23:53<sney>(it did open the man page for lsof, the warning was visible after I closed it)
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23:54<LtL>redder: does 'mount' say its mounted?
23:54<sney>redder: at this point I would just suggest a reboot. or, having run sync, just unplug it and damn the torpedoes
23:54<sney>all a clean remove does is run sync anyway
23:54<redder>LtL how would i check that with mount?
23:55<LtL>redder: type mount and see what is outputs. you'll see
23:55<LtL>*it
23:55<redder>i cant even find the program in 'ps -e', i was gonna try and get its PID and just Kill it
23:56<redder>LtL yeah its mounted
23:56<LtL>redder: ps aux might be more helpful.
23:57<LtL>redder: you sure its not mounted in /mnt/
23:57<redder>LtL i dont see it aywhere in ps aux, and there is nothing in /mnt
23:57<redder>it mounted in /medua
23:57<LtL>redder: but nothing is there right
23:58<redder>correction /media
23:58<LtL>redder: ls -la /media/ shows nothing?
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23:58<redder>LtL: /mnt is empty
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23:59<redder>LtL that has 9 outputs, one is the encrypted volume
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