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---Logopened Mon Oct 07 00:00:39 2013
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00:00<LtL>redder: i'm not familiar with encrypted volumes so i'll stop stepping on sney's toes
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00:01<redder>ill just have to keep looking for its PID so i can kill it
00:01<sney>I'm not really either. my advice is still: if you're sure the file isn't open, and you have run 'sync', just unplug it
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00:03<LtL>redder: and no gui app is in the mount point either i presume
00:04<redder>not as far as i can tell, is there any way to bring up a list on the terminal to find out?
00:04<redder>at least its not on my screen
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00:06<redder>what does grep do?
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00:06<LtL>redder: get regular expression = grep
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00:06<redder>which means what?
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00:07<LtL>redder: it searches for any instance of a regular expression in a file or dir e.g. grep foo /foo/bar
00:08<redder>how do i look up a process by its PID?
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00:09<LtL>redder: ps aux |less or ps aux |grep foo
00:09<LtL>redder: foo can be a PID
00:10<LtL>or a process name
00:10<redder>that seems to have frozen the terminal
00:10<redder>i did grep ####
00:10<LtL>redder: using less? hit spacebar
00:11<redder>the cursor moves, but nothing happens
00:11<redder>just did ctrl D to return to command line
00:11<LtL>redder: you need to pipe ps aux output to grep
00:11<redder>how do i use less?
00:11<LtL>try ctrl^c
00:11<redder>so the command should look like "ps aux | grep PID"?
00:12<LtL>redder: less just buffers large outputs from scrolling past you
00:12<LtL>redder: correct
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00:13<redder>i get an output in /sbin/mount.ntf
00:14<pxr09>hi everyone. i'm trying to download a driver for my wireless adapter from realtek's website but they offer two drivers for my chipset, one follow by the letter L and one followed by the letter B. but when I run lsusb it only shows the chipset but no letter following it. how can i know which is the correct one?
00:14<redder>install both?
00:14<gsimmons>pxr09: And the chipset is?
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00:15<redder>just ask your question dora
00:15<redder>no need for greetings
00:15<LtL>redder: sure its not mount.ntfs
00:16<redder>LtL that could be correct, the 's' got cut to the next line
00:16<LtL>redder: nevermind, mount.ntf is there
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00:16<redder>LtL so i just do 'umount /sbin/mount.ntfs'?
00:16<pxr09>RTL8187 Wireless Adapter
00:17<LtL>redder: no
00:17<pxr09>see this page gsimmons,
00:17<LtL>redder: i think you're safe to sync and unplug it
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00:17<redder>LtL ok where can i read more about sync?
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00:18<LtL>redder: man sync
00:18<redder>LtL and can i just do kill PID?
00:18<LtL>redder: if you know what the pid is for
00:19<LtL>redder: its mount.ntf ? yeah that may work, its hung or a bug
00:19<gsimmons>pxr09: The USB ID of your device would assist. But the RTL8187{B,L,SE} chipsets are already supported by drivers provided by the mainline Linux kernel, you shouldn't need to build anything out-of-tree.
00:19<redder>LtL after the PID it lists: "/sbin/mount.ntfs /dev/sdc1 /media/usb1 -o rw"
00:19<LtL>redder: what did you type to umount
00:20<pxr09>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter
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00:20<pxr09>i just figured there might be a newer driver available on their site since this device was a recent purchase
00:20<redder>LtL previously i have tried both 'umount /media/usb1' and 'umount /dev/sdc1'
00:20<pxr09>it works out of the box though
00:21<LtL>redder: umount /media/usb1 would be correct. using dev may have done something weird..
00:21<redder>LtL what about using /sbin
00:21<SamB>pxr09: check the kernel changelogs
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00:22<pxr09>how and why?
00:23<LtL>redder: umount is in /bin/, /sbin/mount.nfs is the binary to mount it
00:23<SamB>I mean, you get newer drivers by updating the kernel; to find out if there ARE any newer drivers for that thing, you would have to check the changelog
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00:24<redder>LtL what part of /bin would unmount be in?
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00:24<LtL>redder: type 'which umount'
00:24<gsimmons>pxr09: That USB ID is generic and indicates either a RTL8187B or RTL8187L chip. But these 802.11g chips are rather old now, just use the mainline driver.
00:25<redder>LtL think it would be ok to try 'kill -15 PID'?
00:25<LtL>redder: thats the command path to umount anything, since its in your path you need not type the absolute path.
00:25<pxr09>by mainline driver you mean the one that came with debian.. so jjust plug and play without downloading anything?
00:26<LtL>redder: kill -9 is safer imo
00:26<gsimmons>pxr09: Yes.
00:26<redder>LtL i thought kill -9 was the risky one?
00:27<LtL>redder: its safer imo
00:27<LtL>man kill
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00:27<redder>LtL I dont see -15 listed in man kill
00:28<LtL>redder: i know i've never seen/used -15
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00:28<redder>well that definitely unmounted it
00:29<LtL>redder: you have two choices, kill it or unplug it after a sync
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00:29<LtL>redder: yay. why that happened i don't know.
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00:34<redder>LtL i think there is something wrong with my installation, cuz my comp's HD appears as an unmountable drive on the dekstop
00:35<redder>what is /deb/dm-0?
00:35<redder>correction /dev/dm-0
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00:37<LtL>redder: device mapper
00:38<LtL>redder: and i don't think you can umount a single HDD install
00:39<redder>it says 'One or more block devices are holding /dev/dm-0'
00:39<redder>it has the HD listed as '320 GB Unrecognized' on the desktop
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00:41<LtL>redder: hrm, have you changed fstab per chance, or partitioned
00:42<LtL>redder: how many physical drives have you got
00:43<patwotrik>i know it's not the topic here, but is someone here good on makefiles?
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00:48<LtL>redder: if you use an encrypted LVM install, i won't be much help
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00:54<redder>LtL yeah i did an encrypted LVM
00:54<redder>physical drives i think i did 4
00:55<LtL>redder: have you messed with /etc/fstab ?
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00:55<redder>LtL not that i am aware of, what is fstab?
00:56<LtL>redder: its the file that mounts drives on boot
00:56<LtL>or rather contains the directives to do the same
00:56<redder>LtL i havent done anything with it
00:56<redder>if you couldnt tell, im still pretty green when it comes to Linux
00:57<LtL>redder: well, something is wrong, but i can give you solid advice on this
00:57<LtL>*cant rather, sorry
00:58<redder>ok, i think my biggest goal with regards to linux is just being able to diagnose problems
00:58<LtL>redder: you could reboot, but the system may not boot.
00:58<redder>half the time i have a problem and i dont even know how to go about fixing it
00:58<redder>LtL that problem has been there since the install, ive booted up and down many times since then
00:58<redder>it still boots up
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00:59<LtL>redder: have you read dmesg after booting, it may provide clues, and there are logs in /var/log/ also
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01:00<redder>ive never done either, ill have to look into it
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01:00<LtL>redder: browse through /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages among others
01:01<LtL>and dmesg, its a program, and a log file
01:01<LtL>just type dmesg
01:01<redder>sounds good LtL, thanks much for all the help today, ill be sure to try dmesg tmr, gotta get to bed, its late
01:01<redder>but again, thx for the help
01:01<LtL>redder: okay, best of luck
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02:30<Argure>has there recently been a new version of apache2 in jessie?
02:31<Argure>aptitude is prompting me on all my servers to upgrade, but it seems like that's just because I use a custom built version from apt src
02:32<jm_>apt does that unless you change version number
02:32<Argure>yeah, I explicitly patched it as argure1 to indicate it differs from stock apt
02:32<pardus>hi.i want to setup php on live usb,
02:33<pardus>help me
02:33<Argure>I put it on apt-mark hold for now :)
02:34<pardus>hi.i want to setup php on live usb,
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02:35<jm_>you can use dpkg --compare-versions then
02:35<jm_>as for whether it changed or not, check its PTS page
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02:36<Argure>jm_: oh hey, great idea
02:36<Argure>subbed to that pts
02:36<Argure>thanks :)
02:37<lamdacore>Hi, I needed some help with getting my debian install to work. I used a liveCD for the instal but the installation failed at the bootloader. I finished the instal without the bootloader, so I could install it later manually. I am unable to do it - can someone point out how to do this? I have a 64bit system and a debian rescue live usb. Thanks
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02:38<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
02:38<jm_>lamdacore: ^^^
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02:39<lamdacore>Ok, I'll try this again. Thanks.
02:39<jm_>make soure you use correct /dev/whatever in all cases
02:39<jm_>especially for the last one
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02:40<lamdacore>yup understood. I was trying this last night, but it wasn't working since after the chroot it seems there was no grub installed, so I kept getting command not found for any of the grub comamnds.
02:41<jm_>then install the package first
02:41<lamdacore>Is, grub not part of the base instal?
02:41<jm_>Priority: optional
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02:42<lamdacore>how does one do that with a live cd and chroot? Sorry, I am not familiar with the debian instal process.
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02:42<jm_>also, since you installed from liveCD it might behave differently - regular installer will install it
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02:42<jm_>did you configure any mirrors? are mirrors accessible from livecd?
02:43<lamdacore>no. I have wifi access only. So no internet, that is why I was using alive cd versus a netinstal
02:43<lamdacore>I waned to config wifi after instal
02:43<jm_>then you'll have to download packages manually and install them
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02:44<lamdacore>so, basicaly download the debian package and install it in the chroot?
02:44<jm_>yes, it will be several packages fror grub
02:45<lamdacore>hmm ok.
02:45<lamdacore>so I cant take the grub packages from the live cd?
02:46<jm_>i thought live cd has no packages on it
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02:47<lamdacore>yeah, it refuses to work with any of the gru commands, but I assumed it should have them somewhere, since it i smeant to instal grub - i mean it comes with an installer and all.
02:47<lamdacore>ok sorry let me clarify
02:47<lamdacore>the live cd has grub
02:47<lamdacore>but when I chroot, there is not grub in the chroot environment
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02:48<jm_>yeah they seem to be there in /pool dir so you could grab them from there
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02:50<lamdacore>pool directory? is this on the live disc
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02:51<jm_>yes, see
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02:56<lamdacore>ok, found the folders for grub2 and grub-instal
02:56<lamdacore>and also have the chroot setup
02:57<lamdacore>I assume I instal everything in grub2
02:57<jm_>no, grub-pc and things it depends on
02:58<jm_>that's assuming you don't need grub-efi
02:58<lamdacore>no efi.
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03:04<enzo_>ciao a tutti
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03:06<lamdacore>perfect. Have it functioning. Thanks a lot for your time - jm_
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03:10<jm_>lamdacore: no worries
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03:13<monoglets>I'm having login problems to imap, pop3, smtp connect...
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03:14<monoglets>and lot of some problems in mail.log
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03:15<monoglets>like that
03:15<monoglets>Oct 7 03:14:53 mantodea postfix/master[21814]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 22082 exit status 1
03:15<monoglets>Oct 7 03:14:53 mantodea postfix/master[21814]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
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03:21<Infiltrator>!tell monoglets -about errors
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04:23<rkm>how to congig sendmail.
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04:27<bibi>anybody know why my xubuntu 13.04 not see nvidia driver?! i try all sugestion on ubuntu website and i reinstall 6 times xubuntu,i have asus laptop,help me please
04:29<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
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04:46<seawater>sorry, playing with the rebinding in irssi...
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05:48<woda>jaki silnik wzmienic by zainstalowac program? "Twoj obecny silnik nie obsluguje instalowania plikow"
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05:50<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on pl is also <perl>.
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07:10<adri>Is it possible with 8 GB RAM and Intel processor amd64 version is more slow?
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07:13<nevyn>anything's possible.
07:14<neo1691>Hello guys, this is the second time that my system freezed when I was using libra office writer. Any help to debug why is it happening
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07:14<jm_>adri: slower than what?
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07:14<adri>than i386
07:15<neo1691>I am using wheezy 64 bit
07:15<nevyn>adri: for what workload?
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07:15<gonz>yes it depents on the software
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07:16<adri>several memory was of 100% and 50% of Svap
07:16<adri>Then I saw a mistake to mysql
07:16<babilen>It could also be faster due to being able to use more features of the platform ...
07:17<nevyn>adri: how did you determine that memory was 100% used?
07:20<adri>Seen by htop
07:20<adri>Seen by htop
07:20<dpkg>from memory, top is a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q'.
07:20<nevyn>adri: what's the second line of "free -h" say?
07:20<adri>then I checked my syslog and said that there was a problem with masyal
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07:21<adri>I do not know i386 system running faster
07:23<adri>hard drive is quiet and fasterto install packagеs
07:23<neo1691>Again system freezed. This is happening when I am scrolling down in libraoffice write
07:23<adri>many people say that the amd64 version is faster but...
07:24<nevyn>adri: it depends on the specifics of the workload,
07:24<adri>the problem maby is my hard drive is SATA3 byu my mainboard not support sata3
07:25<nevyn>adri: you need to be more systematic.
07:25<nevyn>adri: is the system currently running?
07:26<adri>now is i386
07:26<nevyn>so let me get this straight.
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07:27<nevyn>you think you have a performance problem so your goto is to change architecture?
07:27<nevyn>of the whole distribution?
07:27<adri>I was with i386 Debian 6.0.7 and everything worked perfectly but on Debian 7 things changed
07:28<adri>many people suggested amd64 as faster version
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07:29<nevyn>so it can be. in particular it deprecates a bunch of instructions...
07:29<jm_>in general that's true so nothing wrong making a general recommendation like that
07:29<nevyn>for some specific workloads it may not be.
07:29<nevyn>x32 should be tho
07:30<nevyn>but that's a way away from being 'production'
07:30<adri>recommend to amd64 i386 right?
07:31<adri>my processor is intel core 2 duo E6400 mainboard EP45UD3R socket 775
07:31<adri>8 GB ram DDR2 Kingston 800 Mhz
07:32<adri>and should work with amd64 better
07:32<nevyn>installed correctly for dual channel? but this is ot..
07:33<adri>I guess that is
07:34<adri>I had no problems until now, before the advent of Debian 7
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07:36<adri>while still install amd64 version hard drive is also noisy, i386 install faster
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07:37<jm_>try to find out which partition is busy
07:37<adri>with fresh install ?
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07:38<neo1691>Guys somebody please help me, debian freezing constantly when I am using libreoffice writer
07:38<adri>I saw that Debian 7 uses AHCI driver ata_piix and in the bios is set to IDE mode
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07:39<adri>Could this be the reason?
07:41<nevyn>that will make your i/o suck
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07:42<adri>Okay, so let me ask you do you recommend me as a good amd64 version?
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07:44<nevyn>so i havn't run an i386 distribution for a number of years by choice
07:44<nevyn>I've installed i386 systems where 3rd parties don't support amd64
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07:48<adri>i386 is an advantage for Intel processors?
07:49<TobiX>adri: ata_piix is not an AHCI driver. ahci is the AHCI driver
07:50<TobiX>adri: I would use amd64 on any recent hardware, i386 is pretty much obsolete (IMHO)
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07:51<adri>yes you're right, sorry
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07:55<adri>And what do you propose to use mysql or mariadb
07:57<themill>mariadb isn't in debian
07:58<adri>this may be my fault because I used mariadb and the system crashed several times
07:59<adri>thank you very much to all
07:59<adri>have a nice day
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08:00<neo1691>Folks, I have nvidia geforce gt 630M 2 gb graphics card so on debian I installed the nvidia drivers from this link, but I skipped step 3 and installed bumblebee because my gpu had optimus support. Just tell me if I did it right?
08:00<neo1691>Because apparently, whenever I use libreoffice writer for more than two minutes, my system freezes, and guys at #gnome says that its a driver bug
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08:26<neo1691>Can anyone help me in applying a patch as mentioned in here
08:27<neo1691>Don't know how to apply a patch, its my first time there. But this patch seems to fix the freeze issue that I am facing!
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08:29<jm_>are you using wheezy?
08:30<neo1691>This seems to be the patch jm_ yes I am using wheezy
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08:30<jm_>neo1691: why not try the 3.10 kernel from backports instead?
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08:31<horux>I want compiz back on debian
08:31<themill>I want a pony.
08:32<neo1691>jm_: I will try anything for now, as I want to prepare my project report which is due tomorrow. But I want to keep things stable around debian!
08:32<ompaul>horux: you have a compiler and an itch.
08:33<jm_>neo1691: it will keep your current kernel so you should be fine installing 3.10 (assuming nvidia driver will build for it ...)
08:33<horux>have compiled more does not work
08:33<themill>horux: you might like to restart development and fix some bugs while you're at it
08:33<jm_>neo1691: alternatively, perhaps try without bumblebee so you end up using nvidia driver only
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08:34<neo1691>jm_: It seems that is not a problem of the nvidia driver. It seems to be a problem with the touchpad.
08:34<horux>did not understand the translation, I've tried the ubuntu repos installs more does not work, does not work now compiled already searched the repositories, not as I do this more?
08:35<jm_>neo1691: it says interaction of touchpad with i915 DRM so my assumptions is to test and see if it works with the nvidia driver - I never implied the issue is with the nvidia driver, in fact, I am telling you to test if the opposite is true
08:36<neo1691>jm_: I'll do that. Let me find out the way of stopping bumblebee
08:36<horux>did not understand the translation, I've tried the ubuntu repos installs more does not work, does not work now compiled already searched the repositories, not as I do this more?
08:36<ompaul>horux: Open Source how does it work? If it is not available do it yourself or pay someone to do it.
08:37<horux>ve done, does not work, I'll have to swap distro?
08:38<jm_>neo1691: i have to leave
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08:40<chealer>horux: I guess not, you said Debian was over for you yesterday, so I imagine you're now enjoying a problem-free distribution.
08:41<horux>have not given up
08:41<horux>I still hope
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08:41<abrotman>there still won't be compiz in Debian
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08:56<gsimmons>neo1691: The linux-image packages available from wheezy-proposed-updates (/msg dpkg proposed-updates) incorporate the i915 DRM fix described in bug #704987.
08:58<neo1691>gsimmons: What should be my install string?
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09:01<neo1691>apt-get install "what"??
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09:02<themill>neo1691: what architecture are you running?
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09:06<neo1691>themill: amd64
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09:06<themill>neo1691: apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64
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09:08<neo1691>but themill , I was said that I would be installing the package from the proposed updates repository?
09:08<neo1691>and you have backports repository in that command? any difference between the two?
09:08<themill>oh? sorry... I missed that comment about getting it from s-p-u
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09:09<neo1691>so I should just use apt-get install linux-image-amd64
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09:10<babilen>neo1691: If you have wheezy-proposed-updates configured then yes. Mind showing us your sources.list and "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" output on ?
09:10<themill>neo1691: what's the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" there?
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09:11<themill>babilen: I don't believe the metapackages are in s-pu
09:11<babilen>fair enough our information combined should suffice :)
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09:11<neo1691> themill its apt-cache policy output
09:12<neo1691>and my sources.list
09:12<themill>neo1691: you can apt-get install package=version to grab a specific package version from the list, or you can use the name (wheezy-proposed-updates)
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09:13<neo1691>themill then it will install all the other stuffs too, I just want the linux inages
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09:14<neo1691>I gave you
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09:14<themill>neo1691: that doesn't show me apt installing "all the other stuff"
09:15<neo1691>oh okay wait
09:16<neo1691>should I give you the output of this? apt-cache policy wheezy-proposed-updates
09:16<themill>you can show me whatever you've got on the screen in front of yo
09:16<neo1691>N: Unable to locate package wheezy-proposed-updates
09:17<themill>that's not really apt installing "all the other stuff" that's just an incorrect command
09:18<neo1691>themill: Okay I will use this command apt-get install linux-image-amd64
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09:18<themill>neo1691: no. you need to install the linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 package from wheezy-proposed-updates
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09:20<neo1691>Yeah just saw it gave me that its already installed to the latest version, will try linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 now
09:21<neo1691>themill: thats the latest right? which incorporate the i915 DRM fix described in bug #704987 as mentioned by gsimmons
09:22<themill>apparently that bug is fixed in that package, yes
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09:23<neo1691>themill: thanks a lot, if I make my project report by tonight, and it gets approved tomorrow, I'll give you a high five :)
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09:30<krayziebone>anung meron d2
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09:40<abrotman>was that klingon?
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09:57<gonz>abrotam: lol klingon is a language from star wars
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09:58<daemonkeeper>That wasn't the question.
09:59<abrotman>and it's not from star wars
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10:05<daemonkeeper>Yes. Everyone knows, it's Battlestar Galactica.
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10:05<marcelo_casado>bom dia
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10:09<dpkg>hello, d3c0
10:10<d3c0>I need install i386 package in my wheezy :)
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10:14<d3c0>Multiarch does work good?
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10:15<horux>I lose updating the repository with debian sid?
10:15<horux>what *
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10:15<horux>what i lose
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10:20<azyr>when i installed debian i was prompted to choose my keyboard language and they key combination used for changing the language. i chose ctrl+alt to choose between thai and english keyboard layout. now i would like to change that to some other keyboard combination (i'm accidentally pressing alt+shift all the time)... how do i do it?
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10:23<u7300>hi hi
10:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:28<musca>azyr: in gnome?
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10:47<zohan>can you help me ??
10:47<zohan>every one here
10:48<zohan>can you help me ???
10:48<petn-randall>tell zohan about ask
10:48<petn-randall>dpkg: tell zohan about ask
10:48<zohan>i want to install nvidia driver on ubuntu 12.04 lts
10:49<zohan>i try but i can't
10:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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10:51<zohan>every body here
10:51<zohan>can u help me please :(
10:51<Jflesch>zohan: as dpkg said, no.
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10:52<petn-randall>zohan: You're in the wrong channel. This is #debian. You're looking for #ubuntu.
10:52<Jflesch>I'm not even sure if the process to install nvidia drivers is the same between debian and ubuntu
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10:53<zohan>ouh im sorry guys
10:53<zohan>im sorry
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11:00<pakaran>How do you make aptitude list what would be installed or uninstalled, or at least prompt before actually doing it? I've noticed before that it sometimes asks, and sometimes doesn't, but can't figure out even what basis that's done on?
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11:02<KapitaenM>I only end up using apt-get myself, but it's quite descriptive on the dependencies :X
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11:05<diederik>pakaran: you can use '-s' parameter (s=simulate)
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11:38<pakaran>diederik, thanks
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12:09<neo1691>I installed KDE desktop using the command apt-get install kde-full, it changed my desktop-manager to kde and the login screen was changed. I removed kde using the commands apt-get remove kde-full and apt-get autoremove, but still I see the login screen which was et by KDM . How do I completely unninstall KDM as it wasn't there in the first place
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12:10<retrospectacus>apt-get remove kdm?
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12:17<neo1691>retrospectacus: That worked, only thing I feel is remaining is the kde-plasma-workspace entry when I see the available sessions on the login screen
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12:18<angel>hi! I have a website, what kinds of attacks I can receive? help me
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12:21<semente>do someone have news about Debian CUT project or any official support for a rolling release?
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12:23<ompaul>nice idea, on a scale of one to unlikely, I'd put it closer to unlikely
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12:24<dpkg>[cut] a utility to remove sections from each line of files, part of <coreutils>, or "constantly usable testing", ask me about <debian cut>.
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12:25<pakaran>Ok, so honestly, am I the only one here that uses testing on my primary machine without problems?
12:25<pakaran>I know it's an allegedly bad idea, but.
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12:25<SamB>pakaran: I use it with few problems
12:26<SamB>I think it's actually considered reasonable, just not good for Debian beginners
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12:32<semente>Well, I can use Sid but I would have less worries when upgrading its packages... I prey before any boot. :-)
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12:34<semente>not upgrading packages regularly and using apt-listbugs are good practices, but sometimes not enough. when time is sensitive, fixing problems with your system is not so good
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12:37<retrospectacus>just to be devil's advocate, I run stable point zero and only ever run upgrade when there's a full new release. I can't afford any downtime
12:37<semente>might be the best choice
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12:38<retrospectacus>absolutely. I don't care about having newest versions of everything though
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12:40<semente>if had there someway to pin packages based on time it was published could might solve many problems with sid. so I could just update packages that are in sid for couple of days that I consider time enough to someone open a critical bug related to it
12:40<SamB>retrospectacus: what about security issues?
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12:41<retrospectacus>SamB: completely ignored, never had an issue
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12:46<retrospectacus>(this is of course a non-Internet-facing workstation and I consider myself a reasonably savvy user)
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12:55<chris>hi guys i'm trying to config my ati HD 7970 and could need some help
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12:59<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on
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13:00<chris>i would but i feel so lonly there
13:01<retrospectacus>then use the debian methods
13:01<retrospectacus>*one of the
13:01<chris>i installed th firmware but i dotn know how th change the settings
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13:03<chris>with the "system-settings" there wos no succsess
13:03<retrospectacus>there should be a "Catalyst" control panel in the menu if you installed fglrx dkms
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13:05<Glanzmann>Hello; I want to reinstall a compromised system remotely. I do _not_ have remote management. I was thinking about using this. But I want to use wheezy. Is there anything I should know before I start?
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13:07<chris>aktualy i tried it wo the way descipted on the debian website...
13:07<chris>unfortionally i dont know how to install
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13:08<chris>and dont say apt-get
13:08<retrospectacus>chris: well, the instructions are all there on the URL I gave you. If you have trouble, make a paste on and ask here
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13:09<chris>oh sorry didnt see your link
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13:10<retrospectacus>(and yes, of course you will need to use apt-get. that is the least of your worries)
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13:13<retrospectacus>Glanzmann: very cool. I have no idea if it will work. Maybe the preseed would need more info. Maybe the grub thing needs to be updated for grub2. Maybe the #debian-boot channel would know more.
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13:38<Enfield>Hi, can anyone assist me quickly with a resolution issue...?
13:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:39<Enfield>!ask I have a problem with my resolution?
13:40<mtn>oh that helps
13:40<retrospectacus>fill in the rest of the blanks too.
13:41<Enfield>It's set to 1920 x 1024 which is the max for my monitor, but it isn't fullscreen. I'm sure in the past, (can't remember what distro it was) that I was able to stretch the screen further to fit
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13:41<dcraig>that's a weird resolution
13:42<Enfield>sorry 1920 x 1080
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13:42<horux>my compiz
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13:42<dcraig>does stuff look a little blurry, or nice and crisp?
13:42<Enfield>I've just come from Gentoo, although I wasn't using Gnome3 and didn't have this issue, though I'm sure it's probably quite simple to work out
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13:43<Enfield>It doesn't look too bad to be honest
13:43<horux>and my compiz
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13:43<Enfield>I had some problems initially, in that I had to install some non-free firmware for my ati card
13:43<retrospectacus>horux: please type a complete sentence describing your problem before pressing Enter
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13:44<Enfield>or amd rather as they are now
13:45<dcraig>well... on my ATI card on windows, there is an "overscan" setting (or underscan?) that I have to adjust to 0% whenever I upgrade the drivers so that the image fills the screen...
13:45<Enfield>yeah, that's what i had to do in W7
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13:46<horux>I've tried in all repositories, already compiled, already migrated pro ubuntu went back disappointed pro debian, any tips?
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13:47<retrospectacus>horux: no; you haven't asked a question
13:47<Enfield>I think you're keyword, 'overscan' or actually 'underscan' has pointed me in the right direction, cheers buddy
13:48<horux>How do I install compiz on debian wheezy sir?
13:48<retrospectacus>horux: you cannot; compiz has been removed.
13:49<sney>you can install any number of desktop environments or window managers that incorporated compiz technology, though.
13:49<KapitaenM>I think Compton is the preferred option there
13:49<sney>compiz was a tech preview
13:49<KapitaenM>At least that's what's used in CrunchBang, for example
13:49<retrospectacus>,bug #719870
13:49<judd>Bug in (closed): «RM: ccsm compiz compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported compizconfig-backend-gconf compizconfig-backend-kconfig compizconfig-python -- ROM; dead upstream, unmaintained, RC-buggy»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-08-16; last modified: 2013-09-15.
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13:50<retrospectacus>horux: you could use <snapshot> to update apt to a point when compiz was in the repos and install it
13:50<Enfield>dcraig, I think the command I needed was gksudo amdcccle but I get an error, "GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed" :(
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13:51<dcraig>Enfield, no idea...
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13:51<horux>plus he is no longer in sid repositories
13:52<retrospectacus>horux: certainly not
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13:52<KapitaenM>Try "gksu" instead of "gksudo"
13:52<horux>was because of bug?
13:52<retrospectacus>horux: yes; did you read the URL?
13:52<horux>and who liked to wear?
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13:54<horux>read, did not give me bug
13:55<horux>slutty, in other distros run compiz bet it's not just me who've been complaining
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13:55<retrospectacus>horux: the judd robot gave the bug url
13:55<horux>what judd robot ?
13:56<Enfield>KapitaenM and dcraig - thanks, you are legends
13:56<horux>oh ye
13:56<KapitaenM>Oh, sure thing
13:56<KapitaenM>it's just if you use gksudo, you're still running as your own user
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13:57<Enfield>Was just following some page on a crunchbang forum
13:57<Enfield>but thanks
13:58<horux>I will complain to the linus torvalds
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13:58<Enfield>Ahhh, that's better
13:58<horux>he used compiz on debian
13:58<dcraig>Enfield, what are you going to do with all your extra screen real estate??
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13:58<retrospectacus>horux: have fun
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13:58<Enfield>Sorting out other problems now
13:59<retrospectacus>horux: honestly I am using compiz on wheezy right now; I don't recall how I got it, maybe from jessie in the past. If you really really want it, try the snapshots method I mentioned
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13:59<Enfield>Need to install firmware for my network card, then my audio needs fixing
13:59<chris>were is the xorg.conf located?
13:59<horux>which method is that?
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14:00<horux>this trolling me?
14:00<Enfield>May have to create it though
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14:02<horux>you still have compiz in their repositories?
14:02<horux>@retrospectacus you still have compiz in their repositories?
14:03<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell horux about snapshot
14:03<SamB>horux: has almost EVERYTHING that was in Debian
14:03<retrospectacus>horux: no but I did get it from there at some point
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14:04<SamB>the exceptions being early days, before they started keeping them all, and packages that were later determined to be non-distributable (that is, illegal to distribute)
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14:05<SamB>horux: it also has records of WHEN things were in Debian, sufficient to allow it to provide a repository from a given date
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14:06<horux>could have the sanctity of me spending deb htt .... from where is compiz pro wheezy? I will make a topic in
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14:06<sney>read the message the bot sent you.
14:06<retrospectacus>horux: compiz was never in wheezy upon release or later. I got it from Jessie
14:07<Enfield>Don't think Debs likes my graphics card
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14:07<Enfield>YouTube won't play anything better than 240p
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14:08<SamB>Enfield: that could be a CDN issue or something
14:08<sney>Enfield: what card is it?
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14:08<Enfield>It's a HD7950
14:08<Enfield>tahiti or something
14:08<SamB>in fact, I doubt youtube actually knows much about your card
14:09<retrospectacus>what flash player are you using?
14:09<sandeepparitala1>How to do a multiboot with debian and windows, if debian was already installed in the machine
14:09<SamB>well I suppose it might be able to find some things from webGL if you have support for that, but why would it CARE?
14:09<Enfield>Default? Only just installed wheezy...
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14:10<Enfield>That page has helped me in the past
14:11<sney>sandeepparitala1: just install windows in some free space, then use a livecd to get access to your debian install and run update-grub
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14:11<horux>apt-get update
14:11<horux>apt-get install compiz&*
14:11<SamB>sney: maybe give some more detail of that last part
14:11<horux>apt-get install compiz*
14:11<sney>Enfield: the free 'radeon' driver supports your gpu but fglrx-driver may work better.
14:12<SamB>if compiz is in jessie, maybe it's better to just upgrade to jessie?
14:12<Enfield>hey, I've got fglrx installed already
14:12<sney>SamB: it's in the <fixmbr> dpkg factoid
14:12<Enfield>I tried the radeon one first, but was having problems
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14:12<sney>ah, your liberal use of enter caused me to miss that
14:12<horux>jessi is stable ?
14:13<sney>horux: ignore that suggestion from SamB
14:13<sney>SamB: compiz has been removed entirely as it was abandoned upstream
14:13<sney>it is only in snapshots, plus squeeze and older
14:13<SamB>hmm, must have mixed two conversations in my head then
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14:14<horux>the snapshot is possible to install compiz or not?
14:14<Enfield>What's CDN?
14:14<horux>at my own risk
14:14<sney>horux: try it and see
14:15<horux>but how do I?
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14:17<horux>E: Linha mal formada 1 no arquivo de fontes /etc/apt/sources.list (distribuição)
14:17<horux>E: A lista de fontes não pode ser lida.
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14:18<sandeepparitala1>How to do a multiboot with debian and windows, if debian was already installed in the machine
14:19<sney>sandeepparitala1: I answered you. do you have a specific question?
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14:19<sandeepparitala1>ok i tried grub-install
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14:20<gonz>Sandeepparitala1: when you install grub you have to remove the old bootloader
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14:22<horux>and my compiz ?
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14:22<horux>1 second
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14:27<douglasbrito>and my compiz ?
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14:31<sney>do you have a question
14:31<douglasbrito>how to install compiz on debian wheezy ?
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14:32<douglasbrito>already compiled already searched all repositories and nothing until I installed ubuntu, did not work over the 0.9.9
14:32<sney>douglasbrito aka horux: this is the same channel.
14:33<sney>what did you put in your sources.list?
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14:33<douglasbrito>sid repositories, unstable, experimental
14:34<sney>what did you put in from snapshots I mean?
14:34<sney>I give up.
14:34<douglasbrito>that link I sent you, only it gave error on apt-get update
14:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:35<douglasbrito>that link I sent you, only it gave error on apt-get update
14:35<douglasbrito>staff in Brazil are having the same problem
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14:35<sney>what was the full line from snapshots that you put in your sources.list
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14:35<sney>the whole thing
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14:36<sney>that's all? nothing on the end?
14:36<sney>I thought you knew how to add sources.
14:36<sney>you need to put 'wheezy main' at the end.
14:36<douglasbrito>have to put it in the end?
14:36<sney>look at everything else in sources.list
14:36<sney>do you even read
14:37<douglasbrito>deb 'wheezy main'
14:37<sney>without the quotes, please
14:37<sney>retrospectacus: save me
14:37<douglasbrito>deb 'wheezy main'
14:37<douglasbrito><douglasbrito> ?
14:38<retrospectacus>douglasbrito: read
14:38<retrospectacus>douglasbrito: the other lines in that file
14:38<retrospectacus>douglasbrito: think
14:38<retrospectacus>douglasbrito: what should your new line look like?
14:38<douglasbrito>I do not know, in general, I put the link and deb repository and works
14:39<retrospectacus>if you can't figure this one out, we can't help you
14:39<douglasbrito>could you post the deb I have to paste in the source for me?
14:39<douglasbrito>deb wheezy main
14:40<sney>there you go.
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14:40<sney>see how it looks similar to your other lines?
14:40<douglasbrito>removed because it is all to not take the update
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14:41<sney>... you removed everything else in sources.list?
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14:42<douglasbrito>says that the link is expired
14:43<retrospectacus>douglasbrito: the website talks about that.
14:43<douglasbrito>what do I do then?
14:44<retrospectacus>read the webpage
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14:48<nmeum>how can I enable the ipv6 privacy extension on my debian computer?
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14:54<douglasbrito>ok ..
14:54<douglasbrito>searching compiz
14:54<douglasbrito>in database
14:54<retrospectacus>douglasbrito: don't do that
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14:56<retrospectacus>you'll get kicked for flooding the channel
14:56<retrospectacus>and we don't need a play-by-play; just ask detailed questions if you have them.
14:57<douglasbrito>then did the update using the parameters required, and no success in finding the compiz repositories, any other tips?
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14:57<retrospectacus>yeah. use Jessie instead of squeeze, like I told you.
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14:59<douglasbrito>I did not understand, use jessie?
14:59<retrospectacus>11:06 < retrospectacus> horux: compiz was never in wheezy upon release or later. I got it from Jessie
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15:00<douglasbrito>is it still in the repositories jessie?
15:01<douglasbrito>was then already?
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15:02<retrospectacus>not parseable: was then already?
15:02<douglasbrito>so I will not be able to use compiz more /
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15:03<sney>I don't think you will. it requires too much thinking to make it work.
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15:04<douglasbrito>this calling me stupid?
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15:04<sney>you have demonstrated it very well
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15:04<retrospectacus>compiz is no longer in debian. You *may* be able to get it from a jessie snapshot but it will eventually cause dependency problems and have to be removed
15:04<douglasbrito>I am the nephew of linus torvalds
15:05<retrospectacus>douglasbrito: you should tell him to fix all the bugs in Compiz and re-upload it to Debian
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15:06<douglasbrito>this fixed now, can put in the repositories
15:06<LtL>douglasbrito: linus has a nephew in Brazil!?!
15:07<wave>I think linus does not have any real brothers
15:07<wave>just halflings
15:07<mtn>wave: hobbits?
15:08<douglasbrito>has actually am son, plus he does not like me, because I use gnome, you know how are the Brazilian right
15:08<wave>I mean half-brothers
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15:09<douglasbrito>girls *
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15:10<douglasbrito>where is the snapshot jessie?
15:10<retrospectacus>douglasbrito: same place
15:10<douglasbrito>only shows the dates, not distro
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15:12<retrospectacus>douglasbrito: I got compiz from jessie on January 17
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15:19<douglasbrito>2013 ?
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15:24<douglasbrito>did not work, another hint?
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15:24<retrospectacus>!doesn't work
15:24<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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15:25<douglasbrito>compiz is not in the repositories
15:25<douglasbrito>jessie, 2013 january
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15:27<retrospectacus>maybe I got it from wheezy; that was testing at the time
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15:27<retrospectacus>or squeeze-backports
15:27<retrospectacus>hard to remember and the log doesn't say
15:27<retrospectacus>0.8.4-2 anyway
15:28<douglasbrito>is the squeeze backports ?
15:28<chris>someone familiar whith ati garfic cards?
15:28<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:29<retrospectacus>not parseable: is the squeeze backports ?
15:29<douglasbrito>I'm trying now with the old list that was saved
15:29<douglasbrito>has a link to the squeeze backports
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15:30<douglasbrito>if I can install compiz give you a gift
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15:31<retrospectacus>can I have an autographed photo of your uncle vacationing in Brazil
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15:32<douglasbrito>he just came here to eat my mother
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15:34<douglasbrito>my mother
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15:35<horux>im douglasbrito
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15:35<sney>what an amazing trick.
15:35<horux>like my mother ?
15:36<gagarin>hello, i've just installed debian net install and im curious which network mannager is installed by default?
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15:36<sney>gagarin: if you installed the desktop environment task, you got network-manager
15:37<sney>horux: linus torvalds is your uncle, your parents are george washington and Baphomet, but everything would be fine if you could only have that spinning cube
15:37<gagarin>i didnt, i've installed awesome instead
15:37<gagarin>but im somehow connected to the internet lol
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15:37<sney>gagarin: oh, then that's just /etc/network/interfaces keeping its configuration from the installer
15:38<gagarin>sney: ohh ok, can i now install network-manneger and use it ?
15:38<gagarin>sney: do i have to change anything in /etc/network/interfaces?
15:38<sney>if you want. I didn't know n-m could integrate with awesome.
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15:38<sney>yes, n-m ignores anything in /etc/network/interfaces
15:39<gagarin>ok thanks :3
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15:39<horux>huehuehue br
15:39<horux>and my compiz ?
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15:40<gagarin>sney: is it norman that after installing network manager there is no nm-applet?
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15:40<mtn>horux: how about using a distro that has compiz (or better yet, forget all about compiz)?
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15:41<horux>because linux has to be better than mac and windows
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15:41<horux>and nobody eats an ugly
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15:42<mtn>horux: that makes no sense. do you have a debian support question?
15:42<sney>compiz is just a technology preview for using opengl on desktop. now that many window managers have adopted these features, there is no longer any reason for compiz. unless you love cubes anyway
15:42<horux>want an alternative to using compiz
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15:43<chris>someone familiar whith ati garfic cards?
15:43<sney>gagarin: you may need to specify which applet to install, and either way you'll need to add it to some panel
15:43<horux>I use gnome classic
15:43<sney>chris: ask your real question
15:43<chris>i have problems configer it for doal-sreens
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15:43<horux>gnome shell is ridiculous
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15:43<nmeum>how can I enable the ipv6 privacy extension on my debian computer?
15:44<mtn>horux: if you don't have a debian support question, you should go to a chat room that is for just chatting/whining
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15:45<horux>hitherto were helping me
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15:45<gagarin>sney: and after isntalling, it will automatically use n-m right? there is no need to change something?
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15:46<sney>gagarin: just remove the interface from /etc/network/interfaces so n-m can control it. sometimes you need to reboot
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15:51<sney>nmeum: seems to be sysctl
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16:03<pbrideau>What is the debian policy for reopening a bug? Do I contact directly the maintainer or should I register to the bugtracking system?
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16:03<SynrG>how old is the bug? was a fix delivered?
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16:04<SynrG>some bugs with similar symptoms are actually different bugs. with what degree of certainty is this the same bug?
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16:04<SynrG>i apply the rule of thumb, "when in doubt, open a new bug:"
16:04<pbrideau>the fix was delivered in Jessie, but it affects me in Wheezy....
16:05<pbrideau>sorry wrong url...
16:05<SynrG>hmmm ... "That's already fixed in the version which is available in jessie and sid
16:05<SynrG>and I'm not convinced that it's important enough for a stable upload."
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16:06<SynrG>that would argue against reopening this bug
16:07<pbrideau>yeah... For me, i want to have the full FQDN in my logs.... Should I simply compile it on my side?
16:08<SynrG>or request an updated backport?
16:09<SynrG>i mean, there is a backport. i didn't check to see if it's fixed in the one in the current backport ...
16:09<SynrG>fixed 721243 7.4.3-1
16:09<SynrG>i guess not
16:09<SynrG>,v rsyslog
16:09<judd>Package: rsyslog on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.4-2; squeeze-backports: 5.8.11-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 5.8.11-3; jessie: 7.4.4-1; sid: 7.4.4-1
16:09<SynrG>oh, duh
16:10<SynrG>it's not even i wheezy-backports, sorry
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16:10<pbrideau>it's not in wheezy-backport i think
16:10<pbrideau>i checked first before posting
16:10<pbrideau>what is the way to ask for backports?
16:10<SynrG>but that's the logical next step, since it's fixed in jessie and wanted by users, but not considered important enough to make a stable upload.
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16:10<SynrG>see pretty sure they say how
16:11<pbrideau>good, thanks :)
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16:15<ronan>Alguém pode me ajudar a fazer minha primeira instalação
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16:16<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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16:21<horux>eu ajudo
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16:22<m>Hi is anyone out there in Debian Land to help me out! I'm well stuck! Thanks
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16:22<horux>and my compiz ?
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16:25<ardex>I'm still trying to get a usb connection to jpilot for a Pilot PDA. Anyone know about udevadm and how to?
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16:26<m>I am putting it out there for anyone that can help me with my Nvidia stuff.....I've installed some drivers and now I got a blank screen. My Ubuntu won't boot on the other partition! I"m in terminal hell!
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16:28<ardex>m: if'n it was mine, I'd reinstall an OS from scratch via a CD or thumb drive.
16:29<m>Thanks ardex. Can I re-install over the top like you can with OS X?
16:29<ardex>btw my OS: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
16:30<ardex>m: my machine repartitions in a reinstall from a fresh OS
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16:31<m>oh ok thanks......I find it strange Nvidia is so hard to install yet on Ubuntu it's so easy......
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16:31<ardex>m: different stuff for different stuff
16:31<m>Is there no tool that just detects your card and installs it? Life is too shot! :)
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16:32<ardex>m: Windows does, but Linux requires some tweaking
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16:33<ardex>m: Search the web for the specific details...
16:33<m>I've been on the forums and trying things but I'm out of steam....
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16:33<diederik>m: how about 'aptitude install nvidia-glx' ?
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16:34<m>I think from memory I did this but I will try thanks diederik
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16:35<diederik>make sure you have kernel headers installed: linux-headers-(uname -r)
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16:35<m>I think it's the old xorg.conf problem - I don't have one....I am struggling even with using Nano's basic stuff I know but it's taking so much time.
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16:35<ardex>m: I run a Nvidia Gforce PCI Express on this and it uses the nouveau driver.
16:36<m>I followed the instructions from the Debian Nvidia website entry....anyway thanks for your help everyone.....I've got an onboard Nettop Emachines with a Gforce 9200
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16:36<ardex>try the nouveau driver
16:36<m>Ok ardex thank you.
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16:36<ixi>m which hardware?
16:37<ardex>his video card
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16:37<ixi>yes but model?
16:37<ardex>gForce 9200 he stated
16:37<m>I have an Emachines nettop ER1400 with an onboard Gforce 9200
16:37<horux>and my compiz ?
16:38<m>It was all working fine until I tried to get my bloody onboard Nvidia card going! :)
16:38<m>Oh well!
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16:38<ixi>m what have you already tried ?
16:38<ixi>what were the results ?
16:38<m>Well I installed the drivers copying and pasting from the Debian website, then rebooted and I get a flashing cursor and blank screen
16:38<ixi>can you give us a link
16:39<ixi>to page from which you copied and pasted?
16:39<m>Sorry it was on my debian machine which is now broken so I can't copy and paste the link - it was the main Debian Nvidia Reference
16:39<m>Ah wait I remember i emailed it to me sec
16:39<ardex>its a deb install
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16:40<m>I think I copied and ran this
16:40<horux>and my compiz ?
16:40<m> 1. # aptitude update
16:40<m> 2. # aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms
This will also install the recommended package. DKMS will build the nvidia module for your system.
16:40<m> 3. Update the initial ramdisk to include the nouveau blacklist ( 
# update-initramfs -u
16:40<m>But whatever I've done I've buggered it!
16:41<diederik>that's the wrong driver for your card
16:41<m>Oh doh!
16:41<m>No wonder it's not working. What a wally!
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16:41<diederik>1. aptitude install linux-headers-(uname -r)
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16:41<ixi>to install binary drivers you only need one package
16:41<diederik>2. aptitude install nvidia-glx
16:42<ixi>and then you need a few lines in xorg.conf
16:42<diederik>which will be installed as a dependency of nvidia-glx
16:42<m>thanks everyone. Do I have to create my own xorg.conf?
16:42<diederik>3. create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf with the following contents:
16:42<m>It seems like a real sticking point for most newbies ( xorg.conf)
16:43<diederik>4. reboot
16:43<m>Wow so helpful thank you so much.
16:43<m>I will let you know how i got on. Thanks again!
16:44<ardex>any help for udevadm to link a usb PDA?
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16:45<E431-Noob>would someone provide me with a link to a wheezy firmware kde netinstall cd please?
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16:46<ixi>E431-Noob just grab the
16:47<ixi>and select kde as preferred desktop
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16:47<ixi>go to advanced menu -> alternative desktop environments
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16:48<ixi>you will find KDE there... and when in last step of installation you choose to have a graphical desktop, it will install KDE
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16:51<ChibaPet>Would someone please point me to reasonable docs that might help me configure X for dual heads, preferably with the radeon driver but with fglrx if needed? I'm having difficulty getting one of the heads to show correct resolutions when I check with xrandr.
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16:53<horux>and my compiz ?
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16:54<ardex>I need to configure a connect to a Palm 4.1.2 usb so it Syncs with jpilot
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16:57<ardex>busy busy. bbl
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16:57<m>Thanks ixi but with respect I want to try to sort out my Debian system as it is, not install a new one....I appreciate you are just trying to help though
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16:58<m>dierderik: As it happens I had already installed those things in your post
16:58<m>I have saved my xorg.conf file but when it boots up it's still going into terminal mode not booting into the graphical desktop
16:58<m>Sorry I know these things are highly frustrating and time consuming to try and help someone with!
16:59<m>If necessary I will just wipe it and re-install...
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16:59<retrospectacus>m: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
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16:59<m>Ok retro cheers
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17:05<ChibaPet>Hm, I might have a cabling issue. I'll chase that down.
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17:13<m>Hi I looked at my log files for 20-nvidia.conf (in Xorg) and it says Parse error - 'Identifier' is not a valid keyword in this section
17:14<m>I've got Identifier in double quotes
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17:14<retrospectacus>m: yes; that is incorrect
17:14<m>It's obviously something really stupid I'm doing! I have typed out the example xorg.conf but it don't seem to be running it
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17:15<m>I've got it starting "Section" and ending "EndSection" - it looks ok....arrgh!
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17:15<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell m about nvidia dkms
17:16<m>I've installed nvidia dkms ( so I think!)
17:16<retrospectacus>the instructions the robot sent you have the correct command to create the nvidia snippet for xorg
17:16<retrospectacus>Identifier should not be in quotes.
17:17<retrospectacus>the word after Identifier should be.
17:17<m>Sorry please excuse me....
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17:18<m>Identifier isn't in double quotes...sorry I'm batting back and forth with it and this computer....sorry everyone.
17:18<m>The words after the first words are all in double quotes ( like
17:19<m>Section, Identifier, Device - all the words after that are in double quotes.
17:19<retrospectacus>m: can you show us all your xorg.conf files contents on please
17:19<m>I am in Xorg hell! lol
17:19<retrospectacus>it's a popular place
17:19<horux>and my compiz ?
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17:20<retrospectacus>horux: gone forever.
17:20<m>Ok's difficult for me as I can't get on the internet with this pasting things in terminal to the web is a bit difficult !
17:20<m>Sorry I don't wish to waste everyone's time....
17:20<horux>and a workaround?
17:20<retrospectacus>horux: do nothing.
17:20<retrospectacus>be happy
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17:21<m>Ok tell you what I'll have a break and come back to it....perhaps I can fiddle with it and solve it.....I do appreciate your time everyone...thanks
17:21<horux>without compiz not of
17:21<retrospectacus>m, I can show you a simple xorg snippet to use nvidia on your device.
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17:23<retrospectacus>horux: not parseable: without compiz not of
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17:24<m>thanks retrospectacus i would appreciate it
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17:27<retrospectacus>m: (you can put whatever you want instead of geforce 6200)
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17:38<horux>debian compiz is no coffee without sweetener
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17:39<dpkg>Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also or #compiz on
17:39<Ysgrammor>ectospasm: +1
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17:42<retrospectacus>hi, malinus
17:42<malinus>e: Because my vps is so small, I need to compile some things in a VM running the same kernal(?)/distro as my VPS. So the distro I'm running on the vps is Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy) on "linux version 2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-48squeeze3)". I located the package (?!) at ... What am I supposed to do from here?
17:42<Iggy__>hey all: I need to serve a small number of static files via http, and am looking for a small, easy-to-configure, secure web server. I am particularly interested in easy-to-configure, as I have never run a web server before, and don't want to inadvertently add security holes by screwing up a complicated config. Suggestions?
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17:43<malinus>I mean, I guess I'll install one of the 15 debian isntallations from here:
17:43<malinus>but which one etc.
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17:45<Iggy__>I'm currently reading about thttpd, which looks great but is unmaintained, lighttpd, nginx and hiawatha. Advice very much appreciated. TIA.
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17:46<sney>Iggy__: lighttpd is well-documented. but so is apache, and apache doesn't use much ram or anything when it's only hosting a small static site. either would work
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17:49<Iggy__>more concerend with ease-of-setup and security-by-design than limited server footprint, actually
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17:49<Iggy__>sorry if I mis-spoke
17:49<retrospectacus>Iggy__: what manner of security are you interested in?
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17:50<retrospectacus>as long as you don't actively enable remote users to put files onto your machine, they are all secure.
17:51<sney>my recommendation stays the same
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17:51<retrospectacus>apache2 is extremely popular, easy and well-documented. Simply install it and put your files in /var/www/
17:51<retrospectacus>or enable mod_userdir and put your files in ~/public_html/
17:51<Iggy__>retrospectacus: just worried about running software I don't really undersatand, given that I'm a noob admin stuck running a server for an organization that I want to do right by, so... KISS
17:51<Iggy__>sney: thank you for your time!
17:52<Felicitus>Iggy__: you can easily use mod_itk to run each foreign software package under a dedicated user, which I do for my hosting
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17:53<sney>Iggy__: Linode has a lot of comprehensive howtos for setting up and securing apache.
17:54<Iggy__>retrospectacus: run apache in chroot vs. serving files from /var/www --> sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm at the edge of my understanding here and don't want to make a stupid mistake
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17:54<Iggy__>sney: going to look there now - thanks for the tip!
17:55<retrospectacus>Iggy__: using chroot is more complicated, that's all. You wanted "easy-to-configure"
17:55<Iggy__>Felicitus: looking up mod_itk now. Thanks!
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17:55<horux>and my compiz ?
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17:56<horux>can someone create a script to download the dependencies from another repository and compiz?
17:56<Iggy__>retrospectacus: liked thttpd because it was easy to chtroot w/ few-if-any files needing to be installed in the chroot
17:57<retrospectacus>horux: no
17:58<horux>ll give you a big present
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17:58<horux>put in your hand
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17:59<retrospectacus>you're going to come to Northern Canada from Brazil to bring me a present?
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18:00<horux>gift that no one can get you out
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18:03<mshuler>oh goodness, horux - go install the current KDE, then go to system settings -> desktop effects -> all effects -> {wobbly windows,desktop cube} and enable them, and STFU about compiz already..
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18:03<mshuler>^ that *is* compiz* ^
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18:04<horux>More is sure that will come with kde compiz, it already comes integrated?
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18:07<horux>kde its shit
18:07<mshuler>is that a question?
18:08<horux>is a statement
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18:09<horux>has no way to install the
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18:10<sney>horux: kwin has the compiz *features* but it is still kwin, it does not use the same crappy utilities that compiz had
18:11<mshuler>compiz is a dead project - if you wish to have all the bling that compiz initially introduced, you need to use a modern DE like KDE
18:11<sney>you might need to learn something new! is that too scary?
18:11<sney>horux: also, if you wait a while and say "and my compiz?" one more time, you will probably be banned from this channel.
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18:15<horux>what kwin ?
18:16<retrospectacus>the kde window manager
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18:19<mshuler>!tell horux -about install kde
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18:26<devil>I told him that yesterday
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19:33<keep>alguem me ajuda
19:33<retrospectacus>keep: English.
19:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:36<AgentC>does anybody knows about an irc channel for mobile phones ?
19:36<devil>any mobile phones?
19:36<malinus>I'll asked before but I don't think anyone noticed, so I'll try again:
19:36<devil>i doubt it
19:36<malinus>Because my vps is so small, I need to compile some things in a VM running the same kernal(?)/distro as my VPS. So the distro I'm running on the vps is Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy) on "linux version 2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-48squeeze3)". I located the package (?!) at ... What am I supposed to do from here?
19:37<AgentC>samsung s3650 network to slow. (G-mode, how to change!?)
19:37<malinus>Which debian distro do I install?
19:37<themill>malinus: what are you trying to compile?
19:38<malinus>themill, I would like to have this up and running, so optimizing the compilation, or doing other workaround is not desired. Well except if what I want to do is impossible, of course
19:39<themill>or you could not answer my question...
19:39<malinus>themill, sure I was intending to. The servers runs out of memory when compiling some python packages.
19:40<malinus>themill, but yeah. I would like to have a local VM, where I could just compile whatever I want to run on the VPS, and just transfer it and run. Is that hard to archieve or what?
19:40<retrospectacus>malinus: how exactly is it running wheezy on the 2.6.32 squeeze kernel?
19:41<retrospectacus>malinus: what are you trying to compile?
19:41<mshuler>that's what pbuilder/cowbuilder are for
19:41<retrospectacus>malinus: generally you don't need to compile things, just install them with apt-get
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19:41<SynrG>kernel and distro are not equivalent
19:42<themill>mshuler: that still doesn't actually answer my question of *what* you are trying to compile
19:42<themill>malinus: ^^
19:42<malinus>retrospectacus, I have no idea, it's shared VPS hosting. And the compiling happens when I try to install different python packages, which I would also like to omit, and therfor use something like bbfreeze, and be able to run the binaries.
19:43<malinus>themill, sorry. some python packages are being compiled under installation, causing it to run out of memory
19:43<SynrG>specific python package names, please
19:44<themill>malinus: sounds like you need to run less crap on the machine -- there's not really anything you can do to work around that (other than to try messing with ulimit before you install packages).
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19:44<retrospectacus>malinus: we still don't know *what* you are trying to install. Why don't you show us your "install" command and its output up to failure, on
19:44<malinus>themill, please explain to me why I simply can't use something like bbzfreeze on a VM that is equivalent of the VPS, and then simply just run the binaries?
19:45<themill>malinus: also, the combination of wheezy on a squeeze kernel is not really a great situation for you to be on in the long run. I think you need to talk to your hosting provider about moving away from vserver to something with a future.
19:46<mshuler>yeah, specific commands run, output, and errors posted to would be super helpful, malinus (and bbfreeze does not appear to be a debian package.. dunno)
19:46<themill>malinus: given that you won't us any real data to help us help you, we're left guessing... but it sounds like the production of pyc files from py files. There are hundreds of them involved so I can't imagine that you're going to copy them around.
19:46<themill>also, if python can't compile py to pyc, I can't imagine that it's going to be happy running the program either
19:47<malinus>retrospectacus, I want it to run different programs I'm making, this specific program in question is in python. The python packages required are like 1GB, so that is out of question (1.5GB hdd). So what I'm trying to do, is to make a binary on a "mirror VM". Because the binaries I create on my local machine produced an error, that I'm afraid I forgot.
19:48<malinus>the binaries are made using bbfreeze, that makes binaries out of python.
19:48<themill>malinus: perhaps come back to us when you've got a specific question we can help you with
19:49<retrospectacus>get a new VPS
19:49<retrospectacus>how d'you expect to run python program if you don't have room to install python?
19:49<malinus>themill, I had a specific question, but you derailed it into, what the problem with the compilation was. Which I wasn't preprepared for at all. No offense, you are trying to help, but there has been an misunderstanding. So I want help with creating a VM that would be as close to my VPS as possible.
19:49<mshuler>malinus: here's my DO referral link - go spend $5 on a new debian VM
19:50<mshuler>malinus: you never gave any specific error for anyone to help you with - paste them to and ask you question again
19:51<malinus>mshuler, I don't get any errors. I'm trying to create a VM as close to my VPS as possible. I'm asking how to go around that.
19:51<malinus>retrospectacus, you can create binaries of python, so that is my plan instead.
19:51<themill>malinus: I "derailed" it because the answer depends on what it is you are trying to achieve. If you're wanting to compile kernel modules vs C programs then you'd get different answers. As it is, what you're talking about is something *entirely* different again and any answers we gave you would have been meaningless
19:51<themill>malinus: you cannot use debian python packages with any strange python precompiler thingy that you seem to want to use here
19:51<mshuler>you said you have a wheezy vm (even though it's running a squeeze kernel) and asked what you should install - install wheezy, I guess
19:51<themill>!xy problem
19:51<dpkg>People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See
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19:52<malinus>dpkg, yep, haha I know that way to well, when I'm on the other side of the question.
19:52<dpkg>malinus: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
19:52<retrospectacus>malinus: well, you can try: <install squeeze>, install the vserver kernel, create a VM, upgrade the VM to wheezy. It sounds like what you want, but it probably won't help.
19:53<mshuler>kernel version won't have anything to do with pure python, I don't think..
19:54<malinus>mshuler, yes but this has nothing to do with python. Those are binaries. Sorry I didn't make that clear enough
19:54<mshuler>nothing to do with...
19:55*mshuler drops the mic and walks offstage
19:55<malinus>okay well
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19:56<malinus>themill, I don't want to use debian python packages with strange python precomipler thingie. I want to be able to compile things on my VM, and make sure that it will run on my VPS, at least when it comes to libraries.
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19:57<themill>I have no idea what you're trying to do then. It seems to keep changing.
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19:58<retrospectacus>malinus: I gave you the Y to your XY question, see if it gives you X
19:58<malinus>so let me rephrase the question, after all your guys inputs: I would like to have a VM, on which I can compile code, and be sure it will run on my VPS. At least when it comes to libraries.
19:59<malinus>retrospectacus, hopefully it will. thank you
19:59<mshuler>so let's go back to the beginning - what version of Debian are you running, malinus ?
19:59<mshuler>uname -a ; cat /etc/debian_version
20:00<mshuler>(we could go into source.list and ask when the last time you actually updated, too)
20:00<malinus>Linux pinkman 2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 10 10:52:10 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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20:00<mshuler>so at least it's relatively recently updated (7.1)
20:01<mshuler>install amd64 arch wheezy on your new vm
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20:01<mshuler>things should be compatible, unless you are building kernel modules
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20:01<malinus>mshuler, thank you. I'll try that
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20:02<mshuler>+1 for pinkman hostname
20:03<SynrG>amd64 kernel doesn't require amd64 arch distro. i fail to see how this helps
20:03<mshuler>my guess is that 0.2% of people running x86_64 kernel are running a 32-bit userspace - I sincerely doubt that malinus is one of that small number
20:03<SynrG>and of RAM isreally tight in the vps ...
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20:04<mshuler>well, I'm no VPS user either, so I see what you mean SynrG
20:05<mshuler>if that kernel version comes from the host system, then you could be right
20:05<mshuler>malinus: uhh... what does dpkg -l bash give you for an arch?
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20:06<mshuler>or better yet, 'dpkg -l python' ;)
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20:06<malinus>it's amd64
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20:08<SynrG>dpkg --print-architecture btw
20:08<dpkg>SynrG: I give up, what is it?
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20:13<malinus>well I'll try with
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20:32<mshuler>SynrG: thanks - that helps :)
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20:39<omixam>Debian restart when I press shuttdown... How can I correct?
20:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 581] by debhelper
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20:42<mshuler>omixam: does it do the same when you 'shutdown -h now' in a shell?
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20:51<omixam>Yes... I tried too...
20:52<omixam>I got the same error...
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20:53<SynrG>what error?
20:54<omixam>restart instead of shuttdown...
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21:23<omixam>Somebody know how can I correct the error that when I press shutt down debian restart...?
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22:08<Celelibi>Do you know any way to make a driver loaded after another?
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22:08<Celelibi>apparently, I have a conflict when snd-hda-intel and radeon are loaded at the same time.
22:09<Celelibi>Well, conflict means a few error messages (and probably half stuff broken like HDMI sound) but that doesn't prevent me from playing sound.
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22:16<ross_>i think the hdmi sound in radeon is not stable yet
22:17<Nemoder>maybe you can just blacklist one on startup and manually load it later?
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22:21<deitrick>how do I make a sd card writeable?
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22:23<abrotman>there's are modprobe tricks to load one before the other
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22:25<deitrick>how do I change the sd card from read only, thanks
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22:28<Cristian>please somebosy helpme im testing postfix + mysql +dovecot 2.1, how can i fix this error: passdb doesn't support credential lookups
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22:29<Cristian>here is my doveconf settings
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22:39<Iggy__>please help: iggy@ftp:/$ sudo iptables -L
22:39<Iggy__>[sudo] password for iggy:
22:39<Iggy__>iptables v1.4.14: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root)
22:39<Iggy__>Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
22:40<Iggy__>What stoopid thing am I missing here? Googled a bunch and still stumped. Thanks for assist!
22:40<Cristian>is simple use: sudo su
22:40<Cristian>then try to use iptables
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22:43<Iggy__>Cristian: ah, so simple. thanks!
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22:46<Iggy__>sadly, root@ftp:/# sudo iptables -L yields the same error
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22:47<LtL> Iggy__ you don't use/need sudo if you're already root. I'm not saying thats your problem though.
22:47<Cristian>in debian the command is: #su root
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22:47<Cristian>in ubuntu is #sudo su
22:47<LtL>no, it's 'su -'
22:48<Cristian>is the same thing, he needs to scalate privileges
22:48<Iggy__>Ltl - too true, but executing iptables -L as root gives the same error - sorry for my confusing paste
22:49<Iggy__>su needs the root password that I don't have, but my user is in sudoers, so sudo su does appear to give me a root command prompt - is this not right?
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22:52<vortek>is there anyywere to get the network install images nesides the mian site? cuase the main siteis slow
22:52<Cristian>execute "sudo su"
22:53<Cristian>with the sudoers password
22:53<Cristian>the to check type "whoami", if root appears, all works fine!
22:53<Iggy__>Cristian: sudo su with my user's password results in a root prompt, root@ftp:/#
22:54<Iggy__>whoami shows root
22:54<Iggy__>but running "iptables -L" yields same response as before
22:54<Cristian>is all, you have now root permissions
22:54<Iggy__>root@ftp:/# iptables -L
22:54<Iggy__>iptables v1.4.14: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root)
22:54<Iggy__>Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
22:54<Iggy__>Odd, eh?
22:55<Cristian>"iptables -L" is using to load the existent rules
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22:55<Cristian>what do yout trying to do?
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22:56<Iggy__>trying to print existing ruleset
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22:58<Iggy__>Ignoring that error I jumped ahead to creating an ruleset, and running iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.firewall.rules
22:59<Iggy__>This also threw and error, so I thought I'd better go back and actually figure out why step one wasn't working. Which brought me here.
22:59<Iggy__>*threw an error
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22:59<vortek>i found em nevermind
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23:04<Cristian>sorry i don't know how to help you Iggy
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23:07<Cristian>please somebody helpme im testing: postfix +mysql + dovecot 2.x and always appears me passdb doesn't support credential lookups, here is my doveconf settings
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23:10<Iggy__>Cristian: thanks for talking to me about it!
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23:37<redder>whats a good html editor for debian? something along the lines of MS's notepad++...
23:38<SamB>notepad++ isn't from MS ...
23:39<redder>i mean something like notepad++ (which is made for MS OS)
23:39<dondelelcaro>redder: emacs or vi is probably what you're looking for, but there may be other things
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23:41<waynr>redder: gedit is a pretty simple editor to start with
23:42<waynr>graphical interface, syntax highlighting
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23:45<redder>so then vim? gedit?
23:45<dondelelcaro>redder: up to you
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23:47<LtL>redder: look at, apt-cache show bluefish .. you might like it
23:47<waynr>redder: vim or emacs have a higher learning curve but are more capable once you gain a modicrum of proficiency. gedit is probably closer to what you are used to
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23:51<redder>thx much, hey does ice weasel have an IRC channel as well?
23:53<jordanm>there is #debian-mozilla, but that's likely for devs
23:53<LtL>redder: not on OFTC or freenode, no.
23:53<redder>ok, thx
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