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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-09

---Logopened Wed Oct 09 00:00:54 2013
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00:02<themill>chealer: I have already done so with you several times. In fact, we had this exact same "anyone" discussion 18 months ago for almost identical reasons.
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00:02<SamB>themill: how did you keep track of how long ago it was?
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00:03<themill>SamB: considering most of my interactions with chealer tend to be of this form, a simple grep of the irc client's logs is enough to find them
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00:04<SamB>I guess you grepped for "chealer.*anyone" ?
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00:12<chealer>themill: right, so please keep letting me know right away (I do not really remember that discussion, but I guess I didn't change my mind since then, and might be one on which we'll keep disagreeing on for some time).
00:13<chealer>s/and might/and that question might/
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00:14<Sigma-Virus>Can I ask for help here?
00:15<SamB>FWIW, the point of !anyone is indeed for when people ask "anyone know about <VAGUE TOPIC>?" or "anyone around?", not when they actually mention a symptom in the same message ...
00:15<SamB>Sigma-Virus: yes
00:15<SamB>that is rather the point of this channel
00:15<chealer>themill: regarding vortek, the quality of his English has nothing to do with my response. I simply expect people coming to ask an actual question (unless what they expect from us is clear anyway).
00:16<Sigma-Virus>I have a problem , I was installing a software and Debian suddenly stop to work so I rebooted it, and now I can't install that software anymore
00:16<themill>chealer: no. Think about what you're saying here. Can you *really* tell me you couldn't work out what vortek wanted from what he said?
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00:16<Sigma-Virus>I have a problem , I was installing a software and Debian suddenly stop to work so I rebooted it, and now I can't install that software anymore
00:16<SamB>Sigma-Virus: what happens?
00:16<Sigma-Virus>ops sorry
00:16<SamB>I mean what message do you et?
00:16<SamB>er, get
00:17<Sigma-Virus>let me copy it
00:17<Sigma-Virus>Errors were encountered while processing:
00:17<Sigma-Virus> vlc-plugin-pulse
00:17<Sigma-Virus>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
00:17<themill>Sigma-Virus: please pastebin the entire message over at http://paste.debian.net/
00:17<SamB>hmm, that seems like you missed some ...
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00:19<chealer>themill: I can really tell you that. I was wondering if vortek would ask 1) How to check the Adobe Flash version. or 2) How to upgrade Adobe Flash.
00:19<chealer>and it turned out vortek didn't even use Adobe Flash
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00:20<themill>chealer: and you could have just asked that question then. Which, somehow, I managed to do without berating him.
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00:26<chealer>themill: I did request him to ask, that's why I used the anybody factoid. had I asked him if he meant 1 or 2, I would have made a false assumption.
00:26<themill>...
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00:29<dfell>wewt debian netbook boot up 13s, 24mb RAM, 34.4mb RAM, w/ OB, 48mb RAM w/ifup wlan0 & xchat
00:36<dfell>is anyone familiar with making a .tar of the /run/udev folder for faster udev boot times?
00:36<SamB>chealer: what you really should have asked him is what he did have installed for flash
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00:41<chealer>SamB: yes, that's pretty much where I was going
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00:51<fix>does anyone know the answer to the mystery of how to successfully change console resolution in wheezy?!!?
00:51<fix>Ive done everything the wiki said to do, FAIL, it did change the grub menu, but the dang console reverts right back to 640x480
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00:58<jm_>fix: which wiki? what's driving your console graphics?
00:58<dfell>GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
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00:58<fix>I dont have gnome installed
00:59<dfell>did you add that line after GRUB_GFXMODE=(whatever)?
00:59<fix>Yeah I added that
00:59<fix>1078x768 I also tried 1078x768x32
00:59<dfell>did you update-grub?
00:59<fix>failwhale
00:59<fix>yes
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01:00<fix>still 640xwhatever
01:00<dfell>do you have a video card seperate from mobo?
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01:00<fix>no its crappy sis integrated gpu, athlon 3200 board
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01:01<dfell>lspci what is VGA controller?
01:02<fix>SIS 661/741/760
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01:02<dfell>chipset?
01:03<dfell>cpu
01:03<fix>I hardly think that is relevant, but if you must know, scroll up
01:05<dfell>my apologies
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01:05<dfell>don't want you to feel like i'm wasting your time
01:05<dfell>good luck sir
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01:05<dfell>should u feel like being less of a douche
01:05<dfell>do you have xserver-xorg-video-sis installed?
01:06<jm_>that'll probably be handled by VESA driver, read vesafb.txt (I only ever got that to work with linux16 command with grub 1.9x)
01:06<fix>yes along with every other xorg driver that comes loaded with a debian install
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01:07<dfell>so you've got X set up
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01:07<Sid3>i want to unpack deb change its source and and again convert to .deb
01:07<Sid3>how to do it \
01:07<dfell>is xrandr installed?
01:07<Sid3>i have searched internet but i couldnot find anything usefull
01:08<jm_>!package rebuild
01:08<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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01:10<fix>useless twats
01:10<Sid3>plz explain in simple language
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01:11<dfell>it looks like you can set gfxpayload to the resolution you want
01:11<dfell>instead of using "KEEP" try actually inputing the resolution
01:11<dfell>make sure you update-grub
01:12<dfell>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41881
01:13<dfell>that may help
01:13<dfell>I tried anyways. Good luck
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01:13<dfell>looks like you need to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf directly
01:14<dfell>oops he left
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01:22<echo>hmm
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01:27<echo>!help
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01:53<Sid3>i want to unpack debian package change source and again create new debian package plz explain this in simple language
01:53<Sid3>i need help
01:54<weasel>dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
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01:55<jm_>dpkg explained the whole procedure earlier
01:55<dpkg>i don't know, jm_
01:55<Sid3>ya but i was not able to get
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01:55<Sid3>plz explain in ximple language plz
01:55<Sid3>simple language
01:57<jm_>i can't explain it simpler than that
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02:04<Sid3>ok just correct me i have found one thing
02:04<Sid3>i got source from apt-get source
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02:04<Sid3>and then i will change source
02:04<Sid3>and then make deb package out of it
02:05<Sid3>will it work on any system
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02:12<jm_>depends on your change
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02:26<bahamat>I have a debian package that I'm trying to build with a patch I've added
02:26<bahamat>I added the patch to debian/patches and debian/patches/series, but when I build the patch doesn't get applied
02:26<bahamat>What am I missing?
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02:34<vortek> does running the freevsd kernel include bsd's packet filter?
02:34<vortek>freevsd=freebsd
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02:46<jm_>vortek: $https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_setup_a_firewall_with_Debian_GNU.2FkFreeBSD.3F
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02:47<vortek>thaxss
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02:57<pabs>anyone know of a tool that checks for duplicate files but ignores lines matching a set of patterns?
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03:21<Infiltrator>pabs: Do you mean à la diff, but ignoring certain lines which match a pattern?
03:22<Infiltrator>pabs: If so, you're probably best off just hacking up a quick script to copy the files to a temporary directory, strip out the lines you wish, and then run diff.
03:22<pabs>no, diff only compares two/three, I have thousands
03:23<themill>something like fdupes but with the ability to not calculate expensive checksums on files you want to ignore
03:24<Infiltrator>Actually, that's a good point: rather than diff, generate hashes and compare those.
03:24<Infiltrator>shasum would do
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03:28<themill>pabs: given things like fdupes and duff check file size and first few bytes before calculating the entire hash, is it feasible to just use one of them and then filter it instead? Optionally, duff can accept the list of files to check on stdin, I think
03:30<pabs>right now I'm manually filtering with sed
03:31<pabs>it is basically a bunch of cron mail from a bunch of servers and I want to find the patterns
03:32<seeS>is "command" something we can expect to find everywhere? ie a pbuilder has it?
03:33<themill>seeS: it's a shell builtin for both bash and dash
03:34<seeS>kill apparently isnt, which is why i need command
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03:36<themill>seeS: kill is a bash builtin and is /bin/kill in procps
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03:36<seeS>depends on the arch, s390 and ia64 apparently not. actuall this is out of tcl so i think i needs the command
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03:37<themill>,file bin/kill --arch ia64 --release sid
03:37<themill>hmm... not really
03:37<judd>Search for bin/kill in sid/ia64: procps: bin/kill; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/kill
03:38<themill>(likewise for s390)
03:39<seeS>ok.. so why would the pbuilder fail to find it?
03:39<themill>link?
03:39<seeS>https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=procps&arch=s390x&ver=1%3A3.3.8-2&stamp=1370603323
03:39<seeS>ERROR: couldn't execute "kill": no such file or directory
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03:41<themill>seeS: is the test suite executing the just-compiled versions or the installed versions?
03:42<seeS>just-compilied of pgrep, pkill etc
03:42<themill>seeS: so if it can't find it, it must have failed to compile it
03:42<seeS>however kill is the shell/builtin on
03:42<themill>(or isn't looking in the right place)
03:42<seeS>so im using command -v and skipping the tests if its not found
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03:44<themill>seeS: we're looking at http://sources.debian.net/src/procps/1:3.3.8-2/testsuite/pgrep.test/pgrep.exp#L124 yes?
03:44<seeS>yes
03:44<seeS>the last 3 lines
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03:45<Depa>Hi :)
03:45<themill>does exec explicitly invoke $SHELL (like system() in other languages) or does it only run binaries directly?
03:45<seeS>so it makes a temporary process, runs tests on it and right at the end kills it
03:45<seeS>it runs direct
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03:46<themill>seeS: so if procps doesn't Build-Depends procps, there won't be a /bin/kill to run?
03:46<Depa>which is the maximum version of vanilla kernel that I can compile on my old Acer TravelMate 636LC (Debian Squeeze running)??
03:46<Depa>because I compiled 3.11.4 but I got a lot of problems
03:46<Depa>:(
03:46<seeS>hmm.. that's almost Zen in its self-dependency but i see what you mean
03:47<seeS>odd only those two have the problem but that might be it
03:48<themill>seeS: do I recall that procps changed priority recently?
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03:49<seeS>it will, hasnt happened yet. the trigger will be pidof moving which will be in the next release
03:49<themill>ok
03:49<seeS>unless you got a good memory, it was many years ago
03:49<themill>hehe
03:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 603] by debhelper
03:50<themill>I was just thinking that a change in priority could change whether procps was installed by default or not within the build chroot. Changes in debootstrap or even local admins throwing in "standard" tools into the chroots could lead to differences in what is installed within the chroot.
03:51<themill>It might just be that you're lucky enough to have /bin/kill on other archs because other things in the (build)-essential set have dragged it in
03:51<themill>Can you use your recently compiled kill instead of the system kill at the end of those tests?
03:52<seeS>not really, there is common code
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03:52<seeS>ie im depending on the code that is being tested is working
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03:52<seeS>however i can change it to a shell kill
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03:53<themill>seeS: but the pgrep test isn't relying on kill as part of the tests, just in clean-up -- that you're not going to get false-positives out of this. At most, a broken kill would make it look like pgrep was broken
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03:53<seeS>they all use the same common procps library
03:54<themill>yeah, but in terms of independence of tests, that doesn't matter here.
03:54<seeS>yeah that might do it too
03:54<seeS>i see, just a messy crash but at least youll know something is broken
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03:54<themill>yes, you'd not necessarily know which bit were broken as easily, but you shouldn't get a bad package sneaking through
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05:43<rham>I have a box which for developers who use gcc-4.3
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05:44<rham>(it's a Lenny box)
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05:44<rham>Lenny has gcc-4.4 available and I'd like to install it to do some testing with the newer compiler
05:45<rham>however, the default compiler must remain gcc-4.3
05:45<rham>and this applies to g++-4.x as well
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05:46<rham>how can I install {gcc,g++}-4.4 and be sure that nothing will make use of 4.4 versions by default?
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05:47<rham>I've searched the web and I get nothing definitive
05:47<rham>the Debian wiki doesn't seem to have much help either
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05:50<mongrol>doesn't it have an alternatives system?
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05:52<rham>mongrol: no, it doesn't
05:53<jm_>rham: gcc will stay the default version, you need to call gcc-4.4 to use that version
05:53<rham>jm_: what do you mean by "the default version"?
05:54<jm_>rham: what installing "gcc" installs
05:54<stdhell>Doesn't gcc have a "-V 4.4" option or something like that? I think it did once...
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05:55<rham>jm_: $ apt-cache policy gcc | egrep '(Installed|Candidate):' Installed: 4:4.3.2-2 Candidate: 4:4.4.5-1
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05:56<jm_>rham: that's meaningless without knowing more details (i.e. your sources.list etc.)
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05:56<jm_>4:4.4.5-1 is in squeeze, so my guess would be youre using "stable" in sources.list
05:57<rham>hmm
05:57<rham>yes, that would appear to be the case
05:57<rham>it's actually "squeeze"
05:57<rham>:-/.
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06:05<rham>that scuppers my plans :-/
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06:18<babilen>rham: Well, you are using the oldstable release and should start planning an upgrade to wheezy which is the current stable. Wheezy ships gcc 4.7 by default, but you can still install gcc-4.4 it's just that the default changed. This seems to be *exactly* the setup you want and I would therefore recommend the upgrade.
06:20<babilen>rham: You can find upgrade instructions in the release notes in Chapter 4 - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
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06:40<rham>babilen: erm, I'm using Lenny, not oldstable
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06:43<jm_>not according to apt-cache policy output
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06:45<rham>jm_: the apt-cache policy output shows that the Lenny version of gcc is installed
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06:46<babilen>rham: Well, then you have to upgrade to squeeze *now* and then to wheezy.
06:47<babilen>rham: The upgrade to squeeze is detailed in the squeeze release notes -- http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html -- depending on the configuration of your computer it might be easier/fasdter to simply install wheezy from scratch
06:47<jm_>rham: ahh you're right, sorry - I even looked in packages file earlier to confirm
06:47<jm_>it's squeeze version that's candidate
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06:48<rham>babilen: I disagree
06:49<babilen>About what?
06:49<rham>10:46 < babilen> rham: Well, then you have to upgrade to squeeze *now*
06:49<weasel>just in general
06:50<babilen>rham: Lenny isn't supported by us and it is *about time* to upgrade it. You had years to plan and perform that upgrade and we completely dropped support for it by now. There is *no excuse* not to upgrade.
06:50<ompaul>rham: you could of course grab your data in a backup and do a clean install
06:50<rham>babilen: yes but I don't *have* to
06:50<ompaul>rham: you should, and being that pedantic will win friends
06:51<rham>oh dear
06:51<babilen>rham: Well, we are surely not sending the Debian hitman to get you if you don't, but it is irresponsible to run it these days.
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06:51<rham>ompaul: friends are, after all, why I'm on IRC :-)
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06:59*rham regrets saying that
06:59<rham>babilen: I don't need upgrade advice, thank you
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07:00<babilen>rham: Fair enough, feel free to ignore it and run an outdated and insecure system.
07:00<rham>babilen: you misunderstand me
07:00<rham>babilen: I don't need it because the upgrade is already in motion
07:01<rham>unfortunately somewhat glacial motion, but motion nonetheless
07:02<babilen>rham: Ah, okay. I *do* recommend following the instructions in the release notes though. There are steps that you shouldn't skip during the upgrade. A (very short and simplified) summary can the found in "/msg dselect lenny->squeeze" and "/msg dselect squeeze->wheezy"
07:03<babilen>rham: In particular the upgrade of the kernel and udev (+ reboot) *prior* to upgrading the rest of the system during the lenny->squeeze upgrade is of utmost importance.
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07:06<rham>babilen: well, when I say "upgrade" I mean we're building new infrastructure which runs wheezy and migrating services to use the new infrastructure, rather than running apt-get dist-upgrade on boxes
07:07<rham>hmm
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07:18<pabs>rham: any particular reason to reinstall instead of upgrade?
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07:22<rham>pabs: well, at the moment that's what we're doing
07:22<rham>pabs: but there's a lot of infrastructure
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07:22<rham>pabs: it may be the case that we reuse boxes further in to the migration
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07:26<pabs>ok, so no particular reason
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07:36<petn-randall>Well, if the box has a lot of custom software (not packaged) it is a little easier to migrate it from a squeeze box to a wheezy one step-by-step. Still convincing my boss to do it that way.
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07:38<jjanvier>hi there
07:39<jjanvier>I'm having trouble by installing nvidia drivers, help would be appreciated
07:39<jjanvier>I'm running on an Imac with KDE and 2 screens
07:40<jjanvier>I'm experiencing freezes with the nouveau driver, that's why I wanted to install nvidia's
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07:42<jm_>perhaps start by explaing your problem in more detail
07:43<jjanvier>I tried to install the driver as described here https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
07:43<jjanvier>but I get a beautifull black screen when trying to start x
07:43<nowster>Is it me, or is the current version of evince-gtk hideously ugly?
07:43<jjanvier>my conf and the log are available here https://gist.github.com/jjanvier/6899946
07:44<jm_>did you try it without the config file?
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07:44<themill>nowster: are not all gtk apps seriously hideous?
07:45<jm_>142.002] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0): EVO Push buffer channel allocation failed
07:45<nowster>No, I mean that the previous version was bland but usable. The new one is just WRONG.
07:45<jjanvier>jm_: yes, X works without the config files, but when I launch nvidia-settings, it tells me that I'm not using nvidia driver
07:45<jjanvier>jm_: that's why I used nvidia-xconfig to generate the xorg file
07:45<jm_>jjanvier: what if you just use a stanza to use nvidia driver?
07:45<jjanvier>jm_: stanza ?
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07:46<jm_>jjanvier: see Configuration section on the wiki page
07:46<jm_>it has a command to generate it
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07:47<nowster>3.4 was ok. 3.8 shifts things around and puts huge icons at the top.
07:47<jm_>jjanvier: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/573252/linux/evo-push-buffer-channel-allocation-failed-is-back-as-usedplib-false-no-more-supported-with-325-15/
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07:47<jm_>jjanvier: http://www.warp1337.com/content/macbook-pro-retina-nvidia-problems-evo-dma-push-buffer
07:48<jjanvier>jm_: thanks, I'll try this
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07:48<jm_>jjanvier: no worries, and for wheezy please use #debian-next
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07:49<jjanvier>jm_: thanks, I'm running on jessie, any channel more appropriate than this one ?
07:49<jm_>jjanvier: sorry, I meant jessie , so #debian-next (see topic)
07:49<jjanvier>ok ;)
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07:50<jm_>you could insert that Option in your config snippet in xorg.conf.d
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07:51<jjanvier>jm_: by creating a file (whatever the name) and just adding the line that disables the option ?
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07:53<jm_>jjanvier: the wiki gives you a good filename, use that command and then edit the file it creates to add additional options as described on the second site I gave you
07:54<jm_>it should be obvious where to put it if you combine the two
07:56<jjanvier>thanks, I try right now ;)
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08:04<jjanvier>jm_: everything seems to work great with both screens, a big thank you man !
08:04<jm_>jjanvier: no worries
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08:17<caracal>okay guys, i'm getting desperate: been without X for almost a day now, yeesh!
08:17<Sark>Why are you going without X?
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08:17<caracal>here's what i've tried: free radeon driver segfaults when i do Xorg --configure
08:18<caracal>without any xorg.conf, "No screens found"
08:18<Sark>What kind of video card are you using?
08:18<Sark>Have you tried using the VESA driver?
08:18<caracal>radeon 6670
08:19<Sark>And it's supposed to be supported by the free radeon driver?
08:19<caracal>and no, i haven't sunk quite that far yet
08:19<caracal>yes, it's not a real new card
08:19<caracal>been using fglrx, but jessie removed it
08:19<Sark>I know I ran into a card a couple years ago that just wouldn't work worth a damn with anything. There's a reason ATI products are always the cheapest...
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08:20<caracal>tried the catalyst driver (both versions, released and beta), no joy, different failures both ways
08:20<caracal>tried fglrx from sid, also no joy (different failure modes)
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08:21<caracal>Sark: this card has run successfully with both the free radeon driver and the binary blob from amd
08:21<Sark>So what changed between when it did work, and when it doesn't?
08:21<caracal>it's just switching (forced by packange flummery) is kicking my ass
08:21<caracal>what changed is that jessie removed fglrx
08:22<Sark>ah
08:22<caracal>i'm sure it'll be back in a few days, but i can't wait that long :)
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08:22<caracal>been hammering at it for almost a full day now, no joy
08:23<babilen>caracal: First and foremost: You want to ask in #debian-next for jessie/sid support. You also *do not* need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf as that has been deprecated in ages. It is quite normal for packages to be removed from testing and AFAICT fglrx is currently uninstallable in both testing and unstable due to the new Xorg ABI.
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08:23<Sark>I guess I'm a bit out of the loop - wasn't aware of a new release. I thought the current was wheezy
08:24<babilen>caracal: So please, lets continue this in #debian-next as it is a very testing specific problem.
08:24<caracal>babilen: okay, i'll try the other channel, thanks
08:24<babilen>Sark: It is, caracal is simply tracking a development release of Debian. (testing not stable)
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08:24<Sark>Ah. OK. That makes more sense then.
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08:25<Sark>I don't use testing for this very reason - it's not stable ;)
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09:54<psusi>can anyone tell me why this bug that was fixed in 2007 has still not been archived? #434663
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09:56<NotStallman>At least it got fixed.
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10:15<jordanm>psusi: that bug is not marked as closed
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10:25<MonkeyDust>Hey all, just wanted to ask, Ubuntu Help doesnt really help, ive had issues with Ubuntu XFCE where upon startup my laptop, a MSI, for some reason freezes, it responds fine for a few seconds, then the screen dims and it becomes unresponsive, can anybody help
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10:25<Rydekull>!ubuntu
10:25<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
10:27<babilen>MonkeyDust: Feel free to install and use Debian if you want our support. See <install debian> <install xfce> and <firmware image> for details. (/msg dpkg install debian) -- Otherwise take it to the appropriate channel(s) as #debian only support pure Debian for a number of social and technical reasons.
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10:56<bugtraq>hi
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11:12<cit>hey
11:12<cit>this is a test
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11:12<stdhell>cit: It didn't work.
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11:24<florian_>salut
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12:27<underclass> /lsit
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12:27<underclass>/list
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12:28<patriku>Hi, I just want to ask do you connect to wifi networks comfortably ? I have tried wicd, but now I am in the hotel I can see different aps with the same BSSID and it disconects quite often, but not coonect back despite the fact that automatic connection is enabled. I just installed network-manager, but having to install 178 MB of packages just to get applet is something I cant say I like. nmcli doesnt let me create any connection saying unauthorized to do so
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12:29*jello uses wicd
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12:29<dell>coleman?
12:29<dell>david?
12:29<dell>jacob?
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12:30<Ronjoe>Hi, I'm on sid, trying to install both libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 and libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386, but am unable to as of last update to :i386
12:30<patriku>jello: so you have never had any problems like i am having now ?
12:30<jello>nope
12:30<Ronjoe>I must have both libraries, cannot drop either
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12:31<retrospectacus>Ronjoe: please go to #debian-next for sid support
12:31<Ronjoe>aight, thanks
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12:32<Coleman>sup
12:32<dell>hello
12:32<dell>coleman
12:32<Coleman>hi babe
12:32<dell>my ass hurts
12:32<Coleman>im sorry
12:32<dell>you were big
12:32<Coleman>i know:)
12:32<dell>faggot lol
12:32<retrospectacus>dell: Coleman: please chat romanitcally somewhere else
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12:33<dell>hahahaha
12:33<Coleman>fuck you
12:33<dell>go suck a big one
12:33<retrospectacus>!ops mail.sunburst.k12.mt.us
12:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: retrospectacus complains about: mail.sunburst.k12.mt.us
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12:33<Maulkin>Hrmp
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12:34<jello>is there a user-level faq on getting pulseaudio to work? i'm running debian sid and now that pa is installed i can't get any sound from any application
12:35<patriku>jello: try to install pavucontrol and set it up there.
12:36<jello>patriku: i've installed pavucontrol, but all that's listed in Output is the dummy device -- is that correct?
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12:36<patriku>jello: no, it is not, I am afraid.
12:37<jello>any ideas on how to fix it?
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12:40<abrotman>hello
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12:41<jello>!gree abrotman
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12:41<jello>!greet abrotman
12:41<dpkg>Nihao, abrotman
12:41<abrotman>dpkg: Nihao
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12:41<dpkg>abrotman: i haven't a clue
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12:57<cit>hello Quentan this is Mendy This is a test to chat
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13:02<debnoob>hmm guys is it normal that every install shows twice in the package manager after the installation is finished? http://i.imm.io/1hXhl.png
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13:05<debnoob>happened with every single prog I installed so far
13:05<gigix>you mean when you use gpk
13:06<mtn>debnoob: what distro and what package manager?
13:06<mtn>debnoob: and no, it is not normal
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13:08<gigix>he's probably talking about gpk-application
13:08<debnoob>mtn it's Kali Linux
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13:08<mtn>debnoob: an, not supported here
13:08<retrospectacus>!kali
13:08<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:08<debnoob>I thought it be the same as far as the basic structure goes, no?
13:09<retrospectacus>debnoob: they have a suppor channel on freenode ^
13:09<gigix>well it is happening in debian too though
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13:09<retrospectacus>gigix: what is the bug number?
13:09<gigix>no idea if it's been reported
13:09<gigix>but it's definitely happening
13:09<debnoob>thank you retrospectacus so the package manager is different from regular Debian?
13:10<retrospectacus>I have never seen this interface. I only use apt-get
13:10<retrospectacus>debnoob: it's simple, if you're not using debian you can't get support here. it doesn't matter if it might be the same
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13:10<debnoob>gigix: were you referring to my problem?
13:11<gigix>same thing yes
13:11<debnoob>retrospectacus: ah ok thanks for clearing that up
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13:11<gigix>happens to me everytime
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13:11<debnoob>so I'm not the only one experiencing that bug gigix, you heard about it before?
13:12<gigix>but since gpk-application is soon to be deprecated in favour of GNOME Software, I hardly think that such a minor bug would be fixed
13:12<gigix>it's more cosmetic than anything really
13:12<debnoob>ah ok well that's the problem with being a linux-newbie, we're easily confused ^^
13:12<retrospectacus>I've never heard of "gpk"
13:13<debnoob>probably graphical package something
13:13<debnoob>is apt-get recommended rather? It doesn't do anything different really, does it?
13:13<gigix>there it is:
13:13<gigix>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655540
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13:14<debnoob>thanks a lot gigix that clears it up
13:15<gigix>debnoob: it does not mean gpk is not working, in fact I use it quite often and it is a decent package manager
13:16<gigix>synaptic is also very good
13:16<debnoob>yes it seems to working just fine, at least the programs start as expected
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13:16<debnoob>coud I just install synaptic without breaking anything or should I stay away being rather unexperienced?
13:17<mtn>debnoob: go ask #kali-linux. we might break your system.
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13:20<debnoob>ok thanks everybody for helping out!
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13:28<gigix>debnoob: I don't see why synaptic would do anything terrible. It's just another candidate in the package manager offering. You can use it on pretty much all Debian derivatives (ubuntu, mint...), so can't see why for Kali. Go check with them if you have doubts though.
13:29<gigix>The main difference is that synaptic has more options, far more than gpk provides.
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13:43<alex_>hello @ all
13:43<alex_>somebody interested in editing a fortran makefile?
13:43<alex_>need help
13:44<retrospectacus>uhhh try a fortran channel
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13:46<debnoob>thank you gigix I just googled a bit and it seems like synaptics may be safely installed in Kali, although most ppl seem to recommend apt-get :)
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14:03<Alexander>hi everyone
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14:03<retrospectacus>hi Alexander
14:04<Alexander>anyone got the intel 4400 HD graphics card to work with 3D acceleration? (integrated gpu in i3-4130t)
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14:39<dcapeletti>Hola
14:39<dcapeletti>como estan?
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14:40<dcapeletti>estoy intentanto usar el canal
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14:40<retrospectacus>!es
14:40<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:40<woutjek>What regulates me being able to write files with characters like é
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15:01<woutjek>Your Perl version has fleas #37757 #49830
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15:06<MiDiDUB>hi all
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15:07<MiDiDUB>is it possible to set global compiling options to use more than one core
15:07<MiDiDUB>i find when using -j4 on some source it wont use all cores
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15:14<kraiskil>MiDiDUB, sounds like an issue with the Makefile. Not much you can do short of re-writing it
15:14<MiDiDUB>thought so
15:14<MiDiDUB>oh well, guess i will have to wait
15:14<MiDiDUB>no worries
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15:14<MiDiDUB>thanks
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15:19<rostam>PLEASE HELP: Hi I am using apt-get with --download-only option to download binary packages to a local directory. Is there any option to download dependent pkgs also? thx
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15:29<musca>!tell rostam about apt-zip
15:29<woutjek>When copying I get a message that says: file(?).file does not exist. While it is obviously there. Is this a locale thing?
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15:31<rostam>musca: thanks
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15:32<musca>woutjek: did you try tab completion on the filename?
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15:32<woutjek>musca: I copied with Dolphin. Complete directories
15:33<woutjek>It is about the special characters
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15:35<patriku>woutjek: try rm -i file\(\?\).file
15:36<woutjek>patriku: why the hell would i want to remove that file? I want to copy it disk from disk.
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15:36<patriku>woutjek: sorry, my fault.
15:37<woutjek>I think this might be a KDE locale thing. I am going to do a copy in the console. I think there I wont have this problem..
15:37<patriku>woutjek: but the point is the same. it is about special characters and it has nothing to do with locales.
15:37<woutjek>patriku: Nevermind :) you are just trying to help ..
15:38<woutjek>patriku: I am not so sure about hat
15:38<woutjek>that
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15:39<patriku>woutjek: although dolphin should handle that, but it doesnt appearently.
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15:41<rostam>HI in my system, the deb pkgs in /var/cache/apt/archives have got deleted accidently, How could I recover from it? thx
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15:42<patriku>rostam: if it is just that, then you are ok.
15:42<jordanm>rostam: those are not needed
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15:44<patriku>rostam: there are the packages downloaded during installation or update and they are used only if there is no more recent package available in a repository.
15:44<rostam>patriku, jordanm thx for reply but I like to recover it if it is do able. Thx
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15:44<Jester01>I guess getting a listing using dpkg and then invoking apt-get -d would do the job with some glue :)
15:45<jordanm>rostam: deleting those file is a standard operation in apt-get clean
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15:45<jordanm>they will be downloaded again by apt as-needed
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15:48<rostam>I am trying to create a local depository of those files using apt-zip as a depository for our lab systems. I do not have the list of all the pkgs which was download in my test system, so I thought if I use the archive that would what I need. I hope that make sense :)
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15:49<jordanm>rostam: you probably want apt-cacher-ng instead
15:50<rostam>jordanm, I will go ahead and read about it, but would that recover all the pkgs on my test system? thx
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16:04<neo1691>If I download a source of any package, my best bet will be to move that package to /usr/local/src and then run ./configure from that folder? Please correct me if I am wrong
16:05<mgv>dpkg: tell neo1691 about build package
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16:05<mgv>neo1691: so don't move the source anywhere, just run dpkg-buildpackage in the source directory
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16:06<Jester01>rostam: something like for i in $(dpkg -l | grep ^.i | cut -f3 -d" "); do apt-get -d install --reinstall "$i"; done
16:06<neo1691>mgv thanks a lot, nut just was curious to know about the best practices followed you see!
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16:07<Jester01>well, actually we don't need to loop
16:07<SamB>neo1691: put it somewhere under your home directory; mine go under ~/hacking/debian/
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16:07<SamB>well, for Debian packages
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16:07<SamB>for unpackaged stuff, somewhere else under ~/hacking
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16:07<neo1691>SamB: Well I thought they go under /usr/local/src for user packages and /usr/src for packages that came with the OS
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16:07<Jester01>apt-get -d -s install --reinstall $(dpkg -l | grep ^.i | cut -f3 -d" ")
16:08<Jester01>without -s :)
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16:10<neo1691>Also is anyone using the latest gnome-shell 3.10 on debian wheezy? Wanted to update it, but not at the risk of stability
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16:13<musca>then just forget it, neo1691
16:14<musca>!gnome status
16:14<dpkg>Status of the GNOME 3.8 <transition> can be found at http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html
16:15<neo1691>musca: Ha Ha!! Ok!! The thing with version 3.4 is, that it wont give me notifications for xchat when someone mentions me on irc
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16:18<gigix>neo1691: Gnome 3.8 is not even completely out in Debian testing/sid, so to be thinking about 3.10...
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16:19<neo1691>gigix: Should I stick with 3.4?
16:19<gigix>if you're sticking with wheezy yes
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16:19<pawnheart>identify P4wNh34Rt
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16:20<Jester01>oops :)
16:20<retrospectacus>ghost pawnheart
16:20<musca>pawnheart: hurry hurry, get a new one.
16:20<pawnheart>:)
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16:20<pawnheart>something must have gone wrong...
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16:21<neo1691>Anyone here gone through the LFS project?
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16:22<ectospasm>neo1691: tried it once... it didn't work, probably because I didn't follow directions and use precisely the versions of packages suggested.
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16:23<neo1691>ectospasm: Hmm, guess I am going to find out soon whether it will work for me or not!
16:23<SamB>LFS?
16:23<neo1691>SamB: Linux From Scratch
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16:40<rhiamom>Doing some basic setup on my shiny new Debian box - who can recommend a chat client analogous to Trillian, that works with Yahoo and AIM in particular?
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16:41<ectospasm>Pidgin
16:41<ectospasm>rhiamom: ^
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16:41<rhiamom>tyvm
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16:49<rhiamom>hmm, having trouble getting the Facebook chat account set up cotrrectly
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16:50<bzed>rhiamom: facebook has a page about configuring pidgin correctly
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16:52<rhiamom>ah, excellent, thank you bzed!
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16:59<rhiamom>Ah, setting up Pidgin for Facebook chat is extra hard when one has never set up a Facebook username. /me slams head on desk repeatedly
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17:13<ectospasm>I've got an issue with smartd: it reports an error (Offline uncorrectable sector) in syslog every 24 hours, but no incantation of smartctl reports the error, so I can't figure out the LBA of the first error (it's not reported in syslog afaict)... usually I see this error along with CurrentPendingSector errors, but I just see the error reported in syslog (and smartctl reports all OK)
17:13<petn-randall>rhiamom: Facebook chat also demands that you at least have 10 friends. Otherwise it will mock you for being unpopular.
17:14<ectospasm>harsh
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17:14<petn-randall>ectospasm: Hmm, could you paste your /etc/smartd.conf to http://paste.debian.net?
17:15<rhiamom>Wow, that is really mean of Facebook. I deliberately keep my friends down to a bare minimum, about 20
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17:16<vook>I have 6 ethernet ports on a server, 4 controlled by the igb module (a 4 port card) and the other two by e1000e. For some reason, the interfaces on the 4-port card are being assigned eth0, eth3, eth4, and eth5, while the e1000e is eth1 and eth2. How can I manage getting the 2 embedded e1000e's to be eth0 and eth1 ?
17:16<petn-randall>rhiamom: I'm just kidding :)
17:16<vook>(at boot)
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17:16<petn-randall>vook: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is where the mapping occurs.
17:17<petn-randall>vook: You can change the names around there, just be careful when doing it.
17:17<vook>ok thanks
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17:17<ectospasm>petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/54583/
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17:19<petn-randall>ectospasm: And which device does smartd report?
17:19<ectospasm>/dev/sda
17:19<ectospasm>petn-randall: ^
17:19<ectospasm>I'm using DEVICESCAN because I was lazy when I set this up.
17:20<petn-randall>ectospasm: Can you also paste the mail and the output of 'smartctl -a /dev/sda'?
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17:22<ectospasm>petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/54605/
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17:31<petn-randall>ectospasm: smartctl actually does report the offline uncorrectable error.
17:31<petn-randall>ectospasm: In case you don't have backups, it's a good moment to make some.
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17:39<ectospasm>petn-randall: I saw that, but it doesn't report the sector of the first error, so I can't clear it (according to bad blocks howto). I already have backups, I suppose I should migrate this system to a new hard drive...
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17:46<petn-randall>ectospasm: the bad blocks howto only applies to pending sectors.
17:47<petn-randall>(AFAIR)
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17:47<ectospasm>it actually has an example for offline uncorrectable sectors.
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17:48<ectospasm>usually I get the same LBA for both the offline uncorrectable and current pending sectors, which perfectly matches the bad blocks howto first example.
17:49<petn-randall>ectospasm: Ah, probably every vendor interprets those fields differently.
17:49<ectospasm>the last time it occurred to this HDD, the sector was not assigned to any file, so I just zeroed it and cleared the error.
17:49<petn-randall>ectospasm: On the drives I've seen, offline uncorrectable means that the HDD ran out of reserve sectors.
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17:50<petn-randall>ectospasm: If the drive already had errors like this, make sure you have current backups.
17:50<ectospasm>this is a fairly old hard drive
17:51<ectospasm>I do. I back up to a NAS several times a day (rsnapshot)
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17:52<ectospasm>I do have a few hard drives lying around, I will try to provision one of them this weekend.
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17:59<rostam>Hello I have created preseed debian iso image, once burn on dvd I can automate installation of debian, my question is how I can create usb version of it? thx
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18:09<petn-randall>ectospasm: You can always trigger an extended offline test which will find the problematic sector.
18:11<pencil>rostam: sudo dd if=<your_iso_image_path> of=<path_of_target_usb_disk> bs=1m
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18:12<pencil>you will need to determine which disk # you are writing to by running the appropriate command in terminal - for most linux that is fdisk -l
18:12<pencil>should be something like /dev/disk3 (number will vary depending on where the usb is mounted
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18:14<pencil>rostam: usb will need to be unmounted before running the above command
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18:20<rostam>pencil, thanks so much
18:22<pencil>rostam: no worries enjoy
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18:22<retrospectacus>"cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" is the recommended method, no need to be root or use dd
18:22<retrospectacus>though that will work too ofc
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18:28<muhammad-yasin_>hallo
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18:45<muhammad-yasin_>i want to try debian linux... but i don't know how to run?
18:46<muhammad-yasin_>ubuntu 13.04
18:46<retrospectacus>!ig
18:46<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>.
18:47<muhammad-yasin_>thank
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18:48<muhammad-yasin_>what new debian ?
18:48<retrospectacus>muhammad-yasin_: pardon?
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18:49<muhammad-yasin_>sorry i can't speak english
18:49<retrospectacus>it's not bad
18:49<muhammad-yasin_>i am from indonesia
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19:11<petn-randall>Does anyone know of an online voting system? I.e. where I can set up multiple choices and let the users vote? Bonus if it's already in the repos.
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19:13<daemonkeeper>Vote as in a random website poll, or vote as in Debian elections?
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19:37<petn-randall>Vote as in on a website. I'm looking for a way to easily vote on things for my co-working space.
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19:38<petn-randall>I already checked Trac, but it's plugin can only vote issues up or down, not multiple choice.
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19:40<blarson>petn-randall: iirc, ikiwiki has polls as a standard feature or plugin.
19:40<petn-randall>Something like http://www.doodle.com/, but FOSS.
19:40<petn-randall>blarson: Hmm, I'll look into that.
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19:44<petn-randall>Though I'm still open for new ideas.
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21:15<scriptkiddy>First day of my life in ubun
21:15<scriptkiddy>and it is amazing..
21:15<scriptkiddy>(rock)
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21:20<dharc>I have Dell Inspiron 15R and Wheezy is heating up over it
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21:23<dharc>I'm getting worried because this notebook is new
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22:43<vortek>my root password wont work is there a way to recover it or force my system to use the old one?
22:43<dondelelcaro>!i forgot root's password
22:43<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
22:43<dondelelcaro>vortek: see above
22:44<vortek>thankyou
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