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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-12

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00:36<ewerton>how to install ubuntu one in debian wheezy
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00:39<ewerton>how sync my files in cloud in debian wheezy?
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02:24<ljsoftnet>how do i adjust clock?
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02:32<themill>ljsoftnet: installing the ntp package is the simplest way
02:34<ljsoftnet>themill date terminal fixed it
02:34<ljsoftnet>themill date terminal command fixed it
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03:24<ljsoftnet>where does debian put wallpaper in desktop settings?
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03:59<sakax>i use lightdm with xfcesession but there is also xsession available... however each time i log on with xsession i have issues.
04:00<sakax>can i remove xsession in some way?
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04:30<sakax>this is the xsession-errors output i get
04:30<sakax>using lightdm with xfcesession works fine... logon with xsession doesnt
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04:31<sakax>it seems like its looking for gnome keyring but i have xfce's keyring installed
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04:57<Manoj>is here anybody who provide me good simple article link about partation of disk using debian
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04:58<Manoj>do you know about that
04:59<Manoj>how to partation harddrive
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05:03<dpkg>You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ:
05:04<emaxxim>in debian Manoj? This is your fisrt installation?
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05:04<emaxxim>you need a partion / this is your root and then I suggest you to ceate another one with label /home Manoj
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05:08<Manoj>thanks emaxxim :)
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06:16<Human_G33k>Somebody know how i install and use cuda, it's for my study ?
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06:16<Human_G33k>(sry for my en)
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06:19<dutchfish>Human_G33k, i am not that familiar with it, but you can start here
06:20<Human_G33k>ok thx.
06:21<dutchfish>Human_G33k, and this
06:21<dutchfish>have fun
06:21<Human_G33k>i see this link but i don't able to know it's is a clean install or not, it is ?
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06:22<dutchfish>no idee, but i know some people who succesfully pulled it of
06:22<dutchfish>apart form some minor nvidea driver problems
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06:22<Human_G33k>ok i will try
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06:23<dutchfish>Human_G33k, document and log each step, thats the best advice i can give
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06:24<Human_G33k>ok i will do this
06:24<Human_G33k>where can i post my result ?
06:25<dutchfish>Human_G33k, well, if you succeed you can ask to append it to the debian wiki, that would be nice
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06:25<che>so I'm running stable and I'm looking to upgrade a package from unstable. I have libc6 2.13-38 but the package requires 2.14. Am I correct in assuming upgrading my libc6 will cause me tons of trouble?
06:26<dutchfish>i bet some more peops are strugling with it as well
06:27<Human_G33k>ok lest rock
06:27<dutchfish>have fun
06:27<Human_G33k>not sure
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06:30<montanha>oh dude i couldn't upgrade my libc6 as well
06:30<sakax> => does someone know why i cannot use lightdm with xsession? xfce session works fine.... I am using debian wheezy
06:30<montanha>but it's not that simple
06:30<montanha>i think
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06:34<Human_G33k>i use, but i have no pb i think.
06:34<che>yeah I just almost went all the way then apt gave me the list of packages it would remove when upgrading the package... it would be disastrous
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06:39<dutchfish>montanha, dont upgrade libc6 its basically ditribution bound or almost
06:41<dutchfish>montanha, if you really need a newer one, use sid, but prepare for a wild ride
06:41<che>might i be able to compile a package from unstable against the stable libc6?
06:42<dutchfish>99.9% yes
06:42<dutchfish>not when its directly related to a newer kernel like drivers
06:43<che>if backports exist for a package then it would be prominently displayed at, right?
06:44<dutchfish>che, sure or consult bpo
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06:45<che>oh wth never seen that
06:45<che>glad I asked
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06:52<robert05>can i have a question about the debian installing?
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06:54<RonBurgundy>Is this the channel to ask questions about install?
06:54<montanha>btw, thank you for your tipp dutchfish ;-)
06:54<robert05>well, i downloaded the netinst iso file, and tried to install to OS, that way, i cant connect to my router (wlan, wpa2), also i have a "non-free" driver for my wlan chip, but
06:54<dutchfish>montanha, yw, btw this might also be of intrest
06:54<robert05>the installer ask me for a DHCP client
06:55<robert05>any ideas?
06:55<robert05>also installed the debian without GUI, but i'd like to get one ofc. :)
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06:55<robert05>so i have a working wlan chip and a working wlan router with wpa2 key
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06:56<robert05>and i can connect for it, but they installer still ask me for a dhcp client/server or no idea :O
06:56<RonBurgundy>robert05 don't you open console during install and set up your wireless interface?
06:56<montanha>robert05 plug in a cable?
06:56<robert05>cant :)
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06:56<dutchfish>robert05, if you know what driver it needs and in which package, you can download that package on another computer and feed it with a usb stick onn install time, read the debian wiki about installing with missing drivers
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06:56<robert05>well, i have that driver
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06:57<robert05>and downloaded, installed it, but the installer ask me for a dhcp thing
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06:57<RonBurgundy>assign your self a static up
06:57<dutchfish>robert05, whats the 'exact' error message?
06:57<robert05>gimme a sec please
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06:58<robert05>the installer cant configure DHCP
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06:59<dutchfish>robert05, this means either it cant load driver/firmware or its not connected
06:59<dutchfish>(lan card)
06:59<robert05>well, my chip found the wlan and i was able to join with wpa2
06:59<dutchfish>because dhcp client needs a working card to do its job
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07:00<dutchfish>then your dhcp server on your firewall/router doesnt respond to dhcp requests?
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07:00<robert05>yes, i guess
07:01<dutchfish>robert05, then make first a static one in /etc/network/interfaces
07:01<robert05>well, i tried ^^
07:01<robert05>tried with wpa_supplicant too
07:01<dutchfish>if that works figure out why there is no respons on a dhcp request over your wifi net
07:01<robert05>in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
07:02<dutchfish>does it work with a wired connectin?
07:02<robert05>not really
07:02<SynrG>surely you mean /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf?
07:02<robert05>with wired, didnt tried with wired
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07:02<robert05>im not able to try it with a wired connection :)
07:02<dutchfish>ah ok
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07:03<robert05>so once again, should i try it with an other driver?
07:04<dutchfish>robert05, can you send the following output to pastebin `lspci -v`
07:04<dutchfish>or at least have a peak at it if your device is listed
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07:05<dutchfish>next, look at the output of ifconfig
07:05<robert05>sure, how can i copy it in terminal?
07:05<robert05>(without gui)
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07:05<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
07:05<SynrG>or else what did you mean?
07:06<SynrG>if you meant copy so *we* can see it, that's how
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07:06<SynrG>if you meant copy from one place to the other locally, use screen
07:06<robert05>thanks, gimme a minute
07:06<dpkg>well, cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. See also <more> and <less>.
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07:07<dpkg>dog is, like, called man's best friend, or a footstool, or god spelled backwards, or cats from www, or, or a buffering replacement for <cat>: not maintained upstream, removed from Debian post-Lenny resolve bug #518398.
07:07<dutchfish>or pastebinit (but that needs a working uplink)
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07:20<dutchfish>robert05, sorry i need to run, i will be back later, others might be able to pick it up as well form here
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07:22<robert05>im on my GF's laptop
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07:23<robert05>dutchfish: so what's the situation: i have a Debian without GUI, and cant connect to my wlan router
07:24<robert05>cant scroll in the debian terminal, and cant copy from it :S
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07:25<robert05>are you here dutchfish? :)
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07:43<kyle>hi, i am just trying to get some help with linux mint debian
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07:46<hotkey>kyle connect your IRC client to #linuxmint-help on
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08:04<dutchfish>robert05, i am back
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09:22<Moritz>Hi, I'm trying to connect to my main server using my backup server with "wget -r -P /backups" but I end up getting the error message "No such directory `/var/www'." even though I know it's correct.
09:22<Moritz>"Username", "password" and "" is really something else, yes.
09:22<themill>Moritz: is whatever ftp server you are using enforcing a different / on the connections?
09:23<themill>also, you might like to use something other than unencrypted ftp for this...
09:23<Moritz>I got proftp installed.
09:23<Human_G33k>use scp
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09:25<ectospasm>scp ftw
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09:25<ectospasm>or, an sftp client (built into most file browsers)
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09:26<themill>or rsync if you're going to do this recursively
09:27<Moritz>The thing is that I'm trying to create some sort of a backup system. But I suck so much at this so I followed a youtube tutorial which looked quite easy.
09:27<Moritz>Tried with rsnapshot before but gave up after a couple of hours.
09:28<ectospasm>rsnapshot is simple enough, I use it...
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09:28<ectospasm>the syntax of rsnapshot.conf is a little contrived
09:28<ectospasm>what were the problems you were getting with it?
09:29<babilen>Moritz: You might want to take a look at dirvish, but rsnapshot isn't particularly hard. What kind of problem did you have with that? I agree that using FTP (in general) isn't the best of ideas.
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09:32<Moritz>I don't remember what troubles I ran into before tbh, it was a couple of weeks ago. But I'l try using rsnapshot again and/or try dirvish. Thanks guys, don't be surprised if I pop up here again... :)
09:33<Guest2178>Hello. I need some help. My wlan isn´t working. I´ve installed the non-free firmware, but when I look under ifconfig, it isn´t there.
09:34<themill>Guest2178: ifconfig -a
09:35<Lancien>maybe just start it! Guest1727 with ifconfig wlan0 up
09:35<Lancien>or see in ifup
09:36<Guest2178>themill: Thanks. It works :) I don´t know ifconfig -a yet.
09:38<Guest2178>What does ifconfig -a do?
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09:43<bach>hello (debian7): I can't find /dev/mixer or /dev/audio, is there a way to reinstall sound packages so that the devices are available? To be more precise, I need /dev/mixer for wmaker mixer app (wmixer).
09:44<bach>nevertheless, sound is working.
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09:48<valdyn>bach: i think you need to install the oss-compat package
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09:49<valdyn>bach: though it would probably be better to use a mixer program that supports alsa directly
09:49<bach>is already installed. I am a bit puzzled, i also tried alsaconf but it isnt there despite the fact that alsa-utils is installed.
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09:49<valdyn>bach: the modules are just not (yet) loaded
09:50<valdyn>bach: "modprobe snd-mixer-oss"
09:50<valdyn>bach: alsaconf is obsoleted
09:50<bach>ah, yes. Great, thank you so much.
09:51<valdyn>bach: having oss-compat installed shouldnt do more than load the modules automatically on next reboot
09:51<bach>ok, so i mustn't edit any configuration file for automatically loading snd-mixer-oss.
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10:20<Human_G33k>i need the 32bit opengl lib with nvidia driver any ideas ?
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10:22<valdyn>Human_G33k: install it
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10:25<Human_G33k>you know the name of .deb ?
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11:16<nocturnal>if aplay -l shows card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
11:16<nocturnal>is that a guarantee that I have audio out on hdmi?
11:16<nocturnal>because I can't hear anything
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11:16<nocturnal>when trying to play on 0,3 that is
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11:16<nocturnal>but playing on 0,0 works
11:17<nocturnal>hdmi video out works too
11:17<ectospasm>you might have to tell the audio to go out HDMI
11:17<ectospasm>are you using pulseaudio?
11:18<nocturnal>no, the daemon is not running
11:18<nocturnal>I used aplay to test
11:18<nocturnal>so I assumed that was pulse
11:18<nocturnal>maybe I need to configure pulseaudio first
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11:19<ectospasm>yeah, I use pulse, and use pavucontrol to set up everything.
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11:22<nocturnal>while I'm here, another topic. what can I do if I have two monitors that support different resolutions? so far my experiments with xrandr have been successful but the resolution never fits both screens. I wish I could get two separate screens with their own resolution and not use "right of" or "above" because that always stretches my current screen and makes it hard to use.
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11:23<ectospasm>what video chipset are you using? <-- nocturnal
11:24<nocturnal>intel hd3000
11:24<ectospasm>I don't know anything about Intel graphics, sorry
11:24<nocturnal>so it's chipset specific then? I should look up the features of it
11:25<ectospasm>although you should be able to define different screen geometries in xorg.conf, but I haven't had to do that (my screens are the same geometry)
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11:26<nocturnal>I have done that. and then I get one resolution on my TV, and one on my laptop. but the unwanted behavior is that my TV shows my laptops screen
11:26<nocturnal>and then some extra that is counted by my WM as the TV screen
11:26<nocturnal>that's as close I could get to a good setup
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11:27<nocturnal>I'll see if I can screenshot it
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11:30<babilen>nocturnal: You can set resolutions per-display. I end up simply using "-auto", but you might want to choose something specific. The "-right-of" options simply determine how displays are placed and where they connect. That shouldn't influence the resolution.
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11:31<babilen>nocturnal: Try something along the lines of "xrandr --output VGA1 --auto --output VGA2 --auto --left-of VGA1" (adapt VGA1 and VGA2 to the actual values there)
11:31<nocturnal> here's the behavior I get on my TV. my TV has a higher resolution set than my laptop screen in xorg. if I use ratpoison :nextscreen command which is for dual head setups, then I end up in the space outside of the tmux frame. it's quite strange.
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11:31<nocturnal>and if I run :nextscreen to get to the TV screen, then start a new frame, it covers everything
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11:32<babilen>nocturnal: Could you verify that behaviour with different WMs?
11:33<babilen>And that looks as if you simply mirror one screen on the other.
11:33<nocturnal>ok, so what is the opposite of this mirror mode?
11:33<nocturnal>I think that's what I'm after
11:33<nocturnal>I don't want mirror, nor stretch
11:34<nocturnal>I want a separate screen
11:35<nocturnal>heh I think I'm starting to understand this mode of behavior though. when I use :nextscreen I get to the TV and I can ignore the laptop screen because anything I do will only look good on the TV. and :nextscreen again and I'm back on the laptop with same rules applying, anything done there will look bad on the TV.
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11:36<babilen>nocturnal: The command I mentioned above (that you probably haven't tried yet) configures both screens independently that are conncted
11:36<nocturnal>I have tried it
11:36<nocturnal>right now I'm using right-of laptop screen
11:36<babilen>And, does that do, in fact, use the optimal resolution on both displays?
11:37<nocturnal>yes, I checked xrandr and entered each screens optimal resolution into xorg
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11:37<nocturnal>well, to be honest I only entered the resolution for the TV. I leave my laptop screen on auto
11:37<nocturnal>but it uses the highest
11:37<nocturnal>I only named the laptop screen "Primary"
11:37<nocturnal>so I could use "right-of" "primary"
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11:37<nocturnal>or "rightof"
11:38<babilen>You neither need nor necessarily want to hardcode resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/whatever-you-called-it.conf
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11:38<nocturnal>so I think you're right, I should try different WMs
11:38<nocturnal>this could be ratpoison behavior
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11:46<dpkg>kekko: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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12:02<nocturnal>I solved my hdmi sound out problem by simply unmuting s/pdif in alsamixer. no need for pulseaudio.
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12:05<esseh>I am looking for some help on a new debian install: successfully completed a netinst from CD, however the computer hangs during the startup sequence with the last message displayed "[drm] cannot find any crtc or sizes - going with 1024x768"
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12:07<esseh>Among other things, I've tried passing nomodeset and xforcevesa to kernel from GRUB to no avail
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12:12<MrFrood>esseh: can you get a VT using ctrl+alt+F1 ?
12:12<dpkg>kekko: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi per saperne di più.
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12:15<bremner>kekko: basta.
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12:17<nocturnal>weird though, any music I play in the browser or terminal plays through the TV but if I start mplayer it plays through the laptop speakers.
12:17<chris>in which package openGL is included
12:17<nocturnal>ahh -ao in mplayer
12:18<bremner>chris: mesa, probably. What are you trying to accomplish?
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12:19<chris>for the first getting the glxgears running
12:19<bremner>install mesa-utils
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12:20<bremner>if you want to build it from source, that's different.
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12:22<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:23<Human_G33k>i need opengl lib for i386 but i don't what is need ?
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12:23<bremner>Human_G33k: on an amd64 system?
12:23<bremner>!tell Human_G33k about multiarch
12:24<Human_G33k>i already add arch
12:24<bremner>what exact library are you missing?
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12:25<Human_G33k>error while loading shared libraries:
12:25<bremner>I guess that's in libgl1-mesa-glx
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12:27<chris>now im trying ti get dota running
12:28<chris>get the errorlog "could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated."
12:28<Human_G33k>i have ... but before i used nvidia .run
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12:29<esseh>I can mount the hard drive using the CD in recovery mode, is there some log file that might have some hints about what's breaking during startup?
12:29<babilen>Human_G33k: We neither recommend nor support nvidia's installer and it does funny things with the GL symlinks. Either follow or ask in #nvidia on for support.
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12:30<babilen>Human_G33k: I am not sure if you can install both amd64 and i386 libgl1-nvidia-glx simultaneously
12:30<babilen>(but try)
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12:31<Human_G33k>ok i will see
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12:33<chris>when i lunch dota 2 from stam i get the error massage: "Could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated."
12:34<chris>im running an amd64 arcitecture with an amd hd 7970
12:34<bremner>chris: I guess dota is not from Debian? maybe you should check their requirements
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12:35<chris>dota 2 is from steam (valve)
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12:36<bremner>dunno. maybe it doesn't work with mesa.
12:37<chris>but anyway i honestly dont now how to check...
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12:37<bremner>I guess valve should be able to tell you
12:38<Human_G33k>pb solve with remove libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32 and install apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
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12:45<chris>i guess the problem is located at OpenGL im not shure if its installed. how to confirm?
12:45<bremner>chris: I don't understand, why are you not asking for help in #ubuntu? there's probably lots more steam users there.
12:46<bremner>oh, that's the steam requirements, sorry, I misunderstood.
12:46<bremner>well, those are not very specific. I guess there is some issue with the version of OpenGL needed.
12:47<chris>i think i havent installed openGL in any version so i agree
12:48<bremner>I thought you got glxgears working.
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12:48<chris>i did so openGL is installed for shure?
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12:49<chris>cause i had to install glxgears first
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12:49<bremner>chris: well, openGL is a standard. mesa is a library (mostly) compatible with that standard.
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12:49<chris>ah i see
12:50<Moritz>I know I'm a complete failure at this, but where do I get the rsnapshot files? I ran "sudo apt-get install rsnapshot" and it said that rsnapshot is already up to date, yet I get "-bash: ./configure: No such file or directory" when I try to run "./configure --sysconfdir=/etc".
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12:51<bremner>Moritz: you want to build rsnaphot from source? why?
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12:52<Moritz>I have no idea what I'm doign tbh, trying to follow the installation guide (
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12:53<bremner>well, if you just want to use rsnapshot, you're done, apt-get installed it for you
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12:54<Moritz>Oh, so I just need to start to configure it now?
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12:55<babilen>Moritz: I'd recommend to read /usr/share/doc/rsnapshot/README* (if available) too
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12:57<chris>i found this errors in the log "OpenGL GLX context is not using direct rendering, which may cause performance problems." "(steam:5875): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "xfce"" "
12:57<chris>(steam:5875): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Trying to remove a child that doesn't believe we're it's parent"
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12:57<Moritz>Haha, I'm so dumb. Thanks for the help guys-
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12:57<sakax> => does someone know why i cannot use lightdm with xsession? xfce session works fine.... I am using debian wheezy
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13:04<lamb>abrotman: Thanks for the indications some weeks ago on how to backport a package (I'm the person who asked about a xorg-video-intel fix). Have reached ~60 hr uptimes without issues.
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13:05<ectospasm>lamb: ideally, you would have uptime indefinitely.
13:06<lamb>ectospasm: I think I would, as well, but there's something wrong with meatspace - I have to turn off the laptop sometimes! :p
13:06<ectospasm>ah, that would do it.
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13:07<ectospasm>I just hibernate mine... I dunno if that does anything for uptime (never looked into it)
13:07<lamb>Have had bad experience with hibernate since forever (and regardless of OS). So I only suspend or poweroff depending on circumstance.
13:08<lamb>Can't care much, this Debian takes quite a short time to power on/off
13:08<ectospasm>hibernation does take longer, but when I boot back up I don't have to remember what I was working on, it's all right there.
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13:20<chris>hi there! im chris very smart and good looking brother helping him to fix the opengl problem
13:21<chris>anyone has a glue what the problem?
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13:22<EmleyMoo1>Are there any reasons why a particular partition may keep failing on a RAID array?
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13:23<chris>EmleyMoo1, well... i would check the cable just to exclude it...
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13:24<EmleyMoor>chris: OK - I'll get a spare and swap it out at next fail/downtime/kernel upgrade.
13:25<EmleyMoor>It's happened repeatedly since I got this disc...
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13:35<chris>what kind of disk?
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13:37<chris>EmleyMoor: is it a hard drive or a ssd
13:37<Greylocks>EmleyMoor: basic I know, but have you run a disk utility to check for bad sectors?
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13:40<ectospasm>EmleyMoor: smartmontools is your friend
13:41<ectospasm>although if it's an SSD it won't be much help.
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13:44<Moritz>If I want to use keygens between two servers (server 1 will use rsnapshot take backups from server 2). Should I create the keygen on server 1 and then add it to server 2, or the other way around?
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13:45<ectospasm>Moritz: which side will be initiating the rsync operation over SSH?
13:46<Moritz>"Server 1". :)
13:46<ectospasm>i.e., which will be running the client?
13:46<ectospasm>OK, so put id_xysa{,.pub} on server1
13:47<ectospasm>and append to .ssh/authorized_keys on server2
13:47<ectospasm>oooor, you could use ssh-copy-id
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13:47<Moritz>I tried to create the sshkey on server 1 and then copy it manually to server 2, but I guess that's wrong.
13:48<Moritz>Especially since I can't even find "authorized_keys" on server 2...
13:48<ectospasm>Moritz: if it doesn't exist you'll need to create it
13:48<ectospasm>and that's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
13:48<ectospasm>it won't exist by default
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13:48<ectospasm>~ being the home directory of the user that will be logging in from server1
13:49<ectospasm>ssh-copy-id works quite well, except for me. I typically have SSH listening on a nonstandard port
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13:50<wheeler>hi everyone!
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13:52<retrospectacus>hi wheeler
13:52<wheeler>I've just updated my Deb to 7.2
13:53<Moritz>Thanks for the help guys. :)
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13:54<wheeler>I'd like to know what can cause PCH poison interrupt
13:54<wheeler>I have had this error on startup since my first contact with Debian Wheezy
13:55<wheeler>and I hoped that it will disappear after update
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13:58<ectospasm>wow, bad link
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13:59<ectospasm>drat, there are no comments there )-;
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13:59<wheeler>I read this some time ago
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13:59<ectospasm>but a "poison interrupt" sounds very much like a hardware problem, like a machine check exception (MCE)
14:00<wheeler>but in my case I can run my Debian, use system. My problem is that I cannot use virtual terminals
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14:01<wheeler>What's more, I don't have any idea which part of hardware could cause this error in my case.
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14:01<ectospasm>could be anything on the bus where the interrupt is placed.
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14:05<EmleyMoor>ectospasm: smartmontools is reporting no errors for that disc. Ironically, it was saying "airflow temperature too high" before I cleared dust from the machine, but the array never failed when that was happening.
14:06<anon4256>hey guy's I'm trying to get my wifi running so I did: apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi & it worked but " dmesg | grep firmware" say's "iwl4965 no suitable firmware found!". Help?
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14:08<anon4256>Which is strange because in my /lib/firmware "iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode" is there.
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14:10<anon4256>anyone? I'm getting ready for work as we speak
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14:11<gregor_>whats better virtual box or VMware??
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14:12<anon4256>Well I have to go to work, guess I'll just try and figure it out late.
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14:16<esseh>well, I tried plugging in a monitor into each of my two video cards and that got rid of the last message during the start up, but it still hangs
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14:26<blackhook>Does anyone know where I can contact Anonymous?
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14:31<Moritz>I created the "authorized_keys"-file in the "/.ssh" folder and added the string I found in into it, but it still asks me for the password...
14:32<Moritz>Do I need to add something together with the key?
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14:34<babilen>Moritz: It's easiest to copy it over with ssh-copy-id, might want to try that. You might also have set a passphrase on the key that you are being asked for.
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14:34<babilen>Moritz: We would have to see the "ssh -vvvvv foo@bar" output on to provide further help
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14:40<SynrG>hi. got a debian support question?
14:40<boodie>I managed to make a mess today, trying to update my system (wheezy) ... aptitude hadn't finished unpacking/configuring the packages, when there was no space on the disk left
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14:41<SynrG>what state is the system in now?
14:41<SynrG>have you been able to reclaim enough space to continue?
14:41<boodie>I suppose the directory was /var. So I cleared the cache and finished ... when restarted X doesn't work
14:42<boodie>I am now with the terminal
14:42<SynrG>did you size /var too small? is that on a separate partition?
14:42<SynrG>have you corrected this?
14:42<boodie>Not yet
14:42<SynrG>so, what happens when X starts? do you have a log?
14:43<SynrG>use and let's see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
14:43<boodie>I had gdm3 before. Now the gnome splashscreen appears and freezes
14:43<SynrG>ok. when you say you updated your wheezy system, you're just talking about the point release?
14:44<boodie>What do you mean by "point release"?
14:44<SynrG>from wheezy -> wheezy
14:44<SynrG>7.0 -> 7.1
14:45<babilen>A "dpkg -a --configure" might be needed to finish configuring
14:45<boodie>I suppose
14:45<SynrG>good point
14:46<boodie>Tried already "dpkg -a --configure" seems ok
14:46<SynrG>boodie: ok. then the Xorg.0.log, please.
14:47<boodie>Ok how do I upload it (using the terminal)?
14:47<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
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14:49<Nummer>Hi all
14:49<Nummer>noobs all :)
14:49<babilen>Moritz: So, looks as if you key is being offered, but you might not enter your passphrase (did you generate the key with a passphrase and do you enter it?)
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14:49<babilen>Nummer: Play elsehwere please.
14:50<babilen>(or /msg me if you believe that "noobs all" is indeed an acceptable way to say "good evening")
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14:51<Moritz>babilen: The instructions from rsnapshot said that the keygen shouldn't have a passphrase, so I just pressed enter.
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14:52<babilen>Moritz: yeah, that's fair enough
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14:53<babilen>But I am being forced to cook fancy dinner for a hungry horde of people and will start doing that. All the best :)
14:53<boodie>Hi it's me again ... I tried to install nopaste ... I found pnopaste, is it the same thing? It requires a MySQL configuration ...
14:54<bremner>no, nopaste is a just a simple script.
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14:55<dutchfish>libapp-nopaste-perl: /usr/bin/nopaste
14:55<SynrG>boodie: did you read the factoid? the package name is not nopaste
14:56<SynrG>To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl ...
14:56<boodie>where do
14:56<SynrG>to this non-perl-team-member this convention of "libapp-" prefix is very strange. but that's how it is :)
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14:57<boodie>I think I managed the nopaste thing ...
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14:58<bremner>SynrG: agreed, but not worth renaming thousands of packages IMHO
14:58<SynrG>boodie: ok. all that looks very normal to me.
14:59<SynrG>so i think next we want to see wherever gdm3 keeps its log
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14:59<SynrG>boodie: it messes up on the greeter?
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15:01<boodie>No, before gdm3 was launched on startup ... now I found myself in the terminal. When I give the command "startx", the gnome screen appears but then freezes
15:01<SynrG>"I found myself in the terminal" meaning the boot doesn't complete normally?
15:02<SynrG>it drops into maintenance mode?
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15:02<SynrG>then this isn't necessarily even an X problem
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15:02<SynrG>did it say anything about unchecked filesystems?
15:02<boodie>When I knock it down with <Alt-prtscr-K> a black screen appears with the mouse cursor and I can only reboot
15:03<SynrG>i would say your next step is *not* to try startx ...
15:03<SynrG>but rather to investigate at that terminal what went wrong
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15:03<SynrG>did it drop you immediately into a shell or just bring you to a login prompt?
15:03<boodie>SynrG: no, if I start it, it does all the initial startup, but doesn' start gdm3
15:03<boodie>login prompt
15:04<SynrG>are there errors displayed when it gets to the place where it's supposed to start gdm3?
15:04<SynrG>is a current /var/log/gdm3/:0-greeter.log produced?
15:05<boodie>I have to see, I don't really know
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15:05<SynrG>so, what i suspect is some corruption of some necessary data structure(s) in /var
15:05<SynrG>but which, and how ... i have no idea.
15:06<SynrG>hoping we can find something whining about it in some log
15:06<SynrG>i would not try startx like that without first trying sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
15:06<SynrG>did you do that step first?
15:09<boodie>Here's that log :
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15:10<boodie>Should I try to stop gdm3?
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15:15<boodie>So, I tried to stop gdm3. Stopped. Tried startx, the same thing happens.
15:15<SynrG>did you confirm the gdm3 process actually goes away?
15:15<SynrG>it might be half-dead and not truly stoppable ...
15:16<SynrG>given the error in this log, it does look pretty messed up
15:16<esseh>when I mount the root partition using the installation CD in Rescue mode, and type dmesg are those messages from the CD's OS or from the last time I tried to boot off the hard drive?
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15:16<boodie>Yes, it does (so it says). Gnome theme appears, frozen ...
15:16<SynrG>i would try purging gdm3 and reinstalling
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15:16<boodie>the other screen (Alt-F2) is frozen ...
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15:17<boodie>Purge with apt-get?
15:17<SynrG>boodie: obviously you need to get the system back to an unfrozen state before trying anything else.
15:17<boodie>reboot then
15:17<SynrG>i would 1. try to stop gdm3 2. see if gdm3 is still alive after attempting stop ...
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15:17<SynrG>3. if it is, kill it manually
15:17<boodie>Hmmm ... how? With top?
15:17<SynrG>4. try a complete reinstall of gdm3. this may be tricky due to dependencies
15:18<boodie>Indeed gnome-core will be broken
15:18<SynrG>boodie: pgrep -l gdm3
15:18<SynrG>you might manage apt-get install --reinstall gdm3
15:18<SynrG>but that might assume the data structure in /var is ok ...
15:19<SynrG>which is why i would favour a purge.
15:19<SynrG>you could use dpkg and --force-*
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15:19<SynrG>it will temporarily break the package deps
15:19<SynrG>which you can then fix again afterwards.
15:20<SynrG>not sure which of the force options we need, off the top of my head. check dpkg man page
15:20<boodie>Ok. now gdm3 should be down. pgrep -l gdm3
15:20<boodie>didn't show anything
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15:21<SynrG>ah. dpkg --force-help
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15:21<SynrG>so, dpkg --purge --force-depends gdm3 && apt-get install gdm3
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15:22<SynrG>this is an option you should only use in direst emergencies
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15:24<boodie>SynrG: Any preventative measure to avoid havoc?
15:24<esseh>well, /var/log/dmesg just has "(Nothing has been logged yet.)", so that's no help
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15:26<SynrG>boodie: just what we're doing. it's safe to use because we do it back-to-back with another command to install the purged package.
15:27<SynrG>also, we know that purging this package won't wreck anything. it's a dep because a metapackage wants it, not because something else really needs it for proper operation of the system.
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15:27<boodie>I have to reboot
15:28<boodie>it's out of control
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15:32<boodie>Hi: I'm back ... I had to reboot, the screen was filled with messages like "Cannot set the frequency to 16000 (x86)" or something, and it wouldn't stop
15:32<boodie>SynrG: sorry again, what's the command to purge & reinstall gdm3?
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15:33<SynrG>boodie: unplug your webcam?
15:33<SynrG>dpkg --purge --force-depends gdm3 && apt-get install gdm3
15:33*dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up --force-depends gdm3 && apt-get install gdm3 all over synrg and nocturnal...
15:33<boodie>ok I'll try
15:33<ewerton>Hotot and turpial not connect on debian
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15:36<boodie>ok, unplugged
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15:36<SynrG>boodie: when this is all over, you can look up that error message which is likely caused by the webcam
15:36<esseh>should I install bootlogd to get more info about what is going wrong?
15:37<boodie>Hmmm, ok
15:37<Moritz>I tried creating a kegen on serv1 and send it to server2 using "ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/" but when it says that it's done and asks me to test by entering "" then it still asks för my password.
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15:38<Moritz>I meant tested it by running "ssh '".
15:38<Moritz>I did not add a phrasepass.
15:38<SynrG>esseh: what are you trying to accomplish? when you type 'dmesg' it's the messages from the kernel of the rescue system.
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15:39<esseh>ahh... I am trying to discover why the startup sequence of my new installation is hanging
15:39<SynrG>boodie: so, did you try stopping gdm3, purging and reinstalling it yet?
15:39<boodie>One question ... by using gdm3, I necessarily run gnome somehow to produce the login form, if I used kdm, the same would happen with kde ...
15:40<boodie>No, sorry, what's the command again?
15:40<SynrG>/etc/init.d/gdm3 stop (and pgrep -l gdm3) ...
15:40<SynrG>and then: dpkg --purge --force-depends gdm3 && apt-get install gdm3
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15:43<boodie>Ok. Done. It says gnome-core has unsatisfied dependencies ...
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15:44<SynrG>yes. that's expected
15:44<SynrG>however, we satisfy the dep again with the reinstall
15:44<SynrG>assuming that went well, we try again with: /etc/init.d/gdm3 start
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15:45<bremner>ewerton: you'll need to give more information. where did you install the software from? what kind of error messages or symptoms are you getting?
15:46<ewerton>synaptic, don't errors
15:46<ewerton>only not connect
15:46<SynrG>esseh: at what point does it hang. what's the last message you see?
15:46<SynrG>if you can't collect information from logs, maybe a photo?
15:47<esseh>the last message I see is "[drm] Cannot find any crtc or sizes - going 1024x768"
15:47<esseh>that's if I don't connect a monitor to the second video card
15:47<bremner>ewerton: I guess you are seeing
15:47<bremner>(for turpial)
15:48<esseh>if I do connect a monitor, then I see some info about the video cards, so I was thinking that that is a red herring
15:48<esseh>(and it still hangs)
15:48<SynrG>esseh: but it's conceivable it is a graphics driver issue
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15:48<SynrG>what graphics card do you have?
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15:49<esseh>radeon x1600
15:49<SynrG>from the rescue system lspci -nn |grep -i vga
15:49<SynrG>and paste the pciid (the [####,####] at the very end)
15:50<SynrG>boodie: ?
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15:50<SynrG>boodie: gdm3 start not successful?
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15:51<esseh>There are two, [Radeon X1600] [1002, 71c2] is the card I am using
15:51<SynrG>boodie: if not, we need to see /var/log/gdm3/:0-greeter.log again
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15:51<SynrG>esseh: ah, so this may be the problem. immature support in wheezy for hybrid graphics card systems :p
15:52<SynrG>,pciid [1002,71c2]
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15:52<boodie__>SynrG: Hi, it's me ... many thanks X is back!!! Now, to give a good sorting out of packages and fix whatever is fixable, what do I do?
15:52<SynrG>,pciid [1002,71C2]
15:52<boodie__>Thanks a lot
15:52<SynrG>,pciid [1002L71C2]
15:52<SynrG>bleah, typos galore
15:52<SynrG>,pciid [1002:71C2]
15:52<judd>[1002:71c2] is 'RV530 [Radeon X1600 PRO]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
15:53<SynrG>boodie__: super. ...
15:53<boodie__>Many many thanx
15:53<SynrG>well, pay close attention to any and all logs ...
15:53<SynrG>anything with errors mentioning /var needs attention
15:53<SynrG>with luck, it was just the one package.
15:54<boodie__>How do I polish apt, anyway?
15:54<SynrG>esseh: is that really a hybrid system, or just a system with two gfx cards in it?
15:55<boodie__>I think I have 2-3 more packages unopened, less crucial than gdm3
15:55<SynrG>that card looks old-ish. probably not hybrid, then.
15:55<SynrG>but may need firmware
15:55<esseh>I did already add linux non-free
15:56<esseh>to take care of an earlier freeze when loading the firmware
15:56<esseh>so I thought that took care of it
15:56<SynrG>so you installed firmware-linux-nonfree then?
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15:57<esseh>and that got rid of the "*ERROR* failed to load firmware!" message
15:57<SynrG>was the system booting ok at that point?
15:57<SynrG>so, froze in the same way, then
15:57<esseh>it's a fresh install, and has never succesfully booted
15:58<SynrG>k. can you try it with the other graphics card?
15:58<esseh>yeah, only before that error message was the last message
15:58<SynrG>at least then we know if it truly is the graphics card
15:58<esseh>maybe... do I only need to set the video card to use in the BIOS?
15:59<SynrG>yes. probably. integrated intel?
15:59<SynrG>you've done no customization of the video driver in your xorg configuration?
15:59<esseh>well, I suppose I actually have three, I have integrated intel and a PCI Radeon
15:59<SynrG>if xorg is simply autodetecting, switching it in the BIOS is perfect
16:02<Moritz>What's the crontab code for weekly? According to rsnapshot, "30 23 * * * " is daily.
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16:03<Moritz>I have no idea how it's structured.
16:05<SynrG>30 minutes past the hour, the 23rd hour, every day ...
16:05<SynrG>man 5 crontab
16:06<SynrG>look at the examples
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16:07<esseh>well, that's different... I couldn't seem to get the onboard video to work, so I tried the PCI video card
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16:08<esseh>if I had a monitor plugged into the AGP video card as well, then it just switched over to that one mid-startup
16:08<esseh>(and hung)
16:08<SynrG>maybe your BIOS has ... issues
16:09<esseh>if I unplug it then I get a flashing screen of garbled text
16:09<esseh>it is a pretty old motherboard, I suppose
16:09<SynrG>so intel then is the sole card plugged in?
16:09<SynrG>it is the sole video adapter 'plugged' in? :)
16:09<esseh>umm... no there's intel onboard, an AGP Radeon card, and a PCI Radeon card
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16:10<SynrG>maybe unplug both cards?
16:10<esseh>yeah, ok...
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16:13<esseh>oh that's right, I do remember that if there is an AGP card then, then I think the motherboard automatically disables the on-board video... this will take a couple of minutes
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16:19<SynrG>esseh: ok. i have to go out for errands ...
16:19<SynrG>esseh: with luck, someone here can pick up where we left off. good luck
16:20<esseh>thanks for getting me started
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16:43<brunoramos>Hello, I'm trying to install debian on a system that is having problems reading the installation CD. I'm already inside the installer but the "load installer components from CD" steps cannot read everything that is needed, I have an usb disk with the same version f the installer that I'm able to mount inside a shell started from the installer loaded from the CD. Is there any way to continue the installation from the usb disk instead of the cdrom?
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16:44<Gully>you should try
16:44<Gully>a hirens boot cd
16:44<Gully>or any other live cd with PLOP BOOT MANAGER
16:45<Gully>the plop boot manager allows you to boot from usb and you can install debian cd on usb via unetbootin for example
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16:45<Gully>also with Universal-USB-Installer
16:47<brunoramos>Is this you are talking about?
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16:48<brunoramos>I'm currently taking a look at that, it seems to do what I need. Thank you Gully.
16:48<Gully>but i'm talking only about plop boot manager not about whole hirens boot cd
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16:49<Gully>you only need to run live cd with plol and start ssytem from usb
16:49<Gully>or maybe even your pc have a bios option to boot from usb pendrive
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16:50<brunoramos>it does not boot from USB, only floppy, CD, Hard Driver and PXE
16:50<brunoramos>I could try to set up a PXE, that should also be interesting, I never did it before
16:50<Gully>ok so run plop from cd it allows you tu chose run from usb
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17:00<esseh>ok, following SynrG's advice, I removed my Radeon video card from AGP and have successfully booted and started Gnome
17:01<esseh>running off of the on-board graphics
17:01<esseh>now, the obvious question, what can I do to make my Radeon video card work
17:01<esseh>it supposedly is compatible:
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17:02<Gully>intry this
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17:02<Gully>i;ve got amd card and read it and it should work
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17:03<chile_man>how are you
17:04<Gully>chilout_man :D
17:04<chile_man>did you watch pain & gain?
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17:05<chile_man>did you watch iron man
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17:06<esseh>thanks Gully, I'll give that a whirl later tonight
17:06<chile_man>will you answer me you fucking prick
17:06<chile_man>how old are you anyway??
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17:07<chile_man>11 and a half
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17:07<chile_man>what the fuck is going on
17:07<devil_>chile_man: this is a debian help channel
17:07<chile_man>who is tihs crazy man
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17:08<chile_man>I NEED A JOINT
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17:09<Glanzmann>Hello; I'm looking for a command that show me all packages which have a different version installed than available in the repository.
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17:12<Gully>um maybe it is just that simple as apt-get upgrade -u
17:13<Gully>wich will show you all packages ttah in the repo are newer and can be upgraded?
17:13<Glanzmann>I also want to identify packages which have a newer version installed than available.
17:13<devil_>Glanzmann: newer than available?
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17:14<Gully>yea it;s possible for example due to compiling from source
17:14<devil_>Glanzmann: if you have stable installed, apt-cache madison $(dpkg --get-selections) | grep testing should show all packages installed frrom testing
17:15<devil_>if that is what you are looking for
17:15<Glanzmann>I really want to compare packet numbers.
17:16<devil_>you might have to build a line with aptitude
17:16<Glanzmann>Yes, I tried that.
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17:17<Glanzmann>I want the fields aptitude -F '%p %V %v' but how can I print now all packages?
17:17<Glanzmann>or select them?
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17:17<devil_>no idea, I am an apt-person :)
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17:18<Gully>i've got a question: i cant mount cd's as a user only as a root
17:18<Glanzmann>Me, too.
17:18<Glanzmann>Gully: Yes. but there are userland utils which allow you to extract iso images content.
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17:22<Gully>Glanzmann this is not a clean solution
17:22<Gully>in ubuntu it is possbile how to make it work on debian
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17:46<niobium93>Can you guys help me install some packages?
17:47-!-devil [] has joined #debian
17:47<devil_>don't ask to ask
17:47<ompaul>please ask the full question and we can establish what if any help you can be given
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17:47<ompaul>please do it all on one line and hit enter once
17:47<niobium93>See I'm trying to install the trinity desktop enviroment into my debian testing setup
17:48<devil_>niobium93: as in kde 3.5?
17:48<niobium93>But I keep getting errors like The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:48<niobium93> ksim-trinity : Depends: libsnmp15 (>= 5.4.3~dfsg) which is a virtual package.
17:48<niobium93> khangman-trinity : Depends: ttf-dustin which is a virtual package.
17:48<niobium93>devil_, yes
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17:48<ompaul>,v libsnmp
17:48<judd>No package named 'libsnmp' was found in i386.
17:48<devil_>niobium93: well, I am not gonna help you ride dead horses :)
17:48<ompaul>,v libsnmp15
17:48<judd>Package: libsnmp15 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.4.3~dfsg-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.4.3~dfsg-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.4.3~dfsg-2.7
17:49<ompaul>so there you have it, beyond wheezy that package most likely has changed names
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17:49<niobium93>I found and installed libsnmp30
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17:49<ompaul>,v kde
17:49<judd>Package: kde on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66
17:49<niobium93>So is there any way to force it to install or should I recompile it?
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17:50<ompaul>,v kde4
17:50<judd>No package named 'kde4' was found in i386.
17:50<retrospectacus>!install kde
17:50<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install".
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17:51<Beny_hm>hola a todos desde mexico n_n
17:52<Beny_hm>Hello to all from mexico*
17:52<niobium93>I'll try compiling from source
17:53<ompaul>niobium93: why not kde4 - what you are doing is history and no longer supported you'd have to check if the apis were the same and you'd have to work out what was going on elsewhere I'm on Platform Version 4.10.5 the only concession I have to the past is that I run the "classic style" menu the old kde is without support
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17:53<niobium93>I just wanna test it out and see if its worth switching to
17:54<ompaul>switching back to somewhere between 6 and 8 years ago years ... Debian Wheezy Stable
17:54<ompaul>you can install it on wheezy
17:54<ompaul>at least you don't have to spend three weeks compiling it
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17:55<devil_>imhp kde 4.11 is the best thetre ever was
17:55<devil_>imho even
17:55*devil_ chases the cat from the desk
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18:26<SynrG>esseh: well, i wouldn't resort to catalyst, as one person had suggested. i suppose you've only tried the radeon driver, not fglrx?
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18:27<SynrG>esseh: also, i do wonder about having multiple radeon cards plugged in ... maybe the driver is confused?
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18:30<ethan>hey guys, i'm on debian 7.1 wheezy and everything is GREAT except for one problem...whenever I video chat someone on Skype, Skype just randomly crashes
18:30<ethan>can anyone tell me how to fix this?
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18:31<devil_>Sn4ckEye_Hacker_Indonesian: you nickname is too short :P
18:31<devil_>ethan: what version of skype?
18:32<ethan>crap...i think it was 4.2
18:32<ethan>i'm on Xubuntu now
18:32<ethan>yeah you know...i'll get back to you all later
18:32<ethan>my apologies
18:32<devil_>ethan: works flawless here
18:32<ethan>well that is strange
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18:32<devil_>ethan: i use it for hours every day atm
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18:33<ethan>i just went to debian's site and downloaded it using the instructions for the terminal
18:33<devil_>debians site?
18:33<ethan>as found here
18:33<ethan>or "wiki debian" rather
18:33<SynrG>ethan: yes, try google hangouts instead? i've been much happier since i switched.
18:34<SynrG>and it's widely available for numerous platforms
18:34<ethan>i mean it shouldn't even be an issue though
18:34<ethan>i don't want to have to switch to something just because it's buggy...i'd rather learn to fix the problem
18:34<SynrG>with non-free software you don't necessarily have that choice.
18:34<ethan>and that would mean i'd have to convert all my friends to use google plus and it's a whole thing and i'm so lazy
18:34<ethan>well i didn't have this problem on mint
18:35<SynrG>too bad. i think your friends would thank you
18:35<ethan>i mean i could always try
18:35<devil_>ethan: i have skype:386 on a 64-bit sytem with multiarch
18:35<ethan>well that's probably the one i had
18:35<ethan>because i had to enable Multi-Arch
18:36<ethan>to download it
18:36<Beny_hm>wheezy or jessie?
18:36<SynrG>there's also the matter of whether you would rather have google snooping your conversations or microsoft snooping them ;)
18:37<ethan>well idk i'll figure something out
18:37<ethan>i gotta go
18:37<ethan>nature calls
18:37<ethan>thanks guys
18:37<SynrG>or more specifically, microsoft helping NSA snoop
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19:20<abrotman>lamb: good to hear
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19:55<linuxnewbiew>i'm hoping someone is out there
19:55<linuxnewbiew>i'm having a heck of a time with my wireless network card
19:55<linuxnewbiew>i can see it with 'ifconfig'
19:56<linuxnewbiew>but as soon as i try to do dhclient doesn't look like it fails (no error messages) but i don't have an ip assigned to my wireless card
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20:06<sney>linuxnewbiew: what wireless card is it?
20:07<linuxnewbiew>Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6230
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20:08<sney>linuxnewbiew: install the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package from non-free. your nic should work after that
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20:11<linuxnewbiew>i did....before it didn't show up in 'ifconfig' which it does now but i just can't get it to connect to my router
20:11<linuxnewbiew>if i take the adapter down then back up
20:11<linuxnewbiew>i get
20:11<linuxnewbiew>Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.2.2
20:11<linuxnewbiew>Copyright 2004-2011 Internet Systems Consortium.
20:11<linuxnewbiew>All rights reserved.
20:11<linuxnewbiew>For info, please visit
20:11<linuxnewbiew>Listening on LPF/wlan0/88:53:2e:0a:e4:a2
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20:12<linuxnewbiew>ooops sorry for the flood
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20:39<esseh>well, I tried installing fglrx, following, only realizing after aticonfig couldn't find any relevant hardware, that my video card is on the too old list linked at the top
20:39<esseh>so I uninstalled it
20:40<esseh>following the uninstall directions there, which seemed to have the unintended consequence that the boot sequence gets much farther
20:40<esseh>in "recovery mode" I get to a prompt with the video card
20:40<musca>esseh: which card do you own?
20:41<esseh>Radeon X1600 pro
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20:41<sney>that won't even work with fglrx legacy. it's radeon or nothing
20:41<esseh>I figured that out
20:42<esseh>I am trying to get X working with the video card
20:43<sney>radeon requires firmware-linux-nonfree to have most of its features but otherwise it tends to autodetect painlessly. make sure there's no xorg.conf.
20:43<sney>or at least make sure it's not specifying graphics drivers
20:43<esseh>check and check
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20:43<sney>ok so what is the problem exactly
20:44<esseh>so this is a fresh debian install
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20:44<esseh>I can only complete the start up sequence and get into Gnome by using the onboard graphics
20:45<esseh>if I use the Radeon card
20:45<esseh>the monitor goes "no signal" and it seems to be frozen
20:45<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
20:46<sney>try the instructions there to disable it
20:46<sney>it sounds like kms is setting a mode your monitor doesn't support
20:46<esseh>ok, I'll give that a try
20:46<esseh>I tried "nomodeset" earlier, but it was hanging much earlier in the boot sequence then
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20:53<esseh>passing nomodeset to the kernel in GRUB didn't seem to make a difference, should I try editting radeon-kms.conf?
20:53<esseh>right now it reads "options radeon modeset=1"
20:53<esseh>I assume 0 turns it off?
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20:59<esseh>hot damn, that worked
20:59<esseh>for the record, there was also an flgrx.conf in modprobe.d blacklisting radeon, which I got rid of
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21:10<esseh>In the end, I don't actually know what the original problem was... somehow installing and uninstalling fglrx seems to have inadvertently fixed the problem when it would freeze much earlier in the startup sequence---maybe something got reconfigured or something missing got installed when I followed the fglrx removal directions
21:11<esseh>in any case, my sincere thanks
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21:24<SynrG>esseh: interesting. glad you got it sorted.
21:25<SynrG>frustrating to not be able to pin it on an exact cause, but ...
21:25<SynrG>hey, if it works. :)
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21:27<esseh>yeah, although now there are some new issues within gnome, which from some googling are probably related to the video card
21:27<esseh>specifically gnome-control-center doesn't start
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21:30<esseh>but, unless someone has something super-enlightening, I am going to call it a night and fight with linux more another day
21:31<lamb>Sleep well in advance
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21:40<A|an>Is there a config file for Redshift and if so, where is it?
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21:42<themill>A|an: "apropos redshift" seems to indicate so
21:44<A|an>To edit it, I wonder exactly where it is?
21:44<themill>the man page does say that
21:44<A|an>The thing is, I can start it at the CLI, but I have to leave the term open...
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21:48<A|an>I guess you have to create `/'s definitely not there presently
21:49<A|an>take that back
21:49<A|an>okay, thaknks...
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22:59<LittleGreenMartian>Will Debian run on a touchscreen laptop?
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23:01<sney>full function depends on the hardware, but if it's a laptop that lets you install other operating systems, debian will run.
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23:04<LittleGreenMartian>sney: Great, thanks!
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