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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-16

---Logopened Wed Oct 16 00:00:04 2013
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00:53<alejandro>hola
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00:56<Infiltrator>!ask
00:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:09<leonardo-gois>dssadas
01:09<leonardo-gois>daas
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01:10<leonardo-gois>cdscsdc
01:10<stderr>leonardo-gois: ?
01:10<Infiltrator>leonardo-gois: Please do not spam. If you have a question, ask it.
01:10<leonardo-gois>sda
01:12<leonardo-gois>sds
01:12<stderr>!br
01:12<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
01:12<leonardo-gois>ds
01:13<stderr>leonardo-gois: Please remove your cat from your keyboard.
01:13<leonardo-gois>oi
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01:14<leonardo-gois>oi
01:14<Infiltrator>!ops leonardo-gois
01:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: infiltrator complains about: leonardo-gois
01:15<leonardo-gois>oi
01:15-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
01:15<leonardo-gois>oi
01:16-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@201-78-111-5.user.veloxzone.com.br] by mentor
01:16-!-leonardo-gois was kicked from #debian by mentor [leonardo-gois]
01:16-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
01:16<Infiltrator>mentor: Thank you.
01:16<mentor>np
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02:55<uapv1102494>test
02:55<diacraft>Your test worked
02:55<uapv1102494>thx
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03:51<seeS>hi, im trying to partition my disks with cfdisk and i built the partitions but then when i go back into it it says "unknown partition table type"
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04:20<bluewater>seeS: after partitioning you need to format them
04:20<seeS>yes but they dont appear
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04:21<dario^CIP>does anyone know about whom to contact for the unofficial google chrome deb repository?
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04:23<sonk3y>dario^CIP: your not talking about http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ I take it?
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04:24<stdspace>seeS: They don't appear where?
04:24<seeS>in cfdisk
04:24<seeS>so you make them in cfdisk
04:24<seeS>save them
04:24<seeS>go back into cfdisk
04:24<seeS>not there
04:25<bhuddah>did you reboot or rescan?
04:25<stdspace>seeS: Bad disk? Anything in any of the logs?
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04:31<bluewater>seeS: try using fdisk -l and see if the partitions are there ,, blkid also may help ,,,as an example to format <mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sdb1>: however if you are having trouble getting your head around the cli download the gparted live.iso, and use that,,, the same principles apply first partition and then format
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04:36<jm_>did you verify if it really wrote them (i.e. using say fdisk)?
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04:50<seeS>thnkas i will
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04:58<ljsoftnet>how do i use xfce generic monitor?
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05:39<neofita>dee
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05:39<sandman>Hello
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05:41<neofita>ciao
05:42<neofita>hi
05:43<seeS>is there some limit on partition sizes?
05:44<seeS>i got some 3TB disks and getting odd results
05:44<sonk3y>seeS: how are you connecting the disk to the system?
05:44<seeS>sata
05:45<sonk3y>not sure then some USB stuff has 2Tb limit
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05:47<sandman>seeS : What are u trying to do exactly ?
05:47<sandman>Maybe it can help
05:47<seeS>got the debian installer
05:47<seeS>trying to make most of the 3TB disks into a raid array
05:48<seeS>but when i go into the raid making bit i get /dev/sda1 12344GB and then a few lines down 123444GB (showing no disk name)
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05:50<sandman>not sure but you probably need to prepare the hd for a software raid ?
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05:53<jm_>seeS: you'll want to use GPT on 3T disks
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05:54<seeS>does the instasller use gpt?
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05:56<jm_>i don't know - i haven't needed to use the installer for a long time
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05:59<aborrero>hi there
05:59<jm_>it says partman is used, which uses parted, so it should handle GPT
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06:01<seeS>yay
06:03<seeS>odd sdc keeps saying changes need have happened
06:03<seeS>bah, illl try it later
06:03<jm_>does it come with built in text-to-speech engine?
06:04<seeS>must do :p
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06:04<seeS>i gave up, ill partition the other bits later
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06:16<seeS>odd, it seems it keeps "forgetting" the partition table
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06:42<XReaper>There a way i can tell dpkg to go screw itself and not start everything i install by default?
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06:46<jm_>you mean daemons?
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07:05<skee>is there any way to syntax check or "lint" /etc/network/interfaces without restarting networking / rebooting? something like /etc/init.d/networking configtest
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07:16<Iridos>skee, don't think so
07:18<Iridos>skee, I guess "ifup --no-act" could do part of this... in theory at least
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07:18<Iridos>or possibly ifup --list
07:18<Stummi>ifquery -l
07:18<Stummi>could be one way
07:19<Iridos>heh, was just going to say or something involving ifquery
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08:28<paoloniger>ciao
08:28<paoloniger>!list
08:28<dpkg>paoloniger: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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08:34<skee>Iridos, Stummi, thanks for the hint, i'll take a look
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09:08<taleon>hi
09:08<Maulkin>!ask
09:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:09<kekko>ciaoooo
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11:09<kekko>!list
11:09<dpkg>kekko: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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11:10<kekko>irc://irc.darksin.it/licantropo
11:10<kekko>ciaoooo
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11:10<kekko>irc://irc.darksin.it/licantropo
11:10<stderr>kekko: We don't care...
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11:28<giuseppe>hi all
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11:30<Maulkin>!ask
11:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:32<giuseppe>i have problem downloading tasksel and tsksel-data
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11:36<dualbus>giuseppe: can you give more details?
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11:57<linaro>hello
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11:58<houms>i am installing deb testing on new laptop and had a question about sources.list
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11:59<houms>by default the srouces.list have the main rep, sec repo, updates (formerly known as volatile), and backports
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12:00<houms>can i convert all of these to testing instead of jessie? i know they will diverge at some point but i want to stay on testing
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12:00<houms>secondly I would like to know if contirb and non-free should be added to all of them ? iassume for example there is no contrib non-free for security but i could be wrong
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12:02<retrospectacus>houms: TIAS
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12:04<retrospectacus>and yes, you can track "testing" instead of jessie if you really want to... it's just a bad idea
12:04<houms>retrospectacus not sure i understand sorry
12:05<wompa>"Try it and see"
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12:05<houms>lol thanks duh.. well i did and adding contrib non-free to all four sections is fine
12:06<houms>except if i change it from jessie to testing
12:06<wompa>what's the output?
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12:10<houms>fails on testing-backports main, contrib and non-free
12:10<houms>basically 404
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12:11<retrospectacus>there is no such thing as testing-backports
12:12<wompa>backports are mostly compiled from the testing branch, so no need to backport to testing
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12:14<houms>but jessie-backports exists correct?
12:14<houms>i mean conceptually they are the same?
12:14<retrospectacus>jessie-backports does exist
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12:15<houms>so i can leave all of it testing and just change backports to jessie?
12:15<houms>or is wompa suggesting disabling backports all together
12:15<houms>?
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12:16<houms>the deb wiki says kde-core is the package but no such packge exists
12:17<retrospectacus>houms: if you *really* plan to stick on "testing" and never run stable, then no, you will never have any backports available
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12:18<retrospectacus>(jessie-backports is empty, until jessie is stable, afaict)
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12:18<retrospectacus>not sure what you're talking about now with kde-core
12:18<houms>sorry that was for debian-kde channel
12:19<houms>yes that is my plan, so just move everything in sources.list to testing and then comment out the backports.
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12:21<wompa>houms, if you mean the article KdeDebInstall it says the information is outdated
12:21<houms>i know it is but i cannot find another document that is debian
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12:24<houms>i guess i will just install kde-plasma-desktop
12:25<houms>thanks for your assitance wompa and retro
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12:36<giuseppe>hi all
12:36<giuseppe>i am having trouble while updating tasksel and tasksel-data
12:37<dualbus>giuseppe: uh... you again? you didn't give details previously
12:37<giuseppe>is there anyboby help me?
12:37<giuseppe>okok
12:37<giuseppe>sorry
12:37<giuseppe>well
12:37<giuseppe>update manager want to update tasksel from 2.88 to 3.14.1
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12:38<giuseppe>but it cant connct to the site for download
12:38<giuseppe>my debian is wheezy amd64
12:38<babilen>dpkg: tell giuseppe -about bat
12:39<retrospectacus>giuseppe: in a terminal as root run "apt-get update; apt-get install tasksel"
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12:39<babilen>giuseppe: Please also show us your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and please do not install anything (for now).
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12:40<babilen>giuseppe: For extra points include the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" and "uname -a" too (paste it all to http://paste.debian.net )
12:41<giuseppe>this is my /etc/apt/sourceces.list
12:41<giuseppe>#
12:41<giuseppe>deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
12:41<giuseppe>deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
12:41<giuseppe># wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
12:41<giuseppe>deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates contrib non-free main
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12:41<mtn>reading is hard
12:42<dualbus>Language barrier is too, I guess.
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12:42<retrospectacus>giuseppe: http://paste.debian.net
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12:44<giuseppe>sorry
12:44<giuseppe> i was get off by the system
12:44<giuseppe>ok
12:46<giuseppe>I pate my sources.list
12:47<retrospectacus>giuseppe: tell us the URL, and paste the other things we've requested.
12:47<babilen>giuseppe: Please include "apt-cache policy tasksel" and the other commands I mentioned earlier too :) (well, their output)
12:49<giuseppe>now i have sent my policy file
12:49<retrospectacus>giuseppe: you should tell us the url(s)
12:49<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58427/
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12:52<EMS>!list
12:52<dpkg>ems: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
12:52<EMS>?
12:52<giuseppe>my url:
12:53<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58428/
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12:53<retrospectacus>giuseppe: you don't need to make a new page for every commnad - simply run all the commands we gave you, then copy and paste the whole terminal to a new paste
12:54<heider>test
12:54<retrospectacus>heider: yes, you are online
12:54<giuseppe>ah
12:54<giuseppe> ok
12:55<heider>Just trying out irssi for the first time :)
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12:57<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58429/
12:58<giuseppe>ok
12:58<giuseppe>tank you all
12:58<giuseppe>i'm noob wherever i go!
12:59<retrospectacus>giuseppe: "apt-cache policy tasksel"
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13:02<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58431/
13:03<retrospectacus>giuseppe: you have squeeze version. Did you upgrade from squeeze? (successfully? how did it go?)
13:03<ljsoftnet>how can i get a list of all my partition?
13:04<retrospectacus>ljsoftnet: fdisk -l
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13:04<giuseppe>Versione 7.2 (wheezy) 64 bit
13:04<retrospectacus>giuseppe: yes, we saw that in the pastes. And my question?
13:04<giuseppe>this is what i see in my system monitor
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13:05<giuseppe>i guess i updated from squeezy correctly
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13:06<retrospectacus>giuseppe: it's "squeeze" and no, you didn't - you still have squeeze-level software.
13:06<giuseppe>ahhh
13:06<retrospectacus>giuseppe: please run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and choose "no" to cancel the upgrade. Then pastebin that
13:06<SkyRamen>hey there, can someone help me to compile php5 from apt-get source with readline support on debian 7 x64? always running into "readline library not found" even if i installed the libreadline-dev package
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13:08<giuseppe>what did you mean pastebinthat
13:08<dualbus>giuseppe: to paste it at paste.debian.net
13:08<retrospectacus>giuseppe: copy and paste the output onto http://paste.debian.net/ and tell us the URL
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13:09<giuseppe>where i paste it?
13:09<giuseppe>here or in paste.debian?
13:09<giuseppe>ok
13:09<giuseppe>ok
13:09<retrospectacus>giuseppe: never here
13:09<retrospectacus>you will get kicked if you do
13:09<giuseppe>so every time to a newpaste.debian?
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13:10<retrospectacus>yes...
13:10<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58435/
13:11<mgv>dpkg: tell giuseppe about localized errors
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13:12<retrospectacus>giuseppe: ok, now do it again and press y to perform the upgrade
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13:12<giuseppe>processing...
13:13<giuseppe>it is waiting for the header but nothing appens
13:14<giuseppe>0%
13:14<retrospectacus>giuseppe: wait until is finishes, then make a new paste
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13:16<ljsoftnet>retrospectacus dude what do i set xfce-diskperf to point for hard disk activity?
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13:19<retrospectacus>ljsoftnet: no idea... a hard disk?
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13:20<ljsoftnet>retrospectacus yeah, dont know where to set /dev/sda or /dev/sda1
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13:20<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58445/
13:21<giuseppe>i get errors
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13:21<retrospectacus>giuseppe: your italian debian source server seems to be offline. Try using a swiss or french or german one
13:22<retrospectacus>giuseppe: it appears online from here.
13:22<giuseppe>have i to put ch prefix in sources.list?
13:23<ljsoftnet>retrospectacus dude nevermind i solve my problem
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13:23<retrospectacus>giuseppe: you can try it. Are you sure you're online? can you try: for cc in ch fr de it; do ping -c1 ftp.$cc.debian.org ; done
13:24<giuseppe>i'm on line!
13:24<giuseppe>i'm speaking with you!
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13:25<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58451/
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13:27<retrospectacus>giuseppe: can you open this page successfully with your web browser? http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tasksel/
13:27<retrospectacus>ljsoftnet: great
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13:28<giuseppe>no
13:28<giuseppe>no response
13:28<retrospectacus>giuseppe: how about with a different country code than it
13:28<retrospectacus>de or ch or fr
13:29<giuseppe>this is a change i tried same days ago with no result
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13:29<giuseppe>if you want, i can try it again
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13:30<giuseppe>i tried it with uk
13:30<giuseppe>have i to changr the prefix in the sources.list?
13:31<retrospectacus>giuseppe: no, just in the URL in the web browser
13:31<retrospectacus>for now
13:31<giuseppe>ok
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13:31<retrospectacus>if that don't work, how about http://mirror.mirohost.net/debian/pool/main/t/tasksel/
13:31<retrospectacus>giuseppe: can you access *any* webpages?
13:33<giuseppe>i have the same result in fr, ch, de
13:33<giuseppe>what did you mean *any*
13:33<giuseppe>???
13:34<retrospectacus>press the any key
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13:34<retrospectacus>giuseppe: general websites
13:35<retrospectacus>giuseppe: youtube. gmail. http://www.oftc.net
13:35<giuseppe>i can access almost everything but ftp.*.debian.org
13:36<retrospectacus>giuseppe: and the "mirohost" site I mentioned?
13:36<retrospectacus>giuseppe: do you have any idea why that might be?
13:36<giuseppe>the proof is that i can post the results of my terminal
13:36<giuseppe>no idea
13:36<giuseppe>mirohost?
13:37<retrospectacus>10:31 < retrospectacus> if that don't work, how about http://mirror.mirohost.net/debian/pool/main/t/tasksel/
13:37<giuseppe>i try it now
13:37<giuseppe>nothing from mirohost
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13:38<giuseppe>it's incredible!
13:38<retrospectacus>indeed
13:38<melmothX>maybe your isp is filtering you?
13:39<melmothX>what about putting 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf and retry?
13:39<giuseppe>i have already 8.8.8.8
13:39<petn-randall>Maybe google is filtering you?
13:39<retrospectacus>melmothX: pings worked
13:40<giuseppe># Generated by NetworkManager
13:40<giuseppe>nameserver 8.8.8.8
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13:40<retrospectacus>http://paste.debian.net/58451/
13:41<giuseppe>oopps
13:42<babilen>retrospectacus: Oh, what are you doing?
13:42<babilen>s/you/you and giuseppe/
13:42<retrospectacus>babilen: trying to get giuseppe's upgrade to work.
13:42<retrospectacus>http://paste.debian.net/58445/
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13:43<retrospectacus>babilen: he's online, can access most sites, but HTTP to debian mirrors fails (time out)
13:43<giuseppe>tank to babilen to join my problem
13:43<babilen>Ah, would http.debian.net work?
13:44<babilen>I do like to be given tanks, yes :)
13:44<giuseppe>babilen: yes
13:44<giuseppe>it works
13:44<babilen>yay?
13:44<retrospectacus>well.. it might, depending what server is chosen?
13:44<retrospectacus>I got http://deb.vanvps.com/debian/pool/main/t/
13:44<giuseppe>http.debian.net works
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13:45<babilen>great
13:45<babilen>Well, that was easy (and quite a lucky guess). Would still be interesting to know what causes the other mirrors (which ones?) to timeout, but meh :)
13:45<giuseppe>in http://deb.vanvps.com/debian/pool/main/t/ i see the index list
13:46<retrospectacus>giuseppe: ok, well change your servers in sources.list to http.debian.net/debian (or perhaps to deb.vanvps.com/debian )
13:46<giuseppe>i try it
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13:47<babilen>giuseppe: Just to make sure: You use a sources.list like http://paste.debian.net/58464/ now and you can successfully run "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
13:47<babilen>Ah, that's a no :)
13:47<retrospectacus>security.debian.org might fail
13:47<babilen>yeah
13:48<giuseppe>no
13:49<giuseppe>babilen: i use it and have error
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13:49<babilen>Show us please.
13:49<giuseppe>what
13:49<giuseppe>?
13:49<babilen>Run "LANG=C apt-get update" and "LANG=C apt-get dist-upgrade" and show us the output on http://paste.debian.net
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13:50<babilen>err, should have been "LC_ALL=C", but this might work.
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13:51<retrospectacus>perhaps using ftp:// would be a working solution
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13:52<babilen>I was thinking about different transports earlier (like ftp and https), but then giuseppe said "it works". unfortunately we would have to have apt-transports-https installed for the latter, but ftp is definitely worth a try
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13:54<giuseppe>retrospectatus, babilen be patient
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13:54<giuseppe>it is waiting for timeout
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13:55<retrospectacus>we are very patient
13:55<giuseppe>here it is
13:55<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58466/
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13:56<xavious>Hello, looking for a little help getting Netflix to run. I had it installed, however, it would never start.
13:56<babilen>giuseppe: You use ftp.it.debian.org there and not http.debian.net
13:56<giuseppe>indeeeeeeeeeed
13:56<babilen>retrospectacus: did you try mirrors of other countries (e.g. ftp.de. or ftp.ch. ) already?
13:56<giuseppe>ok
13:57<giuseppe>i misunderstand!
13:57<giuseppe>i try it now
13:57<retrospectacus>babilen: he tryed browsing them with the web browser and failed
13:57<giuseppe>babile: yes
13:57<giuseppe>i tried with uk
13:57<giuseppe>same response
13:57<retrospectacus>and says he tried .uk before in s.l and it failed too
13:58<babilen>okay :)
13:58<retrospectacus>xavious: netflix is not in debian. What version of debian do you have?
13:59<retrospectacus>http://mirror.mirohost.net/debian/pool/main/t/tasksel/ also failed
13:59<xavious>Oh hell...wasn't paying attention -_-
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14:00<retrospectacus>babilen: but clearly he can use paste.debian.net
14:00<retrospectacus>giuseppe: you should complain to your ISP, realistically
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14:00<giuseppe>have a look to see if i'm right
14:00<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58468/
14:01<retrospectacus>giuseppe: no
14:01<retrospectacus>giuseppe: babilen showed you what that file should look like
14:02<retrospectacus>http://paste.debian.net/58464/
14:02<giuseppe>retrospectacus:ISP? why?
14:02<retrospectacus>giuseppe: they are blocking your connections. Ask them why
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14:06<giuseppe>ok i change my ISP asap
14:06<bach></window 7
14:06<bach>oops, sorry.
14:07<retrospectacus>giuseppe: ...I didn't say that
14:07<retrospectacus>giuseppe: we are waiting for you to try the solutions we've given you
14:07<giuseppe>it is in progress
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14:09<giuseppe>it seems is is the same
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14:09<retrospectacus>giuseppe: show us
14:09<giuseppe>it is waiting for the 2nd t.o.
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14:10<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58476/
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14:12<retrospectacus>damn
14:12<blast007>so it can get the package lists from the mirrors, but not the actual packages?
14:13<retrospectacus>giuseppe: can you try this URL in your web browser: ftp://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/
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14:13<retrospectacus>blast007: seems to depend on the mirror.
14:14<giuseppe>retrospecacus:i try it it works; isee dir list
14:14<retrospectacus>giuseppe: you could try running "LANG=C apt-get dist-upgrade" over and over until it works, perhaps
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14:16<babilen>Lets try ftp!
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14:16*babilen will prepare a suitable sources.list
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14:17<retrospectacus>I got it
14:17<retrospectacus>http://paste.debian.net/58481/
14:18<retrospectacus>not sure if security does ftp. seems kind of ironic :P
14:18<giuseppe>eheheh
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14:20<babilen>retrospectacus: There are some specific italian mirrors that contain security which should be easily configurable with ftp
14:21<retrospectacus>ok
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14:24<giuseppe>it is going on...but security seems not work
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14:24<retrospectacus>giuseppe: ignore that for now; I think babilen has a solution
14:25<retrospectacus>giuseppe: tasksel upgrade should work
14:26<giuseppe>maybe IT WORKS!
14:26<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58483/
14:27<retrospectacus>yes, it worked.
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14:27<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate giuseppe
14:27<dpkg>Huzzah giuseppe, you did it!
14:27<giuseppe>there are erros between lines 116 and 142
14:27<giuseppe>but but it works!
14:28<giuseppe>retrospectatus: did you see my last past?
14:28<retrospectacus>I'm really not sure what those errors are saying
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14:28<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58483/
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14:29<babilen>YES!
14:29<babilen>giuseppe: Okay, we obviously have to get security upgrades running too, but you should speak to your ISP as this filtering is unacceptable.
14:29<babilen>one second
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14:30<babilen>giuseppe: Can you open ftp://debian.dynamica.it/debian-security/ ?
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14:30<giuseppe>babilen: are you reasonably sure it is a ISP filter?
14:31<giuseppe>babilen: yes dynamica list of dirs
14:32<babilen>giuseppe: No, I am not sure but *something* prevents you from downloading those files via http.
14:32<giuseppe>if it depends on my ISP i mi incazzo with them!
14:33<giuseppe>*mi incazzo* italian dirty slang
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14:34<giuseppe>how can i indagate what is *something*?
14:34<babilen>giuseppe: Okay, great. Could you give http://paste.debian.net/58488/ a try?
14:34<babilen>giuseppe: cazzo dio!
14:34<giuseppe>ok tanks
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14:34<giuseppe>babilen too blasfeme!
14:35<giuseppe>i'm catholic
14:35<babilen>giuseppe: And it is "thanks" not "tanks" by the way. tanks would be "Carro armato" or so
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14:37<giuseppe>babilen ok Thanks thousand
14:38<giuseppe>billion thanks
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14:38<giuseppe>i know but i mispelled it
14:38<babilen>giuseppe: So, does the new sources.list work for you?
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14:39<giuseppe>my english teacher is disgusted
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14:39<giuseppe>YES YEES
14:39<giuseppe> it works
14:39<giuseppe>http://paste.debian.net/58490/
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14:39<retrospectacus>huzzah
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14:40<giuseppe>grazie a retrospectacus e a babilen
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14:41<babilen>Oh yeah :)
14:41<babilen>Still, this shouldn't be necessary.
14:42<giuseppe>i will write rewards to both you on all my site
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14:42<retrospectacus>haha
14:42<retrospectacus>giuseppe: really though, complain or get an explanation from your ISP
14:43<giuseppe>i'm already in touch via phone with them
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14:43<giuseppe>but they can't say me nothing
14:43<giuseppe>for now
14:43<retrospectacus>say "I can't browse http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/pool/ ,,,why not??"
14:44<giuseppe>yes yes
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14:46<giuseppe>it is incredible
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14:47<giuseppe>retrospectacus: i try now it and...i see t
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14:48<retrospectacus>and the other countries too? Perhaps they fixed it
14:48<giuseppe>yes i see ch fr de
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14:49<giuseppe>maybe the upgrade puts all in the right place
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14:50<retrospectacus>no; you only upgraded tasksel which is absolutely unrelated minor package
14:50<giuseppe>i'm very happy
14:50<giuseppe>yes you are right...but now i see it
14:51<giuseppe>while in the la two months i never was able to download
14:51<retrospectacus>giuseppe: probably your ISP changed their setting
14:51<giuseppe>ahhhh
14:52<giuseppe>but they never will tell me that!
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14:53<megadeath>how to change the wheezy to testing?
14:53<retrospectacus>probably not; then you would want to know why, and they have no good reason
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14:54<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell megadeath about testing
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15:25<gnsync>hi all
15:26<gnsync>i'm having trouble with dropbox
15:26<gnsync>under debian
15:26<gnsync>any help?
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15:26<mgv>dpkg: tell gnsync about ask
15:27<daemonkeeper>That being said, Dropbox is a proprietary, external package which is not supported in here.
15:27<gnsync>dropbox is continuosly in sync state
15:28<gnsync>ah ok
15:28<gnsync>sorry
15:28<gnsync>bye
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15:39<otherflow>hi folk, does someone know Linux-PAM version on debian wheezy ?
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15:41<ompaul>,v libpam0g
15:41<judd>Package: libpam0g on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.1-6.1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.1.1-6.1+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.1.3-7.1; jessie: 1.1.3-9; sid: 1.1.3-9
15:41<ompaul>otherflow: ^^
15:42<otherflow>:), ty
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15:43<prince>join #emacs
15:43<dcraig>no, I refuse
15:44<prince>:)
15:44<dcraig>vi 4 lyfe
15:44*babilen prefers vim these days and proper spelling
15:45<babilen>(but good one, /me laughed)
15:45<prince>Ha ha I was actually trying to join that and typed it over here :)
15:45<prince>good one though
15:45<prince>bye guys
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16:13<megadeath>thank <retrospectacus> but i think i better continue with wheezy or better make a clean install, i am happy with wheezy
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16:18<retrospectacus>megadeath: me too. Wheezy is the best :) if you are worried about not having the latest software check out <bpo> or <ssb> and of course <security>
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16:26<megadeath>i use Wheezy and my mother use Squeeze and my cousin use mind and everyones is happy i used to arch but now i prefer debian
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16:31<megadeath>i like me the systems stables more than the lastest in this moment. I will check it later thanks
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16:56<alex__>can somebody help me to build a deb package. normal compiling is not the problem
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17:00<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell alex__ about nmg
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17:01<megadeath>download dsc and tar.gz; dpk-source -x "your dsc"; cd "your file "; dpk-buildpackage -us -uc
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17:04<megadeath>for get the dependencies ; sudo aptitude buildpackage "the package: ex wine"
17:04<megadeath>anyway the package ask you the dependencies to install
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17:06<alex__>what is dsc? i downloaded the source unzipped it changed to the folder and done : dh_make -f ../avl-3.32.tar.gz
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17:06<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell alex__ about dsc
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17:07<alex__>edited than some files in debian/*
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17:07<megadeath>en debian page you can get ex: http://packages.debian.org/jessie/mplayer2
17:07<alex__>how to do changes in makefiles? can i directly change the makefiles in src?
17:08<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell alex__ about package recompile
17:08<alex__>megadeath, there exist no debian package for this app. it is written in fortran
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17:09<megadeath>you can use checkinstall for make the deb package too
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17:11<megadeath>what do program do you want compile?
17:11<alex__>i want to create an avl-3-32.deb package from fortran sources
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17:11<alex__>compiling is not the problem
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17:12<alex__>but creating a deb package from it: http://web.mit.edu/drela/Public/web/avl/avl3.32.tgz
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17:12<alex__>I crated an install file http://aero.dyndns.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/install_AVL3.32_on_debian.sh_.tar.gz
17:13<alex__>the install script works. tried to build an *.deb
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17:15<alex__>it is very similair to xfoil and this program is in the deb sources. i downloaded http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xfoil/xfoil_6.97.dfsg-5.dsc and the other files ( debian dir the src is and so on) and could create an *.deb without a problem
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17:18<megadeath>for compiling xfoil go to http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xfoil
17:18<megadeath>and download the source files
17:19<alex__>its AVL not xfoil
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17:19<alex__>i think i try it tomorrow again.
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17:21<alex__>i want only to learn make self *.deb from sources.
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17:21<retrospectacus>alex__: did you get all the messages the robot sent you?
17:22<megadeath>i think you will find checkinstall its the simple way
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18:24<oni_>Currently having issues with XFCE and network-manager-gnome. For some reason, whenever I try to add a network/VPN all options are greyed out. I'd assume it's a permissions issue, but I'm not sure. Spent several hours looking, but no luck. Could someone assist?
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18:30<retrospectacus>oni_: do you have a VPN daemon package installed?
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18:34<oni_>Yes, I currently have network-manager (with network-manager-gnome)
18:34<oni_>Everything works fine and it shows my eth0 connection, but I can't add a pesky VPN.
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18:37<retrospectacus>oni_: ...what *VPN* software have you installed?
18:38<oni_>openvpn/network-manager-openvpn
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18:39<oni_>When I open the "Network Connections" and go to "VPN", it will let me click Add and select OpenVPN, but it won't allow me to edit any settings or save. So I can't really add any.
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18:57<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell oni_ about openvpn
18:58<retrospectacus>oni_: there seems to be some "configuration for use of external commands"
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19:04<tgrego>hello, I'm having trouble mounting an ntfs external drive... I get: Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
19:04<tgrego>Mount is denied because setuid and setgid root ntfs-3g is insecure with the
19:04<tgrego>external FUSE library. Either remove the setuid/setgid bit from the binary
19:04<tgrego>or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated FUSE support and make it setuid root.
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19:38<nn_atombook>hay guys, what ever happened to esd? Net Jack is turning into a night mare.
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19:42<retrospectacus>nn_atombook: see pulseaudio
19:44<nn_atombook>retrospectacus, yup pulseaudio is even worse of a night mare. because it wont die.
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19:48<rjsalts>so tlsdate or ntp?
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20:12<themill>rjsalts: the "tls" bit might sound appealing (although I wonder if it really does correct host signature checking -- lots/most TLS stuff doesn't), but more importantly, I suspect it's like "ntpdate" in that it takes you on icky timewarps whereas ntp slews the clock and behaves much better.
20:12<themill>rjsalts: my understanding is that the ntp pool is sufficiently large that it's also robust against the occasional rogue time server. (also, what threat are you trying to mitigate by getting crypto certified time?)
20:14<rjsalts>themill: just in terms of firewall policy being simpler, udp smurf attacks via ntp servers, etc.
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20:14<rjsalts>themill: I think the tlsdate daemon can do slew adjustments
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20:15<rjsalts>themill: and you still need an accurate timestamp on the server which you're querying via tls handshake
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20:16<themill>ntp also links against libssl, although I've not looked at the details of how it uses it
20:16<themill>,popcon ntp
20:16<judd>Popcon data for ntp: inst: 52193, vote: 28055, old: 22632, recent: 1497, nofiles: 9
20:16<themill>,popcon tlsdate
20:16<judd>Popcon data for tlsdate: inst: 15, vote: 12, old: 3, recent: 0, nofiles: 0
20:16<themill>that also says a lot
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20:16<rjsalts>I don't think many people know of it, to be fair
20:17<themill>that's possibly true. I also prefer software that has been tested
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20:26<rjsalts>,popcon ntpdate
20:26<judd>Popcon data for ntpdate: inst: 42053, vote: 24268, old: 16880, recent: 889, nofiles: 16
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22:10*SamB wishes aptitude had a "go to package <foo>" command
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22:15<themill>SamB: /^foo$
22:15<SamB>hmm
22:16<themill>(or /~n^foo$ -- iirc the ~n is implicit
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22:16<SamB>yeah, I think they did switch from ~d to ~n as the default there finally
22:22<dondelelcaro>it's been ~n for a very long time
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22:23<SamB>I have been using aptitude for a very long time, too
22:25<themill>I have a vague recollection of it also including the short description in the search
22:26<dondelelcaro>it was only briefly not the default from nov 2008 to 2009 in experimental
22:27<dondelelcaro>at least, as near as I can tell
22:27<themill>:)
22:27<SamB>oh, was it the short description that it used to include?
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22:35<Celelibi>I see that some packages I used to use are now orphaned or requested for adoption. :(
22:35<Celelibi>I feel sad for them.
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22:36<Celelibi>Even some that I still use.
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22:43<themill>Celelibi: are you interested in adopting them?
22:43<Celelibi>There are severals reasons making me say no.
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22:44<Celelibi>But the main two reasons are that I have no idea what I would have to do, and I don't have much time to spend on that. ^^
22:45<Celelibi>And I ne longer use most of those packages.
22:45<themill>well the new maintainers guide gives a reasonable walk through of the process. Time is always limited, of course.
22:45<Celelibi>hexedit beeing the main exception.
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22:47<moltz>does anyone know how to get fullscreen flash in Chrome to not be under the gnome-shell top bar?
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22:50<themill>Celelibi: hexedit doesn't appear to be orphaned or RFA'd
22:51<themill>oh... RFA'd
22:51<Celelibi>since today.
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22:54<kai>hi there...
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22:55<Guest2612>is there anyone available to help me?
22:56<walken_>yes
22:56<Guest2612>hi walken..^^
22:57<Guest2612>i have downloaded the 7.2.0 ia64 dvd.iso. and burned it onto a dvd disk..
22:57<walken_>okk, ask your question
22:57<Guest2612>but the server won't boot from it...
22:58<Guest2612>and when i check the files on the disk..there's no setup.exe ...is this how it suppose to be?
22:58<ljsoftnet>Guest2612 linux doesn't have .exe files
22:58<walken_>oh I see
22:58<walken_>ahah
22:58<walken_>sorry
22:59<SamB>ljsoftnet: the disk could still use some tools to help set up the boot, presumably
22:59<SamB>well, disc
23:00<walken_>Guest2612: you want to install linux on server, and you don't know what you done
23:00<themill>Guest2612: are you sure you want i164?
23:00<Guest2612>er...yes..i'm new to this...the server is IBM X3650 M4...
23:00<themill>*ia61
23:00<SamB>Guest2612: do you know what ia64 *is*?
23:00<SamB>do you have an itanic processor?
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23:01<Guest2612>i've googled ia64..it seems to be the closest one..-.-
23:02<SamB>Guest2612: likely you wanted amd64
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23:02<SamB>that's the one supported on current Intel CPUS
23:02<Guest2612>oh
23:02<walken_>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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23:02*themill wonders wtf "Intel® AVX instruction set" is
23:03<themill>yet another synonym for amd64?
23:03<SamB>I believe it's a another set of new instructions or something
23:03<Guest2612>i need the whole installation iso...cos the server is not connected to the internet
23:03<SamB>Advanced Vector eXtensions perhaps?
23:03<walken_>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/bt-dvd/
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23:04<walken_>or http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-dvd/
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23:05<Guest2612>debian-7.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso is this the right one...Walken?
23:05<walken_>yep
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23:15<allen>Hi, please excuse this newbie question but I want to install Testing with the KDE DE. How should I go about doing this?
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23:16<SamB>allen: start by installing wheezy
23:16<SamB>presumably you'd pick KDE while doing that
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23:16<allen>You mean DL the stable ISO? Where in the process is "testing" selected
23:16<SamB>then, upgrade it to testing
23:17<SamB>(the so-called "testing" installers are typically broken)
23:18<SamB>maybe I should have quoted that "testing installers"
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23:18<allen>ok I will try that. Is Stable upgraded to Testing during the installation, or if not then how is it done?
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23:19<themill>actually, you may as well not install any DE from wheezy if you're going to straight away upgrade to jessie
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23:20<allen>so I'd upgrade from the command line? if there is no DE.
23:20<themill>you should do a dist-upgrade from inside kde anyway
23:20<rjsalts>allen: yes
23:21<rjsalts>themill: you mean outside?
23:22<themill>err... missing "n't"
23:22<walken_>deselect (*) Desktop Env during the installation , after the installation reboot, login (root) $ nano /etc/apt/sources.list, modify
23:22<themill>you shouldn't do a dist-upgrade from inside kde anyway
23:22<rjsalts>it'll work most of the time, when it doesn't it's a bit annoying though ;)
23:23<Hydroxide>yeah. if you do it from within kde, do it inside a screen session to avoid the problems
23:23<Hydroxide>so if your gui dies, you can access it from a cli
23:23<Hydroxide>however that assumes you will retain the ability to log in, so it's safest to do it another way :)
23:23<rjsalts>dpkg --configure -a usually fixes things, but not always
23:23<dpkg>wish i knew, rjsalts
23:23<allen>okay so I will DL Stable, install no DE, then upgrade to Testing from the command line, and then install KDE?
23:23<allen>how do you upgrade from the CL? Is there a guide?
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23:24<rjsalts>allen: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to the new release, apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
23:24<walken_>after this, apt-get install task-kde-desktop
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23:25<allen>Okay thanks a lot everyone =) I think I can take it from there.
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23:27<rjsalts>allen: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes has the instructions for upgrading to stable from old-stable, they haven't been written for jessie at this time. But if you're getting stuck it'll generally be due to specific packages
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23:28<Guest2612>how do i change my nice name?
23:28-!-a_muva [~a_muva@184.101.198.211] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:28<Guest2612>nick
23:29<parrotriver>just type /nick xxx
23:29-!-Guest2612 is now known as xxx
23:30-!-xxx is now known as Kai1981
23:30<Kai1981>^^ thx
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23:32<Kai1981>well...my problem seem to be solved...thank you guys...
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