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00:22<krabador>great, with single user mode, i've solved, all right
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01:59<EmleyMoor>What are the causes of error 512 in tar?
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02:01<SamB>does it say anything besides error 512?
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02:05<EmleyMoor>SamB: If it does, it's not obvious.
02:07<EmleyMoor>There is one thing of concern: --newer=2013-10-13\ 08:36:07 is being fed to it - it doesn't actually seem to be understood...
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02:11<EmleyMoor>I'm working on that parameter... will advise if I find anything significant. Odd that it seems to have worked OK for at least one other host...
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02:19<jm_>that syntax works fine for me
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02:43<ryanc_>Did the release signing key for wheezy change recently?
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02:44<ryanc_>I'm getting E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 6FB2A1C265FFB764)
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02:46<themill>ryanc_: that's the key that has been used to sign wheezy's Release file since prior to release.
02:46<themill>ryanc_: do you have debian-archive-keyring installed? which version?
02:47<ryanc_>themill: Let me look...
02:47<themill>(also, please don't cross-post)
02:48<ryanc_>sorry, was alarmed by a gpg error with one two day old hit for the key id
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02:48<ryanc_>i have an old version of the keyring
02:50<themill>ah. That package hasn't changed in over a year though so I don't know why you'd not have it updated
02:50<ryanc_>I know why it's old and how to fix it.
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02:52<ryanc_>yup, updating that package manually fixed it
02:52<SamB>hmm, was an older key also used initially (or does apt not actually understand that anyway)?
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04:51<superlinux-hp>how should i configure my router to NOT get detected as an open proxy by the proxy scanners? I always get klined on freenode for that reason
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05:43<imdea>Hi, I have a Debian Wheezy box with LDAP/PAM configuration, and I'm unable to use sudo. I've searched in Google and found this: but it seems that the solution is to install some third-party package for amd64? in my case I'm not using x86_64 what can I do?
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06:03<SynrG>imdea: i don't know what the LDAP/PAM has to do with anything ...
06:04<SynrG>ah. reading the bug
06:04<SynrG>sorry, i got 1/3 of the way through and lost interest :p
06:05<jm_>the end mentions some patches
06:05<SynrG>so i would try those
06:06<SynrG>rather than using a third-party package
06:06<SynrG>you'll need to build the package from source, of course
06:06<SynrG>!build custom package
06:06<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
06:07<imdea>SynrG, I'm afraid of breaking something. Why isn't such a bug fixed already after all this time?
06:07<SynrG>the bug history tells the long and sordid story
06:07<SynrG>i imagine if i read it all, i would be enlightened
06:08<SynrG>the very fact that there are 153 replies ...
06:09<SynrG>most relevant, i guess, is:
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06:10<SynrG>why discussion dribbled to a halt in April, i have no idea
06:12<SynrG>sounds like a valid basis for you to make your own inquiry into the status of the bug, attached to that bug
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06:14<SynrG>imdea: as i understand it, the RM thought a different direction should be taken in jessie. the patch doesn't go in that direction ... perhaps there are still plans afoot to fix this "properly" in jessie? perhaps there is disagreement still as to whether things are any worse than they were in squeeze? i really can't tell.
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06:16<imdea>SynrG: but it's at least *strange* that they have stopped talking about this, even when wheezy has some months being stable and sudo is a quite common application that should work under "stable" releases.
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06:16<imdea>SynrG: so, you suggest to me to make an inquiry asking for the bug status?
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06:18<SynrG>sudo is common. but this is (so the RM argues) a "corner case"
06:18<imdea>sorry but what is "RM"?
06:19<SynrG>imdea: it can't hurt. if i were doing it, i'd try to keep the tone positive (an offer to help test work-in-progress, rather than simply whining :)
06:19<SynrG>Release Manager
06:19<SynrG>it's actually a team, so we refer to them by role
06:19<imdea>SynrG: sure. How would I do in order to make such inquiry? is there any procedure about it?
06:19<SynrG>email the with your inquiry
06:20<SynrG>or else use reportbug and 'x' for extra info
06:20<imdea>sorry ok
06:20<imdea>yes, sorry.
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06:21<SynrG>reportbug is handy if you need to include the info reportbug collects on your system & details relevant to the package as used by you
06:21<SynrG>otherwise, just sending an email to that address is simplest.
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06:37<Celelibi>Is there a tool that could tell me which packages is RFA or orphaned among those installed on my system?
06:38<daemonkeeper>In devscripts I think.
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06:42<ffws>Celelibi: deborphan
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06:42<Celelibi>I know deborphan, I don't think it does that.
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06:44<Celelibi>yes, I've checked the manual. An orphaned package for deborphan is a package which have no installed package depending on it.
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06:45<ffws>Celelibi: and you are locking for what functioen exactly?
06:45<Celelibi>I'm looking for what wnpp-alert does. :p
06:46<Celelibi>except I didn't know it before.
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07:33<seeS>hi, anyone know why when i start gdm i have a black screen with a X mousepointer?
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07:35<Nemoder>how are you starting it?
07:35<seeS> /etc/init.d/gdm3 start
07:36<Nemoder>any output after exiting? or in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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07:37<seeS>lots in /var/log/Xorg.0.log but no errors
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07:38<seeS>i just never seen it with a mouse pointer and black screen. sure seen plenty of totally blank screens but not this
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07:38<Nemoder>I believe X is the default cursor, it sounds like gdm isn't loading at all
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07:40<jm_>but X normally uses checker pattern not black screen
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07:41<Nemoder>ah right
07:41<seeS>i think it is gdm
07:41<jm_>gdm3 has its own logfile, try checking that too
07:41<seeS>yeah i kill gdm3 and it looks the same
07:43<seeS>how odd, i started X and then did DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-terminal
07:43<seeS>and got a terminal with a black screen
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07:52<boulet101010> hi, i'm trying to install debian 7 via usb stick. to create the install i used the "dd" method, that didn't worked (was looking for a cd drive) and the "zcat" method with the hd-media image, that also didn't worked because it couldn't find any iso.
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07:53<jm_>dd method with which image?
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07:56<boulet101010>any idea?
07:56<jm_>dd method with which image?
07:57<crunchbang>my installation hangs on the "partitioning" part
07:57<boulet101010>debian 7.2 amd64 full cd
07:57<crunchbang>any help with this?
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08:00<jm_>did you look on tty3/4 for more info?
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08:01<boulet101010>no i haven't tested. i'm gonna do this
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08:20<seeS>its gdm, its screwed, xdm works fine. oh well
08:20<seeS>ill look at it later
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08:33<boulet101010>jm_: the syslog givesnew high-speed USB devices number 6 using ehci_hcd
08:34<boulet101010>device descriptor read/64, error -32
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08:34<boulet101010>unable to enumerate USB device on port 4
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08:34<jm_>boulet101010: is the installer able to mount it? you can check on tty2 where you can run commands
08:35<boulet101010>no it isn't in /dev
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08:35<jm_>so that's why it fails for you then
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08:38<boulet101010>hehe, i knew this, but do you think i can mount it by loading some module?
08:39<boulet101010>can it be the motherboard chipset that isn't supported by the kernel of the installer?
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08:39<jm_>I don't think that will help - perhaps changing some USB related settings in /sys/usb module options might help
08:39<jm_>do you have several USB controllers on it?
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08:41<boulet101010>yes, one for USB 1.1/2.0 and one for 3.0
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08:42<jm_>did you try connecting it to different ports?
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08:43<boulet101010>yes, it's always the same. but i'm gonna continue the tests. what's strange is that with ubuntu it works... and i'm not defendor of ubuntu but their kernel seems to support the motherboard
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09:25<jm_>boulet101010: so maybe a newer kernel helps, perhaps use deboostrap from a media with a newer kernel to install debian then
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09:26<jm_>so far I don't think there are installers for wheezy with a newer kernel (while a newer kernel is available from backports)
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09:26<boulet101010>jm_: ok i thought that would be the solution, i think i'm gonna stay on ubuntu till the next debian stable
09:27<jm_>boulet101010: your call :)
09:27<boulet101010>i have no time and it's for a friend
09:28<boulet101010>so it's not worth it
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09:28<jm_>see you
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10:10<metalinux>How can I register my nick please ?
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10:11<A|an>gedit no longer has shortkey keys available (and it's only gedit that's doing this)...does anyone have any ideas?
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10:14<jm_>metalinux: that's out of scope for this channel but try /msg nickserv help
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10:21<A|an>gedit no longer has shortkey keys available, they're grayed out (and it's only gedit that's doing this)...does anyone have any ideas?
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10:26<jm_>perhaps try it as another user
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10:34<Enekk>Hello, I was hoping to get some help with my new Debian install. GRUB seems unable to assmble my raid1 (which is a crypto volume) device, complains that it can't find my root volume group, and then drops me to initramfs
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10:35<Enekk>I can unlock the crypto volume using cryptsetup and I can mount the volumes
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10:36<Enekk>But grub won't do any of this for me.
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10:41<jm_>last week someone said one has to disable use of UUID for crypto (or LVM) setups IIRC
10:41<jm_>use of UUID in grub
10:41<Enekk>How does one doe that?
10:42<Enekk>Just switch all the grub.cfg stuff to name instead of uuid?
10:42<boodie>Ok, I had the problem with iceweasel; renamed the profile = totally frozen, rebooted the PC, now it works. I don't like it at all, but, for the time being, how can I import the bookmarks from the old profile?
10:42<jm_>check /etc/default/grub
10:43<jm_>boodie: do you have ~/.mozilla/*/*/bookmarks.html?
10:44<jm_>or wherever it's now saved on fresh installs (might be .iceweasel, I don't know, my installation is very old)
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10:44<walken_>boodie: import /home/boodie/.mozilla/firefox/rl97txdw.default/bookmarkbackups/***.json
10:44<Enekk>ok, let me drop into a rescue cd
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10:45<jm_>ahh so that's where bookmarks are nowadays then?
10:45<jm_>yeah that bookmarks.html file has date from 2008 on my system, should have checked first, sorry
10:46<boodie>so, all the *.json files, basically
10:46<walken_>that bookmarks.html need a manual extraction
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10:47<walken_>no, the last one
10:47<walken_>most recently
10:47<boodie>Anyways iceweasel gives me headaches
10:47<jm_>yeah ignore me, I am clearly looking at old files (I know I used that once to generate web pages with my bookmarks, but that too was years ago)
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10:48<walken_>boodie, add the mozilla.debian team to your sources.list
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10:49<boodie>as a repository?
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10:49<boodie>just like that?
10:49<walken_>no , use the generator
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10:50<walken_>which debian version do you use
10:50<jm_>visit the page in your browser to get sources.list entries
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10:50<boodie>wheezy (stable)
10:50<walken_>you can select the iceweasel version you want
10:51<piper>boodie: bookmarks > show all bookmarks > import & restore (if you have a html backup) should work (it does here) mind you i don't run iceweasel, but firefox nightly
10:51<Enekk>jm_: thanks, that seems to have allowed me to boot
10:51<Enekk>That's a frustrating bug
10:52<jm_>Enekk: no worries
10:52<walken_>and copy the sources.list line like deb wheezy-backports iceweasel-aurora
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10:53<walken_>piper, boodie don't have access to iceweasel with is old profile
10:53<boodie>Yeah it worked many thanks, now I'll update sources.list
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10:54<Enekk>jm_: Ok, a related question. Depsite setting that option and running update-grub, it keeps putting the UUID stuff back into grub. Any ideas?
10:54<Enekk>jm: I had to manually remove the stuff in GRUB to boot
10:55<jm_>Enekk: how does your default/grub file look like?
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10:55<piper>walken_: he renamed his profile and don't have access or did i miss something
10:56<walken_>right, he don't have access because he rename the profile
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10:56<walken_>and now, he can only use the **.json bookmarks
10:57<walken_>the last one
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10:58<piper>walken_: he should rename it back and export bookmarks to html ;)
10:58<piper>and then import
10:58<Enekk>jm_: jm_: Frustratingly it refuses to boot now... Anyway, it is the default jessie default/grub other than the uncommented no UUID line. Let me see if I can get back into things
10:58<piper>must be pretty old iceweasel ;)
10:58<walken_>he probably did not keep the name
10:59<walken_>my actual profile name is like rl94txdw.default
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11:01<walken_>but he can change the profiles path in /home/boodie/.mozilla/profiles.ini
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11:02<walken_>I miss that
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11:03<walken_>in the profiles.ini, you can see the default profile name , boodie
11:03<piper>he actually should have ran ./firefox -profilemanager and that would gave hime a choice ;)
11:03<piper>him even
11:04<boodie>Well, I installed the backport, it seems ok, now
11:05<boodie>Is it good plicy to use the backports, in general?
11:05<boodie>sorry, policy
11:05<Enekk>jm_: Yes, basically the only uncommented or unusal thing is the GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true. THere is nothing weird on the grub command line stuff
11:05<jm_>up to you, it's certainly good for a tool like iceweasel IMHO
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11:06<boodie>So, which browser would you reccomend?
11:06<jm_>Enekk: hmm don't have jessy version handy here but looking in /etc/grub.d/10_linux I can see it honours this setting there
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11:06<jm_>iceweasel frm mdn :)
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11:07<boodie>ah, ok
11:07<walken_>ahah jm_
11:07<jm_>Enekk: I should have said it honours it in wheezy
11:07<walken_>boodie, you already use that
11:07<Enekk>jm_: I'll have to read through it to see if I understand what the script is doing. It certainly seems to check for that option
11:07<boodie>ok, indeed
11:08<jm_>Enekk: you can add "set -x" to it at the top and run update-grub
11:08<jm_>(2nd or 3rd line)
11:08<boodie>ok, then: thanx a lot
11:08<jm_>but I have to run now, sorry
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11:09<Enekk>jm_: thanks for the help so far
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11:25<esseks>Hi! I am getting a "Versiob GLIBC_2.14 not found, required by /lib/x86.../"
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11:25<esseks>What should I do?
11:25<esseks>(running Wheezy, fully updated, no pinning)
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11:26<Maulkin>esseks: What are you doing to get that message?
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11:27<Maulkin>And can you paste the exact message please?
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11:27<esseks>Maulkin, I'm copying it from another computer...
11:29<esseks>/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ version GLIBC_2.14 not found (required by /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
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11:29<esseks>Maulkin, same for gdk
11:29<Maulkin>esseks: And how are you getting that error?
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11:29<esseks>I don't know... I read it in lightdm greeter log file.
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11:30<esseks>I'm unable to start the login manager (since it depends on that...)
11:30<Maulkin>esseks: Sounds like something's compiled against the wrong version of libc
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11:31<esseks>Maulkin, I reinstalled libgtk-3-0 and lightdm-gtk-greeter a few times...
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11:32<newbie|2>someone could tell me what are common practices when building packages for different architecture and uploading them to a reprepro repository ? I m building using git-buildpackage and reprepro complains about different checksums for the same .debian.tar.gz
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11:33<esseks>How can I find the exact glibc version a program is linked against?
11:34<Maulkin>esseks: What's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" and "apt-cache policy libgtk-3-0" ?
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11:34<Maulkin>esseks: Doesn't sound like you're just running wheezy to be honest.
11:34<Maulkin>esseks: Or you've installed/compiled something else
11:35<Maulkin>newbie|2: Not easily here. try #debian-mentors perhaps?
11:35<newbie|2>thx maulkin
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11:36<esseks>Maulkin, cannot paste, but, both have candidate == installed
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11:36<esseks>2.13-38 and 3.4.2-6, respectively
11:36<Maulkin>esseks: what versions?
11:37<Maulkin>esseks: and for lightdm-gtk-greeter ?
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11:38<esseks>version 1.1.6-2, candidate == installed
11:38<Maulkin>Any other versions showing up for those?
11:39<esseks>no, only that.
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11:39<Maulkin>esseks: Have you tried installing or compiling anything other than via apt-get and the standard debian repos?
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11:40<Maulkin>esseks: And what's in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
11:41<esseks>sources.list: I have, sources wheezy, wheezy-backports and wheezy-updates
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11:42<Enekk>Right. Still stuck with my inability to boot. Anyone else out there who might want to give helping me a shot?
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11:43<Maulkin>esseks: Odd that libc isn't reporting 2.14...
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11:43<Maulkin>esseks: Oh, objdump -p <file> lets you see your versions
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11:52<mshuler>If anyone has some reprepro foo, I'm consistently getting the same db error the last few times I've added packages (domain name has been changed to protect the innocent..)
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11:55<newbie|2>mshuler looks not good to have a corrupted db. Could you rebuild all the repository from scratch by reimporting the packages ?
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11:56<Che-Anarc>To multiarch on amd64 do I simply: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update ? - trying to get pkg's: build-essentials ia32libs & other common 32-bit libraroes?
11:57<Che-Anarc>Libraries^ - in wheezy.
11:57<esseks>Maulkin, objdump says tha actually requires that GLIBC_2.14 symbol
11:57<newbie|2>mshuler btw, would you tell me how you manage your different architecture when building packages ? They share the same .dsc file ?
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11:58<mshuler>newbie|2: yes, I could delete everything and start fresh, but that's a little drastic :)
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11:59<mshuler>newbie|2: I build in amd64 and i386 cowbuilders
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12:00<retrospectacus>Che-Anarc: yes; there is no "ia32-libs" anymore
12:00<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Che-Anarc about multiarch
12:00<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Che-Anarc about ia32-libs
12:00<newbie|2>mshuler: you build binaries separately from source package ?
12:00<retrospectacus>Che-Anarc: if you are having a problem please enumerate it here:
12:01<Che-Anarc>dpkg: tell Che-Anarc about upgrade ia32 libs
12:01<Maulkin>esseks: Yeah, I'm stuggling as to why libc isn't providing the rigth symbol
12:01<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Che-Anarc about selftell
12:01<mshuler>newbie|2: sure. I have the same little script for each suite I want to build on; sid, experimental, etc.
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12:02<mshuler>newbie|2: so amd64 builds everything, then i386 only arch-specific binaries
12:02<mshuler>and the .changes files only have the relevant parts
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12:03<mshuler>looping through reprepro includedeb *i386.deb is error prone ;)
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12:04<mshuler>and there is no need to build source/all again..
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12:05<newbie|2>mshuler: ok so this explains that. I would like to avoid to build like that since i m using git-buildpackage on different machines.. I'll stick to binary only builds for the moment
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12:07<mshuler>I use git-buildpackage too, but it is a little braindead - for whatever reason (I have not investigated) it will not honor --configfile and insists on only using env vars for suite/arch and whatever it find in /var/cache/pbuilder..
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12:08<mshuler>newbie|2: you ought to be able to do something like:
12:09<esseks>Maulkin, the only thing I can think about is that I downgraded from jessie to wheezy, but it was working before
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12:10*mshuler mumbles that downgrading.. unsupported..
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12:13<esseks>Maulkin, is there any cache or whatever to be cleaned?
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12:14<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell esseks about downgrade
12:14<esseks>retrospectacus, yes, I know. But this started showing up after downgrading... I had been working fine for days.
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12:16<mshuler>esseks: basically, debian tries very hard to provide sane upgrade paths - if you downgraded your system, there could be any number of things left behind causing your errors, and it will be up to you to discover those - no packages are investigated to properly allow downgrading - it might work, it might not - you broke it, so you get to keep both parts :)
12:17<mshuler>esseks: that said, it might be recoverable, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:17<mshuler>esseks: you could upgrade back to jessie
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12:18<mshuler>but then you have a very weird system already, and that could be interesting, too..
12:18<mshuler>a fresh install of wheezy would be my suggestion - then throw you data back on
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12:19<newbie|2>a fresh reimport of packages would be my suggestion - then throw you data back on
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12:19<birch>I installed wheezy from a CD image without an Internet connection so I didn't get some of the features during the install. Is there an easy command to make up for what I missed?
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12:20<esseks>birch, tasksel
12:20<birch>For example, the laptop utilities
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12:22<birch>esseks, thanks!
12:22<Maulkin>esseks: Ah. Yeah. Downgrade is basically a problem as above.
12:23<Celelibi>Is there a debian way to rebuild a package from the lastest trunk source?
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12:23<Maulkin>Celelibi: Ish, but it's quite complicated. I'd look at using a backport or something
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12:25<Celelibi>I need a backport for grub-efi-amd64, I reported a bug one week ago (#725785) still have no response at all.
12:25<Celelibi>And it's very blocking for me.
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12:26<Maulkin>Celelibi: Which version of Debian are you running?
12:27<Celelibi>I know grub-efi already have quite some upstream backports, I tried my best to ease the work for this backport (I searched for the upstream commit that solve the bug!), I don't know what I could do more.
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12:27<retrospectacus>Celelibi: look at the factoids <package recompile> or perhaps <uupdate>
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12:27<newbie|2>mshuler: finally on the amd64 box I built with : git-buildpackage --git-builder="debuild -sa" and on the x86 box I use "debuild -B", uploaded files generated from both builds, and installed both .changes files with reprepro
12:27<Celelibi>Maulkin: It's a debian stable but I installed grub-efi-amd64 from sid.
12:28<Celelibi>retrospectacus: factoids?
12:28<retrospectacus>Celelibi: /msg dpkg package recompile
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12:36<retrospectacus>Celelibi: instead of installing things from sid on stable, you should look at backporting them <ssb>
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12:41<Celelibi>The great package researcher have spoken:§ion=all
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12:42<Celelibi>No grub2 for stable or testing.
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12:44<A|an>gedit no longer has shortkey keys available, they're grayed out (and it's only gedit that's doing this)...does anyone have any ideas?
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12:44<Celelibi>use vim? :p
12:45<A|an>please, not that!
12:45<retrospectacus>use geany
12:45<A|an>seriously, though...
12:45<A|an>what could explain this?
12:45<Celelibi>Sorry, I never used gedit.
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12:46<retrospectacus>A|an: by "shortcut keys" do you mean menu buttons?
12:46<retrospectacus>toolbar buttons?
12:47<A|an>yes, the key commands that are available in addition to mouse commands
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12:47<retrospectacus>just not sure why you're saying "key"
12:48<A|an>you know, in addition to click "save" with your mouse, you can also cut to the chase and do ctrl-s
12:48<A|an>or for "find," ctrl-f
12:48<retrospectacus>yes... how can a KEY be "greyed out"? surely you mean the button
12:48<A|an>the ctrl options aren't working
12:49<A|an>at the menu...
12:49<retrospectacus>how about "Open"
12:49<A|an>well, like with the top of the XChat menu, there is "Network list..." or optionally Ctrl-S
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12:50<A|an>nothing work using ctrl key shortcuts
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12:51<A|an>is there a conf file for gedit that controls that function?
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12:51<A|an>(by key commands I mean keyboard commands)
12:51<Celelibi>Does it work when you click in the menu?
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12:52<retrospectacus>control - o opens a file in, say, office or the web browser, but Ctrl-O in geany does nothing?
12:52<A|an>just a sec...
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12:52<A|an>oh! it's ONLY gedit that behaving like keyboard commands available
12:53<A|an>yeah, just verified it...for LibreOffice Calc, the ctrl key commands work
12:54<A|an>as does every other app, as far as I know
12:54<LtL>A|an: when gedit is opened, in the menu bar and sub-menus, any underlined letter is a hot-key used with ctrl, but i'm sure you know this
12:54<A|an>it's just gedit doing this...and I use gedit LOTS, so it's a problem
12:54<retrospectacus>did you run gedit as root or via ssh-x or anything like that?
12:54<A|an>no, let me try that
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12:55<retrospectacus>ahh no, those are possible problems not solutions
12:55<retrospectacus>but I guess trying it might tell us something
12:55<A|an>okay, as root, they're (the ctrl key commands) are grayed out and not available
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12:56<A|an>take that back! they do work under root
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12:56<retrospectacus>A|an: I am asking about Ctrl-O in particular since the availability of S or F depend on things. "Open" is always a valid option
12:56<A|an>ctrl-f opens a find dialog window
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12:57<A|an>yes, it works under root
12:57<A|an>ctrl-o opens a window
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12:58<retrospectacus>A|an: why do you say "greyed out" when you mean the key does nothing? Is "File - Open" actually grey? How about "file quit"?
12:58<A|an>wait! and ctrl-o opens a window under user, too!
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12:58<A|an>just a sec...
12:59<A|an>ctrl-q quits the instance
12:59<LtL>A|an: do try and limit the use of the enter key. use punctuation please :)
12:59<A|an>ok sorry
13:00<A|an>i guess it's restricted (the problem) to ctrl-f
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13:00<retrospectacus>perhaps the "find" dialog is already open, hiding somewhere
13:01<silbro>Hi all, does anybody have a ipsec vpn client recommendation ?
13:01<A|an>well, it hasn't behaved like that previoiusly, and i've been using gedit for a long's always displayed in the window you're wishing to search
13:01<birch>what's the current java required on wheezy? it wasn't included in the cd install.
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13:01<retrospectacus>you should try geany - it's just a liiiitle more powerful and featureful
13:02<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell birch about install java
13:02<A|an>all of the ctrl commans ARE grayed out, though, which is atypical
13:02<birch>retrospectacus, that's still on squeeze btw
13:03<retrospectacus>birch: what is, you?
13:03<retrospectacus>birch: shouldn't matter
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13:03<birch>retrospectacus, it's saying the 6 plugin for squeeze, isn't it at 7 now?
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13:04<retrospectacus>icedtea6-plugin? yeah. the factoid talks about that
13:04<birch>but isn't the factoid outdated?
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13:12<PovAddict>I got a mouse with a high-precision scroll wheel, but it seems to be producing X buttonpress events at a rate similar to other mice
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13:12<PovAddict>so I don't really get the extra precision, it's just like a normal notched wheel
13:13<PovAddict>I was thinking I could make it produce scroll events more frequently, and then change other settings to make each event scroll less lines
13:13<PovAddict>any idea how to do the former?
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13:35<judi>what is it?
13:35<retrospectacus>!irc tutorial
13:35<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
13:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:36<judi>I don stand ! can you talk in spanish?
13:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:37<judi>bye bye !
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13:37<judi>I dont stand!
13:38<judi>you are a person? or a computer?
13:39<mtn>we are all computers
13:39<judi>ah ok -1
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13:47<satyam>HI TO EVERY ONE
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13:48<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on or #defocus on
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13:48<retrospectacus>and don't shout
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13:51<Testaa>anyone around?
13:51<retrospectacus>hundreds, as you can see
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13:52<Testaa>well, im old school, when people used dial up, and when they were on irc, they were actually on irc.
13:52<PovAddict>don't ask to ask, don't ask if someone is around, just ask your actual question
13:52<Testaa>anyways, im wondering, when using a startup script, is it possible to adjust the "nice" for a service?
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13:53<Testaa>or set it to high priority or simething
13:53<retrospectacus>Testaa: yes.
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13:57<retrospectacus>Testaa: yes, that is possible. Do you have another question?
13:57<Testaa>is there a command?
13:58<retrospectacus>or if your service uses start-stop-daemon, there is an option -N
13:58<retrospectacus>Testaa: see "man nice" or "man start-stop-daemon"
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13:59<Testaa>the script is in init.d and has a ton of stuff in it, unsure where to put the nice command inside this script
13:59<retrospectacus>line 42
14:00<Enekk>I was around earlier asking about Debian Jessie and mdadm. I think I've discovered that my inability to boot is due to a bug in mdadm ( and I think I know how to get into my system using initramfs. My questions then. When 3.3-2 of mdadm makes it into Jessie, will my boot start working? Is it a bad idea to pin the sid version of mdadm into jessie?
14:00<birch>The battery indicator is wildly inaccurate after a fresh install on this system any ideas on how to fix it?
14:00<retrospectacus>Testaa: ask an answerable question. Show us the script if you want.
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14:00<alorig>what is this
14:01<retrospectacus>alorig: Debian support on IRC
14:01<alorig>So people can talk to each other?
14:01<Testaa>yeah, its the standard deluged boot script shown here.
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14:01<alorig>Who is this chat limited to?
14:01<alorig>McGill students?
14:01<retrospectacus>alorig: you're doing it
14:01<retrospectacus>alorig: no. Debian users
14:02<alorig>whats debain
14:02<dpkg>i heard debian is See
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14:02<retrospectacus>Testaa: as you can see, this script uses start-stop-daemon. Add the -N option as I said earlier
14:03<Testaa>ok, thanks
14:04<retrospectacus>Testaa: note that it only needs to be added to the "start" action (do_start) and this starts two daemons - deluged and deluge-web. You may only want niceness on one.
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14:05<alorig>gcc hello.c -o xx
14:05<alorig>wait, so where is everyone from? mcgill? or around the world
14:05<mgv>alorig: around the world
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14:06<retrospectacus>alorig: unless you have a Debian question, please be quiet. You can go to #moocows for general chat
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14:07<Celelibi>How about #debian-offtopic as the title says?
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14:08<pinguineitor>hola como te llamas
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14:10<retrospectacus>Celelibi: sure. it is somewhat Debian related is all, just non-support. #moocows is anything
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14:10<Testaa>also, the move command, does it move a file, or copy it to the new place and then delete the original? Whenever I want to move a file from a folder to another folder mounted form the same external server disk, it takes ages to complete
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14:12<Enekk>Testaa: It depends on the context in which mv is used. I know that's not a satisfying answer, but Google something like "how does linux mv work"
14:13<Testaa>hooray i got the daemon to start with the correct nice.
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14:14<retrospectacus>Testaa: mv will simply update the inode table, but in various situations that is not possible
14:14<Testaa>completely new to linux so I am happy with my progress
14:14<pinguineitor>qien eres
14:14<retrospectacus>!es pinguineitor
14:14<dpkg>pinguineitor: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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14:16<birch>A tutorial says I should make a change to /etc/defaults/grub but there is no /etc/defaults, is this moved or should I create the folder?
14:16<mgv>birch: it's /etc/default/grub
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14:17<Testaa>I guess the "mount" environment makes the mv command download the file into its local storage and so reuploads it to the new folder
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14:17<birch>mgv, thanks i guess it's either different in ubuntu or the tutorial has a typo.
14:17<Testaa>which is kinda... slow, and I only have 5 gig free on the sd card
14:17<mgv>birch: typo
14:18<dondelelcaro>Testaa: it doesn't have anything to do with mount; it's really specific to the underlying filesystem time and filesystem layout
14:18<Testaa>mh, I don't know anything about filesystems and such.
14:18<dondelelcaro>Testaa: on most filesystems, mv within the same filesystem is a cheap operation which basically just renames the file
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14:18<dondelelcaro>Testaa: moving between filesystems is a copy with an rm
14:19<Testaa>I cifs to an external disk
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14:19<dondelelcaro>Testaa: that involves a copy
14:19<retrospectacus>the data should only go into memory, not local storage though
14:19<Testaa>memory is only 512mb
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14:19<Testaa>i see
14:19<neo1691>Hello Everyone
14:19<birch>mgv, do you know if 'fix-splash' is a command? this is also in the post but i get command not found
14:19<dondelelcaro>doesn't really matter; the data is copied, and then written out
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14:20<Testaa>can I use something else to mount the folder? some linux whiz instead of Windows system?
14:20<Testaa>i believe cifs is some Windows thing?
14:20<dondelelcaro>Testaa: is that a network share or something?
14:20<Testaa>or smb or similar, samba it says
14:20<Testaa>network share on a synology disk station
14:21<dondelelcaro>Testaa: that's probably the main way to do it then
14:21<retrospectacus>running "mv" on remote data will never be fast
14:21<dondelelcaro>depends on the underlying network, but generally, yes.
14:21<retrospectacus>Testaa: log into the "synology" and perform the operation through whatever interface it provides
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14:22<Testaa>yeah that works of course. it also works to move files from Windows7 too, but I desire an automated system to move files around, if possible.
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14:28<Testaa>Anyways, thanks for help. I'm sure I'll figure something out
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15:40<toshiba>hi all
15:40<retrospectacus>toshiba: what's up
15:40<toshiba>I need to download oracle 11g on ubuntu
15:40<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc toshiba
15:40<dpkg>toshiba: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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15:50<ultim8>Hello. Is this the official xubuntu support channel?
15:50<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc ultim8
15:50<dpkg>ultim8: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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16:16<SOUL_OF_R00T>hello great guys!
16:16<retrospectacus>hi soul
16:17<SOUL_OF_R00T>i need some help to solve one driver trouble in my epson multifunction
16:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:17<SOUL_OF_R00T>the download link is give to me one corrupt debian package
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16:18<SOUL_OF_R00T>the model is epson tx125 i need two deb files on the past i have success to install the scanner but now the link to download site don't work, any can help?
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16:23<retrospectacus>SOUL_OF_R00T: we do not support, or know anything about, any "link to download site". Generally you install a printer through the control panel or CUPS interface
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16:24<SOUL_OF_R00T>retrospectacus, ok i have some pratice with debian the printer is instaled and ok, but the scanner needs two separate deb files
16:24<SOUL_OF_R00T>is one TX125 epson
16:24<SOUL_OF_R00T>is one multinfunction
16:25<SOUL_OF_R00T>but the driver for scanner is separate i have instaled on the past under squeezy
16:25<SOUL_OF_R00T>but now the link to download ,deb file returns me a broken package
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16:29<vortek>What happened to firefox in testing? i can find it no were?
16:29<ectospasm>dpkg: tell vortek -about iceweasel
16:30<vortek>but gnash dont work with iceweasel or other flash pluginns what do i do?
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16:31<retrospectacus>vortek: there hasn't been firefox for many years, only iceweasel
16:31<retrospectacus>vortek: flashplugin-nonfree works fine with iceweasel
16:31<retrospectacus>and gnash, if it works at all
16:31<vortek>i was trying gnash
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16:32<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell vortek about adobe flash
16:33<vortek>hrm it not showing up in search lol
16:34<vortek>im using jessie
16:34<vortek>is it not avalalble for jessie>
16:34<retrospectacus>I'm not sure you should be using jessie
16:34<retrospectacus>,v flashplugin-nonfree
16:34<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2+squeeze1; wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; jessie/contrib: 1:3.3; sid/contrib: 1:3.3
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16:34<retrospectacus>vortek: it is ^
16:35<vortek>why isnt it showing up whne i search fpr it
16:35<retrospectacus>vortek: 1) it's in contrib 2) you don't need to search - I told you the name of the package
16:35<vortek>oh i aptget it duhh!
16:35<retrospectacus>3) if you can't figure out such basic problems you shouldn't be using jessie
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16:36<vortek>i just had a brainfart
16:38<vortek>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
16:38<vortek>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
16:38<vortek>is only available from another source
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16:39<vortek>todays not my day lol
16:40<retrospectacus>see 1) and 3) above
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16:43<vortek>ugg im seraching in contrib and see no such file :(
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16:44<dharc>hi, I have bugs with my radeon card =/
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16:44<vortek>and apt-get says its refared to by another package
16:45<retrospectacus>!tell dharc about ask
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16:45<retrospectacus>!tell vortek about contrib
16:45<retrospectacus>!tell vortek about bat
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16:46<dharc>retrospectacus, when I install docky and I fix some icons in it, if I remove one icon the session crashes and gdm appears again for I make login :S
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16:47<dharc>I remove the icon dragging and dropping out of docky
16:48<retrospectacus>dharc: check ~/.xsession-errors
16:49<dharc>ok, wait a minute
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16:51*vortek cant belivehe over looked something so sime the contrib line heh
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16:53<retrospectacus>it's not even a line - just a word
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16:54<dharc>from xsession-errors I got nothing. but from dmesg I got this
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16:59<khaos>i have a gfx prob in my netbook (debian jessie)
17:00<khaos>this netbook has an onboard intel gfx (intel atom n450) it's a weak system
17:01<dharc>retrospectacus, you saw?
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17:03<retrospectacus>dharc: sure, but I don't know anything about ati stuff.
17:04<retrospectacus>dharc: <ask> "don't pick one person to ask"
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17:05<dharc>the last lines are about fglrx
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17:58<Greylocks>does anyone know if e-17 can be run on debian?
17:58<retrospectacus>,v e17
17:58<judd>Package: e17 on i386 -- jessie: 0.16.999.70492-2; sid: 0.17.3-1
17:59<Greylocks>testing only :(
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18:06<retrospectacus>Greylocks: I think with a lot of messing around, you could backport the sid version to stable
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18:07<Greylocks>maybe, might just be easier to install testing
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18:08<retrospectacus>Greylocks: yes, backporting the sid version to jessie appears to be trivial
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18:10<Greylocks>retrospectacus: what would it take?
18:10<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Greylocks about wheezy->jessie
18:10<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Greylocks about ssb
18:10<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Greylocks about tum
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18:15<Greylocks>looks very do-able dinner time! might give it a try after thanks retrospectacus
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18:42<slbtc>So Japan's going to become inhabitable pretty soon.
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18:45<peterS>eh? people have been inhabiting Japan for ... a long time. how can it 'become' inhabitable?
18:45<devil>atomic pollution
18:45<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
18:45<devil>but that is so off-topic…
18:46<slbtc>Read that
18:46<devil>slbtc: take it to #debian-offtopic please
18:48<gregor_>hi guys
18:48<gregor_>Whats the best windowmanager??
18:49<dualbus>gregor_: the one that fits your needs better
18:49<retrospectacus>gregor_: the one you like
18:49<gregor_>I want a customizable!
18:49<dualbus>gregor_: most are customizable.
18:50<gregor_>and if i have gnome and no spacialy window manager
18:50<gregor_>Which one i have then?
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18:52<peterS>the usual gnome default is metacity, last I heard
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19:02<pinkydw>Who do I say thank you to for making the nvidia driver install so much easier?
19:02<Elico>I would like to verify my check if my current SATA ahci device is supporting HOT-SWAP
19:03<Elico>where should I look at?
19:05<_aeris_>remove the drive :D
19:05<_aeris_>if no crash, it's hot-swap :D
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19:07<twb>Fresh wheezy install on brand new HP g8 server, with an H220 HBA (passthrough, no hardware raid).
19:08<twb>Three disks in a md RAID1. First month: one of the disks disappears completely -- doesn't appear in /proc/partitions.
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19:08<twb>Fixed that by turning the system off, unplugging and replugging all the drives.
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19:08<Elico>_aeris_: OK so let say I want to verify the controller capabilities??
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19:08<twb>Second month (today), one of the nodes is failed out of the array. "mdadm --remove failed" worked, but trying to readd it causes mdadm to *segfault*. WTF.
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19:10<twb>OK, strace indicates it's segfalting with EIO trying to write to /dev/sda2. A simple "dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/null" also gets an EIO with 0 records in/out, so I guess mdadm is just not checking for errors properly.
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19:11<vortek>how do i get ride of kde package? apt-get --purge dont work
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19:15<pinkydw>curious, how many people in here run xfce ?
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19:16<mtn>pinkydw: 5.5
19:16<pinkydw>how do you get the .5
19:16<themill>dpkg: tell pinkydw about polls
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19:17<pinkydw>D'oh, thank you, sorry
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23:25<allen>The Debian Stable installation on my Asus netbook from a USB drive froze completely (no even mouse movement) at the part where the GRUB bootloader is installing. Anyone know what might be wrong?
23:26<Infiltrator>allen: Does Ctrl+Alt+F4 (I think it's F4, going from memory) give you anything?
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23:27<allen>Hi, nope it does not do anything
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23:31<allen>Anyone know if this is a known bug during installation?
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23:32<Infiltrator>allen: It wouldn't be; not in stable anyway.
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23:33<Infiltrator>allen: Hang around and see if somebody more knowledgeable in the installer can answer your question.
23:33<allen>okay, will do, thanks anyway
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