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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-18

---Logopened Fri Oct 18 00:00:09 2013
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00:46<alumno>kjij
00:46<alumno>que es esto?
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01:37<grummund>Hi, is there a method to read a 'boot count' from the system, say under /proc /sys or a system file?
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01:38<jm_>what is a boot count?
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01:40<grummund>an incrementing number for each boot cycle
01:41<jm_>there's no such thing
01:42<Rogan> Heyo, anyone keen to lend me a hand with a kernal panic issue? It's pretty much exactly the same as in this forum post (but on Mint Debian Edition) http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=24940
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01:42<retrospectacus>!mint
01:42<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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01:47<Rogan>That's cool, thought we were all friends and so on, but it's OK. I understand. It was just a last resort but I see how it is.
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02:54<staff9>hi
02:55<staff9>how are you
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03:13<staff9>hi
03:13<staff9>I need help
03:14<staff9>working
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03:14<staff9>ok
03:14<staff9>why
03:14<staff9>do you wont me here
03:15<staff9>have you done all your work
03:15<staff9>chat
03:16<jm_>!ask
03:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:17<staff9>ok
03:18<staff9>can I have a question for you
03:18<staff9>I am 8 years old
03:19<staff9>chat with me
03:19<ffws>no
03:19<staff9>ok
03:19<TN_Jonesboro>It's pretty impressive if an 8 year old can use IRC.
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03:20<dualbus>TN_Jonesboro: not really.
03:20<staff9>how old are you
03:20<dualbus>There are people of less age that solve the Rubiks cube in less than a minute. I find that more complex than IRC.
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03:20<staff9>my name is liam robinson
03:20<staff9>hi
03:20<TN_Jonesboro>dualbus: Really? How many 8 year olds would really even know what IRC is? Let alone what Debian or Linux is.
03:21<staff9>IRC is to chat ok
03:21<staff9>is that ok
03:21<dualbus>TN_Jonesboro: Uhm, yeah, it's just that you said "can use IRC", not "knows about IRC", but yes.
03:22<dualbus>well, anyways, sorry about the offtopic. Just wanted to say that :).
03:22<staff9>um ok
03:22<TN_Jonesboro>You typically have to know about something to set up and use it. :/
03:22<staff9>ok
03:22<staff9>I you rill peaple
03:23<staff9>what are you doing today
03:23<staff9>do you no minecraft
03:23<jm_>this is not a chat channel
03:23<staff9>ah ok
03:23<staff9>is it a work one
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03:24<staff9>hi
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03:25<staff9>I have mac so x
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03:25<staff9>do you have windows
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03:26<staff9>bye
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03:27<staff9>will
03:28<staff9>hellow
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03:30<staff9>hi
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03:39<Elico>I have a small question...
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03:40<Elico>I want to boot the machine from USB and then mount the root of the drive..
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03:43<staff9>hi all of you
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03:45<staff9>;
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03:47<staff9>bye
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04:21<[UP]Crystal>Does graphics drivers for Intel HD 4600 exist for wheezy?
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04:28<jm_>[UP]Crystal: are you saying it doesn't work?
04:29<[UP]Crystal>maybe... I'm not sure that driver exist in my system now
04:29<[UP]Crystal>It's Intel Core i5-4670 on Asus Z87-A motherboard with UEFI bios
04:30<[UP]Crystal>Just did a fresh install of wheezy and can't log into GNOME. GNOME classic works only
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04:34<jm_>have you tried a newer kernel?
04:35<[UP]Crystal>no
04:35<[UP]Crystal>In system details it shows me -->> Graphics: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
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04:36<[UP]Crystal>So you recommend me to install a newer kernel now?So you recommend me to install a newer kernel now?
04:36<[UP]Crystal>sorry for repeat
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04:38<jm_>well that's the only newer option for now - there are no xserver-xorg-video-intel backports for wheezy yet
04:39<ffws>but does a newer kernel help if wheezy version of xserver-xorg-video-intel does not support the card?
04:39<[UP]Crystal>not sure that it will help...
04:39<[UP]Crystal>Maybe upgrade to testing will help me
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04:40<ffws>I suggest try to find out what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel you need for that card
04:40<ffws>before testing an upgrade to testing
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04:41<[UP]Crystal>I'm afraid I don't know how to find version that I need.
04:41<[UP]Crystal>Could you help with this please?
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04:45<jm_>https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/2013q1-intel-graphics-stack-release says New features: Full Haswell support including 2D, 3D ...
04:45<jm_>intel driver version is said to be 2.21.3
04:46<jm_>and testing has a newer one
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04:46<[UP]Crystal>Wow... seems I need to install all all packages from "Downloads" section...
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04:46<[UP]Crystal>I will try testing now
04:46<ffws>[UP]Crystal: no
04:47<ffws>do not download them from there
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04:47<jm_>just upgrade to testing instead
04:47<ffws>most probably an upgrade to testing might help
04:47<[UP]Crystal>Yeah, will try now
04:47<[UP]Crystal>Thank you very much guys!
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04:49<jm_>no worries
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04:59<[UP]Crystal>Thanks again guys! Works fine on testing now! Thank you very much!
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05:16<Garp>Hi.
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05:19<Garp>I have a strange problem: I'm using xine to listen audio stuff with the "oscilloscope" visualisation. at the same time I'm editing an image in The Gimp; and hummm, how to say it... I see the oscillo output in the "front-color" icon... Weird.
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06:59<Sludge321>Hi all. Is the way that python is packaged/built for debian the same as for ubuntu?
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07:01<jm_>why not compare source packages for both to find out?
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07:11<Sludge321>I'm hoping to find someone who can help me compile something which embeds python. Disclosure: I'm using Ubuntu, but I believe that python is similar on Debian. I think the problem is to do with static/dynamic linking, but I have absolutely no idea where to begin with make flags etc. (I am a python user after all!)
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07:12<bhuddah>maybe you should try in #phyton then?
07:12<Sludge321>Yeah, will do - I found a similar bug report on the python bug tracker and they said is was more of a distro packaging issue and closed it.
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07:48<wheeler>hi!
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07:49<wheeler>I have found in my /var/log/dmesg this: http://pastebin.com/FWwanK4y
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07:50<wheeler>I think that the reason why I receive PCH poison interrupt is 'MTRR allocation failed. Graphics performance may suffer.'
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07:51<SynrG>wheeler: which kernel? uname -r
07:52<wheeler>SynrG: 3.2.0-4-amd64
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07:54<wheeler>I have this problem since Debian 7 has released.
07:55<SynrG>so, probably:
07:55<SynrG>,bug #689768
07:55<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/689768 in src:linux (closed): «linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64: [drm] MTRR allocation failed. Graphics performance may suffer.»; severity: important; opened: 2012-10-06; last modified: 2012-11-04.
07:56<SynrG>apparently nothing to worry about:
07:56<SynrG>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689768#15
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07:56<SynrG>so, aside from scary looking messages, there's no actual problem here.
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07:58<wheeler>thanks.
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07:59<wheeler>I have found it because I cannot use virtual consoles (I mean these which can be run using Ctrl+Alt+F1-F7 combination)
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08:00<wheeler>When I use one of these consoles I see some records from dmesg log
08:00<wheeler>one of them is PCK poison interrupt
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08:00<wheeler>do you know what can cause it?
08:01<SynrG>i know nothing except what that bug report says. if you really need to know, ask #debian-x
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08:02<SynrG>ah, hm
08:02<SynrG>#debian-kernel more likely
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08:02<jm_>or perhaps just try a newer kernel
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08:05<wheeler>ok, I will ask, thank you
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09:02<IkkeT>hola
09:02<gilgha>hi ^^
09:02<Barbaro>edrr
09:02<IkkeT>how are you ;)
09:02<Barbaro>HOW ARE YOU
09:02<themill>IkkeT, Barbaro: perhaps you wanted #moocows
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09:02<Barbaro>CONMEMELA
09:03<IkkeT>I need help
09:03<gilgha>i need help with my apache2 I can't access it from outside my lan... can smb help me ?
09:03<Barbaro>I NEED WEED
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09:04<gilgha>everything is stock config and the NAT is configured to accept 80 from outside
09:04<stdhell>gilgha: NAT'ed LAN or are you using routable IP-addresses?
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09:04<gilgha>the debian running apache2 is in the DMZ of my pan actually
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09:04<gilgha>*pan=LAN
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09:04<gilgha>so it shouldn't be a NAT issue
09:05<stdhell>gilgha: It's not enough that it accept port 80 from the outside, you also need to forward the packets to the correct internal IP.
09:05<gilgha>yep but the server is the only one in the DMZ
09:05<gilgha>moreover, I can ssh into it from the Internet
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09:07<Nemoder>have you tried testing apache with a different port than 80?
09:07<stdhell>Could be a firewall on the webserver.
09:07<gilgha>nope didn't tried that
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09:08<gilgha>but is it normal that the only entry of netstat -an concerning port 80 is
09:08<gilgha>tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN
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09:08<gilgha>tcp6 ????
09:08<stdhell>IPv6-only?
09:08<themill>that binds both ipv4 and ipv6
09:09<gilgha>my LAN isn't configured for ipv6 support
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09:10<SynrG>it's fine. it will still bind both
09:10<gilgha>wait configuring apache on another port then 80 worked
09:10<themill>the server will have ipv6 support still even if only on localhost.
09:11<gilgha>I should've mentioned that tomcat is also installed on this server but only reachable from the LAN
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09:12<SynrG>netstat -lp
09:12<gilgha>but tomcat is listening on 8080
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09:13<SynrG>netstat -tlp
09:13<SynrG>tidier
09:14<gilgha>tcp6 0 0 [::]:omniorb [::]:* LISTEN 20628/apache2
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09:14<gilgha>tcp6 0 0 [::]:http-alt [::]:* LISTEN 30963/java
09:14<stdhell>gilgha: Is the NAT-box one of those "smart" home routers with a stupid web-interface running on port 80? Maybe that's blocking the forwarding of port 80.
09:14<SynrG>toss in -n and you'll see numeric port#s
09:16<gilgha>tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 20755/apache2
09:16<gilgha>tcp6 0 0 :::8080 :::* LISTEN 30963/java
09:16<Nemoder>isn't the default to start the listen service per connection?
09:17<gilgha>stdhell: the router do has a web-interface running on port 80 but listening only for LAN connections, plus the server is in the DMZ
09:18<gilgha>but when I set the port to 8088 I was able to reach it from the outside....
09:18<gilgha>weird...
09:19<Nemoder>definitely sounds like the problem is with the router
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09:19<Nemoder>or possibly your ISP
09:19<Nemoder>some will block port 80 and port 25
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09:20<gilgha>i'll try to tweak some settings in the web-interface of my router...
09:22<gilgha>thanks for your help... i'll do that once I come home
09:22<gilgha>bye everybody ^^
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09:35<dykus>hola
09:35<dykus>hello
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09:47<Maulkin>!ask
09:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:24<houms>good day all. I am installing debian testing on new laptop that has single ssd drive. I am going through https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization#Basics and from what i am reading I just need to change the scheduler and add noatime and discard to fstab, and then add vm/swappiness to 0. does nayone have any experience with this type of setup?
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10:29<houms>also is sysfsutils required?
10:30<houms>the wiki shows changing the scheduler using two different commands and the second does not appear to need sysfsutils
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10:33<houms>or The two methods do the same thing only if you have one drive. If you have a mix of actual hard drives and SSDs, you'll want to use the sysfs method to enable it only on the SSDs. If you only have SSDs, it's easiest to use the menu.lst method.
10:33<houms>?
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10:35<houms>also is deadline or noop the suggested scheduler?
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11:21<freebooter>(:-)) hi everyone and to the Universal Os that is Dedian thanks..
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11:21<freebooter>Debian i mean of course
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12:28<eightyeight>when running "aptitude search '~c'", how can i view which config files will be removed as a result of running "aptitude purge '~c'"?
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12:31<SynrG>eightyeight: see /var/lib/dpkg/packagename.list
12:31<LtL>eightyeight: handy one-liner 'dpkg --list |grep "^c" | cut -d " " -f 3' will list c state packages
12:32<SynrG>LtL: that wasn't the point, though
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12:32<SynrG>and is more complicated than the aptitude search
12:32<retrospectacus>handy for me, I don't have aptitude
12:32<eightyeight>SynrG: checking. thx
12:32<LtL>SynrG: oh, sorry
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12:32<eightyeight>LtL: that lists the package names. i want configs.
12:33<LtL>eightyeight: i see, my mistake
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12:33<SynrG>eightyeight: those .list files contain everything the package 'owns'
12:33<SynrG>eightyeight: when in 'rc' state, that should be only the configs that will be purged.
12:33<SynrG>eightyeight: that being said, there may be other files ...
12:33<eightyeight>SynrG: yup. perfect. thank you
12:34<retrospectacus>LtL: awk '/^.c/{print $2}' <(dpkg -l) is more succinct
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12:34<SynrG>eightyeight: see, for example, the corresponding .postrm script
12:34<SynrG>eightyeight: it might clean up other stuff in a purge.
12:35<eightyeight>SynrG: cool. very nice
12:35<retrospectacus> dpkg -L $(awk '/^.c/{print $2}' <(dpkg -l))
12:35<dpkg>ii $(awk '/^.c/{print $2}' <(dpkg -l)) 1.2-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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12:36<SynrG>retrospectacus: which is a very good point, because that truly matches the 'c' actual state, and ignores the 'desired' state
12:36<that_guy>is the man page for resolvconf a liar? The line it recommends in /etc/default/resolvconf doesn't actually work
12:36<retrospectacus>SynrG: the ".c" ?
12:36<SynrG>yes
12:36<SynrG>and i don't think what LtL pasted would even work ...
12:37<retrospectacus>didn't output anything for me
12:37<SynrG>because 'c' is not a desired state
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12:38<retrospectacus>still doesn't print the {pre,post}{inst,rm}
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12:51<LtL>I use this to list stuff that can be removed, and it works, 'dpkg --list |grep "^rc" | cut -d " " -f 3' another command deletes them.
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12:52<LtL>packages that have been removed but have left config files
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12:53<ailenciita>hola
12:53<retrospectacus>LtL: awk '/^.c/{print $2}' <(dpkg -l) is more succinct
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12:53<ailenciita>hola???
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12:53<retrospectacus>!es
12:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:54<LtL>retrospectacus: yes it is. im taking notes, thx
12:54<retrospectacus>LtL: then of course, apt-get purge $(awk '/^.c/{print $2}' <(dpkg -l))
12:54<retrospectacus>and eightyeight wanted a list of the files that would remove - replace apt-get purge with dpkg -L
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12:58<stitch_>hey there, I'm looking for help setting up my second monitor
12:59<stitch_>it is mirrored with the first monitor until the login screen appears. after this, I only have image in my first screen
13:00<stitch_>i can't set it up with kde, gnome or Xorg -configure
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13:07<ompaul>stitch_: same video card different video cards kind of output involved xrandr tells you what?
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13:09<eightyeight>i don't mind the two steps to get at the data
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13:09<eightyeight>what's important to me, is the actual data itself
13:09<eightyeight>i'd rather be careful about removing the data, than trying to craft a 1-liner
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13:10<eightyeight>so "aptitude search '~c'" to get the packages. then 'cat /var/lib/dpkg/list/$PKG.list' to view affected files
13:10<eightyeight>works
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13:18<Guest2775>hai pipl
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13:28<rhiamom>Having trouble with wine. Running Wheezy, most recent update. Installed wine, wine-64, and q4wine (but not winetricks) using synaptic. I cannot find the path to the wineserver daemon; nor can the find built in to the file manager gui front end.
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13:29<retrospectacus>rhiamom: I don't know anything about wine (try #winehq on freenode) , but "dpkg -L packagename" will tell you what files that package put on your system
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13:30<DimaKaminski>What is a simple & reliable way to backup my root partition? Thanks.
13:30<retrospectacus>ISTR you run "winecfg" and everything gets set up, then "wine explorer" is a good start
13:30<rhiamom>ah, thank you
13:31<retrospectacus>from 10 years ago when I still thought I needed windows programs
13:31<rhiamom>oops, command not found
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13:31<retrospectacus>DimaKaminski: rsync
13:31<rhiamom>all the wine package installed was the wine shell script
13:32<retrospectacus>!tell DimaKaminski about things to backup
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13:33<DimaKaminski>retrospectacus: thanks! I will take that into account. How about using tar+cron? Or it is less reliable?
13:34<retrospectacus>cron is good for sure. tar doesn't really help anything
13:34<rhiamom>and it looks like all that wine64-bin installed was the binary.
13:35<retrospectacus>DimaKaminski: look into rsync or rsnapshot for scheduled, regular, timestamped backups
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13:35<retrospectacus>DimaKaminski: all tar does is strings your files together into one file
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13:36<retrospectacus>it's sort of easier to deal with, and you can compress it, but not so great for recovering old data file-by-file
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14:15<caritoo>hola
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14:52<dklps2>hi
14:52<SOUL_OF_R00T>hello great guys :)
14:53<retrospectacus>g'day mates
14:53<dklps2>hello
14:53<dklps2>:D
14:53-!-vladuke [~vladuke@178.130.42.7] has joined #debian
14:53<dklps2>where are you from?
14:53-!-steven_ [~steven@dyndsl-091-096-146-212.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #debian
14:53<SOUL_OF_R00T>brazil south america
14:53<dklps2>cool
14:53<dklps2>i am from europe
14:53<retrospectacus>Canada
14:53<retrospectacus>!chat
14:53<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
14:53<SOUL_OF_R00T>i have friend living in europe
14:54<SOUL_OF_R00T>excuse oftopic
14:54<dklps2>cool
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14:54<MoRoSKiT>msg <SOUL_OF_R00T> Yes me
14:55<nisa>I'm from finland
14:55<nisa>Thats in europe
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14:56<SOUL_OF_R00T>it's a great pleasure tc with us thanks a lot !
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15:04<olspookishmagus>could someone pass out the output of:
15:04<olspookishmagus>$ dpkg -S /etc/default/grub
15:04<olspookishmagus>on his debian system?
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15:05<jotasilva>buenas tardes..
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15:06<jotasilva>¿donde puedo conseguir escritorio tipo Mac para cambiar gnome debian 7.1?
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15:07<devil>olspookishmagus: grub is a file
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15:09<olspookishmagus>devil: well thank you, but does it originate from within a package?
15:09<devil>nope
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15:10<devil>not according to dpkf
15:10<devil>and dpkg
15:10<devil>:)
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15:10<olspookishmagus>what's dpkf?
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15:11<olspookishmagus>my apt-file search dpkf gave out nothing [...]
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15:12<vasil>$ dpkg -S /etc/default/grub
15:12<vasil>dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/default/grub
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15:20<rizole>Hi all. WHat's a good channel to hang out on for terminal questions? I'm a terminal noob.
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15:32<jordanm>rizole: terminal or shell scripting?
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15:35<sarge1221>Hello. Can someone tell me if the debian firewall is setup out of the box or if on wheezy it needs to be setup first?
15:36<ompaul>sarge1221: you set it up depending on what you are doing
15:36<ompaul>sarge1221: there is no "one way to install debian" or "one installed debian" so the variables are by the thousand
15:36<sarge1221>basic usage^ not a server or anything just for browsing the internet and doing school stuff.
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15:37<ompaul>sarge1221: how hostile a lan is it on?
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15:37<rizole>jordanm: xfce4-terminal emulator
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15:37<bernat>sarge1221: read about it in the docs in /usr/share/doc/<package name>
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15:38<ompaul>so there you go - it's safe until daddy pulls the plug :)
15:38<sarge1221>sorry my mouse doesn't exactly work great with its current setup. :/
15:38<ompaul>sarge1221: as I said how hostile a lan is it on?
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15:39<darkeee>hi
15:39<darkeee>i installed debian testing on my 901 works fine only mic wont work ;-( ?
15:39<darkeee>any here with a solution to get mic running?
15:39<sarge1221>I just like having a firewall setup. I will be on random public networks so would like to have some protections in place.
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15:39<bernat>darkeee: you should google your problem and read some faqs, that's too generic
15:40<sarge1221>I'm formally a ubuntu user so am not familiar with how debian has the firewall setup if at all. On ubuntu we had to setup the ports manually from scratch.
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15:40<darkeee>bernat: i google already like a hereo ;-(
15:40<ompaul>sarge1221: so do the same - use iptables and block what you think you need blocked or don't run services and you don't need to block stuff
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15:41<sarge1221>ok so debian is the same and has no firewall manually setup on initial startup?
15:41<darkeee>bernat: i pull up every channel on alsamixer etc ...
15:41<bernat>darkeee: then, what have you tried, what does work and what not?
15:41<rostam>HI I have created kickstart via DVD now I like use USB. How could I achieve this please? thx
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15:42<bernat>darkeee: is it a laptop?
15:42<ompaul>sarge1221: correct, that was inferred in my second line :)
15:42<darkeee>bernat: speaker works fine only mic wont do, i need id for skype
15:42<darkeee>bernat: yes a eeepc 901
15:42<sarge1221>ompaul: Thank you. Are you good with troubleshooting sound drivers?
15:42<mtn>darkeee: how are you testing the mic?
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15:43<darkeee>mtn: with the testing service from skype
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15:43<ompaul>sarge1221: ask the channel I tend to say turn on pcm in alsamixer and leave it alone after that
15:43<darkeee>mtn: and i do a command to loop mic on speakers
15:43<bernat>darkeee: skype isn't even Debian software, you could try with the desktop recorder
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15:44<mtn>darkeee: then you don't know if the mic works or not, just skpe doesn't work. I go to pavucontrol or similar and look at the sound levels in input and talk. if they change, the mic works.
15:44<sarge1221>ompaul: well in my case I had little choice but to break my sound. I had to install a custom kernal to fix serious graphic problems. I couldn't even load standard gnome 3 or any other desktop on the first initial install of wheezy.
15:44<darkeee>mtn: pavucontrol ?
15:45<mtn>darkeee: a program that works with pulseaudio
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15:45<darkeee>mtn: hm, i use alsa??
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15:45<mtn>darkeee: what desktop are you using?
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15:45<darkeee>mtn: lxde
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15:46<mtn>darkeee: ok, if no pulse, then try what bernat suggested
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15:47<ompaul>sarge1221: what have you got something with an optimus card?
15:47<darkeee>bernat: i dont know desktop recorder? is it a package?
15:47<Vesuv>ehmhey
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15:47<mtn>darkeee: you can look up packages using aptitude or synaptic
15:47<Vesuv>where you come from
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15:48<darkeee>mtn: yes
15:48<sarge1221>ompaul: Ati radeon HD 3200 graphics.
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15:49<ompaul>sarge1221: is this what you did? https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
15:49<darkeee>mtn: like kazam?
15:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 605] by debhelper
15:50<mtn>darkeee: never heard of it. what I meant was if someone suggests a package, you can look it up
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15:50<darkeee>mtn: aptitude search xy
15:50<sarge1221>ompaul: yeah I did aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree
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15:51<ompaul>sarge1221: the full page - it tells you lots of stuff you can do
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15:51<sarge1221>ompaul: only thing that has fixed my graphic problems and made it possible ot load into other desktops besides fallback mode for gnome.
15:51<rostam>HI where could I get info on creating kickstart via usb? thx
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15:52<ompaul>sarge1221: well if you don't read the page you may miss something about graphics which might make stuff easier to do
15:52<sarge1221>ompaul: Everything works fine except sound.
15:53<Vesuv>no one cares
15:53<ompaul>sarge1221: so did you check if in alsamixer (console) if pcm was muted
15:53<ompaul>Vesuv: have you a debian question?
15:53<sarge1221>ompaul: well it isn't muted
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15:54<Vesuv>no why
15:54<sarge1221>it just shows a dummy output on the sound page and nothign else. not been able ot figure out how to get it to show the rest of the listings.
15:54<Vesuv>where do you come from
15:54<Vesuv>???
15:55<ompaul>Vesuv: that doesn't matter and this is a debian tech support channel not general discussion
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15:55<Vesuv>fuck you
15:56<ompaul>sarge1221: search for this online aplay --list-devices
15:56<ompaul>Vesuv: many many many happy returns
15:56<Vesuv>thank you
15:56<olspookishmagus>Vesuv: I'm from Madagascar
15:56<Vesuv>yeah im from switzerland
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15:57<olspookishmagus>the country that's _NOT_ just mountains (TM)
15:57<sarge1221>ompaul: aplay -l aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found... if that helps.
15:58<ompaul>sarge1221: so you don't have a sound card visible to the o/s for whatever reason - disabled in the bios (I doubt but worth looking at) did you go mad blacklisting modules when you trying to get graphics to work
15:58<Vesuv>your country is only forest
15:58<olspookishmagus>and rapists
15:59<sarge1221>ompaul: to be honest I just installed the kernal and didn't really know what I was doing.
15:59<ompaul>sarge1221: you installed a random kernel?
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15:59<sarge1221>ompaul: i just ran that command and that was all
15:59<olspookishmagus>did you configure that kernel anyhow before compiling it?
16:00<olspookishmagus>as in, did you tamper with the default option of its?
16:00<ompaul>sarge1221: please paste the result of uname -a in channel
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16:01<sarge1221>ompual: 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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16:02<Dalalylama>trololololo
16:02<ompaul>!ops please help Dalalylama troll elsewhere
16:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: please help Dalalylama troll elsewhere
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16:04<sarge1221>ompaul: 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:05<ompaul>sarge1221: I saw, is your hardware very new?
16:05<ompaul>sarge1221: please put lspci into a pastebin
16:05<sarge1221>ompaul: oh goodness no. this computer was bought when I was a freshman in highschool. :(
16:06<ompaul>sarge1221: this one http://paste.debian.net and I have no idea what freshman highschool is ... I'm not from your country and I left school in 1980
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16:07<sarge1221>ompaul: oh well 2005.
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16:08<ompaul>sarge1221: maybe it has finally gone to laptop audio heaven try a live cd on it before you further but paste that thing I asked about first please
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16:08<sarge1221>ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7ad94ef9/
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16:10<ompaul>sarge1221: 2005 and hdmi it was good in it's day - but it should show for aplay so I'm kind of at a loss
16:12<sarge1221>ompaul: yeah audio has always been really hard to figure out on this laptop too. Every version of linux took months of troubleshooting to finally get audio drivers working. ><'
16:13<ompaul>sarge1221: so why change it then ... don't answer that ... it does seem to be a well documented pain to fix
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16:13<ompaul>sarge1221: I'd almost check out the backported kernel to see if it changed anything
16:14<ompaul>!bpo
16:14<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable and oldstable distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
16:14<sarge1221>ompaul: always seemed to work better than ALSA did but I'm betting their is no way to use them still is there?
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16:14<sarge1221>ompaul: OSS*
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16:14<ompaul>sarge1221: it should work with alsa but without physical access I'd be a little slow to say any one thing
16:16<sarge1221>ompaul: I appreciate your help with this problem.
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17:00<gregor_>Steam on Debian?
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17:00<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell gregor_ about steam
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17:01<gregor_>OK!!
17:01<tumulte>Hey !
17:01<tumulte>dpkg: tell tumulte about steam
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17:02<tumulte>ok, thanks
17:02<tumulte>:)
17:02<tumulte>well ! I'm running debian with awesome WM and a nouveau driver (completly free environment)
17:03<tumulte>some menus (like libreoffice) appears without text or broken
17:03<tumulte>I can't screenshot it cause it works on the SS
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17:08<gregor_>i cant find steam
17:08<retrospectacus>gregor_: tell gregor_ about basic apt troubleshooting
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17:09<gregor_>and if i Download it from the steam website it says libc6 (>=2.15)
17:10<gregor_>Does that meen that the version of libc6 is to outdated?
17:11<gregor_>Why do i have to tell myself about apt troubles?
17:11<retrospectacus>oops
17:11<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell gregor_ about basic apt troubleshooting
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17:16<retrospectacus>gregor_: and yes, as dpkg told you, steam is only available on Jessie (testing) which has libc6 2.17 - wheezy has 2.13
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17:17<gregor_>jessie will be next?
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17:21<olspookishmagus>gregor_: yes
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17:27<tumulte>apparently my problem is caused by a disabled acceleration option, how do you tweak nouveau ?
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18:20<tumulte>Hey !
18:21<tumulte>Is there x86_64 kernals in the packages ?
18:21<retrospectacus>yes
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18:22<tumulte>any source.list special conf ?
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18:23<retrospectacus>tumulte: you just need to be running amd64 architecture
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18:24<retrospectacus>actually they should show up even if you're on i386
18:24<tumulte>retrospectacus: I've just found out modern intel CPU could handle 64bits, therefore (because I ve 16Go RAM for video editing purpose) I'd like to switch to a 86_64 kernal
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18:24<tumulte>I only find pae and amd64
18:24<retrospectacus>"apt-cache search linux-image"
18:24<retrospectacus>tumulte: yes, amd64 is what you want
18:24<tumulte>retrospectacus: ah !
18:24<tumulte>even on a intel ?
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18:24<retrospectacus>the "amd" is only in the name for historical reasons
18:25<retrospectacus>yes
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18:25<tumulte>retrospectacus: ah cool ! Understand it's not obvious ;-)
18:25<tumulte>I'd rather ask !
18:26<retrospectacus>I can't say how well it will go, switching a 32-bit system to running a 64bit kernel...
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18:27<tumulte>retrospectacus: I'll reinstall it all
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18:27<tumulte>good point
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19:28<rhiamom>Need help with wine on Wheezy. I installed wine64, then followed the instructions on the popoup message and installed multiarch and the 32 bit version of wine (which seemed to remove the 64 bit version). Wine thinks it is installed, but there is no wineserver daemon.
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19:49<rasha>hello
19:49<rasha>what topic today
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19:50<rhiamom>Need help with wine on Wheezy. I installed wine64, then followed the instructions on the popoup message and installed multiarch and the 32 bit version of wine (which seemed to remove the 64 bit version). Wine thinks it is installed, but there is no wineserver daemon.
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20:27<atmosphere>hello
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20:28<atmosphere>was hoping I could get some help
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20:30<atmosphere>Removing gnome from old-stable broke stuff
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23:15<Roach>hi i am having problems with debian wheezy
23:15<Roach>can anyone help me?
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23:16<LtL>Roach: you need to be specific
23:17<Roach>LtL : okay so I don't know what I did but until I rebooted, I could have a login page no problem
23:17<Roach>now, I don't know what I did but at some point during boot, it asks for a login and password
23:18<SamB>Roach: that sounds like the normal boot to me
23:18*SamB doesn't use a *dm
23:18<Roach>so i imput my infos and then do startx to reach the desktop but most of the setting I had such as shell-themes are gone
23:19<retrospectacus>Roach: what did you do?
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23:19<Roach>I tried to clean things with bleach bit and it seems I screwed something up
23:21<Roach>i never made a backup and before I played with bleachbit today, I could access the login page at bootup but now it just asks me to login in terminal and I have to startx manually
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23:22<Roach>and my settings like the gnome-shell theme, shell extensions and such are just gone
23:22<Roach>i can still access my files no problem
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23:23<Roach>and I can run them
23:23-!-deepy_ [~deepy@c83-248-186-255.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:23<Roach>so can anyone help me in reverting whatever damage i did?
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23:25<SamB>Roach: did you make a backup?
23:25<Roach>no i didnt
23:25<LtL>Roach: unless you can find a log of what happened, youre going to have to figure out what happened the hard way.
23:25<Roach>i am still noobish on linux and especially debian
23:26<Roach>i dont know how to
23:26<retrospectacus>does bleachbit keep a log of what it did?
23:27<Roach>maybe it screwed something in bash
23:27<Roach>or in apt
23:28<LtL>Roach: look in the docs for bleachbit for starters
23:28<Roach>hwo?
23:28<Roach>how*
23:28<LtL>Roach: never used it, couldn't say
23:28<Roach>it doesnt seem to keep a log of it's activities
23:29<SamB>Roach: start with, say, /usr/share/doc/bleachbit ?
23:29<LtL>Roach: im curious, why did you run it?
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23:29<Roach>when I was using linux mint, it harmlessly deleted the cache history and whatever I had in trash safelt
23:29<Roach>safely*
23:31<Roach>there is a changelog.Debian.gz but somehow my archive manager is gone
23:31<Roach>so i can't open it
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23:32<SamB>sounds like you should have tried something like "bleachbit --dry-run" if possible ...
23:32<retrospectacus>Roach: are you sure you didn't do something else to cause all that... it doesn't sound like something bleachbit would do
23:33<Roach>well bleachbit is the only thing I did run with the system today and the problem started today
23:33<Roach>for example, right now I am redownloading fileroller because it's gone
23:34<retrospectacus>well does bleachbit run as root? presumably not, how would it delete fileroller?
23:34<Roach>bleacbit can run as root and i did run it so
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23:35<Roach>seems like I will have to reinstall a few things...
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23:36<Roach>i thought it was odd too that gnash wasnt on the pc prior to reboot
23:37<retrospectacus>read /var/log/dpkg.log - it should tell you what was removed
23:37<retrospectacus>presuming it was removed using the correct methods (dpkg, apt)
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23:42<Roach>when I tried to open what was suggested, the pc froze because it tried to open it in notepad in WINE
23:43<Roach>i am pretty sure bleachbit messed with the desktop manager
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23:43<Roach>maybe if I reinstalled it, it would help? what is the default desktop manager coming with wheezy?
23:44<lamb>Gnome 3 unfortunately
23:44<Roach>huh?
23:44<Roach>well that's what I had no?
23:45<Roach>lamb
23:45<lamb>Apparently so? I wasn't reading all of the above
23:45<Roach>huh... according to synaptic gnome is considered uninstalled
23:45<retrospectacus>Roach: you should be aware of the Display manager you were using
23:45<lamb>....wha? o.o
23:46<Roach>lamb : gnome-shell is there and shows installed but not gnome
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23:46<brauncarolina>hola
23:46<retrospectacus>Roach: and opening a log for reading with an editor is insane on its own, never mind using "wine notepad"... use less
23:46<Roach>retrospectacus : as I said I am a newbie in linux and I am trying to understand
23:46<Roach>lamb : should I try to reinstall gnome?
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23:48<Roach>it shows that if I reinstall gnome, the gnome-shell-entensions part is checked too for installation and I am missing quite of my extensions
23:48<Roach>so maybe it will help
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23:49*Roach keeps his fingers crossed
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23:50<Roach>maybe that is the problem. bleachbit nuked gnome somehow
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23:54<Roach>thanks for your help by the way
23:57<SamB>retrospectacus: it sounds like bleachbit flipped out and uninstalled a bunch of stuff, so I'm guessing that wine notepad was just the highest priority thing left with XDG registrations for opening log (text?) files
23:57<Roach>it was
23:58<Roach>that was the only text viewer
23:59<Roach>there, it's install
23:59<Roach>i'll reboot and let you know
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